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I'm afraid to get him out. He is so fearless, he, it terrifies me. Uh-huh He, Oh, don't be concerned. There's much less for them to get hurt on camping than there is elsewhere. Think so? Uh-huh. Well, it's the water he's not scared of. He'll go out into it until it's up to his nose and then try to tread back Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, it's easy to keep him occupied though on land. I know that I took my kids, we'd go out, and I've them walk with me along the lakefront Uh-huh. and we'd have a little contest finding the tiniest shell, and finding the biggest shell. And, or we'd hunt pine cones or we climbed some, uh, pinon pines one year and gathered the cones so that we could eat the pine nuts. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
And, we did a lot of naturalist work when we were out. We, you know, we, we searched for Uh-huh. and we ate the wild plants and we gathered wild berries, and, uh, it's really, you know Yeah. the, the mountains can accommodate you if you know what to find. If you know what to look for. Uh-huh. I had my boys build their own little you know, three leg camp stools by cutting a branch off the tree and binding them together with bark. Well, that sounds so neat. And, uh, we cooked in a pot. I baked them a cake, right there on a camp fire. They were so impressed. Yeah. I used a tire chain and the bottom of a Dutch oven. Well, I'm impressed My mother-in-law and my,
well, they've always done a lot of camping. I grew up in Louisville, Kentucky and there wasn't, I don't know, but we just didn't get out. My mother and my father split up when we were young, so, and my mother wasn't into that, and that's who I stayed with. Uh-huh. So we didn't do much outdoors stuff, except swimming Uh-huh. and we went swimming a lot. Uh-huh. And, uh, oh, excuse me, my baby's getting sick. Uh-oh. I know. Well, if our time is up we can quit. Yeah, um, I've got to clean her up I'm sorry,
appreciate it. Okay. Uh-huh. I enjoyed talking. Thank you. You bet, bye-bye. Bye-bye. Okay. I hope you know more about the subject of baseball and where they're going than I do Oh, I know a little bit about it. I'm not a die-hard fan but I, I enjoy the, I like the Boston Red Sox myself. Well, I, of all the sports that there are, that there is, I like baseball the best. However, I haven't been to a baseball game in years, but I have kept, uh, my eye on the Rangers. Uh-huh.
You know and I guess they were doing pretty good up to a point, and then they kind of fell on their face Well, with, uh, their biggest point of interest has been Nolan Ryan not the rest of the team lately, so. Correct, right. Right Oh, it's amazing. They're so astronomical I can't even imagine that kind of money. Right. You know it's just, uh, phenomenal Well, fortunately the Red Sox, last time I saw the paper earlier this week, were in first place and doing quite well. Well, good. Um, I've been really busy at work this past week and normally on my way into work I'll pick up a newspaper and, uh, so every day I'll have a newspaper at work, and when I take a break, I'll take a look at the newspaper.
But this week I've been so busy I didn't even bother to stop I understand. I understand. But hopefully, hopefully next week I'll get back to my normal routine. Okay. Uh, you are involved with T I uh, speech, um, recognition? Well, not really. I, um I work at laboratory. How did you find out about it? Oh, okay. From, uh, I'm an officer in the Air Force, I see. Interesting. Oh, great. And, uh, the speech laboratory does some work with, uh, T I, at, uh, not in my office I see. but, uh, in my division they do, quite a bit of speech work. Uh-huh. Well, that's good.
Well, that's interesting. And the topics are interesting, uh, they run a whole gamut of, of, uh, subjects, and, uh, I think we can address every topic, but the depth of knowledge is quite different. Sure. Sure. So, uh, when they chose baseball, I mean, I'm, I'm, I can understand baseball, you know, I don't understand football. Uh-huh. Oh, I prefer to, I, I like, I never used to really like watching football that much but more and more these days I'm, I'll like a football game, but I've always liked baseball. I, I prefer to watch, um, I guess I'm one of the few people that also prefers baseball to football. And I, I'd much rather go to a baseball game than to a football game. Well, I, I can relate to baseball because I used to play baseball.
But I can't relate to football because I've never, played football and, and don't, and have any interest, Uh-huh. and I said if I ever had a son, he would not play football. And, uh, I had four daughters so that wasn't a question, but now I have a grandson that you know, is gung ho for, uh, football. Uh-huh. Well, Well, there's injuries in a lot of sport. I understand that, I'd, I, but I think the, they happen more in football. I think the odds are cut down. Uh-huh. You know, I, I know they can get hurt in baseball too. The bat is a very heavy object, can do a lot of damage but, uh, I think that they have a, a lower racial of injuries, ratio of injuries in baseball. it's true. I, I would say that baseball tends to be one of the less, troublesome sports, Because
Yeah. but, uh, for some people it's just, uh, uh, A love for them. Well, that, not so much that but, uh, even in baseball you can, like when I played baseball when I was growing up, I had trouble, uh, uh, just throwing the ball because I very, I was always very strong and I when I was young I could throw harder, than my, uh, like ligaments and all that should have been allowed to. Uh-huh. I see. And so I was always throwing my arm out and, uh, having trouble. Uh-huh. I, and I was a catcher so I was constantly throwing back to the pitcher and then down to second base and all and that kind of stuff. So I, that was always a problem for me was just, just the constant throwing, so. Did you, did you sustain any permanent, uh, injury with that? No,
I did that wrestling Oh. Oh, okay. No, I'd, well, I, I, uh, always been quite an athlete and doing different things and, um, the other thing was I'd never really let injuries stop me. But interestingly enough you mentioned football, is like, now I won't play football anymore because of the, uh, the separated shoulder wrestling, Uh-huh, uh-huh. so. Um, but I stood the, stood the injury wrestling, but it, as long as I let it heal, it never really bothered me then playing football this fall, I, it was just flag football too. I separated it again Uh-huh. and it seemed to be, like the straw that broke the camels back, Oh, boy. so. Uh-huh.
Well, I have, uh, I have a broken arm that I had since I was three. It was never set right. Uh-huh. And, uh, uh, I liked bowling as a, as a kind of a relaxing sport. And, uh, one of the men that was in our on our league, uh, noticed, uh, you know, uh, my broken arm and the way my ball would do. And he says, let me show you how to use your arm to your advantage. And so he brought me up from like a hundred and fifteen, I had my high game of two eighty-seven. My God. So, uh, yeah Um, it was really funny, you know, that he would tell me where to stand and how to hold my arm and, and how to, uh, follow through with my, uh, addressing that , to put the ball, Uh-huh. the, uh, pins. So that was interesting. So I really, um, I got a lot of, uh, recognition from the, uh, uh, the bowling league, I guess. Uh-huh. I'm not sure where all my pins came from, but it's, but that was quite awhile ago but I, and I never pursued it.
And a lot of people said, well, you should have turned pro. And I thought, no, not I don't, my love wasn't there for the game. I liked to as a, as a method of, uh, entertainment and I, uh, fellowship Sure. but outside of that, no. I didn't. And I, and I still, I like to bowl, but, uh, I don't have, uh, Jack standing behind me to tell me what to do Are you on, you on any leagues now? No, I'm not. Oh. No. No, uh, at T I they have a sponsor, a junior league achievement and, uh, it's true bowling and I've never, uh, shared that with them.
I would have to brush up on my bowling before I even tried to, uh, win a lot of money for the junior achievement, uh, organization. Uh-huh. But that's the only thing that I would, you know, be to do. Right. Well, my grandmother has been bowling for, gosh, maybe thirty, forty years. I don't know, Uh-huh, uh-huh. a long time. Uh-huh. And she still, she's got to be, Still carries a good uh, average? Well, no, she Okay. So, what's it been doing up there? It's real dry up here. Oh, really? Yeah. We need rain really bad.
