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Uh-huh. and I look back on that, and I bought shoes. I went shopping. I did not need that money. I did not need it. I didn't need it. I shouldn't have even qualified to get it. I didn't need it. And it would have been a little rough, I might have eaten some bologna instead of roast beef out of the deli, but I did not need it. And as I look back now, now we're paying that back. I told my son, if you have to live in the ghetto to go to college, do it, but don't take out ten thousand dollars in loans. Don't do it. And I don't, I hope, don't think he'll have to do that but, I just feel like if we didn't have those loans, we could have saved in the last five years the money for that, and I believe we would have, because God's really put it in our heart not to get in debt, you know. But we have friends in church that do this on a constant basis, that are totally debt free.
And they pay cash for everything they buy. Uh-huh. Including new vans, and, so, so I guess, I've seen it done and I know you can do it, you know. But you have to drive that old car until you get that money saved up for that new van. And that's where Americans don't like to do it. And so and we don't want to cut back our services from the government, because we're spoiled. Well, I have one way to suggest reducing the budget. What? Very simple. Just take all these civil service employees, and, uh, uh, take some of those holidays away from them, like Columbus Day, President's Day, I mean, they, they get all these days off. I know. Yeah. Now give them, what a, a week, I think we here at T I get a total of eleven a year. I know. Uh-huh. And that's about, uh, three or four less than civil servants get. Uh-huh. Now just look at that money the government could save if they didn't have all of those days off, all those holidays.
Yeah, that is true. Because I always think the mail never comes on these days and you're like, well, what is it You don't even know it's a holiday Well, now don't forget the mail is something else again. That has nothing, they're not civil servant people. But isn't it federal, in the federal budget? No, no, they have their own budget they go by. But isn't it part of our income, it's not part of our taxes? No. It's not? That's why the price of mailing a letter keeps going up. That's why it keeps going up, uh? You know, I could I can remember the days when it cost only three cents to mail, uh, uh, uh, a letter. That's another topic
Those stamps are valuable, now. Yeah. They probably, hey, I ought to go looking through some of my old mail. That's funny. Yeah, and that is a good short term thing, though. That little things like that, that overall, though, I just think we're just going to, I don't know, see, I know, I guess I'm kind of leery of this topic, because I know that Bush is real for the new world order. The one world government, and alleviating all, you know, national debt between all of the nations. But I see that to be a potential power problem later, with, um, who's going to be in charge with this new world order. And I, you know, I'm uncomfortable with that much power being in one place. But, I know, we already have a new money system. We already have new bills printed, for, the U S Treasury already has our new bills printed for new currency, and I've seen them And so I know that the long-term vision for the U S government is to alleviate all national debts and to start over afresh, but I'm concerned with who's going to have the power over this new world order that they keep talking about, you know.
That's a lot of power for one or two people to have. And so, um, I guess because I, I guess, in fact, I know what their long-term vision is. I'm kind of like, you know, yeah, the only answer is to start over or to totally change our lifestyles. And I don't think Americans are willing to do it. Well, what about, uh, uh, sending all this money overseas supporting other governments, third world governments. How do you feel about that? I don't, I don't feel we should loan them money. If I, I wish our leaders were really seeking the Lord on these things, and if we feel led to give a country money to help them, fine. But I don't feel we should be loaning money like that. I mean, it doesn't work, I mean. Well, in so many cases, it's not a loan, it's just a give away. But it's not, but it's not set up as a giveaway. If it were set up as giveaway, and it was something, that, I mean, our, our President and our leaders could be seeking God saying, God is it your will for us to bless this nation with this money, is it your will, this money and your will for us to give to them, and I believe if we gave it, no strings attached that God would bless our nation.
But because we're, our motive is interest, our motive is not pure, it just backfires, I mean, none of these nations have paid us back. But, you understand, it's, I guess it's a principle of giving and receiving. You give it, no strings attached and they may never give you anything back, but because there's no strings attached, it like gives them a freedom to give us something back. And it might not be money, it might be, um, no taxes on our things, our computers going into their nation, it might come back in another way, but it would be come back. But because we're loaning it, I think that's the problem. And I don't mean give it to everybody that asks. Use a lot of discernment. Don't give money to every nation. You know, what I'm saying, I think we're loaning money to too many nations, but I think if we gave to a few select ones, that really needed it, that it would work out better for us and for them. And so now we have all these nations that owe us all this money and so I just think, we're never going to get that back, you know. Do you understand?
No. That, that's true. I, I understand that France still owes us money from World War I. Uh-huh. And, uh, World War Two debts have never been repaid. I think the U S just wrote them all off. Yeah. And said, well, we'll cancel it just like they did to the, that Polish debt here, uh, last week. Yeah. Uh, uh, half the countries of the world simply canceled the Poland debts to help them. Right. Long, long term though, do you think it would best to see a one world, you know, you can't alleviate all national debts or do you think it would be better for our leaders to just start seeking God on how to turn our nation around financially? That's my opinion. My opinion's the latter. Uh-huh. Well, uh, I've got to respect your opinion. You have some solid ideas. Uh-huh.
I know. What's yours? Do you agree or do you disagree or I mean, what do you think long term? Well, I don't believe in a single government or a single control for the world. Uh-huh. Uh, that's asking for trouble. People are too different. Uh-huh. I mean you could travel from one coast to the other here in the U S and find a tremendous differences between the peoples. They have their own ideas how things should be run. Uh-huh. So, therefore, I don't believe there could be a single government for the whole world. There's too many societies involved, uh, the language barriers. Uh-huh. Uh, oh, sure, somebody said years ago, well, let's make it English, uh, international language. Uh-huh.
That's a big laugh, we can't even make English a national language here in our country. Uh-huh. We've got too many, uh, uh, immigrants. Yeah. Yeah. I know. They don't call them immigrants anymore, that was back in my granddaddy's day. Yeah. Different ethnic groups Yes. Yeah but, Yeah. I know what your saying. *typo your you're My grandfather came over from Lithuania back, uh, just before the turn of the century Uh-huh. and, uh, as a matter of fact he's a draft dodger. Uh-huh.
He, uh, was supposed to serve some time. Well, he did serve his time in the, uh, in the militia. Uh-huh. And he came back. He was a civilian again and his father said well if, Uh, tell you what. Um, I'll let you start Okay. My major source of information, I guess, is T V news Excuse me. I, uh, wake up to it in the morning. This is my, I guess, my prime time for news, first thing in the morning while I'm getting ready to go to work. Oh, I quite frequently glance through headlines or, in the newspaper. But, uh, primarily mine is T V news. How about yourself? Yeah. I have to, have to agree with you, um, I normally don't have time in the morning to, to watch any type of T V. Usually catch it going to work on the radio. Or when I drag the paper in from the front and it catch the head lines, which is normal what you see the night before on the evening news. Huh-uh. * I think this, and successive "Huh-uh" answers, should be "Uh-huh" True.
So I've, I've kind of, we have a one year old in the house so it's kind of hard sometimes to watch T V during the night, but I usually try to catch the ten o'clock or, um, those type of . Huh-uh. I have to say, during the war we're, the American public was probably flooded with too much information and as far as the sub question about the, was, am I satisfactorily covered , I have to say yes. But when it came to the war issues, who's telling the truth. Between the channels there was, uh, the casualties, the amount of missiles launched were different and it was almost too much information, over communicated. Well, that's true, but I, my personal opinion is that the various network news medias were trying to interpret the news to the best of their abilities since they were not very well informed by the military. True. I agree with you. Now, I can appreciate that, especially after what happened in Vietnam. Yeah, which is a joke. Uh, let's face it, today's, uh, means of communication, we could, a newscaster could very well giveaway a piece of top secret information. And, uh, pat himself on the back for, for, uh, making a good scoop.
