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So maybe that's. Schedule A or, It's on schedule, um, Schedule A under, uh, well, it's the same place, it's the same place you put, uh, interest. But, but see that's what, that's what makes Texas squirrelly laws that you can't, you can't take out a, a second mortgage, like some states where you can take out the mortgag...
and he's got just enormous debts, and he's, but, I mean, what do you say, it's like, Shucks, Boss, I'm sure sorry you've got all that debt. Well, he's had, had two kids in college and, and this kind of thing, and that Uh-huh. I think that the whole credit card issue, I think they certainly encourage people to run up th...
Yep. and, Miscellaneous things like food and other things, Yeah. these habits you get into, eating and, and, uh, it's, it's, it's amazing how it, what you learn. Yeah, so. Well, anything else good to say about credit cards? Um I might just, you know, they're convenient, you know, that's probably one big thing about the...
Yeah. and now I'm out here in Phoenix. They don't allow, they don't do They, they, none of these grocery stores take any credit cards, so now I have to carry cash when I go to the grocery store, which is new to me, you know, I got to have sixty bucks on me or something. Yeah. So, uh that was interesting, cause I always...
I've seen a couple, although the, so many of the grocery stores don't do that because of the, the time frame which they get paid, in general, that, uh, they, I've seen checks deposited the very next day, I mean, cleared my account the next day. My wife will write a check for groceries and, you know, almost, well I gues...
Maybe we'll get across, we'll cross paths again. Good night. All righty. Take it easy. So what kind of weather have you had in Dallas? Well, it's been very windy, Really? Yeah see, I didn't, I don't, I thought, uh, I thought, I lived in Euless and I thought it was pretty normal, but anyway, but I guess you're right tho...
and, uh, Uh-huh. so, uh, you know, I, I forget from year to year. I'm getting too old. But, the, uh, it, the wind's blowing very hard, Yeah. but I guess, you know, we're just out of March, and, uh will bring the rain in, uh, April. Yeah, I know, The trees are real pretty right now and everything. And, uh, I don't know....
yeah, I think, I think the weather overall has been, um, probably like you said, probably a little bit warm and, Uh, A little bit warm and a little bit blowy, I think. Anyway, so we basically live in the same area so it's real hard to, Really hard to make too big of different comparisons, right? I know. Yeah. I just th...
And, uh, gah, I don't think we can say anything else really. I don't think we can either, let's cut off. Yeah, that sounds like a good deal. Well, you have a nice day. You too. And we'll talk to you later. Bye-bye. Bye. Okay, um. Let's talk about the Middle East situation. The U S involvement in there, then I guess eve...
I understand that the U S is talking about leaving more of its planes and things over there. Uh, I guess, they, uh, they're anti U S in that region and now they're, you know, like Syria and Egypt, you know had some pressure against the U S, but now they, now they wouldn't allow us to have a base in that region but now ...
Boy, don't you know, I mean we don't seem to slow down even when there is a crisis No, no. But. Yeah, I think that's a nice gesture, on the Kuwaiti government part to do that, and a few people I guess will make a few people pretty wealthy in construction and so forth. I imagine. Your oil companies, they may see, probab...
Yeah, but look at their war, that was his whole war is, is I'm not satisfied with what Iraq has, I want what everybody has. That's right. And, and you're right, it's like you see two little pre-school kids fighting over a toy, you know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I, I am a little concerned about you know, I know they are putting ...
I'm trying to say another, because he yeah. You know because he, he wants them to uphold their end of the deal as far as the cease-fire Right. Right. You know if it's an internal thing, I don't think we can walk in and say, Gee, I think you're right, and you're wrong, you know we're not the judge and jury. Uh-huh. Uh, ...
Yeah. and uh, and uh, Saddam Hussein miscalculated all along, thinking that he wouldn't commit U S lives and, and forces and, and monies to, just to liberate a little country. Boy, I would say. That's right. And, uh, then he underestimated his ability to, to wage a war with us. I mean, one thing when we all came over t...
