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Yeah. Although I, you know, I'm sorry to see some of their, uh, there's, there's a daily news, uh, news rack right around the corner from where I live, which means that they're, they're expanding, I guess. But, uh, and occasionally I, I pick up like TIME magazine or something I think, uh, if they've got an interesting ...
And it's just sort of a, you know, four or five pages that covers what's going on in Plano. But it's still not an awful lot of news. Yeah, I know. I, uh, it was, it was a big discovery when, when the TIMES, when the TIMES found out there was a place called Orange County I mean, the way they, I mean, the way they've bee...
I, I'm employed by a company that does do, uh, random drug testing and I've got some very definite, uh, opinions about it. Uh, you know, which haven't changed all that much from my first reactions from, from when they, when they announced it. But, uh, developed a little more, I guess, but haven't changed that much. Wha...
Uh, so. Yeah. Yeah. It, uh, that's, that's mine. It, it, you know, I, I go back, it, to me, no matter how much the, our company claims it's not a constitutional issue. That, because this is, uh, between a company and an employee it is not, it is not a government, it's not, the Constitution doesn't apply. But I it, it s...
Yeah. Well, then, uh, but and they, so it's, a, a complete random testing well it's random in the sense that you don't know when. It is not random in the sense that they have said that within three years everyone in the company will be tested. Huh. Uh, and, uh, you know, I, I sit at a terminal and, and write software a...
out here, I remember hearing a year or so ago, that, uh, a lot of, there was a high error rate in the analysis of drug results. or, I shouldn't say high Well, I mean several percent Yeah. I, that, that I, that I will give credit to, to our, our company for in that, that, I think there's, there's a couple of levels of t...
Okay, so that this is obviously not a condition of employment that you subject yourself to this And, uh, No. And it, and it, and it has, it has, you know, they did that three or four years before they did it with everybody. And I, uh, at that time I could justify it in terms of someone new coming in, you don't, you don...
This is a different subject though. Yeah, this is about changes in the women in the, Uh-huh. Uh, there's really a lot, isn't there. Yeah I think there really is. It's kind of an easy thing to talk about. Oh, I guess the work force would be the main, wouldn't it. Yeah, uh, I think you have to push one and then we can st...
I know because, I know when my mother was a, you know, going into the work force there wasn't very many opportunities for her, I guess, she's in her late forties. You were expected to stay home and take care of the kids and I've never faced that at all. Uh, no, I think now, you go to work when they're six weeks old, yo...
Uh-huh. I don't think that men really took the time to work on that sort of thing. Yeah, even in Washington, you know, there seems to be a lot more women involved. Yeah. Hopefully, the next generation, it won't even be an issue, I mean people will just look at you as a person and not as a man or a woman, Yeah, yeah. I ...
Yeah. and that way they can't say well they picked a male over a female, female over a male, you know, Exactly, or the way you look, or the way you, you know, Yeah, yeah. your age or anything. I think that would be a wonderful way to do it. I do to just go by your social security number and then look at you qualificati...
Is it. Uh-huh, it sure is. That would be great. It sure is. Or, a lot of women I know now and my, uh, one of my supervisors, when she went on L O A to have her baby, we hooked up, uh, uh, a terminal at her house and she, you know, we could send her messages, and, and she kept in touch like that, and basically, just wor...
Do you like the job sharing? Oh, I do, Do you? I really do, I think it's great. Do you work like half days, or half weeks or, Uh, well like, one week she'll work three days and I'll work two and she'll work two, Oh, oh that's great, and we just share off like that. Uh-huh. Do you get the full benefits? Uh-huh, yeah we ...
It really is, and that way we're not really missing any thing out, you know, of children, Either way, uh-huh. yeah, you have your career and your home life, and that would be a nice way, especially if you have young children. Oh, it is, it is, well both of ours is school age, but we don't want to miss any of those P T ...