Huh-uh. Yeah. That's a good point. Um, but I would have to say across-the-board, I'm satisfied with the way, uh, the news is spread. Um, of course here at Texas Instruments, uh, the rumor mill runs rampant. The secretary's probably the best resource, of what the layoff status is. Very true. I find T-News very enlightening, too. Yeah. And I check that everyday. Of course, with that goes along with the stock price of T I. Yeah. I agree you. I think, I'm glad you mentioned that, because I think I have to, since I don't have the opportunity in the morning I'll probably catch the head lines on T-News . That's a good point. Of course, T-NEWS is more or less headlines, Huh-uh. Uh, I don't think much of their sports coverage. Yeah True.
Kind of, Only give the scores. Yeah. But, uh, that's all right. I'm not, outside of pro football, I'm not too interested in other games, other sports, anyway. Huh-uh. But, the, uh, T-NEWS is a good way to keep up-to-date. I think they do a pretty good job of selecting the most important items. Yeah. They do. Surely do. Uh, anything else crossed your mind. I guess most of us go by the audio, which is the television or the radio. Huh-uh. Um, but you need to continue to read, so you people learn to read, you know Well, I spent twenty years in profession, commercial broadcasting radio and T V, and I know what it takes to get some of those little bits and pieces of news on the air, Huh-uh. I mean, there, there are times where, uh, the reporter actually will risk is life, life and limb. I've seen it happen time and time again.
And, uh, well, I remember one time up in Nashville, Tennessee. One of the fellows got mixed up in a riot that was going on down there, Huh-uh. but he was lucky he got out of it for some reason. Because he was carrying a camera, uh, they left him alone. Ouch. Everybody got excited. Huh-uh. That's tough. That's tough. Well, I've enjoyed speaking with you. Nice to talk to you, too, Jim. Did you get your catalog on your, your gifts? No. Really I just got mine in the mail so, it kind of sparked me to keep calling Oh. Well I'll be looking for it then. There not to shabby. *Correction "They're not too shabby"
They're pretty good. Is that right? Yeah. Have a great day. Bye-bye. Now. I'm sorry, Ready to go. Okay. excuse me. And, uh, I do that, we recycle, uh, newspapers. We take, you know, the DALLAS MORNING NEWS daily, and the Plano paper daily Right. and, you know, after a month of that you got a ton, of newspapers. Oh, I know it builds up really fast. It really does, Yeah. I do recycle, newspapers and, uh, glass. Yeah.
Uh-huh. We don't really have enough plastic to mess with, we don't, you know, like we don't drink milk and we don't have children so we don't have, you know, six thousand plastic milk jugs, a month, you know. Yeah, we do, With two, a two year old and a, three year old Yeah. and, so it really builds up with us. Right. But there is, you know there is a place you can take those also you know at the same place just put them in a different, uh, container. Yeah. And, uh, Plano has plans I believe it's tentatively scheduled for sometime in May of this year, the city is going to leave, uh, receptacles at people's home. Oh, yeah, and they That would be much more convenient. It, certainly would
Yeah. and they can separate it and then the, you know, trash guys will pick it up. Which would really be handy, you know, for people like shut ins, or, people who can't or don't drive, you know, Yeah. Yeah. Or it just builds up so often, they can't get to the these centers. Yeah. And I'm sure rather than try to, uh, ask someone to take them for them they probably just pitch them, you know? Yeah, yeah. But I think that's probably a good idea. They used to have several places, um, that were a little ways out in the community that did the paper and all, Uh-huh. and they stopped doing it because they said it wasn't profitable. Right. So finally, um, they, the people put so much pressure on the city, Uh-huh. they did a survey of everybody, Uh-huh.
and they took a big huge bin that has paper and plastic, um, and put it in front of the Wal-Mart store in town, Uh-huh. and they, it just really, every time you went by there it was just over flowing, That's right. and so Wal-Mart complained Uh-huh, yes. so they moved it behind the store and nobody knew where it was, Yeah. and so people kept piling stuff in the same place, where it used to be. Uh-huh. Great Oh, it was just like a dump there, I bet it was. and so finally, you know, I called and they said, you know, it was behind there and I started taking my things behind there. Uh-huh.
So we do that with, because we have milk cartons, you know, constantly, with two little kids, and the paper, Uh-huh. Sure. but it just builds up, Uh-huh. it would be so nice if they had it, you know at your home, where you could just turn it in so they, they final had enough of a response that they decided to try a small target area in one neighborhood, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Right. and they have pickup there, it's, uh, I think once or twice a week. Uh-huh. And the first couple weeks they did it nobody got their stuff out so they had not much participation, and they were going to cancel it, Uh-huh. but then finally people started getting the message. Yeah. It's just a matter of education, I think. Yeah,
and I think that, you know, if they can get enough going, they'll continue it, you know, throughout the rest of the city Uh-huh. but it's not, I think originally people thought it would be profitable for cities to do this, Uh-huh. and it's not going to be, Yeah, I don't think yeah, that's right. Yeah. I think basically it's a good idea, you know, I hope it works. Yeah, I do to because it's amazing, how much, you know, trash, we can generate, Absolutely. absolutely. I know this year we took our Christmas tree they had a place, in the park where you could go have your tree shredded Right.
and they gave you a little, um, seedling to plant, you know Uh-huh. Right. you could take the, the mulch home with you, you know, and take buckets of that home, Uh-huh. so that was really good idea, Sure. I thought. Absolutely. And there's just, you know, the two of us my wife and I and it's amazing how much stuff just the two of us generate, Yeah you know, I can imagine a family of, you know, four or five. Oh, yeah it's really, it adds up so fast. It really does. Yeah. As far as new stuff to recycle, you know, I don't really, I don't really know, I really hadn't thought about it to tell you the truth.
Yeah. Well, they're working on diapers, which would be great, That's right, I was, Uh-huh. I've read so many different things about diapers and now their saying that originally they thought the disposables were just awful, Uh-huh. but now their saying that they're, really not that much in comparison to the others because you don't have to use the water to wash them, and, you know, all different kinds of things too, That's right. so the diaper service, trucks apparently the fuel that they use and the fumes that they produce to deliver, and drop those off Uh-huh. Yeah. So I don't know what's the, you know, right thing to do but I really would hope that they would come up. I know there was a brand just briefly on the market that was recyclable Uh-huh. but the landfill have to do something special, you know, for those, I see.
but that just generates a tremendous of volume of trash too, so, Oh, I'm sure it must. Yes, you know I'm not personally involved because I don't, you know, I don't have any children that wear diapers, Yeah. but I'm sure it creates a large amount of, you know, uh, refuse. It does, and you just feel guilty if you don't do, something with them, you know, That's right . That's right. because you hate to contribute to the problem, Absolutely. but on the on the other hand the alternatives aren't to great either That's right, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I don't know what else they could recycle more of. I guess we don't really use that many tin cans.
I guess there's some places where you can recycle aluminum but I don't know about like cans that you keep vegetables and stuff, in, Uh-huh. I don't know if those are recyclable or, I think they're made out of aluminum, Um. Yes. There are, there is a receptacle, you know, at the centers also for aluminum, Yeah. but again we don't, we don't generate that much so, Yeah, we don't, we don't either, Yeah. we usually use frozen vegetables and things so we don't really have, much of that. That's right. that,
ninety-nine percent of ours is newspaper and, uh, you know, uh, glass. Yeah. Well, now when we lived out in California they actually had places where you could recycle if you change the oil in your car, or for aerosol cans and things, like that because they say it's not safe to put those things, in the regular trash Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's right. Car batteries. Yeah Uh-huh. Yeah. I don't, you know I don't change my own oil, so I don't, I don't, uh, don't have that problem. Yeah. Yeah, well other than that I'm not really sure, Yeah. we, we try to recycle old clothes Uh-huh. Yeah, well we do to as a matter of fact. *typo too
Our church has a place, where you can take them Right. and they, you know, pass them on to, other families, Yeah. so. Yes we have one of those in town. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. You know, our church each year has a, one of their major fund raisers is, you know, a garage sale. Oh. And there's a ton of clothes always, you know left over and I take those down to the, uh, it's called the Clothes Closet, Uh-huh. that's what it's called here in Plano. Right. Uh-huh.
