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Oh. And I, I, And how old are your girls? They're eleven and eight and I gave in at Christmas Oh, yeah. and they have, they keep their cages real clean. It always smells of cedar and they just sleep and eat bits of apple and carrots and, Sure. I think they're cutting us off. No, that's Oh. somebody's trying to cut in on my line and I don't want to answer. Oh, okay. I'll just wait. Okay. No,
I've, I've got incoming calls and I don't know why, calling. Oh, okay. I, I hate to cut it off, I think they would cut us off, I understand. so we'll just wait. Okay, well Whoever it is will call back. they'll cut us off pretty soon. Well, it's somebody calling for my kids, you know, jeez. Yeah, I know. Actually, it's my son, I know it is. My older boy. He never likes to come home from school. Anyway that's what we have, and I have, I've tried to start a fish tank
How does, and I keep losing all my fish. In the salt water? Salt water or, No Yeah. just regular water. Yeah, they just raised our taxes up here about a year ago. Well, they've, uh, statewide raises, they raise ours it seems like constantly. We just, uh, passed a new one, uh, fortunately or unfortunately it doesn't go into effect because we did not get the United Airlines. Oh, right Indianapolis got that, didn't they? Right. And, uh, we had passed a, a provisional one that if, if it did, if they did locate here we would raise our taxes. But, uh, at least we thought we'd get something back from that. Yeah. Uh, how do you feel about taxes?
Well, it seems like a big politics game like up here, last year, the governor was up for re-election so he said the budget was fine, the state didn't have any money and then right after he won the election he said we owed a lot of money so they raised all our taxes. And now it's election time again so they're trying to lower them. Oh. So they're just talk about lowering them but they never do, they just keep raising them. I've never seen taxes really go down. Yeah, me neither. Well, actually they're going to here because they didn't have a budget for so long so they raised the tax rate real high for the last three months of this year and they're going to lower it for next year. Oh. I guess they figure they're going to make up for all they didn't get when they should have had a budget.
I hope they put that in writing Yeah, yeah, they say they're going to lower, but I'll see. I feel like the middle class people are supporting the nation and, uh, that the rich are not paying their share and of course the poor can't afford it either, but, uh, I really feel like and, and I feel like, you know, I'm a middle class person income wise anyway and, uh, I get tired of supporting the whole country. Yeah, so do I. I mean, I'm a, a middle class barely, but, uh, I don't think the rich are paying less, not enough, I think they're paying too much. You think the rich are paying too much? Yeah, I mean if you're in the, the three, three percent bracket and they take a third of your check every month, well, that's ridiculous. Why bother working?
Well, I don't know many rich that don't have enough tax breaks to, I mean, I'm talking about the really rich. Well, they should just tax everybody the same amount no matter what you make. Right. That would be fair. Now I'll go along with that. You know, Yeah no loopholes or anything. Everybody pays ten percent or fifteen or whatever. Right. Now, I think that would be fair. Right. And I, you know, no, no ifs, ands and buts, you know, no big elaborate laws that say, uh, you know, call for a lot of enforcement or a lot of review. It's just, you know, you make this, you pay ten percent. If you make a hundred dollars, you pay ten percent, if you make a million dollars, you pay ten percent. Yeah, that's the way our state tax is here.
I think it's pretty fair. Our state taxes are somewhat based on the federal. Uh-huh. And, uh, they have not gotten it where the withholding is accurate. Oh So, and, and you withhold no matter what you do, they withhold what they're supposed to and at the end of the year it's not enough. Oh, great, so you ought to be saving up some every month to make up for all what they should be taking out. Right, so now, you know, when you sign your W-Four form or whatever, W-Two whatever that is, then they always say, do you want a extra amount for state. Which is ridiculous, Uh-huh. but it's been that way for the last probably ten years. Yeah, I guess you have to check yes or you come down to the end of the year and you don't have it to give it to them. Right, unless you have a lot of deductions. Yeah.
But, you know, if you have a lot of federal deduction, it ends up hurting you state wise. Really? And you end up owing, you know, you may get nine hundred dollars back from federal and you're going to owe fifteen hundred in state. Ouch And, uh, it's, it's just ridiculous. But, I, I don't know. I've, they just came up with a twenty-five percent increase on personal property in, in Oklahoma county and that is a chunk. Yeah, I'll say I mean twenty-five percent increase. is, Uh, I guess, uh, I've always been kind of interested in, in, space and stuff. I've, read a lot of the, the, uh, astronomy books and, and stuff like that. Uh, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Have you been following the, uh, the progress of the space health code ? Uh, to a degree. I haven't kept up as, uh, much as I would like, Uh-huh. I've just been so busy, uh, Uh-huh. I barely get a chance to read a newspaper now and then, so. Yeah. I think it's pretty exciting that they can, uh, it would be interesting to see if they can find, uh, other planets that are, that will be more habitable to, uh, you know, uh, humans and, uh, yeah, I think I would be very interested in space travel in the future if, uh, if it, you know, if it is at all possible. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't even mind, uh, being a pilot on one, or right now but I'm probably getting a little too old for that. Well, I know if they make the advances that they have been making, that, uh, maybe age will no longer, age or even physical, uh, abilities may not be, uh, a barrier anymore. Right. Yeah.
Well, they, they just made leaps and jumps. I think a lot of our, our technology we have is, is quite a bit due to lot of the space travel, uh, uh, equipment and stuff that, Yeah, I agree. Uh, as a matter of fact we're the ones that I have been to Houston to, to, you know, to visit the, uh, space center out there, and, uh, one of the big advances that we use every day now is Velcro Uh-huh. and, uh, that vacuum , uh, little space program was one of the big, you know, backers of that. Yeah. It's amazing, you know, you, it's hard to imagine what life was like without it now. Yeah. I don't know if you ever watch Gallagher , you know, he's one of the comedians and and, you know, he, he talks a lot on, on Velcro. Uh-huh, yeah, I've seen him before. what would we do without it?
Yeah. we were talking about that just the other day. What did we do without it back then? Yeah. I guess there was a lot of buttons and a lot of zippers and snaps. Yeah. Yeah, there's, there's a lot of, a lot of little things that have come up . I know maybe some of the big things that, uh, uh, concentrated foods for one maybe I Uh, I don't know That's right. That's right. it's also just I've, I've often pictured, uh, in my mind, you know, what it would be like to just, what would you find if you just kept on going, kept on going? Uh-huh. That's true. Uh, I guess our minds are so, uh, uh, what is it? Uh, finite Uh-huh. when we try and picture the universe as an infinite object, and it's hard to, to see, you know. Uh-huh.
Yeah. I always thought well, what do you do hit a brick wall, eventually. It's hard to consider that something could go on indefinitely. Yeah, that, that is, uh, that is something that would be hard to think about. I agree. You know like you say we're used to finite things and something that is infinite and just incomprehensible. Yeah. But, But, uh, yeah, I would like to see them, uh, do more in that area to make space travel more, uh, something that the ordinary person can, uh, enjoy. Yeah. I know it's I think it's in people's nature to be the first to do something. Uh-huh. And I, I'd love to be the first one to step on a planet or some like, you know, Yeah. Yeah, me too. I wouldn't even mind being not so much being first but just, uh, get out there and, and just explore.