I really, Yeah, and I look for more of that in the next generation. I do too, especially as women get up in management and, and can be in on those decision making, you know, when that subject comes up they can say yes, that would be wonderful. Yes, oh, I do too. Plus, I bet it cuts, cuts down on your absenteeism becaus...
so you don't, you know, have to do it during office hours, run out on your lunch hour. I don't know how many times I've done that to do something, post office or the bank or any kind of errand, To do, yeah. so. Uh-huh. Well I think we've really come a long way in that because, Uh-huh, I guess I take it for granted, kin...
Oh yeah. I think there is still some discrimination there where as, you know, men and women work in the same job, I think men get paid more, Oh, I do too. but I think that's improving. It's such a slow process it's frustrating, but, you can see that it's wrong Yes, yes. and you just want to make it right, but at least ...
I sure will. Bye-bye. Okay, bye-bye. Hello. Hello. Hey, how you doing? Not bad, not bad. What's your name? Fernando. Fernando. My name is Nick. Wait. Let me turn off my stereo here Sure Because I've been, like, waiting, like, for about ten minutes to get connected to somebody. Really? Yeah. Phew like a whistling
Man, I'm, Yeah. What time is it over are you, are you in Dallas? No, no. I'm in Detroit. Or not Detroit. I'm in, uh, California. Are you? Yeah. I . Because every time I got through, I went to Dallas, Texas. Really? Yeah. I'm in North Carolina. Oh. Well, you're on the, uh, let's see, On the other coast Yeah,
twenty-one like he is talking to someone other than Yeah. Shoot man, it's, what, midnight almost? What? Yeah, yeah. It's, uh, I'm watching SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE here. Yeah, okay. All right. Well I guess we're supposed to talk, what about credit card? wait. what did, how, how did you get to know about the T I thing? Oh, o...
Really. I'm doing my Masters in, in computer science and computer engineering. Yeah? Where at? At North Carolina State University. Hey. How do you like it out there Uh, I don't. Because, uh, I come from a lot, a bigger city than this one and I, I'm in Raleigh Yeah. and, Oh. Raleigh Durham. Yeah. Yeah. That area. And i...
Yeah. So it, it's basically a bunch of small towns anyway. Kind of quaint little towns but they don't have a whole lot there. Yeah. Where you at? Uh, well, I'm in Monterey, California right now Yeah. Oh, okay. So, so I mean, it's like this, this town probably has like two hundred and fifty thousand people and that's a...
No, no. I go to the, it's the naval postgraduate school out here. Oh, okay. Because, uh, I was looking at, at the, doctorate degree in computer science center at Berkeley Uh-huh. And they're asking like for a, uh, G P A of like three point seven or something like that. Uh-huh. And like they're looking like for, uh, G ...
It's pretty tough I, uh, let's face it, you know. And, you know, I, you know, did the, you know, as far as, I found it a lot of times with, regards to education, you know, the school only takes you so far, you know. It's what you do. You know. Yeah. So, uh, I don't lose any sleep, sleep over stuff like that. So, are, a...
Excuse me? What if they pay for? If they pay for a P H D? Yeah. Nah, they won't pay for it. They've, I think they have maybe two people a year go get, get their P H D. Because I know, I know a couple of people here that work for, uh, the Army. Uh, Yeah. They civilians or, uh, military? I think, I think they're military...
Uh-huh. And so he's getting that and, uh they said like they got a lot of benefits and that. Yeah. That's why you want to join. Uh-huh. But, uh, this guy, I mean you can earn a lot more money so you say, I go why you still there if you can earn a lot more money, once you've get your, your, your Masters. Uh-huh. They go...
the, once you get your Masters, you can be earning between, anywhere between like thirty-seven, forty-five thousand a year. Uh-huh And and that's not what they're paying. Oh, easily, I'm sure. No. Well, it depends on what rank you are, of course Yeah. Yeah, I know I mean, like I say, if you're, if you're, you know, if...
and, uh, everyone's a manager. But nobody can get one more point to become, you know, like whatever you need to earn so much money. Yeah. Since I imagine it's fairly competitive. Yeah. It's like, no I, I mean, I B M is like, there's a joke about I B M which says, you know, it's like, uh, all, all the major companies ge...
change the rower You know, it's like everyone's a, manager but, you know, it's like only use like one person does the work Yeah. so. Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Yeah. So. Yeah. I don't know, that can be, that, that can really slow you down. Yeah. Well, that's the way it works. I mean, that's, that's why t...
