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or . Yeah. It's amazing what a minivan can do. We went camping this past weekend with some friends that had a minivan. And pulled the, uh, the little trailer behind. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. The pop-up trailer? Uh-huh. And, uh, it's, so it's really amazing how much a minivan you know, what it can do. Yeah. And they're not that expensive. No, they're not. Yeah. They're probably . Mainly because everyone makes them, you know Yeah. You can take your choice of how expensive you want it to be. Yeah.
And we, we do a lot of, uh, driving. We do a lot of traveling. By car. Uh-huh And so that's the only time that the, that the, uh, conversion van came in handy. But it really didn't cause our, our kids are still little. Uh-huh. So, uh, that was the only time we really needed it. Other than that, it got terrible mileage and. Yeah Yeah. Minivans do pretty well. You know, twenty, twenty, twenty-five miles per gallon or more. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them probably even do thirty. Yeah. The, uh, yeah. There, there's some other cars I'd like but I, I would never be willing to send quite that much money for, uh, like, uh, uh,
I'll drool over them. Okay. Uh, mandatory service. Yeah. I don't think it's a good idea, uh, because we'd have to change the constitution to, to, uh, allow, uh, involuntary servitude, uh, in service to the government. And I'm not sure that we could, do that in such a way that we could avoid winding up a slave state. Uh-huh. It's, I like the, idea. And, In what way are you talking about. Well, I like the idea of volunteer, voluntary support. Right. I mean they might be able to, ah, say that anyone who does that, uh, gets certain benefits that would not be available to someone who didn't do it. But to use force, uh, really sets us a, a, essentially says that your body, there's a title to your body and that title belongs to the government. . And you are not a free American citizen. Yeah. Right. The idea itself of service is good and when someone is say, out of high school and not sure about college or out of college and not ready to go into a career and they're not committed to huge amounts of debt, that's the best time to be able to do work that doesn't pay very well.
See, I, yeah. And I also thought that, uh, that would interfere with, with college work. Yeah. Unless it were tied directly. And they didn't, Yeah. You know, if someone were studying something, take something obscure. Somebody was studying economics, the State Department could offer to send them to the Soviet Union for two years to teach them how to run their country. Yeah. As an extreme example, right? But, in reality, I think what you would wind up with is a political football where they would see all these body counts that they can use to, for their own will and I just don't think it would work. When do they assume this is going to be proposed or mandatory? Or when, when, what, what year are they looking at? Well, they're not. It's been suggested. Uh-huh. And it's sort of a topic of debate.
Every time it comes up it gets voted down. The people who are promilitary oppose because they don't want people to have the right to opt out of the military into something else. Yeah. And the people who are proconstitution oppose it on the grounds that the government shouldn't even have the right to enforce you to join the military unless the United States is actually under attack Yeah. Right. Right So, mostly, it's just kind of one of those things that goes away. Yeah. Ah! They've got a noisy line. I thought that was your line Yeah. Well, it's somewhere between here and there. Uh, what age group are, are they looking at? Uh, oh eighteen. The draft age. Eighteen. Yeah. Yeah, that seems,
normally that would interfere with college, I would think. Wait a, yeah. Let me see if I can get on a cleaner line. If it's my line, uh. I moved. Maybe that is, that's part of it. Yeah it is my line. I was on a radio phone. Oh. All right. That's better Yeah, now their, they, they figure that they can draft you at eighteen. They usually do draft you at nineteen. And that's the, age they're looking at. Oh. Um. And, of course, they're, this one the women would be equally grabbed
and they're almost on the verge of saying that you, if you're going to draft men, you're going to have to draft women. And you're going to have to put them in front of the guns just the same. Right. So, uh, if you're near that age or you know somebody who is uh, you know, be aware of that. Uh-huh. Yeah Well, that's kind of scary Yeah. I'm not near that age I'm way over it but I do have children to think about, you know. Oh, okay. Yep. And you don't want them sent off to the Middle East to help defend Bush from Saddam after Bush gets done arming him. That's kind of scary. Right. You know, we only find out about that a year after the fact. Yeah. So, it's another thing. When in doubt, don't trust the government at all
It's really reached that point. Oh. Uh-huh. Huh. Hey, you're in Perot country. I'm really thinking that this guy might be good for us. I do too I've been, it seemed dangerous. I thought is the guy a closet fascist? And then I find out that he helped rid the United States of the gablers. He's, he's helped out in a lot of ways. Yeah, he's, he's from Dallas. Or he's in the Dallas area. Yeah. And, uh, he's very well known around here. So. Okay. Well, I'm in the computer biz too
so I know he's well known in the industry. Uh-huh. They, uh, I, I have high hopes for him. And I think that you know, if he could get people interested and encouraged and to believe that the government was actually for us, then I'm for him. Yeah. I, I. I mean in the Democratic primary, I'm going to vote for Brown just because I kind of like Brown and his attitude. But when, uh, when it really comes down in the fall, I think I know where it's going to go. Yeah. Yeah. I, I think he's got a very good chance. So, there's a lot of people here pulling for him. Uh-huh. So. I don't know Yeah We'll just see. How You know, did you, uh, you work in the, uh, computer business, is that what you said?
Yeah. I'm an end user. I teach people how to use MacIntoshes and how to buy equipment and desktop publishing magazine production and things related to that. Oh, okay. Uh, my husband works for, uh, Texas Instruments. Uh-huh. And, so, uh, that's how we found out about the Switchboard. Oh, yeah. Oh, that's their project too, isn't it? I found about it on the network. Okay Okay Carol. So, air quality. Yeah. Is it, like water running and she is doing I know in here, uh, downtown Dallas, it's, you, I mean you drive by and you can just, you can see it. Uh-huh. But, then again I originally was from California and, uh, there is a big difference between Texas and California. And, uh they'd have their smog alerts and where you'd have to stay indoors for so many hours with an air conditioner.
Surely. And, of course, they don't have that here in Texas so, there's ... You mean they don't have the, uh, the smog alerts? No, not in, not in well not in Dallas, that is. Right. I, I, yeah, I spent a summer in Tyler so I know, just east of Dallas there. Yeah. We're going there tomorrow. Oh, really Uh-huh We're packing and getting ready to go to . Yeah. Actually, I'm a California born person. Uh-huh. I was born in L A so I know what you're talking about. In L A, it's pretty bad. Yeah.
Oh, okay. Yeah, you do then. Uh, the worst city in the, in the world is actually, uh, Mexico City. Is it really? Yes. I would not imagine that. The worst one for smog is Mexico City. Huh. The most polluted city in the world Huh. You learn something every day. . Yeah. I know that they've, they're looking at, uh, uh, you know, uh, you know, better running automobiles. Uh-huh. Yeah, I've seen that. Uh, some things they do, one of them is they're using corn in fuel. Huh.
You ever heard of that? Huh-uh. Yeah. Methanol? Huh. No Yeah. Well that's big up here because of the, they grow a lot of corn Oh, yeah Yeah. Uh, that's one thing that they do. At that, it's pretty easy to do. Uh-huh. And the, uh, unfortunately, it still contributes to global warming cause, you have to, you know, wipe out forests to grow corn and things like that. Yeah, that's true. It doesn't make sense. Uh, but it's, you know, one of the most, uh, productive crop in the world is corn.
Right. Huh. And, of course, I doubt if there's any, you can buy regular anymore. You buy unleaded. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Huh. Drive cars with catalytic converters, and all that. It's interesting. They're, they're looking at, there's some work being done on, uh, automobiles that are electrical powered Uh-huh. And, uh, they're looking at where you have a battery operated car basically, but it has a, a engine in the back that charges it. Uh-huh. So the engine kicks on when the batteries need power and it turns off. Uh-huh.
Interesting thing about gas is when, I mean, about battery powered cars is when you're at a stop light, you're not using any any energy Huh That is good. Unlike a car where it's running. Yeah. A electric car it's on demand. I mean it's either on or off. Yeah. Basically. Huh. You don't have to shift So you, cars become very simple all of a sudden too. Oh. Very interesting. That would be nice. I think I saw that on T V one time. They, maybe it was C N N where they were demonstrating that. Or something similar to that. Yeah.