Oh. Well, All the farmers, you know, well, it's good for hay. You know all the farmers got their first cut of hay and everything, but they're going to need some you know, rain to get the second cut. Oh. I, I'm working for a lady who has a strawberry field, and if we don't have rain, she's going to lose a lot of money. Oh, my goodness. Well, we have been drenched. Oh We have had so much rain for May and June that we've got all the, uh, weather people down here really confused. Oh, my. Uh, we, it's probably, it, it's just, It's usually dry down there, isn't it? Yeah. Right now,
by now it's usually, no, you know, it's quit raining, you know, by at least a month. Uh-huh. And it's still, we're still having April showers, for June. Oh, I hope they come, this way. Yeah, uh, I don't know where, where it came from but it's been really, we got a lot of, uh, we're in central Texas and it feels like we live in Houston. Oh, really? Yeah, it's, it, it, you know, like it rained today and then it just kind of steamed everything up, you know. Uh-huh. Uh, it's been great because we haven't had to use our sprinkler system,
We've had some with really, really high winds that have trashed trees and, everything else. Oh, my. It's just, Now see, every, everyone up here with their gardens they're not going to have much of a garden this year because it's so dry. Yeah. Well, I hope you get some of that. Yeah. We got enough. We have had plenty, and we're still, uh, forecast for more. Really? Yeah. Well, gee, So, uh, does is California getting rain then? Uh, I'm not real sure. I think a lot of this is coming out of, I think what's of it's coming out of Canada, Out of the Gulf?
and it's meeting what's coming out of the Gulf. Oh. And it's just causing chaos Yeah. so it's been, it's been, uh, wet. Uh-huh. And we've moved our yard I think three or four times in the last two or three weeks. Oh, my gosh. I mean just because it just keeps growing and growing and growing and, and one, one week it just rained, thunderstormed for a day straight and you couldn't get out there. Uh-huh. You just couldn't get out there. By the time you finally got out there where your lawn mower wouldn't sink, we were, you know, yeah, lawn mower broke So, Oh, well, see, now we need, we could use two days straight of rain. Oh.
It's really drying up, up here. Well, what always works for me is if I water my plants or we wash the car, it usually rains. If not that night, the next day Does it? I was telling everyone, hang your clothes out on the line and it's surely going to rain. Yeah, yeah. Whenever you hang your clothes out on the line it always rains Yeah. Uh-huh. Um, We've had real hot weather. Hotter than usual? Yeah, yes. We, you know, and, uh, let me think. I got out of school in May. In March I was wearing shorts.
Wow. I was wearing shorts in March up at college, and, uh, we, what they said is that this area has had its summer weather in the spring. Huh. Is what they said what happened. Huh. I hope that, Oh, I don't know. But, I hope that doesn't mean we're going to get an early winter. No. I wouldn't think so. I wouldn't, not as early as it came. I mean your talking September, maybe. Yeah. That's a little early. Still the, Uh-huh.
Yeah, I was wearing shorts in March. You know it was nippy Uh-huh. but, um, like it was still in the seventies. Yeah. You know, high sixties low seventies in March. Yeah. And we were there, we were in New Jersey last October Uh-huh. and it was hotter there than it was here. Yes. It was just like a heat wave. Uh-huh. Yeah, we haven't, and we just died. Oh, my gosh. It was really hot, so. But I like it here.
Huh. I wouldn't, I wouldn't trade it for snow any day. Really? Yeah. See I like, I like the snow but I like to watch it fall, and I just like it where it's deep enough, you know, but not too deep. Right. And I can handle a vacation in it and, you know, but my husband is from New Jersey and he wouldn't go back either. He did all the, shoveling and everything else. Really? He said it was a pain. So, Well, isn't it weird at Christmas time without snow? No. I don't think so. Well, see last year we had snow at Christmas time. Oh.
So it really wasn't, it was weird because we had snow It's like, wow, it actually fell on the right day. So, uh, no, it's not. In fact, uh, you know, we're used to running around in, you know, spring clothes in December, and so when it throws in a real cool winter, we get broken pipes and, and all that kind of stuff and because Texas is, just isn't built for you know, real cold weather for long periods of time. Yeah. Well, it's real dry down there. You don't have the humidity either, do you? No, not, not were we are. Now in Houston and stuff they've got it, they've got it where no hairsprayer works. It's so humid at times, but here it's, it's just about right. It's, it's pretty dry and, not too dry where, you know you just, it hurts to breathe, Uh-huh. but we're just about right. Yeah. We're just having this, all this rain, and late rain has made it kind of uncomfortable.
Made it, the humidity real high. Yeah, muggy, huh? But no, I like it. Well, we're right in a good stop because we're, you know, we get over in the, over the hundreds in the summer, Uh-huh. but it's, it's not, it's a dry heat and it's not really as hot and muggy as it would be being over a hundred plus ninety degree humidity, ninety percent humidity, Yeah. so. See that's what's bad up here is when we do get the real, you know, hundred and the high nineties, we have the humidity to go with it, Oh. so you're like real mucky and you, you know, your legs stick together just from walking you know. Yeah. Yeah, I know what, So, um,
So we like it where we're at. If it's not a whole bunch of everything at once type stuff. Uh-huh. Yeah. So. But no, it's interesting when it gets really cold here and people forget that they're, live in Texas and they don't know how to drive in snow and, you know. But, uh, I wouldn't trade it for anything Oh, that's good. I was born in Texas and I visited other areas, and I'm just a sun person I think. I've gotten used to it. Well, I don't know Well, I guess that's really about all. Yeah, weather is not real hard to talk about It doesn't last real long either. I thought the weather is the last thing you talk about,
but in this case it's the only thing to talk about. But, well, Michelle, it's great talking to, Okay. Um, the last movie that I have seen, it's been, it's been a couple of months. I saw, um, SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY and FLATLINERS. Yes, I saw that one. Those were the last two that I've seen. What was the second one? FLATLINERS. I didn't see that one. Oh. Did you see those because of, uh, Julia Roberts, or for, uh, the subject matter of the two? Oh, it was just, well, someone had, I had seen the advertisement for FLATLINERS on T V, and I thought I'd like it, and then, uh, one of my friends who went to see SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY, and she told me to go. It was good.
So that's why I saw that one. Uh-huh Well, I've, uh, I saw SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY and I, um, I've seen, uh, well , just recently, um, WHAT ABOUT BOB? No, I haven't gotten to see you know, any real recent ones. I like comedies better than I do dramas. I, uh, am not one for the, uh, I don't need the suspense movies or the, the movies with lots of, uh, the horror movies with, uh, trying to shake you out of your chair. Uh-huh. Did you care for SLEEPING WITH THE ENEMY? Um, I'm not sure I, uh, I saw it and, uh, because my wife wanted to see it. Uh-huh. Uh, but on the other hand, I'm not sure I would have gone otherwise, and having gone, uh, well, it really wasn't on a theme that I was, uh, uh, that into, or, as I say, I prefer the light movies that, uh, my style of entertainment is, is comedy, uh, primarily and then into action films.
