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Is that, uh, let me interrupt, is that the same for both, uh, professors and, and also staff and administration, is that generally across the board, do you think or, Uh, yes, it is. The benefits plan is different for operating, for what we call operating staff, which are considered to be, uh, clerical personnel, accountants, things like that as opposed to what they call the P A T staff, which I belong to Right. Uh-huh. but the main, I think the, the health and all that and the dental is the same for everybody, and the retirement plan. But the main difference is in the, uh, the way sick time is accrued and vacation time is accrued. Uh-huh. Oh, okay. Uh, for the operating staff it's on a seniority, it's, you know, based on how long they've worked there. Right. That determines how much, uh, vacation time they get. Yeah, I'm kind of interested because I'm actually, that's the route I'd like to take when I finally get my degree is to, uh, is to teach in a university. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
I'm a doctoral student in Florida right now Oh. but, uh, yeah, that's, that's interesting. That's one of the things I'd like to think about is in what kind of benefits they would, uh, they would cover and things like that. College programs belong to this T I A A, uh, C R E F retirement fund. Oh, is that right? Right, and in the case of the University of New Hampshire, uh, Okay. All right. What's your view. Huh? What's your view? Well, I have a hard time thinking that they can control guns. Personally. Yeah Yeah, that's true. I mean,
You know, even if they give it a shot, it's still going to be black market all over the place, you know, That's right. That's right. I don't know. Coming from Texas you're probably, I don't know I shouldn't make stereo types, but gun control is probably frowned on quite a bit down there I would think. Yeah. It is, but I'm not really from I'm not really from Texas, I just live down here now. I've I've lived down here a couple years. Oh, you're just live down there? Yeah. I'm originally from Colorado, but yeah Oh well. there, uh, there, uh there's a lot of hunters here. Yeah,
well I know how you feel. I'm, uh, I grew up in Nebraska and, and we always use to go out and hunt all the time, you know and man, there's no way. There's no way I would ever go for a total ban on all weapons. Uh-huh. That's just, I don't know. I just think, I think it's ridiculous. Yeah. I mean, It doesn't sit with me very well. I don't know, I, anymore I keep a thirty-eight in my truck, you know. Really. Yeah, I just about all, well I live in Minneapolis and I, well actually I live in Florida, but I am staying in Minneapolis for a year
and you know, both areas are pretty crime ridden right now Uh-huh. Right. and it's just, you never know who is out there. Right. You know it's just for self protection purposes and then of course there's the hunting issue, so Sure. yeah that's good. What do you do, Jeff? Uh, I, I'm in, uh, program control for a company up here. Oh, yeah. Yeah. All right. We do schedules, for programs, schedule programs. Yeah. What do you do? I'm, uh, researcher of Honeywell up here.
Oh, okay. So, uh, yeah. You guys uh, do you get much of a chance to hunt or anything or, Uh, I haven't had a chance to do any hunting since I've been down here. I don't own a shotgun, but I'd like to go bird hunting. Yeah. You know that's something I miss quite a bit. So. Yeah, uh, when I was in Colorado we went deer and elk hunting you, you know, quite a bit Yeah. but, Yeah. All right. Yeah, my brother was, uh, a guide for bear and elk hunts out in Idaho for a while and, uh, really enjoyed it quite a bit, but I don't know.
I guess that what the scale now is, it's zero for, uh, for a complete, One for a total ban and, uh, That's right. I guess I am about eight or nine Yeah, I, I agree with you there Yeah, no doubt about it but, uh, I mean, if they can anyway get it, keep criminals from having guns which they can't Yeah. I, you know, I'm not for it. Yeah, if there's if there's a way, you know, to limited it to people that, I don't know that they, I guess they passed a couple of, uh, uh, laws a here while back in some states in terms of a waiting period where you know you go to buy a hand gun Uh-huh. and then they actually, uh, I know it's this way in Florida. They have a waiting period where you buy one and that's a week
Uh-huh. and then they check you out and make sure you don't have a record you know and things like that. I think that's a pretty good idea. Uh, and that's, I don't know, that's not a bad idea, but then again you can always get around that. You could go through the black market like you say. You know, you always be able to get around but, uh, Sure. Yeah, it's one of things but, uh, I don't know. I guess, I guess some forms of guns should probably be controlled just like I'm not real sure why anybody would need a full automatic weapon. Yeah, I don't either Yeah, I'm just not, I think those have been pretty much, you know, banned altogether anyway.
Yeah, I There, fully auto, but, even well, I mean, a semiautomatic, I guess that's, It kind of takes the sport out of hunting Yeah. Right. You know, it's like what can you do with that, that you can't do in a self protection situation with like a seven or a twenty shot twelve. Sure. You know, you might do the same thing. Right. And so it's like, I don't know. It does. It takes the sport out of it. For me I would much rather have a bow anytime Oh, really. I, I like bows. You know, I have done some bow hunting and I, uh, I get into it and I think it's more of a challenge, you know.
Yeah. But, uh, I don't know. I guess it keeps the shell makers in business. Sure. But, uh, I don't know. Anyway, that's about where I stand Me too. You, uh, Yeah, I am about the same way. And you, uh, have you eaten yet or whatever. Yeah. Is it seven o'clock there? Uh, yeah, it's about seven fifteen. You guys central? How is the weather up there? Oh, it's not too good. It's kind of rainy actually. Is it?
Around this time of year you expect it up here to get down to about, uh, I don't know, ten or twenty degrees Right. and it's been up around forty. So people are, people are whining about the rain and stuff, but not too bad about the temperature. Ice is starting to melt and stuff like that so. Yeah. I am just up here for the year and it's kind of shocking. Wendy, I guess we get to talk about budgets tonight or lack of budgets if, uh, if that may be the case and any kind of long term financial planning or anything like that, uh, Right. let me ask you the question, do you have a, uh, budget, or a monthly budget, or a long term budget that you stick to? Right now I'm in college and I'm on work study Uh-huh. and so my budget comes from my dad's help. Uh-huh. He helps me out a lot and I get paid monthly,
so that's kind of hard to have a budget. My mother, uh, doesn't get paid much money, so her budget is, uh, just, uh, planning for I R A's. I see, I see. Well, good, I'm kind of in a different situation, but I, I, I went through that, too, when I was in school, but, uh, I was, I was working to get through college and, and, uh, trying to make it through that, but, uh, I'm married and have, uh, a, a couple of children and we have to, uh, pretty much stick to a budget. Uh-huh. I'm on a salary so I don't get any overtime or anything like that but, We have a fixed income Oh. and we have to make sure that, uh, every dollar we have will, is spent accordingly and, uh, what we try and do to, to stick to our monthly budget is we pretty much have, you know, the house payment, Uh-huh. we have the insurance premiums, uh, utilities and so forth
and we do sit down at the beginning of every month or the end of every month and write down how much we know we're going to spend and set that money aside, and we also try and set aside money for savings, set aside money for the the kids' education college education, the future and, uh, set aside money for bonds Uh-huh. and, and we also set aside an emergency fund because we've, uh, we've been married for about ten years That sounds good. and we find out that, you know, no matter what kind of budget you stick on, there's always going to be an unexpected car repair or something happen with the house, that you have to have money for and, uh, not enough to go and to take a loan out, but, uh, you have to have money for. Right. Right. And, uh, then we have, you know, whatever's left over is disposable disposable, yeah, discretionary income, that we use for the rest of the month, so, and it's worked out very well. It's, uh, it's helped us, so that we haven't been, you know, too long on the month and too short on the money and uh, try and stick with that Well, that's good. and, nice thing about it, I, my wife is, is excellent in that we both work together, we both have a budget, and we stick to it Well, good. and there's no surprises in that With two kids, that could be hard.
Well, actually I have four kids. Four! So, yeah, I said a couple of kids, I, I guess I should have specified, I have four four little boys, Oh, my goodness. yeah. Four boys. You bet. Oh, my You bet. It's just me and my sister. All right And my parents divorced three years ago Uh-huh. and my sister had gotten through college, but I was still in high school, and my mother paid for a lot of my sister's college while my parents were together
Yes. and then, uh, before the divorce she had saved for my college. Uh-huh. But, uh, when we had the divorce, she just didn't get much money out of it and had to spend it all on getting another house. Oh. So now my dad's paying for all of my college of Well, good, good. And financial aid and scholarships. Uh-huh. I'm a music major, so I have auditions coming up. Yes, well, what year are you in in college? I'm a sophomore. You're a sophomore, so you have a few more years. Right, right, I'll, I'll probably have about, two, two and a half years left.
