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You know, just going for it, they take it quickly. Uh-huh. And, uh, they don't think anything of that. And I don't, you know, that's makes people resentful too. And so, And yet they have, they have a right to be here Sure, sure. and I know that. Uh-huh. But it's, it sometimes it's gets touchy. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So, and I'm sure it's a lot different, you're from Maryland, You said? Yes, What part of Maryland are you from? Up in the Gaithersburg area. Oh, okay. My sister used to live there, in that area.
Uh-huh. And I, I'm sure that it's a lot different there. Uh, it's a lot different in than, in Iowa than it is here. Well, no. Is that right? And with the same, you know, some of the, some of the same problems that you've mentioned. But, uh, I don't know, I guess I wasn't involved enough to, to, uh, really stop to think about it. Uh-huh. Well, I, you know, since I teach, I see see it. And, and I feel and I love the example that most of these children give the, our American children. And yet, you know, I can see why some of the parents are that are fearful too. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And, and it's a kind of a touchy situation. Uh-huh. And I wish that we could all just learn from each other and not feel threatened. But it doesn't happen that way all the time. Exactly,
exactly. Right, right. So anyway, Well, it was good talking to you. It was good to talk to, to you too. And I And have a good trip in California. Okay. And have a good weekend. All right. Well thank you. all righty, Bye-bye. Bye-bye Okay, do you have any, uh, ideas on universal health insurance? Do you have any strong opinions? Yeah, I think it's probably a good ideal,
You do? uh, I think, given, uh, given, well given that there are so many people who don't have health insurance. It's probably a real smart thing, at least to have some basic coverage for everyone. Uh-huh. I mean, you hear these horror stories of people, homeless people going to the hospital and, and being thrown out because they have no insurance, and having to go to someplace else. Yeah. Right. You know, it would be nice if, no matter where you are, or who you are, what happened, you know, what happened to you, you just go to the hospital and they say, Okay, just, just take him, and we will worry about who he is later Yeah. Yeah, I feel like there should be some kind of coverage made, but I, I'm really leery of a, kind of a government administrative health insurance or medical plan, because I just feel like everything that the government takes over is just going to be run much poorly and it is going to be about six times more expensive. Yeah, I know, that, that's certainly true. But, I wonder about like, like in Canada. Uh-huh. In Canada, where everybody, uh, everybody automatically has insurance in Canada. Right, and they have that in England too,
but I think that it's a pretty poor, they get a lot lower quality care than we do. Now, I know some people don't agree with me, but, uh, I know you have to wait real long time to get, for certain surgeries that aren't emergency, and you don't have the kind of choices that we have here, Yeah. And, uh, I've worked a lot in doctor's offices and hospitals and I really don't want to give up having those choices. That's true. That's, that's true. I think, I mean, there is a night and day difference between good doctors and bad doctors, and good hospitals and bad hospitals. That's true, that's true. And in England, at least at the time when I was familiar with it, about ten years ago, they just told you what day you had to show up and where you had to show up and who your doctor was going to be. Oh, you so didn't get any choices at all? No, no. I mean that.
Oh, that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah, because I know, I know even among, even now, the way we have it now, there are still. It's getting worse, isn't it? Yeah, I mean like we have, an H M O allows us to pick our own physicians. Yeah. Right, right. I mean I picked a primary care physician and just didn't like him, you know. Uh-huh. I had to switch because I just thought he was a quack. Right. That's exactly the problem, there's just so many, such variation and it's, but see, I guess, what they had in England, and I guess in Canada is socialized medicine.
So maybe, that's like the extreme of it. Do you think? Yeah, yeah, that is the extreme, and what that, what that I think that tends to do though is I think that tends to, it probably has two, a good and a bad side, for young people wanting to become doctors. Which again a lot of people who are motivated, because the money isn't, I guess, as much, for doctors anymore, Uh-huh. Right. Right. so you wind, you wind up getting the people who really want to be doctors, being doctors, Really want to. but then again, you know, you don't get those people who would be good, and are real smart and decided, Hey, I want to make a lot of money, Right. so I will go into medicine. You don't get those. Right, or that, yeah, exactly,
or people also get the feeling that, well jeez, you know, you don't have to worry about, you have a lot of job security there, and it's more of, uh, seniority, I would imagine kind of thing, instead of having a skill or, or whatever to advance, Yeah. That's true. so you don't necessarily get the kind of quality control or the kind of, I don't know. Yeah, it would be nice to see something where at least, I think we have to have something. We really do. I mean, even something that says you know look, free major medical for all, you know, everyone and then, beyond that, you could work out on your own if you want. Yeah. Yeah, I know, I, I don't know, I, having worked in doctor's offices and stuff I see it from a physician's point of view. And I, I think the problem with the skyrocketing cost right now is the insurance companies because, I don't see doctors getting real rich, Uh-huh.
Oh, yeah. and I think hospitals do make money, but not nearly as much as insurance companies. Oh, right. No. I think they are really making a killing and nobody is talking about it. Nobody's, Yeah, they are the ones who make, I mean they are the ones, they have, you know, the although, I mean, it's the unfortunate part of that is that the people, I think, tend to forget that doctors are humans as well. Uh-huh. So that insurance companies have to charge a substantial amount for certain people, or certain types of, of doctors, given that, you know, someone decides to have a malpractice suit against them, well, they could take, you know, it could be millions, I mean, unfortunately. Right. And if the doctor, whether, it was, you know, I mean I'm sure there are those cases where, where the doctor is wrong or malicious or something. Right, right.
But you know their, you know. Mistakes, you know. Their mistakes are made. Right. Everybody makes mistakes, unfortunately. Sure. It shouldn't be a billion dollar, you know, industry. Yeah. and this is, this is their compensation. Not, So, yeah, I think that's the legal part of it coming into it to. Yeah, that is a big problem. I wonder if we should have a limit on how much people can sue for. That would be nice. Or, or, I don't know because then that's where the insurance company, Uh-huh. It would be a lot better. Yeah, Yeah.
I mean I'm sort of in a, in a government run medicine program. Sort of. I'm in a, Are you? Well, well I'm a graduate student. Okay. And, uh. At where? Oh, okay. Uh-huh. I'll bet you are in Texas. I what? I'm in Texas yeah, yeah. I was going to bet that, okay. Uh, yeah, Uh-huh.
Oh, great. Yeah. And because the university, the university offers me two plans. They offer what they call the mandatory version, which is basically major medical Oh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Okay. And, they don't, and even though my, my wife's insurance covers me, for everything, I still have to pay them a hundred and some odd dollars a semester. Yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, no. And that's for the mandatory portion of the insurance. That, that, that can't be legal. Yeah, I'm not actually sure if it is or not but, people sort of keep fighting it and I'm, and I mean to keep fighting it,
Oh, my gosh. but you know, it's just one of these things where I just don't want to spend my time. How can they, how can they make you pay for insurance coverage? Well, the reason, their rational is, is they make everyone pay for it so that it, it keeps the cost of university health services down, and everyone can use it. You know it. How, how does it keep the cost down? Because everyone is now forced to pay for this. And there is like an, Oh, so they just use the money for something else besides your insurance policy? Well, no, well, yeah, well what they use it no, what they use it for is, is, is university health services. We have a, we have a hospital here, and a subportion of the hospital. So you're subsidizing the hospital. Right obviously, we're paying for the welfare state.