Uh-huh well, I didn't care for the movie myself. What? I didn't really care for the movie either. Yeah, you kind of have to like to be, uh, drawn to this point where you aren't sure what's going to happen. Yeah, uh-huh. Well, okay, on likewise then, did you see PRETTY WOMAN? Uh, yes. Do you enjoy that one? Uh, it was interesting, Uh-huh. well, I'm trying to think of the other one I saw recently, the one on, um, DEFENDING YOUR LIFE. Oh, I haven't even heard of that one. Well, that was one where, uh, it's kind of like, to me it's somewhat like PRETTY WOMAN. The, the story line, um,
if you accept a few of the basic starting points, I guess the rest falls in place. Uh, it was hard to accept that, uh, this, uh, multimillionaire wheeler dealer would, uh, would, you know, find himself and allow himself to get into that situation. Uh-huh, yeah. Well, I really liked PRETTY WOMAN. You know, I just, well, you just kind of went with it. Like you said, you had to accept the beginning of it and just kind of go. Yeah. It's sort of a modern CINDERELLA type of story. Yeah. But, um, FLATLINERS, now, it's a drama, and I don't usually like them, and I really enjoyed it. I, um, I don't know, it was kind of, it made you think a lot I think. Uh-huh. Did you see GHOST? Yes.
Okay, now, did you care for that one? Uh, that was, I enjoyed that one. I, in that I, I guess I, I hate to be too surprised in a movie, and in that one you could, you could pretty well guess where it was, going to end up. You weren't sure exactly how it would get there, but you knew where it would end up. Uh-huh. See, now, I didn't, I thought it was an okay movie, but it wasn't something that I would enjoy seeing twice or three times. Uh-huh. I didn't think so, um, I really didn't care for the ending of it. I thought it was just of like you didn't know this was going to happen, when, you know, but, um, I don't know, you know. Well, of course, uh, a bunch of girls had told me and warned me, and they said, "Oh, it's a real tearjerker," and da, da, da, da, da.
Meanwhile, I sat through the movie and said well, when are you, when are you supposed to start crying, you know Yeah. I didn't really, Uh, I didn't really find it to be a tearjerker Well, whenever she starts crying Well, do you go to many movies more than once? Um, if I see them more than once, I see them on video. Uh-huh. But like you said, I, I enjoy the comedies a lot better. In fact, that's where I've seen most of my movies, have been on video. Uh-huh. Well, these days it's, uh, You see it on video just as soon as it is on the movie screen. Well, if you don't, with some of the movies, if you don't go to them within the first four weeks, the movie may have, uh, left town, never to show up again until it comes back in video. Uh-huh. So, uh, unless a movie is popular and stays around, uh, you probably will see it on video these days more likely than at the movie. Yeah, uh-huh. So we have, um, well, I think just most people have V C R now and we probably watch twice as many movies at home as we do at movie theaters.
Oh, yeah. Uh-huh. No, I saw one, it was a drama also, and I can't think of the name of it now, that, um, it was a book before it came out in a movie, and it was, it it was a drama. Did you go to DANCES WITH WOLVES? I wanted to see that. I didn't get to. I, at least what I hear on that one, that it's coming out a second time in a, in a longer version even though it was a long movie. Oh, really? It's sort of the uncut version. At least that was some of the rumors. We'll have to see, because it's, uh, there was some talk about that. I, maybe it will come out this fall. There, we're sort of in the middle of the summer, um, season of a lot of new movies coming out, but then there's these, um, periods like early fall before Christmas or early spring when there's sort of a quiet period where if you bring something out again, it, uh, will increase the revenues from the movie.
Uh-huh. Well, um, what movies are showing down there now? Oh, I, I'd actually have to get a newspaper out. My approach to movies is I kind of hear about them, uh, I keep track of them a little, but, you know, ask me to name the ten that are out there right now, and I'd have to say, uh, I, uh, I don't know. I, I just look at the newspaper before I decide to go and, Yeah, that's pretty much what I do. I, I know for sure that that one about, what was that one about Bob? Uh, it's kind of, WHERE'S BOB? or WHAT ABOUT BOB? I think it's just, Yeah, I think it's just playing now up here. Yeah. Because some of them, they, uh, they'll start in one area of the country, and if they it's,
or radio heard faintly in Okay. I, I guess first of all I'll just say we haven't done much, uh, gardening. We do lawn work all the time. But, uh, our gardening we lost, remember the last two freezes, I don't know how long you've been here Yeah I do But we lost our bushes in those and have been waiting to plant new ones. And so, as far as our bushes, we don't have any but we do have some blackberry bushes. And and they were really hearty and stayed on Oh, really. and we've done really well with them. Did you plant those yourself? Uh-huh. Yeah. Oh. And so they've been really good and the kids, I had to,
the first year I had to tell the kids not to pick them when they were red because they were supposed to be blackberries. But, uh, we go out, it, it's hard to go out when it's this hot. Uh-huh. And, uh, but, uh, keep the weeds out of them and, and keep them off the ground so the ants don't eat them. And they're okay. Oh. Yeah, That's nice. I, I love blackberries and we, uh, when I was smaller, we, my family lived in Tennessee and there used to be wild blackberries that we'd go out and pick, my brother and I. But, I don't have any down here. Yeah. Yeah, uh, we have some flowers that have, they're just are real hearty also, and they're bold and they come up every year
but, uh, they're getting too thick, I need to go thin them out. I don't know what kind of flowers they are. They're real common around here. They're, they're orange and they look like a lily, sort of. Oh, I think I know what they, I can't remember what the name of them are either. No, but I think they're real pretty when it rains because their petals don't soak the rain in. They, they keep the, the rain on the outside, little rain drops Oh. and, and they look real pretty after the rain. And so I really like them but I need to get out and, and, um, do that. Now as far as our grass, it grows crazy here. It just keeps growing and growing and sometimes my son does it. But it just is, I don't, I don't know.
I've lived in Utah my whole life and we can't seem to get ours green. I don't know. Down here, the grass? Yeah Well, I'm, we've had problems with our yard. We, it was one big weed is what it was. Uh-huh. It was just horrible. And my neighbors on either side of me have beautiful lawns and we have this God awful ugly thing. And and I know they must think, you know, I wish those people would do something about their yard. Crappy I know, we have that too. But my husband got some new fertilizer and stuff, that, that seems to be helping and he put it on the front yard to see how, you know, it would do and stuff before he put it on the backyard. Uh-huh. But we've got a Great Dane in the back
Uh-huh. and she has eaten everything I have put out there. She's eaten my crepe myrtle trees. Oh dear. I know, and she's eaten the bushes. I've tried to, I spent like eight hours planting this nice garden out there No. and I barricaded it up, so she couldn't get into it. Uh-huh. And I went and took a shower and looked back out there and she was already in it. And I was so mad. Had somehow gotten in. So I can't do anything back Yeah. Yeah. But I've tried out in the front but like you said that, that freeze that came. Uh-huh.
I had some bushes that, uh, some shrubs I put out front and it killed those too. So, I'm just real discouraged with the whole thing. I just don't even want to do anything. The, the other problem that we have, well it's funny because the one, the two bushes on the ends of the house that I think are ugly, they lived and so I, I don't know. Yeah, that, that happened to us. We have these, So like I wanted to go out and kill them too. I know. They had no right to live. But anyway, uh, under our trees we get a, a north sun and, uh, the, it looks like our trees don't have any grass under them. Oh, I know. Ours don't. And we just can't grow, uh, grass underneath there. I know,
we can't either. But I've got two good size cottonwood trees out in my front yard. Uh, you know one on either side of the yard. Uh-huh. And, and they're big and they're real full and everything, you know, in the summer time but it, it's killing everything underneath where the leaves are shading the tree Yeah. but toward the end of the summer, you know, when everything starts dying off and whatnot and then the light can get through the tree, then the grass starts growing. But, by then it's so late then the winter comes and it stops. You know, it's, it's it's a never ending cycle. Right. It's a vicious cycle, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. It just really, So we've been trying to get something or to pull some grass underneath there and, and whatnot. So, Well, I don't, we've never done anything like this but we've been thinking, you know, if we built up, uh, you know, either a wood, wooden like trench thing around where our bushes were and filled it like with a nice dirt then maybe we could plant some either flowers, or, or some new bushes in there that would live.