Right. but I think they are smart enough, to see there's nothing holy about it. Yeah. We just want to go in and took it. Right. You know. Saddam Hussein is not a religious person, but he uses it. When he sees it to his advantage. Sure. Sure. And, uh, and I think the people were smart enough to realize that, and I think...
Yeah, yeah. You know, I thought they, uh, showed a tremendous restraint in their reactions towards everything, Uh-huh. but I don't believe for a minute that that means that they don't have ideas and plans of their own That's right. But I do agree with you, Yeah. I think President Bush handled it all politically very sm...
and you can't, you know, you can't just do this. And don't you think that long term that's been a big boost for the United Nations. Oh, yeah. I mean the United Nations been there for years, but all of a sudden. Had no, had no teeth. Yeah there are some teeth behind it and the fact that when they have sanctions and we s...
You know, except for a few medical supplies they are allowing through now and then powdered milk, I guess, for babies and things and until they, I guess, yesterday they came out with this, these rules I guess or whatever. For a permanent, permanent cease-fire Right. They supported it. and the Kuwaitis said, We don't wa...
and, Well I don't think Iran is under the same type of madman type leadership, Yeah, yeah. but there's always the possibility, I guess. Yeah, yeah since Khomeini died over there, things have gotten a little more normalized. I think so. Not quite as radical a stance, more moderates are in power now. I think the person w...
And, uh, but boy those Lebanese in Jordan, they were saying you know, this whole war is Israel's fault because Israel told the United States to attack Iran it was like, it was like you know Israel controls our government. I know, isn't that amazing the way that they will find their cause no matter what situation they s...
and they both have holy sanctions. So, very different things than what we face. Okay Well, what, what do you is think is the, uh, the main change in? What generation are you, I'm, I'm thirty years old? I'm twenty-nine. You're twenty-nine, okay, so we're, we're both children of the very early sixties. Right. And, I have...
uh-huh. So, that seems to be a pretty big change. Yeah, the family structure in general is being really restructured from one income to two incomes which means from one parent to two part-time parents, if you're lucky Uh-huh. Yeah, right. Um, I, uh, it, it's funny, it's both of us then were really just adolescents when...
Uh-huh. Uh, course, they find that the choice creates its own hardships in a way because life is not quite as simple even if it is for your, you know, you can share something you really want, which is a wonderful thing, Uh-huh. but, it does seem like an awful lot of my, uh, my adult women friends are anguishing over, o...
Right. Right. Even though there's probably women with M B A's, maybe even Ph D's, that are staying at home with the children. Um, Well, I only know, I have, of my friends who have, have children, uh, I only know of one woman who's decided to go that quote, unquote, traditional route. Uh-huh. And, I have a lot of respec...
but they don't necessarily feel that they do because they no longer feel like if they were just to be a parent rather than, uh, you know, a sort of super woman success in the business world as well, they would somehow be perceived as a failure, in their own eyes or in others, Uh-huh. Right. and, and then you, and then ...
but, uh, but, uh, there is a T V show out there. I didn't happen to see that. I guess they're trying to gain more public acceptance of things like that. Because I know there are cases of where that happens and, Oh, yeah. I knew, I knew people who did that years ago, Uh-huh. but they were very apologetic about it becaus...
Right. They can have paternity leave, as well as maternity leave. Yeah. In fact I'm pretty sure TI has something like that because, uh, one of the area supervisors, uh, in my area, as a matter of fact, took off, um, for a couple of weeks, when his wife had their baby. Uh-huh. Now it might have been just to take care of...
the other big change I see in, in woman's lives is, um, to remain biological they, uh, women because they have choice are having children much later in life. Right. Uh, I mean, my friends who are having children are having them at age thirty. Uh-huh. And, uh, if I'd been a couple of generations ago, they would have had...
I think it also gives a woman a chance, if she does have a job and a career, it gives the man and the wife both the chance to both be working and maybe save up some money and then it gives her a little more option if she wants to stay home with the children while they're young, and, be a mother for awhile, Uh-huh. and ...
