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Yeah. Although I, you know, I'm sorry to see some of their, uh, there's, there's a daily news, uh, news rack right around the corner from where I live, which means that they're, they're expanding, I guess. But, uh, and occasionally I, I pick up like TIME magazine or something I think, uh, if they've got an interesting lead story, but you know, it's, I, I don't have time. I used to read TIME magazine a lot, but I don't read it much anymore. Yeah, that's, that's kind of a problem for them. There's a lot of people who fall into that, category. And then we have a local rag here in town that I pick up periodically and read just to see what's going on in our little community. Because we don't get an awful lot of coverage in the DALLAS MORNING NEWS. Uh-huh. I see. Yeah, the big dailies don't like to, don't like to step much out of their, uh, out of their home turf, I have to admit, the TIMES is kind of provincial, too. It's basically anything that's south of downtown, they don't bother to cover. Now, they have started here running a three day, or three times a week Plano section. Uh-huh.
And it's just sort of a, you know, four or five pages that covers what's going on in Plano. But it's still not an awful lot of news. Yeah, I know. I, uh, it was, it was a big discovery when, when the TIMES, when the TIMES found out there was a place called Orange County I mean, the way they, I mean, the way they've been handling it before, they practically, they practically acted like their reporters needed to shots to go south of the L A county border Oh, I would imagine in, uh, you know, in, in Dallas they have plenty happening in Dallas to cover, that it gets hard covering all of the suburbs and, of course, they tend to cover the county, and we're not in Dallas county, so they tend to ignore places outside of the county. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, I, I, I find that attitude kind of arrogant, though. It's like you're taking our money, but you're not bothering to cover the things that are interesting to us. Yeah. Okay. Well, uh, I'll let you start, I guess Well, uh, yeah,
I, I'm employed by a company that does do, uh, random drug testing and I've got some very definite, uh, opinions about it. Uh, you know, which haven't changed all that much from my first reactions from, from when they, when they announced it. But, uh, developed a little more, I guess, but haven't changed that much. What about you? Are you, uh, involved at all? Uh, no. I mean, I'm not, my employer does not do that. Uh, although, uh, I had an ex-employer that, uh, the previous job I used to have, uh, they, after, I guess a few years after I had started with them they made it a condition of employment that you pass a drug test. Yes. Uh, I, I don't know. My feeling is that certain jobs that when there's immediate threat to life and limb, uh, if should somebody be under the influence of drugs, I, I'd be willing to support that. For example, uh, uh, well, uh, uh, train engineers. Yeah. Because it, you know, uh, like, there was an incident several years ago where an Amtrak engineer you know Right. he crashed and killed some people because he was, uh, smoking some marijuana and I guess air traffic controllers. I wouldn't want them to be on drugs. And airplane pilots. But where it's not necessary, uh, in that regard, where it's not an immediate threat to life and limb or property uh, I, I'd, I would seriously question it. Yeah.
Uh, so. Yeah. Yeah. It, uh, that's, that's mine. It, it, you know, I, I go back, it, to me, no matter how much the, our company claims it's not a constitutional issue. That, because this is, uh, between a company and an employee it is not, it is not a government, it's not, the Constitution doesn't apply. But I it, it seems to me that it still should. I, I, our company's doing it because they're a, uh, government contractor Uh, and so it's, it's required for certain, some form, some form of drug program is required to get the government contracts So it's the government that's mandating it to a certain extent? Okay. and our company has taken that and gone all the way. Say, okay, uh, first off we don't, we don't have enough courage to, uh, pick out the people that, that have some sort of indication of possible drug usage, uh, because that would offend them, uh, if they, if they weren't. So we'll just accuse everybody of using drugs and, make it all even. Uh, and and, uh
Yeah. Well, then, uh, but and they, so it's, a, a complete random testing well it's random in the sense that you don't know when. It is not random in the sense that they have said that within three years everyone in the company will be tested. Huh. Uh, and, uh, you know, I, I sit at a terminal and, and write software all day. It, it, uh, certainly has no life threatening, uh, capabilities uh, you know, in, in my job. Right. And, And, and, uh, yes I, I agree that there are, there are, uh, jobs that are definitely life threatening and, and, and there needs to be a line drawn somewhere at, reasonable and proper. you know, Yeah, yeah. I agree. I mean it's, well there's also the issue of, uh,
out here, I remember hearing a year or so ago, that, uh, a lot of, there was a high error rate in the analysis of drug results. or, I shouldn't say high Well, I mean several percent Yeah. I, that, that I, that I will give credit to, to our, our company for in that, that, I think there's, there's a couple of levels of tests in terms of, of, uh, of drugs. And essentially the first thing is is on the order of paper in the urine and, uh, or some, you know, it's not quite that simple, but it's fairly simple. Kind of a coarse kind of test. Coarse kind of test. And then there's a, a much more, uh, uh, refined test, uh, uh, spectrography or whatever it's called. The chemotography uh, to determine exactly what the, what the things are. Is that done, Right. And, uh, Now let me ask you this. Uh, at the time you hired on with this company, uh, was that prior to any, No, I, I've been with this company for, uh, for sixteen years now.
Okay, so that this is obviously not a condition of employment that you subject yourself to this And, uh, No. And it, and it, and it has, it has, you know, they did that three or four years before they did it with everybody. And I, uh, at that time I could justify it in terms of someone new coming in, you don't, you don't know. But, on the other hand, uh, someone new coming in that knows they're going to have a test, Hello. Hello, Hi. Hello this is Lois. Hi, hi, this is Lisa. And, uh, I called you know, from that, the, the T I Data Base Calling Instructions. Uh-huh. Yeah, I got a call yesterday too.
This is a different subject though. Yeah, this is about changes in the women in the, Uh-huh. Uh, there's really a lot, isn't there. Yeah I think there really is. It's kind of an easy thing to talk about. Oh, I guess the work force would be the main, wouldn't it. Yeah, uh, I think you have to push one and then we can start recording it. Okay All right. Okay. Are you ready now? Yes. Okay, like I said I guess it would be the work force, you know, as far as changes in the generations. Yes,
I know because, I know when my mother was a, you know, going into the work force there wasn't very many opportunities for her, I guess, she's in her late forties. You were expected to stay home and take care of the kids and I've never faced that at all. Uh, no, I think now, you go to work when they're six weeks old, you know, Uh-huh. and you stay there. And I feel like the next generation, you'll probably just work right along with your husband, you know. Yeah, uh-huh, I think it's definitely gotten better. Oh, I do to, much. And it's just going to get better. Uh-huh. It really is. Because women are in every field now, I mean I can't think of a field that they're not involved in. Oh, I can't either, not a one. And I know at least in the medical field, it seems like they've come out with a lot further advances as far as female medications and things since women have gotten into the doctor field.
Uh-huh. I don't think that men really took the time to work on that sort of thing. Yeah, even in Washington, you know, there seems to be a lot more women involved. Yeah. Hopefully, the next generation, it won't even be an issue, I mean people will just look at you as a person and not as a man or a woman, Yeah, yeah. I think that would be the best goal. Oh, I do too, just your qualifications and that would be it. Uh-huh, exactly, not what color you are, how old you are, what your male or female. That would be wonderful, I guess it's kind of an ideal world though, huh Yeah, I kind of think, maybe in time, that, you know, you'll go by social security numbers, you know,
Yeah. and that way they can't say well they picked a male over a female, female over a male, you know, Exactly, or the way you look, or the way you, you know, Yeah, yeah. your age or anything. I think that would be a wonderful way to do it. I do to just go by your social security number and then look at you qualifications that, you know, that you have. Uh-huh, and then, And then if you get it, you know then, Uh-huh, also, with, uh, women in the work force they've gotten a lot more options as far as, you know, what's it called, job sharing. Uh-huh. Like if you and another lady were to share the same full time job, or, Oh, yeah. As a matter of fact, that's what I'm doing.