Yeah. I think, uh, it's in everyone's nature to some degree to want to get out and explore something they haven't, or experience something, you know, indifferent. Huh. I think that's what made us, uh, progress to the state we are is our curiosity. Oh, sure. Sure. Of course. That's true. There must be some better better way of doing this. A better place to be or whatever, you know it's, Uh-huh. So you, you are always looking for something better. Yeah, that's true. I know at work, uh, people always complain to me I, well, you are always whining and, it's, I'm always looking for something better. Uh, Yeah There's a better way of doing it than what we are doing it.
That's right. That's right. And if you are just content with being, you know, with the way things are then, you know, then you must lead, lead a pretty dull life. Yeah. Because if Well, they are always finding easier ways and, you know, just because they don't talk about it or something like that. Uh-huh. And they are doing it you know, unconsciously. Yeah, I guess, uh, you don't really think about it too much. I guess you are always finding newer ways and better ways of doing stuff but it, it's in a subconscious, you know, thing. You know, somewhere they can sit down and write down what, you know, things that you've improved upon, you probably wouldn't have a pretty good list. Uh-huh. But you just don't think about them. Right. And that's true.
I think, uh, you know, we've gotten different programs at work, you know, to, to, uh, make it visible to management that we are doing things better, So how many, um, credit cards do you have? Um, I think I'm down to one. Oh, my gosh, I wish I was that way. Is that why you said I had more experience than you? Well, no. I was pulling your leg. Oh. Well, how, how do you use your credit card? I mean, do you just keep it in reserve, or. I, I, well, the way I'd like to try and use it is, um, you, you, you make your purchases at, at prime buying time Uh-huh. and then you pay that off and don't use it until, uh, it's paid off. Uh-huh. That's, that's my ideal way Uh-huh.
How, how do you use it? Emergencies come along, and I and I use it. Yeah that's understandable, exactly. Uh, like, uh, my car, uh, had a major problem, and seven hundred dollars, Uh-huh. and uh, things just come up Right, right. and you just never get to use it the way you'd really like to. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Well, actually I do have quite a few more credit cards than you have Um, and I use them, you know, like my American Express I use for, you know, gas, things like that, and I pay that off monthly, and then, um, some other credit cards, like store credit cards, you know, I do have them up there a little bit, but, uh. Uh-huh.
I try not to use them too often. But living in this area, uh, like I live fifteen miles west of Washington, D C Um. it's a very expensive area Yeah. So, sometimes you have no other choice if you need to buy something. Yeah. Well, I, I know I was up in there and a lot of credit cards, and I was just starting to get to where it was getting me in trouble Right. so we just disposed of them, paid them off, and got out of it. Uh-huh. I just. Uh-huh, well that was good that you had the opportunity to do that. Yeah. Uh-huh. Now are you married, that you both, you and your wife use a credit card, or? Yeah,
yeah. Uh-huh. Well, now we pretty much just pay cash for as much as we can there. Uh-huh. Um. Uh-huh. Our, our only credit card is Sears, so and I have that for automotive purposes. Uh-huh, um. Right, right. Well, well that's great. Um, everyone I know here uses, um, credit cards like they're going out of business to be honest with you. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's just too easy, basically, uh, just get yourself in trouble with those. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the only other one I have, I have like a Diner's Club through my, um, where I work
I see. so that I use, because I travel some. So I use that, and I don't really have to worry about that, because I only use it for business, so I automatically have the money to pay it off. Yeah. But. Um. Uh, I wouldn't mind, uh, you know, getting back into one if they would, you know, you start out at a low limit, and then they just keep wanting you to increase your limit Uh-huh. and, and if I can get one that'll keep my limit at five hundred and I can never go over that or something like that, then that's fine, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but they eventually gets up there to five thousand, ten thousand, whatever fifty thousand Uh-huh. Yeah. forget it, I don't want that.
Um, the temptation's too great. Yeah. Um. So, I don't know, just, uh, writing checks is just as easy I guess. Yeah, that's true, that's true, but. So, I guess, uh, we've kind of exhausted this, uh, topic Yeah, well, really, what, what can you. Yeah, you can't say too much about it really. Other than, you use them or you don't use them. You like them or you don't like them. So. Uh-huh.
I guess, uh, they don't care if we end it early. So, uh, hopefully, uh, you have a good Thanksgiving. That's coming up, and. And, then, uh, maybe we'll talk again. Okay, you, too. Yeah, may be, you're the furthest person, actually, that I've talked. I've talked to a lot of people in Texas. Yeah. Yeah. Texas is the big one. Yeah, so. Okay, then. Well, bye now. okay, bye-bye. So, how do you feel about capital punishment?
Well, I, I'm not really certain how I, uh, I'm not certain that, that it does a lot of good. I mean, that it ends up, ends up effectively, uh, uh, uh, avoiding a lot of the crimes that have capital punishment penalties. Right, you don't think, Yet, on the other hand, uh, I don't know, I mean, there is things that seems like it's, it's, it's the right thing to do. Now, you know, I mean somebody, a serial killer or somebody goes in and machine guns, you know, fifty, fifty children in a school yard, you kind of, I don't know. What about yourself? I, uh, I have the same dilemma, I think. Uh, it's, you know, it seems right sometimes and then other times, you don't know. Uh-huh. Uh, I mean, people, like, I, it's been, I mean, like the Arab societies and stuff end up, uh, having effective, effective punishments and, and they're extremely severe.
Uh, I, you know, I think to a certain degree, the reason that it, it doesn't serve as a deterrent, uh, may be because you never know if it's going to be applied. Right, unlike, uh, like in, in Arab societies. If you get, get caught stealing, they chop off your hand and and you walk around the rest of your life with one hand Right. and everybody knows exactly what, what for. Right. Uh, and, you know, and here, with our court system and, and ways of sort of screwing it around and stuff you can, you can kind of always count on the fact, or, or there is a good chance you're going to get off. Uh-huh. And also, it doesn't seem like it does that many harm, I mean, sure, their life is taken, but they'd spend the rest of their life in jail anyway, so I think sometimes they'd prefer just to get it over with so it's more of the easy way out than making them pay for the for the you know, what they've done. some people, Yeah. Except that, I mean, the, the average cost to to society of having somebody in jail for all their life is, is extremely high. I mean, something, I, I was amazed at. Uh, uh, per year, it's something like twenty thousand dollars per inmate per year. To keep people in jail. Yeah. Uh, you know, and it's sort of a sort of a crass perspective on the usage of capital punishment,
Uh-huh. but on the other hand, uh, uh, you know, I don't, I don't know if it's that is, that is that serious that they're really never going to be out of jail, uh ... Right, but then again, also, you can't bring back lives that have been taken anyway, so uh, it's, Uh-huh it doesn't, it seems by, that by, I don't know, doesn't ever really, uh ... Oh, I know, I mean, you can't, it doesn't, Taking , taking one more life doesn't, doesn't, doesn't get things back the way they were, right. Yeah. Right. It doesn't bring back every, Yeah, I don't know, I, I don't, I really don't know, uh, What state are you in? I'm in Texas.
Oh, really? In Dallas? No, I'm in Austin. Oh, really? Where, where are you calling from? Uh, right now I'm in Utah, but I'm from Plano, Texas. Oh, I see, uh-huh. So, uh, uh, what are the laws like in Texas? It's, Texas is, has, is one of the, one of the well, I guess there is more and more states that are, that are going back to capital punishment. Uh, Texas has had it for a while. It's one of the quickest, it, it, once it was, it was reallowed, I think it was outlawed for a while, but, uh, by the supreme court, I mean, or, the interpretation of the constitution and it seems like everybody stopped and then, and then once they sort of reallowed it, Texas was one of the first to, uh, to actually, uh, implement it again.