Yeah. And they distribute them to the people, that need them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah that's, that's real helpful, too. Uh-huh. Yeah. Well, I'm not sure I can't really think of anything else that we could recycle. No, I can't either Yeah. I really can't, um, no, I, I really can't either. Okay. Okay, well, it was nice talking to you. You to. Take, care.
Okay. All right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, what types of music do you like to listen to? Well, I primarily listen to classical music when I have my druthers, partly because I find it more soothing. I don't know a lot about classical music so far as, uh, any background in music, but it's the the music I enjoy the most. How about you? I like classical music also. I, uh, like you, I don't know a whole lot about it, and I, I would like to buy more classical tapes and stuff, but I'm not sure which composers or which I really like, Right. so I kind of hesitate to buy something. Uh-huh. There are certain kinds I like and certain kinds I don't. I tend to listen to the classical music, uh, on the radio a lot.
There's, uh, one particular, well there several stations in this area that play, uh, classical music all the time, but there's one in particular that is on both A M and F M so I can listen to it without, uh, worrying. It's cute, though, because my children, when they get in the car, and I have, uh, the button pushed for that, they always switch it to something else Because naturally that isn't their taste at this point in time anyway. Yeah. Yeah, I understand that. Are, are you involved in music? Uh, no, not really. My husband is, but not, I do, uh, the world a favor and I don't sing aloud, to anybody but myself Well, my whole family is somewhat musical, um, and not from training, but just because we sing in our choir and my daughter's quite involved and all that sort of thing. So, um, I think that one of these days maybe she'll get involved in classical music, too, because that's usually what happens if you, unless you get into rock, which isn't her voice style. So, Yeah, I, I don't care for rock, at all. I guess I'm real old fashioned in my musical tastes.
No, I, well most of it is not all that exciting in that it is terribly repetitious. Yes. It's loud and repetitious without having a great deal of meaning. Now I do like folk song. Um, and there have been some nice folk songs over the years that, you know, kind of still hang around. Right. But, um, but, uh, the more popular music I don't care for, usually. Yeah. Um, even when I was a teenager I didn't really like the music of that period so much because I found I liked, um, a little bit more melodious music than what was often the popular, rock and roll kind of sound. Yeah, I agree with that too. Although now I kind of enjoy hearing the rock and roll, I guess it makes me think I'm young again Yeah, now rock and roll seems tame compared to like the New Age and all that stuff. Isn't that the truth? It's funny. In fact, it's interesting to me that so many of the songs, now I grew up in the late fifties and early sixties,
and so much of the music that was popular at that time, has come back. Uh-huh. And, you, you don't hear everything all the time, but you hear much of the same music, perhaps a new version of it, but it's the same stuff. Um, which is always kind of funny. Right. Um, and I remember my older sister. I have a sister who's sixteen years older, and at the time that I was a teenager, a late teenager I guess, I can't remember the year, SMOKE GETS IN YOUR EYES became popular. I think it was done by maybe the Platters or something. Uh-huh. Then, and she laughed and she said, Well, you know, when I was a teenager, that had been, you know, some years before, she said, that was a version of, you know, a song then. And she said, It's very similar, but they've changed a little bit. She said, I like the original version better. Well, they did it again, about two or three years ago, and I laughed again.
I said, Oh no, here we are Crops up every so often. Right, right. It does indeed. I listen to, um, the Christian radio station when I'm in the car. K L T Y. Uh-huh. I like to listen to some of that. Yes, now there, there's some wonderful Christian music when you can find good stations. Yeah. Uh, the problem that I found, um, in this area is that the, there, there is inconsistency in the quality here. Uh-huh. If you get someone who's very good at selecting, it's okay, but sometimes they kind of get on a, a, a binge, and they play the same sort of thing over and over again, without really necessarily quality. Yeah, where do you live? Uh, I live in the, uh, Washington, D C area, Maryland.
I thought maybe you lived in Dallas, because that's the complaint I make to my husband about the radio station too. I said, Oh, they're playing one of their ten songs. Yes. It seems like every week they pick ten and they just play them over and over, Uh-huh, and I, I, you know, there's so much available that I don't understand why they do that. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, now my children have, have sometimes, um, they've gone to a few of the concerts and so on of Christian musicians that come to our youth group at our church. And, um, and when they buy a tape or something, sometimes that's fun because it's different and something I've not always heard, and, you know, I enjoy that. Right. My husband likes Sandy Patty songs. He likes to sing those in church. He'd buy all the sound tracts he could get his hands on *typo tracks if he had the money to. Oh, wow. Yeah,
that's nice. So, is your husband a singer? Well, just an amateur singer. He sings in the choir and he likes to do special music and stuff at church. Right. Yeah. Well, that's a good thing to do. Yeah, yeah, I like to hear him sing. a very soft He does a good job. That's nice, uh, well, do you have children? No, not yet, we're expecting a baby in July. Well, wonderful. I guess we'll start listening, That'll be a musician.
Yeah, maybe so. We'll start listening to children's music Oh, there's some wonderful Christian, uh, children's tapes. You can, uh, you can get, Yeah, there are. and I know when my children were younger, um, we found a lot of really nice tapes that they, that they liked. Um, there was an Agape music group, and, um, I, some of the songs I still find going over in my head over and over again because they were really, um, very memorable even though my children are now, Uh-huh. my youngest is almost sixteen. Oh, uh But I still find some of the same tapes, I, uh, some of the same songs from those tapes I enjoy. Uh-huh. Um, there's one that's, um, a little girl singing Practice Makes Perfect. Uh-huh. And, uh, she's playing the piano. Oh. And so she, she gets the wrong note every now and then. But then she keeps repeating it, practice makes perfect,
and then you know, talking about that so far as Christian life, too, and it's really cute. Yeah, that sounds really cute. Yeah. Uh, I tell my husband to sing to my stomach, because they say that babies can hear quite a lot while they're still in the womb, and I said, then when, when it's born you can hold it and sing that again Yeah, right. and maybe it'll comfort her, you know, when she's fussy and stuff. Yeah, well do you know something? What? Because I have always played classical music, uh, or classical style, it's not always classical as, you know, the official, uh, word might go, but, um, even when I was pregnant, of course I listened to that, and when our first child was, you know, an infant, um, of course, when I was around the house, I played that music, too. When he first made sounds that you could detect they were in the scale, the music scale. Huh. Someone else noticed it
How strange. and I said, well, I guess that's true. And it was somewhat melodious, in other words it wasn't just Uh-huh. Babbly. you know, it was really funny I'll say, that is Well, we'll have to keep up with that then. Right, right. I do think there is probably an influence there, because I noticed that even though popular music, the, the wilder stuff, was around when my older children were, were, you know, adolescents, early adolescents, when they first start listening to music on their own they first get, ask for a radio of their own, and so on, Uh-huh. um, this same child, um, really listened to more, um, ballady or, um, pleasant sort of songs rather than, and even classical, rather than the real hard rock stuff that so many other kids listen to. Huh. And I, I never, I didn't want to say too much for fear he would think it was wrong and wouldn't do it anymore Right, yeah, have something to rebel against Right
But, uh, then I must say they all kind of like a variety of music, which is nice, I like that. Yeah, that's good, yeah, variety is good. Yeah. Well, I guess that covers it. It was real good talking to you. Well, it was nice talking to you, and good luck with the baby. Well, thanks, bye. Bye-bye. Okay Charles, uh, gun control, what are you, uh, for, in favor or no comment? I'm very much in favor of gun control. Oh, you are? Yes I am.