Uh-huh, well, good for you. Good for you. Yeah, I imagine it, uh, is a little difficult to stick with a budget during that, during school and so it forth. Oh, it sure is. I, I know how much my dad is going to give me every two weeks Yes and I, and I don't spend over that Well, great, great. And sometimes that's a little hard with books and music and, and sheet music and stuff you've got to work on, too. Oh, sure, there's, there's always music books to buy. Lab fees and all, Oh, yes, oh, yes. Well, you're not a starving artist, yet, are you? Oh, no, no,
no. Good. I don't plan on being a starving artist Well, good. That's why I'm in college there's enough of those in the world, huh? Right Good, good, I'm glad to hear that, Wendy. That's usually because they're not real educated. They can't afford to have a really good job. Who's, who's not very well educated? The starving ones. Oh, yes, yes. There's enough out there that if you have, if you're educated enough, then you can make money. That's true, that's true. I found that out.
So that's why I'm planning and, and preparing for the, uh, education of my children, also try and set that money aside. Right. What did you major in? I majored in business administration. Well, good, you know plenty about planning a a budget. Yeah, but, uh, once again, Not very good it's not been a good day I went, I turned mine in about twelve hours early at noon. I don't know. I finished mine up about eleven and left it here with Carolyn so I hope she's turned it in. Are you eating? Uh, I go ahead, I'll stop eating. I just barely got home from the university. No it's,
Say what? I just barely got home from the university. Tell you what we can do is, uh, I can punch the, uh, one, and then after five minutes when the, uh, uh, voice comes on, we can talk all night if we want Okay, go ahead, fire away. Uh, I love the irony of, uh, talking about this subject on April the, fifteenth But, uh, I'm afraid I'm, I'm probably in the minority. I, I actually don't think that we, uh, pay too much in this country. Uh uh, particularly, uh, in this part of the country I agree with you uh, I guess I do have a, a bone to pick with, uh, uh, the way taxes are distributed Uh, I just finished fuming at the fact that we pay an eight and a half percent sales tax and no income tax when the income tax could have been deducted from the federal form Huh. and the sales tax can't. I think that's regressive and, uh, uh, it's kind of dumb. I hate the eight and a half percent sales tax. But, on the other hand, I don't mind that it's only on, you know, things that aren't like groceries and that, it's not on that.
Well, I mean, nobody taxes groceries. Oh, yeah, they do. Where? In Arizona. Is that right? Uh-huh. But we have a pretty low income I mean pretty low tax rate here. Oh, I think the, the sales tax, they just got to do something about it. Right. But that's the politicalness of trying to not create any new taxes. Right But I guess when I hear, when I see the comparison between the United States and, uh, any other western country, uh, their, their rates are like, uh, forty-one, forty-two and ours are like thirty-six, thirty-seven, you know, if you compute as a percentage of total income, all taxes lumped together, we actually do pretty well. there's no other country that's, that is taxed as low as we are. Well and I still think that, having lived in Europe for awhile, you know, difference in living conditions are certainly well worth, uh, what we pay for it. Yeah. Uh-huh. I'm, I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Well, I mean, I think,
I was in Germany, you know, for several years Right. and I'd a lot rather pay taxes here and have what we have, then have to live there. Oh, you mean, lowest end of living in spite of lower, higher taxes. Yeah. Higher taxes. Yeah. I suppose that's true, yeah. Uh, probably less so now than it was ten years ago or whatever but, Still's that way to some extent. Yeah. I think the other problem is, you know, it, it's easy to complain about taxes because there's something you, theoretically, can do something about. Right. But I look, for example, and you're not quite in the same situation but like school taxes for me biggest bargain in the world. Right. I wish I didn't have to pay any more to my physicians in a year than I had to pay for all of my school taxes.
Right. Yeah. Yeah, since, uh, I send my kids to parochial school, that . Yeah, that, that's probably a little tougher on you It's not, it's not quite the bargain that . But, I mean, I pay them gladly. That's a decision, I think it's a dumb decision on our part because countries like Canada and England and Germany do perfectly well with a, uh, two tract system in which religious schools coexist with secular schools with the same tax money. But, uh, I mean, that's, that's the way Americans want to interpret it, I guess that's all right But, yeah. I, and if I were, uh, when I was single and again when I'm retired, I will not mind paying, uh, what it takes to keep the schools good. That's always been a high priority No, I think that's just you though.
I do, yeah, that's true. I think in places, I think in places like California, people are beginning to find that in, in areas that are fairly well off, if you add the, uh, uh, people of various sexual persuasions and those who never intend to marry and those who are retired and those are, uh, just looking for fun, people with families turn out to be such a small minority that they can't get a tax bill passed no matter what happens. Yeah. And, uh, there are big sections of the country where people with children of school age are such a small minority that they can't get anything done. That seems a, a, like a cultural lapse. I mean, people always used to be willing to ante up for the schools. They, Of course, I think with the graying of America, we're going to see that problem in lots of places. Right. Yeah. People would rather, uh, increase the fire department and cut down the schools because it means more to them. But I think it's sad selfish and shortsighted. Or build roads. Yeah. Well, Okay. Wonderful touch tone telephone there. Uh, what kind of books do you enjoy reading?
Uh, haven't, have, I have a wide variety of, of hobbies, therefore, my, my reading pleasures are quite wide. Um, I get a charge out of, uh, TEXAS HIGHWAY, which is, uh, very colorful, and, uh, not being a native of Texas, but being here eleven years have a tendency to, uh, find out the, uh, about the different areas of the of the, of the state by reading it. Oh. Right, I've read that one too. I only had a subscription once, but my mother always gave me hers and I, I really enjoyed, you know, all the little things that you find out about Texas. Oh yeah, it's, it's, uh, absolutely, it's great the way that it's broken out and you can, uh, set up little trips and day trips and things. It's pretty, pretty neat. Um, oh, I like photography, um, magazines. I don't take a subscription or anything like that. Um, things, oh, being an engineer in facilities I do read a lot of, a lot of, uh, building magazines and, and, and plant engineering magazines and, read up on different ways to do things and energy management type of magazines and, and, uh, kind of strange because I, it's not unusual to, uh, see, uh, an engineering manual or something laying around the house Uh-huh. and then I'll sit up and read just to refresh, uh, you know, to keep active on it, but, uh.