Uh-huh. And so I think that we're going to try that. Huh. I, I think the I think that's pretty much what we have decided. Now I have two long windows Yeah. Really well I don't really have to worry about that that much because my sons' bedrooms are in the front and they've got mini-blinds and stuff. Yeah. But only, only one is really like in the flower bed part and the other one is out on the porch. Yeah. So there's not really much I can do about that. That's what our two rooms are on the front, too, with these long windows. One is a bedroom for our, our oldest son and one is, uh, an office that my husband and I work in. And so, I, I really don't like it too much because then the back of our house faces that, well, the flowers are out by the back of the house, so, and that's why the front room is.
So that's not too bad. Yeah. But, I like to look at the flowers. They're pretty. I do too, that's why I look at my neighbors yard Yeah. I don't have anything to look at so I look at theirs. But it's funny because, uh, you try so hard I think sometimes to, to, anyway I do, to do our yard Uh-huh and then it's like the wind blows everything whether the weeds from your yard to your neighbors or yours to them Yeah or and so even if you did get it under control, it seems like in just a few months it would all be back and Yeah. It, it's really a pain. My husband works a lot so, um, a lot, It's hard to get out a lot and do that yard work.
Yeah I'm, it's usually me and the kids that go out and mow the yard and and I just I really do not appreciate having to go out there and do it. Uh-huh. I hate to mow the yard, more than anything else. I hate to mow that yard. I know. It is, it's not my favorite, thing in the world either. I'm glad I have an old enough son to do it for me now. Yeah, well mine's getting there. He helps, he does half and I do half, Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah Well that is one chore that we will pay him for, if he'll go do the yard work out, outside, Oh sure I'll be more then glad to pay him if he'd just go out there and do it and, and do it to where I don't have to go back out and redo it.
Right. Exactly. That, that's my only thing with him. Exactly. That's why I'm help, having him help me now fade at end of Okay, well, some of the things I like to do are, I like to knit. I knit sometimes, and I sew Uh-huh. and, uh, I like to sew sometimes for my kids. I, I sew clothes for them every once in a while. Uh-huh. And I make quilts. Oh, wow, that's the next project that I'd like to learn to do. I do mostly hand needlework like cross stitch and crewel embroidery and I'm, I'm beginning to get a little bored with cross stitch. I was thinking maybe need to learn to quilt.
After a while, cross stitch, I I don't know. I have to put it away It gets boring. and then I have to bring it back. Uh-huh. You know. And, and, uh, I don't know why that is. I don't know if it's looking at the little things every time. Well, it reaches a point where it doesn't seem to be very challenging, I think. Yeah, that might be it. But I do a lot of it in the car. That might and yet, there's, We, Oh, do you? Yeah, we commute from Plano to Dallas Oh. so I have nearly an hour both ways that I can really get a lot of work done
and I found that cross stitch is the easiest to do in the car. Oh, I bet. Yeah. I don't know that I could even think about quilting. You have to have a pretty good frame, don't you, to do any kind of quilting work? Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I've not really done any, too much challenging, uh, stuff. I, I can do it with a, a needle and thread you know, but, uh, and get about five small stitches in, which is pretty good, Uh-huh. but it's very long. Uh-huh. It's very tedious if you don't have a whole group, you're not finishing a quilt in a long time Oh, I bet. So, uh, But, it's such a lost art. So, uh, I like to just mostly do the tie quilts. Uh-huh. That's so much easier. Yes.
But, uh, the other ones are very pretty. They're, uh, we have a quilt on our bed that's, instead of, like, yarn they tied, uh, ribbon into it. Uh-huh. Oh. And it's real pretty. I bet. It's real pretty. There's so many things I wish I had learned to do with my mother. She had crocheted a full bedspread. It's kind of a hobnail looking thing. Oh, wow. And when I look at it now, she's been dead for a long time I think oh, why didn't I learn these crafts and skills from her because she could crochet and do so many of the old things that aren't in vogue right now that people just don't know how to do. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Now did you say you could knit? No. Oh. Uh-huh.
Haven't tried that either. Well, I was going to say because, Because if you could knit, you could crochet. I want to learn to crochet. I, Really? It's just like doing one handed as long as you learn how to, to weave the, the yarn in between your fingers on your left hand. Uh-huh. And then you just use your right hand with the hook. Uh-huh. And that's not, it's really not too difficult. You could learn that, I'm sure and pick that up. Yeah. Yeah. If you, I think if you can do any handicraft, you can learn to crochet. Uh-huh. It's not too difficult. It's funny, when you were talking about sewing, I love to do anything by hand with a needle. Yeah But I'm totally intimidated if I sit down at a sewing machine.
I never learned, and I get real nervous whereas usually the other needlework stuff is relaxing to me. Isn't that interesting. But I just have a phobia about not being able to actually sew. I think that's really interesting. Uh-huh. Huh. And yet, you know, I think about, you know, you said you do a lot of needlework and, and there are some beautiful, just gorgeous patterns that people do. Uh-huh. And I, I just think that, uh, that's one of, one of the arts that I think are really pretty. And a lot of people don't do that either. Uh-huh. You know, and so, Well, it's hard to find the time. I, I wouldn't if I didn't have this car time ability probably because at night if I sit down, I'm doing something with the kids or just not sitting down at all Yeah. Yeah. That's true.
You know, and, and I always think, well, I can do this and watch T V or something you know. Uh-huh. And, uh, it seems like I always get my mind carried away to something else and then it doesn't quite work Well, it, or, I'm at the age where bifocals or trifocals would be necessary. It's so I find myself putting glasses on to, to watch T V and then taking them off to do needlework and I get frustrated doing that so Just give it up. And, you know, I like to sketch. I can, I can sketch something, like if I see a picture, like, out of a book, I can sketch that Ooh. and that's nice and everything, but, you know, it's funny, I can't I can't draw it out of my own head kind of thing. Uh-huh. I wish I could. And, and yet I can't do, you know, like, like, uh, craft, uh, on wood. Uh-huh.
I can't do that painting thing. Yeah. And yet, I'm the same way. If I see something, I can copy it, but I certainly can't create. I admire people that have that in their minds already. Yeah, me, too. Me, too. I know a woman who's just wonderful at that. Uh-huh. And I look at it and, you know, you look at those things and you wish so badly that you could do them. I guess, if you wanted to, you could take classes and learn. I guess that's the only way I could do it. Well, sometimes, even with that. I, I think you have to have some, Okay, what kind of fishing do you do?