Well, this should be very interesting, because I'm against it. I don't, I don't mind people owning guns, I just think it should be a little, you know, a little, a little more regulated. Well, you know, uh, now here's something that, uh, first occurred to me when they started having all these problems with these automatic, uh, weapons. Yes. Uh, now there always has been a federal law against fully automatic weapons. I believe that's correct, uh-huh. And, yet, their, uh, the gun control enthusiasts are, are, uh, preaching about the gun control and how they should be, we should have stronger laws and what not. Uh-huh. I don't understand why we don't enforce the laws we have. That would certainly help, I'm sure. Now this is not just a state law, this is a federal law, controlled by the Treasury Department. Uh, for fully automatic weapons. Uh-huh. Yep. Uh-huh. And, uh, all right, now for instance, in California where they passed the uh, uh, semiautomatic Uh-huh.
or, or, uh, now what was it they called them? The military version, attack weapons, or something? Yeah, right, uh-huh. Uh, how is that going to affect the, uh, sports weapons? I mean, rifles, that are automatic or semiautomatic? Uh-huh. Yep. I really don't have any problem, Jack, with, you know, uh, people using firearms for sporting purposes. I don't have any problem, the only thing I, I am in favor of the seven-day waiting period. I would like to see that, see that happen. I, Uh-huh, well, now, uh, I've got to admit I'm inclined to agree with you there uh, even though I am a member of the N R A, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and they are they, their reason being that well, if you let one little law get through, pretty soon one's going to stack up on top of another, and so forth and so on. Right.
Yeah, I understand that. And you've got to admit that Congress does kind of look at things that way. Uh-huh, that's true. I, I, like I say, I don't have any problem with people using firearms, you know, for sporting purposes or hunting purposes, I just think it's just may be a little too easy you know, to acquire one. On, on a whim of some sort. Uh, That, that's true. Uh, now did you hear about the, the control that they have up in Virginia? I'm not sure I have. Uh, it, it's, it's a little hard to believe, but they can, uh, of course, like just like just about every other state in the union they have a felony law. Anyone ever convicted of a, a felony is, cannot purchase a weapon. Uh-huh. and they don't have a waiting period, because they have access to computer records concerning all these felons. Uh-huh. And uh, when you go in and buy a weapon or a handgun in, uh, uh, Virginia, the salesman just calls some number and, uh, punches in your name,
and if it comes up negative, okay, fine, and you get your your gun right then and there. I see. Uh, but they are the only state that does it. Hm, that's interesting. And, uh, according to Virginia, it didn't cost all that much. Uh-huh. and frankly, I, I don't understand why a state doesn't have those records available anyway. Yeah, Uh, uh, at least uh, records of, of, uh, known felons which are available to local police departments. yeah, you would think they would. Uh-huh. Yeah, right. Yeah, I'm surprised that more states doesn't do that. Uh, uh, uh, certainly those, those records are available, Uh-huh. and all they would have to do is expand it. To, uh, uh, well, connect them into a modem somehow.
Yeah, right. Uh-huh. I wouldn't think it'd be that difficult to do. Well, Virginia is not a particularly rich state, and they managed to squeak out a few bucks to do it. Yep, right. And, uh, it's, uh, uh, one-hundred percent successful. Hm, that's interesting. Yeah, I just heard about this last week. Uh-huh. Uh, they were bragging about it, Yeah. with, uh, uh, they should have, have pride in this because it's, it's a good system, Absolutely. and it's working well. Yeah,
I agree. And they don't need that seven-day waiting period. Uh-huh. Because the whole idea of that waiting period was, so that, uh, it, uh, the police could check up on you. Yep. Well, you know what's going to happen there, those files are going to back up on somebody's desk, just some of that typical bureaucratic work. Uh-huh. that's another, uh, uh, thorn in my side, bureaucratics, politicians. Uh-huh. Yeah, right. I agree. Yep, right. I was, just thinking there's, So anyway well, we seem to be one in favor and one against. yeah, I guess that's about right, Although neither one of us are, are, uh, really uh, uh, dyed in the wool.
Uh, Uh, we, but we both, Yeah, I'm not totally rigid on the subject, I just think there should be, you know, shouldn't be quite so easy to do. well, there should be some way of checking, Uh-huh. now here in, in Texas, uh, all you need is a driver's license. Right. Uh-huh. And, uh, even felons can still get a driver's license. Sure, uh, So I, I don't think they are too, well, they're not rigid enough here, in Texas. Yeah, that's true. But don't tell the N R A I said that. I I promise.
I won't They're liable to tear up my membership. Okay, I promise You say you retired a year ago? Yes, I did, uh-huh. I'm looking forward to it in about a, just, just over a year, myself. Yeah, I really enjoy it. Uh, I stay pretty busy. Uh-huh. I do quite a, not quite a lot, I do some, uh, volunteer work here in Plano. I, I have a few, uh, handicapped persons that I, you know, try to do things for, help them do. Oh, uh-huh. Well, uh, I bought a motor home here four years ago Uh-huh.
and I have been living in it ever since, That's, uh, and I'm looking forward to just traveling. Sure, I can understand that. I have four sons scattered all over the country, and a few grandchildren. Uh-huh. Yep. And I'm looking forward to just traveling around visiting them. That'd be neat. Sure would. Well Charles, good luck to you on your, Okay. Nice talking to you. Yeah, nice talking to you, too. Okay. Take care. Take care now. Bye-bye.
Bye. Hello. Hello I was, I was thinking about our topic for the night Um, immigration problems. We have immigration problems and what do, do you think about it? Well, I think it's a very, very complicated, Huh. and I sort of, I see perspectives on all sides. Um, and I've have no hope for solutions. But, uh, I do keep myself somewhat abreast of the issue. I have worked with, uh, uh, a little bit with refugees from, Southeast Asia, uh, who've come over. Uh, you know, to escape the genocide programs that are over there. And seen, you know, heard about some of the problems that they've had. And I'm also fairly sensitive to the issues about how open should the borders be. Because I, in general, like a smaller rather than a larger population, to the land area. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, I'm in California, which has a lot of immigration. Probably more than any where else in the country, though I'm not sure if that's the case. Where are you? See,
Well, we've got a lot too. I'm in Texas. Uh-huh, yeah. In Garland, right outside of Dallas. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So, we're getting a large oh, gosh, I don't know, I think there's like twenty-six different languages now, that are spoken in I, the I S D. Dallas Innercity School District. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Cambodians, uh, Asians, Vietnamese. We, we're getting a lot of, uh, Mexican Americans, you know, we've had, those for a long time. Yeah. Sure, well, Texas, used to be part of Mexico, or most of it Yes, oh, yes.
to child in No, I'm busy right now, Steven. Steven wants me to do popcorn right now. Huh. to Okay. And I don't know what the solution is. I, I don't either. It's a really delicate, uh, moral, issue. Because, if you have, well, I guess the one thing I do see that is, is that needs to be a solution is, that if you do let people into the country, I do feel you have a certain obligation to, to get them on their feet. To get them on their, Yeah. Because otherwise what you're doing is you're letting people in and you're, you're dooming them to being underclass people. Right, You know, you're dooming them to ghetto life or whatever. And I know that, that the Southeast Asians, the Hmong people that I've done some work with, uh, feel very quite hurt and, and unsure of themselves when here. Because they're coming from, you know, from the slash and burn intercultural society, you know, they're coming from the middle ages, basically. And they're being plunked down, plunked down into America.