Now, as it turns out, as it turns out, uh, my wife and I have chosen to use the university as, health services as our primary care facility. Uh-huh. We can do that. Oh, good. So, in, in, but in effect, I'm paying twice for one service. So, You are, you are I know. And see that's the thing, that is the thing, now that I'm in my thirties now, and I have three kids and I mean, I'm very liberal. I'm extremely liberal, and, uh, I, but now I just in the last couple of years. I have gotten to the point where I am saying I just cannot afford to pay anymore, to help people out. Uh-huh. I, I want to keep helping people out but I need for the government or the agencies, to find a way to do it on the amount of money, you know, that I can afford. Yeah.
I just can't afford anymore. Yeah. It's, it's just outrageously. It's just starting to get me angry, and for the first time in my life. I am starting to feel like I, I. Yeah. Well that's, that's certainly true, I mean, if I can't afford to have some kind of optional operation for myself. Because our, our medical coverage has gotten increasingly worse over, let's see, the past five years, to the point now where even if we need surgery, our insurance only covers eighty percent of it. Right, which is ridiculous. And, right and so no matter what happens to me, if I get in a car accident this afternoon, I have no way of, you know, no way of being able to afford the outrageous medical costs, because my insurance is now only eighty percent of whatever it's going to be. Yeah. And, uh, so on top of that, uh, then, what if I, what if we decide to have universal health insurance, I'm subsidizing, Everybody else. And what if they are lucky enough to get into a doctor and a program that's going to say, Okay, well, you really need to have those varicose veins fixed, or your teeth fixed or something like that. Right. And I am paying for it.
You know, stuff like that has happened with education and with other things that you hear about and it's just, Wait a minute You know, my kids aren't getting that. How come their, their kids are getting that? Yeah. Exactly, I don't, I don't, uh. And I know it's only in a few cases and I don't want them to, uh, to cut funding for welfare programs or anything. I don't want them to do that, because I know a lot of people, they live right on the edge and they need that. Uh-huh. But, but. Yeah, it's, it's one of the strange, I think it's strange that as you get older. Uh-huh. I think, I think the tendency is that as people get older, and gain, I don't want, I don't want to say more responsibility, but you know, things like homes and kids, Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Right. Well, yeah, that's, and it's, uh, it's funny because a couple of years ago, I heard a quote from Winston Churchill. Let's see if I can remember it, anybody who's not a liberal in his twenties has no heart, and a person who is not a conservative in his fifties has no brain. It was something like that That's probably very true. Yeah, and I don't know, I guess that's what's happening to me, but I, I think it's just starting, uh, it's, it's, I, I don't know maybe other people, I, do you think it's a sign of the times, that people are starting to say, All right, we really mean it, no more taxes or maybe this is just my own personal. No, I think, I think people are starting to really mean it,
I mean everywhere you, you look, you are getting something new. I mean, you start off, you know, especially, uh, Yeah. you guys I believe in Texas you don't have state tax, do you? No, no income tax. Right, we have, we have federal income tax. State income tax, local income tax. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Wow. So on top of the federal tax on gasoline, we have state tax on gasoline, Yeah. so we are just. Yeah, but I tell you, uh, we have incredible property taxes down here. Oh, that could be, uh, making up for the difference. Yeah, and we don't have the services either that other states have.
Okay. All righty. Uh-huh. Probably some of that is divorce and some is they're more educated than they used to be I think. Uh-huh. Uh, I think sometimes, uh, leaders in government they've become more, uh, adroit in that area, too, instead of just men all the time. Uh-huh. We have more women in government. Uh-huh. And, now I'll let you say something Well, uh, I probably a little bit older than you are, so what I see, uh, is, the change that I see the most is, is that, uh, women have much more, many more occupations and careers to choose from than when I went to college. When I went to college you could be a teacher or maybe a nurse or a secretary, or, but there were very few women in business at that time. A few, but they were the oddity. Very limited. And now I see
and, and I see for my daughter, which is wonderful this, she's thirteen and I see a whole wonderful world out there that she can choose from, Uh-huh. so many different jobs, which I think is terrific. Yes. Because I'm a teacher and, I mean, I love teaching, but, there, I think there are a lot of other things I would have liked better. Uh-huh. And, uh, not that I would give the career up because it's, it's a safe career, plus, because I always have a job plus I am a single parent, too, Uh-huh. and I I need the income. Right. But, uh, and I think that's the reason why a lot of women have, have started to work, too, is because economically it's just a must. I think that's right. Uh, you just, it's very difficult to get along on one income unless uh, the male, uh, has an extraordinarily good job. Uh-huh. And especially men who teach school, they don't make that much money,
and, and most all, they always either have they're either moonlighting or else their, their wife works, too. Right. Uh, it's just an economic need now. I really think women have so much more responsibility than, you know, as far as everything. Oh, definitely. And, like you said, uh, one, women today have so many, uh, the average today of having a, a single family, you know, with the mother as the head, you know, it just really, uh, so commonplace, nowadays. Uh-huh. Oh, yes, exactly. We have quite a few teachers at our school that are single parents and, uh, the majority is, uh, married couple with children, Uh-huh. but still there's a lot more than there used to be. And see you never picture yourself in a situation like this. When I married, I thought I'd be married the rest of my life. Right, right.
And, uh, but I'm all, I'm really grateful that I went to college. My mother always said, you know, get an education in case you need one, because my father died when we were, I have a twin sister and we were eleven when he died and she had a nursing degree, Uh-huh. and she was able to make it. But, she said in you never know what's going to happen and I thank God that I did go to college and got a degree because otherwise I don't know how I would be able to raise my children. You know, isn't that funny, uh, because the same thing happened to us, except I was twelve. And my mother had a nursing degree and was able to make it in her profession, Isn't that something. and was, Yes. Yes. and even today I think the chance for education is is, is so much, uh, better for all of our girls, and, and boys, too. Oh, yes. But, but the girls especially. Yeah, I do, too.
But I think it needs to continue to change and I I think it, there's still not equality as far as, uh, paychecks for men and women. I think that the, we still have a long way to go. A lot of things, yeah. Uh-huh. And I think that, uh, I think by the year two thousand it, we're going to see some, a lot more changes, uh, hopefully, that women are, you know, able to get the, the executive jobs, and hold positions that men, men do because they can do it just as well, you know, Right. if they want to dedicate their, most of their time to that they, they're, they can do it. Yeah. And I also think that in the future that, uh, it's going to continue. We're not going to see a lax off of women in the work force. Uh-uh. I think they're going to stay there and I think that they're going to, uh, uh, be really responsible and, and do everything just like, what you said, you know, make, make it the grade and, and make it so women can be the top people in their, in their field. Exactly. Exactly. And I think that's the way it should be. I think it Oh, I think so.
