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Well, I have a V C R and I see most all of mine there. What have you seen recently that you enjoyed? Uh, I don't know, um, actually earlier tonight we were watching TO LIVE AND DIE IN L A. Have you seen that movie? No, I haven't. It's a kind of one of those psycho ones. Now, I, I live alone. Consequently, I don't like these psycho things. Oh, it's not too bad. One of those cop thrillers but, Oh, okay. Have you seen the if, do you have a V C R? Yes, we do.
Have you seen the movie CLASS ACTION with Gene Hackman? Uh, no, I haven't yet. I saw it this weekend and it is, uh, to me an outstanding movie. I thoroughly enjoyed it. He is, uh, an attorney and his daughter is an attorney and she has a suit against his company. You know, it's one of those things. Yeah, that, But there's a lot of well, it's just it's something that anyone can watch and enjoy. He's a good actor though. Beg your pardon? Um, Gene Hackman's a good actor. I think. Yes, he is. Do you see HOOSIERS? Yes.
I've seen HOOSIERS. Saw it just again the other night, for, Yeah, actually I, we saw her just the other night too. Oh, did you? Yeah. It's one of our favorite movies. I, I live with, um, a roommate and my girlfriend the three of us. We've seen that movie probably six times in the last six months. Have you seen the movie, um, CROSSING DELANCY? Yeah. Now, that's one I have watched, oh, six or eight times. I always feel so good when I get through with that movie. Yeah, I like those movies that you watch time and time again. I do too. DIRTY DANCING and CROSSING DELANCY are two of my favorite. So, well what business are you in? I'm, I'm an electrical engineer. Oh.
In New Hampshire. All right. I work in Massachusetts actually. Oh, all right. Okay. So is everything going all right up there? Um, it's only about, um, half an hour. I live on the border. Oh, well that's that bad then. Half an hour, we do that just going to downtown Dallas. That's right. So, See we live up in tax free New Hampshire and drive down to Massachusetts to work. That makes a lot of sense But, um, we, are you a native of that part of the country? Yeah, I grew up in New Hampshire. It seems, southern town, it's called
It's, I don't know, fifteen minutes from the border and five minutes from the main border. *main = Maine? We live right in the corner. Oh. That one little spot in New Hampshire, we have ten miles of coastline, I live on one of that little ten mile spot. Uh, sounds wonderful. Did you have damage this year with hurricanes? Not up, um, where I live but further down the coast in Massachusetts they got hit pretty bad. I happened to be in Nassau and we got the backlash of that thing. And they had record high waves, thirty year high waves come in there, and it was quite an experience so. Well, what movies are you looking forward to seeing now? Um, well, I'm, I'm only twenty-seven years old so THE DOORS movie, that's out on video. I want to watch that. Okay. Have you seen GREEN CARD? That would be pretty good.
No, I haven't seen that one. That's a real warm movie. It, it really just turned out nicely. So I would recommend that if you have a chance. I'm in for it. We rent a lot of movies so we, we often sit around and say, what movies should we rent? And we don't know. Well if you, if you can get GREEN CARD, go for it. All right, we'll try that one. I have been working at, uh, as an accountant at the medical school here in Dallas and I have watched, uh, GROSS ANATOMY. Have you seen that one? Yeah, I did. Okay. And I don't know I can associate with some of the people in that movie because of the young students I see over at the medical school.
But I hope you have a very Merry Christmas. You too. I'm looking forward to it. I think we're going to have a white Christmas up here just like the song says. Well, Uh, well, uh, to begin, I guess, uh, space is, uh, real important, I think, so it's real vital to the future of not only our kids but every generation until the end of time, I guess. So. Yeah, I, I agree Uh. it's definitely new frontier stuff. So, uh, but, uh, I'm not too up-to-date on the space, on the space frontier, but, uh, I guess they're going, going pretty far into it now. Um, Star Wars is not too far I don't think. But, uh, I, I, I worked on some of it at T I once upon a time. Oh, have you.
Yeah. So what do you know about it. Well, actually I'm, I, I'm quite versed lately. I get on a computer network all the time, and people are talking about, about the current space program all the time. They're talking about new rockets that they're designing now that, you know, are just like science fiction, you know, it's like they, take off, you know, and then they land, with the, with the, you know, the afterburners are going, you know, not like space shuttle landing, you know, gliding down, but straight down to the landing pad. Really. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, it's called V C X or something like that. Also called Delta Clipper, which is a decent name for something like that. Wow. Well, I don't know. You think you'd, you think you'd, uh, go up in space if you had a chance? Oh, yeah Do you, I think I would.
I think that'd be neat. I think I would just sitting here talking about it, but if the time came, it'd be real nervous. I'd be scared, scared me worse than Six Flags roller coaster. That'd be pretty hairy. Well, you know, I had a car, uh, uh, a tire come off of a car, so you know, I, like I know what it's like to Yeah, imagine. Depending on what was left of my technology to get me home Right, right. So, well, I guess they're talking about people going to the moon and stuff, now, wherever. And opening up those stations, whatever, filling them. Yeah, they're talking about doing that again, too. Uh-huh. I don't know if we'll ever see that up there. Well at least we're going to have a space station supposedly in the next few years. Oh, really.
Yeah, and they're going to put, That's all beyond my imagination really. Yeah. But, science fiction books, I mean, you look at the Jetsons, you know, cartoon show, and it's not too far fetched what, what they all had in those cartoons, so you never know. Oh, yeah, yeah. Any of that stuff from the Jetsons, from that cartoon, that you would never imagine would come, become possible, and now you, we have a lot of those, so, Uh-huh. So you never know what, what may occur, but as far as me seeing it, you know, I don't know Yeah. I don't know, but I think it's real vital important for the future, you know generations to come, Uh-huh. so. Yeah,
I, uh, it's, it's, it's something definitely that, uh, you know, it's, it's, uh, got the extra little oomph of interest. Yeah. Uh. I'm sure it'll draw a lot more interest too, once it becomes, you know, like it's more possible, but when they start showing the drawings and all that, I'm sure, you know, when they, Yeah. Yeah, I wish, uh, like, uh, Boeing or McDonald Douglas or something like that was supposed to buy, uh, a space shuttle sooner or later and just make it, you know, purely commercial Right. Uh-huh. and they'd go up, you know, and do things and, So did they scratch those, uh, that Star Wars deal, you know, they one we was all worried about the "they" in this sentence should probably be a Russia and all that? Oh. No, it's still probably going, but I don't know whether, it, it, research will go on.
Yeah, but the economy the way it is all over, they probably cut back on on that, because it's not, Oh, yeah. Well, they're, they're going to be cutting back so much on just, you know, the number of troops we've got in Europe and the number of troops we have here. Right. Yeah, I know, and then, But, uh, Russia's still going to have missiles, they're still going to be subs and things. Yeah, and we don't know who's handling them now Yeah. so that's a whole different story now. Latest I heard it was just going to be Russia that, Russia itself that was going to have them. Oh, really. At least that was, you know, that's what everybody says. Oh, yeah, yeah, we want only Russia to have them.
Uh-huh. And now they're saying, Yeah, yeah, you're a republic, you don't want those, you don't want those. Some crazy hit man over there so, with those little republics or whatever they splitting it all up now, and one of them crazy crazy guys get a hold of it, Uh-huh. you never know. But that, the guy that's taken over for Gorbachev, he's supposed to be, he's supposed to be on our side, isn't he. Pretty much. One hopes. Uh-huh. I think we went through him though to get to Gorbachev on a lot of subjects so, Uh-huh. But that way, you can't never tell that. Yeah.
