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And, uh, I had heard rumors that it was because they couldn't duplicate certain patterns, uh, exactly. Uh-huh. And so like the, the glove box was just a little, little wider, little harder to fit in, Oh, dear. and the carpeting, uh, stretched a little too far. Uh-huh. I had to cut some of the sides down. Oh, dear. But just, just little things. You know, one of the screws on, on the door uh, window regulators you could get three of the, three of the four to lineup. The fourth one you couldn't get to lineup no matter what you did. Oh, I bet that was frustrating, wasn't it? You know, Oh, it was but, the end result is after you put your, your panels on, nobody sees that you got one screw missing in your, your window regulator anyway and, it, it runs. It works just the same, Right, right. so.
Yeah, that's, that's true. Well, you know, that, that is something I really enjoy doing. Um, working on our car too, the, uh, I just changed my oil, oil tonight but, uh, I enjoy also working on things like the brakes and, uh, in fact, just two weeks ago I helped my neighbor out on his brakes on his car. And, uh, either if it's a drum or, or disc brakes, I enjoy working on those kind of things. Disc brakes don't seem to give me too much problem but I, I honestly don't have the tools for the drum. I know you got, uh, certain spring lever that you got to have or some, uh some spring pulley or something that you got to pull that spring back over onto that notch. Yeah. Spoons and, Yes, you do Uh, my dad has got all that and, and I, I helped him when I was growing up, Uh-huh. but I don't have that stuff now, Yeah. because of the drum brakes I, you know, don't have any choice but to take them in.
Yeah, that's true. And, you know, it, it doesn't, doesn't hurt every once in a while to have them done professionally too because, um, I was helping my neighbor out and one of his drums needed to be resurfaced and I don't have, of course, the equipment to do that, Sure. so he took it into a shop and had it uh, resurfaced and, and fixed that way. But, yeah, it is true, uh, you know, I did have a sixty-four Ford truck that I wish I still had and loved to get inside that and tinker around with it and work with it, because you didn't have all the extra, extra stuff, that's in there now. Uh-huh. I'll tell you what. The other, the nicest thing about them is, uh, everything was standard. You didn't have to worry about finding a metric anything. Oh, yeah. Boy, I tell you. And you know, Uh, what do you think are the major social changes? Well,
What age, uh, if you don't mind me asking. Well, I'm, I'm, uh, thirty-one. Oh, well, you're, you're young. I'm in my early fifties Yeah, right so you should take my word you're young Oh, I, you know, I've seen a social change, yeah. It's definitely, for sure, and it's, uh, uh, and besides that, I came from California where social change is like, you know, Every day? Yeah. I mean every second. You know, social change in California means it takes another two or three minutes longer to get to work. Yeah, I can believe that And, uh, when I started work there in, it started, you know, actually going to work in eighty-two,
I guess that's when it was. Between eighty-two and eighty-five, uh, it started out taking me an hour and fifteen minutes to get to work, and then it became, you know, an hour and a half, to, you know, some days, two hours to get to work. That's social change. That's, that's social change. Well, what do you think is, is the major social change? Oh, Right now. Yeah, that's, that's a, that's a tricky one. I'll let you go first. Okay. I think probably the big major change is the role of women. Uh-huh. I think, one, the women, uh, in the work force. Uh-huh. And I think the fact that they're becoming, uh, more, uh, how do I want to say, not necessarily politically inclined, but they're more apt to be in political offices now. Uh-huh. I think, you know, we've made great strides in that respect.
Uh-huh. I think that it, thirty years ago, when, uh, I was newly married, family was very, very important. Uh-huh. Then I think we veered where the family was not as important a unit. And I think now it's revolving back full circle. I think the family unit is becoming much more important than it was. Uh-huh. Oh, I think it's, that's probably for two reasons. Uh, you know, the number one is, women wanted to get out of the house. And the second reason was, is everything costs so much more that if you don't have, you know, equal rights so that your wife gets equal pay, you can't make twice as much That's true, that's true Well, I know that economically, uh, a wife almost has to work anymore. Uh-huh. And yet, I'm also noticing, uh, in the areas that I'm working and stuff, more and more women are wanting now to stay home with the children where fifteen years ago they didn't. Uh-huh. I mean, you know, they wanted children, but they still wanted to be their own person out in the work force. Uh-huh. But I see, I am seeing women now wanting to stay home more, at least until the children are up to, you know, school age.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, I find that very interesting that, that it's sort of reverting back. Yeah. Yeah, I, I've, I've, I've found that, too, you know, where the wife is married and, and, I mean, not, not married, sorry, wrong word. Where the wife has gone to school, you know and gotten a degree, spent five years out in the work force, found, you know, the, the, their husband, either at college, or whatever, Uh-huh. but still, you know, after five years, it's like, first kid Uh-huh, uh-huh. and then they're out of the work force for another ten years. Uh-huh, uh-huh. But, I think most of those people are still out Probably. I think that generation, they're all at home right now
