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just went, just went ahead and just turned the keys back in and, and got out of the lease. Uh, one thing that I, that I am curious about is, uh, reading information on air bags, do, some of the vans I think, I don't know about the Dodge Caravan, but some of the vans now have driver side air bags. Which I think is a good idea. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, you know, I, when I was much younger, uh, than I am now, I, I had wanted to go to the Peace Corps and, uh, it seems like I, it, it was something that I, I really wanted, wanted to do. Can you speak up, please. Seems like wanting to go to the Peace Corps was something that I had really wanted to do when I was young. Yes. But, uh, I don't believe they accept you after you, you know, after you're married and you have, uh, kids and all that so I got into, that Uh, and then I wasn't able to, to, uh, participate. But they will accept you later in life also. Oh, they will? Yeah, after your children are grown. Oh, I didn't know that.
Yes. Then there's no age limit? No. Your kidding. *typo you're No, I'm not. Some of the people that have been involved with Peace Corps, among other things, were retired teachers. Uh, there was a retired plumber that went to, uh, uh, Uruguay I think and helped them quite a bit with concepts in plumbing, you know, providing for a, for better public hygiene. Goodness I'm surprised. I really had no idea. Yeah, but, so, do you think that people should be required to give a couple years for the good of the country? Well, I don't , I don't really think that they they should be, it should be mandatory. I mean, well, I don't know, Why? I, it's, that just might not be something that everybody wants to do, I mean, there are a lot of people who would like to do it, and there are a lot of people who get into other things
and they get all involved and they just, you know, don't want to or don't have the time. Well, I understand, but if it were told to us that we would find the time somewhere between our seventeenth and, uh, twenty-sixth birthday to give a year or two to the, to the country in the form of maybe building better roads or the parks service or the Peace Corps or you know, the military service or something. Wouldn't we have, uh, maybe a better class of Americans? I don't see how that can, can make a better class of Americans to make everybody, to make it mandatory for everybody to participate. A lot of these a lot of our, uh, pardon the terminology, but yuppies, now, are interested in one thing and one thing only and that's themselves. That's true. Well, I don't, I don't think that, And at least if you legislated, giving for a couple years of their lives or, or, uh, a honestly purely giving but, but some sort of equitable exchange, then at least the country would have gotten two years from them where, um, they would have given something to the country instead of take, taking away all their lives. Yeah, are, are you suggesting then that if, if, uh, if I have to go and, and do something for the country for two years that the country will compensate me in some way. Uh, I , I will be compensated for this, I'm not just going to, Okay. It will be a job of sorts, I'm sure, that the Peace Corps pays, it doesn't pay well,
it's not top wages, Uh-huh. but, but it does pay. Uh-huh. The military, for young hiring in soldiers does pay, it doesn't pay well. Uh-huh. Okay, currently in our country, especially in some regions, there's an employment problem. You're aware of that I'm sure. That, that, that's true. But in, even in our region there's an employment problem. There's a lot of, uh, people gotten laid off lately. You know, from just companies like General Dynamics, and, and Texas Instruments, And Texas Instruments. Thousands, and thousands of people are out there looking for jobs. You know in , in another time we had the W P A, Works Progress Administration, during the great depression, though I can't see why it was great. no, I'm not, I'm not familiar with that. Oh. Uh, that gave people pay that was halfway between relief which was welfare, and the minimum wage.
Uh-huh. I see, and that was, that was that was some, some program where people gave their time, in trade for, for money, In trade for, money, and, and living. okay. Uh-huh. They gave them food and uniforms and, uh, here in Colorado you'll find a great many things. Public roads that were worked on by the W P A, uh, dams that were built by the W P A, uh, scenic overlooks, parks, uh-huh. Uh-huh. We are road, our road system's falling apart. Our our national road system, system of highways, and roads, is falling apart. Uh-huh. Well, then I guess there are a lot of, a lot of things that people could do to contribute to the good of the country. there's a lot of work to be done. Uh-huh. I, I really don't see anything wrong with it, I just don't think that it should be mandatory that every person have to do that. I, I can't see the problem in it for a year.
Well, what, what I'm saying is that if it were mandatory, that every person, right after graduation from high school, that were able-bodied, would give a year, well, or, not give a year but, but trade a year, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. then they, at least one not more than say three or four, then it would definitely effect unemployment. All right, I wonder if, if they didn't make it mandatory if they would actually get enough people volunteering to, to do it that it, you know, that they would have enough. I don't know. I mean, I, I'd probably, Well, you know, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, huge numbers of other western states, have no real welfare system. Uh-huh. There's Aid to Dependent Children, and Aid to Mothers of Dependent Children, but there's no real welfare system. Uh-huh. But if we took these people off, off the streets for a year, there would darn sure be more hours labor available in the nation for everyone else. And who knows, maybe some of our graduating high school seniors would find out a little bit more of what the traditional American work ethic means. You know, we have had some problem with that in recent years. Oh, well, yes,
we have. With, with, uh, recent generations I, I know exactly what you are talking about, I, I mean, I know several people who do not wish to work. Uh, they wish only for the paycheck. Well, they wish for the money and they, they decide that they're going to get the money anyway they can with, you know, without, uh, without, without working in the, the traditional American job market. Really producing. Yeah, be it selling drugs or whatever. Right. So, one other thing, and they, they get the money anyway they can. Yeah, yeah. And maybe if we instilled the work ethic, you know, I enjoy the, I enjoy working. Yeah. Do you all, do you get together with family reunions or, Yes,
we try to. Uh, we have not in some years now. And I think we are going to try to have one this summer. Oh, that will be fun if you have not done it in a while. My aunt is planning it. Uh, where is your family from? Uh, Missouri. Oh. Is it? Southwest part of Missouri. So you are going to have to go there? That will, will be where it is. Uh, if, if she gets it planned. Yeah. I have been out of town, so I do not know what she has been doing. But, uh, they are all getting very, very old. Oh. All my aunts and uncles. So we need to see them soon. Yeah.
So, My family is from Kentucky. Most of them is down there. Uh-huh. I have got an uncle in Louisiana and another sister here in Texas. Right. Do you all get together often? Or, We did when I was growing up. It was every summer we got together. Uh-huh. Now, my grandmother just passed away this last year. Right. So, you know, I think as we get older, it is more difficult to, uh, when she was all my aunts and uncles are in their eighties now, so it is, uh, Uh-huh. I have to, uh, I will probably have to take charge and do it one of these, uh, one of these, uh, days.
Yeah. But, uh, I still have elderly parents alive. Well it, It sure does. So, uh, it takes a lot of effort to either get everybody called or written and settle on a date, you know that, And if they are, Well, we, in Kentucky it wasn't hard because everybody lives so close together. We just did it word by you know, by word of mouth. Right. You know. And, uh, my uncle in Louisiana, he is the only one that, you know, had to travel. Uh-huh. And now I have got a sister in Germany, and we are just scattered all over the place. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. So it is going to be hard this time. So the, But we have got a huge family. Yeah. And we need to have more and more of them.
I I think, I hope that is not a lost art, that people getting together as they do spread out all over the world. Yeah. Because it is so fun. Yeah, I mean, we, my mother has got like thirteen brothers and sisters it is. Oh, I see. Yeah. She has got a huge family. And every one of them have five or six kids. And most of them, you know, have got kids Uh-huh. Sure, that makes a big crowd. Yeah. It is, Yeah. we just, we had two baseball bleachers full of people, Is that? and there are still about eight or six, eight or ten people taking pictures. Is that right? Yes.
And it was just, the last time we had one it was so fun. That is wonderful. I hope, Yeah. well, we need to have another one. I hope my aunt is successful as, uh, later. Well, it is probably not going to be done because I have not heard from them. I, it was supposed to be this June, so I do not imagine there is anything coming. This is hardly, almost June. Yeah. Well, I, we have always had ours in a park or something. So, Uh-huh. But it has away been the same park and there is nothing really special there. Only thing is, it is big, Yeah, that is,
and it is open. we have it usually at this, uh, at this one park because there is a pavilion there, in case it rains. Uh-huh. And, uh, you have to have it, uh, fairly early in the summer or it is too hot up there. Uh-huh. In Missouri? In Missouri, yeah. It is too it is not, it is just, uh, very humid, and the old people cannot take it anymore. Well, that was part of the problem with the ones we have. Uh-huh. Now, the kids would sneak off. And we were just being kids, and we found what we thought was just an old water hole. So we was going swimming. And, like I said, we was just big kids. We was like eight and ten years old. Uh-huh.