There's, there's a race in Australia with solar powered cars. Huh. And Ford and General Motors and all those compete. But what, I think that was a, a, a setback. That they, I don't know, they went, I don't know, how many miles an hour. I think like Right. Yeah I don't know. Huh. * See note above G M, uh, Chrysler announced that they're going to, they're, well they actually have an electric minivan. Yeah. Their, their Caravan. But it costs, uh, fifty thousand dollars right now. Yeah, and they're, they're very expensive too. . To operate, yeah.
But, you know, people are buying them. You know whose buying them? *"whose" = who's" The power company. Free, you know, free for them. Well, yeah. Yeah. Kind of interesting so see. Well, it doesn't make sense. Because if they want people to convert, you know. They should make it worthwhile. Uh-huh. Yeah It's top speed is something like eighty miles an hour. So it's a good, good vehicle. Yeah. Yeah. Um. Well I'll tell you. Sometimes it's, it's pretty bad here. Like today I think it was pretty bad. I don't know if it was, if it's just, uh, the allergies or what but some days it's very nice here downtown Uh-huh
and other days it's just really bad, so, I don't know. So what, what kinds of things did you experience in L A when you were there? Or can you remember? Were you there at a? Oh, I wasn't there too long ago. Uh. Cause I haven't been there probably ... Well, you know, going over the hills, you know, coming into the valley? Yeah. You can see that horrible, horrible brown haze. Well, we were there when they had a Uh, do you have a pet Randy? Uh, yeah, currently we have a poodle. A poodle, miniature or, uh, full size? Yeah, uh, it's, uh miniature. Uh-huh. Yeah. I read somewhere that, the poodles is one of the, the most intelligent dogs, uh, around.
Well, um, I wouldn't, uh, I definitely wouldn't dispute that, it, it's actually my wife's dog, uh, I, I became part owner six months ago when we got married, but, uh, it, uh, definitely responds to, uh, to authority and, I've had dogs in the past and, uh, it seems, it seems to, uh, respond real well, it, it she's, she's picked up a lot of things, uh, just, just by, uh, teaching by force, I guess is what I'd like to say. Oh, uh-huh. So, you, you've only known the dog, how long did you say. Well, about a year I guess. Oh, well, uh, is it, uh, uh, how old is the dog? It just turned two, I believe. Oh, it's still just a pup. Pretty much, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I have a, uh, well a mutt, myself. I call it a, uh, uh, Chowperd .
Okay. It's, uh, part Chow and part Shepherd and it, as I understand it, uh, both sides of the, were thoroughbreds. So, she's a genuine Chowperd . Oh, that sounds interesting. She has the, the color and the black tongue of a Chow, but, uh, she has the the shape of the, uh, uh, Shepherd. Oh, that's, that's neat. How, about how big then? Oh, she weighs in at about fifty pounds, so she's a medium size. Yeah, yeah. Most definitely. Yeah. and right from day one, she was teaching me. Oh, I wouldn't doubt it, yeah. She's the most intelligent dog I've ever seen.
Course, I'm a little prejudiced, of course. Well that's understandable, yeah, it's, uh, You know, the first time I brought her home, she was only, uh, was it six weeks old. And I spread the newspapers out in the kitchen area. Uh-huh. But, uh, next morning, she let me know in no uncertain terms that she wanted to use the bathroom. Okay. So, on next night, I spread the newspaper in the bathroom and she used them there. Oh. But it wasn't too long until she, uh, found out she could wait until I let her out in the morning. Yeah. And since then, I, I live alone, Okay. and, uh, I live in motor home, by the way, I'm, uh, an R V, full time R V and it's, it's such a pleasure to come home at night and you can see her smiling from ear to ear, she's so happy to see me.
Yeah, definitely. And, uh, I don't know if you get that kind of greeting or not. Yeah, I can honestly say we do, uh, we, uh, just recently put a security system in our house and so now, uh, in order to, uh, to accommodate the motion detectors we have to keep her, uh, uh, locked up in the, the master bedroom during the day and then she's got the, the bedroom and the bathroom to, for free run during the day but, we've always got, uh, got a nose and tongue pressed up against the window when we come walking up to the front door. Uh-huh. She's definitely ready to get out and run around. Really. Uh, she'd rather sleep outside on the, the cold ground at night. Oh wow. But, uh, I do make her come in. Yeah. And I feed her indoors, that's to lure her in, but during the day I have her on a, uh, on a leash, which is, uh, on sort of a run. Okay. I have a, a thirty foot cable, running from one stake to another, Okay.
and then attached to that is a, uh, twelve foot leash, Okay. so she can cover quite an area. Most definitely. And, uh, she's the best, uh, burglar alarm going. Yeah, yeah, yeah that's, uh, definite security involved in, uh, in a dog like that. Oh, yeah, she, uh, it's the strangest thing, though, uh, children, no matter how strange they are, or how new they might be can walk, uh, right up to her, Uh-huh. but adults, if they're strange to her, or, or they look suspicious or something, boy she acts like she wants to chew their leg off. Wow. And I have not discovered yet where the, the line is between children and adults. Yeah, that's interesting. But, uh, she is a great comfort to me. Yeah,
I know our dog has had, uh, some different reactions, she's never really been around children and, uh, if, if the child is, is pretty straight forward, um, she's fine. If, if a child is a little intimidated, she'll jump around and, and yip and bark quite a bit, and if the child gets scared, uh, she's still trying to play, but she doesn't completely understand what's going on and we've had a little confusion with, with, uh, with younger kids. Uh-huh. But, uh, you know, that's, it's a matter of exposure really. Um, we, uh, took her home to, uh, my family's place in South Dakota, and she was the one that was intimidated then. There was about seven kids ranging from about, uh, three years to ten years running around the house all at one time, you know come to visit Grandpa and Grandma Oh, uh-huh. and, the dog kind of, kind of felt out of place then because she was, she was being fed, and everything else from all directions. She really didn't know how to handle herself. You mean she didn't appreciate all that attention. She really did, she just, uh, she, she was she was just inundated with, with all the attention. Uh, she, she kind of, she kind of sat and it all in for a little while
and then she'd go get back in and try to play and, and what not, but, uh, it was, it was just such a, such a new experience for her. She's only been around one and, and sometimes two people at the most so, uh. Uh-huh. What's her name by the way? Uh, pardon? What, what do you call the dog? Oh, it's, uh, Mitzi. Mitzi. Yeah. Mine is Gin. Oh, okay. As in, uh, martini. Yeah. Actually, it's Gin two. I, I see. Because, uh, when I was a teenager, in high school, I had Gin one, but then when I went out in the world, I couldn't take her with me. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, I had, uh, a similar, uh, experience. I, I grew up on a farm so I always had, uh, outdoor pets and, uh, the dog I had when I moved to Dallas about five years ago was a, uh, Springer Spaniel, black Lab cross. Uh-huh. And he was a real, a real lovable type, but, uh, definitely not an apartment type animal Oh yeah. so he, uh, he had to stay home. Oh, what a shame. Yeah, yeah, it really was. He, uh, apparently had a tough time with it for a little while and then he, he got, he came to accept the fact that Mom and Dad were his company from then on, but, uh. Uh-huh, oh well. Yeah.
Well Randy, we've just about used up our time here, Okay. and I must say it was interesting. Most definitely. I enjoyed talking about pets with you. Well that's great. Maybe we'll get together again in the future. That sounds real good. Take care now. You too. Bye. All right, Amy, how are you doing today? Fine, fine. All right, I think we know what we're going to speak about. Yeah. Uh, I tell you what, I'll start off. How's that?
Okay, you go ahead. Um, I personally think to set a mark with the judicial system and we're talking about criminals, criminal cases that they should bring back hangings on weekends, in public places. Uh-huh. In public places. There is one state that does that, by the way. Really? What is that? I want to say Oklahoma, I saw something the other night about it. Um. They don't do them real often. Which is obviously the death penalty. Yeah. Yeah. Um, but I think if we quit, uh, building, these Taj Mahals with the color T V and sixty sixty thousand a year to keep an inmate in there on a, on a, on a life sentence, we should start hanging them and get it over with and let's just screwing up the system. Yeah. Well, the sentences are so unbelievable. I just saw on the news last night, that they said the average time a sentenced murderer, you know, is in jail is two years before he's paroled, and a rapists is like six months, and a burglar is like two months. That's pathetic.