and, and we won't see them back for another two or three years. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Uh, I'm, very rarely do I meet anybody whose children are, are, you know, past that age when they've been away for a few years. Uh-huh. But, uh, it's kind of different. Yeah, yeah, it is. It, uh, I, I note that I had, taken care of my grandchildren recently while my daughter and her husband had been out of town. Uh-huh. And I do not envy these mothers or these fathers that have these, the children that they have to rush home from work and pick them up at day care, get them through their homework, get them to their soccer practice get them to their piano lessons. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. I mean, that's tough. I, uh, I don't envy these young parents I'm an assistant Scout Master and that's, that's it's like, uh, yeah,
parents, uh, even rarely see their kids for weekends, which is, you know, kind of rough, too. That's true. That's true. Especially now. I don't know. Yeah. And, and I'm finding, you know, running into these, uh, women that are wanting to have their children at the age of thirty-nine, forty, I'm thinking at the age of fifty-two, you're crazy Yeah. You're going to be doing your worst running around when you're fifty And you're absolutely nuts I, I know two women that, that, uh, let's see, one of them's forty-nine and the other one, well, the other one, I don't know what her age is, but I know she is, she is somewhere in that hairy age of half a century up there. And, uh, boy, I'll tell you, these are the, the go-gettingest, happiest people I've ever met. You know, because, Well, you can be go getting, but you can also get gray hairs and have a nervous breakdown
I'm thirty, I'm getting gray hairs already I just know it, it would absolutely exhaust me. Maybe it's because it's my grandchildren and it's not my children. Um. Maybe that's, Okay, uh, let me see, I've got two children. One is, uh, both preschoolers, one is two and one is, uh, four. Uh-huh. So, and, uh, this is my first year off, and I've always worked, uh, from the time that they were little and so I decided to hold off on my job for a while and stay home with them and spend some more time with them which I hadn't been doing. Well, I think that's wonderful. So, My children are in college.
Oh. But I teach school and I teach, uh, middle school age children. Oh. And so I see a lot of, uh, variation in what happens when kids are at home. Yeah. Uh, I have taught school ever since my children were little. Uh-huh. But the advantage of teaching school is your hours are closer to your children's and your holidays are, too. Yeah. So teaching, I think is a, a good career to have and still be able to spend a lot of quality time with kids. Well, that's what I was doing before, I was teaching for Richardson School District. Uh-huh. And, uh, it just seemed like it took a lot of my time with them being so little. Right. And it's really hard. Well, with them being as young. It was much, much harder when mine were young.
Yeah. And, uh, I really didn't have that much of a choice because my husband was trying to finish his, uh, college work and his Master's degree and so forth, Yeah. Yeah. and so it was a matter of somebody had to have a job. That's right, that's right. And that's what was kind of what, where we were, you know, we, I really didn't have to work, but I felt like I really wanted to work. Uh-huh. And I felt, I also felt like, boy, I was sure missing a lot and they were growing so fast and you know, it's like, do I really need to work, you know? Uh-huh. And I, and it, that choice was there, I really didn't have to and, you know so I did have that advantage there, but it's different staying home too, you know. Yes,
it certainly is. We, It's an adjustment to make, also. Well, I think that, uh, we need to spend more family time together with, with children today. Uh, we made a point to spend a lot of quality time and the activities that we were involved in were the activities the kids were involved in, you know, like, uh, through scouting or you know, anything like that Uh-huh. Yeah. we participated. And, uh, we always made a point to have breakfast together and supper together now. Wow, that's great. When, yeah, when, uh, the kids were in high school, it was harder to always have supper together, but we did always have breakfast together. Uh-huh. So, we, we had supper together as much as possible, but when it wasn't feasible, you know, we kind of kept a master calendar and when it wasn't feasible, well, that was understandable, Uh-huh. but uh, we've always tried to spend time to talk and, uh, have some time, together time
Yeah. and we sat around the table, we didn't sit in front of a T V or that kind of thing. Wow, that's great. So I think that's been important, because we do have a close family Uh-huh. and even though the kids are basically, uh, grown, uh, they still like to sit down at the table and us all eat together when they're here and uh, have spoken before of, they want that kind of, you know, situation for them when, you know, and their children when they marry and have children. Uh-huh. Yeah, kind of goes on. Uh-huh. They do what they see, you know. That's right. They model and, with the dysfunctional families today, I'm sure, with a, as a schoolteacher also, you see what happens to these kids when these families never communicate or they're dysfunctional as far as the, between, uh, oh, second families, uh, one parent families or all those kinds of problems that they have Uh-huh. Yeah. Uh-huh, yeah. and then you see them magnified in the children.