Well, mostly, uh, a, a little fresh water fish, but mostly lake fishing like rainbow trout and stuff because I used to live in Utah. Uh-huh. But, uh, down here I haven't fished much in Texas. That's one of the few things I've ever fished for is rainbow trout. Oh, they're really not, I think they're good to eat. What, what kind of bait do you use to catch them? Oh, just, usually worms, night crawlers. Sometimes fish eggs. Oh, really? Sometimes Fish eggs? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Huh. Just little, just little fish eggs. Uh-huh. And, uh, there's this one kind of cheese that you can put on the end of a hook and it will stay relatively well
Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah That's a great way. and, and they really like that. I think that would probably be a good way to catch catfish, Now I have never caught catfish. personally I like to catch large mouth bass and catfish because they fight the best Uh-huh. Because they fight the best But a, a catfish will really just tear into anything like that, like liver or, uh, cheese or anything that smells terrible Oh, is that right? Now in Amarillo did you fish any of this ? Uh, no. Actually I always used to go to my grandparents' in Oklahoma and they have the, uh, Lake Texoma right next to them. So the, we used to catch some, uh, sand bass off Lake, there's a Roosevelt Bridge and what we'd do is let the line all the way to the bottom and crank up, you know turns on the reel about six to twelve times Uh-huh. Right.
and the fish would be sitting at different levels. Oh, how about that. So, yeah, you just leave it at that level and in no time something would hit it and you could pull them up two and three times in a row, but you had to find out what level, how many cranks they were off the bottom. And if you left it on the bottom, there was a good chance that you'd catch catfish. Oh. And, of course, depending on how big your bait was, uh, you know, would be depending on what you caught. Oh, I think that is really interesting. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. My grandfather used to do that and we used to have a light at the top of the water. Uh-huh. He'd really spoiled me in that respect. I think they're, see, and I wish I could go fishing here because I don't really know much about the fishing here. I guess it would,
if you did it like you were just, uh, saying, that's pretty much like rainbow trout. Uh-huh. You bait the hook, you throw it in, you troll it a little bit Uh-huh. and then you wait Yeah. and they troll it a little bit. Well, if you, do you have any friends with ponds? No. I don't I, uh, well, if you can well, or even a lake. If, uh, seems like every time somebody's on the bank, all they want to do is throw it out just as far as they can and, uh, bring it in to you. Yeah. But it's the opposite when you're fishing from a boat.
You, you want to make it land right on the shore and then drag like a plastic worm and just have it come into the water like a, a regular animal or, or fish uh, well, you know, something coming off from the bank like they usually do Oh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. So you don't have to really get, uh, fish from a boat, you know, because they're actually right there at the shore. Huh. But, I didn't used to be sold on plastic worms, but, uh, if, I am now You are now. Oh, yeah I've never used those. That's really interesting. Yeah. It just, uh, just a slow reel and then let it sit on the bottom, but the key is to always have your line tight. Yeah, yeah. And that way you can feel when they're hitting it, and believe me you'll know the difference.
Uh, what kind of fish do you like the best to eat? Oh, crappie actually. Oh, do you Yeah I've been fishing in the, the ocean. We're about three hours from the ocean. And I also like Spanish mackerel. And you catch blues and, uh, that's a different kind of fishing off the pier, too. Have you ever fished off the pier? I've done fishing like that but, but, uh, tell me what, uh, where you'd catch crappie. My, my neighbor has gone before and, and done that, Uh-huh. but, Oh, the best thing for crappie is those little spinner baits and, and jigs. Uh, they have like yellow, uh, fuzz on a hook, you know, that kind of comes out. Oh, oh, I know. Yeah. Uh, they're sort of like, well, I want to say flies,
but not exactly like, Yeah, get, but they're a little heavier and they're bigger. Yeah. Get the yellow ones. The yellow. Those are the ticket Okay And let them drop to the bottom and maybe do a, a kind of a slow reel. You don't even have to have a good rod or anything. Just, just even a regular line Uh-huh. and you throw it out and, uh, the, the other thing that's real good is small, uh, it's a real small rapalla . It's about an inch and a half long and they're pure all silver, something real shiny about that long. Uh-huh. They'll go after that in a heartbeat also. Just anything that really shines or spins.
Yeah, my mom, she just loves to fish and she has a lot of those, those little, uh, they almost look neon. You know, they're just real colorful things on, onto her end. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's it. Yeah. And she she's really a good fisher woman. Oh, really? Yeah. That's neat. Well, you sound like you're a good fisher woman, too. Hi, Clarice. Um, have you had a family reunion recently? Yes, just this last summer we went back to Utah, and we met, it was my, we usually go to my family reunion,
but this one was my husband's Uh-huh. and they're usually quite similar, I think. Are you both from Utah originally? No, he's from here Oh, uh-huh. but, uh, most of his people are from Oregon, so we kind of met halfway Uh-huh. and so, this was one, and they, um, planned it up in the mountains and got a cabin and had, you know, Oh, how nice. things like that have to be planned, like they had planned that, we went to the reunion in end of June and first of July that part the fourth of July weekend, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but we had to plan everything like clear in December, January to reserve that. Sure,
sure, Now was this his entire family, cousins, aunts, uncles like that or his immediate family? Uh-huh. No Oh, wow. this was everybody. Oh wow, how many people were there? Oh, I, oh, I, jeez, I think over, um, three hundred were there. Wow. It was quite a large Wow. it was a great big lodge, and so we had plenty of room and everything, and some of them live in that area, so it wasn't too hard for them to come in the day and leave. Uh-huh. But, um, that was a great big thing, and we do that with his family about every five years, a great big one. And then like immediate family we do, like we try to do one thing once a year.
Now how many, how many people are in his immediate family? Well, he has eight brothers and sisters Oh, wow. so that's big by itself. Wow, it really is, and you get together once a year. Yeah. Wow, So we have a little shindig with them. Are they all here in the area, or are they scattered? Um they're close, in a close proximity. Um, let's see, there are four of them who live here in Texas, and his mom and dad. Uh-huh. So, um, the others live in close neighboring, um, states, like Nevada, Arizona I think like that, Uh-huh. yeah Oh wow,
that's wonderful. so, it's been fun. How about you? Well, we don't really get together, I, I would love to, and that's why I checked that I wanted to do that, because I would love to plan a family reunion sometime. Um, I have a sister in Colorado, and, uh, a sister in upstate New York, and a sister in Connecticut, and here I am in Texas. So we're kind of scattered right now. Uh-huh. And, uh, my, my cousins have a, you know, they put on a family reunion, um, once a year, but it's always like the second week in September, so it's, the kids are already back in school Uh-huh. and so, and that's back in the That's hard. and that's in New York, and there's no way, I mean there's just no possible way. Yeah, Yeah.
And it's not really a weekend, it's just like a day kind of thing, because most of them are, you know, um, my family moved to Connecticut, the rest of the family stayed in New York and, uh, on Long Island, Uh-huh. and so, they're all kind of local and close, and so they just have a, you know, a day picnic, and, uh, I've always thought it would be so neat, even if it were just my immediate family, to have like a weekend type thing Yeah. that would be so wonderful It really is fun, and my mom's family does it once a year, just like you said Uh-huh. once a year, um, they have a, a, a Wednesday through a, a Saturday type thing. You can come and go as you please type thing. Oh, wow. And they do that once a year. I kind of missed it this year, and felt bad, but you can't go every year, you just cannot do that.