Uh-huh. I seem to see more women in, uh, in leadership type roles and management positions, in politics, Yeah. I mean, it's still, it's still a small minority, but it's, but it's an improvement. Yeah. It really is. Like the Mayor of Dallas is a woman. Oh, really! And, I'm sure that twenty years ago that never would h...
but, you just start hearing more and more. Yeah. In fact, oh, the, the Governor of Texas is a woman, too Oh We can't forget that one. So, What's, what's her name? Ann Richards. No, it, we don't get much Texas politics out in California, to be honest. Yeah. She was inaugurated in January, so, so, you're starting to see ...
I don't know if you saw those, but, I thought she was treated badly for being a woman, frankly, I really did by, by, uh, the the then vice-presidential candidates, uh, who really, I thought, had a demeaning attitude towards her. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. And, uh, it was sort of, it was acceptable to say certain types of th...
It was nice talking to you, too. Okay, take care. You, too. Bye, bye. Bye, bye. Okay. Well, how do you feel about, uh, drug testing? Um, personally, I don't have a problem with it, uh, I think, uh, as far as, uh, protecting fellow employees, protecting their reputation of the company and the quality of work that the pe...
but I don't really like having to do it. It, That's right. And I don't like the idea of it, it's, it's, makes too much of a big brother type of thing. That's absolutely right. It, it, uh, I guess it all comes down to, uh, you know, a, a definition of, uh, how much out, outside activities affect your work and, uh, uh, g...
Yeah. the company and, uh, you know, what kind of people work there, what, uh, Plus, I guess, if they are in problem enough to be jailed or something of that nature for any length of time, then the company has lost what they've put into that employee, and their expertise or whatever. That's right. That's right. Right. ...
but, uh, not, nobody, no, I don't think anybody questions that, um, testing someone as a, as a precondition to being hired but, um, for the conditions that, for our employment to change while you're on the job that's, I, I don't know, that, that's where I think that most people get upset. It's, uh, you know, it, it's c...
I, I know of some people who did, uh, it was, it was indirectly related, you know, they could always come up with other reasons but it, it had a lot to do with it. Just the, the whole attitude, because it's really, uh, it's just really, it, it seems so T I, you know, with the, the whole relaxed atmosphere that we have,...
Absolutely not, you know, it's, it's, it's, you know, if you hired me I'll be, you know, supposedly your grade was a little majority of my views and my qualifications to begin with so, uh, you know, let's, let's stick with that original trust, I guess. Yeah. But, uh, it's, it's still, it, it still remains a tough quest...
Yeah. Um, you know, it may prevent somebody who was, was teetering on the edge of experimenting or whatnot but, uh, I don't know if, you know, the, it's, it's a needs of the few and the needs of the many type situation I don't know if everybody should have to sacrifice quite as much. There, there's still a big question...
and you happen to take an extra penicillin, well, penicillin's not on the list but, you know, Yeah. yeah, I, I think you understand what I'm getting at, Yeah. it, it can still show up and it can still flag as a positive and, and those kinds of things obviously that's not the intent, Right. No. and, uh, those are the ki...
That's right. You know, that's, that's totally out. That's right. I even had friends when I was going to college who were in, uh, pharmacy school and they could legally, um, provide medicine to their family family members and friends certain medicines were, were legal now I, I, I believe, you know, any of the, any of t...
Well, what's your views on it? I think it's, uh, a good idea. Um, I grew up, uh, my teenage years were spent during the sixties, graduating, uh, high school in sixty-eight. Um, I remember when the Peace Corps movement first came about, and I thought it was a very good idea at the time. I was one of those, uh, Kennedy c...
And there's a lot of housing, Yeah. I know in the area that I live in, that's run down and beat up, but it could be fixed up and used, Uh-huh. and it's just, you know, sitting there wasting away. Yeah, we're not too far behind I graduated in seventy-one, so I'm, I'm same generation. I, I'm, it's going to be a short con...