I mean, not that I, I think that I'm equal to men because there's a lot of things that men can do that I, could never do strength wise and so forth Right. but, also there's some things women can do like have children, that men can't do. Right. So, you know, it, I don't I don't want to be equal but, I, I want to be, I want to get what I deserve and I want to be able to be on the same level with them. If I can do a job as well as I man I think I should get the same pay, you know. Exactly. And, And I just, I'm not a women's libber. Exactly. I really am not. But I, I think that that we have just as many rights as they do. And I feel like if there's a qualified woman to do the job and if she's good or better than a man then she they should get the job with the same pay. That's right. And I think that is happening more and more. I do, too. I think it's just going to take a little bit longer. Oh, I do, too.
Definitely Well, great, okay. Well, it was good to talk to you. Good to talk to you, Sally. All right. Thanks. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay. Um, I don't have any, I guess, definite views about elderly care. Um, the first thing that comes to mind is kind of those horror movies that you see, where elderly people are abused and things like that. Uh-huh. Yeah. I think that's one thing that I would look at if I was putting my grandmother or my mother, uh, in some sort of home. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. I, um,
a group that I'm a part of goes once a month to a, um, they call it the Heritage House. Uh-huh. It's, it's a nursing home for elderly people. Uh-huh. And this particular one has people that are in pretty bad shape. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, um, I watched, the interesting thing was I watched this particular one change hands. It started out just being a terrible place for the people, Uh-huh. and then a new company bought it, and came in and remodeled the whole place. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Hired new nurses and, uh, just really, just redid it, you know. Just out of curiosity, what, what kinds of things were they doing when they were considered a bad place? Well, to me, it was dirty, for one thing. Uh-huh. Uh, when you would walk in, the smell was just, awful. Uh-huh.
The, you know, the floors, you could just, if you're walking on them, feel how filthy they were. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Um, there were a lot of people just kind of up and down the halls laying in their beds hollering and, you know, crying, Oh, my goodness. Of course, I don't know how many of them were, you know, not in their right mind. or how many were, Uh-huh. In pain or something. Yeah. Yeah. I just really don't know, but I feel like they were neglected. Uh-huh. And, um, yeah, that was what I was going to say. It sounds like just neglect all over. Right. You know, neglect to cleanup. Right. I don't really think anyone was being, you know, cruel or, or trying to mistreat them or anything.
Uh-huh. I just think they were not doing anymore, you know, than they had to do. And, um, just kind of letting everybody live in a not very good environment Uh-huh. But this new company came in and they, like I said, they remodeled the place. Uh-huh. And it smells nice when you walk in. And it looks nice. And they got like several new color T V's for the people, And redid the dining room, where they made it, you know, a lot more place for them to be. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. They made a little patio area where they can go outside. That's great. Yeah. Just, you know, small things that make it seem a lot more homey. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, it's a lot more like an apartment place instead of just, uh, I would, I would personally hate to know that my mother or grandmother or anyone is in a home like that.
And my biggest fear would, that they would be, is that they would be lonely. Right. And I would like to know that there are, you know, just a lot of activities, like you said, you know, just putting a plant in a room, You know. Just makes, just brightens and, and, and just makes them, just a little more active. Right. Right. Television, Uh-huh. They can go outside and, just to know that they're not, you know, laying in a room, looking at gray walls. You know, that, that's what would just really kill me. Right. Exactly. Yeah. I'd like to know that, you know, they have friends there, Right. and they have little conversations and things. Right. I'd like to know there's a lot of interaction and, maybe some kind of, of activity, little field trips or something. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know how they would do that.
But, Well, they, uh, this place that we visit, it's really neat. They have, everyday, they have schedules of groups that come in. Uh-huh. And they will do bingo. Our group does a church service once a month. Uh-huh. And then other groups come in and do the services, you know, other Sundays, Uh-huh. So that they have at least one service every Sunday. Uh-huh. So there are a lot of things. There are places that have a lot of things for them to do. But you really do have to kind of seek it out, you know, and make sure that it's not a place like this one was Uh-huh. I didn't realize that there were groups that go in like that. That's, really neat. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, it is. It's real nice. And, um, I know our church does it and there are a lot of other churches, and they are just like civic organizations, that do. Right. Uh-huh. And, uh, I have other friends. It's kinds of neat, they take animals over and let the people pet them. Oh. Like they also have a dog that maybe needs a home and they will wash it all up, and make sure it's, it's a friendly animal, you know. And take it in and let, just let the old elderly people pet the dogs. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. That's great. Yeah. That will be something, you know, they would look forward to if they knew, you know, that the puppy is coming on Wednesday. Yeah. You know, that would be something to look for.
That's really neat. Yeah. Yeah. That really is. I thought that was a real unusual thing, for someone to do. Uh-huh. So, yeah, there's a lot that can be done. Uh-huh. It's just a matter of people not being lazy. Right. And, you know, doing the best they can. Again, I don't know what I'd do if it was my own mother or grandmother, you know. Yeah. Putting any of my family in an elderly home, to me would be the very last resort. Right. You know, it, um, and I know it's hard for a lot of families if you're trying to, to work or trying to take care of your own family, it's kind of hard to, to because an elderly person sometimes can be totally dependent, you know, on you. Right, Uh-huh.
And I know that's hard sometimes and, but it would really have to be a last resort, because that would just, Yeah. Yeah. I would feel so guilty. Yeah. Yeah. I would, too. I don't know. Yeah, right. Yeah. I know. I know what you mean. I don't know anyone personally that's in an elderly home. Yeah. Well, I have interesting conversations with a lot of these people because, um, many of them, of course, their minds are not good. Uh-huh. And so a lot them have told me exactly the same story, you know, and tell me something that they did Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. Uh-huh. and then the next time I go it's the same thing, you know, that, just somebody to listen to them. Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh, just seems to make them really feel good. Nod your head and smile at them. Right. I'll tell you the people I feel the sorriest for, there's a guy at this particular one I go to, that I think that he's really an intelligent person, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but he has cerebral palsy so bad that he just cannot communicate. Uh-huh. And, um, he's blind and he has seizures, you know, Uh-huh. I mean, he's just like in a world of his own, and yet he wants so much, to be around people.
Right. And if you come over to him, if he can touch your hand, he'll grab it and kiss it. Oh. Oh, and he's always got a smile. I mean, he really tries to, brighten up your life. Oh, it's just amazing. Oh. But he can't say anything. He can just kind of make noises. That's something, that, if I had to work in an elderly home, I don't think I could do it. Yeah. Like I, I would really like to be a teacher, Yeah. But I don't think I could do it. Because I'm very, very emotional. Me, too. And the minute, I mean, the minute something happens, Yeah. I cry on, I mean, Hallmark commercials. I know. That's just the end of me.