Yeah, yeah, Yeah. Um. And do they, they have a hotel, or where do you stay? Um, basically, they just stay with each other, brothers or sisters. There are enough in the area to, to just kind of span yourself out. Take everybody, yeah. Whoever's mom and dad it is, you usually go and stay with them, like I go stay with my mother, and my cousins, they just go stay with their mom and dad, you know kind of thing. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And so it's not hard in, in that respect because they all are pretty centralized in one Utah area Yeah, yeah, so that's not hard, but the real planning, that's the real key
Oh, that sounds so wonderful, isn't that nice. Yeah. and they send out, my mom's family now, this is the first reunion with my husband's family I've really been involved with, but my mom's family, each brother and sister takes a turn one year, and that's how they divide it up Uh-huh. But then one brother and sister from each family. Uh-huh. and each one of them take their turn. Oh, wow, uh-huh. And then the, the parent who's turn it is, the child whose turn it is her children help her, Uh-huh. like if it was my mother's turn all of us children would help her put it on kind of thing. Oh, I see, uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
Oh, wow, Yeah, and, um, the thing is, that, um, the, the real part is there are two mailings that go out, and the first one is to just kind of give an approximate date and time so you can start making, Okay. What do you think of the public school system? First off, do you have children that are in it? I have children that are in the Plano Public School systems and I am a substitute teacher at this point looking for a full-time job in the public school, system Oh, okay So, Well then, you should be a good one to know because I, my children are grown now. I now have grandchildren, in the school system Oh. so, uh, I don't have firsthand experience right now, with it. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So what do you think? Well, I think the public school systems are doing a good job. I think they have a long way to go yet
but I think that, um, they are starting to head towards more technology and getting the kids computer literate earlier. You know, my kindergartners were on the, were on the computers, and I think that with the way the world is today that's got to be done. And I think that, uh, the schools now are starting to teach thinking strategies more than just giving them, you know, skills. Right. you figure out why you're adding it and what you're going to do with it once you've got it together. And I think that that's something that is drastically needed because most of these kids cannot think, they literally cannot come in out of the rain. That's right You know, and that just, I don't care how intelligent you are if you be cannot make it function for you that intelligence is being wasted. Right. And, uh, this has been one of my pet peeves and probably why I went into education. So I think, you know, they're, they're trying to head them into teaching them to think and use the education that they have, and I think that's very, very important. Yes, it is. I, I agree with you that they're starting children so much earlier on things because our grandchildren, we have a, uh, fourth grader and then we have one that's in kindergarten
and, and I know the fourth grader is doing stuff that our children was doing, were doing in the fifth and sixth grade. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I tutor a girl that's in eighth grade and her pre-algebra book is higher then some of my Algebra Two, when I was in high school. Is that scary? And it's like, oh, I going to take this home and study it before I can help you. Right. You know, so they're really, they're really moving them along but yet, at the same time, you know, they are stopping and making them use it and function with it like they would need to do in everyday life. Now, And that's you know, a lot of the things that we did in school I've never used and never will use. Yes. And, uh, so I think that it's, it's appropriate to teach them, you know, why they are learning this not just because the teacher says you have to learn this. Correct. Are you finding that, uh, since you're doing substitute, that you're wanting to do full-time? Um, I have a friend that's a teacher that one of her complaints is she can't teach because she's so busy filling out all the forms. Yes, that's a,
And, and are you, do you find that? Well, filling out the forms and also all of these, uh, statewide and national wide testing, things so that they compare Uh-huh. and . You know, you can as far as I'm concerned you can make a survey or test scores say anything you want it to say. Uh-huh. And it's just a matter of how you're going to interpret it. And you waste so much time quote, unquote teaching to the test to make sure that your scores are the very best they're possibly going to be, you know, that I think it's, uh, I think it's crazy personally Be, uh-huh. You know, the the whole first nine weeks of school is, is used as a review but more than a review they're getting those kids primed and ready for the tests that are coming up in, October. So that you know, your school district shines throughout the United States. Coming up, uh-huh. And I think that's totally useless. I think, you know, there's a place and a time for all of the tests and comparisons but I think they've taken it to the extent now that it's just ridiculous. It's like bragging on your grandchildren. Right You know, and everybody's kids are the best kids that have ever hit this earth
and nobody else's children are going to ever live up to this, and that's great. But that's what they're doing with the school systems and they're wasting too much time on that, I think. Well, I, I know that this again this, this friend, uh, is in the Plano School District, Uh-huh. and she teaches, uh, uh, it uh, emotionally disturbed children. Uh-huh. And she says she has, um, six graders in there that are reading on the level of the second grade. Yes. But because evidently you receive a certain amount of money when they're passed on or something. I didn't quite understand it. Yeah, there's a, yeah. And, uh, The bottom line is always money, Laurie? Yes. Okay.
I'm supposed to ask you, how do you make use of your credit cards and I'm supposed to compare those with my, my habits. Okay. How do I make use of credit cards? Yes. Um, let's see. I carry a lot of credit cards with me mostly because I don't ever have cash. Right. And I I, do you work for Texas Instruments? No, I do not. Okay. Well, at T I we have to use what's called a tex teller if we want to get cash out Uh-huh. and those are only available at T I. Oh, okay. So if I'm in a mall or something I can't get cash out without paying extra money so I'm always using credit cards. Sure.
Well, myself I always, I'm, I'm a traveling person Uh-huh. and I'm out of town quite a bit so I use credit cards quite a lot also as far as everything from service work and gasoline in my car to my lounging, entertainment and for everything. Uh-huh. Yeah, me too. So that's, uh, as far as using them outside that I'm not, I don't use them too much but I, I think my wife is sort of like you she uses a credit card, most of the time. Yeah So she does most of the shopping for our household so she'll use them more than I will. Uh-huh. But do you get to pay the bills? Yes. Same at my house So it's me I'm always, I'm the guy that always goes to like Dillard's
and I'll go in and charge something and I'll have to give them my driver's license. They'll have to look up the number because I'm never carrying a credit card. Uh-huh. Yeah. But I do carry like my American Express and my Visa which I use for, you know, primarily work type things. Uh-huh. Yeah. This is my first call by the way, so Oh, it's mine too. Oh, is it really? Yes. All right so we're both beginners then. Yeah. I've had this for a couple weeks and I've been out of town so this is my first time to, to use it. Oh, okay.
Okay. So, Now, did you pick this topic or were you given? No, I was given this topic. I see. Okay. Yeah, they give you, they assign you a topic, you call the eight hundred number, Right. Have you tried it yet? No Okay. When you call the eight hundred number, they assign you a topic and, uh, pretty, uh, cut and dried Huh, okay. Um, let's see. So how long are we supposed to talk for?
I'm not sure. A couple, about two three minutes I think. Okay. But I really don't have too much more to say in regards to credit cards. I, one thing I've always tried to do is when I get my credit cards, I always try to pay them off because I just sort of detest paying interest. Oh, yes. And, uh, Definitely. like years ago my wife and I got married Uh-huh. she was the one with a little bit than I was because I had my credit cards, I think, up to the limit and I was giving everyone ten dollars a month and everything like that. Oh. That will cost you a fortune. That was like thirty years ago so now it's a little different. We, I get a bill
and I'll pay it the same day it comes Yes, yes. and I just kind of tell my kids how much I hate paying interest so they should follow the same rule. That's right. Well, yeah, Oh, you bet it's it's an absolute savings. Or if you travel for work and you get your reimbursement before the bill comes in, you get to keep the money. You bet. That's, that's very handy. Yeah. It works great. Well, I think that's all I have. Okay. Well, it was nice to meet you. Nice to meet you and, uh, give it a try. I think you'll enjoy it.