Kiss some butt, but, but, uh, Well, Michael, what do you think about, uh, funding for AIDS research? Do you, Well, uh, uh, that's something I've thought a lot about. Uh-huh. Uh, I, I work in a hospital. Uh-huh. And I've worked in the hospital for fifteen years and I've taken care of a few AIDS patients. Uh-huh. Uh, when they asked us did, did we want to, uh, keep it the same or, uh, spend more, spend less, I think uh, I think right now what they're spending is adequate. Uh, my, for my personal opinion. Uh, because I think it's something that's going to take them a while to come up with a, uh, vaccine for. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I don't think it's going to be that easy to come up with Yeah. or I think they already would have by now, you know. Uh-huh. And, uh, so I don't know if, if spending a lot more money would really make any difference right now.
I think they're doing the, is as much research as they can possibly do, you know. Uh-huh. And, uh, what about you? Well, I guess I'm not too aware of how much they're spending right now You know. I'm not either. I'm definitely not aware of how much. Yeah. Uh, that's something I've never really kept up with at all. Uh-huh, yeah. Uh, I don't, I'm not sure, uh, I mean, I, go ahead. I know, uh, I've always thought more about the disease rather than the research, you know what I mean? Uh-huh. Yeah. And, uh, that sort of thing. Uh, if, if we were talking about the money, uh, I'd just have to say what they're spending is probably enough, simply because I don't know that much about it. You know Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, I, I can see that research is needed and, you know, Oh, yeah. Definitely. I think so, I think so. I mean it's becoming a major problem. Yeah. But, uh. I guess the area that I think more about is I would like to see them focus on, uh, preventing it, uh in more, You know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's true. That's true because, uh, it's a, such an easily preventable disease. Right, and I, I feel like just saying, uh, safe sex is not the answer. Uh, It's it's, uh abstinence in certain cases No. It's definitely not.
and That's true, that's true. Yeah. Uh, And, knowing, you know, Myself, uh, uh, I'm just recently, or about to, get a divorce Uh-huh. and, uh, course, I'm not all ready to just run out there and start dating everybody I can or anything. Yeah. But, it's sort of scary to find yourself single again, you know. Uh-huh. And, uh, because you never know what's going to happen You don't know who you're going to come across, you know. Yeah. Course, it's, it's not that I'm wanting to, I'm not going to want to go and have sex with everybody I see. Uh-huh. But it's something you got to think about these days. Yeah. A single person. You know,
Uh-huh. and, uh, I mean, it certainly changed my attitude about that in a hurry. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, I think for a lot of people it has. Certainly. So, Yeah. So, But, uh, uh, I know that, uh, in some of these larger cities they're passing out free syringes and all of that sort of thing to prevent, you know, so that, uh, the drug addicts won't be getting dirty needles and everything. Uh-huh. Drug addicts. Uh-huh. Yeah. And, uh, I don't know, I don't think that's a bad idea. Uh-huh. I know it, uh, sort of doesn't address the problem of drug addiction Yeah.
It just sort of keeps that going. Yeah. But, uh, I don't know, at least drug addiction can be treated whereas AIDS, so far, cannot be. You know, Uh-huh. so, I don't know, that, I think that's, I'm not too much against the, the passing out of the free syringes myself. Uh-huh. I don't know, what do you think about that? It really is. Well, yeah, boy that's a hard issue It really is. It really is. They gave us a hard topic Yeah I mean, I, I definitely think that it's the drug problem that needs to be addressed, but as you say, uh, people, I mean, in the meantime, well someone who's not ready to give up drugs, uh, You know.
Uh-huh. That's true. That's true. If they're perpetrating the AIDS problem, passing that on to each other, then you know, Yeah. You know, I guess if you consider the two problems, drug addiction and AIDS AIDS would have to come first, I guess, as far as something to, to do about it. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. So, so I don't know. Uh, course, there's so many things in the world where, if you solve one problem, you may be creating another you know. Yeah. And, uh, so I guess you just have to take the two problems and see which is worse. Which is the most important to solve at the time Yeah. and, Uh-huh. I don't know. Yeah. But, uh, but I've never looked into how much money they're spending. I have, I have no idea.
Uh-huh. And I know a lot of our tax money goes to that. Yeah. But, uh, I really have never looked into it. I have no idea. Yeah, I haven't either. I've heard, you know, uh different voices speaking up and saying we're not spending enough Yeah. Yeah. and, Mostly that's what I've heard, Right, sure. so I don't know, Yeah. And, yet, I know it's, uh, it sounds like big money to me Yeah But it probably takes a lot. I think it is. I think it is.
Yeah, it does every, So, It seems to take more than, uh, for any little thing they do, it seems to take a lot more money that you would think it would. You know. Uh-huh. Yeah. But, uh, Did you have any fear working in the hospital with that, That's one thing I've never really feared. Uh-huh. Uh, uh, I, a lot of the, my family, you know, they fear me working like that and, under some, some of those conditions, but, uh uh, I don't fear it at all. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, I work in, in the operating room a lot Uh-huh. and, uh, and, of course, when Hello?
Hello. How you doing? Fine. I'm Lee with, uh, uh, I'm over here in Plano, Texas. Okay. Let me ask you something, can I run a minute and shut my radio off? Oh, sure. Okay. Oh. Okay. Where are you calling from or where are you at? Arlington. Arlington, Texas. Arlington. Yes. Well, there's a lot of stuff going on in Arlington these days. Yes, not all good stuff.
Are you involved in any of that? No. No. No, I'm not, not personally. Well, uh, what benefits do, now, do you work? I'm going to school right now. Oh, you are? I can tell you about my last job or whatever you want to talk about that or my husband's or what I think. Okay. Yeah. I've got a lot of, Because I, I work for myself Uh-huh. and so, uh, there's a lot that I, that I guess I do miss, uh, a lot of benefits from working for a big corporation. I miss, uh insurance and uh, the steady paychecks that come. Yes. Right. Yes.
But, uh, Yes, I've been in my own business, Mary Kay, in fact, I'm selling in out now to go to school full time and I enjoyed the freedom of having that, you know, Oh, is that right? go to work when I wanted to or not Uh-huh. but, you know, the benefits weren't there. Yeah. So, I, uh, I own part of a roofing company. Oh, do you? In the, in the Dallas, Fort Worth area. Uh-huh. And, uh, you know, unfortunately we, we were part of a, of a bigger, bigger company Uh-huh. and they, uh, you know, we, we had all the benefits there and, and I do miss that. You know, Yeah.