Uh, it's, I think it would be good for them, uh, it helps mature them a little bit, and helps them understand the world, the way it really is. Yeah, I think a lot of people grow up with, uh, with, uh, preconceived notions what the world's about. Oh, yeah. A lot of it has to do from too much T V, Oh, yeah, yeah. and, uh...
but when I got out of high school, I kind of said, you know, what am I going to do now? Uh-huh. You know, it's like, you know, when I actually started working full time, and I, I got married shortly after getting out of high school. I, uh, thought I was smart, ran away and got married, and, uh, I remember there was a t...
a, Uh, I mean, I was in the same boat when I left high school. I, my parents wanted me to go straight to college and I didn't. You know, I was ready, I was ready, I had wanderlust, I wanted to get out and see some things. So, I joined the Air Force and ended up staying there for thirteen years. Um. Um, but, I had lived...
Uh-huh. Well, you know, it's just like you say, there's so much stuff that needs to be done here in this country, and, uh, you know, if, if you could have a thought of something like, uh, like a, uh, uh, a Peace Corps sort of organization. I mean, this would be so useful, just in, uh, for instance, just helping old fol...
and the whole bit and, Yeah, my mom's in the same position, late sixties, and, and it got to the, got to the point where, I mean, me and my brother both were, were gone, and she couldn't maintain the house, without large expenditures of money. Yeah. You know, it finally got to a point where she just had to sell it and ...
They're, they're out for themselves and, Yeah. I think, uh, President Bush covered that in his, uh, State of the Union Address this year when he said that, you know, it's time for, you know, the individuals to start thinking about what they can do to help each other out instead of counting on government to do everythin...
and, uh, the materials were at cost. And we'd put up houses. And, that was kind, that was kind of neat. I, uh, in a way, I think it's a little bit inefficient, but, but it's better than nothing. Yeah. And, and at least I had the opportunity of seeing two families move into decent housing. Um, course, on the other hand,...
and that's been tried, that was tried in Alabama too, and it got shot down. Yeah. I and I don't understand the reasoning for it. I really don't. It, it seems perfectly logical that if somebody's going to take public money, then they should return something to the public. I mean, if nothing else, go out along an interst...
uh-huh. Yeah, we have that here in North Carolina. Well, good afternoon to you, Mary. First, let me ask you, what's, what's the weather like up there to begin with? And good, Well, well, today, uh, when I got up it was twenty-nine degrees. Yes, and it managed to get up to about fifty this afternoon but it's been cloud...
Uh-huh. Well, it's probably on its way up there. It was heading north. Thanks a lot couldn't you send us some nice weather? Well, it was nice today. Oh, was it? Uh, in between the thunder showers, yes. Well, the, one thing's for sure we can always discuss the weather, how some ever we can't do very much to change it. W...
Well, tell me, uh, is, is it normally that cold up there in, in the Spring? No, it's not. This is, uh, about, uh, ten degrees cooler than usual. But about a week ago we were up to eighty and eighty-five degrees. You're kidding? No, no, it, uh, it fluctuates from one extreme to the other it seems. You, are you sure you ...
Uh, cars were scraping, ice off their cars this morning if they've been sitting out all night. Oh. So it, it really wasn't too, wasn't too pleasant Oh, Mother Macree. No, I should say not. Well, I, I, sincerely hope that you don't have that terrible storm we had. Oh, I hope, not. I hope, it doesn't reach you up the...
the, that, whew, that would be tear disastrous. If you, had that rain storm and freezing weather. Yes. Yes. Oh. We had, uh, a week ago they had golf ball size hail coming down in one part of the, uh, of the city of Dayton itself. Uh-huh. And, uh, then we just had about an inch and a half or two inches of rain in less ...
what do they call them? The, the, the marching band or something? Yeah. Uh, uh, had just quit rehearsal about a half hour before. Oh, they, that was, very, very fortunate for them because that could have really been disastrous. Oh, and how. Well, of course this is tornado season, uh, in to, uh, we have many tornadoes s...
we do. Uh, we've had, uh, well, past four or five years, I guess, at least one day during the year when just everything would just close down because we'd have freezing rain. Um-hum. And, uh, of course people down here, they just don't know how to handle themselves and, Right. Yes, I was going to say that it does make ...