Oh, really? They do it by, uh, by, do it by lethal injection. Uh-huh. Uh, I'm originally from Kansas and in Kansas also, uh, they, they almost immediately put back capital punishment and, uh, there they do it by hanging. Wow. Still, uh, they have, I still remember the, the, the movie, uh, IN COLD BLOOD. I don't know if you've ever, I'm sure you're familiar with it, but, have you seen the movie? I haven't, no. Yeah. That way. And they do it that way? Yeah, well, they, they show it, not, not,
I mean, the, the movie was made in, like, nineteen sixty-two or something like that Huh. and so it's, uh, it's not particularly graphic, but on the other hand it's, it's fairly impressive to watch them, you know, walk into the room with gallows. It's kind of a barn like structure. Wow. I think they're there, I think that capital punishment is, is, uh, in in Utah also. I'm not really familiar. Is that right? Are you there in school? Yeah, I am. Yeah. So, but I think they a long time ago, I, I remember my dad was telling me this, I think, that, uh, they do it by, like, a bunch of men have guns and one of them has the real gun in it. Uh-huh, has, has a, yeah.
So they don't know who killed, Has a real bullets and the rest of them have blanks? Right. Yeah, I, I certainly wouldn't want to be the executioner, I know that Yeah, no. I've always said that if I, if I had to kill and clean and do my own, my own meat, I think I'd become a vegetarian. I know. As long as you're sort of safely removed from it, it seems, seems not so, so bad, I guess. Okay. All right. Go ahead. Well, what kind of car would I want to buy. Yeah. I don't know. The question is, I mean, would I want to buy, or would I, would I probably actually buy.
May be two different things. Oh, well, if you, if you had all your, all the money in the world or something. If I had all the money I wanted, then that's whole different matter. No, in that case, I'd, I'd, I don't know. I, I, my dream car for years was a, was a Porsche Turbo . Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But, uh, I don't know if I'd want one of those now. Oh, really? Of course I would want one if somebody was was given to me. Yeah. But I maybe would buy a B M W. Uh, or, or even a Volvo. Uh-huh. What do you have now? I've got a, uh, a Dodge Daytona. Uh-huh. It's actually the first car we ever bought new. Oh, really. Yeah,
we just, we, well, I have my car is the first one we ever bought new, too. Uh-huh. But we just bought another used car, a couple weeks ago, actually. Uh-huh, yeah me too So what car do you drive? What is it? Uh, mine is a Honda Accord. Uh-huh, we almost bought one of those. Do you like it? Yeah, I do, and, and, um, it's funny because, after I bought it, I was doing a lot of business traveling, and I, some of the cars that I got were like the Toyota Camry and the Nissan Maxima and some of the competitors Uh-huh. and, um, I don't like them as well except, it wasn't really a fair comparison because those were automatics,
and mine is a standard Yeah. and the reason I got a standard was because I thought it handled a lot better Uh-huh. it had a lot more pickup and everything. Yeah, you get a little more control over when when it's doing the things it's doing. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, what, what rental agent did you go to to actually rent to rent those kind of cars. Um usually AVIS. To what, AVIS? AVIS. Really. Yeah. Huh. I guess, It's just because we're on, I think of it,
I'm not sure those are AVIS or not, but we have corporate contracts you know, with the various companies I see. Uh-huh. so it depends on your destination, too. Right. Kind of strange You work for a big company, then. Work for T I. Uh-huh, which is how I heard about this T I, I see. Uh-huh. Um, but yeah, I, I, uh, I don't know, I would probably, if I were to buy a car you know, with the constraints of real money I probably would, would go with something like, you know, like a Honda Accord. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Maybe it would, one thing I, I really liked about, about the Dodge Daytona is the fact that they have, uh, this seven year warranty. Oh, really. Um, and it really saved us some big money once.
It did, huh. Yeah, they had a whole bunch of things that, that sort of broke at the same time Oh, my gosh. and the bill would have been over fifteen hundred dollars, and I had to pay twenty five for the, Oh, that was great. Yeah, it was. That's unusual to hear, usually, you know something breaks, you look at the warranty and it's excluded. Well, we, we bought the extended, the the extension and, uh, at the time we bought it it was like, you know, I don't know, four hundred and twenty-five dollars or something extra. Oh, I see, okay. Oh, you got your money's worth. Yeah, we did, but, you know, we really debated at the beginning,
and of course I'm glad I did it. Yeah. Yeah, that is good. But, um, we still have, we still have like, you know, three years left on it. Yeah, well, I've been lucky. Mine hasn't had any trouble except last week a shopping cart crashed into it Oh, no. but I was real lucky because it just hit the, um the lens to the light. Bumper? Oh. It didn't actually dent the car or anything. So it cost me twenty-five bucks to replace that, Well, that was good. and the store will pay for it anyway, Are you. so. No big deal. Uh-huh. Um, if you were, if you were going to, uh, buy a new car would you buy another, uh, another Accord?
Um, I probably wouldn't, just because I already have one Uh-huh. but, you know, if I had to make the choice again, I, yeah, I, I'm perfectly happy with what I decided um, although we did just buy another car, Uh-huh. and that's a Legend Oh, yeah, those are nice . um, but it's, it's a used one Uh-huh. and, um, my husband has really wanted one for a long time, and the fact that, you know, this this car that I have has performed so well, and before that I also had an Accord, it was a real old one Uh-huh. and, uh, I bought that used. I had absolutely no money to my name and bought that, and it served me real well, too. Uh-huh. So he's been impressed with all the Honda cars. Right.
And. Yeah, my sister drives one. She drives a, uh, I don't know, is it Legend Uh-huh. it's a, I'm not certain, but she's liked it. Um, Yeah. But, I, I have, I have never had, and we, in fact, what I'm driving right now, we bought a, we only had one car for a long time, and and yet most of our usage of the car was just this little shuttle back and forth, four miles to work and back kind of thing. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And so, uh, I bought a used Yugo just to be a little, you know, little car that I could care less about Uh-huh. Yeah. How did it go for you?
Oh, well, it's, uh, it's worked. Hasn't left you stranded. I mean, that's exactly what it is, you know, it's just a, it's a cheap little little car just to go, you know, run around town in Yeah I know. Yeah. and, uh. It's actually kind of fun to drive. I, I, you know, getting back in the Daytona now, I almost don't like it. You know Really. it's like too, too mushy, and it, you know it's an automatic, Huh. and Well, that's what my husband thinks about my car now, that he's had the Legend it's too, the steering it's windy. you know, you feel like you're in a boat or something, you know,
it's kind of, I can't drive that, the Legend, it's just so huge. Oh. I, I don't like it, and it's so, uh, So, uh, what kind of home repair work have you done? Well, um, done a little, uh, repair on the, uh, shingles on the roof recently. We've had a lot of wind around here. Been pulling them up, huh, or just loosening them until the rain came in? Yes. It looks like I'm going to have to get up there again, because we may have a leak. Are you in the section of Texas that's been getting so much rain? We've been getting quite a bit, maybe not quite as bad as some of the folks down around San Antonio, but, uh, well, I'm right, Plano's just north of Dallas Oh, okay. and there are parts of downtown or near downtown Dallas that are under water right now, I guess, I saw on the news. Yeah.