And then the other people just plan it, you know. It's like, it's like have you, have have you ever seen the commercial like for Federal Express where the, with, uh, the think tank? You know, push paper around. Uh-huh. like all these people are just standing, sitting around, just going, you know, like what shall we do...
people generally go with that because they figure that the, you know, you probably won't get fired for getting I B M material. Whereas if you try something different, they'll they'll say yeah, And it fails and you're dead. why didn't you buy, why didn't you try something more mainline. Yeah. Well I B M doesn't fire an...
What they'll do is like suppose, you know, like you're a manager. So they'll put you into keeping up the paper, you know. Uh-huh. It's like how much paper is going in? And then you say that's not my job, Uh-huh. so you quit. So, in other words, that's the way they force people out Right. That's why they can say, you...
but it's like I B M like never in their commercials, they never put down any other company, you know. It's like they won't say, No. Well, they're the standard right now. Or as far as that goes, you know, people think of computers, they think of I B M a lot of times. And the main, Yeah. Because see what happens is they ...
They, they made like, uh, small personal computers. Yeah. Small P C they're out of Korea right? I don't know. I don't know. But what they do is, what they did, I don't know, is buy all the parts that I B M would throw away. And build an I B M P C with all the parts that I B M would throw away. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah Yeah. fo...
So, that's what they do. They buy all, all the things that I B M throws away and they , and that's why they're so compatible. Because I mean Uh-huh. and by the time you have computer for five years, you're going to throw it away anyway. You know. Most people do. Or they have to anyway. Well, I mean, there's like, well ...
it's like why do you want more. Because it's like one second of recording. I mean you put into Wave Uh-huh. and you want to correct the errors into Wave, it takes so much, I mean, it's like, of course it does. I mean, by the times it transforms into Wave by mark off model and you put it in there, and you want to correc...
Yeah. Yeah. Both, both in terms in Ram as well as, uh, you know, standard memory or disk disk base, Yeah. so. Well, like they say, like nobody can get enough, you know. It's like once you have something, and it's like Oh, yeah. You find out more, I was watching this program on T V yesterday. In nineteen seventy-six NA...
no. Like a hologram? This is like, this is like video game stuff. With just graphics on, on a, Okay? Okay But the only thing was, that it was just lines, okay. Like if you I guess, um, I'm going to school while I'm working at T I, so there's not a whole a lot of time that I've got, uh, for hobbies it seems like lately...
You don't have to worry about cleaning it up. Yeah, because it's, it's out there. You know I don't have to worry about getting stuff on the carpet except when I track in saw dust, and the wife gets kind of aggravated about that, but then, I get the opportunity to vacuum, so I guess I get some of both. What are some of ...
it's a good time for gardening. Oh, yeah, it's been beautiful this last week but, I could do with a little less wind, but I think the, the temperature has been pretty good so far for working outside. Yeah. Do you find you do most of your, your, uh, crocheting or your knit work around Christmas time? I usually start in ...
shoot, I can't even remember the name of it now, but you make it in strips. And it's real easy to do, and it's just that it doesn't keep your feet quite as warm because you do it in strips like that but it's, Well, that's kind of like quilting. Yeah, yeah. I think Mile a Minute. That's the name of it. Mile a Minute. Mi...
Yeah, I know, If we have a problem with our connection and get disconnected some time or other, don't worry about it. We have a, a very small phone company down here. Oh, okay. And my husband says that's called rinky-dink Instead of call waiting or call anything else. No, no. We can't have that down here. We get discon...
We planted, um, potatoes and onions and bell peppers. Um, boy. Uh, what else did I get in there, and jalapeno peppers. Oh, yeah, always got to have those. Yeah. I think I had four, uh, jalapeno plants last year. I think one of them died, but I, I've got, I've put them, I chop them up and put them in jars and usually gi...
and those things just flat took over. Um, it wasn't until late, I guess in the summer, maybe it was because it was too dry, they finally started making zucchini, and I'm not sure when a good time to plant those is, if they should be planted early or later. It seems like all I got was, Supposedly after the soil warms up...