Okay. Okay. Thanks. Thank you. Bye-bye. Bye. In, in the light of what has been happening lately with the doctors that I know and lawyers and whatnot, I think national health insurance is a way to throw a lot of money at a very small problem. Do you? Why? Why? Well, if you took half the money that they would spend in the state of Texas for health insurance and gave it to qualified students to, so they could become doctors, the problem would go away. You think the problem is not enough doctors? I think the problem is that the doctor doctors have conspired to limit the number of doctors, and that the lawyers have conspired to make sure that if you are a doctor, you are going to pay high premiums on your uh, I mean, on your liability. Gosh, for one thing. Oh? Uh-huh. And you think there are plenty of doctors? Oh, yeah, I don't think there is a shortage of doctors and I do know that O B, which is my field the doctors' health the doctors' malpractice insurance is over two hundred thousand dollars a year that deliver babies.
Uh-huh. It's astronomical. Now they can't doing anything about that. I don't think they're in a conspiracy. I think it's our fault, because we as people just sue them. No, people don't sue People are very sue, sue conscious. lawyers sue. If you put a ten thousand dollar cap on the amount of money that a lawyer could make from a law suit against a doctor Yeah. Well, that's probably true, too. But people are very conscious of how much money they can get real fast these days. Well, sure. And, so, But, you know, when you think about reasonableness, now, I believe that a law suit should have some foundation in the tort theory. You know what tort theory is? No. Well, a tort is when you do something wrong. Right.
Well, it, uh, an O B G Y N doctor cannot control the fetus in the womb a hundred percent. That's right. If the baby is born dead, well, that happens. Well, If, if they have complications and, It depends. Well, I know, I mean, there are guys that are real slobs, but you know, there are also people out there that are really doing their job. Well, that's true, they are because doctors are performing many more tests. Many of them are unnecessary, they are doing so many C sections just to prevent. Just to prevent a a law suit. Because they have all these monitors now and if anything looks even a little bit funny their only safety precaution is to go in and get that baby, Yeah. and so it's costing more all around in health insurance for tests, for surgery, for longer hospital stay. Yeah. Uh-huh.
See, I believe that there, there is a system already in place for health care. So, it's terrible. Uh-huh. You know, they have indigent health care. You show up at Parkland bleeding You'll get it. That's true. In fact, you'll get it at Presbyterian if you show up there, too. Yeah. And we have that happen. We have patients that go through Parkland through the clinic Uh-huh. and at the last minute, they come to us. Well uh, we can't turn them away. Uh-huh So, Yeah, I think that if you just wrote the lawyers out of the equation the problem would pretty much evaporate. Yeah. I'm for that.
I've been through a two year divorce where the only one that came out ahead was my lawyer, so I'd like to wipe them all out Yeah. Well, I, I happen to know a few and I even claim one as a friend. He's a divorce attorney. But, He better not be mine I think he'll go nameless for the, for the purposes of this conversation. But I also know an, uh, O B G Y N who has stopped practicing. Yeah, some they do. Uh, he just said, They stop their O B at least. Yeah, I mean, he's not going to deliver any more babies ever. Right, Right. His malpractice was five hundred thousand dollars a year. That's incredible.
And, you know, he said, I had to, he had to gross two million to take home as much as his malpractice. Yeah. And most of them are very sincere. Most of them do the best they can. Yeah They are human. Occasionally something will go wrong. Well, you can be human and Catholic. I know you can be human and Catholic, but, you're not likely to find somebody who is going to, you know, have a less conscientious effort. Yeah, no I mean, most of them do. I really believe that. From dealing with doctors, dealing with lawyers, there is no doubt in my mind who is more conscientious. Well, you know, who is getting rich? Insurance companies. Yeah, they are.
You know, if you were able to write a malpractice insurance that would negate any financial obligation on the part of the doctor over and above the insurance, say, say you have malpractice insurance and a kid dies or is malformed or, Well, um, I have a, a, a former exercise program. I'm a graduate student, and this semester, I'll tell you what, I, it's been almost impossible for me to get, you know, back to regular exercise. Um, last summer I was a, a swim instructor all summer and, and life guard, so it was really easy for me to get quite a bit of exercise swimming and, um, and since I worked at a recreation center I could, uh, you know, use those facilities quite often. But, um. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. and and it's least hard on your body, Uh-huh, and there's and there's no jarring on the. I, Pardon? It's the least hard on your body as far as, uh, impact Exactly, yeah, um,
and yeah, fluid resistance. Right, right. Uh-huh, uh-huh. How about you? Well, I do, uh, little aerobics, oh, three or four times a week, but it's not enough to, boy if I go, in the summer time I try to jog, jog a couple of miles Oh, yeah. and, uh, well, you know, even doing that three or four times a week, when summer hits, that's a hard thing to go out and and go jogging for, uh half hour or so, Yeah. Uh-huh. but so, I'm not quite getting the level that I need to. Uh-huh. Yeah. Do you, do you kind of think it's a chore, or do you enjoy it?
I like it. Uh-huh. I like it, uh, part of my problem is I have small children, so, uh, to do a whole lot just requires a lot of, oh, coordination as far as scheduling and that type of, uh, deal, you know, uh, Uh-huh. Sure, yeah. Of course, you got a little different direction going, but, uh. Uh-huh, yeah. Uh, I, um, I used to, uh, I used to weigh, uh, two hundred fifteen pounds, and now I weigh only about one, about one seventy-five. Um, so I drastically had to change the way I ate when I, when I first moved to college, and, uh, I had started weight lifting quite regularly, and so I got my weight down, and it's kind of easy for me to forget about it now, because, uh, you know, when I'm not fat like I used to be I don't worry about it Right, you don't notice it as much,
, yeah. yeah. Uh-huh. Although lately I have noticed, you know, even if I gain, like two pounds, I start, I start feeling it and, You feel it, don't you? Uh-huh. It's amazing how, uh, how much, uh, it changes, and I weigh probably about the same I weighed for, oh, I don't know how many years, but, uh, it's changed places And things don't fit just quite exactly fit the same. Yeah. Uh-huh. But, uh, so, do you do, uh, in Texas, uh, does there, probably quite a few facilities. Yeah, there are. Um, I'm living in a dorm right now, and so right downstairs there's a facility.
And I really feel kind of guilty for not working out more than I do because there's a facility right downstairs where all, you know, all we have to do is, is, uh, run down there Do you enjoy it, or is it, uh. If you can have, find the time it's just the. Uh-huh yeah, I really do, because I like to get, you know, get off alone and just do that for a while, but that's hard, you know. Yeah, it is hard Uh-huh. it is hard. It's, uh, like anything else whether or not you want to sacrifice another half hour. Uh-huh. My problem is I don't want to wake up another half hour earlier and do more Exactly. Don't get enough sleep as it is, right Uh-huh, yeah,
yeah. and, uh, kind of have, if you're having the pressures of school and, uh, everything else, it's kind of, course it's really, you know, as soon as you do it, it's really a release. Oh, yeah. You feel invigorated and you feel oh, you feel in a lot better shape just like eating right foods. Uh-huh. Yeah, ready to go another twelve hours. Yeah, yeah. If I eat very much sugar, boy, just does something. Uh-huh. Do you have to watch what you eat pretty regularly? I do. I have to be real careful. Uh-huh. I stopped eating meat about, oh, uh, must have been eight months ago.
Did you? Uh-huh, completely. I mean, any kind of meat or, and I, and I really feel a lot better now. Makes a lot of difference. Yeah, it really does. Well, there's a lot of fat in meat. Uh-huh, yeah, that's it, I mean, that's about where almost all of the fat comes from Right. and so. I found that really helps. And unless you really like, uh, fish. Fish is pretty good for you, but, uh. Yeah, I eat that, I think I've eaten fish like twice since.