But you're probably, what, about halfway across the state from San Antonio, though, aren't you? Well, we're up, uh, we're north and, uh, oh, about, uh, I don't know, uh, eighty to a hundred miles south of the Oklahoma line, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, okay. But you're still getting a good bit of the rain, though. Uh, we did have a little bit of rain yesterday. So far we haven't had any today. And, uh, I suppose that means I should be, uh, getting up there to look at that, uh, shingle, but, uh I had something else planned today, Yeah. so I guess I'll let it go awhile. Yeah. Is it asphalt shingles, or, or . They're, uh, no, they're, uh, wood shake. Ooh, that should be a lot of fun.
Yeah Did you put them up originally or just going up and stopping leaks in them? No, I, uh, as a matter of fact, we've never had a leak actually yet. Now this, we just bought the house last year, and, uh, uh, just before we took possession of it we had a fellow go up there and do whatever needed to be done on the shingles. So, I've just recently had to start looking at it myself. Yeah. So, it's a small problem so far, but I guess you just have to keep on top of it. What kind of roof do you have? Uh, we're in, uh, campus apartment buildings with flat top, uh. Oh, then you don't have to do too much with it Not too much. They're just tar and gravel treated flat top roofs. Uh-huh. Have you got pretty well pitch on that roof, or is it pretty steep? Oh, it's pretty steep.
Uh, parts of it are steeper than others. What do you use to keep from sliding off that rascal? Well, uh, you wear, uh, shoes with good traction, and, and, and try to remember where you are at all times Yeah, I imagine, I imagine. And remember to yell Geronimo, if all else fails. Yeah, yeah, that would be just too much of a fall for me. Um, have you been, uh, was, was the house reasonably new, or you been doing some remodeling work on it. It's actually just twelve years old, now. That's pretty new house yet. Yeah, it, uh, this part of the country, actually, they say that when the house is, uh, fifteen, it's already old, but just take good care of it. Yeah.
Thing is, we've, uh, the main thing that we've had with this house recently has been some, uh, squirming, I call it, of the foundation. We're just on a concrete slab, you know Yeah. but, uh, the soil right under this is a clay, and it, uh, It's settling unevenly? Well, it, uh, depending on its moisture content, it either swells up or shrinks, and, uh of course the soil right under the slab retains its moisture a lot longer Yeah. Uh-huh. and so during the dry season you have to water the foundation to keep your foundation from, uh, from, uh, drooping Uh-huh. and, uh, but anytime there's a change in the weather, like the temperature, drastic changes in temperature or in, uh, moisture, uh, you get little spider web cracks all around, uh, windows and doors. Well, that sounds like a lot of fun. Well, usually what you do is just wait until you think it's stopped, and then you patch them up Um. What is it like, uh, stucco walls or, Uh, well, this is all, uh, it's all drywall Oh, drywall.
uh, I think, with, uh Wood framing? yeah, right. Okay. But, uh, somehow or other that does manage to, uh, show these little cracks. I don't know quite how that works. Maybe it isn't drywall. I don't really know. they plastered over drywall. Yeah, I think it is. I remember my parents home is drywalled and then they, uh, almost like a small grade stucco type plastering over the drywall to give it a textured sort of a look, I expect that's what it is, yeah. and made for kind of a hard shell on the, on the drywall. Yeah, I think that's the way this is done. Fortunately we haven't had any real big holes in it yet so I,
Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Yeah, that would, that would be in terribly, terribly exasperating to have the, the slab floor like that swelling and giving like that. Yes, well, the previous owner had a major problem with it, because, uh, oh probably a variety of things. His neighbor used, return anything. Well, really, the only things that I have returned have not been faulty, it's been because of the size or some problem like that. Right. I really haven't had to return things because they didn't perform the way they were supposed to. Most the time they have a pretty good guarantee, yeah. The only thing I've had lately is, uh, my kids got all these Barbie kind of toys for, uh, Christmas and, uh, it takes them less than a day and they're broken in one way or another. But I don't know if that's just kids, or if that's, uh, maybe those type of products should be for older kids
Uh-huh. What age are your children? I have a five and a half and a three and a half year old that play with them Uh-huh And, uh, I don't think they're unduly rough, but maybe they are. I don't know. But, uh, a lot of the little Barbie sets they come with real little pieces and they're easily lost and easily broken but, Uh-huh. Well, my daughter is twenty-one now, so it's been a while since we've had Barbie things It's been a while since they've, uh, gone through the Barbie stuff . But we did have Barbies, we did have Barbies and things, and there seems to me that that became a craze when she was already, oh, like, you know, third, fourth, fifth grade. Right. So she wasn't in it for very long before she was out of it, but, uh, I don't remember her breaking a lot of stuff.
Don't remember her breaking, uh, No, I don't. But I also don't remember lots of little pieces They've got so many different things with it now. Well, that's one thing they've got. They've got every type of imaginable, camping on the beach, and all of these come with, oh, like tiny, tiny little plates and little sunglasses. And, uh Goodness. my three and a half year old has wanted this Ken doll, and so I finally got her a Ken doll, and, uh, less than a week later the arm was broken. Oh, dear. But they were real good about replacing it. That's one nice thing, is they're real good about replacing it. Well, uh, I guess if they'll replace them, then they assume they shouldn't have broken. Right. Well, the, the, you know, those little arms are supposed to twist almost any way and
Any direction. she's not that strong, that I would she's not that big of a girl that I think could really take a grip on it like a bigger kid could, you know. Uh-huh. Right. Yeah. The main thing that they've, they had when my daughter was playing with Barbies was just clothes. Yes. You know, that was about it. That was about it. Uh-huh. And the Barbie doll itself is usually pretty durable and that kind of stuff but, And the main thing my kids seem to be into nowadays are electronics. My, my children are twenty-one and twenty-five and twenty-eight. Oh, is that right? Uh-huh and, Well, do you see that there's a big problem with electronic things? No, not really.
We, uh, haven't had that much, you know, problem with things that we have bought. They seem to, to last. In fact, when they offer us extended warranties, we, we don't buy them because we've, Don't buy them because you don't need them. Yes. And, uh, it seems like it's just a, an added tack on. Plus a lot of the credit cards now, you know, will guarantee, if you purchase on your credit card you know, then they put an extended warranty on it if it doesn't work or if you have a problem with it in a certain period of time, Oh, yeah. . so it seems like it's a waste of money. Yes. Well, you almost assume if you're going to have problems with it, it's usually before that warranty would expire any, the first one. Uh-huh. And like I've even bought, on a recliner once I bought, you know, a, a, an extended warranty for cleaning and stuff like that, and I never used it. You never even needed it. And so it seems ridiculous. And like washers and dryers and things like that, I've never had one go out.
In fact, they usually, when they do go out, it's either something my husband can buy the part and fix and we don't even have a repairman come, or it means it's old enough that it's time to replace the whole thing. It's time to replace it. Uh-huh. Yes. So, I mean, I think these extended warranties are gimmicks, really. I do too. A lot of it. We bought, when we first married, we bought one on our T V and that there's, it was a five year, after the first five years, and it was ridiculous. Uh-huh. And they charge you a pretty good price for them too. Yes. They're a pretty healthy price, and you're trying to think oh, maybe I'll need this.