Is it. Uh-huh, it sure is. That would be great. It sure is. Or, a lot of women I know now and my, uh, one of my supervisors, when she went on L O A to have her baby, we hooked up, uh, uh, a terminal at her house and she, you know, we could send her messages, and, and she kept in touch like that, and basically, just worked out of her house. Oh. I would just take her the actual paperwork once, uh, every week or two, and that worked out great too. Yeah, yeah that is. And that's a real attractive option, if you have the, the technology for it. Uh-huh. All it was, was, you know, I mean, she just used a phone modem and she was like she was sitting in the office, so I think that's real nice too, to come up with different options.
Do you like the job sharing? Oh, I do, Do you? I really do, I think it's great. Do you work like half days, or half weeks or, Uh, well like, one week she'll work three days and I'll work two and she'll work two, Oh, oh that's great, and we just share off like that. Uh-huh. Do you get the full benefits? Uh-huh, yeah we get the full benefits. Oh, that's wonderful. But we've just really got a wonderful system that we're working under. Yeah, especially with children, and so many things going on, that would be great. Yeah.
It really is, and that way we're not really missing any thing out, you know, of children, Either way, uh-huh. yeah, you have your career and your home life, and that would be a nice way, especially if you have young children. Oh, it is, it is, well both of ours is school age, but we don't want to miss any of those P T A and, you know, all of that. Uh-huh, oh, no, I think, yeah. My son's just in day-care but even that they have extracurricular activities and the older they get the more that you're involved in that. Uh-huh. I think it's great,
I really, Yeah, and I look for more of that in the next generation. I do too, especially as women get up in management and, and can be in on those decision making, you know, when that subject comes up they can say yes, that would be wonderful. Yes, oh, I do too. Plus, I bet it cuts, cuts down on your absenteeism because you've got two days off that you can do everything, so you don't have to, you know, unless you're just really sick, or the child's sick. Most of the time now, you know, it's just the weekend, or just forget it. Uh-huh, oh yeah, I have to plan way in advance, because, or, what I've done is found like doctors' and dentists' office with extended hours. Uh-huh. That's been real helpful too, like my doctor stays open til nine in the evening. So that's real helpful,
so you don't, you know, have to do it during office hours, run out on your lunch hour. I don't know how many times I've done that to do something, post office or the bank or any kind of errand, To do, yeah. so. Uh-huh. Well I think we've really come a long way in that because, Uh-huh, I guess I take it for granted, kind of, because, I just, it's always been that way. Uh-huh. But I know, Yeah, but I can remember back growing up, my mother, I mean it was she always worked, but it wasn't that easy for her to just take off. Oh no, I can remember my mother getting in trouble if, you know, one of was sick, and I know she probably didn't make hardly anything, you know, compared to the work that she did.
Oh yeah. I think there is still some discrimination there where as, you know, men and women work in the same job, I think men get paid more, Oh, I do too. but I think that's improving. It's such a slow process it's frustrating, but, you can see that it's wrong Yes, yes. and you just want to make it right, but at least the wheels are moving forward. They really are. Yeah, I think it's getting better, not worse. Well, I should probably get back to my job I know, I know the feeling. Call again. Okay,
I sure will. Bye-bye. Okay, bye-bye. Hello. Hello. Hey, how you doing? Not bad, not bad. What's your name? Fernando. Fernando. My name is Nick. Wait. Let me turn off my stereo here Sure Because I've been, like, waiting, like, for about ten minutes to get connected to somebody. Really? Yeah. Phew like a whistling
Man, I'm, Yeah. What time is it over are you, are you in Dallas? No, no. I'm in Detroit. Or not Detroit. I'm in, uh, California. Are you? Yeah. I . Because every time I got through, I went to Dallas, Texas. Really? Yeah. I'm in North Carolina. Oh. Well, you're on the, uh, let's see, On the other coast Yeah,
twenty-one like he is talking to someone other than Yeah. Shoot man, it's, what, midnight almost? What? Yeah, yeah. It's, uh, I'm watching SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE here. Yeah, okay. All right. Well I guess we're supposed to talk, what about credit card? wait. what did, how, how did you get to know about the T I thing? Oh, one of my instructors, uh, said that they were doing something like this and. what are you working on A, a Masters in, uh, information systems.
Really. I'm doing my Masters in, in computer science and computer engineering. Yeah? Where at? At North Carolina State University. Hey. How do you like it out there Uh, I don't. Because, uh, I come from a lot, a bigger city than this one and I, I'm in Raleigh Yeah. and, Oh. Raleigh Durham. Yeah. Yeah. That area. And it's really small. All, all you have is like towns built around universities. Uh-huh. Like Chapel Hill?
Yeah. So it, it's basically a bunch of small towns anyway. Kind of quaint little towns but they don't have a whole lot there. Yeah. Where you at? Uh, well, I'm in Monterey, California right now Yeah. Oh, okay. So, so I mean, it's like this, this town probably has like two hundred and fifty thousand people and that's about it. Two hundred fifty? Yeah. Okay. It, it's, it's a lot bigger than Monterey is. But we're just, uh, just south of, uh, San Jose and San Francisco. Oh, okay. And it's only a couple of hours away or a hour away to a, you know, to a large city. So, so where do you go? Do you go to Berkeley?
No, no. I go to the, it's the naval postgraduate school out here. Oh, okay. Because, uh, I was looking at, at the, doctorate degree in computer science center at Berkeley Uh-huh. And they're asking like for a, uh, G P A of like three point seven or something like that. Uh-huh. And like they're looking like for, uh, G R E like ninety-nine percentile and this and that. Yeah. And it's like, Well, that's what they look for. Whether or not they get it is hard to say like a chair is drug across the * spelling: "dragged", not "drug" in this case Yeah, I know. That's why, that's why I didn't apply. I mean, it was like for me, it was like practically impossible to get between like ninety and, ninety-nine percentile on the, on the verbal part. Yeah Yeah. It's pretty tough.
It's pretty tough I, uh, let's face it, you know. And, you know, I, you know, did the, you know, as far as, I found it a lot of times with, regards to education, you know, the school only takes you so far, you know. It's what you do. You know. Yeah. So, uh, I don't lose any sleep, sleep over stuff like that. So, are, are you going to go for your Doctorate? Probably not. See I'm in the Navy. Yeah. And, uh, you know, most of the Navy funds that I probably won't do it until I, if I do do it, it will be after I get out of the Navy. When do you get out? Oh, probably be another twelve years. Oh, okay Oh, you know I like what I'm doing right now. But, uh, but what if they pay for it?
Excuse me? What if they pay for? If they pay for a P H D? Yeah. Nah, they won't pay for it. They've, I think they have maybe two people a year go get, get their P H D. Because I know, I know a couple of people here that work for, uh, the Army. Uh, Yeah. They civilians or, uh, military? I think, I think they're military. But, I mean, the guy is still in. Uh-huh Uh-huh. And, uh, uh, he works over in Maryland Uh-huh And so he's doing his Masters here. They gave him like a scholarship like for a year. Yeah. And he's doing it in like, in a year and a summer.