And our parents came and caught us. We had been playing in the sump. It was part of the sewage cleaning system. Isn't that great? Yeah, Yeah. to child in Kyle, don't. speaking to I have got a four year old. Yeah. Well, that keeps you busy. Yeah. Yeah. But if we could have gotten it by a lake or something, I thought that would have been much better. Yeah. It would have been. Something for the young people to to do. Yeah. Well they, there was, uh, I am sorry, there was, uh, I remember now, there was like, uh, a baby pool, just about a foot deep. Yeah. Yes,
I remember my little brother riding a bicycle through it. We were all kids anyway noise heard in Every family has all that going on, I am sure. So, uh, Oh, but I love it, all the different foods, because that, yeah, Oh, I do too. That is the best part of it. That's the, Everybody bringing something for a potluck picnic yeah. and oh, grand, yeah. So, how long did you say it has been since you all had one? I do not know. I think it has been, uh, four, three or four years. Or five even, uh, since they have had it, tried to get everybody together. They are just spread out so much, and, and we really need to, uh, no matter what kind of crowd they get. Yeah.
I hope, Well, I have been married almost five, so I guess it has been seven years since we have had one. Uh-huh. And since then we have lost, oh, well, just our grandmother. Yeah. That is surprising. Well, time flies so fast, it may have been that, that long since we have one. It is hard to remember, but I think it has been about four or five years. Uh-huh. So, uh, anyway I, I hope both our families get to have one soon. Oh, if I can ever get down to Kentucky. It has been like four years since I have been home. Yeah. It is difficult with little ones. Yeah. I know when we had, had our, That is, the reason, that is the reason I don't.
I would get on a bus any day by myself, but I won't do it with the babies. Uh-huh. Sure. Because, uh, I have got, uh, a four month old and a four year old. Oh, Lord. So I am just starting. And I just quit too Oh, I am telling you. That is, uh, Uh, I won't be adding any more to the family reunion No, I hope, it, I know it takes a lot of effort right with, with that, with two little ones like that. Yeah. They are good kids though. Yeah. So, uh, I am not too upset. Anyways, I have enjoyed talking to you. Enjoyed talking to you. All right.
Good luck in everything. All right, you too. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Well let's see, um, I, I like to go out to eat, I really do, but being from Dallas, um, I think we have an average of six or seven restaurants that open and close every month and we we have a really high turn over rate. Oh, really? Oh yeah and, and this is, I mean there are streets just called restaurant rows and, uh, you can get everything here from, um, a very spicy Indian meal to, you know, the favorite barbecue and, and, uh, just anything your little hearts desires around here, so, here they have to entertain us to make us come back. Uh. And I guess it's all one big game because you, you just never run out of places to go, you really don't. That's good. Yeah. I never really thought about that,
but, uh, a good turn over would be sort of nice. Course if you find a place you like and it works out that no one else likes it, it would be sort of sad to see it go under. Really and, and we go to, you know, like an older part of town and we just notice how many, oh well that restaurant's changed, and oh, gee, there, they've changed and, oh, we've got to go try that one, you know, and it's, it's really, you have the pick of the, you know, the crop here. Are they big into ambiance down there or is it more like, Oh! uh, Texas to me makes it seems like it would be portions would be the big thing. You know, your, your fourteen ounce steak with your potato and stuff. Yeah, right, uh-huh. Um, you can get that too.
No, they've got everything here from the, uh, French Room which is ultra, ultra to, um, um, Dean Ferrings , uh, uh, restaurant which is the Mansion on Turtle Creek. I mean we've got beautiful places to go. You can get as dressed up or, you know just going to the local barbecue and just doing take out. Uh-huh. So, you know I guess, uh, some of the foods that we really enjoy though are the, um, um, like Chinese, Um and we're always searching around for Chinese. And now, of course, they've added the Taiwanese, and, and, um, uh, various, you know, any, any part of the country you want to hit, they have got it. I mean, Vietnamese restaurant we went to, you know, last week. It's great, it's good stuff, you Uh-huh. But, uh, it's, so it's very, very mixed and, uh, you know, I think if you like food like we do, I, I don't know if that happened before or after we moved here but, um, you know, you get a lot of, uh, great variety of things here, Yeah. so. But if you were going to a restaurant, say, um, where would you go?
Oh, well we had, uh, we have a lot of favorites here, uh, in Northern Virginia and of course we've got D C to call on, you know, Right. and there's all sorts of things down there. One thing about D C is that there are a lot of traditional restaurants where, you know, it's, the guy used to be the cook for the Capitol and so he stays in the same restaurant for twenty years, you know, Oh, okay. and he's got a big clientele and, um, so there are, there are some hang outs where you can go if you want to see people. You know, it's, it's sort of like Hollywood in a way because there's, there's favorite haunts for Southerners and things like that. Oh. Um, we don't hang around with them, because usually it's, you know, ninety dollars a plate or something silly like that. Yeah, right So, uh, but, uh, my wife has a, a friend that runs one of the restaurants down there and we've been down there and had French cuisine, and, uh, I don't know, I don't particularly care for that sort of thing, just the type of food, just because I do like, uh, you know, getting a meal. I see. And, uh, most French food always leaves me hungry for some reason.
I, I don't know what they say about Chinese, I'm always hungry after a French meal, uh. That's true too. And, uh, but the, the atmosphere is just wonderful. You do feel like you've gone out, you know, and done something, when you go to a French restaurant, or a restaurant downtown. To another place, yeah. Well as out here you might have enjoyed the meal and go away feeling satisfied, it's not so much a, an event, you know, out in the suburbs when you go to a local restaurant. Yeah, well. And there's, they're starting to get a little bit different, um, they're, they're realizing that more of the, the people with the money are coming out and living in the suburbs, getting away from the city and so there are a couple jazz houses, you know, that have jazz bands playing while you're eating and stuff like that, which is kind of nice, because, Oh, there you go, yeah. Oh, we're sort of in the middle of, uh, the extension of the Cajun country too, so we have, um, a lot of ambiance provided by, you know, the, the bands and you know, like you said jazz bands and things like that. You know, you go out Uh-huh. and you eat your crawfish and jambalaya and stuff.
Yeah right. You know, I, I really don't like that stuff but my husband does. He loves to cook it so, he and a friend of his get together Uh-huh. and they cook, I mean, you know, like for a bunch of people and, and, uh, it's really, in fact, we do a lot more entertaining I think at home than we do going out. So when we do go out we really, you know, want to be wowed by, um, the presentation, so to speak. Right. And, uh, you know, but, but there are little places, um, and like I said, some of our very favorites are the Chinese restaurants, just to, Uh-huh. and we do a lot of take out because everybody's so busy running around, Yeah. and it's the fastest thing to do, We have two, uh, two very special places in Northern Virginia that people go to. Uh, one's called Captain Pell's which is a crab house, you know, being so close to Maryland.
Oh. Right. Maryland is, you know, a big place for crabs with the, with the bay pretty much taking over most of Maryland. Yeah. And, um, Captain Pell's is a place with the big huge wooden tables inside, and people just go in there and just pig out and everything. And then, um, the other place is called the Vienna Inn which is, uh, uh, Vienna is a suburb of D C also in Virginia and, uh, that place is known for the, the rudest waitresses in the country, are, are at the Vienna Inn. And, uh, people go there to be abused. I mean, you actually go in there to be abused by the, by the waitresses and the bartenders and stuff. And people come all over the country amazed at, um, the abuse they were seized. And then it's on the honor system. You pay totally on the honor system. Um. And so, you know, you tell them what you've eaten and what you drank or whatever and they figure out the bill for you and you're lucky if you get change. Usually they, they take your change and throw you a couple of mints in your hand and say thanks, you know. Because, uh, they,
Got to carry through with the abuse, huh. Yeah, carry on with the abuse, they say you need mints, here guy, you don't get any change, you know. Oh, gee. Well that's funny, I, we just went to an Italian restaurant this, um, just wonderful and they, I mean it's like being in I mean I've never been to Italy, okay, but it's just this big beautiful Italian restaurant. Very, um, low key in terms of the people are from California, you know, so they have their own adaptation of what Italian is. I mean, but it's, it was a wonderful, wonderful experience. You know they have, uh, women there going to S M U, going to, uh, Southern Methodist University and, and graduating in opera or something like that and they are all singing arias to you and, and just walking around the restaurant singing Oh, wow. and they make the food right there so it's display cooking
and, and, uh, then they have wine casks all over the place so you're lined up waiting in line to this place and you just take a drink of wine and, you know, they don't count that really, they just, Okay, you say you're going to buy a new car. Well no, it's probably going to be a very old used one. My husband had an accident in my car a little over a week ago, Uh-huh. and I drove a nineteen seventy-seven, um, B M W and so I believe and I'll know the answer today, that they're going to total it. I think that it will cost more to fix it than it's probably worth. Yeah. But I'm not interested in having any car payments, so I actually went last weekend with, my father was in town and we went and looked at used cars around town. Uh, and I, you know, I found like a nineteen eighty-four Regency Ninety-eight with only forty-six thousand miles on it and that was pretty good condition, uh.