Uh-huh. How about yourself? Well, um, I have an interest in art, so I, frequently purchase and read, uh, books, mainly on water color because that's my big interest at the moment. Oh, that's great. And, uh, oh, I guess I like a variety of things, uh, lots of fiction, uh, type books. Uh, right now I'm occasionally reading on a book about, uh, the Mardi Gras in New Orleans and its history. Uh-huh. That's fairly interesting. I bet that would be, rather interesting. Uh, that's, uh, self improvement, that's, that's well, that's kind of a hobby but it is self improvement from the standpoint of probably relaxing, uh. Yeah, I don't know that I read anything strictly labeled self improvement. How about you? Um, well I hate to, yes, I do We, uh, we have these classes we attend, uh, management classes
and, and they give you books and, and the last book, uh, matter of fact I read was, AT AMERICA'S SERVICE by Carl Albrecht . It talks about, uh, who the customer is and being customer oriented, uh, which falls in line with the T I culture here at Texas Instruments. Yeah. Uh, one of its great slogans is if you're not serving the customer, you better be serving someone who is. Uh-huh. Uh, so that's all in self improvement to stay focused on who the customer is and as you probably well know, all of us are our own customer. You're my customer, I'm your customer, sort of thing. Right. Um, every now and then I'm loaned a tape I can stick in the, uh, in the car cassette set on the way home to make the drive more enjoyable, talking about, uh, better outlooks on things and the philosophy of, of Pat Hagerty and these kind of, uh, mind stimulating philosophy type. Which all, you know, betters yourself. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, well, uh, maybe I am into some things occasionally that I don't think of in terms of self improvement. Uh-huh. I mean they are but I don't label it as such. Like what for example. Well, I don't know, um,
I, uh, have attended some seminars that had some tapes that went with them, but, uh, I guess not so much books although they sometimes have manuals and things, but, uh, they would be things on like how to be successful and sort of talking to yourself. You know getting your, yourself in gear to, uh, sort of pull yourself up by your boot straps and do what you really want to do. Convincing you that you need to get on with it. Sure. Sure. How about items like, um, THE ONE MINUTE MANAGER, which used to be a big, okay. Yes. So those are self improvements. Sure. Um, our supervisor, uh, subtly bought all of us a book called WHAT EVERY SUPERVISOR SHOULD KNOW. By a man, man named Doctor Bittel, B I T T E L it Um. and it's a very layman's, uh, uh, approach towards managing different types of people. And the very last chapter, and I haven't figured out why that one was last, is how to manage engineers So it's, it's it's interesting, here again it's, it's casual reading and it's not eaten up with a lot of, uh, mechanical stuff and it's really excellent fast reading and, uh, but as you say it's, it's sometimes it's difficult to, to know if it's, you know, I think if somebody would say hey, read these ten books because these are self-improvements, I would probably be turned off to them. Yeah,
yeah. If he casually just walked into it and, uh, put down a Stephen King book and I picked up one of them I might be a little more interested. I don't know, I'm not sure I could take too much of Stephen King. That's a little, little heavy for me. Yeah, they're, uh, quite, uh, they're hard to set down because it's so interesting and, of course, they're all just a little spookier than the movies, but, uh, it's always, they're always challenging to get through one of them. Yeah. I have a hard time finishing books. Well I guess I also have been reading, uh, a lot of things on, uh, quality improvement and that type of thing because that's what I'm involved in a lot at work. Uh-huh. In quality, especially now days, uh, that's almost everything that comes across the, the, the airways . Oh, yeah, you could almost label everything quality in some sense or other but, uh, I think sometimes the word is a little over used Exactly, exactly right. but, Yeah, we, we have, I think we, we name drop it a little too much and, and don't fully understand what, what it is we're saying.
I think it's just focusing in on the issue and walking your talk and, and all that kind of rolls in together there, Yeah. but, uh, that's just kind of part of it. Okay, well, any other comments. Uh, not that I can think of. Um, I think I'm under my quota a little bit. I need to probably make a phone call or two Well we just started, right. Uh, this is true. I've enjoyed it. Well you too, and uh, good-bye. Have a good day. Good-bye. Bye-bye Okay, um, I don't know about you
but where I am we have a like an extremely lax dress policy at work and it varies like every day. I mean from jeans one day to business suits the next It's pretty bad, but it's true, you know, in they tend to try to be, you know, real lax and supposedly the policy is like, you know, we, you know, we, hire these wonderful creative people and we don't want to smush their creativity, you know. We want to go ahead and let them do what ever they want. And, you know, you really will see people in in jeans one day and business suits the next. Well, I'm kind of that way too. I work in the legal department and where we are now, what we're doing is some very big lawsuits that happen to have a heck of a lot of boxes of documents. Yeah. And I get to toting around boxes of documents several times a day, it always seems like I'm doing that and I can't see getting dressed up and wearing heels and stuff when you have to carry, you know, boxes of documents around, so, if I'm just going to be there working in the litigation center and doing, you know, odds and ends and stuff with the boxes of documents, I dress down. But if we're going to have a meeting, where we're having the attorneys come in, or people from, uh, other party's attorneys and stuff, then I normally dress up. Yeah, and I'll wear a dress and hose and stuff.
Yeah, you know, we're kind of that way too. I try to, I'm the same way you are, I kind of try to judge from day to day. I know, you know, where I am we work a lot with the customers and we have a lot of government folks come in all the time and, and, you know, if I know that they're going to be there, you know, you, I try to really watch it and like you say, you know, really dress up Uh-huh. and if I know they're not, you know, I, I've been doing a lot of reorganization, you know, the last couple of months the same way you are, you know, Uh-huh. and it's just , it's just impossible to crawl down on the floor and dig through boxes in a dress. That's right, that's right. It is and so, As a matter of fact, I thought I had one funny story when, uh, I was at T I the first year or so, we were sent out to our record retention facility to look through two thousand boxes. We had them in the warehouse,
Uh. and at that point, it, the warehouse was over across the road and it wasn't air conditioned, and, it, we were there like in the middle of the summer, it's unair-conditioned, it was dusty and dirty, uh, there was like a fan at the very end of the row and that was it. And so, we didn't really know we weren't supposed to, we thought T I dress code was just dress appropriate to your job, Uh-huh. we wore shorts. We didn't know that was a big no, no. Oh no. And the supervisor from another area came up to us and, you know, this area where record retention is, there's only a few people that work there, and he, he knew who worked there, he should have realized that we weren't regulars in the warehouse there. And he came up to us and he just said, who's your supervisor.
Well he called our supervisor and our supervisor, and our supervisor's supervisor, and it went up all the way to the head of facilities, complaining that we were wearing shorts. Oh no in He didn't at, at least say to us, did you know you're not supposed to do that. That could have alleviated a big problem. We ended up getting called out on it. Oh, how awful. It sounds like Mister Power Hungry. Yeah. You know, just yesterday, though, I saw a girl in the spine out here at Lewisville that had on a pair of shorts. Uh-huh. And I don't care, you can call them split skirts and you can call them culottes all you want but these were shorts. That's all they were. I don't care what else you call them, you know, if they're below the knee, okay, maybe you can call them split skirts. If they're above the knee they turn into shorts, you know.
And these weren't even really full ones. I mean they had a problem out here with it last summer, wearing these shorts that were, you know, the real wide full ones, you know, and these weren't even those. These were like pretty short, black, and they were very dressy, the were black velvet shorts and she had on black hose and black heels and she looked very, very nice. Um. But, you don't wear shorts to work. You know, I mean, as far as I'm considered, she was in violation and nobody says anything to them. It's always been a big problem in Lewisville in the summertime. Um. You know, if they just, you know, the management doesn't ever seem to want to take an, cut off, you know, that no, this is wear we're going to draw the line. This is shorts, you know. Yeah. And, and nobody will ever kind of take control and do that, you know,
Um. so, it always gets annoying because the rest of us are going, well God, we have a pair of those at home too. It sure would be cool and comfortable to wear, you know, but. Well I've seen some people try to just come in like over the weekend because they want to use the TexTeller machine. Yeah. And they have said no Yeah and then during the week you see these women, in the you know, just because you put on a pair of hose with them doesn't make them not shorts anymore, you know. Yeah. I mean I've never seen them do it without hose, I mean they always have hose on, but still, it's, they're shorts, I don't care what you say, they're shorts. Well I think T I's dress code is pretty lax considering everything, anyway, you know, uh. I know, I didn't know that E D S has a very strict dress code, I had a friend, Oh do they really?
Oh definitely. I had a friend who worked there for a year or so and they spell it out. For men it's particular suits, uh, the pin stripe, and the particular colors of shirts and wing tipped shoes. Oh, my God. Oh, it is definitely lined out. Women are not allowed to wear slacks, you wear coordinated suits. I I couldn't afford to work there. And, and a particular kind of shoe, you know, so high heel, oh it is spelled out. Oh, no. When I was looking at her materials when she first started, you know, she had her benefits package and all that kind of stuff. Uh-huh. And it told about the dress code and it said, these are the color pastel shirts you may wear, or white shirts with this kind of stripe in it for the men and this kind of shoe and, hair just this way. T I says no shorts and no halters I know, that's it. Yeah, and E D S is very particular about this, hair cuts,
Wow. I mean it was like you can't have, you know, such and such facial hair, no beards, you know, and just really detailed. I don't know that that would be a good environment to work in. I mean, I see, I, I am more, I don't know about anybody else, and a lot of bosses may say I'm nuts, but I am more productive when I'm in pants. I, I am. I work faster, I get things done faster, than when I'm in a dress and heels, you know, I, and it's weird but I, it's I do, I can, I can get so much more done if I'm dressed comfortable, you know. Well the, the time we were there at the warehouse we felt really bad because we had, uh, another person coming from Washington, our outside counsel. And she was told that we were going to be in a warehouse but she really didn't get the idea that we were in the warehouse part of the warehouse not the office to the warehouse, but the warehouse. Right. And she came with skirts, just like she'd be going into the office. Yeah.