Uh-huh. And so he's getting that and, uh they said like they got a lot of benefits and that. Yeah. That's why you want to join. Uh-huh. But, uh, this guy, I mean you can earn a lot more money so you say, I go why you still there if you can earn a lot more money, once you've get your, your, your Masters. Uh-huh. They go, well they got a lot of benefits that would go with it so. Well, a lot of times it's, you know, a lot of times it's not the money that keeps that keeps people in . Yeah. They, they like what they're doing. They, you know, they feel good about what they're doing. That type of thing. It's more But I mean, I mean, you,
the, once you get your Masters, you can be earning between, anywhere between like thirty-seven, forty-five thousand a year. Uh-huh And and that's not what they're paying. Oh, easily, I'm sure. No. Well, it depends on what rank you are, of course Yeah. Yeah, I know I mean, like I say, if you're, if you're, you know, if you're at an upper level in the rank category, you know, you're probably pulling down close to seventy grand a year. Yeah. But that's, uh, Yeah. Those are few and far between though. Yeah. It's like, it's like, uh, in I B M. In I B M, you can get certain points Uh-huh.
and, uh, everyone's a manager. But nobody can get one more point to become, you know, like whatever you need to earn so much money. Yeah. Since I imagine it's fairly competitive. Yeah. It's like, no I, I mean, I B M is like, there's a joke about I B M which says, you know, it's like, uh, all, all the major companies get into a, a boating race, right? Uh-huh. And so, I B M says well we have, we have to have a team, right. Uh-huh And then they come in last and they have this whole team, you know, analyze why they came in last right. Because the person asked for it. Yeah. Saying, he goes, uh, the problem was that there were five people saying row, row, row and one person rowing, right. So he goes, have you come up with a uh, have you come up with a solution? They go, yeah,
change the rower You know, it's like everyone's a, manager but, you know, it's like only use like one person does the work Yeah. so. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Yeah. So. Yeah. I don't know, that can be, that, that can really slow you down. Yeah. Well, that's the way it works. I mean, that's, that's why they're having problems. I mean, everyone's a manager and, I didn't realize that. Yeah. I mean, it's like, it's like the people that actually do the work there are, uh, very few. Uh-huh.
And then the other people just plan it, you know. It's like, it's like have you, have have you ever seen the commercial like for Federal Express where the, with, uh, the think tank? You know, push paper around. Uh-huh. like all these people are just standing, sitting around, just going, you know, like what shall we do? Has anybody thought of anything? No. And then this guy from Federal, Federal Express comes along. They go what's that? This track which it's going around the world and they can tell you where your package is anywhere, any time. Uh-huh. And so it's like the same thing with I B M. You know, so they have this think tank. And they got to come up with ideas. But, see, uh, the, the thing is, that I B M is so stabilized that everybody will buy their stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. They've got a, they've got basically a, uh, you know, a lock on a lot of the market. Yeah. And a lot of times you figure, you know, with the support that they provide, you know,
people generally go with that because they figure that the, you know, you probably won't get fired for getting I B M material. Whereas if you try something different, they'll they'll say yeah, And it fails and you're dead. why didn't you buy, why didn't you try something more mainline. Yeah. Well I B M doesn't fire anybody. Because uh, what they do is they, they put you in a different job. Which you actually are like sitting around not doing anything. No. Uh-huh. So you quit. Uh. I mean that's their policy. They never fire anybody unless you're caught doing something illegally. Illegal or something like that, yeah. Yeah, like if you're stealing something or doing anything like that Uh-huh. But they won't let you off.
What they'll do is like suppose, you know, like you're a manager. So they'll put you into keeping up the paper, you know. Uh-huh. It's like how much paper is going in? And then you say that's not my job, Uh-huh. so you quit. So, in other words, that's the way they force people out Right. That's why they can say, you know, there's no layoff policy. Right. But it they don't really say that, you know, you're, you're always going to have great career conditions. Right. hey, that's kind of sad. No, but I mean, it's like, it's like they, they have just like different policy. I don't know. My dad works for them
but it's like I B M like never in their commercials, they never put down any other company, you know. It's like they won't say, No. Well, they're the standard right now. Or as far as that goes, you know, people think of computers, they think of I B M a lot of times. And the main, Yeah. Because see what happens is they have a good backup policy. And anybody can fix it. Uh-huh. And so that's what you're going to go for. Yeah. Well, you know, that's, that's a, that's a big thing. And, and, you know, it's like, for example, like Leading Edge. Have you ever heard of Leading Edge? Yeah. They are out of Korea right. What? Leading Edge. Don't they
They, they made like, uh, small personal computers. Yeah. Small P C they're out of Korea right? I don't know. I don't know. But what they do is, what they did, I don't know, is buy all the parts that I B M would throw away. And build an I B M P C with all the parts that I B M would throw away. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah Yeah. for example, you test a chip. It can't last seven years but it can last five. I B M says let's throw it away. Leading Edge will say we'll buy it from you. Okay. And so that's, I mean, they're still around I think. Yeah. I've seen, well I've seen them around anyway. You know .
So, that's what they do. They buy all, all the things that I B M throws away and they , and that's why they're so compatible. Because I mean Uh-huh. and by the time you have computer for five years, you're going to throw it away anyway. You know. Most people do. Or they have to anyway. Well, I mean, there's like, well in a way you realize, I mean, one one of my teachers got this computer which, you know, it's like, uh, voice, uh, synthesizing stuff. Uh-huh. And he got that. He said, you know, it's like, uh, I was testing it * LISTEN to this sequence that begins here and ends with A.215 utt 11. I can't tell how much Speaker A is quoting, and how much he'she is directly addressing Speaker B. and it was wonderful. And then when you tried to erase and correct, you know, all the errors in your voice, it takes up all your memory. Wow. And I want more, you know. And it's like Jesus Christ, you know,
it's like why do you want more. Because it's like one second of recording. I mean you put into Wave Uh-huh. and you want to correct the errors into Wave, it takes so much, I mean, it's like, of course it does. I mean, by the times it transforms into Wave by mark off model and you put it in there, and you want to correct those. And then, you know, you're trying to make the, the Wave smooth so you can approximately, of course it's going to take a lot. Imagine, imagine what it is for us to make mark off models, you know. It's amazing. Yeah. It's like, Jesus Christ. Well, when you get, you know, when you get right down to it, the, uh, the more they can do for you, the more, uh, like I say, the more, the more memory they're going to require. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Both, both in terms in Ram as well as, uh, you know, standard memory or disk disk base, Yeah. so. Well, like they say, like nobody can get enough, you know. It's like once you have something, and it's like Oh, yeah. You find out more, I was watching this program on T V yesterday. In nineteen seventy-six NASA came up with Three D graphics. Yeah. Right. Uh-huh. And they were showing this like Three D Three D graphics view of like, Like the deal? What? No, no,
no. Like a hologram? This is like, this is like video game stuff. With just graphics on, on a, Okay? Okay But the only thing was, that it was just lines, okay. Like if you I guess, um, I'm going to school while I'm working at T I, so there's not a whole a lot of time that I've got, uh, for hobbies it seems like lately. But one of the things that I do when I've got some spare time is I do some woodworking. And that, oh, I guess, ranges anywhere from, uh, carpentry work to, um, um, some types of furniture and, um, oh, I don't know what you would call them, knickknacks, I guess, stuff you hang on the wall to put a mirror on and I made some, um, candle sconces that you hang on the ... Yeah, I have quite a few of those that my uncle made. There's something about working with wood that, that I enjoy, that, I don't know if it's the saw dust or the mess you make or the smell of the wood but, As you know, I think it's more like the mess you make, isn't it?