Yeah But I also found a nineteen eighty Volvo, uh, station wagon that was in just super condition. Right. I mean there's not a dent on the outside body, the inside is clean it's had the same owner for years. Right. It, it has about eighty thousand miles on it but that's all right, you know, the engine's in excellent shape, Uh-huh. and I think it would last me probably another fifty or sixty thousand miles. Yeah. So, I guess I'm kind of in limbo waiting to see what the insurance is, you know, company is going to do, to see whether or not I can get one of these cars. I don't want a new car though, a new car payment. Yeah, I, I understand that. We, uh, just paid off one, my wife's car, uh, I guess, early last year and so we're, you know, enjoying not having that, that payment every, every month
and, but it's getting up in age, uh, we're trying to hold out a little while longer, uh, we've got a, a a daughter who's almost two now, so, we're getting to the point where we really kind of need something a little bigger than what we've got, Um. but, uh, so I guess if we, when we do buy another car it'll, it'll be something that we can, uh, kind of grow into a little bit. Uh-huh. It's, it's tough on trips because, uh, anytime we, we're getting ready to go anywhere it's, uh, you know, it's, uh, try, like trying to put a puzzle together to make sure you get everything in the car, you know, cause it's, Well not only that, needing the room, you know, we finally ended up buying a Dodge Caravan here about two and a half years ago, because I too, have very small kids. I, I have one that's now, well she'll be four in September and then a little boy that's just turned two. Uh-huh. And you know it's like you go on a trip and, you know, you pull over to the side of the road, throw them on the hood, change a diaper and keep going And I wanted something that I could maybe walk through and get to them and, Right, that's what, I, I ideally, I would like that, in fact, uh, you know, I, I've, I've thought of that possibly, uh, I don't know that my wife would go for it,
but You know, I would, I'd like to do that. Well. Yeah. I, I have a truck myself and I'll, I'll take, you know, a truck's a thing that you, you need when you need it, but, you know, the rest of the time you wonder, you know, could I use something else. Yeah. Yeah. So, I, I've still got a couple years payments on it. I may, uh, if we can hold out til then, you know, I may get, get to where I need a something else, maybe, maybe buy a van, because they are, really, really nice for, for long trips especially. We have definitely put a lot of use in on ours and I understand, it is too expensive to have two car payments. See that was the problem, my B M W was paid for, Uh-huh. and my husband's been in business for himself for several years and so he can depreciate cars, Right. but you
used to be you kept them three years. Right. Well when they did all the tax law changes you had to keep them five. Right. So I was trying to keep my B M W in tact, uh, for three more years. So that then I could take the van, Um. and we'd trade my car in on a new car for his business. Right. And so basically that's what I'm looking for in a used car. Something that's going to last me at least three years. Well if I can pull a deal on this Volvo, you know, it will last me longer than that. It will actually last me quite a while, but I don't know how families afford two new car payments. It's just, it's outrageous. I don't either. Well, my wife's car is probably around five years old now, Uh-huh. and it's, it's got, oh, uh, I guess it must have seventy or eighty thousand miles on it, you know, and so it, it's getting, it's not, not in bad shape
it's, it's, you know, she's kept it up real well, but, uh, you know, it's, it's getting to the point where we really need to do something with it, you know, if we're going to get anything out of selling it. Uh-huh. That's right. So, I'm, I'm, uh, I'm, I'm hoping we that we can work something out here. We've got other bills that kind of precede, or preclude us buying, something, buying something else. Know how that goes in singing whisper type It's the pits, isn't it? It really is and, you know, and you can't, uh, you can't afford, you know, a, a car payment now. It just, will wipe you out every month, That's right it's almost getting to be like the house payment, you know. I know, you can't find what you used to, could find something for, you know, seventy-five, a hundred dollars a month. It might not be brand new but it was a decent car, Right.
and you just almost can't find that payment anymore. Right. So, I understand that, it's, it's kind of hard to go do. Well if you do look at them, I really recommend the Dodge Caravan. We've had wonderful, it's the only, uh, minivan they make that's on a car chassis instead of a truck chassis so it doesn't, you know, shake you around like a a truck does. Uh-huh. Oh, I didn't know that. And we have had just wonderful luck with ours. I mean it's, we take it everywhere, it it's been, it, it's so easy to get the kids in and out, see my car was also a two door. Uh-huh. And which drove me nuts trying to get car seats and kids, into a back seat, you know. Oh man, yeah. And so it's wonderful to have the room and the space and you can haul things and they climb in easily and, it's just been everything that we were hoping it would do for us.
Right. And it is nice on long trips. In fact, Christmas we drove to California, which is my home, and you can take out the middle seat, Right. and they come out fairly easily, so we took out the middle seat, put the car seats in the back and just had a whole area in the middle, like if we were out on open road and it was their nap time, we just went ahead and laid them down. Uh-huh, You know, I wouldn't do that if we were in a city, or, if there were a lot of cars around or anything. Right. But it made it so much easier to travel. Right, uh, that's, that's our our, our daughter's problem, you know, 'cause when you, when you get out on the road like that and it's just long stretches, you know, where they just have to sit, you know. In town she does okay, you know, and even on the road she does all right for a little while because she'll sleep some, Uh-huh, uh. but, you know, she, she wakes up,
she wants to, to get up. I know, uh, coming, uh, right around Christmas we were, we were, uh, right before Christmas we had driven over to Shreveport and we were driving back and it was when all that bad weather was, was hitting, Oh, yeah. and the roads were all closed, and, uh, we were trying to get back and it took us a lot longer and she was, you know, she was pretty good most of the way, but then, get to a point where she just had to get out of her seat and we had to stop, and, and we got out and played in the snow and put here back in *typo her Sure, it's a long time. and she was fine, Uh-huh. but, you know, if we had, if there was something to where she could kind of get up and move around, like you say on, on the highway, or where, where it wasn't, wasn't as bad, you know, just for a little brief period of time, it would be, would be okay, Right. so, I'm, I'm thinking maybe we can, voice in can do something like that later on. Well that would be good. we'll see what we can do.