but, uh, on the other hand, I, I, uh, I enjoy having the, the time that I have with my family and being able to, you know, work when I want Right. Yeah, uh-huh. and, I think today the thing that I, uh, would appreciate the most, uh, because my husband gets, his medical through his company, but we have to pay for mine Uh-huh. and we're the only one, I'm the only one that's being insured and and we pay the same amount that someone over there that has four children has, I mean, Oh, is that right? so it's kind of, Yeah. And I would, I really, and the way medical expenses are I think that's probably one of the biggest benefits to you need to have. It's, Yeah. It, it,
Yeah, I'll tell you what, that is the single most uh, benefit that I, that I enjoyed, and I do miss Right. because I looked into picking up some, uh, medical insurance for my, just for my family, you know, just, and it is unbelievable how much you have to pay for it. It's out of sight. Right, it's out of sight. And, uh, yeah, Even at a group rate, I couldn't believe how much is our, Oh, yeah even at a group rate. Uh, it's, it's unbelievable and, uh, the amount that you have to pay for, you know, for kids and, and if you want to add dental to it, I mean, that's that eats even more. Right, it goes up. Right. So, yeah,
I guess what, the other benefits that, uh, that I, uh, that I miss, I guess is, uh, you know, some of the bonuses and stuff that that goes on with just being involved with a big company, you know Uh-huh. and course, these days, you can't count on that because Right. uh, you know, I feel bad for the people that are involved in that, uh, G M deal there in in Arlington Right. and I'm sure it will be, you know, quite a few people are affected by that so, Right, it's going to hurt the city, although, uh, I will personally tell you, I used to work at a bank, and I would see the G M people come in when they were, they would shut down to retool. Uh-huh. They were paid that whole time and I don't know, if you're aware of this Oh, really? Yes, they come in there, just, they go off fishing and stuff and come in and, every Friday, and go to the safety deposit box, and I'm sitting there making a hundred dollars a week, you know
and, And they had all these Is that right? I, I really believe they have done this to themselves, in a way, because of the unions being so stocked. The union, yeah. And right now, anybody's that's laid off from G M will have a full year's paycheck. I just read this in the paper the other day. Is that right? Plus probably an additional six months through the, the worker's stuff that they have at, at, uh, through the company so I'm you know, I'm sorry it's happening because it's going to hurt, Yeah. but I don't feel as sorry for them, Well If my husband were laid off tomorrow, we'd get one more check really the, and that would be it. Yeah, really the ones it's going to hurt is, is actually the, the businesses around in that area. Yes. Oh, yeah,
that's already hurting. You know, that's the ones that that that's going to hurt because they depend on that, uh, But I think there's a case, where benefits have gotten, they voted them in and they got so good, I mean, like two dollars for a prescription no deductible on the medical, all these things, you know Oh, yeah. Yeah. and it made the prices of cars go up and and, you know, the, Uh-huh. I, we, I believe in unions, but they went too far. Well, I'll tell you, I I've had my fill of unions I mean, I can't make eighteen dollars an hour. I, I mean, I know someone out here that makes eighteen dollars an hour. Oh, yeah. Okay. Uh, do you want to go ahead or,
Oh, sure. Uh, well I, uh, went to school at Madison for two years and they are really big on women's rights. And, and equal treatment. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And so I, I've seen a lot of like rallies and things like that. But, uh, I'm not that liberated. I mean my mom is kind of old-fashioned, you know. Uh-huh. So, I, you know, you pick up some traits from her and stuff. But, uh, I think it's, I think it's interesting and better for women to see that there's more, more of them doing men's fields. I like to see that. And I don't like to see women, you know, like waiting on men hand and foot Right. but, you know, I, I believe in like sharing and doing things for each other. I do too. I like the idea. I see a lot more, uh, my children, I have five children and they're all married.
Uh-huh. And, uh, I love seeing the men help the women so much. Right. And they both cooperate together on, I think it's great. Oh, me too I hope that happens to me someday. I mean, I, I don't mind doing stuff. Uh, I have a boyfriend and I got to make him dinner and stuff but, you know, I, he'll help me do the dishes. I don't want to, you know expect to help to clean up then after Right. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah. So I've always taught my men that. They better clean up with their women and help them.
If they did that, you know. Right. And they're, they're good about it. But it is neat to see them all work together. And a big thing that I see. All that, most of the, most of the women getting married now, uh, go back, have gone back to, you know, Uh-huh. they, they stay at work or go back to work. Or whatever. Right. And they're well educated. Uh-huh. And I believe we'll see a lot more C E O in companies. They're having a fit about how little there are. Oh. And I think we'll see a lot more. Don't you? Of upper management? Then we do now, even. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Right. I think it'll escalate. Yeah. And, uh, and I think black women now
in fact I work at a high school. Uh-huh. And my boss is a black woman and has only been there a couple of months and already promoted and she's very sharp. And I think that and the ethnic thing will be, you know, is a good thing now. Oh, me too. They're moving them up and they're sharp and they, so you're going to see a lot, a lot more of that in leadership I believe. Yeah. I like to see that. I think it's, uh, really neat to see and all that educated minority, uh, person who really knows what they're talking about. Uh-huh. Right. And it's just too bad that some people, you know, still look down on them just because of their color. You know. Right. That's Especially black women. Yes.
So. Yeah. But they know what they're doing. Right. But I'm not big on subserving as far as to the men at all. Uh-huh. Right. But I never have gone along with that, you know. Even far back. But I was brought up pretty good in a home that, years ago my mother was that way. The same. I, my you know, some people say oh the boys shouldn't have to do those jobs. The inside jobs. But we never were taught, they had to do as much as we did. So that was good. Right, same here.
Yeah. So that's, I think that's good. To keep the equal as far as, as, uh, not, uh, necessarily by sex type thing. You know. Right. Same here. You should be able to accomplish as much. And I think the, uh, attitude is a lot better towards the parents raising the younger ones now. Uh-huh. You see a lot more of the mothers and all saying to the young girls, you know you can do it. Yeah. If he can do it, you can do it type thing. Yeah. Exactly. I, I see more men, uh, like participating in like the family things with children. Like, you know, helping to take care of them more. And and, uh, uh, doing the jobs equally, you know, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right. What about politics on it? Oh. Do you think the political scene? I'm not that big on politics.
I'm not that educated on it. Yeah. I'm, I'm real I'm kind of disgusted this year because I don't see many women into the political scene and I really think we should have more political leaders in the women than we do up for, and even for President and Vice President this year, Oh, yeah. I agree with that. there's nobody again. I think they're all scared out after after, uh, oh, what was the lady's name that ran a couple of, I forget her name now. Oh, I don't know But you know who I mean? Yeah, I know who you're talking about. Yeah. She took such a rough go of it. And they their tax deal and, Yeah. At least she was strong to like try it and you know.
Right. Right. So that's good. But I wish they would get some more on that. I really was disappointed this year when I see any of the candidates talking that they're talking about. Uh, they, I didn't see any of the women in there. Uh-huh. And that disappoints me. Oh. And right now I don't think we have too many. Uh, in the forefront. Schroeder's about the biggest one in Washington. Uh-huh. Congress woman. And, uh, other uh, we really, Okay. I think the first thing they said, I have written this down so it would, is it do you think it's possible to have honesty in government or an honest government?
Okay. You're asking what my opinion about, whether it's possible to have honesty in government. Yeah. Well, I suspect that it is possible. Uh, I think it probably is more likely if you have a small government unit where everybody knows everybody. Right. That's a good point. But, uh, other than that I think maybe it just depends on how you define honesty. That's an you know, that's interesting. I had read something one time and it was just applying to governments in general, it was written many years ago. It said that it's impossible to have a completely honest system of government because people who choose government for their positions are power seekers. And I thought that was interesting. It wasn't just talking about our government. It was just government in general. From times past, you know on Uh-huh. and, So they're saying that government officials would tend to be power seekers. Right.
And that would be a next question to ask. or are they in there for their own gains, and personally I feel it's probably, there's probably some of each. Right. Yeah. But I think maybe a lot of them, um, say the more honest ones who are still looking out for themselves, it may be more matter of not what can I steal while in an office but how many friends can I make while, I'm in office. Uh-huh. Yeah. And, you know, how good a name can I make for myself and so forth. So I guess it would be like anything else. Yeah. The president of General Motors probably has the same, Oh, yeah. And they talked, uh, the other, let's see. Third question was how serving for their own gains do you think goes on, then they, that's hard to I'm sure there's a lot. But I agree with you, there's a lot in business.