You don't have to worry about cleaning it up. Yeah, because it's, it's out there. You know I don't have to worry about getting stuff on the carpet except when I track in saw dust, and the wife gets kind of aggravated about that, but then, I get the opportunity to vacuum, so I guess I get some of both. What are some of your things you like to do? Well, when I have time I do like to sew, um, I had been doing a lot of crocheting. I make a lot of afghans or used to make a lot of them. Yeah. My mother was real heavy into crafts, and I would help her with whatever she happened to be doing, and then, she would go to these, uh, arts and crafts shows and sell her needlework. Oh, yeah. So, a lot of times I'd help her with that. I haven't had much opportunity to work on any other craft stuff lately we've been trying to start up a business and then trying to get my garden going. Yeah,
it's a good time for gardening. Oh, yeah, it's been beautiful this last week but, I could do with a little less wind, but I think the, the temperature has been pretty good so far for working outside. Yeah. Do you find you do most of your, your, uh, crocheting or your knit work around Christmas time? I usually start in the fall. Yeah. And my husband says I do it, you know, make afghans so I can keep my lap warm. Well, that's kind of what my wife says. She enjoys doing it during the cold weather because she's always got something to cover her, her legs and feet with while she is working on it. Yeah. I know it seems like, she, I think she made three this year one for, uh, my father-in-law and then a couple of brothers and sisters. So, those things they take some time to make. Yeah, I found one that's real easy, it's, it's, um, um, um,
shoot, I can't even remember the name of it now, but you make it in strips. And it's real easy to do, and it's just that it doesn't keep your feet quite as warm because you do it in strips like that but it's, Well, that's kind of like quilting. Yeah, yeah. I think Mile a Minute. That's the name of it. Mile a Minute. Mile a Minute. Well, I'm not sure what she does I, I, first thing that comes to mind is some kind of chain stitch because she starts and goes all the way across, you know, back and forth until she winds up with this big piece of, of afghan. I guess that is your standard knitting, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Usually single crochet would, is, is always starts it off.
Yeah, I know, If we have a problem with our connection and get disconnected some time or other, don't worry about it. We have a, a very small phone company down here. Oh, okay. And my husband says that's called rinky-dink Instead of call waiting or call anything else. No, no. We can't have that down here. We get disconnected all the time. Well, I guess that's, that's one way to end a conversation. Yeah, well, it gets a little aggravating. I've got kids all over the United States and, and, you know, sometimes they get disconnected when I'm talking to them. Yeah. What, have you started your garden yet? Yes.
We planted, um, potatoes and onions and bell peppers. Um, boy. Uh, what else did I get in there, and jalapeno peppers. Oh, yeah, always got to have those. Yeah. I think I had four, uh, jalapeno plants last year. I think one of them died, but I, I've got, I've put them, I chop them up and put them in jars and usually give them away because I, there is no way that I can eat all of those nobody else in the family likes them, but always got to the keep those planted. Yeah, oh, my husband doesn't like them either, but I can always give them away. Well, that's kind of the way I am, um. Besides they're fun to grow. I planted, uh, zucchini last year. Uh, I planted four hills of them. I think I had three or four seeds in each one of them,
and those things just flat took over. Um, it wasn't until late, I guess in the summer, maybe it was because it was too dry, they finally started making zucchini, and I'm not sure when a good time to plant those is, if they should be planted early or later. It seems like all I got was, Supposedly after the soil warms up. I would think so, um, seems like these all, they all went to, uh, to leaf, and it wasn't until late in the summer they started making fruit. So, I don't know if I, Mom would say you planted them in the wrong sign of the moon. You know, Uh-huh. but I don't, I hadn't looked at a farmers almanac to find out when a good time for zucchini is. I, I doubt if zucchini is in there. It may not be, it may not be. Probably the same time the, the other squash is though. You think they're later in the year? Yeah.
Uh. About the same time that you plant okra because it's supposed to be warm. Well, that's true. Most of the okra that is growing around higher is, is, uh, later okra. Yeah. Well that's about, um, We decided this year, Go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, it's a little over six or seven minutes. So whenever you feel comfortable about concluding, well, I'm, that would be fine. Oh, just any time. Well, all right. I guess we'll call this one quits an, and thanks for participating. All right. Well, I've enjoyed talking to you. All right,
have a good time. Okay. Bye. Bye. You said you have four cats? Yes, I have four cats. How old are they? Well they range from, let's see about a year and a half to nine years old. Oh gosh. Yes. I haven't had my oldest one quite nine years, I've had him probably five years. Oh okay, you get so attached to them. Oh yes, I love my cats. I lost one, one time, uh, Oh. the first one I got.
He jumped off the balcony actually, of a second story apartment. Oh no. And he'd never been outside, like, you know, by himself outside. Uh-huh. And it started raining and I was hysterical. I was, I was, I mean, you would have thought a child had died. Yes, uh-huh. I called everyone I knew, I had every friend I knew in the apartment searching for this cat. Yes, I understand. And they laughed at me, they thought that was so hysterical. Oh no, I understand, we, uh, we've gone through the same things with ours, we've had, you know, they've been ill,
I mean I take off work, to take care of my cats, you know, Oh yeah. my boss thinks I'm absolutely crazy. And then we had a baby and it's like, all right who comes first the cat or the baby. The cat was here first so I know, it's hard. And, and then when we go to sleep at night, you know, it's like my husband and I have to try to get any space on the bed because we have all four of them up there with us. Oh, how funny. It's like all right, whose corners is this one. That's sweet, I have the two, the other two cats I have are outdoor cats. Oh, uh-huh. And they didn't used to be actually, but they got kind of wild and weren't doing very well inside, so I put them outside once I got a house and they're doing great out there, they love it.
But the other one, the first one I got he doesn't want anything to do with outside unless you're there. Oh, uh-huh. Other than that he gets scared to death. If you shut that door he goes into hiding. Oh no. I think it's from the time he jumped off the balcony Yes, uh-huh, that's it And Lord knows what happened to him. He's probably been through all kinds of nightmares. Right, traumatized for life here. Probably. Oh yeah, we've, all four of ours are house cats. Are they. We started out with two, with two outdoor cats but our neighbor decided he didn't like cats and shot one of them.
Oh no. Oh well he lived through it, oh, I couldn't believe it. We went through like twenty-two hundred dollars worth of vet bills. Oh my gosh. The, the cat almost died, and but he turned out to be such a wonderful cat, oh he loves life now. Oh, I imagine. And he's like oh, thank you so much. I wonder how many of his lives he missed, when that happened. I know, we wondered about that. But, uh, oh that was a traumatic experience for us too. Oh, I can imagine, what did he shoot him with. Uh, well, uh, from what we can tell it was a pellet gun and then he started chasing him with a bull whip. Oh my gosh. People are crazy.
Oh yes, absolutely nuts. But, uh, luckily enough, you know, we found the cat in time and, uh, rushed him to the vet and it took us about six weeks of in and out of the vet and surgery and, Oh Lord. I mean he started off as a stray and then we did all this for him Oh man. But oh, he's been a wonderful cat. I imagine. They usually are after something like that happens to them. It seems to mellow them or something. Oh yes. But, uh, we wouldn't we wouldn't have them, I mean, I don't see us without pets, without cats. No. There's just, uh, there's this, they just fill this void. Oh yeah, I I keep talking about getting rid of my outdoor cats because I feel like I don't, I can't take care of them as well because they're outside,
Uh-huh. and it worries me that one day one of them won't come back, Yes. and I feel like they need a big home, a nice place where someone can have the time to play with them and things. But I can't give them up. Oh no. I just, I go hysterical when they don't come home. Right and you worry about, oh, who's taking care of them. Oh, oh yeah, and every time you see one hit on the side of the road you say is that my cat. Uh-huh. And you go crazy thinking it might be yours. Right, well I didn't realize my husband was such a sucker for animals until I brought one home one night. We, I had one that had, we had, we had to put to sleep he got so sick. Uh-huh. And, uh, well I fell in love with this, uh, it's a Chinchilla Persian, and, uh, brought him home, Ugh! and oh, my husband just died.