That would be good. Yeah. Well I Well, I appreciate talking to you. Good luck in your car buying. you too, I hope everything works out. Well, really I'm supposed to hear today and I, I hope it, I really would prefer the Volvo, I think, I know it's older than the Regency but, you know, they're built of that unibody steel construction and it would take a hit fairly well, Right and you know, my B M W that my husband was going forty to forty-five miles an hour and you know, it didn't even bend the frame. It bent in the bumper and the quarter panel, but unfortunately they think if it says B M W on it that you have money. They don't know, Okay,
what are your favorite things to watch? Oh, uh, let's see, I, uh, I have enjoyed, uh, THIRTYSOMETHING in the past, uh, now that it has gone off Uh-huh. Uh, some comedy shows, uh, I can not, can not think of, off hand, Yeah. but, what, what are your, what is, We do not watch a lot of T V, we try to watch it on Thursday nights, we usually watch L A LAW, I like that real well. And CHEERS Yeah. Yeah. we like to watch that. Uh, we sort of got hooked on LA LAW. Uh, do you ever watch that? Yeah, uh, yeah, yeah,
we, we we try to catch that most, most nights. Yeah And I, I have watched THIRTYSOMETHING some in the last couple seasons. I was sort of sorry to see it go too. Yeah. It, it was kind of interesting, uh, some people complained about, uh, uh, the kind of whining or whatever on it. I, I really did not think it, it was, that way. Yeah. I think it had some, some good, uh, good situations that it presented. Yeah, I thought a lot of the, like the problems that Michael and Hope had in their marriage and stuff, I can relate to some of those things. Yeah. Just the dynamics of it and everything. Well, I think, I think a lot of people, you know, kind of felt that way, but they had a lot of, uh, uh, counseling groups that use some of the episodes as, as examples of things that were going on Oh, really. and, and uh, you know, that they called interaction between people and sort of to use as, uh, as a way of getting people to talk about their problems, Yeah. and that sort of thing
Uh, we kind of, uh, our T V viewing has, uh, slowed down a little bit since our our daughter came along, so, uh, Uh-huh. that, that tends to, uh, put a cramp in your viewing, because by the time you get through getting her ready for bed and everything, uh, it's, uh, very little T V time left. Yeah, you are too tired to do anything. Yeah. Oh, it's better to spend time with your kids, I think though, than glued in front of the T V anyway. Yeah, that's right. Probably more worthwhile. I just don't, I don't think there's as many good things to watch as there used to be, really. No, I, I can not, uh, *typo? cannot? I don't think there were, Uh, I have not, I have not, uh, uh, there are not as many good shows that I, that I continuously like to watch as much as I used to I, uh, you know, I, uh, I used to could be able to name ten shows or so, you know, that I felt were worth my time to watch, but, uh, I uh, you know very seldom like to watch you know those,
there's a couple now that I tend to want to watch. I like, uh, home improvement shows like Bob Vela's, uh, HOME AGAIN on Saturday morning, Right, yeah. it's, I notice it's like, it's like THIS OLD HOUSE, yeah but it's, uh, it's on instead of being on P B S it's on regular T V. Oh. But, it's, uh, it's kind of interesting because they renovate an old house and, Uh-huh. Yeah, I have seen parts of that before, it is interesting. Yeah, so I like to watch that and uh, some, some things on P B S I like to watch but, uh. Do you watch sports much on T V?
Yeah, if it's if it's a team or something that I am really interested in I am not one to just watch a football game just, just to be watching it or, or I am not a big basketball or baseball fan, if it, unless it's baseball, if it's some, if it's a team I really like, I may watch Yeah. but, uh, baseball to me is a little hard to watch on T V, for an extended period. Yeah. It's slow. Yeah, it's so slow that you just get bored, you know, I, I will switch between something else and, and a baseball game going back and forth, you know watching it. But, I usually, if, if, if it's a football team I really like, a college team or, or pro team that I am fond of, I usually will sit and watch that. But, uh, that's the Yeah, we are like that and occasionally we will, like on, if we do not have anything to do or kind of bored and we just want to sit in the house or something, we will watch a little bit of a golf tournament. But, uh, you can not take a whole lot of that either, Yeah. it's pretty slow. Yeah,
it's kind of like, like baseball Yeah. Do you we went to the movies a lot on weekends and watch them at home, because there's just, on Friday and Saturday nights there's nothing good on and, Right. I think that that's what more people are doing and I think that's, you know, as, as T V, I think the less good shows being on T V has caused a lot of people to do, to do that, uh, you know, get more movies and watch. Uh-huh. I know we, we have done that too in the past, uh, we do not do it quite as much now, cause our baby will not let us watch them. Yeah. But, uh, you know, we usually will, we used to rent, uh, two or three movies on a weekend and, and try to watch. Uh-huh. Do you have cable T V? No, uh, We do not either. we live in,
I thought we were the only ones who did not have it. No. No, we, uh, the, uh, development we moved into was, they have it on one like right across the street from us, Uh-huh. but when they built our section they did not, did not put it in and we have been there about two years now. Gosh. and they are still, still do not have it so I am hoping that, that soon they will, they will, Yeah. I have contacted them about this and they say that well, it's, it's, they look, they, every year they look at, uh, different areas and try to determine where, where, uh, the most houses will be, Uh-huh. and so they, uh, they look and they, when they, when we reach a certain number of people in that area they will put one in, put, some in, or they will at, least consider it,
Huh. Yeah. so. Yeah. Well, we had it for awhile and it just seemed like we never watched it any we did not have the movie channels, we just had all the normal ones, that come Yeah. and we just never watched any of them, we kept a log for a month of every time we watched it and it seemed like we did not watch even half an hour, Um. Yeah. so we decided to just cancel it. It does improve the reception a little bit though, that's the only thing. Yeah. I have, I put some, put in some, uh, an antenna, a really good antenna and, uh, it's really helped, you know, ours and it's not been too bad.
I have not really missed it that much, there's certain things that I have, that I want to see, you know, occasionally, like a football game, a college game or something that happens to be on cable, or some old movie, but the, uh, I, I have not been bothered by it too much. Yeah. So, Well, I can not, uh, think of too much else to say. *typo cannot? Since we are not big watchers. Right. Okay. Well, it was nice talking to you. Alright, bye. Bye. Uh, we are to discuss air pollution and, uh, what we think the causes are. Uh-huh. And I probably would, uh, target, uh, industry as being number one polluter. Yeah, that's probably a major one. I think, uh, individually, uh, just by the vast number of people there are, there's I think cars are also a major contributor to it. Well, vehicles
and, and, yes. Yeah, vehicles Right, because, uh, there's a lot of commercial vehicles out there, especially those, the big rigs like the busses and, um, the big, uh, eighteen wheelers and so forth. Huh . Uh-huh, uh-huh. I think they would generate probably, uh, one of them would probably generate enough for three cars. But that's not, and I think it can be resolved if, uh, if they really let go with, the technology that they have at, uh, at their hand, and muffled, talking to Just a minute, I'm on the phone and they haven't released it yet. Uh-huh. I think there's a lot of hold back, uh, because, of, uh, oh, priorities that they have, you know, Yeah. and, uh, it's, Well, it , You have some children.
Yes I have, I have five in the kitchen at the moment. to You need to shut the door, please. Shut the door right now. We have the air conditioner running. What do you need? Hurry. I'm on the phone Yes, you may. And they keep turning the tape recorder up besides Oh, okay Do you have, do you watch children or do you, Um, I have three of my own and I have, uh, two that I'm tending for the summer. Off and on, Uh-huh. so, Well, that's interesting. Um, is there anything,
They cause more noise pollution than air pollution Well, temporarily they do. That's right, that's right. Then we get out of that phase, soon enough. Yeah. But, um, I think another, you can tell when you go around cities, you can smell specific things from, from, specific industries. Oh, yes. I remember being, I, I grew up in New Jersey Uh-huh. and, uh, I can remember the smell of Newark vividly Uh-huh, sure. And it's the type of industry, you know, which obviously if you can smell it, it's in the air. Uh-huh. Well, I know, uh, uh, in Michigan, uh, the way they used to take care of the trash is they would incinerate it, and the fumes from the incineration was a terrible pollutant to the air. Yeah.
And, um, of course, now, Well, people think you burn it, it's gone, but it's not gone. No, and when they, and you bury it and it's not gone either, because it has untold ramifications. Uh-huh. And, uh, And it gets into, into people, you know, which is, uh, the, the most important, um, resource that we have is people, Then it just gets into the soil and into the water Yeah. and they're, and they're destroying us, they, really are. Yeah. We really have to do more, So I think the cockroach will evolve, uh, safely So they say I think we've got to do more with the recycling. That's, I'm, I'm really glad to see that there's more of that happening.
Yes, but there's not enough. Yeah. And we need expert cooperation. Well, it's a, we're getting, at least they're starting, you know. Yeah. Education of the, Education of the people is primary, I would think. So at least they're moving that direction. Yeah. And, uh, and we're hard to teach. Uh-huh. Well, We are hard to teach. it's going to, it's probably going to be a generation or two before, before it's really going, very well, because now the adults are more aware of it, Absolutely, yeah. Uh-huh. and the children are being taught in the schools more, it'll be, you know, on down the road this is going to be passed on, which is good.
Absolutely, yes. Uh, of course, uh, we would like to see it accelerated because, uh, of the critical nature of it. Uh-huh. The, the learning of it and the, just to, um, think that way, we have to be in that thought pattern and able to, um, motivate ourselves to, um, uh, do what is right for the atmosphere. Uh-huh. Um, I think we're all contributors. I mean, every human being that lives is a contributor, to pollution, Yeah. so, we just um. Yeah. I think you're right, education is a big thing you know, Uh-huh. and as we educate them individually what they can do, people become more aware of the things in industry too that, that are causing problems and, and I think that they'll they'll work towards solving those problems more too. Um, Well, hopefully it can be resolved within a shorter time frame than we have seen it done in the past. That the time frame for cleaning up our air and our, and our, um, land, you know, which, uh, we get our nutrients from. Uh-huh. Yeah.