That's pathetic. Because they just say there's either no room in the system, you know, in the jails for them or, you know, it's just that, it seems like the automatic sentences, if, if a judge has leeway, on what he's going to, you know, sentence someone for between, you know, two months and fifty years and, you know, what's his whim to decide it should be two months. This is true, You know, it's crazy. an, and the way the law reads, uh, if they sentence you to life in prison, then he's available for parole. If it's life and a day, then he's not eligible for parole. Yeah. So, what, you know, let's quit B S with the system. Well even if it's life, like you say, we end up spending sixty thousand dollars a year to keep some, you know, joker in there for life. We could spend that money, you know, for children that are starving, or twelve million other things would be more useful than that. Exactly. So to me if somebody has life, you know, beyond a reasonable doubt they should, that should be it. A life for a life. You know particularly for some of these really, I mean, there are so many just major, major serial murders, it's not just like one instance, or something, it's just, uh, horrifying, some of the murders that go on. The old Charles Manson case. I mean the guy is really, just shouldn't be allowed to, to even, even live.
Yeah, an, yeah, there's just everyday you hear on the news of another one like that. Yeah. Uh, about the issue about sentencing by the judge. Uh-huh. The, the judge presently has an opportunity to intervene, uh, when there's a, my understanding, when there's uh, a verdict and it for example there's a hung jury here in Fort Worth, today, in eight to four and bam, bam the guy got off. Uh, he was, he was a veterinarian, and killed two, a father and a son, okay. Right, yeah, I heard about that on the news. Uh, it kind of gets back to the second request, we've been asked to look at, is most criminal cases requiring an unanimous verdict. In a situation like that, I'd say no, let's just go like a regular vote. Eight to four tells me that there were eight,
there's a certain percentage of the people there, with sixty percent of the people, uh, seventy percent of the people said, hey, they guys guilty. Right. Rather than have to retrial the whole, whole thing and spend all the money for people to, uh, you know, go back to court and all the lawyers and, I mean it just winds up costing the taxpayers a, you know, a fortune to keep doing that. Exactly. And the victims, you know, the family of these people that have been murdered, they just have to have it dragged on for years and years before they ever get any resolution. Exactly, because it's not next day they have, the, start the trial, it's X number of months and just prolongs the situation that much more. Right, yeah, yeah. I think that, that if it's, if it's not a split decision, go with the highest number and let's just get on with the program. Yeah, yeah. But as far as the sentencing by the judge, I would have to vote against that since there is a jury, because that's what the juries are for is to make the decision. Yeah, yeah, Uh, what are your feelings? Well if I,
I saw on one of the talk shows this woman judge, I believe from Florida, and she just has, just really stiff penalties and I saw that in, in the hands of a judge that really was conscientious and really, you know, took the pains to give a sentence for what was deserved, it could, you could have a, a judge that would really make a good impact. But likewise, you could have the flip side, and have some judge that was paid off or, you know, had a good old boy network or for whatever reasons, you know, politics, just let all kinds of people through so, he, he would have a heck, or she would have a heck of a lot of power, you know, if used wrongly. So at least the jury system does something to prevent that, you know, or help it with it anyway. I don't know if it prevents it, but, seems like the jury system does have it's advantages. But I also, I've also heard on trials that sometimes they go through like three hundred jurors before they hand pick these jurors that they think are going to be the ones that are going to be the most lenient, you know, and I don't know how much they're getting just a jury of their peers, at that point, they're really getting a select group. It's not just random people. Um. It almost should be the first twelve people that they, you know, have on a list are the ones that are on the jury and that's it. Yeah, I get back to Price's comment when he, uh, was found guilty he said well he didn't have any blacks, uh, you know, from his neck of the woods. Well give me a break, you know. He'd have to have his whole family up there for him to feel like he's got his peers or something, yeah.
Exactly, yeah, yeah. I mean you're, you're in Dallas so everybody, I can't believe they can, uh, like in a murder situations, they look for juries who don't know anything about the system, well or know anything about the, the occurrence, you'd have to be pretty dense, Yeah. you'd be, you'd either have to be in a cave not to know what's going on, or moving it to Lubbock, or somewhere, possibly is not the answer. Yeah. Oh, they'd have to move it to Taiwan for people not to know about it practically. This is true, so true. Yeah, yeah. Well this has been an interesting conversation. Well, really, this is, breaks up my afternoon from changing diapers and mopping floors, I mean, what can I say. So, you're at the house you're not at the plant. No,
I'm at home with two little preschoolers. My husband works for T I. Oh, that's good, that's good. I thought I heard a holler there in the background, but I wasn't sure. Oh yeah, I've got the dog and two kids waiting here, I'm just locked up in the laundry room Oh goodness, well, I'll let you get, Okay, thanks a lot. Bye-bye. I enjoyed it. Bye. Okay, Ellen what kind of a car do you think you're going to buy? and background Well, as a matter of fact, I was thinking about that the other day, and, uh, I really don't know the answer,
uh, I would sort of like to, uh, think about something in the way of, uh, uh, sort of a sporty car but not any, not, you know, a luxury type sporty one. Yeah. But, um, something that still has a lots of amenities and, you know, gadgets and things. Oh, you do want a lot of that stuff? Yeah, well, yeah I like, I like some of those things. They come in really handy sounds in What kind of, uh, things are you going to consider, you know, what, uh, you said something about the, about the, well, what do you call them, you said amenities, that they have, Amenities. but what about, um, their reputation of the company or the price. Yeah, well, of course, I guess, uh, price is always the big consideration, but, It is for me, other people, don't seem to have the same problem yeah.
Well, that's, that's a big one in my book, Yeah. but, uh, um, I have preferences for, uh, for some, uh, makers over others, um, and I would sort of like to buy American, Yeah. but, you know, I'm not so totally hung up on that, that I wouldn't buy something else, how about you? Well, um, the last car we bought was American because of, because of that reason, but have not been entirely happy with, uh, several things about the car, it doesn't seem like the quality is quite as high as I expected it to be. Oh, really? Because several things, minor things sort of, but still they cost us money, um, that we didn't feel like we should have had to pay, on a car that, that was that new, you know, Uh-huh. we bought the car new and after, um, well, well, well under two years we had to replace the clutch. Oh. And, they just said, well, you know, clutches are disposable , and I said, since when?
Yeah. Brake pads are disposable , you know, Yeah. we know that, but I never thought a clutch was disposable. Yeah, I wouldn't have thought so either. Yeah, so that was, that was kind of a shock Oh. Yeah, I, I guess there's a lot to, to think about when you're trying to make that decision. Yeah, you know, the less actually, the less you spend on a car it seems like luxury cars, they're called luxury cars even though they're much more expensive like, like, uh, uh, a Mercedes Benz, they don't have the history of breaking down or things like that, that would go wrong would definitely not be considered disposable. Right. You would never think of having to replace the clutch in a Mercedes, especially not after two years. No but then,
No, but on the other hand, I guess, too, uh, whenever you do have to have some major work done on one of those it costs a fortune. Really? Oh I don't know. Yeah, I've, uh, worked with a couple of people who have owned, uh, various years, uh, Mercedes Uh-huh. and, even though they do a lot of the work themself then just buying the parts and everything is, is pretty expensive. But for them it's, it's sort of a hobby, too, to own them . Yeah. What kind of, what brand of car are you thinking about buying or like what things are you looking at? Well, I haven't really gotten that far with it, um, I've always sort of liked General Motors, a little bit better than some of the others Uh-huh. but, uh, oh, I guess, I really don't know. How come I've been kind of, um, I guess the commercials are getting to me, the Toyota commercials,
Yeah. and I know that a lot of people I've, I've known that have had Toyotas have been just extremely happy with them, that hardly had any problems at all. Yeah, that, I think that's, I think they have a really good, uh, quality. Uh-huh. My, uh, daughter has owned two different ones, and, uh, you know, we've had some work done on them but it's not too bad, and the reason, one of the reasons we, um, bought the first one was because a friend of ours had a Toyota that he just really drove for years and years and years and he lived way out in the country so he put a lot of miles on it, Uh-huh. and, you knew it had, had been through a whole lot, Uh-huh. and yet, you know, it, it held up pretty doggone good, so, I thought they would Yeah.