Many of them had been promised by the C I A, during the war over there, that because they co-operated with the C I A, and they helped the C I A out, that when they came here, the C I A would help establish them in America, and the C I A, of course, isn't doing that. Um. And, uh, so they come here and they don't know what the heck they're doing. And they're finding themselves adrift in the big cities. And, of course, there are people in the big cities who would do, like nothing better than to take advantage of them. Uh-huh. And they're, they're incredible victims of crime. And part of it is this lack of, lack of basic information, being dissimilated . And I'm not saying it's easy to do, and I know there are a few people who are trying, but, but the funding isn't there for very much work to be going on. And there's a lot of graft, like people trying to tell them, oh, giving them information that was free to them anyway if they just knew how to get it. Uh, yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, these are people who don't have the foggiest idea about what America's like. Right. Um, and it's,
it's, I, I couldn't really conceptualize how hard it was to understand that until I, until I met with them. And I realized that, they, some of the information that I just, you know, don't even realize and know is information, they don't have. And I never thought, well, I guess that is something you need to know, you know. People getting into trouble because they come here, and so they start farming on, uh, available land, you know. Like the median strips on freeways because no one's using it. But then someone comes along and says you can't do that, you know. Why can't they? They have no idea why not, some, some of them, you know. The ones that have been here longer and have been in, you know, understand now. But when they initially come over, You mean, really trying to plant something? That's what you're saying? Yeah, Farming? 'cause they're farmers. These, are all farmers coming over, Oh. and they're being put in the middle of the city Oh that's terrible.
I mean they're nomadic farmers, you know, they're people who farm on the hillside and then leave the hillside to another hillside and farm on that hillside. Uh-huh. These are people who've never seen flat ground before and people who've never seen property rights before. You know, these people who've never seen any machines other than those used in war. And, uh, they have, you know. So I, I, I do have a lot of sympathy for them, and I feel that America could try a little bit harder to, to help people adjusting to the American way. Because if they don't, you're just going to produce, you know, you're going to produce an underclass, you know. You're going to get a situation that I think a lot like what happened to the blacks, being sort of led out of slavery and then, then many of them ended up just working the same jobs they were as slaves then. And there was no, real up, upward movement. And not being cared for. And, not being, you know, Yeah. That's true. Um, Well, what did you do when you helped these people? Well, How did you, what did you do, I, I wasn't helping them.
I worked with them, not to help them, but for my own purposes. I'm, I'm a linguist and I was, uh, doing a language, trying to learn their language, a little bit. And I actually, um, I mean, helped them them in the sense that they received money for working with me. But I didn't, I didn't, I wasn't a social worker or anything like that. All right. I do have friends who have tried to do more, social work, you know, by explaining to people how the language, and what the problems learning English might be and such. Uh-huh Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Because all the models of teaching English are based on teaching English to Spanish speakers or to other European language speakers. And people don't realize how different some of the languages they speak are. Well, I'm an E S L teacher. Oh, you are? Yes. Uh-huh, well you, I got my certification. But actually they did not teach us very many things about how really to go about helping people to learn another language That's, that's been my impression.
I mean, it's like people don't know, what they say, Yeah. It's, it's not, they're not withholding information, it's not step for step. they just don't have that information. Yeah They, they haven't the foggiest idea. But anyway, I enjoy it. They, they, the kids I've worked with so far have been Spanish speaking. Yes. And And Spanish is, pretty close to English, really. but I'm applying for, What? Yeah, it is. And Spanish is a lot like English. A lot of our words are the same, Yeah.
like, you know, they just change the pronunciation a little bit. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. But, I love it. I love the culture, uh, the way that they, uh, they respect education and their teachers their parents, so much more than, than my children do. You know, Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh, uh-huh. and I like it. And what I've been thinking about doing is volunteering for this, uh, Asian center that, a Doctor Falk has started, that works with the school district. Uh-huh. And doing what, trying to get them set up, inculturated, into the system. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I thought that would be good experience for me. Oh, I'm sure it would. And, I've applied at another district where many of the children are Asian. Uh-huh,
uh-huh. And I think that would be wonderful too. Yeah, it would be a good experience, and you'd be helping people, I'm sure. Very much. And and I mean, not to put, not to trivialize the problems of any immigrant group but I do know the Asian groups are having a lot of trouble. I mean, and part of the problem is that, a lot of Chinese and Japanese immigration from, you know, decades ago has been very successful because they valued education and so forth. Right. They became a very successful immigrant group. But, and, but a lot of people coming over from Vietnam, right now, coming from worn torn countries, are, are not having the same success. I think some people have just assumed, well, why, why can't you be successful? The Japanese were, or the Chinese were, or something. And it's really much more complicated. Well, the times were different too. Yeah, the times are different, yeah. My neighbor, let's see, is Jewish. And he's going through the, I don't know, the Jewish League or something. And helping a family that's come over from Russia. Uh-huh.
Uh-huh, uh-huh. And he spends, well, right now, he's down to like once a week, but he was going over there several times a week to be with the family, and help them with the language. Uh-huh. And he thoroughly enjoyed it. Oh, yeah. I, I think it's a wonderful thing to do. And there's a lot, there's a lot more, I guess another possible solution is, since taxpayers aren't going to start paying more money for this and, and other budgets aren't going to be cut to pay for it, uh, more of the volunteer network service. No. Because everyone gains from it. Uh-huh. Would be, would, might be really useful. Uh, and if it's, you know, uh, just people helping people I think makes, makes the community so much happier. Uh-huh. What's so sad about this is both of the, the man and the woman had a degree having to do with computers
but, their training isn't what we need in this country. Uh-huh. Yes. And because they're so deficient in English, they haven't been able to get jobs. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So they'll have to go back and get a degree here. You know, almost start all over. Yes, yes, I've known people with effectively worthless degrees in this country. I mean, and they're highly educated people, but of course, if you're educated and you don't speak English, no one thinks anything of you. No, no. And this woman was, uh, stocking the shelves in a drugstore. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I feel sorry for her. Yeah, I do too.
Well, It's been good talking with you. Well, thank you. Uh, okay. Have a good night. Okay, it does sound like you have some children to take care of Okay. Yes, I do Uh, Okay, bye-bye. Okay, Bye. I just pressed my, uh. We're supposed to talk about recent political developments. I got one that's interesting, not too, not too controversial, I, you know, not, doesn't matter whether you're Democrat or Republican. I, I do get somewhat of a kick out of,
because Schwartzkopf, or the other generals, who I admire, how everyone wants to make, get them in politics. I think that's kind of an interesting recent thing, that I could think of recently that, uh, Uh-huh. I was wondering what you thought about that making the general, uh, getting a general into politics. Yeah. They want him because he's popular, not because he can do the job. Right. Well, I've, I've been thinking about it, and I, uh, I kind of get a kick out of they always want the hero, those, we're looking for a hero. Well, TIME magazine was saying that in essence the general's staff was comparing to corporate presidents, and they said in general, generals are more familiar with training, that they believe in training more. Uh-huh. They are much more educated than the average corporate president, and so they really were very positive on a general's staff person having a, a very much better education than the average, uh, corporate president. So, I thought well, maybe. I, I think they probably have a better education than the average congressman. Well, that, too, that, too.
And, uh, you know, they talk about the Army and because of the war and why did we win, and all that, and they talked about how the training was so important. And that's so important in industry, so, you know, they're liable to be right. That generals, generals in the service, and Schwartzkopf, uh, you know, might make a good, uh, politician, whether it be Governor or whatever, you know. He, he, you know, we know he's a good leader, we know he's a good organizer. The question is, you know, can he be the man who's ultimately responsible. You know, like what he said is, you know, a lot of times in his interviews he was talking about, you know, people asking why are you doing this, why are you doing that. He says, I'm following the orders of my president. I'm not the one who writes the orders. I'm just the one who follows them. Yeah, it's interesting how they say that when they're usually the top dogs, you know, everyone has a boss, of course. You know, Schwartzkopf was ordered to get Iraq out of Kuwait. Yeah. And so he went to the President and said, okay, here's how I want to do it.