I know. And so I mean something real life, I just, Uh-huh. I interview a lot of children, I'm an education reporter, Uh-huh. and I always go and do an education things. Uh-huh. I meet these kids who are, you know, dropping out of school left and right. Yeah. And all the sudden, they're in this program. They're making straight A's, they're going to graduate early, Uh-huh. and I'm just, I just want to hug them, and go, you are just fantastic. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, I could just imagine, you know, working in a home like that, Oh, yeah. And those people, they're so sweet and, and so genuine, You know,
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and all they want is just for everything to be happy, Yeah. and you know, Yeah. Oh, it does. Yeah. Yeah, it is, it's really hard and, But one of the neatest things I think though is we always take our kids. Uh-huh. I have a three year old and a six year old, Uh-huh. and they, um, have gotten comfortable being around these people, because they've always gone with us, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and the people love them. I'm sure.
And they want the children, you know, to hug them or hold their hand and, so far, my kids will do it. Just real easily, Uh-huh. and I think it's because they've gone since they were real little, Yeah. and they've never been afraid. But that's something, to me children, you know, need to, Uh-huh. people need to take groups of children, Because the kids just brighten up their lives. Right. Yeah. As we walk through the, the lobby they'll all say, bring her here. I want to see her I would love to hold her. And children, I mean, usually a of elderly people like to, they like to, uh, share their experiences with the, with the younger children. Uh-huh. They'll be telling them all kinds of stories. that they don't even know what they mean. Yeah.
That's true. You know, they feel like they've lived life so they need to share it. Yeah. And I'm sure I'll be like that, too. Well, me, too. Yeah. Yeah. It's quite an experience. But, that's great. I didn't know there were such groups. Yeah. Yeah there are. And, and, uh, it really helps those people, I think. Uh-huh. But, like you said, I'd really have a lot of second thoughts before I put any of my own family members there. Yeah. Yeah. It would be a last resort.
And I would hate it if anyone put me in one. Oh, I know. I'm always afraid like, oh, no, what if I lose my mind. Yeah. Am I going to end up in a place like that Somebody take care of me. Yeah, that's right. Okay. Well. Okay, well, nice to talk to you. Yeah. You, too, Tonya . Thanks for calling. Uh-huh. Bye-bye. Bye.
So have you got a pet. no, I don't, an my kids would love a pet. I had a pet when I was a girl. I had a Cocker Spaniel. And I think one thing about pets is they're a lot of company. Yeah, You can, you can tell them anything and they won't tell anybody. That's right, that's like unconditional affection. Right, as a matter of fact, I was thinking that same thing, unconditional love. They just give it, and don't expect too much. Yeah. Anyway, do you have a pet? I had a cat, I've had several cats.
My pet, uh, was hit by a car New Year's Eve, but, uh, Oh! like a I'm going to get another one as soon as I get back in town. I'm going out of town this weekend, when I get back I'm going to find a cat. So, Oh, I'm so sorry. But that's good that you're going to get another one. Yeah. I know some of my friends who have pets, uh, and they just are really, you know, the ones that have dogs are very, uh, protective of them and I think that's one reason they have them, especially older people that I know, that have pets. But they just, um, really take care of them, or, uh, are protective of them. I work and go to school and it's kind of nice you come home your, your pet's there for you and wants a little food a little attention. Yeah, an,
and my, my kids, And that's, it's kind of fun. um, they really want a dog badly, and they've been looking and looking and want, you know, they'd take anything I think Yeah. but, um, I don't know do you like, I guess your cat was an indoor cat. No it was an kind of indoor, outdoor, it, it was, It kind of traveled around travel . well yeah, I don't, I don't care for the smell of the litter box so my cat was trained to go outside, other than that it was inside when it wanted to be, it was outside when . Yeah,
when I had a Cocker Spaniel it, it was an outdoor dog and, uh, I think I liked that better. Yeah, I, I, think, you know, I like dogs, but I think that, uh, I'm, kind of like big big dogs and you have to have room for them. Yeah, that's true. And dogs take a lot of, a lot more care than cats do. Cats are pretty independent, you know, you feed them and they keep themselves clean and, if you, if you raise them right, you know, you don't have to worry about the litter box thing, where with dogs you really do have to let them out and take them for walks and things like that. Yeah, that's true. Take them for walks, right.
Yeah, I see all the people on, on Sunday going for a walk with their dogs and, and I, I'm kind of skeptical with my son getting a dog, I'm like I know it will be fun the first week maybe, Yeah. and then mom gets to take care of it, or something. So, I Yeah, I got to take care of a friend of mine's dog. He's just got a puppy and he was out of town last weekend and of course the dog is not trained for anything yet, so it was, go over there and clean up after the dog, Oh, that's exciting. Yeah. And, uh, kids kind of, they want the, they want the fun part and not the, not the work. Yeah, I think it's really important to that, that if you get a pet that they're either spayed or neutered so that, you know, we're not just going on with this pet population and having to, just get rid of them. Yeah.
That, that kind of gripes on me some, but, but I don't know. Well if you're, if you're going to have a pet, and not have it neutered or spayed you need to be willing to, you know deal with the consequences, take care of the offspring More and more people are, Right, right. and, and I think, you know, But, uh, when I was growing up we had cats and, you know, just seeing the cats, you know, the, the miracle of birth, you know, put that in quotes, is that's a, that's a neat thing to, to experience as a kid and understand, I think that's really true. and, and it was a real positive thing, but on the other hand you don't want to, you'd be one of these people that dumps the kittens off on the side of the road, you know, Yeah. they're, they're, getting old now, and it's time to get rid of them. Yeah, exactly. So. Exactly.
I think our community is a lot more conscious now though too, and, and that's good too. Yeah. Well, I think that's all I have to say. Okay, Okay, have a good night. All right, bye-bye. Bye. Okay, what kind of do you have children? Yeah, we have one that's seventeen, one that's fifteen, and one that's just now six. Oh, okay. And we had kind of a hard time finding someplace we could put Michael's goods , his birthday is the first of September, Uh-huh. and he was going to school at five.
Oh. So, he started the first grade when he was five Uh-huh. yeah, first grade when he was five years old. And you had trouble finding somewhere for him to be before he was five. Yeah, Uh-huh. so, we could, you know, we tried to find him someplace where he could learn something. Right. And it was, uh, mediocre expensive, But, it wasn't really that expensive, Uh-huh. but it's really hard to find someplace where you can send your child and expect him to learn something. To learn something. And that's, I mean, that's even not only toddlers but, you know, even your older children. Yeah.