Well, uh, well here what they do and I, I contend that it's certainly not the right thing to do, they spread salt. And of course the salt does melt the ice, but then what melts immediately freezes and becomes, uh, a perpetual problem. Oh, it sure does do that. Yeah, they, well we, they do that down here too. They mix t...
But kitty litter is excellent for, uh, getting under the wheels of cars and what have you and giving you traction. I guess it would be. Uh-huh. Yeah, it, uh, works out, uh, really quite well. Course I have, I have a dog also. My son brought me a little Lhasa Apso, uh, for my birthday last Thanksgiving. Oh. He brought h...
A Chowperd. Now that one I'm not familiar with. Well, she's part Chow and part Shepherd. Uh, okay. Okay, that makes sense then Uh-huh. But she's the best, the best of both breeds. I believe, Yes, right, well, I've always had big dogs before. Never had a little dog before. Well, June, is medium sized. And, Yes well, Oh...
and two months later I had to put my yellow Lab down, because he had leukemia. Oh. And, uh, then, uh, then there was no point in having all my acreage. I had four and a half acres with game preserve on three sides. Oh, that must be nice. Oh, well, it was great. I loved it. But then I didn't need all that anymore, so I...
Uh-huh. That's what I call home. Oh, is that right? I lived there for ten years. Oh, well I was there once way, way back in nineteen-sixty, I think for just a week's vacation. Uh-huh. But, uh, I, that's about the only time I've been to Florida, except passing through on the way to someplace else. Yep. But, uh, Well, I ...
When you, start getting over, to, Well, that's, that's why I was suggesting, uh, that Saint Petersburg is got, got to be the finest weather in the world. Oh, is that right? Oh, I, I loved it down there. Um. Course you could tell, always tell which were the, the and which ones were the snowbirds. Yeah. Oh, is that ri...
Uh-huh. And it wasn't our freedom that you were saving. It was just, the thing, the thing that, that, that I saw was okay, Iraq wants to raise oil prices. Uh-huh. Kuwait wants to take Iraq out of the whole system, by leaving them independent. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And so, when Iraq, you know, saw this, they said let's take ...
but we're not going to go into your country. Uh-huh. But these countries here, which, you know, are, you know, like in NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR, have you ever read that book? No, huh-uh. Okay, NINETEEN EIGHTY-FOUR there are like three big continents and, uh, there's just this area, like around Egypt and stuff, that everyb...
We'll probably never know how much it actually cost. And you know, it's, it was basically all based on oil because nobody actually, like for example, if, uh, let's say if, you know Brazil took over you know, Surinam. I don't think anybody would care. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know, and, uh, that's something that, that has bee...
Yes, that's really unfortunate, it really is. I don't know if we stopped too soon, I don't, I don't, I really don't know what we need to do about that. Well, there's something that, that the U S did right which is say, say, you know, okay, let's kick him out of Kuwait, which was our basic goal. Uh-huh. And, uh, now, in...
Well the thing is, is that first of all they got to, they they have to get him. Uh-huh, which is very difficult to do. And, and there's no way that you can get them, unless it's by force. Uh-huh. You know. And then you can put him on trial. Obviously, he's not going to turn himself in. No, no, I think, I think he'd rat...
And you know like he sent planes over to, to shoot the people down that were on the border with, uh, that were on their way to Turkey. Uh-huh. He had a couple of them bombarded. Yeah, yeah, obviously human life means nothing to him. Huh-uh. But, uh, you know, he's got, uh, millions of dollars, like, I think it was lik...
sure, we need oil, you know, Uh-huh. and we need it desperately. Yeah. But the other countries, that, you know, that have oil but not as big, you know, like they say, you know, like when the prices went up and then they went down. Uh-huh. When they took that big dip it was because they discovered another big oil well s...
but I went up ten cents. Yeah. Yeah. About the lowest I've seen gasoline in the Dallas area is, uh, I guess, about ninety-two point nine now. Ninety-eight? Ninety-two. Oh, God. Here it's like, it's like a dollar five. Oh really. Yeah. Well there's still a lot of dollar five places here but you can find some that's unde...