But he wasn't the one that decided Iraq needed to get out of Kuwait. No, that's true, that's true. Uh-huh. Uh, you, you pick one. I just thought of that one when, when they brought up about politics. That was, uh, pretty easy Yeah. you don't have to pick Democratic or Republican, you can pick anything you want, go ahead. Well, the thing that I'm wondering about is how we get a new congress. How do we get some of these guys that have been in there for so long, how do we get them to not get reelected over and over again. Well, I have an easy answer for that, oh, I wish they would do it, is that limit it, you know, to eight or ten years max. Yeah. You know, whether that's two five year terms or whatever. I yeah.
Yeah. That may be our only answer, but I don't really like it. I don't like the fact that the President is limited in the number of terms he can serve. Oh, you know, you're not. I think if the President, be him Republican or Democrat, I think if the President can prove that he's popular, you know, that he can do the job then the people should be allowed to elect him as often as they want. Yeah. I think the reason why we've got these guys in Congress is because of the fund raising rules. I mean, how many of these big campaign contributions that they're running on this year, did they get after they were elected, just, you know, just after they were elected two years ago. Yeah. Basically the people, as soon as they get elected, the people dump all kinds of money on them and say, Yeah, yeah, you're my friend, you're my friend, and two years later he remembers that. And what they done is they've bought this congressman for two years. Yeah, I don't know, I do like the limitation of the President, and I think there is a needed change.
I think the same thing should happen for Congress. I, I'd you know, that would be my answer of an easy way to get these guys out of there for twenty years. Yeah, well. My God, it's ridiculous, you know. That's, that's the easy way. I think the harder way out would be to make the guys that are in there and the guys who are trying to get in there run on more level ground We had. That's what the financing rules and the, uh, the mailing rules and the size of the office staff and all that stuff. I think voting is, is a I think I had one of the subject about voting, and, uh, voting apathy, or something like that, and I think that, uh, the voting rules need to be changed where you have a little more time. I can't believe that a country our big votes for a President from seven o'clock in the morning til seven o'clock at night, you know. Yeah. Of course they have absentee which is getting to be more, a lot easier, and I, I vote as often on absentee as I can because it's so easy now. But, I think, gee whiz, you could make it a couple days. It's just, if you really want the majority of the people to vote then give them a couple of days. Yeah. Well, I think a lot more people could vote if they were somehow persuaded that it's something worth caring about.
Yeah, yeah. You know, like, you know, the, the recent election about how the Dallas City Council should be made up, that election last December. Are you in Dallas? Yeah, I'm in Dallas city limit. Boy, I, I, I live in Arlington. I am so happy not to be part of Dallas when I see those folks there. Yeah. It's an ugly mess. I mean, I don't know if you like the mayor, but I think your mayor, the city council, the, what is the woman's name whose, us, not the mayor but the, *typo should be who's The manager. Yeah, the city manager. All of them need to be thrown out. I mean, they're just awful, just awful.
Well, what get's me is this thing, it went down to defeat last December by how many votes, by just a few hundred votes. Uh-huh And if it, if it had passed, if these people had gotten out the vote, it would have passed and there'd be no more argument. But they're still fighting about it because of the way the election went last December. I know. It's so awful that politicians always spent consulting money. That we put them in office and then they go out and spend a couple hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy consultants, and then they don't even do that recommendation, you know. Uh-huh, yeah. I mean, it's amazing the money that they spend once they get in. But, but this is for, supposedly to benefit the minorities, and all the minorities had to do was go out and get a couple more hundred people to vote Well you're right there. and they would have had their way. You're right there. Uh, uh, people are, uh, uh, politics, uh, the voting is still not as much as you think in all kinds of issues really.
Yeah, it's pretty sad. Yeah, it is. Uh, hopefully people will get more involved. My, my position is people who don't vote don't have any right to complain about the way the government's going. Oh, yeah, but those are the ones that are complaining, I, I think, a lot. I see it here at T I. The guys that don't take any interest in, and, and constantly on the negative of everything. Uh-huh. And, uh, Is that right? Ooh. And, and you ask them why they don't vote, they say well they don't want their name on the, uh, jury duty list. That, that's where they get the jury duty list, is from the voter registration. Right, you're right, you're right. I think they could do more about, uh, voting. I think they could.
What are the issues? I, I'm a Democrat, I want to just say that I'm so sad that there isn't a strong Democrat. I don't even know, I could go out and debate George Bush better than I see any Democrat doing it. Uh-huh. You know, I mean, at least I'd like to see because I like competition, you know. Yeah. I think rolling over and put your belly up and play dead, I'm so disgusted with the Democratic party, I can not believe it, you know. *typo cannot In Presidential races that's about what they've done, but they've got a pretty good lock on Congress and a lot of local things. Yeah. Yeah, but I still think in the last ten years, you know, of course that's not a recent event, that's only my opinion, I guess I really shouldn't talk about that.
But, I don't know whether they're recent events. I guess they on this, uh, speech thing, they want us to use a variety of words. Right. How many times have you called, by the way? Actually, I haven't made any calls, but I received about a dozen. Oh, really, I, I, I, I think, yeah, I have to make these, but I get distracted and get to do something else, and all of a sudden my phone rings, and go, Well, what the heck, we'll talk for a while. Yeah, I've already got twelve cards. You get any cards in the mail? Yeah, we got a whole bunch. I can't remember how many. I don't know, I'm amazed by, of course, we're not talking about politics,
but I am amazed by, people say they got thirty. Well, I wonder why you need thirty renditions of the persons voice, but I'm not in voice synthesis. But I'd sure like to see a summary of it. We'll get to politics, I'm sorry Well, I think we've used up as much time as we're supposed to anyway. Yeah, right. We're supposed to do five minutes, and that was three minutes ago. Yeah. Hey, well thanks for the call. Yeah, bye-bye. Yeah, bye. Okay, yeah, I'm originally from New York
and I go visit a lot and their real estate up there is, I mean ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. Oh. An apartment here, like I live in an apartment and my apartment is three fifteen a month and it's just the one, it's a one bedroom. And how big is it? Which is still kind of expensive but I prefer to live in, uh, in a nice part of town because I feel safe here. Yeah. And I, I, I pay more to feel safe, you know. Right, well what's included in that? You mean in a one bedroom? Like washer, dryer or, Oh, nothing. Nothing. Huh-uh, I mean just nothing, no microwave,
we've got, I have ceiling fan, Wow. I guess that's something. Yeah. Which one is it? It's Wood, uh, listen to me I can't even think of the name of my own apartment. Woodhollow, Where is right next to Village Green, it's on, Oh, okay, okay. yeah, kind of far north Waco. Yeah, I, I used to live in Waco so, Oh, okay, yeah,
far north, like on Lake Shore where all those apartments are, Yeah, yes, yeah. it's right up there, so. Yeah, uh, we live in a house here, Uh-huh. and, uh, it's a three bedroom two bath, Uh-huh. and, uh, I, it's, it, I don't know I got two numbers today, actually we were talking about mortgage insurance today with my agent, Uh-huh, uh-huh. and, uh, it's about sixteen hundred square feet, which is fine for the two of us. Uh-huh. Right. But it, it, you know, we looked at a lot of houses that were, had more square footage,