It's hard to find anywhere they're really going to learn something. Yeah, well, And then, yeah, you do have to pay, you know, if you, the better the place, the more you're going to pay. Yeah, but parents pay when they stay home with them anyway True, very true. It's, You know, my wife works so, it costs us more for her to stay home more than it does for him to go to the baby-sitter Uh-huh. so. We try to, If I had any children I would, uh, I hope that I'll be in a position to stay home with my child because I'm not real, uh, uh, trusting of a lot of people, uh, especially today. Yeah, see I don't know, People, I work in the news business
and I just see different things all the time, Yeah. and people are just crazy these days. They're crazy and, and I don't, you know, Yeah. it takes me a, takes me a long time to just trust someone as a friend, much less to, you know, trust someone with my, with my child. Yeah. Well, see we took our time and we checked it out, Uh-huh. and we found a preschool for him. Uh-huh. And it, you know, through other folks where I, where I work, I work at T I. Uh-huh. So, through other folks where we worked we found a nice preschool it was actually at a licensed preschool, you know, Uh-huh.
we, had those requirements, Uh-huh. so, I guess that's the best way, you know, to get, recommendations from your friends or, family members. Yeah. I know, I'm, well, that and, you know, I don't think I would have left him anywhere that would, I would have stayed home with him first, before I left him somewhere that, you know, Uh-huh. they still have unlicensed baby-sitters running around up here you know, I just, I, I don't think I'd take that chance. Huh. Uh-huh. You know, I think it's out of sight or out of mind, for less than, for more than, a minute or so. Yeah, yeah. I mean you have to be, you've got to be sure, that these people, I mean not that they're going to abuse your child or anything, but you just have to be sure that they're going to be watching them, you know, that they wouldn't let them drink something or, you know, eat something off the floor, you know,
But you never know. Yeah. Yeah. just simple things, that can be harmful. But you, you know, as, as far as child abuse is these days you never know, Uh-huh. you don't know who you can trust, and who you can't, you know. Huh. Then you hear so much, you know, on the news about, uh, child care places and also, um, senior care facilities, you know, you hear abuse. Yeah, senior care, is getting real bad. Yeah, and so you just, you just don't know, and you almost want to, you know, spend a couple of weeks with, in class with your child just to see how it is or something. Yeah. But, So, you have no children at all. No,
I don't. Huh-uh. Gee. No. I'm, Do you miss that part in your life or, Uh, no, I'm only, I'm twenty-three still have a little bit of time, Yeah. Yeah, yeah. um, it's just not in the cards for me right now I'm trying to get my career going. And, I imagine, Uh-huh. yeah, working in the news production, Yeah.
anyway back to the subject, Yeah. we should have discussed this earlier, but anyway, it's tough, Uh-huh. it really is, it's hard to find good child care, Uh-huh. and it's hard to find someplace where you can leave your child and trust that he's, going to be fine all day long. Uh-huh. And you brought up a good point, you know, about learning, And, you just don't want a baby-sitter you, you would hope that maybe they'd come home and know some of their A B C's or something, you know, get them, Yeah, you know, and he's, he's doing real well, it, it, it has paid off for him. Uh-huh. He's in first grade now,
Uh-huh. and he's, you know, got a second grade reading level and a fourth grade math level. Huh. So, you know, those early ages when he would, you know, when his mom and dad are at work, and he's actually in child care in a preschool not, just child care, you know, we could have sent him to anybody, you know, Yeah. Uh-huh. Right. Uh-huh. there's a lot people at work that would have baby-sat him but sending him to a preschool where he actually learns something, has paid off not only for us, Right. his, his attitude is I think a little bit, tall for a six year old Uh-huh. and, you know, but his, Did you take this same, uh, route with your other two children? Um, they, they were outside my marriage, Okay Uh-huh. so, I don't know. Uh-huh. I was wondering how,
I would say, no, but, you know, all my children, excel, Uh-huh. they're, they're really good, Uh-huh. and I guess, no, he learns from the older boys too but, Right. And it helps that he has older brothers, uh, you know, just to have role models and things like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, seeing like, uh, in one way we're kind of lucky because they're all boys, but in another way we're not so lucky because we don't have another woman in the house for my wife to share, but, you know, Uh-huh, uh-huh. so, we faced that too
Huh. he learned quite a bit from, not only from nursery school but he learned quite a bit from the older boys, Uh-huh. and, you know, he's excelled and it's paying off for him, it really is. He's, he is pretty smart, That's excellent. sometimes he's a little bit smart mouthed, Uh-huh but he is smart you know. Well, what kid isn't these days, Yeah. so. But I think it's important, I think it's really nice to know that you can find someplace, I don't know, you know, how it is down there in Waco, Uh-huh. but in Lubbock we have a few that you can send your children to and they can actually learn something instead of just being baby-sat.
And, Do they have any kind of program like at T I or wherever your wife works, um, some in kind of day care? No, not in, Huh-uh. We just, Huh, because I know they're, they're putting that into a lot of, uh, corporations now. Yeah, they're trying to. The federal government is trying to intercede on that too, Right. so, no, we don't get, So, maybe that will be an option for, Well, it would be nice, you know, there, But then I, I foresee that being just a baby-sitting thing not much learning but, you know, kind of somebody to just watch your kid while your at work. Yeah, there's not, well, You know, where, where we sent Michael the first few years was, there was different teachers all the time, you know,
Huh. and then some substitute teachers in the afternoon, Uh-huh. and they actually taught him something instead of just watching him all day. Right. You know, and then they had a group of kids and they put on skits and they put on plays, Huh. and they did the Halloween thing, and the Valentine's Day things Uh-huh. and it's, you know, it was important to us, Huh. so we, you know, we took a good look at it and made sure it was going to go that way. Do you think it would have been better for him to have, um, maybe one continuous teacher, somebody to, that he could, uh, get attached to Um, or is it better the other way with a lot of different, No, because I think, you know, as a child growing up I think is a task that belongs to his parents. Uh-huh.
I don't think he needed to be attached to too, even though he did, Uh-huh. you know, he attached himself to a couple of those, Right. but I think his attachments at home and, you know, he gets the idea of what school is for and, uh, you know, I have different teachers, here Huh. and this person can teach me one thing and this person teach, teach me another and, no, so, I, I, I really can't say that it would be, it's important for him to attach himself to anybody. Right, huh. He did well, Uh-huh. you Right. Yeah, each child is individual, in life learning and things. Yeah,
see. But I don't have that experience, so, I can't say that, you know, he did well, Uh-huh. so, I don't think we made too many mistakes. Right. Well, it sounds good, We tried hard. sounds like he's doing real well. Yeah, he's doing real well. Huh, good. And he learned from it so, and that was the most important thing that we wanted was for him to learn not just to sit there and be baby-sat all day. You know, baby-sat sounds to me like, well, you're here, I guess I'll watch you when I get time. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. You know, maybe I'll clean my house, maybe I'll cook you lunch, maybe I won't, you know,
Uh-huh. And they'll probably sit him in front of the television, you know, while they do other things, yeah. yeah. Yeah, and I don't, you know, I don't allow that when he's at home so, but we had a good experience, and we really did well. Well, that's good, that's good. So, and he did, he served better than we did, you know, he gained, he actually gained from it, you know, sure we gained from it, because we were allowed to continue our employment and, continue our family Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but I think in the long run he gained from it just being somewhere where we learned something, instead of just sitting around watching T V, and playing all day. That's great. Right, right. And it's important.