I think that's just, I think that's very normal, that we should not I think, I think I think a little more honesty in the campaigns would be, more to the point. I think we put too much on politicians. We expect them to only be there to serve us, you know. Yeah. If you knew what you were getting when you voted, uh, That's a problem, isn't it? Yeah. It's interesting because I'm taking a Texas government class right now, and one of the things it's so easy to blame them to a lot of times I think it's our own fault. They lie to us because we don't want to hear the truth. Yeah, they say you, get the government you deserve. And it, If they tell us the truth, we don't elect them and, Especially with all this stuff coming up here lately about people's past, Uh-huh and I don't know why anybody would want to get under that scrutiny anymore.
It's hard to imagine. Because it's, I think it's gotten just well, we're not talking about issues we're talking about somebody's personal life and, and we're getting away from what we ought to be looking at Yeah, and it almost seems like in order to avoid, uh, some of the scandal, you would have to have the kind of wife that you would only find, on, say in the Bobsy twins or, something like that Right. You know, I also think it would be funny if we could know everything about the people that were in there and throw them out. I don't think there would be too many left So you're taking a government course? Uh-huh. At what? The university? Uh, at, uh, it's T C J C. Tarrant County Junior College. Oh. Yeah. Okay. And it's really, it's really enjoyable. I like it.
And then they also, you know, ask can we eliminate, do you think we could make laws to eliminate all corruption, and I don't think we can make laws to eliminate anything anyplace totally. You can make laws against corruption Yeah, but that, doesn't mean, But that doesn't eliminate it, does it? Milwaukee, did it? I don't think making laws will stop it. I mean I don't know how many laws you would have to have. I mean, No, sure didn't, did it? So no, I think you can legislate but I think there's no way that you eliminate it all by legislating, and we would end up with so many more laws that, you know, I mean I just think that's human nature that you're going to have corruption in government, in business, personal life, I mean, you know. Actually, I think other countries may have it worse, uh, the Japanese government is always having a, some kind of a scandal. Right. Usually involving the Prime Minister or people very close to him.
Yeah. So, uh, Yeah, I still believe I get very fed up with government sometimes but when I think about where I'd want to go, you know, this is still the best or I can, Yeah, I've been around to a few other countries and I, uh, I, I have not found one yet that I would rather live in. I think, uh, Yeah. Yeah, at its worst I think we've got the best. Okay, um, Chuck, do you have any pets there at your home? Yeah, I do. And what kind do you have? I've got a male Siamese about a year old here. I live alone in an apartment, and, uh, except for the cat. Uh-huh. Uh-huh
How about you? Well, we have a cat, um, he's probably, oh, a good two years old, big, old, fat and sassy tabby. Uh-huh. Oh. Uh, how's the disposition of your Siamese cat? Well, it's, uh, you know they're just, uh, aggressive by nature Uh-huh. and, uh, he's been neutered and declawed, so he's an indoor cat, Uh-huh. so, uh, that kind of calms him down for the most part. How about yours? Well, yeah, he's, uh, he has been really aggressive, uh, especially towards my little girl, for some reason. Huh. He's, uh, been so mean to her And, and you say you've had him how long? We've had him for about two years Two years. and he was so mean to her, um, right after we first got him.
So we had him neutered, and, and declawed, and now he bites her. He can't scratch her any more, Huh. he bites her. Does he bite her enough to draw blood? Yeah, yeah, he has a couple of times, so. Uh-huh. But he's a very possessive cat. He, he loves my son, it's his cat, and he's the only one that allows him to touch him or pet him or love him Yeah. and he's so funny, he just follows my son around just like a dog. Huh. He won't even let my son shower.
Yeah. He meows and wants to get in the bathroom and, while he showers, it's so hilarious. So he's quite a animal Yeah, boy, I guess. Well as long as he doesn't get too aggressive. I guess with the daughter he's all right. Yeah. You wouldn't want him to carry her off or something. Yeah, well, we, we did, uh, actually take him to the pound a couple of times, you know because we just couldn't have him being so aggressive towards the girl, Uh-huh. Sure. but, uh, he seems to have mellowed out a little bit, and we do keep our daughter away from him. So. Yeah, yeah. Were it not for my son, the cat would not be in this house
Is that the only pet that you have? It is, uh-huh. We, we tried a dog about four years ago, and we ended up with, uh, oh, malamute and some other kind of mix. Anyway it was, it ended up being just a huge, huge dog that ate us out of house and home. So, we gave him up and tried. Well, do you live, you, you in a house, or a place where you, uh, Yes, uh-huh, we're in a house, but we're in a subdivision where we really can't allow the dog, I see. we couldn't allow him to run free, so, he was just chained up all the time, and it was, it was unfortunate. Sure. So have you tried any other pets? No, no. I, I live alone in an apartment,
and, uh, it's, it's not that big that, uh Oh although I've heard rabbits are pretty good Oh. you know, I saw something on C N N or on cable here a while ago that showed some people that had rabbits in apartments and in houses, Uh-huh. Oh, my word. and they apparently, uh, especially when they're young when they bring them in Oh, my word. uh, And do they, they just paper train it or something? I guess. I guess, yeah, and I would imagine that they don't have many more than one to start with, either. Yeah. Well, rabbits are darling. That would be fun if you could get them trained. Otherwise they're pretty smelly
Yep, that's right. Oh. Did you see the, the C N N, the, the dog show, uh, Huh-uh, we don't have C, we don't have cable. I see. Well they have, uh, uh, a they call it the Westminster Dog Show, uh, I think it's in New York City at the, at the Gardens there once a year live Oh. and they had that on last week, and that's really kind of something to watch, uh, Oh. it's on, I think, two or three nights for maybe an hour or two Is that right? and some of the weirdest animals you ever want to see in there. Oh Some of them are really beautiful, too. Uh-huh.
So. Well, I'd be, interesting to watch. So you live in Utah do you? Yes, uh-huh. Elton. Goodness. We live out here by, it's by Ogden. It's north of Salt Lake City, Utah Uh-huh. and we really love it out here. It's, uh, kind of country. We're, we're only about ten minutes from Ogden. Uh-huh. So, we're kind of country but not too. Well do you all work for T I, or for, No, huh-uh. Do you? Yeah,
yeah, yeah. Oh, well, see, I'm getting so many calls to Texas. This is the very first one I've, I've talked to. Oh, well, great. Yeah, I've been doing it for about two weeks and, uh, no my, No my, Uh-huh. So how do you get most of your current event information? Well, , see I'm going to school right now, and, uh, while I'm working, I don't get a, I don't get a chance to read the paper a lot, Uh-huh. and I don't watch T V as much really either, because, uh, my free time is kind of, and I do, like to do other stuff with it. Right. While I'm at work sometimes, I, on the computer network um, I read the news sometimes, Uh-huh. and that's kind of helpful. I would imagine going to college, though, your professors and different things,
you keep up on what's going on. That's true, I mean, my roommates and stuff, you know people around me talk about it. Yeah. And the people I work with are pretty, you know, up, up-to-date on that kind of stuff, so. Right. Well, I'm a housewife, I have three kids, and so um, I get most of my information probably through just the news at six o'clock and then, um, talking with people and just hearing what's going on. . Uh-huh. Yeah. Do you watch, do you watch the network, like major network news, or do you watch like the MACNEIL LEHRER HOUR? Just the regular channel just channel eight. Oh, really. That's our channel here that's the, um, eyewitness news. Uh-huh. So.