Uh. About the same time that you plant okra because it's supposed to be warm. Well, that's true. Most of the okra that is growing around higher is, is, uh, later okra. Yeah. Well that's about, um, We decided this year, Go ahead. I'm sorry, go ahead. Well, I was just going to say, it's a little over six or seven minutes...
have a good time. Okay. Bye. Bye. You said you have four cats? Yes, I have four cats. How old are they? Well they range from, let's see about a year and a half to nine years old. Oh gosh. Yes. I haven't had my oldest one quite nine years, I've had him probably five years. Oh okay, you get so attached to them. Oh yes, I...
He jumped off the balcony actually, of a second story apartment. Oh no. And he'd never been outside, like, you know, by himself outside. Uh-huh. And it started raining and I was hysterical. I was, I was, I mean, you would have thought a child had died. Yes, uh-huh. I called everyone I knew, I had every friend I knew in...
I mean I take off work, to take care of my cats, you know, Oh yeah. my boss thinks I'm absolutely crazy. And then we had a baby and it's like, all right who comes first the cat or the baby. The cat was here first so I know, it's hard. And, and then when we go to sleep at night, you know, it's like my husband and I have...
But the other one, the first one I got he doesn't want anything to do with outside unless you're there. Oh, uh-huh. Other than that he gets scared to death. If you shut that door he goes into hiding. Oh no. I think it's from the time he jumped off the balcony Yes, uh-huh, that's it And Lord knows what happened to him. ...
Oh no. Oh well he lived through it, oh, I couldn't believe it. We went through like twenty-two hundred dollars worth of vet bills. Oh my gosh. The, the cat almost died, and but he turned out to be such a wonderful cat, oh he loves life now. Oh, I imagine. And he's like oh, thank you so much. I wonder how many of his li...
Oh yes, absolutely nuts. But, uh, luckily enough, you know, we found the cat in time and, uh, rushed him to the vet and it took us about six weeks of in and out of the vet and surgery and, Oh Lord. I mean he started off as a stray and then we did all this for him Oh man. But oh, he's been a wonderful cat. I imagine. Th...
Uh-huh. and it worries me that one day one of them won't come back, Yes. and I feel like they need a big home, a nice place where someone can have the time to play with them and things. But I can't give them up. Oh no. I just, I go hysterical when they don't come home. Right and you worry about, oh, who's taking care o...
Really. It was like we can't take it back you've got, we've got to keep it now. It's here now, we have to keep it. Yeah, my, my first one that I got, I had just moved away from home and got my own apartment. It took me about two weeks to realize, that was real lonely. Uh-huh, uh-huh, yes. So I found this one and, uh, a...
Oh, uh-huh. And he was the last one she carried across, you know, the whole big sad story. Oh. So of course, I had to take him. I felt so sorry for him after that. Right, right. And he is, uh, you can tell he was weaned too young because he'll nurse on your ears and your fingers. Oh no. Yeah, he, I asked the vet why he...
he, he doesn't have any front claws, I had him declawed, Oh, uh-huh. but he doesn't bite anybody he's just, he's just kind of there, real friendly and docile. Oh that's good. Oh we just, uh, just love them. They, uh, you know, get to feeling so lovey and dovey and they'll come up and just start kneading in our chest an...
I had, I had a dog when I lived at home Um, yeah. but they're a lot more trouble than cats actually. They really are. The cats are so independent and they have so much more personality than a dog. Oh yeah, they do. And, but oh, they're so much fun to watch them play. Oh they are. I love it, it's so funny to get more th...
and it is hysterical, I mean and then the other two cats will follow in pursuit. It's like this train. A train of cats running around. I mean it sounds like a train. We have wooden floors and so it just sort of echoes through the house Oh how funny, I can imagine. Yeah, I wouldn't give anything for my cats. I love them...