And we'd try, we'd try to say, didn't you bring any pants or anything. We're, we're out here in the warehouse, you know, you, you got your skid of, you know, that wooden pallet of boxes. Uh-huh. and you're going to have unload you skid look at the documents in the, in the boxes and then repack your skid. And she And she was so, she was so hot and miserable, you know, in the skirt. You can't do that in a skirt poor soul. Oh yuck. She finally tried to go buy, you know, a pair of pants but, you know, I mean it was just completely miserable for her. Yeah, that's terrible, that's terrible gosh. Well I don't know, I just figure, you know, yeah, sometimes I worry about, you know, if I go in in pants, and I never, I never ever, ever, ever go in in a pair of jeans, you know. But I'll go in in pants. I mean today I had on a pair of, you know, navy blue dress slacks and, and, uh, like a peach colored top and, you know, not cruddy, but not a dress either.
And sometimes I wonder if stuff like that would, will hold you back, you know, if you don't dress in, you know, your dress for success business suits everyday if, you know, if upper management doesn't notice that and remember that later on, but, you know, I don't know if they do or not. You know, I see a lot of the managers and they're in jeans, so, you know. Some of our people in the legal department, we have, um, assistants to the general counsel and it's funny because, there's one that always wears a suit. A matter of fact, he's never seen without his jacket to the suit on, buttoned. Really, wow. And then there's another one who's, who's a little younger and a little more yuppish and he's always kind of like in the khaki pants and, you know, a shirt, Uh-huh. and sometimes he wears the jacket to it. Yeah. And some of the patent attorneys have been real casual in their clothes and then other ones tend to always wear a suit with a very starched cotton shirt. So that's just, Isn't that funny.
With the, you know, the little suspenders or something on so. We've, we've kind of had a variety there That's great. but, I think a lot of times it's, it's mainly who they're going to meet with, or they're meeting with people that they know is going to be dressed that way then that's how they are. Yeah. If they're just going to be meeting with T I like to talk about a patent kind of thing and the, they're engineers that they're talking too, they dress kind of like how the engineers are dressed and they're usually casual. That's the way to do it. I mean that's the smart way to do it. Yeah. It really is, because your making, you know, if when they're meeting with the engineers who they know are going to be dressed down, if they come in, in, you know, a six hundred dollar three piece suit, it's going to make the people they're meeting with feel very uncomfortable, you know, or it would me, you know. It's one of those slippery attorneys coming in here. Yeah, yeah, look at this slick guy, I wonder what kind of money does he make, uh-huh I can see it now.
Well it was good to talk to you. It was really enjoyable. Yeah, this is, this is kind of a fun project. It really is. I've done some of the other speech programs, but we've never got to talk to another person, it was always just talking to the computer. Oh, yuck, yeah. So this is a little different. Well it's kind of enjoyable, I'm really looking forward to it. Yeah. Well thanks a lot. Okay, bye. Bye-bye. Okay. The question was, um, what, what is your opinion of youth, uh, spending a year or two in, in public service.
I think it would be a great idea. I'm not sure about requiring it, you know, of people, because people are going, you know, feeling resentful. I don't know, but I think it would be a great idea. Yeah. Seems like there's so many kids that don't have any since of, you know, what they want to be or do or, you know, they could learn something and maybe help other people at the same time and we, sure, our country, all countries sure need help so, Huh-uh. Would, uh, would you be more in favor of, uh, you know, like a local, uh, my only experience with it, I was in Central America for a while, and, uh, in San Salvador, in El Salvador, Huh-uh. Huh-uh. For instance, everybody had what they called there social year, that they had to put in Oh, really. and basically it was a, uh, repayment for, for, uh, high school education, Huh-uh. and most of them joined the Red Cross and it was done internally.
I just, there was very little external. I think possibly what, uh, they're thinking about here, more external Peace Corps, Type things where we're sending people off shore. Yeah. Well, I think that would be real interesting for people to do, but, I guess, my concern about that would be the cost involved trying to train people in a new language and ship them, you know, to other countries, Huh-uh. and, but, I don't know. If you did it internally and it was just people in your own country then maybe countries that are so poor that they wouldn't be able to really, you know, send children to do that. Yeah. I didn't know. I don't, I don't know how the Peace Corps works, I, guess I was of age when the Peace Corps came in, and all that. Yeah, I was too. I thought seriously about joining at that time, I thought it was a fantastic idea. Did you ever get any information on it like, I sent off for stuff on it, but I don't remember that much. about it.
I know that they trained you in the language and, um, That's what I was wondering about was whether they actually, You actually got paid too, while in the Peace Corps, it wasn't much, Yeah. but I guess, they, you could put some money aside while you were there, your expenses and, Wasn't Jimmy Carter's mama that was in the Peace Corps? Yeah, I think so, yeah, yeah But it might be interesting to see what would happen if you took kids at a, and then took then to another country instead of having being exposed to all the drugs and violence and sex and everything here, and take them to some other country that had different moral values like Saudi Arabia where they couldn't drink Where they couldn't do that. Yeah, you might end up with a revolution. I don't know which end though. Really Yeah, yeah.
That's, that's been interesting, though, the kids that have been over, you know, coming back right now, you know. Yeah. You wonder if being exposed to that for a while, what percentage of them would actually say, Hey, that's not a bad way to do it, because from what I understand, from some of the guys I know, you know, crime, uh, is punishable, just almost, uh, instantly and public, Public hanging. yeah. Public hanging and this sort of thing, you know, so you don't have just a whole lot of, what we consider street crimes. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that like in China and stuff, there is virtually no such thing as rape, because if you rape somebody you'd be murdered, you know, on the, you know, street so, Yeah. Well, I guess that's, uh, the price of freedom, I guess, is a little, anyway, the, uh, uh, the, the public service thing again I, I, I guess, in my own, having had the whole three or four minutes to, you know, give it a great deal of thought, you know, Um, I, I think I agree with you one hundred percent about it being some sort of voluntary, but when you do that then it becomes almost, uh, a , or it can be, Yeah. You know, there have,
people will kind of set up their own little club, Yeah, that's true. And, uh, but if, you know, People that might benefit most from it might not go in that situation, you know, like people that really are trapped in a ghetto or something like that. Yeah. Might not go if it was voluntary, but I don't know how they'd enforce it, if it was, Yeah, well, if they went AWOL, what are you going to do. Yeah. Shoot them. Put them in jail I don't know. Send them over to Iraq Yeah, right. Have a vacation in Iraq for a year I know my dad always talked about, uh,
he was in C C C during, uh, Yeah. And he was, uh, a rock rib Iowa type republican and the only good thing he could ever say about, uh, the whole Roosevelt administration was, uh, civilian conservation corps, Huh-uh. because he was in it. He thought that was great. Yeah. The rest of it was all hog wash, but that was great. Well, it seems like it would develop pride, you know, in people, if, if, it's in their own country. It would certainly help them to appreciate some of the things that we have here and develop some pride in them, if it was handled that way. I, I, it would take quite a few people. I think it might build jobs for people, you know, that were administrating and running and training and coordinating and all that, so maybe that part of it would be helpful too. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah the only,
Like to have a volunteer come here and rake leaves and mow the grass and Well, you know that brings up the interesting subject too, you know, what would you have, who, who, who would determine what these people do. Yeah, yeah. You know, if, uh, you know, if it's run by the individual state. You know like C C C was run by the army and in effect, Huh-uh. and the only opposition to it really was that it was, you know, starting some sort of a military elitist type, you know, special corps of cadre of people and that sort of thing. Huh-uh. And, uh, when the politics get real confusing, Yeah, really there could be, um, some scandals involved, if, you know, it wasn't people that were really fair and you know, in a legal way or something, Yeah. they could send all the people over to, uh, you know, one particular part of town or one particular project, that somebody had paid somebody to, you know, get supported, or, Yeah. Well, We've gotten to the point where, you know, if, if, well, if the racial make up of the group was such and such, you know, they'd have to do that percentage of work and what is perceived to be that part of town and, you know, That kind of thing.