You know, I mean, everything goes back to the land. Just a minute and I'll turn it up. I'll turn it up in a minute, honey, when I'm done. So um, it's just, um, very critical, I think at this point to, uh, get that through to the people and get us educated. Uh-huh Yeah. Well, I think science has come a long way to making it so that it's possible to find ways to solve the problem Uh-huh. Um, I, I don't know if they offer classes in, uh, the, uh, in the grade school, uh, uh, subjecting. I think they teach it a lot in science In science, okay. Yeah. I would think that that's where it would come through. What grade level would that be? Would that be, um, perhaps, the first grade level, which would be, I, I think they're kind of getting it in all different grades. Well, I mean, are they starting, though, at, at, with the children that are so, their little minds are like sponges
and they can really uh, relate to that. Yeah. I think they are starting probably in the first grade. They're, you know, they're hearing somewhat about it. Um, I know, uh, Target has their program to make kids more aware of it and, Target stores? Yeah. Oh, okay. They've got, if you go in the entrance, they've got, uh, stands usually where they have, um, little, uh, kind of a little newspaper thing that the kids can read Okay. and and they can form a, a group to, um, Oh, I see. Uh-huh, help fight the pollution. Yeah, yeah. Oh, that's wonderful. So, Well, I'm sure that, uh, perhaps they're the leaders, you know,
and other will, others will pick up on their example and carry it, uh, further. Yeah. You know, because, uh, thoughts are, Well, I, I know it's it's a hard problem to solve because you, you know, like McDonald's has changed back and forth between paper and foam and that kind of thing, Uh-huh. and they do all these studies on which ones pollute more, and then there's the paper and plastic bag question. Uh-huh. Um, I guess we're supposed to talk about music. Okay. And, uh, let me go ahead and push one here. Uh, do you are you a musician yourself? Uh, well, I sing. Uh-huh. I don't play an instrument. Uh-huh. Where, do you sing in, in a choir or a choral group? Oh, not right now.
Uh-huh. What kind of singing do you like to do? Oh, pretty much anything. Yeah, uh-huh. Um, are you, uh, are, are, have you, have you been singing a long time or have you studied? Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. A long time out, all through college and everything I was in the choirs. Right. And I've had some classical vocal training. Oh, really? Uh-huh. Oh, great. Did, did you do that in, uh, Texas, or somewhere else? No, I was in Europe. Oh. Whereabouts?
In, uh, in Germany. Uh-huh. Oh, that's wonderful. Um, well, I likewise sang in high school and in college in choirs, and then I didn't sing in a choral group, um, until after I was, uh, married, and I sang in a couple of, uh, community choirs, and then um, waited for a while, and now I've, for about the last eight years I've sung in a church choir here, in Texas. Oh, yeah. And, um, so I, I enjoy, just the chorals singing a lot, as well. Uh-huh. Um, are you a soprano, alto, or, Soprano. A soprano. Yeah, so am I. Do you, and, uh, what kind of music do you like to sing? Um, you were saying you had classical training. Do you have a particular composer that you like or, a particular type ? Oh, well, as far as opera goes, I'm, I think most fond of Verdi.
Uh-huh. I've been listening to, um, some, uh, some advertisements for MADAM BUTTERFLY, and I'm wondering if you, if you have ever done anything like that, have you ever done any, uh, if, if you had done MADAM BUTTERFLY. No, no, I haven't done, uh, I'd love to, Yes. but, um, that's, uh, Puccini, I think, right? Uh-huh, yes, uh-huh. Um, MADAM BUTTERFLY was, um, in Dallas, it's been two or three years ago now, and then I went to see that, and, it was really wonderful. Uh-huh. It was particularly well,
the acting was particularly nice, I thought, and, um, so, it was quite popular. Yeah. Um, you don't play, um, an instrument so, uh, um, have you ever wanted to, like guitar or piano or Yeah, yeah. That, I think that's always a good instrument for anybody who sings or does, you know, some other kind of instrument, I think piano is always good background, Uh-huh. beginner. Um, I played piano all through, well, I guess from the time I was five until I graduated from college, and, uh, then I was a piano teacher for a while while my husband was in graduate school, so, um, that was the instrument both of my children started on, but neither of them stayed with it Uh-huh. One of them, um, turned into a violist, and the other one is, the boy is, um, guitar and, and percussion, so. Uh-huh.
Um, but the, I, I think that the piano background is very, um, useful, and, um, I'm sure that it, for you, it would have been great to be able to accompany yourself, just for practicing and so on. Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. Do you have any other kind of music that you like? Um, oh, I like to listen to all different kinds of music. Uh-huh. I have a, I used to work with a fellow who had, um, although this was a computer company, he had his, uh, P H D in musical, uh, I guess it was in composition, actually, from University of North Texas, and, uh, yet when I would go into his, his office every now and then, you never knew what kind of music he'd be playing on the radio It may be country, it might be classical, it might be rock, you know Uh-huh. it was just, he said that, that just about what you said, that he just liked all kinds of music. Yeah And that was, that was neat for, for me to hear that somebody is, There's, you know, some of the really totally country stuff, I don't really particularly like
but, Yeah, yeah. Um, do you have any plans to, uh, do anything with your music in the near future or, Well, I have, I have like, we, I wish I could Uh-huh. but I, I don't really know how to go about it without having a degree or, Yeah. um I know that there are, if you're interested in choral singing, I'm not sure where, you are in Texas, but I do know that some communities have, uh, community choruses and, uh, that's often a good way to get back into it again. Uh-huh. Um, it's not terribly demanding. You might have to audition, but that probably wouldn't be a problem,
but, um, there usually, you know, that they take tours and things like that and you get to know you know, people socially as well as, as in a musical setting, Uh-huh. so that's always fun. Yeah. I think that's, well, that's one reason why I have enjoyed my choir so much, is that not only do we sing wonderful music, but we've gotten to know each other quite well, um, in, on a, a social level, and, and I think we sing better because of that. Uh-huh. I think, you know, I think we sing more like, uh, people who trust each other which is really nice. That's good. Uh-huh, yeah. So, whereabouts in, Texas are you, if I could ask? Oh, I'm in Flower Mound. Flower Mound, okay. Uh-huh. Well, I'm in Plano,
so, um, we're just not too far apart, actually. Yeah, that's pretty close. Uh-huh. It was funny, um, uh, it's, you know, I talk to people all over, uh, Texas, um, and only one person outside of the uh, of the state, so I'm always asking where, where in the state, you know, the person is from if they're in Texas. Yeah. Um, are, do you have a family? Um, I'm married. Uh-huh. I was wondering if your, if your spouse, or if, you know, if you had, uh, other musical people in your family. I'm sorry? Uh, if you have other people in your family who are also musical. Oh, a little bit. Uh-huh. Do you come by it naturally? Was your, were your parents that musical?
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, yeah. That often is the case, um, the, you know, it's, it, sometimes it will skip. Like my husband is not musical at all, but his mother is very musical, and, um, and his children are very musical, so you never know where the talent is going to show up, I guess, sometimes. So, um, well, I'm not sure how long we've talked. I think, I haven't paid, haven't been paying attention to the, to the clock. But, uh, I'll bet we've done, we've done at least five minutes. Probably Well, I've enjoyed talking with you, uh, Becky, Okay. and, um, maybe we'll talk again. All right,
thanks. Uh-huh. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay. Okay, now, now we're supposed to talk about music? Right. Why, why did you check music? Why did I pick music? Uh-huh. Oh, because I know a little bit about music, you know, so I thought that I would put that, plus I, I like, uh, to listen to music. Uh-huh. What kind of music do you enjoy? Um, I really enjoy the oldies, is what I really listen to most of the time. Like what, what kind of oldies? Uh,
Like the fifties oldies, or older oldies? Usually in the fifties. Uh-huh. I'm not really sure, I think it's, it's a fifties, sixties, and seventies station that I listen to. Uh-huh, uh-huh. They have the same kind of station down here, and when I listen to music most of the time that's what I listen to. Oh, really. Uh-huh. I don't know a lot of the, um, uh, musicians' names or the singers' names, but I know a lot of the old songs. Uh-huh, uh-huh, we just got a disk the other day that was a, um, disk of Nat, Nat King Cole's greatest hits Oh, yeah. and it is excellent. It, it's about twenty of his greatest hits on it. It's really an excellent, excellent C D.