Precious and Rascal are brother and sister and they don't look a thing a like. Nothing. Precious is a medium hair yellow cat, Uh-huh, yeah. and Rascal is a black and white short hair. Nothing. They don't look a thing a like, Not a thing, goodness gracious. and they came from the same litter and everything. We have, uh,...
Really. I mean it's like nobody messes with her mamma. Oh. And, uh, I mean, it comes bedtime and she's right there. Is she the oldest one? Yeah, she's the oldest. And she, well in fact I got her when I moved out of the house also. Really. And so yeah, it's, uh, wouldn't have, I mean, oh, if something happens to her. Oh...
You get so attached to them. Oh definitely. My mother has dogs and I'm like, no. Yeah. This is nothing like cats. You can walk a dog and that's okay for weekend but cats are good all the time. Right, I'm so glad my husband is a cat person because if he was a dog person, no, it wouldn't have worked. It wouldn't have, no...
uh-huh. There was cartoon in COSMO about a year or two ago and it had this man sitting on a couch with his date and there were cats hanging all over him. Hanging on his clothes, you know, they had ripped him up and the couch was ripped up and down at the bottom he said, of course I love cats. And they were just all ove...
Oh I wouldn't either. There'd be no way. The whole family was so disappointed Oh really, oh well. Right. That's life, that's how life goes. Right, uh, but yes, we just, just love them to death. I know, I love mine too. Well, it's been nice talking to you. Well it was nice talking to you too, I enjoyed it. Me to. Bye, b...
bye. So well, you're, you, you take this subject much more personally than I do, I suppose. I suppose I do because I've seen a lot of those changes, the changes that women have had in the last well, you know, not even the last generation, the last fifteen years twenty years, going from, Uh-huh. well, take it back, thir...
and, and, uh, your kids should be totally happy in day care, because everybody else goes to day care Yeah. and, and we have these wonderful people who are who are totally prepared to to teach your child everything they need to know in day care Uh-huh. Yeah, but but, uh, a really good day care is probably going to cost ...
Uh-huh. Oh, yeah, and, So it was you and the kid and your work schedule is. Yeah. Well that's the thing, see, you know, maybe if you get along for example if you'd been a technician instead of an engineer. You know, the technicians work the eight to five job and know when they're going to be there. Yeah, might have bee...
Is that what you're saying? Well, actually I've found out that I'm not going to go back to being an engineer. What will you, I'm, I'm, I'm a photographer now. Oh, okay, you've found something else. I have, I have branched out. I was a photographer before, but when I went to college it was, I felt like I couldn't suppor...
Yeah, it's, it's great while they're really little, but as they get older and they're more independent, and there's things to do, then it's good for them to go to different, Uh-huh. I mean, it, he goes to a, a mother's day out program now once a week. Both of my kids do, and so they're getting, they get the socializati...
Yeah. I think that's the thing that we're going to see, well, I think the biggest thing we're going to see coming up in the next ten year, even in the, even now they're starting to do it, but I think it's going to be more in the next ten to fifteen years, is that there's going to be a lot of women, and they're going to...
or my husband, if it's, you know, uh, when he's at home, can take care of them. Yeah, so jobs have to, I guess, become more flexible. I think they're really going to have to, and not, and not just for mothers, for fathers as well. Yeah. It's going to have to be both. Well, so, so that's another thing that has to adapt ...
Yeah, well. Because if he saw mom doing only that you know, all the time he was growing up then it's hard to think of it in that, other, uh, that I should do it or just to think about doing it rather than having someone tell him to do it. Uh-huh. Yeah. And you, you, you, Yeah, you talk, yeah, Yeah. I know that was a bi...
Yeah, and without, and, and it's just they don't look at things. Most of the men don't walk into the kitchen and see that the dishes are there and that yes, you probably ought to unload the dishwasher and load the new ones in and run it. Uh-huh. They just, you know, just scoot it on another spot on the sink and put the...