You never, you always think gosh, if I say no, then I won't, you know. Uh-huh. But, Well, my husband finally just put his foot down I don't know. and he said we're not going to buy any of these anymore, and if it goes out, well you know. You probably got your worth out of it anyway. Uh-huh, and, uh, so we really have been fairly happy with things, but now we take good care of things and we don't, uh, run out and buy a lot of, of things either. And since our kids aren't little anymore, I'm not buying a lot of those little things that can get broken. Yes, the little, well, you probably are real careful of the brands you buy and the, when you do buy things, you probably watch what kind of, type of . Well, you look at the consumer guide. Yes. And, uh, you go around
and you look at the different ones and find the ones that have the, So, uh, what do you think about child care Oh, well, my, my feelings on it is, uh, I wouldn't take a child to day-care You know? Right. I mean, I'd, I'd wind up, uh, just a baby-sitter in a home. Probably find someone, how come you wouldn't take them to a day-care? Uh, Just because of the, Well, too many kids and, and I think too many infections and things coming in. Yeah, they seem to pass a lot of, Yeah, sicknesses and I don't know, then all the things you hear about them. Yeah, you kind of wonder whether or not, Yeah,
I mean I'm sure there's some good ones, but I just, I don't think that I would, uh, I took, uh, Cammy to a oh, it was a preschool day-care type of thing. Oh, uh-huh. But I kind of, I liked it some ways and some ways I didn't Uh, I think the ratio of kids to teacher is really important. Oh, yeah, yeah. And, How was it? Well, I think they had a, they had two teachers and I think there were twenty kids, but I only had her going two days and most of the other kids were going more days so that was probably my own fault that she didn't, Oh. She went,
Oh, you know, one thing I noticed is, uh, uh, just, they were trying to get her to, teach her to write her name, and, uh, I didn't notice it until this summer when I was working with her that she would bend her wrist all the way, oh, not in a natural form. Oh, she did? Yes, and, uh, I was kind of mad that they had never noticed that and, either pointed it out to me or, or, uh tried to say, look, you're holding your, she was holding her pencil in the right fingers and stuff. but she was, Wrapping her arm all the way around. Yes. Yeah. And, uh, I hadn't worked with her on writing at all at that point. She was four, or three, yeah, she was, uh, it was last year and, uh, then this summer I got the thing from the school that says things to work with the kids on and I like I said, I didn't notice it till then. Because I hadn't worked with writing letters or anything and stuff like that. Oh. Uh-huh. Well, they'd never picked it out, though?
No. Huh. They never, Or just never said anything. Course, like I said, I took her two days a week and maybe that was, my main reason for taking her was, uh, just social skills more than anything else. Yeah. Yeah. I felt she needed the just, I didn't feel like she was mature enough socially Yeah. and, uh, Well, one thing that's kind of different, too, though, a preschool than, than taking a, a infant or to at a day-care where they're taken care of. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. I think it would be hard to take them to people you don't know. Preschool's a different thing, but I think it's hard to take kids to somebody you don't know and, or unless you have awfully good references. Reliable, uh, people, Yeah,
yeah. I don't know, it's so hard to take young kids anywhere for very long. Well, I think it's hard to leave them, it is. It is. The older ones it's not, you don't even really have any real worries, because you know that they'll play with whoever's there and they usually adapt pretty well. Yeah. But, uh, Yeah, it, it is, I think, just hard to leave them because nobody will give them the kind of care their own families will. Well, and you know their, kind of their schedules and you know if they're upset and that type of a deal. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how, uh, people, uh, that have young kids working work full time and, and do it, really, without being stressed out all the time. I think it's, well, I don't know,
then, then on the other hand I think it's harder to stay home in some regards. It's hard to always keep yourself feeling like you're doing something productive, and at the end of the day your house still feels like it's a mess, and you haven't got anything done and Oh, yeah. what am I going to fix for supper Oh, yeah, it is Yeah, it's kind of hard to always feel gosh, what, is this important what I'm doing and Yeah, well, uh, the work never ends. No. That's for sure. No, it, It doesn't.
So, Huh. But, I think for taking kids to a, probably people that take them to, uh, preschools and day-cares full time, oh, they would, I don't know, probably just feel a different, uh, I think, I just think it would be hard to do that full time. I feel such a responsibility, even when we go out for a few hours that, are they driving the baby-sitter crazy and you know, Uh-huh, or is everything okay. Okay, yeah, Donna, um, you said you have three children. What, uh, kinds of activities do you spend with them? Is it ? Okay, um, we have an eleven year old, an eight year old, and a three year old and, um, uh, my husband, let's see, he coaches basketball with Brian, um, Uh-huh. so he spends time doing that with him, planning and, um, practicing outside.
Uh-huh. Um, he's a real sports kind of person, so he plays tennis with, with the kids. We all kind of play tennis as a family, except the baby plays in the playground. Uh-huh. We take turns with her. Um, uh, let's see, we have a computer and we do a lot of things with the kids on the computer. Um, uh, let's what else we do. Oh, plus we watch a little T V together. We really don't watch, I think, as much T V as a lot of people. Uh-huh. We don't have H B O. We do get the Disney channel for the kids. Uh-huh. Uh, my kids have a Nintendo which they play, and my husband sometimes joins them with that. Uh-huh.
Uh, my little girl, Jennifer, likes to do crafty things, and I'll take some time and do that with her. And, of course, we always read a bedtime story at night, and even the, the older kids sometimes sit down and, and will join in and listen to a story. I'm, basically the story person because my husband doesn't have, Uh-huh. he gets home from work late or whatever and, and usually, once in a while he'll read the story to little one, but that's basically my job Yeah. Um So do you find it difficult to find time, or is it pretty natural ? It is. It is hard because, you know, at the end of your day you want time for yourself Uh-huh. Yeah. and, and it, and that's kind of cutting into your, your time. Yeah. And with the kids getting older, now on the weekends they get to the bed like at ten which really is late,
Uh-huh. but, you know, on school nights, the two older ones get to bed about nine. They go upstairs at nine, and, um, now, this weekend we'll have a baby-sitter come and, uh, my husband and I will go out to dinner and come home and, um, probably not too late. Uh-huh . Maybe Brian will still be up, and spend some time with him. But it, it's really hard. You have to be a very unselfish person to, to spend a lot of time with your kids, I think. Yeah, yeah. Do you work during the day? Uh, no, I don't work. I, last year, um, I had a little part time job in a private, um, high school, tutoring, um, high school students with learning disabilities. Uh-huh. That was two days a week, and even just those two days just seemed like it was a lot. I don't know how, I admire, people that, that can do it all,
Yeah. but with three kids and laundry and keeping the house the way I want it kept, it is hard. Yeah. I can imagine. Um. Yeah. Even just finding the time to do the grocery shopping and everything. Uh-huh And that's another thing, I'll take one of the kids with me grocery shopping, um, usually on the weekend, and that's kind of like a special time for just myself and my little girl or myself and my son, and they'll be my helper, and then they'll get to pick out some of those favorite snacks that they get to pick out so, I try to do things like that, Yeah. but it, you know, it's, it's, uh, Yeah. And then, of course, they have a pretty, um, busy social calendar too Uh-huh. You fit it in with all that, that.