Yeah. Plus, you teach middle school, so I'm sure that, Oh, boy, yes. You are really, you really, boy, oh, boy. I taught early childhood Uh-huh. so I had the little ones. Yes. And, uh, you know, I saw it there, too, and you, you know, you just oh, it's, it's, kind of an eye-opener. It is. So, It is. And I think most teachers realize the value of quality time with children Uh-huh. and I think we make a point to do that. Yeah,
I think you're right. Because we see we see all the time, the outcome of not doing that Yeah. and I think if we weren't so interested in children, in child care, then we wouldn't be teaching anyway. Right. So, Right. Uh, I wish we could reach more of the rest of the world Yeah, yeah. I think, uh, the major problems in education are not what's happening in the schools, it's what's happening in the families. I agree, yeah. And, uh, they expect us to, you know, have, create miracles at school and fix all the problems and take over the roles of the parents as well as that of the teachers Yeah. and you get to a point where it's completely impossible. Yeah, I agree. I, I know exactly what you're saying
And you just get more and more frustrated and yet, you feel for the, the kids. You do the best you can but, Okay, uh, what do you consider an invasion of privacy? Uh, I was just now told that's what the topic was and, uh, I guess invasion of privacy, uh, to me, for example would be unauthorized use of credit cards for example. Uh-huh. And, uh, I guess recently one of the T V stations here, uh, ran a series of, uh, news casts on unauthorized credit card usage and how easy it was to get a person's credit card numbers. And use it It's very easy. and I was quite surprised at that. I guess I can consider myself fortunate that, uh, it never happened to me. Now, I've never, I've never had that happen to me either. I don't know what I'd really do if it did. What do you think about places, like I was in Michael's the other night and charged something, and they asked for my home phone even though, you know, the charge had been approved. What do you think of that? Uh,
Does it bother you to give it? No, not really because I'm listed in the phone book. If I was the type of individual that, uh, had an unlisted number, I, I think I would be hesitant to give it. You know that they, they now have a, uh, I believe it's a federal law that you do not have to give your phone number on charge tickets. One of the things that upset me when I lived in California was, uh, they did a lot of things with your Social Security number. Security number, uh-huh. As a matter of fact, they even went to the point of printing our Social Security number on your driver's license. Oh. And they would not cash checks unless they had your Social Security number, so we had our Social Security numbers imprinted on our checks. Uh, uh-huh. And I was really, you know, unhappy about that situation. I think that was an invasion of privacy. Privacy, yes, yes. I can see, you know, where that was. I, I don't mind my phone number and address or work phone being given, you know, when I have to cash a check.
I don't see any need for it when I'm charging something, but I, neither am I a person that has the guts to say, no, I'm not going to give it to you, either Right. You know, and, uh, One of the biggest things, I think that's going on in this country right now is the selling of, uh, mail lists and things like that. Yes, yes. You know, uh, recently we, uh, I purchased some magazines, U S NEWS and FORBES magazine. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And every since that day, I have been inundated with, you know, uh, subscriptions to this, subscriptions to that, uh, this news letter, this investment letter, uh, even to the point of people calling me at home. And prior to me ordering these magazines, I never got those kind of calls. Right, right. And, I discovered with, uh, charge cards, uh, I feel like that I don't know whether it's the stores themselves that sell the list or whether the, uh, uh, credit report bureau sells it, but I get catalogs from people I've never even heard of. Uh-huh. And I know they have to be coming from my charge cards, you know.
From some, some list, yeah. From some list, you know, that knows that I have a, say a charge account at, at Neiman's or something because then I'll get catalogs that, you know, are within that range that I would never order from ordinarily, Uh-huh. Right. and, uh, you know, and I get, I get tired of that. I, because I look at all that junk mail, and I think of how inept our post office is and how that's taking up you know, all their time to sort All their time. and they're not even paying full postage. Sure. You know, and if you did away with some of that, our postal service might give better service. I think the general public would be, you know, uh, tremendously upset if they knew how easy it is for, uh, let's say the criminal individuals to, to get access to people's records, uh, their credit cards driver's licenses, checks, things like that. Right. Uh-huh. Uh, I don't think anybody really knows what to do about it. No, no. Computers caused a lot of this, I'm sure.
Well, you know, let's face it, computers can be gotten into very easily if you, if you really have the, the know with all, if you're, you know, so inclined to, uh, oh, what do I want to say, have the smarts to be able to tinker with something like that. You know, and have a basic knowledge, Sure. they're very easy to get into. To tap into a system. Seems as though they are, yeah. Uh-huh, you know, and, uh, which is scary, I mean, you know, our lives are on computers. Unfortunately. And, uh, and I don't know, I kind of, I resent the calls of an evening trying to sell me something. Uh, Fortunately, I haven't, uh, haven't, uh, been inundated with that situation yet. We are constantly, it seems like. I don't know why. You know, either wanting to clean our carpet, sell us storm windows, Okay, Jerry, I guess tonight's topic is about recycling.