Really. It was like we can't take it back you've got, we've got to keep it now. It's here now, we have to keep it. Yeah, my, my first one that I got, I had just moved away from home and got my own apartment. It took me about two weeks to realize, that was real lonely. Uh-huh, uh-huh, yes. So I found this one and, uh, actually it was on a sign at Taco Bell drive-thru that said free kittens. Oh uh-huh. And I thought well that's interesting, I'll call them. Right. And he was the only one left and his mother had been killed coming back across the road to make sure she'd gotten all her kittens.
Oh, uh-huh. And he was the last one she carried across, you know, the whole big sad story. Oh. So of course, I had to take him. I felt so sorry for him after that. Right, right. And he is, uh, you can tell he was weaned too young because he'll nurse on your ears and your fingers. Oh no. Yeah, he, I asked the vet why he did that and he said he was probably weaned too young, which he was, because his mom was killed, so. Yeah. But he is the lovingest cat. Everybody, people who don't even like cats, like him. Oh. He never meows,
he, he doesn't have any front claws, I had him declawed, Oh, uh-huh. but he doesn't bite anybody he's just, he's just kind of there, real friendly and docile. Oh that's good. Oh we just, uh, just love them. They, uh, you know, get to feeling so lovey and dovey and they'll come up and just start kneading in our chest and it's like oh, your claws need trimming. Oh yeah, yeah, we do, we call that doing biscuits, Oh yes, yes. it looks like their kneading bread *spelling "their" should be "they're" Oh it just drives us nuts. Oh, I just love cats. I like dogs, they're okay,
I had, I had a dog when I lived at home Um, yeah. but they're a lot more trouble than cats actually. They really are. The cats are so independent and they have so much more personality than a dog. Oh yeah, they do. And, but oh, they're so much fun to watch them play. Oh they are. I love it, it's so funny to get more than one cat together, because it brings out their personalities. Yes. And they just act so funny. Oh, we've got, well the two that were outside, they're like brothers, I mean I've never seen two cats so close. Really. And, uh, they, uh, will get to playing chase through the house, Uh-huh.
and it is hysterical, I mean and then the other two cats will follow in pursuit. It's like this train. A train of cats running around. I mean it sounds like a train. We have wooden floors and so it just sort of echoes through the house Oh how funny, I can imagine. Yeah, I wouldn't give anything for my cats. I love them to death. Oh no, they're just, they're, they're just, uh, they're wonderful, uh. What are your cats' names. Uh, we have, uh, Bonzo, Bear, Poindexter, and Felix. Oh, how sweet. And what do you have. I have Xanadu and Precious, and Rascal. Oh.
Precious and Rascal are brother and sister and they don't look a thing a like. Nothing. Precious is a medium hair yellow cat, Uh-huh, yeah. and Rascal is a black and white short hair. Nothing. They don't look a thing a like, Not a thing, goodness gracious. and they came from the same litter and everything. We have, uh, uh, tortoise which is a black and, and orange. Oh. And she's so ugly. So ugly she's cute, right. Yes, uh-huh. I mean you can't help but love her. She's, she's the oldest one and, but, uh, very possessive.
Really. I mean it's like nobody messes with her mamma. Oh. And, uh, I mean, it comes bedtime and she's right there. Is she the oldest one? Yeah, she's the oldest. And she, well in fact I got her when I moved out of the house also. Really. And so yeah, it's, uh, wouldn't have, I mean, oh, if something happens to her. Oh I know it's like the end of the world. It will be. I know that's how I am about Xanadu. Oh, goodness.
You get so attached to them. Oh definitely. My mother has dogs and I'm like, no. Yeah. This is nothing like cats. You can walk a dog and that's okay for weekend but cats are good all the time. Right, I'm so glad my husband is a cat person because if he was a dog person, no, it wouldn't have worked. It wouldn't have, no that would be a problem Oh that's one of the requirements I asked him. I said, now you do like cats, right. We don't Have you seen those, uh, do you ever read COSMO. Yes,
uh-huh. There was cartoon in COSMO about a year or two ago and it had this man sitting on a couch with his date and there were cats hanging all over him. Hanging on his clothes, you know, they had ripped him up and the couch was ripped up and down at the bottom he said, of course I love cats. And they were just all over him and sitting on his head, the whole nine yards. It was so funny. Oh yeah, oh, the whole time I was pregnant they kept saying, are you getting rid of your cats, are you getting rid of your cats. You can't be pregnant and have cats. I'm like, uh, no, no, no. Watch me. Right, the child will learn to like cats. and deal with them, Definitely. I'm sorry, we are not getting rid of the cats.
Oh I wouldn't either. There'd be no way. The whole family was so disappointed Oh really, oh well. Right. That's life, that's how life goes. Right, uh, but yes, we just, just love them to death. I know, I love mine too. Well, it's been nice talking to you. Well it was nice talking to you too, I enjoyed it. Me to. Bye, bye. Bye,
bye. So well, you're, you, you take this subject much more personally than I do, I suppose. I suppose I do because I've seen a lot of those changes, the changes that women have had in the last well, you know, not even the last generation, the last fifteen years twenty years, going from, Uh-huh. well, take it back, thirty years I'm going back too far, from my parents' generation when mom stayed home, period Yeah. and there was no such thing as a job or any hope of a job, well, unless, if you were educated you got, you know, you might teach for a year or two before you got married. Yeah. And if you really pushed it, you taught until you had kids or something you know, Yeah. if you had, if you were a teacher. Then, you know, that was it, until the kids were little. Yeah, you, you weren't supposed to want a job. Yes. There was not, there's not supposed to be any reason to use this education or this brain that you might have for anything other than your house and your children and how clean can the bathroom floors be on any given day. Yeah. And then, and then of course today it's supposed to be all the other way. You're supposed to only want the job,
and, and, uh, your kids should be totally happy in day care, because everybody else goes to day care Yeah. and, and we have these wonderful people who are who are totally prepared to to teach your child everything they need to know in day care Uh-huh. Yeah, but but, uh, a really good day care is probably going to cost more than you're going to make at the job. and we'll see how the generations go. Yeah, I, at least for a lot of women depending on, on what she did. Yeah. I've, I was an engineer with, uh, mechanical engineer with T I, and, uh, I did it for six years and for one, well I had one while I was pregnant, and then one while my oldest was a year old, and, and it just drove me crazy. Did you, I could not do either well I couldn't put in enough overtime that was or that, you know, things that would come up at work, that would require me to stay late or to come in early or to do something on Saturdays as is, you know, as is needed, because my husband for a long time was out of the country also with, uh, with work, for like three months
Uh-huh. Oh, yeah, and, So it was you and the kid and your work schedule is. Yeah. Well that's the thing, see, you know, maybe if you get along for example if you'd been a technician instead of an engineer. You know, the technicians work the eight to five job and know when they're going to be there. Yeah, might have been better. Yeah. But if you're going to be more professional oriented, then you've got to have this, to be able to perform well on the job you've got to have the flexibility that doesn't really go with the family. Yeah, and so it was, in my case, I just, uh, decided that, as long as my kids were little, I would be better off at home with them, instead of driving myself crazy trying to do everything at once. Uh-huh. So you figure one of these days you're going to go back to being an engineer?