They seem to be really durable. Yeah. So, I don't know, I'm, I'm not ready to buy a new car yet, but I don't know, if, if the next time I'm going to try to, to stay with buying something American or if I'm going to go for a little more, what I would consider to be a long-term investment Yeah. Well, and I guess, you know, you always have to think about things like, your gas mileage and stuff like that, you know, you ... Oh, it's easy to get gas mileage in this car, Yeah it gets excellent gas mileage. Yeah, that's one of the big throwing cards for, some of the foreign ones like one music Uh-huh. Well, we talked long enough I think so. Okay, well, enjoyed it. All righty,
thanks and background Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay, well, go ahead, I'll let you start. Uh, I was thinking about whether or not we should have people, uh, be required to do public service for a year or two. Uh-huh. And I was thinking that you needed to put some waivers in there for the handicapped and also for people that had to stay home and maybe be wage earners for their family, or they had somebody at home that was ill that they had to tend to. I mean, you can't make it everybody. Right, yeah. But then you need to make it sure that the rich people can't buy somebody off and, and maybe send them in their places or get out of it some other way too. Uh-huh, or it could be like the draft where, you know, before they draft you, they uh, you get a physical anyway. So when they send you a draft notice and then they give you a physical and if there's nothing physically wrong with you, then you're drafted. It doesn't matter how rich you are. That would be good.
And then we could maybe give physicals to the rest of the family members, right. What did you say? Give physicals to the rest of the family members and they all had to pass. Oh, yeah. Uh. Uh, I thought it a good idea too, though would be to extend this and make people that are accepting public welfare have to do something along this line before they got any money. Uh-huh, that's true. And, uh, if they did this, maybe help them out in their college cost and maybe they could pay people for doing this, at least something, so they could subsist. Well that's true. America's paying all this money to have other people give, uh, aid to other countries, so they could be paying their own people and training their own people at the same time. Yeah. Because, actually, when you, when you do, uh, service overseas you end up learning something, usually that's, that's really useful, plumbing, or farming, or, or something like that, so you're really learning a skill Yeah,
and you know all these old people, they would get out of this right. All the ones that are already retired. So what we could do is take all the retired people that are going around in their big mobile homes and they could do public service all over the country. What did you say? Uh-huh. I'm just teasing Yeah, I, I, think, well that's probably the idea, I don't know whether the idea is to be within the country, or outside the country. Well I thought it would be a good idea if maybe you took some of the kids and had them go over to other countries and children from their countries came over to ours too, a trade off. Yeah, that would be neat, yeah sort of like an exchange program. Yeah. Uh-huh. And other than that, I can't think of any other ideas. Yeah, that'd be sort of neat.
I like the idea of, uh, being, uh, a mandatory thing for welfare. Course that's what, um, that's sort of like what Truman had, or was it Roosevelt, I can't remember, um, with the big, Oh with W P A. Yeah. Yeah. Getting people, uh, the, the work program and all the, all the make work jobs. That was sort of public service in a way all the highways they started building. And we're still using those things too. What did you say? We're still using those things. Yeah, that's true a lot of them are still out there. Like all these wonderful highways in West Virginia and no one knows why. They built lodges before too, like at Caddo Lake. Lake what?
Caddo Lake. Caddo Lake. It's between Texas and Louisiana, it crosses into both of them. No, I've never heard of it. Well, it's real pretty, it's like a swamp. Oh You know with all the Spanish moss on the trees, it's really, it's eerie. Oh okay, real pretty, like a swamp, oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, okay, yeah, I been, uh, I got, uh, talked to someone else before that was a, uh, a Texan, but I guess that's, uh, that's what we're going to have. This is, uh, a T I experiment to see how talk,
Texans talk to other people. I don't know, where are you from? Uh, Virginia. Virginia, oh, that's neat, I talked to somebody from Ohio the other night. Oh yeah, it is neat to get other people. Especially since you got other, uh, ideas about how people, uh, how people react to things and stuff. Especially when it comes to, um, social services. Uh, uh, I'm glad they have a lot of, uh, um, you know, topics on social services, because, like this thing, this is a pretty good idea. I didn't even know if they were thinking about it. I wonder if they thought about it themselves or whether someone, somewhere is really thinking, that, uh, it would be a good idea to have everybody spend some time in public service. There is somebody and I, , uh, I can't remember who it is but there's a really famous, of dang, I can't remember. Politicians pushing it, or, uh or Mitch Snider. Or Mitch Snider. That proposed it, I read something in PEOPLE about it.
Huh. Mitch Snider, I don't know who Mitch Snider is. Oh, okay, well see that's a D C thing. Mitch Snider is the, the advocate for the homeless that, uh, he, he's said it out here in Washington but he started the um, uh, the movement for creative nonviolence. Yeah. Yeah, he started that and that, that was basically a, you know, donate time and money to, uh, help the homeless, but, uh. uh, What have your other topics been? the other topic was, like I said, uh, something about politicians. I can't remember exactly what it was. It was real general statement I had one that I hated. It was what meal would you cook for, uh, uh special dinner Gee whiz yeah. How far can you go with that one,
right. Yeah. Another one, though, that was good was, uh, what do you think about the social changes for the last ten, twenty and thirty years and what do you think has caused some of the social problems. Uh-huh, that would be neat. I'd have to basically say my birth. *humor That's probably the best one. And we had to talk about air pollution too. What do you think is causing it and what should we do about it? Uh-huh. Well that would be sort of interesting because then you get people from other countries, I mean other parts of the state, you know, of course Pittsburgh, would say, you know, oh, find the better cheaper ways of burning coal, you know. Uh-huh, right. Cleaner ways of burning coal and people in the South would say don't burn coal, you know. Because we don't have much coal. Oh we have a lot of coal
In Virginia. But, uh, it's, uh, it's a dirty fuel, that's for sure. Yeah, well how did you get into this program. Excuse me. How did I get into it, oh, I'm an electrical engineer here in Virginia. For T I. No. No. Uh, no, they, I'm in a telecommunications company and they, uh, sent it out in our bulk mail so that if any engineers wanted to participate, you know. So does your company have something to do with T I. Um, not really, I mean no more than any other company, you know, we buy their parts just as much as anybody else. But, uh, no, no real association with T I other than being in the same industry, electronics industry. Huh, uh-huh.
They just, uh, they just sent out a letter to everybody they do business with saying, that you know, if you're interested we're doing a study and, and since, And do you know how much, how long this is supposed to go on. I don't know, no I don't. I don't either. I mean it says just keep on until and they'll notify you. At first I was thinking it was just a week because that's all it shows, you know, on the schedule but then it seems like it might be longer than a week. Right. So what do you think we're going to get? What do you think, what. What do you think we're going to get for this? Get. Money, prizes. Oh, I don't know.