We are, we were really quite pleased with it. It was good. Uh-huh. Have you, um, do you listen, have you heard of Nat, heard of Nat King Cole? Yes, I have. Okay. Well, um, um, do you play any musical instruments or anything. At, at the same time, or, *slash error should be qy Um, I played the accordion for seven years and I played the clarinet for seven years also. No, I played the accordion until I got into about sixth or seventh grade, and then in fourth grade I started the clarinet, and I played that all through high school. Uh-huh. Like, so you're in the marching band and stuff in high school. I was, yes. Yeah,
I, I played the baritone horn in high school band and in college. Oh, okay. So, and, my wife played flute in high school. Uh-huh. So. And then in concert band I played the bass clarinet. Really Yeah. really. Uh-huh. Actually that's exactly the same thing my ex-wife did She played the clarinet and then she played bass clarinet during concert band. Oh, really. Yes, yeah, so. I like the low notes better than the high notes. So. We didn't have any bass clarinet players
so I asked him if I could play it, because I was first clarinet, and they end up playing a lot of the high notes, and I don't, I don't care for the sound of the high notes. So I asked him if I could play the bass clarinet, and he said, Sure, you know, he didn't have anyone to play it. So I played it, and I really enjoyed it. Um. Well, I like it, I, I like the low instruments better, too. Uh-huh. Um, do you go to, do you go to listen to much live music? Pardon me? Do you listen to much live music, like concerts or things there? No, I really don't go to very many concerts. Uh-huh. We're, we're going to one here in a couple of weeks. The, um, um, I don't know if you follow Broadway, much,
but, uh, Michael Crawford was in PHANTOM OF THE OPERA on Broadway. Uh-huh. You know, you know whom I'm talking about? Yes. And he's coming to Dallas on the twenty-ninth, and we got a big group going down to hear him sing a bunch of, uh, Andrew Lloyd Webber's music. So that'll be good. Oh, wow. My sons are kind of into Broadway. They, they, my, my older son is at Columbia in New York City, and he's been to see PHANTOM, and LES MISERABLES and bunch of other things up there, so, I would love to be able to go see LES MISERABLES. And he does it, he can go if they get sixteen dollar tickets to that thing, Oh, my gosh. yeah, yeah, and one of the, uh, the last time they went up, a friend of his wanted to go,
and Chris didn't want to go, so the friend David went, and he went and bought one of the low priced student tickets, and they, they gave him the seat that normally belongs to John Bel John It's his house seat. That's under his control, and he said it was a great seat. Holy smoke. So, he, he's been to, they've been to see it several times. Oh, I would love to go see that, and CATS CHORUS LINE Yeah. Yeah. I would love to be able to go see those. Would they, do, don't any of those ever come to Pittsburgh? They do, but I work, and I went to, I go to college, I had just gotten, I just graduated from college in May,
and so I really didn't have the chance or the money to go see them. Sure. Well, we're kind of, you know, they, well, I saw two, two road shows of LES and they were both excellent. Uh-huh. So if it comes to Pittsburgh in the road shows, and I think they have three different companies that tour the U S, um, you should go see it, because it's really, it's really outstanding. Yeah. My brother doesn't even like that kind of stuff, and he went to New York, a bunch of, there was like twenty students from high school that went, and he went to New York with them, and he saw it, and he said it was the best thing he'd ever seen Right. and he doesn't even like that type of stuff. Well, I think it's just incredible. I,
and then, you know, those, um, two guys who wrote LES MIS wrote a new show call MISS SAIGON Oh really. Yeah, it just opened in New York this spring, and my son and his friend were in a lottery to get tickets to it, and they got tickets for the opening night. Oh. And they went to it, and they said it was, it was great, it was great. Oh, see now, I like that type of stuff. But my fiancee doesn't really like it. He's more into the New Wave music, Yeah, like Depressed Mode, and, Yeah, I guess, I don't know either, you know, Yeah, I don't too much, but my younger son listens to some of that kind of stuff.
Oh, I don't know, uh, really weird names, like The Dead Milkman, or I don't know. Oh, it's you know, really weird stuff, he likes, and I thought, Oh my gosh, So he listens to New Wave and you listen to the oldies. Yeah That's kind of different. Well, Well, that's good though, you know. It's good to cover all the bases there. I pretty, I'll listen to anything basically, except I don't like the real hard metal rock. Uh-huh. I just refuse to listen to that at all. I'll even listen to country. I don't, I like some country. Well, we don't, now we don't listen to much country, but we just, at the same night we bought that Nat King Cole album, we bought Garth Brooks' album, No Fences.
Uh-huh. That is excellent. We, Well, we, I've never, never listened. Do you like Randy Travis? I mean, I've, I've probably heard him, but I've never bought any of his music. Uh-huh. Garth Brooks is probably the only country album we have, or, no wait, my wife bought an album of Hank Williams' greatest hits. Oh, Hank Williams Junior? Nope, this is Hank Williams senior, Oh. so these are a bunch of old recordings. Uh-huh. She bought that the same night we bought the Nat King Cole and the Garth Brooks. Oh, yeah, well, those should be good albums. It is pretty good. She likes it.
If you have the chance, It's a little, it's a little too country for me, it's a little too, uh, ronky tonk or something. Yeah, uh-huh. I like, I like the Garth Brooks album a lot. Uh-huh. It's pretty good, it's pretty good. Um, I don't know, maybe you wouldn't like Randy Travis. He's really country himself Uh-huh. but, uh, I, you know, I, I really enjoy listening to his music. Which album, which of his albums do you think is the best? Oh, I don't know. If I were you, I would get the Greatest Hits album if he had one, because you know, that would have a mixture of all his, you know, top songs on it. Okay. Uh-huh. But, um, we have, I think, four records of his.
I can't, you know, name the names of them off hand Uh-huh. but we have, I think, all his records so far, and all my brothers and sisters listen to them, even the ones that like the heavy metal they really enjoy listening to him, Uh-huh. so. Uh-huh. You know, maybe if you did like Hank Williams and Garth, you know, maybe you would enjoy uh, Randy Travis. Well, I, I think we'll probably get one, one of his albums, because we do kind of like it, but you know, it's kind of different. Uh-huh. Yeah, So, so it's good. Um, do you know any, oh, I was going to say do you know any other country singers that you would, you know, I mean, the women, do you like the , Yeah, we do like the , in fact we have a album ... Now then I think that Uh-huh.
are you there? Yeah, I'm here. All right. Do you have any one that has been in a nursing home? Uh, well, only my, um, my grandmother, but for a very short time. Um, she, uh, she was just more or less in a, in a nursing home for, uh, recovery from a broken hip because she could receive more medical attention. Oh. Yes. But, um, that, physical therapy was there and whatever, but I think, in visiting her there, um, it was very obvious to see that a lot of the people in the nursing home that she was in, uh, weren't there mentally. Uh, she was probably the only person in the, um, whole nursing home that, uh, still had all of her mental facilities about her. So that was, uh, that was very disheartening. Well, what do you think can be done about that? I mean, what can we do, Oh, yeah, it's really hard, I guess. I, I come from a family of, um, of, uh, take care of your elders, I guess. Uh, my, my dad's mother is an invalid,
and she lives with my aunt and uncle, and they care for her, you know, all around the clock. Though she's not, uh, she doesn't have to receive constant medical attention, she, because of arthritis, she's just unable to get out of bed. So, I guess, you know, there's that family commitment. Um, I know that my parents, my mother is trying to let my grandmother stay in her house as long as she can. Um, Well, I can of course I'm old enough to remember when the family or the church took care of all of this. Yeah. Right, yeah. We did not have to call on, on someone else, and I feel, no, you tell me how you feel about, Yeah, well probably, I think, as long as the person's able to, um, to understand what's going on around them and I think, you know, my grandmother right now is still able to walk around, and she's still able to, uh, to do some things for herself, though she gets Meals On Wheels which I think is a great thing, because, um, it saves people from having to prepare food for her, because you worry a little bit about her leaving a stove on, or whatever, although she does most things very well, it still makes a little bit easier for her. Yeah. Certainly Uh.