Yeah. That could be a complicated too, couldn't it. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Suppose, uh, well, you know, they had a group who were construction oriented and they went and they, they built, uh, can't think of a good example, a swimming pool, or anything, you know, and one, you can, you can only build it in one place, you know, and know matter where you build it, somebody else is going to scream, well, you didn't build one over here. Yeah. That's true. Unfair or something, yeah. Yeah. I think, uh, oh, boy It's one of those things on the surface, you know, it seems like a great idea. It's like a joke I heard once about, uh, elephant foot soup, you know, it's easy to do once you find a elephant foot. It's, uh, the logistics of the thing that, uh, gets you going. Yeah.
Really. Yeah. Well, it seems like there's, there's a lot, you don't hear much on the news about young people really, you know, wanting to do anything good or anything like that, but you know, I'm sure that there are a lot of young people out there that really do have good hearts and are willing to help and serve and that kind of thing. I just, I saw on the news the other night that the, uh, the little girl that used to be the littlest girl on the Cosby show, Kisha Knight Pullman, was starting a, I guess now she's practically a teenager, Yeah. She started some type of, um, national organization for youth to volunteer to teach, tutor other kids to read and, you know, do different service projects like that and trying to get youth more directed towards, you know, helpful things, and I know everyone like in the high schools in Dallas, there's a couple high schools that have wanted to start like a, um, minority, you know, I think it was in a Hispanic area, they wanted to start like a club for the teenagers, instead of, they said, all these gangs kids could join to belong. Huh-uh. But they didn't have anything positive the kids could be doing, helping, you know, Yeah. so they were trying to start that out, so if there's people out there that are willing to, you know, kids that are willing to sacrifice their time and energy. Gosh, we ought to use them. You know. If their willing to do it. Yeah. Yeah,
it's, it's , it's just the, you know, here you are to the logistics of the thing again, you know. Yeah. Who's going to run it, you know, what, how, oh, it's just so many Yeah. Like, like I said at the beginning I've got so many connections with people in Central America. My daughter-in-law is Panamanian, you know, Huh-uh. and they have situations like, like that down there. Where they, they have, these, the social, in some sort of way, Huh-uh. if you want to go to school outside the country, and many Salvadorians did, they'd go to school in Cornell, Iowa, of all places, Huh-uh. and when they came back, they'd have to serve this, this year, and it turned out to be kind of a joke, the ones I knew, you know, always chose the Red Cross, because they didn't do anything Oh, I see. And they had all kinds of, uh, things they could go into, agricultural, and you know, Really good stuff,
Yeah. but, uh, unless there was a flood or a fire or something like that, Red Cross, it was so many of them in it, that at any particular chance, your chance of having to do something was, it was very slim. Yeah. Yeah. And so, Well, we, um, belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which is like the Mormon church. Huh-uh. Huh-uh. And, um, there, there is men and also women, women aren't nearly as frequent, and also that have elderly couples once their kids have left, that can volunteer to go on a mission and, um, they're all over the world. And, its incredible logistics, I mean, they have a training center where they teach them, it's called the Missionary Training Center in Utah, and they have, to be taught the language and customs and all those kinds of things, Yeah. and then they, um, you know, go and actually live in that country for the, the, uh, young men do it for two years and the young women for eighteen months. Okay.
Then that's, uh, kind of a private organization, Right. you know, I'm, I'm familiar with, my instructor pilot was a Mormon, he was, he was a good construction, uh, you know, instructor pilot because he considered himself indestructible, Oh, yeah He had a direct connection somewhere, uh Yeah, right He felt that he really had an in so, You know, things he would do with an airplane, Yeah. but any rate that's off the subject, Yeah. But, I, They, they don't get paid for it, and, um, but there is funding that comes, they're supposedly saving up on their own and the church helps them out some, Huh-uh.
but, you know, that it is incredible, you know. I see how they were organized in, Central and South America Yeah. and, uh, it's, uh, Yeah. Okay. I'll let you start first, okay? Okay. We, um, I'm presently living in a house, uh, first time, uh, we had the house built and so this is our, our fifth year in it I guess, and, uh, um, it was a real excitement to, uh, to go out and select the house and have one made and built and like you wanted it, we were the fourth to build out of three hundred and forty houses. And, um, as we did with probably ninety-five percent of the people here in Dallas-Fort Worth we bought a Fox and Jacobs home, and they're good for about five years or four years and after that they start falling apart. So, I would, uh, not recommend F and J house for my dog to live in, uh, because they're overpriced, uh, but they're a cheap house. If you can't afford something good, you know,
they're good for that, and, um, you can call it a home because it's a place to go home and keep the rain off your head, but as far as the costs for what your getting, uh, the longevity of the house is not, uh, is not worth it. How about in your case? Well, in my case my husband is not a carpenter, but, in fact, he's in electronics, but he knew the only way we'd ever have a new home is if he would build it. So it took him about two and a half years, but, uh, he built us a house, it's, uh, we have thirty-two hundred square feet, and it's a brick house, and price-wise, it was great because he did it all himself, you know, so that way he could, we could kind of control, in, control it, Uh-huh. and, uh, we live in kind of a small town, Uh-huh. and I mean it's nothing fancy, you know, it's, it's a house, it's nice,
and it's real pretty and we're all comfortable in it. Well, that's great, that's great, that's, uh, I've heard, I have another gentleman, friend of mine, who, uh, who had a house built as a matter of fact another guy is building one now, he's been doing it for three years and the city's a little upset with him, but I understand you save a lot of money off, uh, by doing that, and, uh, Oh, you can because that way your not having to pay the middle men and everybody else. Nothing wrong with that, You know. uh, I'll vouch for that. Um, But, uh, of course, my husband did everything except my brother's a trim carpenter, and he came in, you know, and did the inside for us,
and that helped. That was a big savings. And, uh, yes, and, uh, we had to hire, of course, the plumbing and the brick and everything else, nothing, you know, Well, that's great. uh, have you been in it long? Oh, really, well, have you any plans to, uh, maybe, uh, expand or move onward? no, we're, well, uh, our kids are kind of still small now, and we had thought before maybe a lot older we don't need such a large house that we'll sell it, but he will not build a second one himself. Because he says age-wise he'll never be able to handle that again I see, well, First one is always a bear. Yes, yes. We're having a, an architect friend of mine design a house for us
and that can basically be, be put on any lot, in any state, any you know, so that's kind of, we just got with him and told him what all we wanted, Oh. Uh-huh. and he's charging us about a buck a square foot to design it and he's certified, and registered so at least we know we're, it's not going to fall in or something if it's built. Yeah, oh. But, uh, I have heard that your approach is, is right, you can actually go out and sub it, if, even if you don't want to get hands on, Uh-huh. you can even just sub it out to concrete and those kind of things and, and that's kind of the plan I have so, I'm, uh, Yeah. everyone I talk to, uh, I file in my little book and do other things with it . That's great, that's great. But, uh, like I said otherwise, you know, the expense,
but, you know, we could not have one as large as we have if, you know, we hadn't did it ourselves. Sure, I can imagine. Yeah, I mean it's not an Eldorado house or anything like that, but, you know, it's ours. If your happy with it, that's all that counts. That's right. That's right. That's all, you only have to, uh, satisfy yourself and no one else. apparently the appraisers likes it because our taxes sure is high Oh, that's, uh, that's, uh, an encouraging sign if you ever want to resell, I guess. Isn't it? It really is because I, I'm always shocked at about, you know, what they have it appraised at, I think, oh my goodness. Well that's great. Well, yeah, I guess that about does it.