I think Mobil was doing very well, too. Yeah. Well I, I assume all the major, major brands are. And, uh, that was, I mean and what other companies are, went up four hundred and some percent. Uh-huh. And that's practically impossible to do now a days, for a company to, to shoot up in that way. That's true. Yeah, yeah, ...
you got to pay forty dollars at least and, you know, for, uh, for one gallon Yeah. and it's, it was selling like at twenty-five or something. Uh-huh. So you're making, uh, you know, fifteen dollars profit, easily. Yeah, yeah, sure. And, uh, everything, I mean, and, and, the expenses, you know, of the war, you know, it...
and then everybody else loses. Uh-huh. But, um, you know, they're just, they're just some things that might not be worth it. Yeah, that's true. You know, and, and first of all how many, how many people had to, had to die before the war, you know, it's like transporting stuff and things like that, before, you know, it'...
but it's interesting. Yeah, so, okay, nice talking to you. To you too, take care. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. All right, I, I think our experience of camping is, I, I am the, the passive member, I get things ready and then I enjoy. Uh-huh. Uh, because, my, my husband is a good camper and so they, he manages the troops and they d...
how about when they were younger, did you go take them camping? That's when we camped the most. Uh-huh. When, I thinks it's a marvelous activity for younger families because, uh, I, it seems like I would go through a period of time where I just, uh, was really overworked, you know, and, and getting out into nature and...
you dumped everything in together and it was enough for all five of us, six of us. Oh, that's interesting. You know, interesting enough, uh, the food part was kind of, uh, important thing in our camping. Uh, when my oldest son, uh, always at the beginning I did all the shopping and everything. But the, the neat breakth...
I mean. What did you like to do most? Well really just commune with nature. That's neat isn't it? We started out, uh, well we were living in Florida at the time and we, early in life, we discovered that six people all going on vacation gets to be very, very expensive. Right. I agree. So my ex decided, we're going to tr...
But, uh, there's really no time of the year that you can't go. Oh, is that true? Uh, Now, now we're, we're in Texas now and you're in Texas, right. Yes, I'm in Dallas. Okay, uh, we have not camped a great deal here because, uh, a good share of the time in the Summer time, it's too hot really to be very comfortable camp...
and it was so, you know, pick your own, uh, blueberries and make blueberry pancakes for breakfast Oh yes, yes, Uh, also, I I come from up in that area, go ahead. I'm a New Yorker myself. Oh, are you? Where did you live? A little town called Tuckaho, over by White Plains. Oh, oh yeah, I know that. I had a cousin who li...
Uh-huh. And, uh, and there's, uh, a lot of trees, lot of mountains, and lot of, uh, hiking sort of things and, and we had, uh, collapsible boat which we, clipper, little clipper sail boat. Uh-huh. And so we would sail and, and, uh, did a lot of camping that way. Well, uh, me, I outgrew, uh, sleeping bags and, uh, tents...
or, well just me and my dog. You and your dog, huh, Yeah. Hey, that sounds great. Well, we don't, we don't camp quite as much as we used to, but, uh, I still think it's a great way to spend a time with your family, and enjoy nature and, uh, kind of wipe out the stress of everyday life. Oh yes, definitely. I'd always, ...
all right. Are you, uh, from Dallas too, Beth. yes, we've been here, we're, we're in Plano, Oh! but we've been here about, uh, eighteen years. Well that's where we, that's where I am, Plano. Are you, are you, how about that. Well we're all, lots of people from T I up this way. Uh-huh. All right, good to talk to you. Ni...