Is that what you're saying? Well, actually I've found out that I'm not going to go back to being an engineer. What will you, I'm, I'm, I'm a photographer now. Oh, okay, you've found something else. I have, I have branched out. I was a photographer before, but when I went to college it was, I felt like I couldn't support myself if I decided to be a photographer that it would just have to be a hobby, Yeah. and I'm very mechanical, and mechanical engineering interested me, so I did that. And then I, you know, I did that for six years. And then I stayed home with my son, and did nothing. And found out that I was, that, you know, it was great, Yeah. but I was bored part of the time, too. And I wanted something else to do, Yeah, I mean, you figure there's got to be more to life than sitting here playing with this child.
Yeah, it's, it's great while they're really little, but as they get older and they're more independent, and there's things to do, then it's good for them to go to different, Uh-huh. I mean, it, he goes to a, a mother's day out program now once a week. Both of my kids do, and so they're getting, they get the socialization with other kids, and, you know, and not really school, but, but a different authority than mom, once in a while, you know, kind of learning how to deal with society. And, and they need that, you know, to be able to relate to other people besides the same person every day. Yeah, I think they do, too. And I need it for the break. Yeah, well, that's the other thing, you know, they talk about women leaving the home and going out to work, well, still taking care of the children is a very important job. Uh-huh. And, and someone's got to do it, and be able to do it right, and and if it's not mom then, then dad or somebody's got to move in there and do the job, because the kids really need it. And enjoy it, that's, that's the whole thing.
Yeah. I think that's the thing that we're going to see, well, I think the biggest thing we're going to see coming up in the next ten year, even in the, even now they're starting to do it, but I think it's going to be more in the next ten to fifteen years, is that there's going to be a lot of women, and they're going to have to work it out to working part time. Uh-huh. Because if, if I had been allowed to work, you know, maybe thirty hours a week instead of fifty hours a week, I might still be working basically full time or part time, if there was, if there had been some way to work it out, Yeah. because, I liked my job really well. Uh-huh. But I was just pulled in so many different directions I was, it was just driving me crazy. And now, with the photography, that's, you know, it's working, that's what I'm doing, is working part time because I can put my kids in a day care situation for a few hours in the, uh, week and use those hours to do. Yeah. The thing that I'm doing is taking school pictures in day cares and in Mother's Day Out programs, and also soccer teams, and, you know, different stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. So my kids can be in day care for a few hours a week,
or my husband, if it's, you know, uh, when he's at home, can take care of them. Yeah, so jobs have to, I guess, become more flexible. I think they're really going to have to, and not, and not just for mothers, for fathers as well. Yeah. It's going to have to be both. Well, so, so that's another thing that has to adapt is, you know, the, the father's attitudes about, you know, who, whose job is this. Yeah. Well, it, it's his job too. And I, to me the only important issue is the children, because as far as housework goes, you know, men can do housework just as easily as women, and thanks to a lot of new inventions, housework doesn't take as much time as it used to. So, uh, It's just convincing your husband that that's important, or that it's important enough for him to do it. Yeah yeah, just, yeah, con,
Yeah, well. Because if he saw mom doing only that you know, all the time he was growing up then it's hard to think of it in that, other, uh, that I should do it or just to think about doing it rather than having someone tell him to do it. Uh-huh. Yeah. And you, you, you, Yeah, you talk, yeah, Yeah. I know that was a big thing in our house for a long time was that if I wanted my husband to do something to help, and even though we were both working the same number of hours, and, and doing things, I had to come in there specifically and say this needs to be done, Uh-huh. Yeah. this is what you do it now. And a man might say out loud, well, you know, I understand this and I agree, but still he was raised with a mom taking care of him Yes, and, and that's a very hard attitude to change.
Yeah, and without, and, and it's just they don't look at things. Most of the men don't walk into the kitchen and see that the dishes are there and that yes, you probably ought to unload the dishwasher and load the new ones in and run it. Uh-huh. They just, you know, just scoot it on another spot on the sink and put the next plate down, and in a while get around to it. And I think most women walk in and, and, and with, Oh, got to clean all this up. Got to get this out and this in and this, you know, taken care of, instead of having someone say now, this needs to be this is the time this needs to be done, Yeah, uh-huh, yeah. Uh-huh. but, And a lot of that is, is how it was drilled into you when you were a kid. Which brings us back to the idea, you know, someone's got to be there taking care of the kids to drill in these you know, drill in the right ideas to, so that they know that, uh, you know, male and female are both responsible for doing this That's right. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh. and, uh. And I think that's, that's going to show up a lot more now, in the, in the next generation of, of boys and girls. It's not, they're not going to, the boys in this next generation are not going to have to be told as much this needs to be done, because mom was there saying that dad is there, you know, Uh-huh.
Yeah. you both got to, they were both working at whatever things were, needed to be done. Um. Uh-huh. They're going to say to the kids you need do this, because it needs to be done not because it's a woman's job or a man's job, but because it's dirty and it needs to be clean. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. But I think in between we got a group of kids, a generation of kids who didn't learn to take responsibility because mom left to go get a job and dad didn't move in to fill the gap. And so, basically no one was taking the responsibility And it's going to, It's going to, and I think that's happened in a lot of cases. yeah, some kids are really having it. If they'd been in day care the entire time and it wasn't, yeah, the ones that are now getting to be teenagers and in some cases, young college. Uh-huh. Un, you know some time day care is really good, Yeah.
but sometimes, it's just, it's baby-sitting. Yeah. It's someone, you know, keeping an eye on the kids but the kids are basically doing what they want and not really having any relationship with the adults to say, you know, here's what's right Yeah. and here's what wrong, and here's what we expect of you. Yeah, I think that was one of the main reasons that I quit, was because I wanted my kids to have my values, and I felt like when they were young, that was the time to instill it. That it could be, it could be added to and strengthened as they grew older, but when they were little, you know, Yeah. this is the way I feel about this, and this is the way, because I, it's that, you know, when you, when you, if you, if you teach them when they're little the way you want them to be, and the things that are important to you, then you just, you add onto it as they get older. Uh-huh. But if no one does anything when they're little, then it's twice as hard as, I think, as they get older. Yes. I'm saying this as I'm trying to keep my nine month old from trashing something. Yes, I understand,
I wait until I put mine in bed before I make my calls. Yeah, well, she's usually in bed by this time, but she's staying up late tonight. But, yeah, I want to have a relationship with her. You know, my dad was a very traditional dad, and when I was a child I didn't really know my dad very well, and I miss that. And I want, That's the thing, if woman's role, like we said, if women's roles change drastically, men's roles will, too. Yeah, but men have to be convinced of that. And a lot of it's for the better. Some of the, some of the women's roles, I think, are almost for the worse, because we're losing out on some things, going back to work, but I think if we can, if we can expand the men's roles at the same time, like your taking care of your child, and your dad typo: your for you're probably didn't very often No. I know mine almost never did ...
Uh-huh. Okay movies. I haven't seen too many lately. I have kids and we went and saw THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER, Under, over the, the break. Uh-huh. Do, do you have kids you take to movies or, No, no kids. Yeah. It's a Walt Disney movie and it didn't get as, you know, as good a reviews as like the LITTLE MERMAID, their last one, and got all kinds of Academy Awards and things last year. But this one was, I thought was excellent. The , Was that the animated version? Yeah, it's animated. And I can't believe how good they're getting with their animation now.