That's probably what I'll try and look for whenever I do have my children, Yeah. I don't know when that will be, Yeah. but, um, you know, just really look into, it will, it will take me a long time to find somewhere I'm sure, just because I, I just want to be, I want to be so positive that, you know, my children are okay, as well as the other children in the center, you know. Yeah, well, Yeah. Well, you know, his Mom didn't go back to work until, you know, when he was six months old. Uh-huh. And we just didn't want to dump him somewhere, and make him feel like he wasn't wanted. Uh-huh. Exactly. And we wanted his center of attention at home but, we did what we could Uh-huh. and it, it worked out real well, I'm glad, we were so careful. It's difficult these day,
It's, it's a lot more difficult these days because you have both parents working a lot of times, Oh, yeah, and, so, you have to find day care, whereas, you know, here, Most of the time now it's a necessity, Uh-huh. you can't afford, Uh-huh. so, you know, I'm not making seventy or eighty thousand dollars a year Uh-huh. No choice, so child care's a necessity, whereas years ago, you know, the husband basically worked and the wife, basically stayed home. Yeah, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and, you know, I'm forty now but, you know, when I was a kid Mom was always at home. Right. So, we didn't, I think that has a lot to do with just, just all children how they learn and things just because the basic family is, is breaking, you know, Yeah,
it is, yeah it is, the basic family is not there anymore. I'll agree with that, it is. It's, it's not there. Uh-huh. I think that plays a big part in, in a child's learning and, you know, what they can and cannot do in child care. Yeah. I don't think, Okay. Well let's start with you Okay, um, the last movie I saw was the FIVE HEARTBEATS and I liked it a lot because it had a lot of music in it. FIVE HEARTBEATS? Yeah it's, It's, it's, uh, Robert Townsend movie. Who, who was in that. Okay.
Um, I, I don't know all the actors or anything, but it was just, it was a lot of music a lot of old songs, things like that. When was it out? Um, it's still out now, uh, it came out I guess about a month or, about a month and half ago, something like that. It's about a Black singing group. It, and, uh, it was called the DELLS, Uh-huh. And, uh, it was kind of like just about their, their life, and their, uh, history and things like that and the way they went from, from, how they went from stardom to nonstardom. Yeah. And, uh, that was pretty good. I enjoyed, I saw DANCES WITH WOLVES. Have you seen that? Yeah, I saw that one, that was pretty good. Yeah, yeah.
Uh, that won best picture, I think. Uh-huh. And Costner got best director. Yeah, right now Kevin Costner, I mean, he's starring in everything. He's doing the Kennedy movie that's coming out, um, and there's one, Another Kennedy movie, huh Yeah, yeah, starring Kevin Costner, and let me see, what else. Um, he's doing some other movie, I can't, I think ROBIN HOOD, that's it, the ROBIN HOOD coming out and he's going to be in also. And, let me see, what else have I seen.
What have you seen? One comes to mind here and I not sure about the name, has Meryl Streep and, um, what was the name of that? Anyway the the premise of the story is that, uh, uh, uh, you go to a after you die you go to a place called Judgment City. Oh, I know what you're talking about. And, um, anyway, My. uh, I can't the other, the other actor, uh, It's called REVIEWING MY LIFE, or something like that. Yeah and, uh, Yeah, I didn't get to see that. DEFENDING YOUR LIFE. Yeah, that's it, okay.
DEFENDING YOUR LIFE, and it's, it's an excellent movie, uh, Uh-huh. it's pretty entertaining, uh. Let's see, what else have I seen lately, um. One of my favorite movies, it's not one that I haven't seen, I, it's not a late movie. FATAL ATTRACTION HOME ALONE. Okay, yeah. It's probably my all time, well not all time favorite, but one of my favorites, that I can watch over and over. well, did you ever see HOME ALONE? No, I never did, I, I heard it was really good, I've never, just haven't gone out to see it.
That was a, that was a good one, too. Was that pretty funny? Yeah, it's pretty good, and, um. Yeah, yeah, somehow just never made it to see that, but I need to see it. I can't believe I'm just drawing a blank, because, I've Yeah, FATAL ATTRACTION, that, I don't know why I like that movie so much, I guess it was so much suspense. Uh-huh. And I like suspense. That kind of reminds me like, uh, did you ever see, this is going way back, uh, JAGGED EDGE. Yes, uh-huh, yeah,
on that order. that was a good one too, yeah. Certainly is. But, uh. And I liked the woman that played in that, I forgot what her name is now. Yeah that's, Anne Archer she's the one, she was the wife in FATAL ATTRACTION, yeah, Oh, okay. and she played in, uh, narrow margin which was a little more recent, Uh-huh. and that was kind of another suspense type, Alfred Hitchcock type thriller. Yeah. That was good. Uh, God, I guess I haven't seen too many movies lately. I need to, I haven't seen a whole lot either,
Yeah. Uh-huh. Somehow, I mean it's hard for me to get to movies now because it's getting so expensive, you know, I'd, I'd rather rent. I know it's it's obnoxious, because you go in there and you spend six bucks a ticket, Yeah. but then you end up spending another six dollars on food. Yeah and that's just for a a bucket of popcorn, you know. And a pop, you know, so it's, it gets pretty, Yeah, yeah, God forbid you should want something to drink with it, but, uh. Yeah like if I, so if I take a date, it, it cost me, you know, twenty bucks, easy.
Uh-huh. Oh, yeah easily. And, uh, I don't know. And you're usually going to do, you're usually going to go to a dinner, go to dinner or something with that. I was going to say, you, you know, you can find certain restaurants that are nice, and have good food for eat for thirty dollars. Yeah. It's almost more fun really, yeah, it's almost more fun really to rent movies. You know, just kind of stay at home, maybe. Yeah, the problem is you always have to wait until they're out. Yeah, that's true too. So that's what you're, you're, uh, dealing with. Yeah, but then you can make your popcorn and you know, be comfortable. That's true, that is true. Uh-huh.
Well. Well that's about all the movies I've seen recently I ought to open the paper here because I know I've seen a few that have, have played. But, um, I just can't come up with any names here, Uh-huh. haven't, haven't been to one for a little while, but, um. Did you ever see KINDERGARTEN COP? No, I never did. That was pretty good. Was that Arnold Schwarzenegger? Yeah, uh-huh. Yeah, yeah. But, um. There's a movie I do want to see, uh, I haven't seen it, what is it, oh, KISS BEFORE DYING.
Yeah, whose in that? It looks, it looks pretty suspenseful. Uh-huh. Another one I saw is called the OBJECT OF BEAUTY. I don't recommend that, as much as, uh, DEFENDING YOUR LIFE, but, it was, it was all right, kind of funny. Um, but, um, what else has been on and about. Are you looking in the paper? Yeah. Oh. I'm trying to, I wanted to get to the SILENCE OF THE LAMBS, I hear that, Oh, yeah, that was great. Oh, did you see that? Yes, that was, that, that might be one of my all time favorites too, that was an excellent movie.