Okay, how do you feel about them? Well, I keep trying to get away from them, I used to use a lot of credit cards I guess for a while I would use, you know, a variety of the Visa and the MasterCard and the stores, but I think I, I impulse buy too much with them or I buy things, you know, I see it on sale and I think, oh...
okay. Because I don't like credit cards for one thing, you know, I mean, they're okay, I guess, if you're on a trip or something, you don't have to take a whole bunch of, you know, cash with you, Uh-huh. Right. but I don't like using them because I've seen too many people that used them and ended up bankrupt or on, ch...
you think, well, I don't have it now but payday will come and then I'll have the money. Uh-huh. But that's probably paying for things that were still owed from last time, Right. Are you married? Yes. Oh, okay. Well, I know that a lot of young people, you know, I, it took me a long time to get it through my child's head...
You know, and I'm, I'm thinking woman, wake up and smell the roses before they come and get you. But ... Right. Besides the fact that how much interest you pay and then this ... Right, and people don't see that either. Yeah, this thing that you thought you got on sale, by the time you get done paying with that with all...
I mean, you have to pay the interest, not pay it right off, Uh-huh. that's going to take up what you would have made. Huh. So that's the only reason that we kept that, we debated for a long time plus they don't have that, um, charge on it, you know, like ... Service charge you mean? Yeah. Yearly fee, yeah. Right. They ...
yes. And then, I'll have, just like , uh, department stores. They'll call me up, you know, and I'll say, look, I don't want the credit card, well, we're just going to send it to you, you know, you don't have to ever use it if you don't want to. They'll send me any credit card, I tear it up. I just can't see it. What I ...
What's really bad about those though is just like young people if they don't, you know, we take the time to, you know, help my daughter, she's in college, Uh-huh. but it, this is her first credit card thing, well, when she got her first one she was so excited it was unreal. Look at this they sent me this money, you kno...
You know, somebody sent them something free. Uh-huh. And go out and spend it. And, um, it's just unreal. I mean, I don't like credit cards, I wish that they would come up with some other way to, you know, the only way you could use them is if you were, like on vacation. They would let you use it maybe once a year. You ...
That's how you got on to it to start with, you know, what is the matter with this person, Yeah. But, um, it seems like people just, you know, they just think, well, I can just have anything I want. And I just don't see it like that. Of course, I always see pay the bills first and whatever's leftover, that's what you ha...
and you don't, you know, do without too much and, you know, that's how I got started kind of with setting up a household all up, you know, it kind of like, in the short amount of time. You know, you just have to have these things just, you know, have them at home, have to have them at my own place and that's, you know,...
We're like, okay, like I want a living room set. And instead of sitting back and, and going, okay, well, it's going to cost maybe a thousand dollars, two thousand dollars and I'll save for two years, uh-huh. people go, oh, well, I'll just go buy it, put it on credit and they'll pay it off. yeah. People aren't tuned in ...
I use it occasionally but I pay it right off. We're ... Yeah, well, you learned then, right? Yeah, you learn the, you know, the hard way, you hate paying all that interest and I've never been one to itemize on my income, tax and never had enough to itemize and so it's just a big chunk of money and you realize that you'...
so I can feel that, you know, if something comes up I've got the money to pay for it, . We're supposed to talk about the Middle East Crisis, and should we be involved and, uh, what's it going to cost us in the long run. Oh, okay. Okay. Are you ready? I guess so. The Middle East Crisis should we be there? Oh, dear that...
Well, it's because of oil isn't it? No. I really believe it's because, I think it has something to do with oil, don't get me wrong. Uh-huh. But Saddam is, Saddam is a madman. Oh, yeah. I agree with that. Anyone that would use chemical weapons to fight his own people, Oh, yeah. Well, yeah, he's, uh, a bad person, very d...
uh-huh. and the Saudis are our allies. We have several treaties and several alliances with the Saudis that range back for probably forty years. Yeah, many years. You know they've been our friends through thick and thin. Uh-huh. They, were at the Saudi border. And ready to storm into Saudi. Well, Uh-huh. Shouldn't we t...
What if we would have lost thousands of young men. Would that, would it have been too much of a price to pay for that? I don't know. See, and I think there are a lot of things that we don't know but, that, Oh, of course, our government is full of liars, thieves, and crooks. the American people, Oh, sure. Well, and the...

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