Okay, and it was nice talking to you. Nice talking with you, too. Okay, bye-bye. Bye. Okay, I think we're supposed to discuss our view of the Soviet Union as a continuing threat to the United States. Okay. How do you feel about that. I don't really, I more, I don't know about the government as much as, uh, the people, uh, I wouldn't consider to be a threat at all and I really don't feel much like the Soviet Union itself is a threat anymore. I'm, I'm worried about them. They're in a very, uh, tumultuous state right now with the kinds of, uh, adaptations that they're attempting to go through, uh. I'm concerned about them not as a military threat, but as a burden. They're very large Yeah.
and they can become very quickly a large financial burden, as, as one more stepchild we have to carry around. Yeah, I think that's, that's a real important aspect and that, uh, as the, the the most, the let's see, the more that we do, that we do or that we can do to help them become self-sufficient is going to eliminate more of the risk of that becoming, uh, you know, a reality. I know that, uh, this last winter was very hard on, uh, several areas in the, in the, the Ukraine, particularly the coal mining regions of Siberia, uh, the people there have money, that's not their problem, but there's no food for them to buy, and its, you can't eat money. And they have, a, a problem, their, their whole attitude, uh, I, I'm not sure which crop it was, but they had a crop that rotted in the fields because they couldn't get anyone to harvest it. Yeah. And the people in the city were saying, well why should I go do that. Make the government do that, that's not my job. Right, they've got a lot of adjustments to make with coming out of what they've been through now, and, uh, they've been, they've been under, under the oppression that they've been under for so long that now they have some freedoms but they don't know how to act yet.
They don't understand that to make that work, they've got to take some responsibility for themselves. It's not just the government's responsibility anymore. You can't just blame it on the government when they give you the freedom to take care of yourself then that puts some responsibility on you as well. Absolutely, and, and I think that they're having a hard time with the concept of you can not go back. People only go forward and I think that that is giving them, I'm expecting a call and unfortunately, I think it's come through. I've enjoyed talking to you. Okay. Thank you, bye, All right, bye-bye. Real problem the last few days, one of their, uh, young hopeless stars has apparently ruined his knee for this season, it was a catcher. Uh-huh. And they really don't have an excess of catchers
and it's really kind of, kind of late to, you know, to start, be trying to trade for somebody, especially with the salary cap that the Rangers have. Yeah. They're not the highest paying ball team around. Oh no, no, they're not, are they. But I, you know, I would, I would gladly take the salary of most of the guys, I'll tell you. Oh, goodness, I would too, even the bench warmer, I would. Yeah, that's right. I really haven't been an active Ranger fan in several years. I used to go, take my son, you know, when he was in high school, he enjoyed going to baseball games. Uh-huh. I'll have to admit I kind, I kind of went more to see, to see the other team a lot of times than I did the, did the Rangers, Uh, yeah. But, I think they're doing better. Well, I do to, uh,
I have boys, you know, like eight and eleven and we go quite often, to watch the Rangers. Yeah, I can imagine. I used to love to play baseball when I was a kid. Uh-huh. Oh yes, we're heavy into that too. I think it's more fun to play than it is to watch. Oh, I do too. Yeah. And I think, uh, what caught so many of our attentions last year was that Nolan Ryan, you know, yes. Oh of course, of course. As a matter of fact I read in the sports page this morning, he just pitched his first, uh, exhibition game a day or so ago, Uh-huh. and he pitched five, uh, yeah, five full innings. That was almost unheard of for a pitcher to, you know, to start out that strong.
Yeah, yes, uh-huh. no big deal, you know, it's just part of a day's work. Yeah, I know it, yeah, yeah. He's something else, he really is. He really is an, you know, as far as predictions and stuff, I really think the Rangers may come out real strong this year. They could do very well, they sure could. They because I don't know but last year I just figured they was under a lot of pressure because of all the publicity and everything, Uh-huh, uh-huh,
right. I really do. Yeah, they've got, uh, I guess all, well all their players are signed now. Some of them are not too happy about it but there, there's no hold outs. Yeah, yeah at least, that should help, So that should help. it sure should. Yeah, it should, uh-huh. But in a way, I really do, and of course, there's a few more, you know, I think are good ball teams also. Oh yeah, sure. Like Oakland A's and the Giants I really do.
Sure, sure, uh-huh, Cincinnati. Yeah, there sure are. I like to go watch the Giants when they come to Houston some times. Uh-huh, uh-huh, that's right. But, uh, I've never seen the Astros play. Oh you haven't? Huh-uh. Oh, I have a few times. Uh-huh. Uh, they're a good ball team. That's right. They really are. They sure are.
Wouldn't it be something to have a World Series between the Rangers and the Astros. Oh, wouldn't it, wouldn't it though Boy, I tell you that would draw a crowd, wouldn't it. Wouldn't it. It sure would. Oh my goodness, we might actually get to go to a World Series, huh. That's right, wouldn't that be something. Oh, yeah. It sure would. That's something you dream about. Absolutely. But there are a lot of Ranger fans around. Oh, there sure is and, uh, that, I mean they really are. Uh, now Incavalia I don't know how familiar you are with him but, last year I was kind of thinking he sure did get in a slump. Yeah.
But they're saying this year, their predictions is that he's really going to come out of it and, be on top. Uh-huh, yeah. Uh-huh, boy, he's a bull, isn't he? Isn't he though, He really is gosh. he sure is. He either hits home run or strike out. Uh-huh, that's right. There is not ever a in between for him. That's right, it's kind of like Babe Ruth. Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah, they were saying something about this may be his last year with the Rangers though. Apparently I think his contract is up after the end of this year
and they're not sure they're going to be able to sign him again. To sign him again, yeah. Huh. Yeah, that, you know, may or may not happen. Yeah, oh you never know. That's right, it's a long way away. That's sure if you offer them money, I'm sure they'll, they'll do a little bit of everything. That's right. That's right, unfortunately the Rangers don't spread it around quite as big as some of the other teams do. No, no, no, like that Joe Hosago you know. Yeah, that's right.
I mean, oh. Is there going to be a ticket increase this year, price, do you know. I hadn't heard. I haven't either, I, I really haven't, uh, The, uh, those Cowboys have increased their prices again this year. Oh yeah. But I didn't know, I, I don't think I've heard anything on the Rangers, or I don't remember it if I have. Well I hadn't either, Yeah. We hadn't, you know, like I said, we, I don't even guess they've even thought about sending the schedules out yet. Yeah, I guess it's too early. Yeah, because we usually get one. We usually order our tickets way in advance.
Uh-huh, it's a good idea, yeah. We, we try to go so often. Uh-huh, yeah if you have young, young children, you know, they, they get a kick out of it. Oh, they do. Uh-huh. Well, I've enjoyed talking to you. Well you too Lori And, we'll hopefully we'll get to talk again. Right, you take care. Okay, bye-bye. Okay, bye-bye. okay. What, what is,
do you have a favorite recipe? Um, yeah, that's what it said to discuss some maybe a recipe, well, it says, why would you, what you would have for a dinner party. Um, this is strange because I pressed one and I thought it said begin. Oh. Okay, maybe, maybe we're all set. Okay, we'll talk for five minutes, they interrupt at the end. Um, yeah, it says what you would have for a dinner party, I just happen to plan one out for Saturday I'll tell you, what I'm going to have. Um, if I can find it. Oh, that's wonderful. Okay. Well, I have this new fondue pot and I was going to do basic cheese fondue, and I have two different kinds of breads and some ham
and I was going to try something weird which, you know, when you have fish au gratin, I was going to make some, uh, like fish chunks and dip it in the fondue. I don't know if it will come out. That's, what kind of fondue, the cheese dip or, Yeah, the cheese fondue I make, some people like swiss, um, I prefer cheddar. And I'll mix, I won't make, I won't have a sharp cheddar because it, for fondue I think it should be a little calmer than real sharp, cheddar. Right. Yeah. And then I was going to make other things like potato skins. Oh, that sounds good. see you don't necessarily have to dip this stuff. And, um, I was going to have broccoli and cauliflower for a, a vegetable. That's always a good thing. Vegetable trays always go over so well, because I think people get tired of eating junk.
I mean, I think they like to have healthy stuff too, you know it's, Oh, yeah, it's amazing how vegetables trays will go at a party. Oh, definitely. I think better even than, than other kinds of food Yeah, instead of something greasy or, Right, exactly. Yeah. my, uh, girlfriends do catering and they always, about every party they do is they have a vegetable tray. I think they try and suggest it. Uh-huh. What I've been doing when I get invited someplace and bring something, I make, uh, food kabobs. You take little toothpicks and cut up, uh, pineapple and strawberry, and even banana if you can do it just before you leave. Oh. Yes. Right.