It was pretty scary because I was visiting a V A Hospital, uh, near to where I live and they were saying that some of the patients there, you can't leave by themselves, because they'll make a weapon out of anything, you know, out of a piece of paper, they can kill somebody, you know. Uh-huh. And this guy in SILENCE OF THE LAMBS Hannibal Lector, he was, he was that kind of person, and you, they couldn't leave him alone Uh-huh. it was, it was really he was very dangerous, but you were kind of on his side because he was so fascinating. Huh. But, but they couldn't leave him alone at all. And they found out what happened when they did leave him alone one time, but I won't tell you that, just in case you see the movie. Yeah, I'll probably try to go to see it in a little while here. Uh-huh, oh very good. But it's been out for a while.
Oh yeah, oh yeah. I'm not sure when it will be hitting video stores, it should be a while yet, though. Have you heard anything on, like, OUT FOR JUSTICE. Oh, I haven't heard anything about it. I, but I don't like Steven Seagal things, uh, so. Has he had, has he had very many other movies out? He's had OUT FOR JUSTICE and there was one right before that with a similar title like, uh, I don't know some, I don't know, some macho title. That's why, I, I just don't like the, Because it's a macho movie. yeah, it is, I, I don't like that a lot. I don't watch a lot of Arnold Schwarzenegger or anything like that either. Speaking of that I think TERMINATOR TWO is supposed to be out.
Yeah, yeah, that might be good, though, that might be good. I don't know, I've enjoyed a lot of his movies, Uh-huh. uh, they just, they're action filled, and a little bit of humor, Uh-huh, uh-huh. and, uh. I guess, I'm not fond of the action packed movie, where they're always chasing or fighting, or, you know, Yeah. I like the more, movies that make you think. Yeah, did you ever see, um, um, SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY? No, I haven't seen that yet, and that's something I really should have seen.
Was that good, did you see it? I haven't, I haven't heard much lately. Uh-huh. I just remember when it first came out that it had kind of mixed reviews. Yeah, a friend of mine saw it and she said it was okay, you know, Yeah. it wasn't anything spectacular. You expect more out of, uh, Julia Roberts, though. Yeah, the previews looked so good that I wanted to see it but I never did, uh. Did you ever see the original F X movie. well I saw half of it, and I remember I was in school, I saw half of it and I fell asleep and everyone else watched it Oh, okay,
because I was going to say I always enjoyed that, I, I, uh, I remember that movie, Uh-huh, uh-huh. and, uh, it was, I mean I got in to it, Yeah. I don't know if, Yeah, yeah, I really need to go see the original one, I'm sure it was a good movie, I just, I probably had a test that day, or something, I don't know. Yeah, it was one of those that has a lot of twists in it, Yeah. yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's, uh, I can't put it exactly on the lines of the JAGGED EDGE,
Uh-huh, yeah. you get these twists and, it's usually pretty good, but, uh. I think, I think though, that movies are losing their luster. What's that? I think movies are losing their attractiveness, just to a lot of people. Just, I think, I don't know, because of the cost and, I think it, it's just losing its originality or something. I don't, I can't pin, pinpoint it. Yeah, yeah But it doesn't seem like it's as big, uh, rage to get the movie theater as it used to be. That's probably true. I, I, I
just you see the same story lines, different characters Uh-huh, yeah, exactly. it's, it's, it's hard to say. An, and I know I don't, you, know, I don't keep up with it, you know. Right. But, uh, I don't try to just for that reason, it is a, it does cost a lot, Uh-huh. so why go out and see something right away, you know, you kind of wait and if something gets really good reviews, maybe you'd finally go spend the twelve bucks, you know to go to it. Right, right, uh-huh. But, um, you know, I haven't been to a to an opening for, oh, you know ages, Just because. Uh-huh.
in Okay. Okay. I guess we're set. Um, Current events. I get my current events basically from news, uh, just because I watch, pretty much a lot of television, um, Television news? Is it, uh, C N N or HEADLINE NEWS or just local, news Uh, or, I watch a little bit of everything. I like to tune into, to C N N because, uh, you know, you can tune in like any time of day and pretty much get the update on, everything, in about five or ten minutes. Right. Right. I think news today, um, it's kind of losing its importance. Like on, in, on radio, if you hear any news at all, it's like two seconds. Right. You know, really quickly, on regular stations. Well, on commercial radio, I guess, I, I tend to get more of my news from national public radio of the morning on the way to work, or evening on the way to school
Yeah, that's good, too, uh-huh. so, So, I don't, uh, I don't see much T V mostly when I'm in school, I like K R L D. Uh-huh. but I do here. Yeah, where do you go to school? Uh, University of Texas at Dallas. Oh, Okay. I went to U T at Austin. Right. But, uh, I'm a news reporter so I, I should get all I can , my news from the from the T V. Really. But, um, I do tend to throw on HEADLINE NEWS when I'm doing things around the house and just let it play, and listen, Yeah, but, uh,
I usually don't intentionally. Although I should, I don't intentionally turn on the television to watch news. Right. Or I don't intentionally turn on the radio to listen to the news. If it comes on, I just happen to hear it. Now, I will intentionally buy a newspaper to to, in to look at the news. But other, Yeah, all I ever get out of the paper is a Sunday paper Yeah, that's true. That's about it. That's about it, yeah. The Sunday paper, it's so full of stuff, but you pick your favorite section, and the rest, you throw away. Right. Right. Although you paid, what, almost two dollars now to get it but,
I like to listen to, uh, national public radio on the way to work because it's, I don't know, it's variety, Uh-huh. It tends to get like HEADLINE NEWS if you listen to it for an hour . Yeah. Is it, is it pretty good coverage on there? Yeah, it usually is. They throw in a lot of, you know, a lot of interviews and commentaries. It's kind of like getting a newspaper. There's a lot of sections to it Yeah, yeah. and they, they present different sides of things. Um. Because I find like on K R L D, I like to listen to that, but each story is like no more than two or three lines, you know. Oh, well they spend a little more time, you know, they cover the headlines, Yeah.
and then they go into a lot of the issues and things where they, they spend five or ten minutes discussing something and, interviewing people. Uh-huh. Yeah, that would probably be better. And it's, Especially when you look for the, like, popular radio stations like mostly the music stations, news is, is pretty much nonexistent. Yeah. They have little, little, teeny-weeny news, breaks, you know. Yeah, and only in the morning, I guess, there's a little bit. Yeah, yeah, basically. I haven't listened to a top forty radio station in so long I wouldn't know. Yeah. So, So let's see, um, And I guess I get some kinds of other, you know, business related news through trade journals and things but, Uh-huh.
Uh, Right Yeah, But, um, a lot of people are. Yeah, trying to get out of wherever they are but, um, I think, I think news is, I'm wondering where it's going. You know how, I think it will be pretty much nonexistent except maybe through the paper. I know the newspaper used to be kind of the only source for news. And now, it's, it's kind of your final choice. You watch, first you go to C N N, then you go to radio or something like that. Yeah, where nobody wants, to sit down and read. And I think it, Yeah, yeah.