Uh-huh. but they didn't use it right, you know. Right, uh-huh. It was a bunch of empty, you know, hallway and stuff that that could have been used as yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, really. So we've used every bit of it and our house, um, we bought it for sixty-four, Um. and, uh, the neighbors house next door to us sold for seventy-five, Uh-huh. so, you know, I think we were you know, got a good deal on it. So that looks good when you all get ready to sell, you'll probably do really well. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. My father used to live in Dallas, uh, now, he, he went back to New Jersey, we're originally from the East. But he, Oh really, my husband's from New Jersey oh, really, he, uh, well actually right now he lives in Rhode Island, he lived in New Jersey for a while, now he's in Rhode Island. And, uh, he used to like to go, and we used to go, just every weekend just to look at houses, for no reason, we weren't buying one every weekend, but just to look at them. And so I got a pretty good feel of, you know, what I want when I do, you know, get my house, whenever that is, um. What was I going to say about that, I completely lost my train of thought. Um, but we, we enjoy going looking at houses and, and, uh, we now, I kind of have a good idea of what I want. I know I want a big family area, Yeah,
that's what we were looking for the first thing. uh, yeah, fire, a fireplace, I saw this awesome house the other weekend, it was a great big family room and it was circular and the other side was the patio and the backyard, and it had a built in, uh, grill and every, Wow. I mean, it was, it was just, an the ultimate party room, you know, Uh-huh, yeah. I was just going I could have a party in here. But that's pretty nice. But that's what we had, uh, uh, that's what we had looked for, was our main concern was a big living room, you know, and big closet space, you know. Uh-huh. Right, yeah
I like a lot of closet space, I don't like because, I don't like to have a lot of things out, you know, just all over the place, Yeah, yeah. I like to have them kind of tucked away. And, uh, so that's, that's what we went for first and, and it, you know, we, we don't, we just have a big living room an, and a dining room is separate, Uh-huh. and, you know, some places have, like the house next door to us that we looked at, had a living room, a dining room and a den. Uh-huh. Right. But to stick a wall between two rooms didn't do anything for us just so we could have a living room and a den. Uh-huh. So, we opted for the just, the whole wide room, that went from one end of the house to the other, just about. Uh-huh. My father had, uh, I keep talking about my father because he owned a house,
uh, he had the kitchen, kind of a kitchen and a very long family room, Yeah. it's just kind of one room and what he did, he put, uh, a bar right in the center, and put some, uh, a glass rack down, so you had like wine glasses hanging from the ceiling and then the bar Oh. and it just kind of, it kind of separated it. It was still, you know, together, but it just looked a lot better. Because I personally don't like the combination rooms. Yeah, right, I, but I, I think for where we are, um, I think we got a real good deal on it Uh-huh. and we, you know, we have a, uh, the backyard is just huge. Uh-huh. It is just really, I think another house could fit back there. Yeah, I'd like a big backyard.
And, uh, we really liked it, of course, when you have to mow it You know in, uh, middle of August, it's, it's kind of, a little hot, Oh really. A little hot. yeah. Try to do it early in the mornings. But, uh, it's, it's nice and that was, you know, a big selling point too, and I think another thing that was really nice was that our neighbors on the other side of us bought the lot right next to us. Uh-huh. And they've lived there and have it all built up, you know, they've got a whole garden and trees and everything so it's not like, we're, uh, kind of secluded, you know, Wow. we don't have a neighbor's fence coming up to ours. You know, right up to our bathroom window or whatever it is. Like a lot of the little model homes that they you know throw up in three days. Uh-huh, well that's good. Yeah, yeah. That's true,
they do throw those up. And, uh. Are you all planning to move anytime, are you looking for a house, or not. No, no, not at all, Uh-huh. in fact, uh, we, we talked about that just a little bit, you know, Uh-huh. we were joking around about, uh, winning a sweepstakes, and what would we do with the money Uh-huh. and Steve said we'll I'll buy a bigger house and I said no, I would just fix this one Yeah, really. You know, there's, you know cause we, I like where it is and I like how it's laid out and it took us forever to find it. To find it,
uh-huh. But when we found it, it was, we knew it. You knew that was it. Yeah. Uh-huh, I'll probably, I'll probably move, but I'll probably move to another apartment or something because I'm, I'm, I'm really, uh, what's the word, I move a lot anyway, because the job I have I only work, Yeah. like here, I'll be here for like a year and then I'll move off, I can move up, and so. Where? I'm a, I'm a news reporter. Oh, okay. I work at Channel Six. Oh, okay. and so this is like my first job
so I won't be here very long, Right. so I'm not even looking to buy anything as permanent as house, you know, Right. so I'm staying in an apartment and I'm not married or anything, so. It's no biggie. Um. Yeah, and that's, and that's one thing is once you, you know, you get into a house it's like, you get more stuff, Uh-huh. and to put it all back into an apartment would just never work . Yeah, yeah. God, I can't believe we moved out of an apartment and had this much stuff and it actually fit, you know. Yeah. Of course we got it on, a little bit of more furniture and stuff, but it was just unreal. Yeah,
like I'm amazed at how much stuff I've accumulated in my apartment, because, up to this point I was in school so I'd go home every summer Yeah. and I could take all my stuff home, because I didn't have a bed or a couch or any, any of that, Yeah. but now I could not move back home. And I just realized this, you know, the other day, I'm going wait a minute, I can't go back home for the summer or anything, I have too much stuff. Yeah. So, it was just like a weird transition out of home so I have to move in apartments just because I have so much stuff. Yeah, and that's, actually three fifteen over there's probably not real, real bad. No, it's not, it's not. For, for Waco and, and for as many, gosh as many as apartments and condo's are over there, Yeah.
Oh my goodness, yeah. I mean it, it's just, and, and especially around Lake Shore area, that area's picked up quite a bit since we were there, and, uh. Uh-huh, yeah, uh-huh. There, there are tons of apartments down here, I mean, and it, Yeah, because I, I had lived in the, gosh, I'm not sure what they're called now but they were Lake Shore Apartments that are like right next to the baseball field, M C C Baseball field, but. No, M C C, yeah, yeah. I, I think they're called Lake Shore Villa or something. the ones next door to those,
there were Lake Shore, Um. there's a, I don't know what they look like now. And it's a nursing there was a nursing home or something right there. Yeah there was a nursing home and then there's an apartment and then there's another apartment. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And we lived in those, those third ones and they we moved in when they were brand new, uh, you know, Uh-huh. we drive by now and think, gosh, you know, look how much it's changed an. Yeah. How often do you all come through Waco? Oh, every now and then, Uh-huh.
it just, we, Depends on what's going on. It's, uh, yeah, and it's not really, now that it's sixty-five it doesn't take hardly anytime to get there, you know, run to the mall or run to Sam's or, or whatever. Uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah. We used to run to you know, Red Lobster but now they've got one in Killeen, so, Uh-huh, all right we don't have to run that far So that's, that's about how things are and the, seems like the market here's picking up. You think, uh-huh,
uh-huh. Yeah, I really think it is. Um. Just for the fact that the, you know, it's, it seemed like as soon as we bought this house we saw all these houses for sale, you know, Um. and I think now a lot of them are selling and a lot of sellers are getting close to what they want instead of, you know, just having to give it away. Waco to me seems, seems like it's pretty steady. I mean I'm not a real estate person or anything, Yeah. but it, it's a real college town and so you know, you have these apartments and then the, the houses are all, most of the houses are pretty nice, Yeah. and I don't, I don't, you know really see a lot on sale or anything and people are pretty stable here. Yeah. You know, I kind of see this as kind of a retirement community, as I always call it.