It stays nice and fresh. Right, that's true. Or even have you ever seen where they, they'll take a watermelon and just cut the top out of it and then hollow that out, and then put the fruit in the watermelon that is really neat . Yeah. Yeah, I like those Yep. Um, they, they made a couple of those, uh, they made one for my, uh, bridal shower and I was pretty pleased. I never made one for myself though. But they look easy enough to make it's not, Oh, I think it would, it would be a lot of work but, um, you know, because it's, you know, Yeah. you have to cut each thing or, you know, use the melon baller and stuff but, but I think they're really neat and, you know, I think they're worth the time, you know, because they,
Yeah, you probably get this, probably pretty sticky after you get done. Oh, yeah Then you've got to drain the water out of the watermelon because, you know, when you scrape it, it makes the water. Right. Yeah. Yeah, um, something I do is a fruit, is, I'll get, um, make chocolate sauce and dip strawberries and bananas in them. Yeah, I have two nieces and they, they they go melt some chocolate chips, Go buy me some strawberries. Is that, is that good? You know, I've seen that so many times, strawberries dipped in chocolate but I've never tried it, are they really good? Yeah, you know, if you get a sweet strawberry they're much better, but if you get a sour strawberry,
Oh, I bet it doesn't mix well, does it? Huh. Yeah, no, they, um, the strawberries are coming in season now from , they're, they're coming up from Florida, of course. I live in Vermont, so. But they're really reasonably priced, they're coming up from Florida, so. Oh, well, that's good because I know they've been really expensive lately. Because they weren't in season, Yeah. of course, they had to be, be, uh, grown in greenhouses and stuff and in , Yeah, I think the, uh, actually I think they get, um, some of them from South America. Oh, is that right? Yep, they, a lot of, um, of a, um, winter produce comes from South America. Oh, I .
Of course, their seasons are switched. Uh-huh. Right. So, um, do you want to discuss the recipe? Well, I have a recipe if you want Okay, sure, Um, it filled , a lot of people try to stay away from this but I make my own homemade pudding just because I don't like box pudding. Is that right? I've never heard of that. Yeah, it, and it if you, um, well, first of all I take about a quarter and a half of milk and I put it in a two quart saucepan and you put it on a really low heat. Uh-huh. And you want to use one of your good sauce pans that dissipate the heat because it, it ends up burning,
I mean, no matter how careful you are you still might get a film on the bottom of the pot. Uh-huh. I don't let that worry me. And I get the milk lukewarm and then I pour about a half a cup of cornstarch in it and I have this thing it's called the slender blender, it, it makes the, uh, it makes, uh, a whip topping out of milk if you get the milk cold enough. It's, uh, I don't know, they're called moo goo leaves or something they're I think I know what you're is it like a hand held? Yeah. They're real neat. The, yeah, okay. I think they're real reasonably priced, some of them, they used to be a hundred dollars
and they used to whip skim milk into a dessert but I didn't get that one, I got the Black and Decker kind. But, uh, it's real handy because it doesn't have a cord and you beat this cornstarch right into the the milk, you know, and it does an excellent job, or just hand beat it. I guess you could use a hand mixer but I don't think it I don't think it gets it good enough. Uh-huh. Huh. And then before the milk gets too hot, um, I add two beaten eggs and I really mix them in good. And then about a half a cup of sugar and I let it pretty much, I beat it like every minute for about ten seconds and it's, it starts thickening, when it thickens the cornstarch might get a little, I don't know, it gets like little globs of this rubbery cornstarch, and you just keep beating it in. And it's the, the trick is, is to have this blender, so, if you were,
you'd have to probably almost go out and someone who's just going to make it first time, it's, you'll have much better luck if you had one of these little blenders. And then you can add cocoa powder to it to make chocolate or after it's thickened I cook it for a good, once it starts boiling, I just, I cook it for a good seven minutes, seven to ten minutes Uh-huh. and then you can make chocolate or you can take it off and let it cool you put, um, really good vanilla favoring in it and some butter and that makes french vanilla, um, custard. Yeah, Oh, wow. That is really interesting. Are you saying to use like, um, for chocolate like, unsweetened, A chocolate powder. unsweetened? Yeah, that cocoa, yeah, the unsweetened. It comes in like a real dark can,
Yeah. our mothers used to use it. And then, I have some Yeah, we all used to, I just want to, yeah , it's the unsweetened kind it's not like Nestles Quik. Right. Okay. I suppose you could use that. Cooking chocolate. Yeah, but, um, That's really interesting, I've never heard of anybody making their own pudding before that's really neat. Well, I used to make the regular pudding, the chocolate and put it in the pie shell and if it would sit in the refrigerator for a day, where you cut the pie, it would soak into the pie shell
and it was like red, and I'm like, oh, this is kind of groedy . Well, how did you get a recipe for pudding on your own? Um, actually I found it in one of my mother's, um, homemade cookbooks, I mean, something she had collected out of WOMAN'S DAY or something. Is that right? Oh, neat, So, that is just really neat. Because I, I think you couldn't make it with a hand whisk or, or a regular beater but, um, It would probably be a lot more work and probably not turn out as good. Yeah, but I still think a beater would do it good enough, um, the trick is to get the cornstarch, Uh-huh. um, yeah , right in the, in the lukewarm milk.
Sometimes I put the cornstarch in a separate bowl and I would put it in the sink and I'll take my lukewarm milk and put it in the cornstarch and beat it good. It seems to be better than putting the, the cornstarch into the liquid it, once it hits the top of the liquid it seems to make little balls and stuff on the top. So you put the milk in the cornstarch? Yeah. And I'll do this, uh, sometimes I'll put my after I pour that into my, back into my saucepan. I'll put the eggs in the same dish and beat them up and then pour the cornstarch and the milk mixture in the egg. So, And then put that back in the saucepan? Yep. And then, you know, if you can put your cocoa in with your cornstarch if you wanted to. The cocoa even seems to thicken it even more. Huh that's, Because by the vanilla doesn't seem to thicken as well as the, sometimes the cocoa is like, my husband really likes it thick he says, I can stick the spoon right in this. Oh.
Because I'm always worrying it won't firm up because it, when you take it out of the saucepan it's like, boy, I hope this thickens a little more because it's not like real package thick, you know, when you cook a package, it's, it's a little less, Uh-huh. but I put it in a nice glass bowl and, um, some people don't like that, that, film on the pudding so you can put, uh, Saran Wrap over the top. Uh-huh. And then once the pudding starts cooling it makes little balls of water on the Saran Wrap, so, when you pull the Saran Wrap back, you sort of should be a little careful, pull it back and shake the water off the Saran Wrap and I might put it back on. But, um, Do do you put it in the refrigerator then or Yeah, after, well when it starts steaming a lot, uh, I definitely, yeah, put it in the refrigerator, Uh-huh. but, um, I, my father always told me if you put hot food in your refrigerator you're going to make it work too hard. Right, that's true.
I knew that. That's , yeah, Yeah. so, that's why I do that. Yeah. So, well, I don't know that's my, my great hard recipe. Okay, have you ever served as a juror? Never. I've never been served on the jury, never been called up in a jury, although some of my friends have been jurors. Uh-huh. I never have either. You haven't, huh. If you were, uh, what do you think about the whole concept of a trial by your peers? Well, I think it's a good idea. I think our justice system needs a major overhaul, and I'm not sure what needs to be done to fix it. But I think they've got a lot of problems.