Oh, see channel, where I am channel eight's, um, like public T V, so it's kind of different. Oh, uh-huh. Yeah. I think, I think the, uh, I think a lot of the commentators on, like the major networks, like right, it's kind of appropriate right now because of the election stuff going on, but, um, it seems that, um, they kind of get to throw their opinions into how they, you know, report on the news. Right. And I think even in the elections, they choose who they're going to follow and who they're not, and basically you know, if a candidate can get them to follow, then the news will, you know, kind of publicize his name. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I don't think that the way I get the news is the right way to get it. I think you get a very lopsided picture of what's going on. Uh-huh, because they can, they can only report on, I mean, they give each candidate perhaps, you know, ten second blurbs in which to, you know, to say, you, you just can't get a full picture of, you know their message unless you have time to sit down and and probably read something on it. Right. Right.
And the news, too, it just doesn't, um, cover that many stories, I mean, it just covers your basic, you know, violent crimes and, you know, and, and your catastrophes with weather and stuff, Yeah. but other than that, you really don't know what's going on. Yeah. Um, I will read our current letters that come out on elections and, I guess I do read that, and I do study who's running in our area, and I do study what's going on in the economy. It, you know, and, I guess I do read other magazines, um, too, to get my information. What kind of, see, I subscribe to like SCIENCE NEWS, and that's, that's real good because it gives like a brief summary of, or like the updates, like of what's going on in science without getting into a lot of detail that would, you know, bog me down that I wouldn't know about Right. but other than that I don't really read, I don't, I don't really subscribe to anything else. I used to read every month a READER'S DIGEST Uh-huh. but, um, now I guess I just have friends that clip articles
or if I, you know, am interested in something, of course, during the when we were in war, I read up on that just a little in the newspaper to find out what was going on. Oh, yeah. But a lot of the times, I, you know, I wish I had the time to read all the stories in the newspaper, but I just can't seem to find the time. Yeah. If they put it out in a video, or on not a video but a cassette tape or something, where you could just listen to it I would do that while I was doing other things. Yeah. But, Well, I remember back during the, uh, during the war, everyone here at work always had the radio or the T V on, because that, they were going constantly with that stuff. Right. But, uh. Well, I, um, they even did a story on our news here in Texas on what people wanted to see more of, and people said that they wanted to see more on outside of Texas news. You know, we just don't want to hear every night all the killings that went on here in Dallas Yeah. that we want to hear what's going on with the economy, what's being done to help it, what's going on in other countries, what's, you know, just more information. If they reported every, if they reported every violent crime in Atlanta it would take, it would probably take the whole news hour Yeah. But, uh. Well, I guess we'll get pretty good news coverage in a couple of years when you host the, uh, summer olympics
Oh, yeah, that's, they start, already they're having like, um, in the newspaper they have a section, I think, every now and then, on the Olympics, you know, and they've got like a countdown, it's like sixteen hundred days or something. I know, we're trying to get tickets to it right now. Oh, really? Yeah. That's going to be crazy that time of year here. But, uh. Yeah. I can't believe, I mean, they're, they're stretching out the Olympic news for that much coverage over, I guess people want to hear about it. Also big in the news right now is the Braves, because they're, uh, they're in, you know, spring training or whatever Right, right. and they did so well last year. Yeah,
they spent a lot of time, that's another thing, they spend a long time on sports, and I think that, um, that's fine, I would like to see more time spent on other things. Yeah. But. It seems like, I don't know, they way they do the newscasts, I wish they, they kind of separated it, you know, if you wanted to watch one thing you could turn to some channel for it but I don't have cable. Dave. What kind of pets do you have? Oh, we have one rotten cat. One rotten cat Yeah, it's my son's cat. I heard a laugh in the background. Yeah, that's the boys. They know I don't like it. Don't you like cats?
Well, I like cats. This, this cat is a, uh, more like a dog. Oh yeah. Yeah he's, uh, a one owner. He likes one boy in the family and that's about it That's odd. How does he treat the other people? Just, uh, stays away or runs usually. Wow. But he follows, he'll follow my oldest son around. You know when he is in the house, he will come up and he'll jump on his lap, but if anybody reaches over to pet him or whatever, he'll just kind of look at them like what are doing. Did he raise him or something? He's, he, we bought the cat for him and so he's, uh, been the one that you know spent the most time with him. But I, I've never owned a cat like that. I've had cats growing up all the time and you know they are usually either that way with everybody or friendly to everybody Uh-huh.
Huh, that's interesting. So, it's a weird cat Huh. We have a, a mutt. A mutt. Well, we, we named it Hooper because that's where we got it from. Uh-huh. Uh, some lady, she, uh, a lot of people, uh, uh, drop off abandoned, abandoned pets at her house Oh. and she use to work for a veterinarian so she would uh, neuter them give them all their shots Uh-huh. and we saw an ad saying it was free, so we went down there and picked it up and it's been an excellent dog, but it's my first dog I've had and we got it because my wife stays here at home alone while I go to work Uh-huh. so that's mostly why we got it. To keep her company while I am away at work. So that, is that, is that kind of your child right now?
Uh yeah. Right now it, it is. You feel like. It's kind of good training. I mean we have been trying for kids, but right now we haven't had any, Oh, uh-huh. but it's pretty good training, I think really, keeps her on her toes Have, have you had dogs before? Uh, my brother has. Uh, we didn't do a lot with them. Uh, I never felt like it was mine or anything, you couldn't do anything. Uh-huh. But, I mean, that did, did more responsibility. When its yours and not your brother's Yeah. But, Well, I just, uh, we've, you know when I was growing up I had, we always had a dog and we had mostly mutts,
well not mutts, but mixes you know like one or two mix Uh-huh. and those dogs always seem to be the best dogs. That's what we found. Ours is, uh, like a cockapoo. Uh-huh. I think it's half cocker spaniel and half poodle. Uh-huh. But, it's a really good dog. Yeah. I don't know, they seem to be, I mean, listen better or something. Uh-huh. Is your cat a purebred? No. No, it's just uh an accident From a uh, from my, my son's friend down the street. They're their cat was an outside cat and just end up with some kittens Uh-huh.
and so, Would you ever want a dog in the family? Uh, we, I would. We, uh, we had a dog that was a, uh, mix between an Alaska Malamute and a Labrador Uh-huh. and, uh, I should say a pup and he was just too big for our kids when we got him Oh yeah. and we, when we moved into our house that was the first thing we wanted to get was, uh, you know, was a pet and it was a dog that we gotten and he was, he was just too big. Uh-huh. Uh, the kids couldn't handle him and I was still going to school and my wife was working and I was working and so we just didn't have time to really train him so he was kind of you know, he was too big for the kids to handle, so he was just tied up to a post Oh, yeah.
so we gave him to, uh, I don't know if you've, there is a place out here, uh, called Shorties Lane out here in Harrisville Uh-huh. and they have, uh, I guess it's kind of an animal shelter but he just takes a few the animals in and some he destroys and some he keeps. Uh-huh. So we took him up there and he ended up keeping him. Uh, cause he has had him for six or seven years. We, we've, saw him just about a year ago and, uh, I thought boy that sure looks like that pup we gave away Uh-huh. and so we asked him about it one day and he said yeah, he's been the best dog I've ever had in my life Wow.
just goes everywhere with him. I, he would have been a great, great dog. He just needed a lot of time. Uh-huh. Hey Steve. Uh, They just, uh, they just started a recycling program here, I think. Actually, this is my first experience with recycling program but, uh, instead of just like tossing everything away which I always felt bad about, uh, I am starting to split split stuff up. The only disadvantage is that they don't pick it up at the curb. They make me drive it like a mile down the road and spit it out down there. What are they doing up there? Well, here in Saskatoon, uh, much the same thing. There is no curb pick up of, uh, any of the recycled products. Uh, we're in a community of about one hundred and eighty thousand people. Uh, there are areas where we could, uh, actually we have a couple of the, uh, handicapped societies, types of places where the uh, one they do as just a recycling operation and then others they collect the paper and ship it to other retailers so, uh, we are able to, uh, have drop off bins for news papers and cardboard and that kind of thing and then there are, there's a uh, deposit program on plastic and glass containers. Well, primarily soft drink bottles and so we are able uh to take it to one of the uh, rehabilitation centers and then they recycle the containers.