Uh-huh. And I'd like to tell you first of all what's happening in our community here in Plano. All right. Right now we have a pretty nice recycling program where a lot of the recyclable materials can be picked up by the, by the collection agency or the, the city along with your garbage can. Uh, you can put out newspaper, you can put out glass, you can put out aluminum cans, you can put, put out certain types of plastic material and that is on a roll out effort right now. Not all the citizens and the people in Plano can go ahead and, uh, participate right now, but, uh, that will be rolled out to everyone, I hope, in the next year or so. And those that aren't participating, they have the specific drop off sites where you can take glass and newspaper and aluminum. And I think, uh, overall that's an, an excellent opportunity because I hate to see our landfills being filled up and, uh, growing bigger and bigger and bigger where they are becoming a big problem for not only the people that are living today, but for the future also. So, Yeah, uh, I was How about your community? My community, that's cute.
I live in a place called Dye Mound. Dye Mound? Or Dye Community. Uh-huh. And it's not a city, not incorporated, my nearest neighbor's about a half a mile at least, I can't even see their house and, uh, Sounds like a place where I grew up Yeah, I mean, uh, I'm out in, I'm out in the wilderness. Literally. Well, I like it. And, uh, well, give you an idea, it's three and a half miles of dirt road to the concrete, I mean, to the asphalt, we're out there. Uh-huh. And, uh, we, I do some interesting recycling things. Well, good. I'm building our house right now and I'm going to incorporate into my, uh, garage area a weight activated, uh, crusher.
Oh, okay. So when I drive the car in the, in the driveway in the afternoon, it, it will just drive it up on a ramp that actually puts me on top of the, the, uh, pressure side of a, uh, hydraulic cylinder. Uh-huh. And the weight of the car will crush, what's ever in the disposer. Oh. hopefully, it's not my wife. Well, let's hope not. You can be, uh, get in trouble for that. Well, I thought I'd, you know, I'd use it as a, an escapement type thing. I don't know if you're familiar with that operation, but, what you do is you just build up the pressure Uh-huh. and then you go over and release it and then it just, it just drops, you know. Well, it's quite similar to a hydraulic jack, isn't it? Very similar, yeah. Okay, okay. Well, what, what it will be, you just, you drive up on the jack,
but you, it won't go down. Yes, until you release it. Until you pull the pin, yeah. All right. Anyway I have another, uh, recycling method I use. I think, Yes. You know all that junk mail you get? Oh, yes, I sure do. The glossy paper that says, buy this, and send off for that and you have won and all that. Uh-huh. Well, anytime they send me a return envelope I put all that stuff back in the envelope plus the other stuff that I, you know, happen to gather up. Uh-huh. Oh. Because, uh, well, like I say, we live a way and when you throw trash away, you throw it in my yard. Yes.
And I don't like that No. so I don't do that. So I take it and I send, and I mail it back to them. Well, great. That's excellent. I've had four companies actually stop mailing me stuff. Well, uh, if a lot of people did that, then we wouldn't have a lot of this junk mail. That's a great idea. I hadn't thought about that and we might be able to incorporate some of that. One thing, Yeah. Well, I think one of the, the best ways to eliminate, uh, or help the recycling problem is to eliminate non reusable items. Right. For instance, uh, I saw a thing on, uh, NOVA, I think it was the other day. Uh-huh. This guy has designed recyclable materials, I mean recyclable items. Right.
Whatever he makes, it's all out of the same thing. Oh. See, so, plastic, it's all out of plastic. Yes. If it's metal, it's all out of metal. It's, he's a design, he's a engineer, designing stuff. Well, that's a great idea, that's a great idea. And, and, incorporating, you know, reusable materials into your, uh, you know, your assembly line into your actual scheme of product operations is is the only way to really do it on a, on a broad scale. Products. Yes. Make it financially, uh, attractive to recycle Uh-huh. and somebody will find a way to make money at it. Yes, they will. And, Exactly. Well, there is a guy in Dallas, that's all he does.
Huh. He collects trash. You know, and, Well, that's a full time job. Yeah, well, he's, he's out for cardboard. Yes, well, I've found out, too, that, uh, you know, a couple years ago, we've always been recycling newspaper for the last twelve years, and at one time we could get a pretty good return, uh, with the Boy Scouts. We could take and collect the newspaper, So, are you a news person? Uh, I really am, I enjoy, I enjoy listening to the news and getting as much as I can. Although, you know, I'm a full time student and I work full time, too, so, or not full time, but I work quite a bit and so so I mostly depend on the radio, you know, on the way to work. Yes. I like, I like to listen to national public radio, uh, all things considered.
Yes, great show. Yeah, and I like to listen to that and catch, you know, I don't get, I don't get a lot of, uh, sometimes I don't get the current events, you know. Because that show kind of has feature stories that might not directly deal with, uh, you know, some important issue on the day. But, Yeah, so, so the real, the real current news and, the hard news is, is not, there is not really enough of it there. Yeah. Right, that's right, yeah. Yeah, I've had, I've had that frustration, too. I end up switching stations from time to time. Yeah Yeah, you, you you like N P R uh, programming? Uh, in general. Yeah.