Do you know anybody that's ever done this? Get your own, you're going to get you own T I seven thirty-two or something. I know T I gets prizes. Oh, I didn't hear about that. Probably for T I employees. I was led to believe that if you weren't T I that you get money. I'm not T I. Oh, your not, *typo your you're you don't work for Texas Instruments. Huh-uh. Oh, okay. Let's see, one of my friends had a roommate that worked for T I and she saw this on her computer and thought it might be neat, Oh. so she ran off copies of the thing. Oh. And I just signed up for it. Oh, oh, that's a neat idea. Yeah. Uh-huh,
yeah, well he's gotten a good mix. I was saying because I've, like I said, I heard some other people talking that they've talked to different people in different states and stuff. Uh-huh. That's good, especially since you call that one eight hundred number so, so probably knock T I profits margin way down. And it shouldn't be too good right now anyway, because they've been laying off so many people. Yeah right, this is probably some government study program. Yeah really, so we're footing the bill on our taxes. Okay. Okay, well I enjoyed talking with you. Okay, well thanks a bunch, we'll talk to you later,
bye. I'm going to save my two year old from the pile of grapes she's diving into. Well I'm going to try to clean up the house after my two children for about an hour see if we can walk around. Okay we'll I'll talk to you. Bye. Bye-bye. Okay. All right. Last thing I saw was, um, I think, uh, SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY with Julia Roberts. Oh, I hadn't seen that, but I've heard that it's real good. My husband didn't like it that much. I thought it was okay. It was a little strange, you know, this woman supposedly is, um, being mentally abused by her husband, you know, he keeps her pretty much terrorized to stay in the house, and she figures out this way to, um, to leave him secretly. You know, she fakes her death kind of thing and he tracks her down
Uh-huh. Oh So, the, the end scenes are, are kind of suspenseful, you know, when she realizes he's in the house, you know, after her, but, uh, kind of had the feeling along that, uh, why didn't she just tell him to straighten up. Yeah. You know, why didn't she just tell Hey look bucko, you don't get away with this nonsense Oh But anyhow, um, what have you seen? Well, last week, as a matter of fact, my children was on Spring Break Uh-huh. and we went to two movies. We went to see AWAKENINGS with Robin Williams. Um. Uh-huh. And we went to see KINDERGARTEN COP. Yeah. And I really liked both of them.
I really did. AWAKENING was, it was kind of sad to me. It really was, and it would, it would be to anyone because, you know, they really don't know that much about it. Uh-huh. So this is where the people have been kind of I don't a better word to say than like asleep or in a coma, for a long time. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And the drugs let them come back. Uh-huh. But the drugs didn't work for long, and they started having real bad side effects. Oh And this is about nineteen sixty-four, I believe, or something like that, and there still hasn't been any, you know, new development in prescribed drugs that can help it. Um. But, yeah, there, you know,
it, it was a big breakthrough, but in time, you know, the, all the side effects started showing. Well, how bad were the side effects? Bad. Oh. Yeah, yeah. They was actually went back like they were, you know, Oh Um. yeah. All it was, they wasn't mild, you know, they was just bad side effects. Um. But I really enjoyed it, though. Um. You know. Well how about KINDERGARTEN COP? Oh, yeah
That's strictly for entertainment That was just it was, You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger is getting to be, uh, a bit of a variety actor, you know. At first he was just a big muscle man. Yeah. But he's kind of branching out. He sure is. He is, as a matter of fact, um, Sylvester Stallone, is that his name? Uh-huh. I really believe Schwarzenegger is really going to be a variety player more so than he is, because he really played the part good. You know, he could be this rough, tough guy and then, you know, this substitute teacher. Um. It was really good. Well, there was a movie out, it's been on cable, I get cable, and there's this thing with, uh, Danny De Vito called TWINS. Oh, I've seen that.
Yes. I thought that was just great. It is, it is, isn't it? Yes, yes. I even like some, I mean, some of the original stuff, like I like THE TERMINATOR. At first, you know, it was kind of strange, Yeah. but I still like watching him in THE TERMINATOR. And, and some of the other things. Uh-huh. Um, TOTAL RECALL last year I thought was really good, last summer. Oh, yeah. Guess it didn't last too long at the box office, Yeah. but I thought it was pretty good. I did too, I really did. And,
I enjoy a lot of movies. Now as far as, let's say, heavy violence, I can't handle Um. I'm not into that, you know, I like RAMBO and all that. Um. I, that's just something I just don't want to watch. Yeah, yeah, and I, I have some, one person at work I know gets really into those goofy horror flicks Oh. and I just keep telling her, how can you do that? And I told her when she had her, her little girl. I said, now you better get out of the habit of watching those. You shouldn't be watching them with your little girl, and she says her little girl's into it now. Oh, my goodness.
And she she watches these really gross things you know, like, THE NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET, and, The, you know, that kind of, junk. Yeah. Oh, uh-huh. Yeah, uh-huh. Oh. I don't go for that at all. I guess I'm a little too scary for that. I remember when I was real little, I, we all went to some kind of scary movie, and it was like this big house had a basement, and there was all these weird things going on in the basement, you know, and I was scared to death of our house had a basement for years. Oh, uh-huh. You know, and I got a lot of really weird ideas, from that goofy movie. Yes, yes. Yes. You know, they tell you that kids can, you know, be impressed by all that stuff, and it's true.
It is, it really is, yes. I, I had a lot of things that I, I, nobody told me that it was all fake. I was just sitting there watching it, going a scared Oh, jeez yeah. Watching, yes, if a scared oh, I don't want to go home, yes, yes Oh, goodness. But I think a lot of kids, it's funny, get the same kind of fears, like there's somebody under the bed. Yes. Oh. Where do we get that from? Yes, I know, uh, I have two children.
I really try to watch what they watch, I really do, because my youngest one, he watches something, you might as well just plan on staying up all night, because you know He'll come in, Mama, I think the ghost is in the house, Mama, I hear it, don't you? They're eight and ten. So they're, you know, it's just a movie, you know, I try to say, it's just a movie, but no, Mama, I've seen it Oh, but I remember, I was with a friend of mine, had, uh, three kids, and the little boy must have been, oh, maybe about ten. And we rented CHARLOTTE'S WEB. Okay. Oh, uh-huh. And he just bawled at the end and just a crying uh, she's not going to die. Oh, Oh.
And we were trying to say, Kenny, it's okay, and he didn't want to listen to it. Oh. He just was beside himself, you know, this is supposed to be a nice children's movie, CHARLOTTE'S WEB. He just couldn't stand it that Charlotte was going to die at the end. Die, oh Oh It's funny how your little minds work, isn't it? Oh, yeah a crying She's so nice, she can't die Oh Oh, it was Oh, I guess that's why the actors and actresses make millions of dollars, people like us, you know Oh, Oh, goodness.
Well, well I've enjoyed talking to you. You too. And maybe we'll run across each other again. Yeah, this is kind of neat. I haven't ever initiated a call. I've just been called, you know, by the switchboard, and, uh, well, the first week, I think, a lot more people were doing it. But I normally get a call like every other day. Do you? Well, as far as, we could not call in last week. Um. You know, from where I'm at. We couldn't call in. Uh-huh. They said it would be up Friday, the, March the fifteenth before it was prepared. So I missed several days, because I was getting quite a few calls. Um. How weird. I don't know, and they, they do have a variety of topics.
My first one was the toughest, it was something like discuss pollution. Oh, uh-huh, oh. It was discuss air pollution, causes of it and cures. Yes. I was going, oh, well Oh. Well, my husband, sometimes, you know, he'll receive a call and he's at work, Uh-huh. and, if I, you know, if I know the topic I'll go ahead and accept it as mine, but the other day I got one about fishing and I thought, oh, my. I don't know a thing about fishing, so I'm not even going to try Because when they listened to that tape they would have really had a good time, believe me. Say, well, I know it takes a fishing pole and some bait, and some water Yeah,
but I'm really not for sure, though, if Well, I'll let you go, and we'll talk to you later. All right. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Here we go. Okay, um, have you ever been involved in any trials? I sure was. Two years ago I spent some Fourth of July to Labor Day on a jury that was, uh, a change of venue from Columbus, Ohio for aggravated, uh, murder and kidnapping. Wow. Yeah, it was quite a session that disrupted my whole summer, of course, five days a week, Sounds like it. but it was an absolutely fascinating experience. Oh, it sounds like it. I haven't had any actual real life experience but, uh, my father-in-law's been involved in, uh, several trials including, uh, a couple murders. And, uh, you know, talking to other people who have been there and so I don't have any real experience with trials
but I do, you know, I, I've, I took a little business law in, in college and, and I've, you know, try to keep abreast of things. Uh-huh. But, uh, I think that the, uh, trial by jury is, is a great idea at it's inception back two hundred years ago. Um, right now though it's, it's so difficult because there's so few courts to, to get anything really done as you know you spent, you know, a whole summer on one trial, Uh-huh. and it's just that I think they're just tieing up the, um, whole judicial process. *typo tying Um, there's a lot of things they could do to, uh, make things easier and, uh, you know, like, uh, the suggestion that, uh, maybe be, uh, a judge should be the one who decides on what the sentence should be rather than the jury. Uh-huh. Well, I think that there are many cases where, uh, the judges probably do make the decision rather than the jury. Our situation was somewhat different, uh, in view of the fact that, uh, we haven't, we were a landmark case, it was the first time in the state of Ohio that, um, D N A testing was entered as evidence. Uh-huh. And they were being, the judge was being especially careful that everything was done correctly so there couldn't be a, a mistrial of any kind. Uh-huh. Uh, the, um, uh, the interesting thing was the tremendous selection of jury process, uh, that we experienced.