Yeah. you both got to, they were both working at whatever things were, needed to be done. Um. Uh-huh. They're going to say to the kids you need do this, because it needs to be done not because it's a woman's job or a man's job, but because it's dirty and it needs to be clean. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. But I think in between ...
but sometimes, it's just, it's baby-sitting. Yeah. It's someone, you know, keeping an eye on the kids but the kids are basically doing what they want and not really having any relationship with the adults to say, you know, here's what's right Yeah. and here's what wrong, and here's what we expect of you. Yeah, I think ...
I wait until I put mine in bed before I make my calls. Yeah, well, she's usually in bed by this time, but she's staying up late tonight. But, yeah, I want to have a relationship with her. You know, my dad was a very traditional dad, and when I was a child I didn't really know my dad very well, and I miss that. And I wa...
Uh-huh. Okay movies. I haven't seen too many lately. I have kids and we went and saw THE RESCUERS DOWN UNDER, Under, over the, the break. Uh-huh. Do, do you have kids you take to movies or, No, no kids. Yeah. It's a Walt Disney movie and it didn't get as, you know, as good a reviews as like the LITTLE MERMAID, their la...
It's just, just the special effects, you know. And in this movie, this, there's this boy and he rescues this, uh, bald eagle and, uh, and it's a huge eagle, you know, wing span of twenty feet or something like that. And the boy actually rides on his back and he rides through the clouds, you know, and you see him coming...
yeah. Latest, latest one I've saw which was a mistake to go see was LIONHEART, had Claude Van Damme. Uh-huh. He was, he's of course, uh, I guess he's trained in this, uh, martial arts of some sort, but the plot was bland, the acting was bland. It was just mostly centered upon his abilities to Chop them up, huh? yeah, c...
but Chuck Norris, of course, could be just about equal, if not more Uh-huh. or, and all of them, I guess, could be in that fashion, or category. Hum. Uh-huh, uh-huh. It was about, uh, a, French Foreign Legion fellow who deserts to go help his brother's wife who got, who became a widow because he was selling drugs . and...
But, uh, well, I guess that's one I won't go see Well, it was worth the buck I guess. Oh, you went to the dollar movie? Yeah. Yeah, they show up at the dollar movie right after they get, come out. You know they're usually not, not that great or didn't do that great anyway. A lot of, Let me see. Let me see another movie...
Yeah, and the music and, uh, well, it had an excellent story line. Everything about it was good. Uh-huh. Um, I thought an excellent one, too, was MISERY with Kathy Bates and James Caan. I'm not a James Caan fan, but that was a well directed and acted movie. Is that right? I'd recommend it. It's a little on the violent ...
It's just, uh, and it's a matter of your taste, uh, Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's just that, yeah, it's just that the rating system seems, you know, instead of having X now, they have what, N C seventeen? Yeah. They just changed it because X had a connotation with it, you know, so, And even on those type they don't show w...
This is America. Let me see. One movie I saw, I guess it was a while back, RED OCTOBER. Yeah. Have you seen that one? Yes, I have. That was pretty good. Yeah, I read the book before so I knew the story line going in, but they changed some things in the movie. It wasn't the same. I thought the book was better than the m...
Uh-huh. that's about all the time I can, I can spare. But that was a good show I thought, you know. I read about how they did, uh, an article on how they did all the special effects with the submarine. You know, that wasn't a real submarine you saw in the water. It was, it was all done in studio with smoke and mirrors ...
but it, it's F slash X. Huh. What's that about? A, uh, special effects man who somehow gets involved in this, um, oh, I'm not sure. I can't remember. It's been a while since I've seen it. But he, he gets involved in some sort of bad dealings with somebody and he has to go underground, and he uses all of his special eff...
Uh, if, if that is that the second one follows the first. I don't know if they have the, uh, original actors on that first one to that one. Uh-huh. They're supposed to be coming out with all these Desert Storm movies, this summer, too Oh. I expected those. Yeah. I mean, Hollywood, I mean they were doing their dealings ...