Yeah. So what do you feel are the current trends in the way families spend time in general, you know, in America? I, I think a lot of people, a lot of people set their kids in front of the T V and H B O and rent movies and, and, kind of leave them to their own means. Um, Uh-huh. Yeah. I think, you know, it's very, very easy to fall into that trap, and I'm not, um, totally innocent of that because, there's times when you just stay here, watch a tape. Uh-huh. Yeah. But, um, um, I think different parts of the country, I think in Plano and maybe this area in Texas, there's a lot of community activities that parents could join in with their kids. People are, real sports conscious and really get involved with their kids, sports activities and, Uh-huh Oh, that's good. You know, but, um, Yeah. Yeah, well, families are facing a challenge, I know that with, What,
I'm a newlywed and we're you know, thinking about having children sometime in the next couple of years Uh-huh. and, Uh-huh. And it's, it's very hard, because when you get used to two salaries, it's very hard to, to cut back to one. Yeah. And, um, um, but, you know, if you have the type of job, I have a friend that's a nurse and she can pick her hours and Uh-huh. that's a, a great career. I wish I would have gone into, uh, nursing Yeah. because she has such a flexible schedule, but it's very hard to, uh, spend time with the children and, uh, and your husband and do everything at once. Uh-huh. Yeah. But I do feel like it's important that you make the time for children because ,
Well, I think it's a big, it's a big, um, responsibility. You just don't, have children so that you can continue the lifestyle you had when you were single. Yeah. Yeah. When you have children, you have to say, now, this is different and you do have to give things up. I, I personally feel that it is extremely important to be with your own child, um, for the, at least for the first two years of their lives. I mean, if you, can possibly swing it because they, Do you have kids? Oh yeah. I got three. How about yourself? Uh, we have two and another one on the way. Oh, you have got, uh, young children then. Well, yeah, uh, we do, we have, uh, a six year old. He is oldest and then, uh, our baby will be a year on Monday. Oh my goodness.
That is great. Yeah. What kind of mix do you have? A boy and a girl? Two boys. Two boys. Two boys Yeah. Do you know what is on the way yet? Are you No. I am just about three months, and, uh, I don't think we really even want to find out. I do not blame you We like surprises. So We will take either. Well, we have got two boys and a girl also. Well, we have got two boys and a girl And, uh, does it, are the two boys first?
Yes. Oh. Maybe, maybe you will get lucky and get a girl this time. Maybe, huh. We, we kind of like our boys though too, so Well, our boys, one, is, uh, he is in graduate school at A and M, uh, he is in the Navy. He is a lieutenant in the Navy and the Navy is sending him for his Masters in Ocean Engineering Oh my goodness. and we have got another boy that is, us, out in Maryland. He is a wildlife biologist, uh, and our girl is thirteen. She is in the seventh grade. So, we have got, still, all sorts of good activities since, Oh yeah. You kind of got, uh, a span there, huh? Oh, well what do you do with your seventh grader? Well, she is into a little bit of everything.
She is, uh, loves riding horses so she goes out riding as much as she can. Do you have horses? No She, just, she knows people that does, huh? Well, that, yeah but maybe that riding place that is North of town that she goes to. She rides English, and does jumping, takes lesson and all that kind of stuff. Oh, does she? Oh. She must really like them. Yeah, she is into, uh, well she plays the flute in the band, and, the piccolo, and she is into this, uh, odyssey of the mind thing, which is, uh, takes a lot of time, for, uh, it a what they call peace group. I don't know if you have gotten into that with your kids,
but that is where the, kind of, well it is a program for Advanced kids. Advanced. Yeah. Yeah. I have heard about it. Our little boy is in the first grade and I, I taught school for six years. Oh, okay. So, I do know about that program and Well, my wife is involved and she kind of heads that up for these kids, and last year they, they, got, uh, the state level. They did not win that, but they, uh, got one local and, uh, one region, and they got a new mix of kids this time. So, it keeps them busy. Oh, uh-huh. It keeps them busy.
Oh, yeah I bet. Huh, well so does she go actually out into a different classroom with, with, uh, other kids that are involved in this? Well, uh, yes, but they, well they have, well you probably know a peace group that, uh, that they are advanced type. That they are special, well, uh, classes for peace classes. I think that, uh this happens to be, uh, uh, Yeah. history is what their peace class is this year. But, uh, so. Oh. Uh-huh. They, uh, she enjoys that kind of stuff and, uh, does well with it. Oh, how neat. So yeah. Challenging, huh? Yeah. Oh. Always something to do Well, uh, as far as our activities, we are kind of on a different level here. But, my
Well, you will get to different levels. I guarantee it. Yeah, yeah. My husband is going to take our six year old to the monster truck show tonight. Uh, okay. They like to, uh That will be fun. both boy things Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but we, we, do not have any real, uh, like we don't really ski. We have not taken our kids skiing or anything. Of course, the baby is young, but Got to wait a couple years. Yeah, Yeah.
Sledding, that is what you have got to do. Tobogganing. The what? You have got to go tobogganing and sledding with them. Oh, well yeah, we, we have done that. He, in fact, he just goes right out here. We have got quite a bit of snow, uh, last week we got a lot. Well you are welcome to keep that Yeah You would like that, huh? Well, I grew up in Wisconsin, I, I had plenty of snow, and when I was a kid, Oh. and we have lived here about seventeen years, but we use to take all of the kids tobogganing and ice skating, and all of that kind of stuff Yeah. it is fun really.
It is fun. As long as you do not have to drive in it. Yeah. I, no, I do not like that. I, really, it makes me nervous. Yeah I had plenty of snow to last me forever. I, I don't care if I ever see any, well, I don't care if I ever see it, but keep it off of here Yeah, yeah Well, uh, I don't mind it, but, uh, uh, the winter gets long. Yes. You know, I get ready, that, come about this time of year I am kind of ready for it to start getting spring,
and, it is too early yet. Well, you have got, You have got five months before you will see that Yeah, we do, we do. We have had a few early springs though in the last few years. They have not been too bad. Come about March, it gets, you know, a lot nicer. Oh yeah. Out oldest son. When, uh, Okay. You probably, uh, more up on this subject than I am, but, the roles that women have played in the last couple of year in our, or couple of generations. That, Right. Well, they've entered the work force more, uh, you know, since World War Two is when they started. You bet. And, uh, I think that that is, you know, very significant that the percentage of the work force today consists of such a high percent of women. You bet. You know, where I've noticed it more, I think, is, I'm a traveling salesperson
and I have traveled most of my life and I know just especially in the last, oh, ten years and really since, in the last half of dozen years I see more and more women traveling. Right. You know, as far as boarding planes and driving cars and calling on customers. I sell sporting goods and even in our industry, uh, there was virtually, really and truly no women as far as selling the type of things I sell and even in the last five or six years, boy we see more and more women being involved and, you know, it's a, it's a credit to them as far as how they're doing things. Yeah, the, you see more of that, you see more of them, uh, leaving their children in the care of their husbands while they do travel, too. You bet. You know, I, I go to a, I have a club that I belong to on Tuesday that, you know, one of the girls travels quite extensively and she says, well, my children have two parents. You know, why not You bet. That's sort of neat. So that, that's a, I think that's a change
and I think that's a change you're going to be seeing more of in the, in the future, people having that kind of attitude that the father's going to take more active role in child rearing. Sure. I think, uh, it's the age old thing, every once in a while you read in the newspaper or you'll see it on T V or something where the discussion comes out that, you know, women are paid less than men and they're, and they're doing the same, uh, or carrying the same job responsibility Right. and, you know, I, that's a very true statement and it shouldn't, uh, it shouldn't be that way. You know. No. That, that I think should change, will change in the near future also. I think so, hope so, It's been changing, it's been evolving, but there's still a, an, an inequality in the work forces or jobs. Absolutely. It's, you know, You know, I've, And you hear some people say, you know, well, he's a man, he, he, he needs that salary.
Right Yeah, they forget. Also, I think, uh, a good argument for that is in the area of politics, you know, if a, a woman Congressman I'm sure makes as much as a man Congressman as, and the same as a senator or whatever. Right. So, they certainly, uh, they certainly deserve it all the way. But, I guess just the most significant thing changed for me, again, as I mentioned, was just in traveling, you see, uh, more and more ladies of all ages with briefcases and, uh, and in their business suits and and going. And going, yeah. Uh-huh. And I expect you're right in regards to having two parents now. That's a good, a good statement. And I think if, in the future it's even going to be, uh, more noticeable and more significant. Right. Yeah, I, I think it will be.