That took one full week, uh, to get forty-three people qualified to sit on the jury. And then it was a matter of the selection of, uh, twelve people after that. Actually it was fourteen because we had two alternates. Jeez. And the judge was extremely concerned for our welfare, if we were well, if we were comfortable, and, uh, things of that nature which made us feel good. Uh-huh. Uh, and we were sequestered but the makeup of the jury, uh, was truly a cross section of, uh, you might say a cross section of a country. Uh-huh. There was one other person besides myself, we were the only ones that had ever been to college. Um, one was a former student of mine a few years before who was out of work. Uh, Gee. two others were ones who had never finished high school and were out looking for jobs, yet. Um, a couple of them were housewives who had never worked, and then some are people who did work. So, we had quite a cross section of black, white and women and men. Uh-huh. And, uh, it, uh, it was interesting just to listen to the rationale, uh, being proposed and the logic of some of the people, uh, it was also extremely difficult to stay awake sometimes because there was so many witnesses,
and we were not allowed to take any notes of any kind. Uh, and I thought that that was a failing because, uh, from the standpoint that it was difficult to try to remember everything, Yeah. and, and yet the judge said, well, um, if you're taking notes you're missing something, and he was right, there also. Yeah. But, uh, I certainly, um, have that rather than trial by jury. Uh-huh. Yes, yes I agree. Uh, would surprise me that, uh, when I was in Texas I had the, uh, displeasure of getting a, uh, traffic ticket. Uh-huh. And, um, I went to court and you can even get a trial by jury for a traffic ticket. You're kidding. No. And I thought, my God talk about tieing up things for, for, *typo tying Yes,
and money. Yes, I mean that's extremely expensive. I mean, the first thing you had to do when you came before the judge was waive your right to a jury trial. I'm like God , this is ridiculous Yeah. Yeah, I do think that, that, uh, I do think the jury system works but I'd, I also feel, as you said, that the original concept of the jury as it was originally setup, uh, back, uh, in a hundred years ago was fine but that it needs to be more refined for today's standard of living and the, the, uh, level of education of them, of so many people now, uh, Uh-huh. by the same token we had, um, uh, some people who wanted had vacations planned and one man in particular had reservations made, plane tickets made, everything, and the judge called and had it all canceled so he could get his money back and then he wasn't selected on the jury. Oh, my God. And then another young fellow had to meet with the judge and the prosecutor and the defense attorneys on three different occasions before he was finally excused from the jury because his wife was about to have twins. And they had, he had to go through all of that if in three days to get excused from that jury, to be with his wife on the birth of the twins. And, uh, you know, some of it just seemed rather extreme. Yes.
I, I think they can probably come up with some ways to insure that, uh, you know, people would get a fair trial, and not have to go through this process. Yes. Right. I mean, some things are just so cut and dry. Um, in the, in, you know, the, the level of evidence that they come up with now, I mean, you know, when you start thinking about well, they've got video tape and, and audio tapes and they've, they've got, you know, they've got ways to nail people to the point where they, they really shouldn't even be going to trial. Uh-huh. Right, well, I guess he'd have to be careful whether, with entrapment or some of those things, Yes. but, uh, I don't, I assume you have seen on television recently, as probably the whole country has, the beating of the man in Los Angeles. Oh, that was horrible. Isn't that terrible? And, uh, you know, and that certainly, uh, cannot be said to be, uh, something that happens everywhere, That it , but the fact that it can happen, that it probably does happen in many places, it's, it's horrendous and it's just a stroke of luck, that someone was able to get it on tape and then, uh, to listen to the tape recording, uh, at the police station of the whole conversation afterwards. Yeah. Yes,
I know. I mean, I only heard portions of that but it's absolutely, terrible. Yeah. And, you know, if you beat a dog like that, they'll put you, in jail, you know. Absolutely. Well, we get a few other case, uh, like up at the end of last year where one police officer, it was on a drug raid, uh, was trying to extra, extricate, um, a confession or information from a drug dealer and did so by placing a hot, a hot iron on his chest, his bare chest, burned him. Jeez. They wound up paying him, uh, the officer, of course, was fired, but they paid the defendant, uh, three hundred thousand dollars or something to drop the lawsuit, and then last week someone shot and killed the former policeman. Huh. So, uh, as some of those things, uh, are absolutely horrendous and we do need an an overhaul and we just need more discipline country wide. Yes, I, I believe that too. It would ,
then we'd need it on that, yeah. Well, it's been very nice talking with you. Well, it's been nice talking with you. Yes, and, uh, good luck on, on calls. Okay, thank you, you do the same. Uh-huh. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Well, I was just looking around my house and thinking about the painting that I've done. Uh-huh. And the last time that, um, we tackled it, I did the kitchen. And I had gone through a period of depression at one time and painted everything a dark, it was called a sassafras, it was kind of an orangish brown. Okay. It was not real pretty.
Yeah. Anyway, so the kitchen was one of the rooms that got hit with that color. Uh-huh, I see. So I tried to cover it with white, and it was quite a, a feat getting that dark a color covered, and then just the hassles getting around the cabinets, and know if I look underneath my cabinets, I'm not satisfied with the jobs I, I did on it because there're splotches. Yeah. But, I'm glad it's done, because it's brighter. Yeah, yeah, that's for sure. Well, we, uh, I just got married about six months ago, and we bought a house at the same time. So we're, I'm sitting here in my forty year old house, and we're about halfway through the painting process Oh, lord. So, uh, the only, uh,
I guess the, the big discussion, just kind of what you were mentioning, has been the color. We ended up with our, our living and dining room are now, uh, kind of a, a light peach color with, uh, and it's got all the old, original hardwood trim and stuff, so we've got the trim in kind of, uh, kind of an off-white. And this is really the first, uh, interior painting project that I've attacked. And, it's, it's been, uh, it's been something else, to say the least. We, we had the same type of situation. Uh, the walls were, uh, uh, well, they weren't, the color difference wasn't so bad, but, uh, there was semigloss underneath Uh-huh. and we put a flat over the top, and everywhere you'd miss there'd be this little bright spot you could see It seems like you could see it through about three layers of paint. Oh yeah. Every time the sun would come up in the morning I'd see another spot and have to drag out the paint can. But, uh, we've learned. We, we, uh, we worked, we've worked our way back into the hallway, and, and we're in the middle of the bathroom now.
But, uh, it's, it's been quite an adventure. The other, the other thing that makes it, uh, a little more difficult, we've got all hardwood floors, and, uh, we, we've learned to be a little more careful about covering up the floors since the, since the first time we spent a lot of time on the floor with a tooth, toothbrush and what not cleaning up. So what are you going to get it off with if you get it on and it's dried? Well, it's, it's not too bad. It, it, uh, the floors are finished with a polyurethane, Uh-huh. and it's really not to bad to get off, *typo to too it, it, we're just using latex, and it's not too bad to get it off once it's dried even. It, it, it, uh, comes off with like a mild abrasive pad, like a scotch-brite pad or something like that and and soap and water. So, we got pretty lucky on that. And it's not scratching your floor, because it's so thick. No, not really. Oh, that's pretty good. But.