It's, it takes a lot more time to read something, Yeah. and you've got news, bombarding you from everywhere now. So much more effort. Yeah. You know you, turn on the T V, turn on the radio. Yeah. But I think that soon the paper may be kind of the only source again. Why is that? I don't, well, just because I'm, I'm thinking that it, it's getting so short on radio. You still, you have two or three, I know in Dallas you can probably get two, two all news radio stations out of I don't how many popular radio stations. And then on television, you have just the news at six and ten. Yeah, I just, And I just, I just see that dwindling in, in, I find it hard to believe that people will go back to reading over television, I mean, just given the way society is. And I enjoy reading, but most people would rather turn on the tube and, and, and, flip through the channels, you know, and get the headline news at thirty minutes of,
True, yeah. True. That's true, too, yeah. Than sit down and take the effort to read the paper. Right. And they don't have to go get one, you know. One thing I like about the paper, um, as opposed in to television is that, uh, when I, like when I report, because I'm in television, I have to get the basic, the main facts and that's it. That's all you have time for. Right. Right. Whereas in the paper, I like to read the articles because they get every side, every single side, Right. Well, that's why I like, uh, national public radio because they get on one of these little things, Uh-huh. they give you headlines that are brief, just, they touch on what's going on. And then they'll get into something and really explore it.
Uh-huh, uh-huh. And it's, it's informative. It's a lot more informative than, you know, quick, half hour news shows that they tell you what they want you to hear. Yeah. Yeah, because that's what we do. I mean it's like each story is thirty seconds, you know. Right. So it's like you really have to tell as much as you can which is not much in that amount of time. So, and it will probably get shorter and shorter as the years go by I think. I don't know. Yeah, there's so much going on in the world. Uh-huh. Communication, you know, expands the world now. Oh, yeah. There's too much going on. You can't afford to give more than a couple of seconds here and there. I think that is one good thing, one great thing, about news,
and we saw it during the war just now, is that we got all the information within minutes, you know. Yeah. Whatever happened, we knew about it about the same time that they knew about it. And the question is, how much of it or how, some of it, I guess, there's a lot of debate about censorship and and what we're really seeing. Yeah, yeah. Uh-huh. Is it, is it the true story or is it a little bit biased. Yeah. Because even though we do get the story right away, they were censored as to what they could tell us. Right. So all we had to sit here and, and ask is well, what aren't they telling us, you know. So that, that was pretty scary. But we, I talked to one woman, and she said that she didn't want to know what was going on because if she had a son over in Saudi Arabia, she wouldn't want to know, you know, that they're bombing or, or this and that's going on. And at the same time, I talked to another woman, and she was so happy to know because she lived through Vietnam.
And she didn't know what was happening at that time. Right. And she was so happy to get the information, you know. So there's just a lot of different opinions on that. But, I, I, you know, I like to, to know what's going on. Sometimes I think there's just a little bit too much. Yeah. You know you get in the habit of, like I say, turn on Headline News and it will play over and over and you just tune it out because it's the same thing but, And then, too, a lot of times I think, uh, especially on television they blow things completely out of proportion. Yeah, they tend to, dramatize things. Like, You know, like this Kennedy thing. Yeah. like a It's just, I mean, everywhere you turn. Kennedy,
Kennedy, Kennedy. You know, what kind of shoes did he wear on the night? And you know, it's just like, okay, this is ridiculous. Like who cares? Really. So, Well, But what are you doing? Sitting on a computer? Yeah. I heard the little clicking. Trying to do some C programming. Oh, okay. Well, it was nice talking to you. Okay Okay. Take care. Take care. Bye-bye.
Uh-huh, bye. There a lot of places to camp in Dallas? Well, not necessarily in Dallas, but it's a very short drive to areas near here. Uh-huh. Do you do a lot of camping? Well, I have done camping in the past. Uh, I can't remember when the last time I actually went camping was. It was, uh, several years ago, and then I did most of my camping in the mountains. Uh-huh. Well, that must have been fun though. Well, it is. I enjoy hiking and camping. We went to the . I have, uh, some land there, and so it's, it's handy to, to station yourself there on the land and then make trips up into the mountains for backpacking and hiking and, and overnight camping. Uh-huh. Well, that sounds fun.
Do you do most of yours in tents? Yeah, we've done ours, I've only been camping twice. Oh, wow. And one of them I don't really consider camping. Um. It was on the edge of the lake and it was at a camp. I don't like those camping grounds where, you know, you got R V beside you and then another people in tents beside you. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I just don't care for that. No, I agree with you. I think it's much nicer when you can really get out far enough away where, that you can't see people right out the window. Uh-huh. Right. But, Well, it doesn't, uh,
we, uh, four years ago, it was about four years ago, my little boy was three months old and the first time I left him we went overnight camping. Uh-huh. And we went, and we found this little peninsula out in the middle of nowhere by the lake. And we had a ball. Uh-huh. Just sat out there with our, we didn't even use tents then, we just had, uh, sleeping bags and fire going. Uh-huh. And we fried potatoes and bacon and everything for breakfast the next morning. Doesn't that always taste so much better, when you're out like that. Oh, it did, it did. Yeah. I didn't even think about frying potatoes. But my sister-in-law, she's always done a lot of camping. Uh-huh.
And she's good. She'd think about bringing a rake so you can rake your area out. And, yeah. That's right. If you don't you'll find every rock on it when you put your when you put your bag down. Uh-huh. Well, yeah, she was, she is always prepared, I mean, she brought everything from, like I said, toilet paper to the rake. The only thing we'd had to do, we had to go out looking for some kind of a grill, you know. Uh-huh. We, and we, and we seen this old refrigerator that somebody had dumped Uh-huh. and we broke the, I guess it's the freezing component Uh-huh. and we broke that out of there and put it over our, um, hole. Oh, what a clever idea Yeah. I wouldn't have thought about that.
Well, it held our pan and, you know, the potatoes and stuff. We had a good time. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah, we're still waiting to go again. Uh-huh. Well if you get a chance, now there are some really nice camping areas, uh, up in the Wichitas, which is in Oklahoma and, uh, Arkansas. Uh-huh. Arkansas. I can't remember the name. It's, it's on the Oklahoma-Arkansas border. Uh-huh. And it won't take but just a, you know, just a quick look at a map to find where those mountains are, Uh-huh. but I took a drive up through there, as a matter of fact, last September, just took the drive through to see what was there. Uh-huh. They have some wonderful camping areas there. Pretty. Beautiful, beautiful country.
Well, I love to swim, so I like to get out by a lake or a, uh, you know, somewhere close where we can swim. Uh-huh. Yeah. Right, well, Lake, Lake Tawakoni is a pretty nice place Uh-huh. and we had a two bedroom mobile home there, but the boys still liked to throw their sleeping bags out by the lake and build a little fire and roast their marshmallows until the mosquitos bit and then they came in. Uh-huh. Yeah. How old are your boys? Oh, oh they're grown now. Oh, so they don't go camping with you. They go camping on their own. Oh. Once you start them, they enjoy it all their lives. Yeah, well, I haven't taken my little boy yet. Uh-huh.

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