Yeah, I, I saw, I see that a lot too, there. Yeah. And it's nice too. Uh-huh. I liked living there. Nice and quiet, so. I don't think I could live here much longer but I'll deal with it. Well, Well it , I guess we chewed up the house market, and apartment market for a while. Yeah. Really, okay well it was very nice talking to you. You too, Tanya. Okay, you take care, All right. Okay,
bye, bye. Bye, bye. Well, what, what kind of car, did you just buy a car or are you in the market to buy a car or, Actually, I'm real close to being in the market to buy a car. Oh. I've got, uh, a couple older cars, they're both over ten years old Uh-huh. and, uh, they've served me well, but I kind of would like to get a more, uh, gas efficient car and a newer model, something looks a little nicer. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, I've got three children at home. Two fourteen year olds and a twelve year old, and so I need to make sure I've got one that I can fit, all five of us into. Uh-huh. And if you, if you know anything about teenagers it's kind of hard to get them to sit together for any amount of time. Yeah,
I, I seem to remember when I was young that was a problem Well, uh, I've kind of been leaning towards a Caravan. Uh-huh. Uh, now I know that, that, uh, they've gotten quite pricey in the last couple of years, but, uh, I like the Dodge products and, uh, been, uh, couple times I've had a opportunity to rent one Uh-huh. uh, I've been really pleased with its performance and with the size and because if you get the seven passenger version you can put some space between the kids. Yeah, yeah. And, uh, I think that would, that would serve us well. Plus it's got, uh, good storage capacity in it for, you know, taking things along, going to the store, Uh-huh. Which is the one that has modular type seats? You know which one I'm talking about? They have the commercial on TV where you can, you can pull some seats out, Uh-huh. and you can move around. Exactly correct.
Yeah, if you want, Is that, is that the Dodge Caravan, that does that Yes. or, Yeah it, uh, the Dodge Caravans will do that. Uh, you can take the, uh, uh, usually there's a, uh, a double seat behind the, uh, front buckets. Uh-huh. And then if you get the, and then there's a three seat that goes or three person seat that goes in the back. Now what you can do is you could take that middle seat out and just have the three seats in the back, and the two seats up front, Uh-huh. or you can take the, uh, three seat out and just use the two seat or you can take the two seat and move the two seat to the back. So it's very versatile. You can move, the seats all around. Yeah.
About the only thing you can't do is take that three person across seat, and move it forward. Uh-huh. Well, the one that, I can't remember one it is, if it's the, it it's the Toyota or, or one of the other ones. I don't know if it's one of the Americans or the import ones where, uh, they actually have like, uh, some bucket seats in the back but you can actually pull them out. I mean they're really easy to pull out. Uh-huh. Uh, and you can, uh, move them around and stuff and it, it, to me, that, that would be real good for us. Uh, my husband and I, uh, like to go camping and stuff, Uh-huh. and right now we have a van which is, it's an older van and we're, we're thinking about buying another sedan, uh, probably next year. Uh, right now motorcycles takes precedence, since that, that's what my husband really wants right now. Yeah. But, uh, next year we'll probably buy a new car and we're looking at, uh, possibly the Honda Accord.
Uh, that's kind of, uh, as far, as far as the interior, it's got the luxury interior, but it doesn't really have the luxury price tag that a lot of the other cars have, which is one of the things that we were looking at. You know, finding something that's, that's fairly affordable, but, yet has all the nice luxury items that we want. Uh-huh. Yeah, I think that's getting to be kind of important now that, uh, the price is becoming the driving factor, Yeah. and then you look at, once you realize how much money you've got to spend, then you start looking around at, at what you can buy with it, where before I think you, you looked at the car you wanted, and then you looked to see how well you could afford it Uh-huh. Yeah. Or how you could afford it. Well, I think it's going to be a lot easier now. I just heard that they lowered the prime lending rate, so I think it's going to be a lot easier to, to be able to get a car now and finance it. Yeah. I think banks are going to be a lot more, a little bit more lenient. Yeah, I know they're trying to do everything they can to, uh, end the recession.
Yeah. And dropping the prime is probably one of the things. I just bought a new house so I got a, a, uh, nine and a half percent interest rate. Uh-huh. I'm not sure I could do much better today. But, uh, that is also effecting buying a new car Yeah. I can imagine. You got to kind of work, work that into your budget. Well, that and that, Balance that and the house payment, and of course, uh, is if you buy a new car you're going to, are any of your kids driving age yet? Uh, two fourteen year olds will be, uh, fifteen on the fourth of July so, Are are they twins? Yeah, they're twins born on the bicentennial. Oh, wow.
You're going to have twins have them on the bicentennial, is our motto. July fourth seventy-six So, uh, uh, I've still got another full year and three months before they're going to be behind the wheel, of a car. Uh-huh. So America's safe for another fifteen and, uh, after that, now I may keep the, uh, one or both of the two cars I, I currently have, for them to drive. You know, they're, they're, they're small enough that a first time driver could handle it, yet big enough that I feel feel safe that, if they were in an accident they would survive. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Know what I mean. It, I don't get that kind of feeling with the kind of car like you talked about, the Honda. They're just, Well, the, the Honda's have been, have been very safe. In, in accidents, uh, more so that a lot of the American cars. Uh-huh. Is that right? Matter of fact I just heard something today on, on the news about those, uh, automatic seat belts that are attached to the door Uh-huh. Right. uh, they're questioning the safety of those now saying that, and they showed, uh, a simulation where there they had a dummy in the car
and the door opened and the dummy actually fell out of the car and the car rolled out on top of him. Jeez. So they're saying they're not as safe as, they give the appearance of being safe, but they're really not as safe as they, as they, uh, appear to be. So, uh, I'm kind of concerned about that as far as, you know, the seat belts. Well, Uh, I don't know if Maryland has a, uh, a seat belt law, but they do have one in Texas. Yes. And you're, you're required to wear them. Definitely. The thing is that they're, I think it's a two part seat belt, though, there's the, uh, door belt and then there's one, a lap belt. Exactly. But, ninety, uh, probably about, well, I don't know about ninety,
but probably fifty percent of the people that have those probably don't wear the lap portion of it. I know my brother doesn't and he has one in his car. Make sure you smack him around then So, I mean, it, it kind of gives you a false sense of security. You think, oh, I've got one portion of my seat belt on, uh, but if your door comes open, you know, it's not going to do you any good. Yeah. So, that, that, that's a concern of mine as far as, uh, what I'll be looking at with buying a new car. Uh, I'm not really sure if I would want the seat belts attached to the door. I think I would feel better with them attached to the actual car. The inside where they're normally attached to, like behind the door. Yeah. Yeah. The, uh, the supports. Uh, a good source of information I've found has always been these, uh, used car manuals because you can flip through the used car manuals Uh-huh. and they'll give you a list of all the problems that the car's had in the past. Um. And you can look at the, uh, the track record on, a car over the year,
Yeah. and, you usually notice, uh, a lot of problems at the beginning and then things kind of iron out, to where, there's fewer problems. Yeah. Yeah. And you get an idea on how well the, the next car's going to be. Now as long as they aren't changing the model, you know, like when the, uh, Pontiac Grand Prix went from being a huge car to a small car they had a lot of problems, with the smaller car. Yeah. As long as they aren't, Yeah, the, the Le Mans is like that, too. Uh, we used to have a Le Mans when I was in, in high school, uh, and it was a big car. I mean it was like the, uh, the Grand Prix, Uh-huh. and in, I think around nineteen eighty, uh, they changed the model and it, like, went to half the size. Yeah, sure. Literally, I mean it got chopped in half and it wasn't even the same car anymore.
Didn't even remotely resemble the old car. Uh-huh. Yeah, I remember when that happened. So unless they're really changing the model, uh, yeah, chances are that it's probably going to have the, the fewer mistakes than it had the year before. Yeah. Well, everybody that I've talked to who's ever had a Honda loves them. Uh-huh. And my husband had a Honda, uh, and it was a lease car and he had to turn back in, uh, a year and a half ago. Uh, and he had it for four years and never had a single problem with it. And it was great. Uh, and the only reason why we ended up not buying it was because we didn't feel, the, at the time the residual was like sixty-five hundred dollars and it was a four year old car with seventy thousand miles on it and we thought that was a little bit too much to pay for uh, a four year old car Yeah. Yeah, I agree. So, so we ended up,

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