We painted every room in this house, some of them like two, three times. We have two children. Okay, yeah. And, they just, they ruin, it's just terrible what they do. Yeah. And then I have been coloring my hair, and I'm real haphazard when I do it. So I've got dye on my bathroom door. Oh, gosh. And I haven't figured out how to get that off. I guess I'll have to take that door down and really get it good. Yeah, yeah, probably so. And then we have a two story. Okay. We did the outside of it one summer.
Yeah. That was horrendous. I mean, I, I couldn't stand the back side going up that high on the ladder. I could get up on the roof and do that. Yeah. But, I dread that the next time. Yeah, I, uh, Yeah, we, uh, our house was painted as part of the purchase contract, so we didn't have to mess with that this time. But I've, I, I grew up on a farm, so I, I've, I've messed with outdoor painting a little bit, uh, but most of that, it was done with a sprayer and, uh, up in the bucket of a loader tractor, or something like that, so, it took a lot of the hassle out. And then they're, Uh-huh. we're not, you know, you're not nearly as concerned with a barn or a grainery, or something like that as you would be with your own house. No, I wouldn't think so
Have you guys tackled your ceilings yet? Uh, a little bit, yeah, yeah. Oh, we got to do that this summer. We're dreading it. Yeah It's like, they're dark. Yeah. Everything else is white. Oh, gosh, yeah. Just, just the opposite of what everybody's, uh, working towards now. Now have you thought about this? That wherever you buy your paint, you need to make sure that that store's not likely to go out of business. Yeah, yeah, absolutely Yeah, we, uh, we stocked up the first time around. But we've definitely got all the formulas on file,
and, uh, we're, they'll be there for a while. We're, we're pretty comfortable with that. But, yeah, it, it, I'm, I'm real nervous every time I, I open a new can. I'm wondering if I shouldn't buy about twenty gallons at one time and keep it all in a, in a washtub or something somewhere because I'm I'm always afraid that the next coat is not going to match. Uh-huh. But, uh. It's gone pretty well. It just, it, it, takes, it takes some time. My problem is, while I, I'm not overly proud of it, but I'm a self-proclaimed, proclaimed perfectionist, and it, it takes me a long time to do trim and things like that. And I'll find, I'll find something as I'm going along, something not related, like, like, uh, I've gone about changing out all the outlets and switches because, they, they really didn't match. They were, a few of them were broken and things like that. So, I always pick up these little extra tasks as I'm doing this, and, and the painting actually takes probably, uh, a fourth of the time,
and I'm always doing all this other stuff, and my wife's hollering at me and wondering what else I've come home with from work this time to, to put in, a ceiling fan or something strange like that. So uh, it, it, it always, it, it, it gets you to look at everything real hard when you start putting a coat of paint on everything, you start to notice where all the dents and scratches and things are everywhere. Oh, but I still feel good, the minute I put that paint on, even if it does got a dent in it Yeah. I do. Yeah, it sure makes a difference. Oh, what else can I tell you about painting? Oh, and I get it all in my hair, too. Do you do that? Yeah. Spots in it. Yeah, it's, it's been, uh, we, we bought this house with the idea that we were going to spend, you know, spend a lot of time working on it, and, uh, it was part, you know, part of the excitement was, was getting a good deal on an older house that just, it really hadn't been taken care of very well.
It, it was actually, it was rented out for a couple of years and things like that. So, we uh, we ended up getting a fairly good deal on it. But, uh, there just isn't enough time, I, I, I find myself going to work knowing that, that there's a job about half done at home, and I really, if I would, if I'd just stay home and finish it, I'd feel a lot better, but, uh, I'm, I'm starting to learn that there's always something else. Once you get done, you can always start over and, and you make up all kinds of excuses. Are you having to repair the walls at all? It, they're, they're in pretty good condition, um, as far as, uh, major repairs. You know, a lot of little filling holes and nicks and things like that, but, uh, the only, the most major things have been, uh, oh, I guess I, I moved a couple of outlets, and, er, uh, switches I should say. For some reason, they put a bathroom light switch in the hallway and, uh Um, that's smart. yeah, and I, I didn't like that very well,
so I, I moved that, but, uh, most of it, most of it's in pretty good shape. So where do you live? Uh, live in Dallas. I'm in Garland. Okay, okay. Did you try to call this weekend? Uh. To that switchboard, did you keep getting that it was down? No, no, I haven't, uh, I hadn't tried. You didn't? In fact, we were, we were planting flowers this weekend So, uh, I was pretty tied up, but. Yeah,
well, I've never tried any other kinds of painting besides on a surface like the house like to paint a picture or anything. Uh-huh. I don't know, I can't think of anything else to say about painting. Yeah, that, uh. It hurts your back, and it hurts your arm. Yeah, you know it I get a I get a sore neck from looking up all the time, yeah, things like that Yeah. but, uh, no, that pretty much covers my experiences. But you're glad you're doing it, right? Oh yeah, most definitely. It, it just, it makes such a difference.
I, like I say, the overall appearance of this house is what really devalued it so much. Uh, I, you know, I, I don't want to put a price on it, but I just feel like we're, every, every gallon of paint adds a tremendous amount of value to the house. You know, every time I do something, aside from that it just makes me feel a whole lot better to come home, an you know, the walls are clean, and they match, and all those kinds of things. Uh-huh. Do you have one of those straightedge things to put underneath when you're doing the baseboards? Yeah, yeah, we do. It, uh, it sometimes works and it sometimes doesn't. It's a, uh, when I start doing trim, I, I've gotten to where I, I tend to freehand it because there's so many layers of paint on this house after forty years that, uh, it, it's so hard to tell where an edge is anymore, and uh. On your baseboards? Yeah, yeah, they
You don't have any carpet down in your house? No there's no carpet in the house right now. See, we've got carpet, and, I haven't figured out how you're supposed to paint it, on down, so that you won't see where you stopped off and still not get it on the carpet. Um, Because every time you move that edger then it gets the carpet into it. Well, you know, um. You can't hold it there until it's dried. Yeah, I, I've I've seen, uh, they're, they make some plastic edging stuff that comes in like three foot lengths. And, you can, uh, you can tape them together and, and, and put ... What do you think about, uh, the way the criminal justice system handles trials? Well, you know, they tell you that you get tried by a jury of your peers Yeah. but, you know, it's pretty hard to try, let's say, the man down the street that's living on Social Security or somebody that's on a limited income to be tried by a jury of his peers if most of the people, like the juries that I've served on, are businessmen. Uh-huh.
Okay now they don't understand that, you know, maybe he needed fifty dollars so he held up the seven eleven. *Seven Eleven Yeah. Okay they don't understand that because they have fifty dollars, all the time, so, you know, I think that it, a trial by your peers should be exactly that, someone in your own age bracket, someone that, you know, you can't really do it ethnically, you know, but you could do it, you could probably get it a little closer. Yeah. But then there's another thing that I disagree with in Texas is sometimes you have a jury of six and sometimes you have a jury of twelve. Yeah. And I don't know why they do that. Do you have any reason, do you know of any reason why they do that? Well, I think the six is called a Grand Jury and that's mostly to decide whether or not the person's actually going to stand trial. Okay, see
Whether they're acquitted or whether they're actually going to be accused of, you know, and held over for trial. Okay I don't know much about the Grand Jury. How do you feel about the, in Texas I noticed since I've been here, in twelve years that they, they break up the, the trial and then the sentencing part of the trial. Yeah, I don't know. I, I think that, uh, I know that judges aren't supposed to be crooked. However, Well, we know there's a few out there. Yeah. It seems like if you break the sentencing away from the jury and give it, you give it to one person you're letting there be a whole lot more of an opportunity for something to either go wrong or for, you know, if, if, if the judge is not of high moral standards he could be bought off, much easier than twelve people could. Uh-huh. Yeah it's, Yeah, would be pretty hard.