Right . It was such a, it, I guess they, they'll probably come out with a lot of movies, you know. It was, it was such a rout though, you know. I don't know, you know, they probably do the story of someone who was shot down early in the war or something and how he survived or, or about, or about those two newsmen or wh...
it's been about five minutes. It's been nice talking with you. Same. And, uh, we'll Talk to you on the next go around. Keep on watching those movies, huh? Okay. Bye-bye. Adios. Are you going to tell me what you've been doing lately in the Sure, uh, okay. I'll offer anything that I can on the subject. Uh, my husband and...
everything you can think of, that house had to have You, You are experienced I would say. Well, I, I really did enjoy it, uh, you know, it was amazing what I found out I could do on my own if I just put my mind to it. Well, I agree. Yeah. I have done something, uh, like that, too, only not nearly as extensive. Uh-huh...
I mean you can get things for such a song. Yes. So, that's, that's really why we ended up in a house like this. This is not what we, you know, what we want to stay in forever, because I have to have my, I've found that after doing this other house, I have to have my hands into stuff and, you know, I'm always just want...
Uh-huh. Right. and I'll tell you, uh, we, we had kind of a charming house. It was a cedar shake house, and very weathered. Oh, yes. And, uh, it was about fifty years old, but not not really, uh, traditional looking, particularly. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, so I tried to make it, after I sold m...
Uh-huh, uh-huh. I see, uh-huh. And so, I think some of the things that I did paid off. For instance, one thing that I did that might even be a good suggestion for you uh, was something I did on the outside. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I love old estate, estate sales. Yes, yes. I happened to go to just a little estate sale that, ...
That's where I need to go Yes, I'm going to the barn, too. Exactly. They, uh, auctioned some tools and, things like that, Yeah. Uh-huh. but then they went over and started, uh, auctioning this big stack of bricks. Oh. And, so, well, I thought, gee, I've been wanting to, do some brick, uh, walkways for a time. Uh-huh....
Oh, my word. But, what we ended up with was about four thousand. For forty dollars? For forty dollars. Oh, my. And so what we did, we had built a deck on the back of that house, Uh-huh. but it needed and, it was quite large out to, into the yard Something. Uh-huh. but, on either side of it to the ends of the house i...
Uh-huh. but I figured the sand and all, had that delivered and, leveled it and, and, placed most all the bricks. Uh-huh. Right. Right. Uh-huh. And it turned out beautifully. Oh, I bet. And what satisfaction to know that you did it in such an inexpensive way Yes. Well, it nearly killed me Yeah, but, but you did stagg...
She's a renovator, a lover of old things Uh-huh. and, you know, they have to be doing something constantly. And the patio that came with that house, uh, was not laid on a, like, I don't know if you can put some sort of a plastic sheeting or something on, on top of the sand and then lay the bricks. No we, But they have,...
yeah. and then we, uh, we swept sand in between, but but it was an error to, to leave like an eighth of an inch or whatever. Uh-huh. You just put them together as close as you can. As tight as you can. That's probably, because they had, you know every spring my mom says we're going to have a a barbecue and tell everybo...
I think that they could, if they have problems with, uh, sand bugs of some kind I think all they need to do is probably put some insecticide down in there on a, oh, a fairly regular basis, for a while anyway. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right. Right, well the thing that's funny is they've done, uh, they've done things like that, yo...
or what is it that will, uh, Right. Dursban or something like that. Yeah, what it, what it is that'll, that'll, take care of them. Dursban , I think in this area or most all areas they use, you know, for ticks and fleas. Yeah. And you know, they're, awful hard to do anything with. Right. Oh, that's true. That's true...
so she's sort of, uh, real funny about what she sprays. Yeah. I think, uh, you probably just need to make sure that it dries, very, very uh, well, before she lets her cats out, or something, like that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. Well, gosh, Deb, we could talk all day couldn't we I know, I, I was just, you know, it ...
it was so much fun. Oh, good. Yeah. And I've sworn up and down, my mom's, uh, my mom's great grandparents had this huge Victorian house in Paris, Texas, and the one thing that she ended up with is, was the old door, that was, that was on the front door of that house Uh-huh. Yes. and she has that up in her attic and I ...