Uh, I watch a lot of C N N uh, and C SPAN. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, I, I subscribe to three newspapers. Uh-huh. Uh, you know, I sort of can't get enough of this. Yeah. And, and I, when I travel elsewhere, I'm often amazed at the local papers how little they have. Of world, world events and national events. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, in, in Dallas, what are the, what is the newspaper situation? Well we we, we have a, a big newspaper situation. Uh, because, we used to have two newspapers up until, uh, last Sunday and a, uh, major, uh, a, one of our major papers just closed down. They closed shop, and said, well, we can't put any more papers out, we're done. Was, was that the, the better paper or , Yeah,
I thought so. It was a, it was a more effective paper as far as I was concerned. It, it had, uh, uh, it got to the news, you know, and gave you the dirty facts pretty quick and easy. Uh, which I like. Uh-huh. I don't, I don't like to, you know, I like to save the editorial information or the the politically, uh, weighted information, you know, for the, for a different section. I like just to get to the, you know, find out what's happening pretty quick. Yes. And I feel that the other newspaper, uh, the the DALLAS MORNING NEWS is the one that's still here. The TIMES HERALD is the one that closed up Uh-huh. And, uh, the, the MORNING NEWS was, was, is okay, but, you know, you have to wade through a lot of editorial garbage as far as I'm concerned. Uh-huh. You know, many times it doesn't doesn't reflect my own opinion and, But if you, if you were to look at the front page of today's MORNING NEWS MORNING TIMES rather, would you, would you see things about what is going on in Europe? Uh-huh. No, no,
that's the problem. Oh. But, you know, you see, you see Troy Aikman's knee surgery on the front page, you know. Whoever Troy Aikman is. Yeah, a, a quarterback for the Broncos or for the, for the Cowboys. Okay. Uh, you know, you know, you know what I mean Yeah. that, there is, uh, local news that, uh, that really a lot of times doesn't, doesn't change, change my life one way or the other. Yeah. So, uh, I guess it's current events, but not the kind of current events that changes the world. Right, right, yeah Not something you'll, you'll, uh, be interested in ten years from now by any means. You know. Yeah. How, how about you? Uh, I guess in Washington, D C you guys have several papers that are pretty pretty effective don't you?
Yes. A lot of them. I, I rather like the WASHINGTON POST. Yeah. But, I also get the NEW YORK TIMES and the WALL STREET JOURNAL. Uh-huh. Uh, and, uh, each of them covers different things in, in in different ways Right. and so it's, you know, if I only looked at one of them I would have a different clearly would have a different perspective on the world. Right, yeah. Uh, I, I have a question. Uh, does, does the WALL STREET JOURNAL, uh, I, I've kind of gathered lately that, uh, maybe their information is not just only related to business. Is that, is that a correct assumption? That, that is certainly true. Uh-huh. Uh, they will, they will have articles, like a few days ago they had a, a nice article on Einstein, you know theory of relativity. You know, that started on the front page ran in, into the full, almost full page inside. Oh.
Oh. Uh-huh. Now, these are feature kind of articles. Wow. All the, all the, uh, you know, the bulk of the paper certainly is about business kinds of activities. Right. But, but there is some very good other articles uh, you'll find in the, in the JOURNAL. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Do you find that you're, uh, uh, disappointed or pleased with, uh, uh, the performance of like network coverage of news? Uh, I wish it were in more depth. Uh-huh. Uh, that doesn't mean to say longer, just more facts would be nice. Uh-huh. Uh, C N N has, has, you know, was, was pretty good during the war. Oh, yeah, definitely. Uh, and they were, you know, sort of had a unique vantage point for, for doing that reporting. Uh-huh.
So, but, you know, it's not, it's never quite, All right. Uh, exercise huh Yeah. Uh, as a matter fact, I work out in the mornings. I belong to Presidents. Uh-huh. And, uh, I have got a routine for every morning of the week and I don't work out on Saturday or Sunday Uh-huh. but, uh, I do, I do a combination of, uh, uh, running and weight training They set that up for you. No, I, uh, actually I just, uh, joined on my own and I have been thinking about getting with a, uh, one of their counselors just so see what, uh, they might have to offer as far as, uh, alternatives. Uh-huh. But, I pretty much, uh, worked on my own routine. And, uh, what kind of running do you do? They have got the track on the inside. Uh-huh.