I worked with an agency in West Texas that they, it's where they really started this concept of Meals On Wheels Uh-huh. and I think it's such a valuable thing for our elderly. Uh-huh. If they didn't have to, you know, go into a kitchen Right. my mother expired just, just a little over a year ago, and we had finally, she didn't want to live with either my sister or me Uh-huh. but we, we got, found a retirement center for her, and it was beautiful and they had all these, they didn't even have nursing care there. So until, as long as mother was, you know mobile and got her food, Uh-huh. Right. and she was with people with whom she enjoyed. Yeah, that,
I think, you know, it's really funny, I have two grandmothers still alive, and my one grandmother says that she wants to stay in her house for as long as possible. She's like openly told people. She's always been very good about knowing, yes, she's eighty-nine, and she said that she would really like to stay in her house as long as possible, because it's her home. Sure. But when the time comes, um, she, and she can't do things and she has to be cared for, whatever, she would prefer, and she's actually said this, to move into some type of community where she has her own apartment, uh, probably with like a living space and a bedroom with maybe a kitchenette, so that if she, you know, if she wants to fix herself something light, she can do that, Yes, sir. but if she wants to go to a meal, she can go down the hallway, uh, to a room where there's a cafeteria Uh-huh. and there's other people there, and she can mix with them and talk with them and enjoy their company. Being a widow I find that eating alone is one of the hardest things I have to do. Uh-huh. Yes. Uh-huh. I have just recently retired,
and I am finding it extremely hard to adjust to. Right. So, uh, mother had the little kitchenette Uh-huh. and she could do all these fine things that she just, had a microwave, had to pop her popcorn. Right. Now this is wonderful. Uh-huh. But when it came time for a full meal, then mother was able to go with people and, and enjoy. Right, Yeah, I think, I think that probably, until, until they're really invalids, uh, the elderly are invalids, I think that they should be able to interact with other people in an environment that they choose, if they can, if the family can afford it. Oh, I think so. Well. I mean, um, see, I know that my grandmother would like to stay in her house, and my parents actually said, you know, that they may have to take their end, sometime, so, because, you know, my grandma, she says who she wants to live with, she's pretty, you know, she lets people know, Okay, we're being recorded. All right, Ron.
Uh, number one, I am one hundred percent for total gun control. I, Total gun control. Yes, I am not a member of the National Rifle Association and, I don't believe in hunting, and, uh, I just have had my fill of what is going on with the crime rate and I really feel that we have to do something in order to, uh, to , Yes, I, I agree something should be done, but I, there, I don't believe there is any way of total control over weapons, because crooks and people who are going to perform things that are not correct will have access to weapons from somewhere and that means they'll always have an advantage over us and, uh, they may even get worse because they know we have nothing to support myself. Now, you know, I, I agree with a lot of the things you just said in your few moments because personally I used to be a great hunter and in the last few years I've said, no way. Matter of fact, if I find a, uh, a, a fly running around in the house, I pick him up and carry him outdoors I, I don't even hit him with a flyswatter, so I've, uh, gotten over this business of wanting to go out and shooting and, and killing and that sort of thing. Uh-huh. But I, I think that, uh, personally, that we do need some weapons available to most of the people.
Most of the people really are, uh, honest and, uh, worthy of carrying on their lives properly. Uh, I'm sort of in line thinking in terms, I don't see anything wrong with this five day waiting period if the waiting period is utilized to really look at the background of the person purchasing the weapon. I mean there's nothing wrong with that. Do you see anything wrong with that? No, there's only one problem I have with the whole thing though, is, you know, when they do it, I think our biggest problem is, yes, the, the crooks and what have you are going to get weapons if the weapons are available. Right. I think the biggest problem we have in this country is there are just entirely too many weapons available. And the types of the weapons. I mean there is no, Yeah. I'm I'm against this, uh, automatic and semiautomatic stuff. Right, there is, There is no reason for it. I mean, I don't think we should have access to those. No. Huh And, uh, maybe I'm a little bit strong when I said total gun control. That's, that's really not what I meant. But, I mean we need control.
We've got to be able to get a handle on what is happening and we've got to reduce the number of weapons that are out in the, in the in the public. Yes. And the, the people should be, uh, selected so that we know that they are all right and that they're, they're not, uh, acquiring weapons for illicit use. Uh, that is not good. There's nothing wrong with a person that enjoys the mechanisms. As a matter of fact, uh, there's a fellow out there working on my house right now who, uh, brought to me a target from a rifle that he, uh, pretty well, halfway designed and he, he put together the, uh, the bullets in it Uh-huh. and he was showing me that at a hundred yards, he kept five shots within a quarter of an inch of each other at one hundred yards. Now, see from a technical point of view, that is something that, that our military people need to know about. Um. So there are other interesting, uh, facets in, in guns and weapons. This is a, uh, bolt action rifle, I think he has. And he has done other things to the way the, uh, barrel sits in the, uh, the wood part of it. And, uh, he designed the, the, the bullets themselves and he has fantastic accuracy. Uh-huh. Just, just from a technical point of view, that interests me. Not to kill anybody with it or anything with it, but just the fact that a piece of mechanism like that could be made to be so accurate. Yes.
All right, you, you sound like you're into the technology of it, which is, yeah, I agree. And, you know, and, again, I'm, my entire family are, they are all hunters Uh-huh. and, you know, they, they don't appreciate my stand, and I I have no, I really have no problem with sports hunters. Yeah. I really don't. It's just when they come out and they say they need an Uzi in order to do some accurate or decent deer hunting, I think I think that's totally outrageous. What's happening is people are losing, they seem to be losing their common sense over the issue. Yeah. And the issue, is, the issue is becoming the focus and not what is actually happening with guns. Uh, I, I think something will happen. Uh-huh. So, Beverly, what do you think about drug testing? I think in some professions it's, uh, essential. Things like pilots and things that involve the safety of other people particularly. Yeah. We've, we got a lot of mistakes here, uh, in the Maryland, Baltimore area because of, uh, train conductors uh, on drugs.
Uh-huh. I think we've had two terrible accidents here recently, and also on, um, just like, I bet you within five days a truck where the, uh, a dump truck, where the driver was, uh, high on marijuana, I guess he smoked marijuana for lunch and, uh, drove his truck up the back of two small cars in a tunnel that goes underneath the, uh, a river that leads into the Chesapeake Bay Oh, my goodness, and it would, that would, tied up traffic for a long time, everybody died, the fire was terrible, it was awful. So, yeah, I think you're right, I, I think I, if it's, if you're in a field, but then you know, who would test all truck drivers you know, They, that's, that is a problem and every time before they get into a vehicle I mean. Right, yeah I think, I think, looking at athletes being drug tested
Uh-huh. I don't know, even, I think the random drug testing, I don't know in my own mind if it has reduced the athletes from taking drugs, because they're still being caught Right. that make sense? Yes, uh, it may make a difference for some of them because they don't want to lose that lucrative, uh career. Yeah, and then, uh, I think, Yeah. I, I, I think, in the long run I think it's, it would be good. Uh-huh. I think in the short run they think because so many of those tested have gotten away with it you know, the, the test hasn't come down hard on anyone Right. Uh-huh I don't, I don't know. however, here in Dallas uh, we had a, a player, Roy Tarpley on the Mavericks team Yeah. Uh-huh. and he had been suspended a couple of times because of drug testing,
and was to the point, he was on probation, he was to the point that if he was caught another time that he would lose his contract, and they wouldn't have to pay him, and the Mavericks wanted to get rid of him, but they couldn't afford to replace him and still pay his contract Right. and, uh, just recently he was, uh, missing from practice and whenever he missed like that, usually he had some kind of problem and so a mandatory drug test was done was positive, Uh-huh. Yeah, so they were able to get rid of him and not have to pay his contract. Get rid of him. Right, yeah. And so, in his case, he lost his whole career, he's been in the paper, in jail, and it's just been awful Yeah. and talk about a terrible role model,
Right, I, I think, that, that, that's a terrible you know, it's really funny though, um, I guess, my dad was hit by a, a drunk driver who was also high um, when I was probably eighteen, my senior year in high school Um. Oh, my goodness. and, um, though he's alive today and everything worked out fine, it, it, it happened about two blocks from the high school and a friend came and got me, and I was there, and I could smell the dope, and I could see the beer cans from the guy that hit him Uh-huh. and nothing ever happened, and from from that point on, I became so anti drunk driving now I think people should be allowed to drink, I think that's an adult responsibility, whatever, Oh, that's terrible. Uh-huh. but I really, uh, I'm so anti drunk driving, and, and drugs have, uh, long lasting effects Uh-huh.
and I guess when I younger I was, um, probably a little more liberal on the subject. I think most of us are. Yeah, but as I've, as soon as that happened, I guess when I was eighteen years old, if you'd have asked me, I'd have thought it was fine Uh-huh. but by the time I was nineteen my opinion had totally changed. Yes, if you know someone, for example we have, uh, some friends whose son was driving home from work, was hit head on by a drunk driver Uh-huh. the drunk and his wife in the car were killed, and, uh, Bobby missed his whole junior year of high school Right. he went through surgery after surgery Um. Traction and all that terrible stuff. and for a long time they didn't even know whether he'd be normal again. And he, as far as his athletics, he's lost all of that. Right.