It's just, just the special effects, you know. And in this movie, this, there's this boy and he rescues this, uh, bald eagle and, uh, and it's a huge eagle, you know, wing span of twenty feet or something like that. And the boy actually rides on his back and he rides through the clouds, you know, and you see him coming out of the clouds, his head coming out and then the bird coming out, and it, you know, they're flying all over with it. And I mean, I know they, there must have used, been computers or something for animation this day, but it was just so real, realistic and lifelike and good animation. It was a good show. Even better than ROGER RABBIT insofar as animation? Well, ROGER was a composite one. Yeah . There's one, there's a movie I've seen, ROGER RABBIT. That's not a recent movie, but, uh, I enjoyed that show. Yeah, that was made in a few, I don't know, several years back, I guess. Yeah,
yeah. Latest, latest one I've saw which was a mistake to go see was LIONHEART, had Claude Van Damme. Uh-huh. He was, he's of course, uh, I guess he's trained in this, uh, martial arts of some sort, but the plot was bland, the acting was bland. It was just mostly centered upon his abilities to Chop them up, huh? yeah, chop them up, exactly. And, This is supposed to be the, the guy that's, uh, replaces Bruce Lee or whatever or, or the next Chuck Norris type of guy. Yeah. Or he's singular I guess, you know. You know how they can make any of, any single one of them in a movie to be a super superstar of any sort, you know, Uh-huh. Superstar. Uh-huh.
but Chuck Norris, of course, could be just about equal, if not more Uh-huh. or, and all of them, I guess, could be in that fashion, or category. Hum. Uh-huh, uh-huh. It was about, uh, a, French Foreign Legion fellow who deserts to go help his brother's wife who got, who became a widow because he was selling drugs . and he got killed. Really uplifting, huh So he deserts and goes to New York and he starts out by fighting to make money, and then he moves on to L A to where that, where she is to just help him out. Uh-huh. It was really, I mean the Hollywood really must think there's some real dummies out there or something. I don't know Yeah, I haven't heard, I hadn't heard much about that movie. I, other than it was a chop them up movie.
But, uh, well, I guess that's one I won't go see Well, it was worth the buck I guess. Oh, you went to the dollar movie? Yeah. Yeah, they show up at the dollar movie right after they get, come out. You know they're usually not, not that great or didn't do that great anyway. A lot of, Let me see. Let me see another movie I watched. Uh, I want to see, uh, that new one, uh, that won all those Academy Awards this year, DANCES WITH WOLVES. Uh-huh. I haven't seen that. Have you seen that one yet? Yeah. What, what, what, I, I absorbed all of that movie in one sitting. Uh, I guess what made it so good was the cinematography, The, the wide open, the spaces,
Yeah, and the music and, uh, well, it had an excellent story line. Everything about it was good. Uh-huh. Um, I thought an excellent one, too, was MISERY with Kathy Bates and James Caan. I'm not a James Caan fan, but that was a well directed and acted movie. Is that right? I'd recommend it. It's a little on the violent side Uh-huh. but then what movie isn't anymore. Right, right. Yeah, our movies today, it used to be X and, you know, and P G used to be R and, seems like the rating system, you know, is kind of switching that way a little bit Well, I have no objections to it.
It's just, uh, and it's a matter of your taste, uh, Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just that, yeah, it's just that the rating system seems, you know, instead of having X now, they have what, N C seventeen? Yeah. They just changed it because X had a connotation with it, you know, so, And even on those type they don't show what you expect. Right. A lot of those are really violent type movies. Right. Really gory. Yeah, that seems to be the norm of most movies, but what the hey. Yeah.
This is America. Let me see. One movie I saw, I guess it was a while back, RED OCTOBER. Yeah. Have you seen that one? Yes, I have. That was pretty good. Yeah, I read the book before so I knew the story line going in, but they changed some things in the movie. It wasn't the same. I thought the book was better than the movie, but I thought the movie was really good as well. I always wait for the movie. I don't have time to read the book. Yeah. I don't, I read about one or two thick novels like that a year. You know,
Uh-huh. that's about all the time I can, I can spare. But that was a good show I thought, you know. I read about how they did, uh, an article on how they did all the special effects with the submarine. You know, that wasn't a real submarine you saw in the water. It was, it was all done in studio with smoke and mirrors and all the Hollywood magic. Yeah. All those underwater scenes. I thought, you know, it looked to me like it was a real submarine, that was in the water, you know. They , That's the magic of Hollywood, special effects. Yeah. I hear this movie F X part two coming out is, uh, pretty good. Is that right? Did you ever see the original one? I didn't. It was, uh, you ought to rent the, uh, F X part one. It doesn't say part one,
but it, it's F slash X. Huh. What's that about? A, uh, special effects man who somehow gets involved in this, um, oh, I'm not sure. I can't remember. It's been a while since I've seen it. But he, he gets involved in some sort of bad dealings with somebody and he has to go underground, and he uses all of his special effects knowledge in doing what needs to be done. Hm. And, uh, To, to fool people and , Right, and using makeup and using the all the props and whatever to get to where he needs to go. All the tricks. Uh-huh. That sounds like an interesting concept. But you need to rent the first one first. To understand what's going on in the second?
Uh, if, if that is that the second one follows the first. I don't know if they have the, uh, original actors on that first one to that one. Uh-huh. They're supposed to be coming out with all these Desert Storm movies, this summer, too Oh. I expected those. Yeah. I mean, Hollywood, I mean they were doing their dealings with that before they even got over there, I think. Yeah. Well, they had some, in some of those, you know, they, I guess they retitled some movies that were going to be about Lebanese and, and, you know, and, and Americans Uh-huh. and they decide, oh, make it Iraqis and Americans, you know, and they just change the title and, uh, and reshot a few parts, you know, where they, yeah, you know, where they could. I guess they figured we wouldn't, can't tell the difference between an, Actual names, will not be used. Yeah. Right. Eventually I'm sure they will come out with the, the, the proper names. Yeah.
Right . It was such a, it, I guess they, they'll probably come out with a lot of movies, you know. It was, it was such a rout though, you know. I don't know, you know, they probably do the story of someone who was shot down early in the war or something and how he survived or, or about, or about those two newsmen or whatever that got captured. Latest story, Uh-huh. Kevin Costner I understand is supposed to be play Schwartzkopf, supposedly. Is that right? I don't know. That's just one of the many rumors that floats around. Yeah. Or what you read. Uh-huh. Well, I think we've probably, Pretty much used up the tape, I guess. Yeah, yeah,
it's been about five minutes. It's been nice talking with you. Same. And, uh, we'll Talk to you on the next go around. Keep on watching those movies, huh? Okay. Bye-bye. Adios. Are you going to tell me what you've been doing lately in the Sure, uh, okay. I'll offer anything that I can on the subject. Uh, my husband and I just bought a, just moved here recently and, uh, we bought, uh, this house about, uh, I don't know, year and a half ago. What we have here now is just a basic three bedroom, two bath, brick house which is, uh, completely different from what I had had before. When I was working and before I married, uh, I lived in a little town south of here that is just full of old homes and, uh, historic old houses and things like that so I, uh, tried to, I was in the process of renovating a house and, uh, that was about seventy-five years old. Oh, my. So, uh, it had to have everything done from top to bottom to having it leveled, jacked up, uh, new plumbing, new wiring, wallpaper, paint,
everything you can think of, that house had to have You, You are experienced I would say. Well, I, I really did enjoy it, uh, you know, it was amazing what I found out I could do on my own if I just put my mind to it. Well, I agree. Yeah. I have done something, uh, like that, too, only not nearly as extensive. Uh-huh. But it must be interesting now trying to do something to a basic ranch, style home. Uh, after having a one that was historical looking. It is. It is. Yeah. That's, that's true. When, uh, I met my husband, he was living in an apartment at the time and, and, uh, the town that I was living in only about eighty miles from here. So, uh, you know, I, we, really it was just the market was so good, we hadn't really planned on buying and, as you probably heard from the, in the Dallas and Texas area period the housing market is just unreal.