Well I don't think, you know, I don't think that, if I was the criminal, that I would like the judge passing sentence on me. If the jury found me guilty, then they should be able to decide at the same time what my punishment should be. And I think it's, not only that, it's a waste of our money. We have to have a trial for this person, then two weeks down the road we have to excuse me, set a sentencing date so now we're back in court again Uh-huh. and that's more money spent. It's not so much that I, that, I haven't seen a lot of really bad sentences passed either by trials or by judges. What bothers me is that, uh, they really don't mean anything. No. Someone could be sentenced to thirty-five years and yet, you know, the, the parole system, it's going to let them out in, in three years for good behavior. And it's not working either. No, it's not. It seems that we have more and more repeat offenders. Uh-huh. I know, I don't know how you all are there where you're at, but where we're at, now our jails are overcrowded.
We just built a brand new one two years ago. Oh, I think they're all overcrowded. And it's overcrowded. They've, uh, So now they start turning them loose. I think I heard Fort Worth that, uh, they've been ordered to do something because their jail is so overcrowded. They're not allowed to accept any new inmates. Now what are they supposed to do? They turn them loose. Well, no, I mean, they're not allowed to accept any new inmates. Yeah. So what are they supposed to do with people that they need to put in jail? You know. Well, the way, it seems the way it's been working here's, There, yeah, Go ahead. * LISTEN are utterances 1 and 2 really from the same speaker? It seems the way it's been working here is they let those out that have spent two or three years out of their five to twenty sentence, or five to life. Uh-huh. Something that is working
and I, I really like the system of house arrest where a, a, someone's wear, someone wears a bracelet like a ankle bracelet that's a monitor, Yeah that, Yeah, and they, They keep, and they are not allowed, I mean, some of them are even allowed to work, they can go to their regular job, they come home, they have to be home by such and such a time, they're instructed, uh, so that, this, this electronic monitor is turned on at, at a certain time Yeah. and it connects them up to a system where they know their whereabouts. All right. And, uh, they can put a, they usually install a video monitor in the house and when the parole officer calls to check on them, they're instructed to turn it on and stand in front of it. So that they can see that this person is actually at home in their house doing what they're supposed to be doing All right. and that's working rather well. That's a good system.
That allows people, to actually continue to be productive members of society while they're, you know, paying back for whatever crime they've committed. Yeah, instead of being completely penned up. And that way it would give, you know, the probation department and parole department, they've got to be overloaded with as many criminals as we have here in, in Lubbock. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that would give, you know, at least they don't have to drive all over town trying to find one guy, or trying to see six or seven people. Uh-huh. I, I've really, I could go on for hours about the criminal justice system and what I think we ought to do about it. But, Something that I really don't understand is when someone goes to jail and they have a job in jail and they work, that they should, Sometimes it's pretty messed up, isn't it. Uh-huh. I, and this may sound cruel, but I do not think that they should be allowed cigarettes. I mean they're in jail for crying out loud.
Yeah. What do they need cigarettes for? Well, see and there's another thing about the justice system that I don't like and there's a lot of people that tell me that, that maybe my thoughts are wrong. I came from California Uh-huh. and when you're in jail, they take you out just like they do in Alabama or anywhere else, what they call a chain gang. Uh-huh. And they clean the city parks. Oh, I think that's a wonderful idea. And they clean the city streets. But you know, we have criminals in jail that do nothing but sit on their duff all day and here it costs us seventeen to eighteen thousand dollars a year to support a prisoner, More than that. and I know, yeah, More than that. but I know families myself that have three and four children in Lubbock that don't make that much. I know.
And they're not, you know, they're not doing anything to support themselves, while they're there. The thing that, the thing that gets me is that while we're supporting them, they're working. Yeah. When they get out of jail they get handed all that money. Yeah. That really ticks me off. I think that while they are in jail and they are working, their wages should go, Yeah. like, I don't know, they could, some percentage, like eighty-five percent of their wages should go toward their room and board figured on a whatever basis how much it costs to actually support them for a year. Yeah, well, Uh-huh. See now . And when they get out they should have a, I don't know, you know, some reasonable amount of money to start, like a couple of thousand dollars, Yeah. but there should be a limit over which they, that it all goes back to the State. Anything that they've earned while they're in prison should go back to the State except for that, you know, there needs to be some allowance for when someone gets out that they have some money to start with. Yeah, but at least they would, at least that way they would be helping pay for their own.
Exactly, absolutely. And something else that I would, And something else that I would like to see is, is, uh, victim reimbursement, you know, because they, you know, like you say these guys are in jail That's the part that I really think we need to change. and they're working, they're getting paid, but the guy that they messed over to get there or they stole something from, or beat to death or, Has nothing, right. has nothing, you know. Our, our victims are victimized, period, and the law has no, no, uh, regulations to deal with that. Absolutely. They, they know how to deal with the penal system and they know how to deal with the criminal, but they don't know how to deal with the victim because we as citizens, I guess haven't laid anything up there for them to deal with on that aspect. Yeah. But it's, but I sure don't,
I, I strongly disagree with any judge passing sentence on a person himself. Uh-huh. There that, I think it works much better if it's, if it's the actual jury. Yeah, because, well, see the jury is dealing with the seriousness of the crime, Uh-huh. the jury gets to see the whole trial, as does the judge, but you know, if, if they figure there's maybe litigating circumstances, or something like that whereas maybe the judge does, just doesn't care, you committed this crime so I'm just going to throw the book at you. Uh-huh. Whereas the jury may have a little, shall we say, sympathy, you know, he did this, but, you know, why did he do this, Yeah, in some, cases it would work that way. is there, is there a basis for it. In some cases it would work the other way. Yeah, in some cases where the judge says okay, I'll give you, you know, two to three years
and, The jury would, would, slam them and, and I think that, that the jury probably has more of a right to sentence than the judge all the time. Yeah. Well, they have a stronger debate, too, because there's twelve people there. They have to decide whether or not he's guilty and then they can sit in at the same time and decide what his punishment would be, Uh-huh. and you'd have more than one person's input on it. Yeah. I think that's probably a much fairer way. And, you know, we're supposed to be, and I quote, in a democratic society. So, you know, if you can find me guilty, then you ought to be able to pass sentence. Yeah. And a lot of jurors, not that I know of, but, you know, a lot of jurors may just sit there and say, yeah, he's guilty, but I don't have to deal with it from here, you know, so the judge takes care of all of that. Yeah.
It might be more, it would be more work for the jury, but it would be a more responsible way to deal with it. Yeah it would, yeah, serving on the jury would be definitely more you'd have to be a definitely more responsible person. The thing that I, I don't really like, I, I don't know, if, uh, a lot of jury selection processes that I've seen have been a, Okay. Hi. Hi. Okay. You want to start? Um, yeah. Sure. Um, I think, I think we should have a balanced budget even if it means that services are dramatically cut back. If you can't pay for it, you shouldn't have it. Period. And,
That is very true. That's just. However, our whole economy is based on loans. Uh-huh. Uh, uh, but, bet right this moment, you probably have several loans out or you have borrowed money against your credit card or something Well, Master Charge. I don't have a Master Charge, thank you But, see our whole system is built on owing not borrowing. Right. But, that's the problem, see. Our system shouldn't be based on owing and borrowing and all that. Uh, true. But, uh, uh, without it, people wouldn't be able to own automobiles or they wouldn't be able to own a house. Yes, they would. They just wouldn't be able to own the kind of automobiles that they think they deserve to own. Or the kind of homes that we think we deserve to own.
We might have to, you know, just be able to, I think, if we, a generation went without debt, then the next generation, like, if, if our, our generation, my husband and I, we're twenty-eight, if we lived our lives and didn't become, you know, indebted, like you know, our generation before us, that, um, the budget would balance. And that we became accustomed to living with what we could afford, which we wouldn't be destitute, I mean, we wouldn't be living on the street, by any means. But just compared to how spoiled we are, we would be in our own minds, but I feel like the generation after us would, oh, man, it would be so good. It would be so much better. It wouldn't be perfect, but then, they could learn to live with what they could afford to save to buy. And if you want a nicer car than that, well, you save a little longer. Well, now I agree, uh I agree with you one hundred percent. Uh-huh. I'm just taking the other side so we'll have a discussion here. Uh, but I still go to right back to what I said. When is the time you had fifteen thousand dollars all at one time to go out and buy an automobile? But, see, we made poor choices in college. We took out two, both of us had twenty thousand dollars in loans, for student loans

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