I think, I, well, another thing I read, too, the other day, this is not just for working women but how much they're out there, I guess is the car designers, uh, are starting to design cars with women in mind. Uh, because in the past the male bought the cars, but now they're showing that fifty-five percent of women are actually making the new car purchases. And that they are looking for, uh, different things in the car. Wow. The man is looking for the in the engine and the woman is looking to how easy can she slide in under the steering wheel. Uh, can her makeup come off the upholstery You bet. Good point. And if they're out there buying that many cars, then there's that many out that are self sufficient and, you know, mobile and working. Right now I'm self employed and, and my wife's always worked. She's a schoolteacher, but for, she started working and then when I first started my business, uh, she was selling real estate at the time and hers was the only income we had for three or four months
so, Right. You know, she certainly did her part in help getting me establishing in my business and she still works everyday so, Yeah, we all do. You bet. I just happen to be off today. Uh-oh. I work, too. enjoying it What kind of work do you do? I'm a nurse. Well, good. And I work at Medical Treatment Center, uh, which is at uh, Jupiter and Arapaho. Right Married? No. Yeah.
Well, trying to think what else I can say in regards to this subject. I don't know, I'm kind of out of, out of things. You see the old, uh, cigarette ads, you know, about you've come a long way. You've come a long way baby? Baby, right, and, uh, Right. You think about this when you come to, when it comes to a subject like that and it's really true. Women have come a long way and, you know, do you have a P C? Yes, I have a Macintosh S E thirty. Uh-huh. Yeah, a lot of my friends are into Macintoshes. I have a, um, P C, a I B M P C myself.
Uh-huh. A two eighty-six. I'm probably eventually going to get a three eighty-six. Um. What do you use yours for mostly? Um, mostly, um, word processing applications and, uh, just as a dumb terminal. Uh-huh. Um, but I, um, I think eventually I'll start using it for spreadsheets and things like that. Um, what do you find that you use yours mostly for? Well, I do a lot of word processing and spreadsheets and data base, and, uh, about the only thing I am, uh, I'm just starting to get into, uh, a little bit more communications now. I've just today ordered a fax modem so I'll be able to send and receive faxes right over there without using, you know, Uh-huh. you don't have to make a hard copy that way. Uh-huh. Uh, are you using windows? No, I, I think I, I'm planning on like moving up, getting a three eighty-six before I move up to windows although, you know, I do like the, the graphical user environment. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. Well, it's getting to be more and more like a Macintosh Yeah, it's, um, I want, I want to be able I just want it more for multi tasking, which I suppose is also like a Macintosh. Uh-huh. Uh. Well, the one thing I used to use a, uh, I've never used an I B M actually. I used to use a, just an Apple two E, which of course is looks pretty primitive now. Uh-huh. Yeah, that's what I learned a lot of languages on, was an Apple two E in my high school. But I don't have any, uh, any real programming capabilities on my, uh, Mac right now. Uh-huh. I don't have, uh, any compilers Uh-huh. so I'm, uh. Well, do you use your computer for, um, just things around the house, or in the . I use it in my business.
Well, see, what do you do? I, uh, do, uh, consultation and, and testing of various kinds for, uh, English as a second language programs. Oh, wow. Um, and, uh, are these like, uh, do these programs, um, are, are they based on, on a, on a, um, other language, or are they based, are they based like a lot of the, um, you know, a lot of the English as a second language classes will have people from all sorts of, you know, parts of the world, and the teacher just tries to, tries to teach English, you know, through natural understanding. That's, uh, exactly what, yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm working with exactly. Uh-huh. You seem to be, uh, better informed than the average person on that. Well, it was just, uh, when I was high school, I worked for the community school, and they had a English second language class and it always seemed strange to me that, you know, all these, all these people that, you know, spoke English not too well, and spoke, you know, a variety of different languages were all being taught at the same time. Uh-huh. I imagine it's a lot harder on a computer because you have to, you know, you don't have as many cues, you can't, don't have hand gestures and things like that. Right. Well, now, we, uh, what I use a computer for is to write materials that are later printed, though.
Uh-huh. Most of the stuff that I do is not, uh, interactive Uh-huh. and I use it for uh, data analysis on testing, so. Uh, to see how well they retain the vocabulary and things like that. Well, just, actually, just, uh, item analysis, statistical analysis of the tests, uh. Uh-huh. You know, when you write a test you have to look at some data from it and see how the different questions are performing and find out which ones are discriminating well and which ones aren't find out how reliable the test is, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. you try correlate it with other tests and things of that sort. So it's, involves a lot of spreadsheet use. Yeah, I would imagine so. Um, so, um, what were you doing when you were using an Apple two E? Well, I was doing some of the same stuff, but doing it more slowly and with smaller files. I can't believe, you know, I've got, uh, five, uh, megabytes on this one now Uh-huh. It, it's .
and on my two E I had a hundred twenty-eight K Yes, it's amazing, you know, how, how like in the general user community the expectations have just grown so much. I remember my first computer was a T R S eighty with four K on it Yeah. and you know, then, then we, then I started playing with Apples, you know, and those had forty-eight, or, you know, if they were really great they had sixty-four K. Oh, the old the old Apple, uh, the, the original Apple had, what, yeah, forty-eight I guess, didn't it. Uh, I know, I know that in my school they had a bunch that had sixteen K on them, is all, and My goodness. there's, I remember that there was one game that I played that required forty-eight K and there was only one computer that had forty-eight K on it at the time. Uh-huh And you know it's just so amazing that generally, you know, if you, if you, I'm not sure about Macintoshes, but I know I B M you, you generally, you know, you buy a megabyte at a time. Uh-huh. You know, that's, that's your that's the low end. Uh.
Well the S P thirty goes up to eight Uh-huh. but I haven't upgraded it quite that far yet. I think probably when I get system seven I may have to do that and, and get another, possibly another hard disk. I don't know. They say that system seven uses a lot of memory. Uh-huh. Yeah, I imagine . Okay, Bill, right? Yes. Okay, Bill, have you done much camping? Uh, yes. I'm a scoutmaster in Boy Scouts. Uh-huh. And I camp, uh, every month, uh, camp at least one weekend and during the summer we camp, uh, two or three weeks a year Oh, well, that, that sounds good.
I'd say I camp quite a bit. Yeah, you do. Um, now do you have a lot mountains, well, you don't have mountains in Texas, do you. Where do you find places to camp? Well, uh, we, we do a lot of canoeing when we go camping Oh. and we, uh, we also, uh, carry all our equipment with us Uh-huh. and so we canoe down the river and then, sleep on the river on one of the, um, sand bars and then get up the next morning, cook our breakfast, and go down the river again. Oh. Oh, my word. Well that sounds adventuresome How about yourself? Well, um, I've done, oh, I would say quite a bit of camping, mostly with my husband and I. Um, we have five children, and so we have found that camping with the little ones isn't as enjoyable as just when we go ourselves. So we've tried to get out once a year and go on a anniversary camp out, and we have gone up into the mountains and, uh, not necessarily roughed it,
but we have just found it just real enjoyable to be alone up in the mountains. Well, that's good. And, then the boys are, our boys are old enough now, they're twelve and eleven, and so, they're involved in the scouting and they do a lot of camping with the scouts Uh-huh. and last time our one twelve year old went to the scout camp for a week, and so this year they'll both be going, and so that's been real enjoyable for them. Great. So. What, uh, what kind of camping do they like best? Do they like it where they have tents and, uh, do they cook on stoves? Um, yes, they've, well, no, actually they've, I remember, they have taken the, the the heavy cast iron dutch ovens and done their cooking there over the fire, and I don't think they've taken the stoves.