I mean you can get things for such a song. Yes. So, that's, that's really why we ended up in a house like this. This is not what we, you know, what we want to stay in forever, because I have to have my, I've found that after doing this other house, I have to have my hands into stuff and, you know, I'm always just wanting to paint and, and wallpaper and redo and redo, Uh-huh. so, uh, you know, I, I'm ready to get ahold of another one that I can have a little more input into so, Well, maybe you can, uh, make that one charming and, and make a little bit money, uh, Yeah. That's, that's the key, you know, the thing is, uh, when we moved in they had just, uh, painted, we're, you know, wallpapered, new carpet and everything so I feel sort of, uh, you know, like it's sort of defeating my purpose to go rip everything out now and do it over just because I'm in the mood to do it. So, uh, we'll see, we'll see how much longer we're here. Yes. Well, we just moved to Charlotte, from Enid, Oklahoma. Uh-huh. Oh, Oklahoma of all places. So I know, of what you're talking about, as far as the market was concerned Yeah.
Uh-huh. Right. and I'll tell you, uh, we, we had kind of a charming house. It was a cedar shake house, and very weathered. Oh, yes. And, uh, it was about fifty years old, but not not really, uh, traditional looking, particularly. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, so I tried to make it, after I sold my business I, in, in, I spent almost three years redoing. Oh, yeah. And I considered it a full time job Oh, it is, yeah. and when we did, uh, we kind of had planned this, uh, trek to the east, because we're both originally from this part of the country.
Uh-huh, uh-huh. I see, uh-huh. And so, I think some of the things that I did paid off. For instance, one thing that I did that might even be a good suggestion for you uh, was something I did on the outside. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I love old estate, estate sales. Yes, yes. I happened to go to just a little estate sale that, just a little white frame house, where the couple, uh, was very old, and had gone into nursing homes Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and uh, all the men started going down to the barn. Oh, yeah. Uh, oh And so I, well shoot I'm going,
That's where I need to go Yes, I'm going to the barn, too. Exactly. They, uh, auctioned some tools and, things like that, Yeah. Uh-huh. but then they went over and started, uh, auctioning this big stack of bricks. Oh. And, so, well, I thought, gee, I've been wanting to, do some brick, uh, walkways for a time. Uh-huh. Work, right, right. Uh-huh. Anyway, it ended up after some pretty, uh, heavy bidding, that I got all those bricks for forty dollars. Uh-huh. Oh, my word. And, so my husband and I loaded bricks in his, pickup truck for days. Oh, no.
Oh, my word. But, what we ended up with was about four thousand. For forty dollars? For forty dollars. Oh, my. And so what we did, we had built a deck on the back of that house, Uh-huh. but it needed and, it was quite large out to, into the yard Something. Uh-huh. but, on either side of it to the ends of the house it just needed to be all tied together. Uh-huh. So we, made brick patios, and walkways. Right. Oh, how fun. Oh, how nice. And so for, and he, he did the digging, which was about six inches,
Uh-huh. but I figured the sand and all, had that delivered and, leveled it and, and, placed most all the bricks. Uh-huh. Right. Right. Uh-huh. And it turned out beautifully. Oh, I bet. And what satisfaction to know that you did it in such an inexpensive way Yes. Well, it nearly killed me Yeah, but, but you did stagger back and say, oh, doesn't this look nice. I hated to leave it. Well, let me ask you, when you laid those bricks, I know my parents bought a house about ten years ago, they're fixing to sell it again, but, and move again. They're kind of, my mom's like I am.
She's a renovator, a lover of old things Uh-huh. and, you know, they have to be doing something constantly. And the patio that came with that house, uh, was not laid on a, like, I don't know if you can put some sort of a plastic sheeting or something on, on top of the sand and then lay the bricks. No we, But they have, they have a problem with these little like sand bugs or something that drill in between all these bricks. Well, I, And, of course you know you have the, uh, the weeds that come up in between the bricks or, and things like that. Well, no, I, I didn't have that trouble because, uh, we laid the, I did get some material and studied every bit of material that I could study, Uh-huh. but we laid those bricks about as close as you can get them, Yeah. I see. because when you start and we put them on a base of four inches of sand Okay,
yeah. and then we, uh, we swept sand in between, but but it was an error to, to leave like an eighth of an inch or whatever. Uh-huh. You just put them together as close as you can. As tight as you can. That's probably, because they had, you know every spring my mom says we're going to have a a barbecue and tell everybody, guess what, we're going to, we're going to redo the patio, you know, we're going to pull up all the bricks, Uh-huh. but, uh, they just, they just haven't brought themselves to do it. Yeah, well, So, and I also used a rubber hammer, a lot, to, uh, you know, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. if it wasn't quite level or something, I'd just get that, rubber hammer and, uh, and, and you know, Right.
I think that they could, if they have problems with, uh, sand bugs of some kind I think all they need to do is probably put some insecticide down in there on a, oh, a fairly regular basis, for a while anyway. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right. Right, well the thing that's funny is they've done, uh, they've done things like that, you know, I'll catch her out there spraying around, and then it's like, in two days time they'll come home from work and those little things are back. It's just, they're the most resilient little characters and so, I don't know what they're finally going to do. She may just, hopefully they'll sell the house, and go somewhere else Well, I think, I think she needs to take them to the extension agent and ask him what they are And then she won't have to worry about it. and, What are these things? yeah, is it diazinon
or what is it that will, uh, Right. Dursban or something like that. Yeah, what it, what it is that'll, that'll, take care of them. Dursban , I think in this area or most all areas they use, you know, for ticks and fleas. Yeah. And you know, they're, awful hard to do anything with. Right. Oh, that's true. That's true. But my, my dad farms and, you know, she's always telling him, isn't there something that, that you can bring home with you that kills everything that you spray, you know, out in the, out in the field, that you can get rid of, these bugs, Yeah. but, uh, I bet Dursban would do it. It might, it might do it, yeah. She's got so many she's got just a gorgeous yard, so many, uh, flowers and her, her four cats, you know,
so she's sort of, uh, real funny about what she sprays. Yeah. I think, uh, you probably just need to make sure that it dries, very, very uh, well, before she lets her cats out, or something, like that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Well, gosh, Deb, we could talk all day couldn't we I know, I, I was just, you know, it just seems like I, as I said when I heard the, what the subject was, I thought oh, gosh I haven't thought about, uh, what I went through at that other house in so long. I've been so busy. But, uh, I don't know of everything that I did, I guess I enjoyed probably wallpapering the most and I thought that would be the hardest thing to do. Yes. But, uh, gosh, you know, I ended up wallpapering every bedroom in that house, uh, up the stairway, even. Wow. You know, I just had a ball with it, Oh.
it was so much fun. Oh, good. Yeah. And I've sworn up and down, my mom's, uh, my mom's great grandparents had this huge Victorian house in Paris, Texas, and the one thing that she ended up with is, was the old door, that was, that was on the front door of that house Uh-huh. Yes. and she has that up in her attic and I have sworn that it, I'm going to find a house to put that door on before she does So, as far as looking toward the future, you know, that's my plan. I'm going to have to move fast, I think, though, because, uh, you know, as a, All right, do you do exercise? I do, yes, I, uh, uh, I guess it actually changes, I do a number of different things simply walking with my wife Uh-huh. Right.

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