And, uh, I run one mile on Monday, Wednesdays and Fridays and then on Tuesdays and Thursdays, I run two miles. Uh-huh. And then after that, I work out with weights. Is is just aerobics or, Uh, I work out with free weights. No, uh, I mean the running. Oh, uh, yeah. It is really the, uh, aerobic work out part. You do it, you do a mile in about eight minutes or less? Uh, about seven minutes. Uh-huh. Yeah. Then you wouldn't, then you don't get, uh, out of breath. Uh, no I do Oh. Yeah,
that is, that is a pretty good clip and I am pretty winded by the time I get done. Oh. So, But, I mean it's not pushing it real hard, like, you know, if you tried to make six or something like that. Oh, yeah. I, I, uh, could probably go faster, but then I would wear myself out Right. And I wouldn't be able to work out anything else. Uh-huh. Yeah. How about you? Yeah, I, I don't run much any more. I did when I was in school. Uh-huh. Right now I just lift, uh, weights and do push ups and sit ups Uh-huh. and, and I, uh, jump rope a little bit
Uh-huh. and that is about it Yeah. And I don't, I don't lift any heavy weight, uh, they are about a third of my body weight. Oh, I see. So this, uh, do you just try and keep them, I guess, uh, firm and, uh, Yeah and uh, uh, I play the trumpet and the, uh, the more upper body strength, the easier it is to play. Yeah, uh, that is true. You have to do a whole lot of sit ups and, uh, and then, uh, I hurt my neck, uh, about three years ago. Yeah. So, you really have to build up around your neck and your shoulders to keep from, uh, hurting yourself when you play high. Oh, I see. You have to, you have to do it correctly, you know, it is like an exercise in itself,
but a lot of people, uh, strain themselves doing it. Oh, I see. Uh, so you are in, uh, in part of a band? Uh, I play at Church. Oh, I see, I see I use to play an instrument when I was in high school, but it wasn't the trumpet Yeah. So, I was just wandering if that was what it was or something. I think, Uh-huh So do you have any plans of maybe running more when the weather gets nicer? Well, yeah, uh, well the weather is nice except for when it rains, you know I mean in Dallas. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I keep thinking about it, but that doesn't mean it gets done.
I, I mostly jump rope more. Uh-huh. You know. Yeah, I use to do a little bit of jumping rope, uh, when I was, uh, well a while back I was more into basketball Uh-huh. and, uh, I could do a lot of jump rope and other jumping exercises to try to build my calves. Uh-huh. And, uh, but, it has been a while since I have done that. Yeah. I do a toe lift and squats for that. Right. But you know it, it doesn't, uh, doesn't, uh, accustom your legs to the kind of strength that you have like when you are running for a long time. Right. They tend to tighten up whenever, whenever you have to do something at, uh, uh, great length of time. Uh-huh. Yeah, I, I, uh, that is true. I have noticed that, uh,
And it also builds too much mass if you just, you know. Uh-huh. So, it is like, I, I lift weights with about the same curl weight as I do the squats with. Uh-huh. And, uh, then it doesn't bother me very much. Yeah. Yeah. Huh. That is interesting though. Uh, I have been thinking of changing, uh, I have done the same routine for almost two years now and I am thinking of, uh, changing it up. Uh-huh. Uh, that is why, well, you know, I was thinking to talking to one of their counselors and seeing what different exercises they could get me on to, uh, get out of the routine. Right. Because I have heard that, you know, you get locked into a routine then you are going to get to a point where you just stop developing. Uh-huh. So, I am looking at changing things a little bit. Yeah, that is, uh, I have started doing more push ups and, and it has helped a lot
and then I add sets to it so that I don't like you said, wear it out. Uh-huh. I don't try to push it so the end in one set. Yeah. Okay, uh, clothing at work. Um, I work as a news reporter, and a lot of, Oh. I work in a, since I work in a small station, this is my first job Uh-huh. and so, I dress very variedly if that's a word. Um, sometimes I'm shooting and doing photography, and so I'll be in jeans one day, and another day I'll be on camera, Uh-huh. and so I'll be in a suit and another day I'll come in and I won't know what I'm doing,
so I'll wear a pant suit in case I have to shoot. Yeah, uh. Oh. So, it really varies. I try to dress very comfortably. I don't really like dressing up at all. Oh, me neither I don't, I don't wear a lot of makeup or anything like that. Yeah. I just, I don't know, it just, it takes too much time out of my day, and I don't, I don't know Yeah, same here. I don't mind not wearing any makeup Yeah, I don't mind it at all. Um. Um, I work at a bakery because I'm a, still a, a college student. Um.
Uh-huh. Okay. But, we, we have to wear white pants and, um, any color T shirt, as long as it's not like a bright color, like a pastel. White pants in a bakery. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, the bakers wear all white Okay. And we wear aprons and have to pull our hair back and so. What's the name of the bakery? Oh, Italian I guess. Yeah it's Italian bakery. And, uh, so, I don't mind having, having to wear a uniform, because I don't have to buy, you know right, as you know, many clothes. New clothes and stuff. Yeah, that's one thing I would like, is just to sort of have, I really don't like uniforms but, just to have something I don't have to get up and decide what to wear. Oh, yeah.
Yeah. That just bugs me to death. I know I do that every day for school Oh, yeah. Yeah, but I, I like to wear comfortable things like cotton and baggy things and. Sweats and. Yeah. Yeah, when I was in school, I was a sweat monster. Yeah All I had was sweats, and when it was time to go out, I didn't have anything to wear. Yeah, I know, I don't have very many dress clothes but I don't mind, Yeah. I don't need them yet
Yeah. Um. Um, let me see. I hate shoes. If I didn't have to have shoes, I wouldn't have them. Oh, really. I just, oh, my feet bother me, and they're just tedious Oh. to go find shoes for me, it's just, I don't know. I wear size nine Oh. and it, I don't know if just the shoes I get, I either don't like them or they don't fit right, and I just wish that I could just go without them. Um. Oh, wow, I love shoes. Oh, really. I always buy shoes Oh.