I think the major thing they need to correct is how long it takes something to get to jury, and to get to trial. True. And I don't know if that's just a pure volumes number or, or what, but, uh. Sometimes I think the jury is ignorant in the facts of law and how things should be determined, and they're too easily swayed by their emotion. Yeah, I think that's true. Hence is possible error as you can see in all the IRONSIDES, T V shows. Yeah. Do, would you prefer all trials by a judge? No, I think there are certain things that, uh, the jury can determine as far as, uh, guilty or not guilty, but as far as the affixing of punishment and fines and things of that nature, I don't know if that is best left up to the jury to to award, you know. Two point two million dollar kind of settlement versus a judge knowing, you know, it's true that, you know, this may be sad and all that thing, but, uh, the jury I think is best, in most cases, suited for determination of guilt and innocence, but not the award of, of penalties and fines and punishment. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think you're I think they sometimes get carried away by the circumstances and make huge settlements thinking well it's only going to cost the insurance company, and,
Uh-huh, that's true. But, uh, I do like the idea of the jury being the, the people who decide in the matter of, uh, if it's a jail term versus life and death you know, the death penalty and such. Uh-huh. If they give them all the information. I don't know, when it comes to sentencing phase, I guess they tell them if a guy, if the person has a previous record and stuff. Uh-huh. Sometimes it seems like during the trial part, the jury's not, you know, misses some of the best evidence because they make them leave, and the judge decides whether or not they should hear it. Right. Yeah. Uh, it, it, it's kind of difficult, and I guess the whole system is set up to rather let, uh, some guilty people go free than to put an innocent person in, in jail although you still hear about those occasionally. Right. Yeah. Do you think the verdict should be completely unanimous by the jury? Um, I don't know. I, you know, I heard a very interesting, and maybe it's just the T V show or movie I was watching,
they were going through a trial, and I think it was like on one of the, the documentary T V shows where they ask for the, the verdict by the jury Uh-huh. and they went by each one, saying guilty or innocent, guilty or innocent. Uh-huh. And they took it more as just like a majority. Oh. So I, I, Some of them disagree, I mean, some of them said one way and some the other. Exactly, but they took, you know, whatever the majority was. So I didn't know if that was just something for drama or that's truly the way it is. I always thought it had to be unanimous. I think it does have to be unanimous. But, uh. Rather interesting. I know they can poll a jury, make sure everybody agrees with what they said the verdict was, but I thought that they all had to agree or else they, it was a hung jury. Uh-huh.
And, I did, I did also. Yeah, I I don't know how I feel about that. I think maybe, uh, majority might be sufficient. Uh-huh. It's hard to say though. What about in international trials. Do you think they should have a jury there? Oh. I think that would be kind of interesting. Yeah, I hadn't thought about international trials at all. I guess the, the problem with that is there's no true authority in any kind of international verdicts like, you know, the old day with the rack. Right. We, they're going to say, Okay, you're guilty and you have to pay Kuwait four million dollars. Well, whose going to really make them. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah,
So. But I think it would be kind of interesting to incorporate that concept of, you know, people from different countries, uh, in as international law also. Yeah, I think maybe they'd need to be more knowledgeable though than just your average Joe off the street for something like that because of the cultural differences. Things like that. Uh-huh. Right. I don't know how, what it would take to be, come up with a true perfect system, or if one exists. But, Yeah. Uh, is that the crime and it's already, some chart and determine the punishment, or. Yeah, like if you're convicted of a certain crime you automatically get so many years. It's not a discretionary thing. Uh-huh. I think there should be a core minimum that they get Uh-huh. but, uh, I guess there should be some flexibility because every situation may be unique, that the judge can either increase that or keep it just at its minimum, things of that nature. But, Yeah.
I wish that when they sentence someone, if they're going to sentence him to five years, then make him serve five years. Yeah, that serves a kind of if they're, I guess, uh, if you sentence someone to life, life is only forty-nine years, something like that. Yeah, I, And I guess you're eligible after twenty-seven for parole, even though you're in for life. Yeah, and sometimes those people are, are young enough, they can still get out and cause a lot of trouble. Yeah, although I guess it's, you, you want them to rehabilitate and become better rather than sitting in there and being a drain all the time. Yeah, I don't believe that very often happens. No. Because uh, inside the jail there, I don't think there's no real rehabilitation. I don't think so either. In fact, I think they end up worse, because the conditions are so bad. Yeah, it's another war zone. Yeah.
But, who knows. I think, I think maybe they ought to just be punished with some, some kind of real punishment, like hard labor for a shorter length of time, you know. I agree, get them out there, Actually make them do something that's not pleasant and do it and get it over with and get back in the, you know, world and not spend so much time sitting around, letting the bad influences of the other ones rub off on them, and, Sure, they should have them go out and doing stuff. Cleaning up, or picking up dirt, or weeds, or who knows what. Something for the, for the state, Yeah. since the state is paying for them, they should get some kind of, kind of work out of them. Yeah. Something besides license plates and tiddlywinks. Exactly. Yeah. Trading their lives for cigarettes those kinds of things. Yeah. Well good. Well, I think that covers it. I think so. Nice talking to you.
Nice talking to you also. Bye. Have a wonderful Easter. You, too. Bye. Bye. Well, how many credit cards do you have? Um, I've only, I've got about four maybe. I try to limit them because I, well one, I don't use them too much. And I use my Visa just for for about everything, and I pay it all off. So I try not to, I just use it for free money for thirty days basically. Sounds like we have no conflict. We had, for a while I was carrying one card and my wife was carrying a different one. And since the slips all look alike, uh, you commingle them and then you get the statement and you try to sort them out, uh,
and it, uh, it caused more confusion about it. I finally said, Gee, this is kind of a waste of time. And then when A T and T came along and offered a free one, uh, I accepted that, and we've been using that one. Uh, the interesting thing is, is that, uh, the amount of money you can can run up on them. I don't know, do you know any people that run up big, big bills? I'm, I'm you know, I'm in the age group you get out of college, and I think a lot of these people have them maxed out. Well, did, um, were you able to get one while you're in college? Um, I don't think I ever tried. Just curious, because I have a son that's a senior this year, and he's heading off, with any kind of luck, but there has been, I've had a couple of ads for, for, for to provide a card for a college student. Uh, what do you think about the idea of providing one for somebody like that? Um, well, yeah, I, I, you know, it's, you know, feasible,
I mean, I know a lot of college kids who have them, you know, who had them, but just depends. Well, that, that, that, I guess from the, from the card issuer, uh, that since, since it's, it's in, the parent gets it for them, that really the parent becomes the one that's responsible, but it's, Yeah, so basically if you want to take the risk Yes, it's whether the parent wants to take the risk. It's your risk, do you trust, your, your son, Yeah, to, to go run up a big bill and, the thing is, there some advantages, if he got off some place and stranded. Uh-huh. I, I'm, I'm leaning towards doing it for, for a convenience, Uh-huh. I'd say, you know, have one with, you know at least a thousand dollar credit limit or something. Yeah, and the idea that, you know, if he got in trouble, there's some, some ways of getting out, and that he doesn't have to carry cash. The, uh,
I, I like the idea of credit cards that, uh, I don't, I don't, I don't carry cash around, and, and, uh, I don't even carry checks around. I let my wife take the checkbook, and she writes the checks, and I record them. So it's, uh, it's, uh, it's, but it's interesting that, uh, the people that can, that can, uh, the amounts of money you can run up on, on credit cards, and, uh, I, I had recently had some dealings with a fellow that they had run up, he was making, oh, considered a modest salary for an engineer, and he had run up, uh, more than a years salary in, in various debts to, and he wound up declaring bankruptcy but there, it, it's hard to believe that you'd run up twenty, thirty thousand dollars of, uh, well, it was a combination of things he had, Uh-huh. there were, there were several credit cards, and then there were several other businesses, The, the extended loan payment for your car. Yes, yeah. Yeah. I saw that.
The interesting thing about that is, is that, uh, that, that they're encouraging you to incur more, incur more debt, and, Well, it's, it's, it's business, and they're making money off that. And they make more money if you extend your loan. Yeah, and, and it's, so it's business, so, and you notice that they're, they're only going to do it to like cars that are one or two years old. Yes. And so they've already shifted the risk. If they assume that car, then they just have to sell it themselves, and they'll recover the loan, And they know that people own a car that new unless absolutely die of service *listen; can't be right transcription they're not going to keep on if the car were older. Uh-huh. The interesting thing about it is is that from a, uh, uh, an economy standpoint or in economics, I, I thinks it's, I think it's poor, poor, uh, economics to, to carry all that consumer debt at least from a tax standpoint, Yeah. so. It's interesting that, that the American public is encouraged to incur all that debt and then next year none of it will be deductible, and this year it's ten percent or so.
Yeah, uh. It's, uh, it's interesting that, that, uh, they encourage us to do things, What, now what's ten percent, we can deduct, I think ten percent, yes. I didn't know that. Of your, of your consumer credit. Oh, if you had a thousand dollars, that means there's another hundred dollar deduction I've given you. I didn't think you could, any thing on a loan or, I mean a mortgage I know you can, Yeah, it's on, uh, yeah. Yeah, on the, the, there's, there's, there's a place for consumer debt and then you take ten percent of it, on the, Oh, I've never itemized yet. Oh, okay,

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