They refund the deposit which is anywhere from five to fifteen cents a container and then, The, the deposits only on like drink stuff. Right. Okay. On the, on primarily on soft drink, pops and that kind of thing Okay. and, uh, so, they induce recycling of plastic and glass, soft drink containers. Uh, we do have one of the scrape metal dealers that will accept tin and aluminum cans as well Oh, okay. and actually the recycler, there is a deposit on aluminum pop cans and beer cans and so the recycler, uh, with the handicapped group will also accept those. So, uh, it's fairly, fairly extensive, but then again it's uh, it's the initiative of the individual person because there is no coordinated pick up by the city. So, did they, you're giving, are you giving these products to the handicapped group and the handicapped group is getting the uh, the money or or are you, or are they some home distributing the funds back to you. Well, actually there's, there's the opportunity for both. Oh. Okay. Generally the, uh, the handicapped group takes care of the things that
actually, the government has placed the deposit which is the inducement to recycle the bottle so that you get your money back and then the recycler run by the handicapped society pays back the cost of that deposit and then I, and then they in turn will get some money from the bottlers and from the the people that do the canning of the pop and the beer as as well That's very cool. You know there's a, I heard about a similar program in New York City where, uh, a thing called like Homeless Incorporated or something like that, but what they do is employ, uh, homeless, I think mostly men, but homeless people to uh, go out and collect all the recyclable cans and and I think it's mostly cans. There may be bottles as well, but like beer cans, soda cans and what not and they, uh, bring them up to a one one centralized location and, uh, are able to collect the money from the various beer and, and soda manufacturers and, uh, and get more money to these people that desperately need it. Oh yeah. Uh, I guess partly because of our climate. Here in Saskatoon at least, the majority of central, uh, well, I want to say Central Canada, but Central Canada tends to referred more to Ontario and Quebec Yeah. but, uh, we don't have much of a situation where we might call them homeless people. We certainly have a fair number of people that are on welfare and unemployment insurance and that kind of thing. Uh, there's psychological pressure against employing people to do that kind of thing although, uh, scouts and hockey teams and ball teams, those kinds, uh, regularly do bottle drives where they go around in various neighborhoods and collect the bottles at individual homes. Do they do it with news papers as well? They have done it some, uh,
but we have actually quite an extensive network of collecting news papers. They are actually at, virtually all of the shopping centers. Like the shopping malls. There are several containers where the group called Cosmopolitan Industries collects or people can drop their used news papers and other papers in the bins and then the bins are collected. Huh. Uh, some of the, Jimmy , so how do you get most of your news? Well, I kind of, uh, I watch the, uh, national news every day, for one. I also read one or two papers a day and I'm a, I'm pretty much a news junkie and I tune in to C N N a lot. Oh, wow. So, when you say the morning news, or evening news or national news is when? Uh, every evening at six thirty, I believe, I watch the national news. Oh, okay. Well, I would probably be a junkie or watch C N N a lot, but I don't, uh, I don't, uh, subscribe to cable because of the poor service and also, uh, because, Uh-huh.
well, I, uh, I give to the United Way and so I figured that amount of money I just donate to that. Uh-huh, as opposed to paying for cable. Yeah, I take away a, uh, addiction Oh, something. Yeah. Well I, Uh, overall I, I, the quality of the news you get off of most, uh, sources I would say is pretty low. It's, usually you get pretty incomplete coverage and that's one of the reasons where I, why I try and get as many sources as possible, because if you hear the same story from three different sources, then you get a much clearer picture of, of what is going on. You would hope, but still, you know, hard to say that what you've heard is what really is. Oh. What, what, uh, newspapers do you read? Well, I read, uh, the local newspaper and I also try and read one of the, uh, major dailies like the CHICAGO TRIBUNE, or the NEW YORK TIMES or something like that.
Uh-huh. For a while there I, I, I, uh, subscribed to NEW YORK TIMES, actually a couple of newspapers because, uh, you know, my fiance, well, she was unemployed for a while so she, you know, really needed to look at the, the help wanted ads Uh-huh. and so often they, they the newspapers are trying to compete with a lot of other sources of uh, news. Right. And, I don't know, NEW YORK TIMES is okay, but, uh, and when you read a lot of this stuff, the, the quality of the writing has definitely gone down in the last ten years or so, but uh, I mean, they, they say it's like the sixth grade reading level, Uh-huh. but I swear it's at least second or third grade, sometimes. Right. Pretty low. But, I don't know, uh, I think if you listen to like N P R or something like, Right, I, I really like N P R a lot. That's pretty good.
Uh, and I like listening to that on, on, uh, when I get a chance, when I'm in the car a long enough time to, to listen to it, because I, Right, yeah, I miss N P R a lot also. I really like them because they give, uh, instead of being, as your newspaper or your T V news where you get a five minute blurb or a ten paragraph blurb, they go really in depth on topics which I think is good. Uh, And they also, their editorial stand point seems to be a lot better than, say, your major network news and that kind of thing. Well, McNeil and Lehrer, I guess he's leaving, one of them is leaving. Uh-huh. Uh, they're, they're pretty good, too. Uh, I guess a year ago you're probably watching C N N a lot, right? Right yeah. Had that invasion or whatever it is. Sure was.
Uh, but I, I don't know, I guess a lot of it's still a lot of hype. Look at the, the Smith trial. Uh-huh. I mean, that was a joke. Yeah, that was, but then you also have things where you, uh, where they broadcast the Clarence Thomas hearings basically the whole length of them which I thought was really good. Oh, yeah, the N P R doing that, yeah, I know, I had, uh, some visitor and he was just just, I don't know, fixated on that, you know, just listened to it constantly. Uh-uh. Uh, and I guess that's good when it's live, if you, if you'll really want that, but that's not really providing you news. Right. It's, it's more like a media event rather than reporting. Well, but the but the news, news that you would get from any other source is being generated from that event, which is something that's good also about C Span which I, I tune into every once in a while.
Oh, really? That's kind of boring to me, I think. Yeah, it, it is, really kind of boring, but, you know, that's, if, if you don't watch it there, then you're going to hear somebody else's canned, uh, report, somebody else's view about it and that's what you're supposed, you're supposed to, if you watch the news, you're going, your opinion is going to be formed about, on what somebody else thought about it as opposed to actually watching it yourself and forming your own pinion, opinion, which I haven't, would be much more in favor of forming my own opinion as opposed to following someone else's. Yeah. Yeah, I guess that's true. But, one of the ways that I get information is, uh, every day when I log in on the computer I subscribe to this, this thing, it's free inside the company, it's called INTELLECT and, and they basically, uh, type out abstracts which are really literally, I've, I've actually read the actual articles, they're pretty Let's see, mine's pretty easy actually. Uh, I just got done reading a, a magazine or a couple magazine articles about the, uh, new Saturns.