Yeah. Just the opposite. But, um, let's see, what else do I wear? Um, if I were in a bigger market, when I do get into a bigger market, I'll probably go out and buy a bunch of suits and things, and, uh, where I wouldn't have to shoot and do a lot of other things and I could then I would be able to dress more business-like and things like that, Uh-huh. but we're all kind of just out of school at this station, Yeah. and so we're all, you know, still in sweats, really. Oh. So, it's pretty fun though. I like the look, the, the like suit look, professional like, you know, look, but I, I really don't have much of an opportunity to wear it Yeah. Um I'm going to be a teacher, I. so I'll probably just wear casual clothes, maybe skirts and some. Oh. Yeah.
I like this, the, uh, suits with the, they come like with a mini type skirt you know, and the jacket. Oh, yeah. I like that, but but I'm pretty short, Yeah, that is cute. I'm five four, and so that really doesn't flatter me, but I think it looks good on taller people. Yeah. I'm five three and Are you? Yeah. Yeah, any time I go to the store, I mean, I, I have like two pairs of pants, because I can never find any that are short enough for me Oh, really? and it's just, oh, ridiculous.
Pants, too, I could do without those. Oh. Pants, shoes. I like the like stretch pants, the cotton ones. Yeah, those are nice. They're really comfortable. Those are nice. With a baggy sweatshirt. Yeah, those are nice. And, tennis shoes. My boyfriend's got me these L A Gear. They're kind of big and hefty tennis shoes. Oh, yeah. And it, it's just like a chore to pick up my feet. Because I'm used to wearing the little white girl tennis shoes. Oh Oh, yeah The little ones. I have a pair of those.
Yeah. Yeah. And I'm used to those. They're just sort of, you know, like your feet Yeah. I mean, you don't feel them. You put these things on, it's, it's, you know, like exercise or something for your feet. And I have to wear them because he gets upset if I don't. So so, so how do people in Wisconsin dress? Oh, yeah Warm this time this time, of the year pretty warm. Warm. Sweaters and. I grew up in New York, and so I know what warm is. Like five pairs of socks and, Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, sleeping in sweats or long underwear. My parents keep the house cold Hello. Hi. Okay, I pressed one so I guess we're recording now. Okay. Okay, um. Um, as far as spare time, they talked about, I don't, I think, who has any spare time I've got a, a six year old and a, um, well, my baby's one today. Um. Today's his birthday. Um. And I'm also, I'm expecting, and, so, I, I don't know,
I haven't had much spare time lately but, Okay, well, I've, I have had some because I was working for P I E, and they went bankrupt so I've got quite a bit of spare time right now. Oh, uh-huh. And I've been making dolls, cloth dolls. Oh, have you? Uh-huh. Oh. And, uh, You sew the bodies and everything? Yeah, it's a, they're all cloth. It's not, uh, any porcelain at all. So, so you just sew everything up, huh? Yeah Oh. and I make the clothes for them.
Uh-huh. What kind And. do they have yarn hair or, Um, no, you can get the little curly hair at the craft shop. Oh, uh-huh. Oh. I made some of them with that hair and then, uh, don't ask me what the other hair I made, it looked like, um, it looked, well, I made some of them with regular wigs. Oh, did you? I went to the flea markets and bought, you know, like the wigs for a dollar. Oh, uh-huh. Then I cut a V shape out of the back of them and then sewed them on. Oh, my goodness. It sounds like you're creative. They looked really cute
Uh, do you sell them? I have sold five of them, so far. Oh, have you? Uh-huh. I just have to get a place where, you know, I can sell them actually. Yeah, I bet. How long does it take you to make one? Uh, if I would just work all day long, making the clothes and everything, probably about two and a half days. Oh, really? Uh-huh. Oh. So. Do you enjoy it? Yes Yeah. I really do. Uh-huh. And, then I also crochet and,
I, I, I can crochet and knit. Um, actually, I started an afghan, but it's been a whole long time ago probably over a year ago Yeah. and it's sitting in my closet half done right now, but, it's a knitting one. And, Yeah. I tried knitting first, but, I don't know, I, I didn't like it. Oh, didn't you. So then I went to crocheting, but now I want to learn how to knit again. Oh. I You know. Yeah, I enjoy knitting. I, I kind of like that,
but I just, like I say, haven't done it for a while. Uh-huh. And I do like sewing sometimes. I, I've made a few of the, you know, just the little valence curtains in my house, and things like that. Uh-huh. But, it, it's just finding the time for these things that you you enjoy. Yeah, yeah. But, Yeah, I, in fact, I just bought a serger in December. oh, I would love one of these. Yeah. Oh, that's neat. I haven't done everything on it yet, you know, but just what little bit I have used it for, I really like it. Oh, those are wonderful aren't they. You know, especially making the seams and things like that you know, it's, it's got such a professional finish on them. Oh, yeah, that, and that's what I hate doing is the finishing stuff.