Um, last year they camped in tents, and this year I believe they will be in tents also. Uh-huh. Course I imagine it gets cold in parts of Utah. Uh-huh, yeah. It doesn't get very cold in Texas, so lots of times we don't even take tents. Oh, is that right? We just use trail tarps. Oh, and what does that consist of? Uh, it's just a piece of material that has, uh, that has a lot of places where you can tie off to it and make it into a tent uh, like a, uh, Oh. Uh-huh. they're very light weight and we use them when we go backpacking. So we go backpacking fifteen or twenty miles, then, uh, they're not very heavy, see Uh-huh. so you carry them with you,
and they'll keep you dry or whatever. Oh. Yes, well, see, when, when we go camping here, we have to take our big huge, heavy sleeping bags, and lots of tents and, I like to sleep on the air matresses. I'm not, my bones are getting so old, so I like to, I like to sleep on the matresses. Uh-huh. Um, so, have you had any adventures on your camping trips, with, encounters with wild animals or anything like that? yes, in fact, uh, um, last month we went camping, we saw a lot of deer uh, in the morning and the afternoon just deer everywhere. Oh. My word. Gee. Uh-huh, so, uh, but, it, even though, uh, it wasn't hunting season, and we were with Boy Scouts,
so of course we don't, uh, want to go hunting. Uh-huh. But we got to see a lot of deer um, out and about Oh. and there's, of course, we see smaller animals all the time, and, uh, one thing that is a big concern in the evening, at night, uh, is, uh, make sure that all the food's put away and so forth because, uh, we have, uh, armadillos. Oh. Do you know what armadillo is? Oh. Uh, they're covered like with a heavy armor type stuff, Uh-huh. uh-huh. And possums, and, uh, raccoons. My word. And we have those creatures down here that they like to, uh, they like to go hunting for a midnight snack. Uh-huh And so that, that, uh, that can be a problem if you don't put all your equipment away. But they won't necessarily attack a human or bite you or anything. They will if you attack them.
Oh. But most time they run away from you if they, if they see you're up, you know Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but they don't have any problem walking right by you if you're asleep. Oh, my word So. Well, that sounds a little less fierce than bears. We, we want to, music do you like? Uh, lots of different kinds I guess. Uh, I like country music, of course Uh-huh. Texas and I listen to Christian music a lot because there's a Christian music station here in in our city. So I listen to it quite a bit. Uh-huh. So, I am more into rock and roll myself. Uh-huh.
And I listen cause on Friday nights they have the, uh, they have what they call Saturday Night Alive or they have on Saturday night, Friday night and Saturday night and they have Christian rock and roll. Uh-huh. So you know, they have that type of music, but they just have different words so, I listen to that too. Do you like any bluegrass? Uh, no. Not really, huh-uh. Oh. And I like I like rap music. Well, at least your, Do you like rap music? Not really Not really Well, I can tell we're, we're together here Yeah. Okay. Uh.
Um. Uh, we'll have to, uh What kind of I have a lot of friends that like country music What kind of rock music do you listen to? Do you listen to like that really heavy metal stuff or, No, I'm more into, uh, older rock, like the psychedelic era, like, uh Seventies and like that stuff. late sixties, seventies, uh Uh-huh. Greatful Dead, Crosby, Stills and Nash. Yeah, I have friends that like that. What Yeah So you have never heard of like the Christian music that I listen to probably. Oh, I've heard a little bit of it. I've just,
Like have you heard of, uh, of Carmen? Have you ever heard of Kim? Uh, now I've heard of Striper. So the only one I can Striper, they're the really heavy, yeah like the heavy metal stuff I guess. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, the first of Amy Grant before Yeah. was, you know, became more mainstream, top forty. Yeah. Cause she, she plays both secular and Christian so, Uh-huh. Yeah, I like her too. Uh, I have been to a concert a couple of times of hers. I've never actually seen her in concert.
I imagine that she puts on a pretty good show. She does. Uh-huh. She's real good. She's real good. So, I like her. Uh-huh Uh, I like some country music. It's just that I like finding a lot of it's, I don't like the country music that's like my wife left me, my dog left me, everybody's left me. Yeah Mama got run over by the train. Yeah. I don't like that. Uh-huh. You know, I like Randy Travis Uh-huh. you know, I like more of the real new ones, you know. Like Garth Brooks. Garth Brooks, oh yes,
you know he's fine. Reba MacIntyre. Yeah. I like them. I don't care for the older, you know, like the dog left me stuff. You don't like Patsy Cline? Huh? You don't like Patsy Cline. No, huh-uh. I don't even really know who she is, you know You know, so. But, have you ever been to any of them concerts that you like? That music that you like to. Uh, yeah actually I just went to see the Greatful Dead about, I guess about a week ago. But aren't they done with? I thought that they No, they're they are still on tour. They have been touring, since the late sixties
And I just thought that they done broke up and left. No. They're still together. They're still making albums. Huh. Wow, I didn't know that. Uh-huh. Huh. Uh, That's interesting. In fact, I mean there are people you know that basically just follow them around, from city to city on tour selling tie dye and things like that. Uh-huh. Uh, Cause they are on up there in age, aren't they? Yeah, they're, they're like late forties, early fifties, but you know like whenever one of them dies off they get a replacement Okay. Alright.
You know, they seem to have a really bad time with keyboard players. They keep on dying and they keep on replacing them and the new one's in this thirties you know. Uh, Oh, alright. But, uh, Cause they look pretty rough. I mean, I've seen like picture of them and they just, Yeah. Well, they don't actually look as rough as the Rolling Stones. They just, I don't know if you saw the tour posters of the Rolling Stones when they last toured, but it looked like leather day at the geriatric, Yeah, I mean cause they just, All their faces were just all shriveled, Uh-huh. Yuck looking, I mean Uh-huh.
uh. I mean it just just looked like they, got a bunch of retirees and put them in leather jackets and blue jeans. Uh-huh. Well are you into that that rock music, you know, all that druggy stuff and all that I mean? Well, uh You know what I am saying like, I mean like they come on the stage and like, you know, you, they don't even know they are there. You know. They are just so out of it. Actually, I prefer my, my performers to be pretty sober, you know, just uh, just so that, you know, that if they're jamming, you know, that they don't just lose themselves and you know, go into lala land. Yeah. Uh-huh. So, I just don't, I just don't like you know. Uh-huh. That. So, I don't know So, uh, have you seen any concerts lately? Um. Uh, Uh, so, do you think our politicians are honest at this point in time?
Generally, I don't think they are. Uh, my, my personal opinion is that, uh, the politicians are out for their own good because they, they're entrenched. Uh-huh. They don't ever have to go out and get a real job. They just stay in their current job, Uh-huh. you know what I mean? I agree, uh, with, with both of those things, but, uh, do you see any way of like altering it so that they would become more honest? I think by putting term limitations on you could, you could slow down some of the problems. Uh-huh. Uh, but it has to be not just at the national level but at the, you know, the state and the local level, too. I know some senators, and I don't know which ones, but they've been in office since the, the nineteen forties Uh-huh. and I, they've never had a job. I mean they've never gone out in the real world and, and paid normal taxes. Um.

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