He, uh, has been tutored, and he'll catch up in school and everything, but, he's still not back where he was. Right, yeah, I don't think somebody, He may never have all those motor skills back. Yeah, you don't, you don't, you don't have the right to interfere in somebody else's life. No. I can't even say, you know, I wouldn't even say ruin somebody's life. You don't have the right to interfere in somebody's life. Another thing that we saw here recently. One of, some of our high school kids were out goofing around in a park area that a, a train track ran through Uh-huh. and one boy who had been drinking decided for some stupid reason to try to play with the train. Well, he, the train missed him, but, uh, a big mirror type thing sticking out, like a metal thing sticking out, hit him in the head Yeah. he was in a coma for four months, Uh-huh.
he's out of the coma now, and eventually they think he will come back, but you don't know that, and Right. but he's lost, he was an outstanding football player, So, what kind of a house do you live in? I'm in a, uh, in a ranch. A, uh, it was about, uh, sixteen hundred square feet when I bought it, and, uh, it's about two thousand square feet now, but it's one of those typical, uh, ranches that you find around here. Oh, it's, uh, built in the, probably built in the late fifties so it's not, um, what you would find, uh, where you live. But, uh, for the older, uh, ranch homes it's pretty typical I guess. Uh-huh. Well, our home is, uh, probably, for our area it's probably one of the lower income homes out here. Uh, most of the, the homes that they're building, well, I shouldn't say all of them,
but most of them now are up in the millions of dollars. Really? Oh yeah, there's, How many square feet do you have? We have got about, uh, twenty, I'd say about twenty-four hundred. Four bedrooms? Uh, we've got five bedrooms, because we built onto our garage. Five bedrooms. Uh-huh. A, a bedroom for my mother, and, uh, I made a, I made a fourth bedroom out of, uh, a made a fourth bedroom out of one of our, out of our living room and then added a, uh, what we call a sunroom to get the, you know, Oh. when, when we added four hundred square feet to our house Oh, that's great. so that, Well, this, this house is very comfortable. We've got two living areas and that, that's the thing I probably like the most about it.
How many stories? Just one? It's just one story. Yeah. It's a Fox and Jacobs home. How are they built? Um, we've been real happy with it. Yeah. I've heard that, I've heard the construction is pretty good on Fox and Jacobs. Of course, I'm not a carpenter or anything like that. They could probably come in and say, gee, this is not straight and this is under something but, But I mean it doesn't give you trouble? No. Uh-huh. No, we haven't had a lot of problems with it at all. No cracked slab or anything like that?
No. All right. We've been real lucky. So, And is it, um, a natural gas and, Yeah. You know what I miss though? Basements. Oh, yeah. I I sure wish they could build basements in homes in Texas. Yeah, I, I've heard a lot of people say that. That's for sure. Uh, we have an attic that we've just put, you know, plywood over the beams and things up in the attic and so that, has replaced it to some extent So you, but certainly not, Can you stand up in it? Uh, in parts. I mean you couldn't, you really couldn't use it for a room.
So you have a probably a more pitched roof than is typical around here. Yes. ours is pitched so shallow that you, uh, don't get much room in the attic. Yeah. Yeah, we, uh, we've got, you know, I'll store all our Christmas stuff and whatever else junk up there. So, five bedrooms and two living, two family Two living areas. We have a living room and dining room at the front of the house, Uh-huh. and then we have a, the, uh, family room, kitchen, and playroom at the rear of the house which has been really nice. Uh-huh. In fact, I really enjoy the playroom that, you would think that would not be a real bonus, you know, to a house, but of all the rooms in the house I'd say that was, that was the one that's been really nice to have Isn't it funny how families end up living in one room in the house most of the time. I think that's true. You Yeah.
Probably our family room is the, the biggest. Uh, Right. Some people, I mean, families seem to migrate towards one, one room and carry on most of their activities there, and, uh, uh, some rooms, we have one room that we never use. Yeah. I mean might as well not even heat and cool it. Yeah. Strange. Well, that's kind of the way our living room and dining room is, Uh-huh. but it is nice to have it because there's, uh, with our size of family it's nice to know that there's one that's always straight and clean if you have someone come just on the spur of the moment. Right, right. Uh-huh. So So you've been fairly happy with it. How long have you been in it? Seventeen years. Wow.
Boy, it doesn't seem that long but it is because we, uh, came to this area about the same time Uh-huh. We've been fifteen, fifteen years in the, in the house that we're living in. Oh, wow. And we, the, the principal feature I like about ours is that it's pier and beam. Oh, uh-huh. Yours is a slab I assume. Yes, it is. Yeah, ours is a pier and beam which has allowed me to go under it and do a whole lot of different things that I could not have done if it was slab. Uh-huh. I've done a lot of electrical and plumbing and other work that, by myself and saved a lot of money that I couldn't have done if the house was on a slab. Well, that's interesting. But that's because it's so old. Yeah. It's thirty-five, thirty-six years old when they used to build like that, and, uh, Uh-huh.
Well, my husband wouldn't do that anyway. That's his, that's his, I know, he's not a handy, right? worst thing in life is to have to repair something. I, on the other hand, uh, do a lot too much of it So, and, uh, I've gotten good at it which in a, in a way is bad because then you, uh, you start to take pleasure in it Well, uh, that's great. We just kind of save everything for when Al , uh, for, for when his Dad comes to visit and then he does all the repairing, you know, he does Right. My Dad is actually, uh, All right. I guess tonight's subject is to discuss current events and how we keep up on current events, and if we're satisfied with, with the, uh coverage that we receive. Right. That's, Right.
Um, thinking about it, some of the ways I try and keep up on current events is, uh, I enjoy reading the newspaper, but, uh, quite often don't have time to read all of the newspaper, and so, uh, I enjoy watching some of the T V highlights and also, uh, some of the news periodicals, uh, weekly magazines, and, uh, at work I also have, uh, management summary reports that, uh, give basically a lot of the current events. Uh, how about yourself? Well, I'm like you. I don't, I don't, I like to read the paper but I basically don't do it every day, and I, um, I usually watch, uh, either GOOD MORNING, AMERICA or the TODAY SHOW, every morning while I'm, you know, Uh-huh. whatever I'm doing, I watch that. I usually watch the news, either at, you know, early evening or at ten o'clock Right, right. so I get it from T V a lot. I get TIME I read TIME MAGAZINE Um, that's one I read pretty regularly. Oh, yeah. Okay. And, uh. The thing about it, you know, now that I've found, is that we get such good coverage on T V, or at least such, I don't know, attempted thoroughness of coverage, by the time you get the TIME MAGAZINE, there's nothing in it you don't know. You think that that's, uh, pretty adequate coverage
and you get. Uh-huh. It's historic events, huh. Right. Then you can just sort of have pictures to go along with it or something, because really, I've thought lately, there's nothing new in the TIME MAGAZINE. Oh, okay. You know, it's, it's, basically you've heard everything Yes. and, uh, you might, you might get a little more thorough, uh, account of something, but really, um, I don't know. So I get most of mine from television Yeah. I would say. Um, I found out too, that, uh, quite often if I see something on television that I want more in-depth, uh, understanding or, or get, want to know more about it, that the, the newspaper or, uh, I read NEWSWEEK, can give you a better and more thorough coverage of what I've heard on T V, but, uh, um, I found out that also on, on T V that you can scan through a whole lot of different things on C N N and, and like you said, the, the news shows that are, that are happening, and you can read some more about it if you want to. Um, I found out, though that, or I feel that a lot of the stuff on T V and the newspapers is negative. There's an awful lot of negative news or bad news, or, or bad news.

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