I used to eat a lot of fish, too, but I just tried to cut it all out for a while and see what happens. Kind of see what happens. Yeah, and I like it. I've tried to do that with sugar I don't know if I'm that brave yet . everything has sugar in it . I mean, if you go, your ketchup has sugar in it. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Course, and I like sugar, too, that's that's a problem, Uh-huh. but. Anyway, well, it's, uh, nice talking to you. Think we've, uh, covered all the subject. Okay,
yeah, it sounds good. Okay. Well, good luck to you there in Idaho. Well, you, too. Good luck, uh, enjoy college while you can. Let me tell you it's, uh. Well, I'm in graduate school now. I, I, I kind of feel like I wish I could have gone back to undergraduate now It's a little different, uh challenge, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah, it is. Well, it's good talking, Where are you going studying? Pardon? I'm studying speech pathology. Right. do you see as, uh, the changes that have occurred in the last ,
Beverly. I think one of the thing that I notice a lot, I know it's touching social changes, but, uh, to me what becomes socially acceptable, and I, I don't know if it's a factor of me growing older and seeing things through different eyes or if it's a factor of our society actually moving in that direction, but I notice things on T V being more, um, open, more I believe, uh, they portray things on T V obviously that they never would have years ago, and, you know, and specifically, nudity, things like that, uh, I don't know, I, I've said several times to my husband that I feel like gee, in ten years they'll have just full nudity on T V and nobody will think anything of it, and to me that's surprising. To me, that's, that's a big change to accept it, and it comes across, I think subtly, you know, a little at a time, to where you get so used to seeing a little change, that, you know, when they go one step further, you don't notice it that much. That's one of the biggest ones I've seen. Huh, yeah, that's a big one. What about you? Well, I think that society has come to a point where they're not responsible for any of their actions.
Somebody else, uh, made them do it. Uh, that's what I seem to see a lot of, that, uh, no one is willing to take responsibility for their life and their choices. It's rather, sue these guys because they made a uh, a seat belt that didn't work right or uh, that's what I think is a big one. Uh-huh. I tend to agree with you, and I think there's a lot of that. Um, yeah, we have become lawsuit happy. Any little thing, it's like let's see what I can get. Don't you think that maybe a lot of that came from, um, oh, you know, the, the, the era we went through that was like, you know, hey if it makes you happy, do it. You know, kind of like, disregard to others, do what makes you happy, and, and yes, we should take care of ourselves, you know, and we should see to our own lives, but not to a total disregard of others. Um, I don't know, I think it's come to that a lot. I see it a lot in my daughter. I have a four year old.
Uh-huh. And hers isn't a social thing as much as it's a stage they go through, but whenever something happens it's, you made me hit that, you made me do this, and so I try to tell her, , everything isn't always somebody else's fault. You know, you have to watch where you're going and and so it's what you just said, kind of hits home to me, just through her. Sure. Yeah, and, another thing I think has changed quite a bit is, uh, the roles that men and women play. That's really in the last thirty years has changed significantly. Um, in your opinion, good or bad, or both? Well, both, you know, there's some great things that, uh, have come about with more equality, but I think that also, I don't know what's causing society to have so many broken families and things like that, because I think that's bad for us. I do too. I think part of that, I don't know, I think the role of women changing has been good in that women are feeling like, in terms of their self confidence, their self worth, you know, I can do something,
I can be somebody, you know, if I put my mind to it, I can accomplish things too. And I think that's good, but, um, I think when you push, you know, maybe I think when that was first trying come about with, you know, what we know as the women's lib movement Uh-huh. I think it was too extreme. Um, I think you can be feminine and still be all those other things too, you know, and I think there's definite roles, and I think, you know, part of the break up of the family, maybe it's because of the, the, the social changes, I don't know, the fact that, uh, during their early changes where, you know, women did come more, speak, maybe speak out, I was going to say, come more out of themselves, but speak out, I think a lot of men were threatened by that. I think now less men are, you know, because they're used to it, it's around them. Um, but I, I don't know, I, I, I don't know why the families are breaking up. I think that may go back to what you said a minute ago about people not being responsible for themselves or their actions, because it's like they don't go into the marriage with a commitment that this is going to work. They go in and say, well, hey, you know, I'll stick with it while it's good, and then I'll get out.
And I, I, I think that directly affects the effort that you put into that marriage or that commitment. Yeah, I would agree with you. Uh, What kind of movies have you been seeing lately? Uh, it's been probably a month or so since I've been to the movies. Course, my, my favorite now is, is DANCES WITH WOLVES. Oh, it's an excellent movie. Uh, SILENCE OF THE uh, of the LAMBS was good. SILENCE OF THE LAMBS? Uh-huh. What was that anyway? Oh, it's a, I guess it's a mystery, you'd call it. It's with, uh, Jodie Foster. Okay. And it, uh, it's pretty good. Another one that I think I really liked was, uh, THE FISHER KING. Uh-huh. Let's see, who was in FISHER KING?
That was, um, Robin Williams and, uh and, uh, I can't the last name. Right. How about you? What are you? Uh, we've not been having many opportunities to see movies lately. Um, we really enjoyed, um, DEAD POETS' SOCIETY. Yes. Um, several years back one we saw, we saw we really, really enjoyed was, uh, ORDINARY PEOPLE, with, uh, Timothy Hutton and, uh, Mary Tyler Moore, and, uh, uh, who played the father, anyway Right. excellent movie. That was, that was an excellent movie. Have you seen DANCES WITH WOLVES? Yes we have. What'd you think of it? Oh, we loved it. I don't think I can see it enough times. I know what you mean.
I know what you mean. Course I'm a Kevin Costner fan. Yeah, I'm pretty impressed with stuff he's done. Uh, he made kind of an odd sounding ROBIN HOOD, but, uh, I mean, you know, basic thick western U S accent for a ROBIN HOOD just doesn't seem to fit. No, but you know, it wasn't a bad movie. Oh, no. It's a good movie. It got such bad reviews, really, and, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. But I, then I wasn't expecting any classic either. Well, um, they did a real good job with it. I thought so. Um, they didn't try to make him super human or, you know, invincible. They just, just, he worked hard at it. Have you seen THE FISHER KING? No
I haven't, not an opportunity to see that, uh, Uh, it, you, you know, I guess it, it really isn't for everybody. It's, it's pretty deep and, uh, uh, philosophical. Yeah. But I thought it had a wonderful message to it. It's the kind you came out and looked at somebody and said, You know, I think I liked that Yeah. And then the more you got to thinking about it, the more you thought, You know, I did like it Yeah. But when you first came out, you weren't real sure. It sounds kind of like one, uh, we saw at home here on the, rented it, um, CLARA'S HEART. Haven't seen that. Um, Whoopi Goldberg. Oh, yes, I did, yes, I did. And she played a, uh, the, uh,
she's a housekeeper. Uh, the nanny type. Yeah, she's a housekeeper she. She was a, oh, now I can't say it, a Haitian. Housekeeper, uh-huh. Anyway, she, uh, she seemed to be that sort of person that seems half crazy, but then again, she's got a whole lot on the ball, and the movie had the whole, lot of philosophical content, more than, more than, you know, it wasn't a mystery, it wasn't, you know, blood and guts and violence and, and car chases type thing. It was just a good movie. I saw one the other day that was A KISS BEFORE DYING. A KISS BEFORE DYING. Uh-huh. I had not heard about it when it was on the movies, but was out on video. And. And it's with Sean Young. Yeah. And it's a, it's a mystery.

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