Uh-huh. Uh, and, although I can't afford it right now, I would just like love to have one. Oh, really, you like, uh, so you're an American Well, you want to buy American. No, regardless of that fact. It's the best car in the class for the cheapest amount of money. I'm interested in having it for, uh, doing a little autocross racing, uh, closed circuit racing Um. and, uh, it seems to just blow the competition away. It terms of handling, uh, acceleration, Handling, power, everything. Yeah, it just got like the top rating. It was compared up against, uh, let's see, there was like the Mazda M X three, uh, Nissan's, whatever, their two, N X two thousand, the Civic S I
and it just, you know, it, it dominated over all of them. Everybody, all the, uh, raters loved it. I like the, I like the styling and, I seen a few of them actually race and they seem to be really good cars for it. What about Mustang G T Mustang G T Uh, can't afford it. Those, so you're talking about ones in a lower, lower end, price range. Right, yeah, I'm a graduate student and, let's face it, I don't make any money so, Right. Well, you can wait till you graduate and you'll have plenty of money, you can buy whatever you want.
Yeah. Yeah, we'll see then. Yeah, right now I'm stuck, I, I've got a, a Pontiac Sunbird Turbo that, it's fast, but unreliable and trying to get it prepared for racing. But it's, it would be nice, just like scrap it and go for the Saturn. Right, would you use that for city driving and racing? Oh, yeah, I'd do it, I'd use it for both. The nice thing about autocrossing is you can, you can do both. Autocrossing is, what kind of track is that? Uh, just like a, uh, set up a lot of times and it's like really large, uh, parking lots. And pylons and things. Okay. And you put up, set up the track, pylons.
Okay. Tight turns, hard acceleration. I've seen a lot of Mustangs, uh, compete and it's interesting. They get dominated by the Corvettes that are also in their class. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah, I would guess so. Uh, what are you thinking about buying? Uh, I think I'd like to get, uh, B M W or if I go the German route, which I'm kind of leaning towards right now, but, uh, or maybe a, I mean, a, a Acura Legend. Uh The Legend. Uh. a Lexus, uh, S C three hundred maybe. Something on that order. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know, because your B M W your German cars have good reputations, I think. Yeah, well, I was, I was actually in, uh, a lot of the B M W are produced in, uh, uh, Stutgardt and, uh, and Munich
Yes. and I was, I was there this, uh, summer and, uh, I was really impressed by the, uh, the, uh, factory, uh, tours and such for B M W. The, Yeah, they, their, they have the whole philosophy, I mean, they, they kind of even brainwash themselves into thinking they're better, which is kind of hard to take Yeah. I mean as you're walking through that little tour in, uh, Munich, it's kind of they're trying to brainwash you, too Uh, Oh, of course, of course they are. They want you to buy their car. Yeah, there, it was, it was interesting. I was at, I, I also went to, uh, the Porsche and, uh, it was, it was amazing how they were completely opposed. Oh, really? Yeah,
the, uh, the B M W is really, oh, like, oh, we have all these like high tech things and everything is put together with exacting tolerances and, and then you go to Porsche and it's like, well, uh, these cars are completely handmade Um. and no two of them are alike And Yeah that's, so it's like completely opposed. I don't know, which do I like better, I think I like the Porsche's philosophy a little bit better, although it's not really practical. No, it's not realistic. Unless, it's, it's a toy. Yeah, if you can afford that kind of a toy, then, I guess, uh Let's face it. Yeah,
yeah, but it, it, B M W good for that. What kind of driving just like commuting you'd want to do it, use it for? Yeah, just work, short trips. No no heavy mileage. I'm putting on less than fifteen thousand miles a year. Wow, yeah. So it's pretty minimal. That's cool. Lasts a long time. That's mainly what I'm looking for. Yeah, that's good. I also, I was impressed by, uh, by the Mercedes, too. Oh, yeah. I really, I really like the Mercedes. But, But if, if you have a problem with a Mercedes, you take it into a shop, they're going to, they're going to hit you up for just all kinds of things The factory was nice
and, And is it different for the, for the B M W? Uh, I think, well, something on the order of a three series, it's probably different. Once you get up in the five series and higher, then, all your repair costs go up significantly Probably. Right, I can imagine that. So I'm kind, yeah, I'm not sure if I really want, All right? Yes. Okay. How many kids do you have? I think I think we're going to talk about parents spending time with their children. We, have three children who are eleven, nine, and eight. Right. So this is the big issue with us. Although I don't recall marking it on my little things to talk about but perhaps they are little for words to be said like day care and quality time and,
Uh-huh. Anyway. You don't have children? No. But you're married? Yeah, we, we've been married for two and a half years. We've been trying for about two years but no luck yet. Oh. Hopefully, You know, I know we're not supposed to do this long distance but actually I'm getting a call. I wonder if I could possibly take it on call waiting. Could I ask you to hold one minute? Uh-huh. I'll be right back. Excuse me, just a moment. They're going to get mad whispers to someone in the She had another call. She has just three kids, eleven, nine, and eight.
Hello? Uh-huh. I'm so sorry. All right. That was my daughter's Brownie leader telling me that there is a meeting tomorrow Brownie meeting. Okay. That keeps you do you have a lot of activities with your kids? Well, I don't want to, I don't want this to be a unilateral conversation but, yes, we do. Both my husband and I work and our children are sixth, fourth, and third grade. And the school years are wonderful, they're just wonderful. Uh-huh. The kids, they are real people and they are interesting and, they, they have all their own activities and, um, I think as parents we really enjoy them in, in our personal situation
our children have not yet decided to rebel Uh-huh. So they're pretty good kids, huh? I'm sure that's coming though. But, they are wonderful kids. Yeah. Well, we had growing up I guess I can talk about us. We had nine kids in our family. We had eight boys and one girl. But, my Dad, uh, You had eight boys and one girl? Yeah. And the time that my, we spent with our Dad was, he owned his own business so we worked with him most of the time. So that's how we spent most of the time with him. Are you Mormons? Yeah. That's what the Utah and the large family. That was a dead giveaway, huh?
Well, we're Catholics. I came from a family of five. I had four brothers, Uh-huh. the only girl. Oh. And everyone always asked if the girl got spoiled. Which that, I never felt spoiled. In fact I always thought my toys were destroyed I was going to say, my sister wasn't spoiled very much. No. Usually busy fighting for survival. Yeah, that's . But, Well, I do think with working parents it is, I mean, there are some real issues here. Um, that I think, um, Uh-huh. I don't know. It's an interesting problem.
I happen to, um, I'm a pediatrician. Oh. My husband is a physician, so, uh, I, I I talk to parents about this a lot. But children, I, I think working mothers or mothers who choose to work outside the home, um, need very early to come to grips with any guilt, that they feel and decide what's best for them and their family. Yeah. Uh-huh. And I feel when my children were very young, I had jobs that helped me be flexible with my schedule and spend time with them and all that sort of thing. And I long ago decided I'm a better mother because I work outside the home. Uh-huh. I really believe that. And it has, um, helped us to afford some things for our children that we couldn't otherwise that I think are wonderful particularly at this age, and I think our kids are real secure. And have a real sense of priorities and that they can do anything and be anything both male and female a lot Uh-huh. so I know it sounds like a rationalization but it's, I really think it's true for our family, and I think it has worked very well. Yeah.
It's like you said, you know, to each his own. And we're planning on having my wife stay home. And but, There's no question, I think that's really the best. If, if a woman is happy doing that, Uh-huh. I hate to put it quite that way. Yeah. I was twenty-nine when I had my first child and, uh, I would not have been real fulfilled. I really would not have been totally staying home with a young child. Uh-huh. It's a wonderful, it's wonderful to be a mother but, uh, I like I like the way I did it. Right. I sort of worked half time. I had very flexible hours. I nursed all three of our children until they were at least a year and I, you can do that despite working very easily which is one of the things I preach all the time to, to mothers.
Oh. Uh-huh. Um, and I think we choose very, very carefully the, um, alternative situations that we had them in. Uh-huh. Some baby-sitting groups, again, I know it sounds like a rationalization, but I really do think sometimes they very early on are around lots of other children and they, they learn to share. They learn not necessarily to be the center of attention but that at the same time we have to be sure they are secure. Uh-huh. I think that helps. Well, that's good. Sounds like you're, have a handle on it. Well, so, so . So, your wife, does she work right now? Um, no, not right now. She's out, Right. Well, we just moved down here. We used to live up in Seattle for a couple of years.
You're still trying to dry out? It's that's no problem here. Yeah, we really liked it up there but then I don't believe that we're , So what do you think about, uh, recycling programs in Atlanta, Julie? The recycling program here is just terrible. I mean it's hard to find places to go. I mean, Kroger does a couple things. They, I don't think they, do they do newspapers? I don't know, there's, there's big bins out there, I don't know if they ever get I, I really don't know what the details are. There should be someplace where you could call and find out. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure there's a place you can call and find out the closest, you know, thing to you, but, I think there should be some kind of curbside service. Yeah. That's the only way I could really,
The one in Florida is so cool because they pick up everything. They pick up newspapers and, uh, you know, milk jugs and aluminum and tin cans, you know, like soup comes in and stuff. Uh-huh. They pick up everything. During the summers, like the, around where I live the, uh, homeless people I mean, they all have like shopping carts and stuff Uh-huh. and they're go around and collect cans and aluminum and stuff, Uh-huh. and so we used to just save them up and then they'd come around and we'd give them to them. Uh-huh. But, when, during the winter time I think they, they move south or something Yeah so, I don't do that anymore. And the, the recycling at Georgia Tech, like that, uh, outside the, uh, student center they never empty those things. Uh-huh. I know it,
I know it. They just overflow. It piles up. So what's a guy to do? I just don't know. I asked myself. I just don't know and now they have, like bins and stuff that are a little more convenient because, mean, until seven o'clock, you got to pay to park at the student center, you can't really unload all your stuff. Really? Huh, oh, yeah, that's true, hadn't thought about that. That is very inconvenient. Uh-huh. Inconvenient, even I know it, I know it. But, uh, so, you do recycle, don't you?
Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm kind of, I'm kind of bad about it. The , If I, if see a, if I see a pile of cans or bottles or something I'll throw it in there Uh-huh. but I don't really, I don't ever take anything. Well, I mean, it's real, you ought to, because the, the, the farmer's market recycles absolutely everything. Uh-huh. And since we go there all the time, I mean But wait probably at all. I've never seen you before Who are you? Oh, by the way, may name's Julie. Yeah, my name's Bill. Well, Hi.
Hi. I'm from Atlanta. Me, too. Neat. Crazy. Uh, well, is there anything else you'd like to share me about your recycling philosophy, Julie? I just think that everybody ought to do it. Do they do like, what about, like, uh, what kind of plastic stuff can you recycle, do you know? The only thing I know that you can recycle is milk jugs. Really? Yeah. What about like those grocery bags? Oh, yeah, they have, uh, uh, what I, what I used to, uh, now that I don't go to the grocery store much, it's kind of moot, but I used to just save up the ones that I got one time and then go and hand them to them the next time and use them over and over. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh. but, also most places, like Big Star does and I'm not sure if Kroger does or not but, They'll ask you whether you want bags or paper or plastic. Yeah, and they, they have like little, little boxes that you can put your old bags in. uh. Can bring them in. Those petroleum products are going to kill us. I know it, I know it. The hostile planet, I think, Julie. It really is a small, hostile planet The petroleum pretty much, I mean, those petroleum products I think are the big, uh, you know the great Satan of the recycling. Did you know that, No, really not. Did you know that, like, something like fifty percent of the world's landfills is like paper? Filled with paper. Um.
Paper just seems so innocuous. Huh? Paper doesn't seem threatening at all, you know. Well, it is, it is, though. It comes from trees. How can it be bad? It is, because they, They treat it with chemicals or something? Why can't trees break down? I don't get it. Well, they do treat paper with chemicals like yellow paper, you know takes something like twenty times as long to decompose. Yep. Oh You know, you can bury a piece of yellow paper, it will still be there in a couple of weeks. Really? Yeah Huh. it will be whole.
You'll be able to read off of it. I'm going to switch from those yellow legal pads, then. Yeah, um. I'm glad you told me that, because I use those at work, where I work and, uh, But I can just forget that from now on. I'm going I'm going to switch to the white ones. Well, white paper's bad too. They, they treat it, too. Well, what about, uh, papyrus, you know, made out of you know, bamboo stuff, from the from the banks of the Nile. I'm sure that's fine. I'm sure. Maybe we ought to just start carving in stone again. You think so? Maybe. Tablets? Yeah. I think we should just abandon the, you know, the written word altogether, you know. You think? I don't know, well, I mean, I think we've kind of, you know,
What do you think? I mean, everybody, everybody everybody has a computer. Kind of radical, I know but, We would no longer need paper at all. That's true. Everyone had a two way wrist watch T V on their wrist, like, uh, Dick Tracy. I would love that. So how do you, uh, so, so, it sounds like you've got a television going on there, so I can assume that you probably watch the T V news. Is that, I almost never watch T V news. Really? Wow. I , I get most of my news driving back and forth to work listening to the radio. Uh, what, what station do you listen to? Uh, it's a local radio station. It's called, uh, K L I F, cliff.
Cliff, I see, so, uh, it's not affiliated with anything, is it. Not it's not a network station. No. No. Okay, yeah, because I, I listen to, uh, public radio a lot and they have, they have K C R W, which I, I, I saw a thing recently, they may be trying to start their own, uh, cable TV outlet, I guess. They're getting a little, getting a little feisty now Well, this has, this station has a lot of just ongoing news Uh, and occasionally in the morning, I'll pick up something like, uh, C N N or that, but I hate watching the, like, ten o'clock news or, Yeah, so you have a paper or something or, Yeah, we have a well, we have, uh, DALLAS MORNING NEWS which is the big paper in Dallas. Uh-huh.
We read, I read it pretty much from cover to cover. Yeah. How do you like it? It's been, it's been a while since I read the Dallas news. I, uh, fact, last time I read the Dallas, Dallas news I was in Arkansas. I, uh , The TIMES HERALD went out of business here Oh, yeah? and so we really only have one Dallas newspaper and one, Fort Worth newspaper. Well, that must be pretty bad. So, how did that happen, anyway? Uh, financial trouble. No, not how, I mean, when did it, when did they , Oh, when did it happen? Yeah. I guess they closed down about three months ago. Oh, really. Um.
So, how do you keep up? Oh, me, I, uh, good grief, I read the TIMES, LOS ANGELES TIMES. There's, quite a task if you've ever run into one. They're, uh Yes, they're very voluminous. Yeah, they're thick. Uh, if there's something you want to know, it's, it's in the TIMES and then, and in detail. *repair bracketing wrong Uh, they, uh, we, we used to have two papers here in town and then the HERALD EXAMINER collapsed about two years ago because of, oh, I don't know, just nobody was buying it really. So there really is only one major L A now? Yeah, pretty much. Uh, there used to be, fact, I think there still is, the, uh, the DAILY NEWS which runs out of the San Fernando Valley and, uh, they're not bad as far as a, uh, you know, as far as a local paper goes. In fact, it was kind of weird, because I met the, uh, I met the, I met the editor, uh, while I was on, uh, while I was doing jury service in Santa Monica one time It was like we just sat around and talk about newspapers and stuff. He was a really cool guy. Uh, you know, went to Columbia University and all this stuff. And, uh it's, it's a pretty good paper, but, uh, you know, it's not, it's not the TIMES.

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