Yeah. It'd be nice to have that. So I like that. Oh, that's neat. And. Well, do you have, um, uh, I guess you're kind of young, I was going to say, do you have grand kids or anything to make dolls for. Well, fifty-seven's not young, but no, my son's, has been married for almost ten years, but they don't have any children. Oh, uh-huh. So, I just make clothes for my dolls. Oh, well. Well, how did you get involved in that? Just, you know, just like sewing and stuff and decided to buy a pattern and try to make a doll. So you did buy a pattern, and then started from there. And they, they turned out really cute. Yeah,
you got to have a pattern for the body you know. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And, uh, have you ever seen those bunnies that they dress? Yes. Yes. Yeah, I, I did make some clothes for one of those dress one of those. Aren't they cute? Yeah, I have quite a few of them actually in my house, I, and most of them I have bought, um, already clothed, but I did I did make the dress on one, Uh-huh. and I kind of made the pattern up. It's not, it's probably not the best but No, I, I bought a bunny pattern one time,
but when I sewed it up, the face of it looked like a mouse. Oh, it did? Uh-huh. Oh. See, it was too pointed. Oh. So I tore it back apart again, and I haven't tried another one. You haven't sewn it back up, huh? No, but I bought a little lamb pattern and the material and everything to make it out of, but I haven't made it yet. Uh-huh. Uh, do you do any kind of painting or anything? No, I don't paint, except I stenciled my wall. Uh-huh. Oh, uh-huh. I I tried that, I did, I, I ended up just stenciling a, um, a blind, like a, just a roller shade.
Uh-huh. But, I, I can, I had a hard time stenciling. For some reason I just couldn't do it. Oh, really? And people have told me it's very easy. Oh, yeah, I, my neighbor did it first and I seen her house and I saw how beautiful it looked, so then I decided well, I was going to do it, and uh, it turned out really, really good. Well. What design did you use? Uh, mostly flowers you know. Oh, uh-huh. And, what room? I've done it in the all, uh, all my rooms. Have you? I put it in the bedrooms and the bathroom, Where are you, Bob?
I am in Plano. Where are you? Oh, okay. I am in Waco. Is that right? Yeah. Oh, okay. Right down the street. Oh, credit cards. My favorite subject You mean you use credit cards? Oh, do I. I bet you used them all up over Christmas. Yeah, mostly over Christmas. Uh, I get in a rut with credit cards cause they get me kind of in a vicious cycle. Where you use them a lot one month and then you have to use whatever money you have to pay those off And then your are in debt. and so then you have no money, so you use a credit card. I understand that.
Yeah. Uh, I probably have one of every credit card there is. Do you use them a lot? Well, uh, it kind of comes and goes, uh, I use uh, Citibank, the, uh, Advantage one pretty much cause you get vantage points for every dollar you spend. Uh-huh. Once a year, I get a free airplane ride that way. Oh. So, as long as you pay it off every month, it doesn't cost you anything. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that is a good idea. Is that that through a VISA? That is what I, Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Huh. But, uh, I got all sorts of credit cards for my business that I use but, uh, If I can get away with paying them off every month, it is alright.
Uh-huh. If I don't then it gets expensive Yeah. That is my problem. I don't try and pay them off. I pay, like the minimum. Well you shouldn't do that. I know So I have got myself, You never, you never get out of the hole that way. Exactly. I have got, that is why I have got myself with all this trouble now. But, I pay most of them on time and everything. It is just the, I always have them. So, it is kind of strange. Kind of like the federal government right? Oh, yeah. Exactly like the government In, In debt.
Can't never get out of debt. And every time you try to get out of debt, the economy goes to pot because people are spending money, right. Yeah. Have they put the cap on the interest rates? No. I didn't know if they actually did that or not. I know they were considering it. Just the people who don't need credit get the four and a half percent. The rest of the, uh, and me, we have got to pay fourteen and eighteen percent. Uh-huh. Yeah. Funny how that works, isn't it The, thou who doesn't need credit, gets cheap credit. I would be interested to find out how many people, or how much, uh, people use credit this year. Say in nineteen ninety-two as opposed to nineteen ninety-one, even nineteen ninety. I think, I think it would be amazing how much, how many more people use it. Well, I think so because the, Because of the economy. That's right. Yeah.
You have got to use everything you have got just to stay where you are at. Exactly. I would be very, I would like to see some numbers on that. I think that would be interesting. Do you, do you have any, uh, credit union where you work or anything like that? Yeah, I have a credit union. Do they have a Mastercard or VISA card? Yeah, they do. Uh-huh. You have got that one. Yes, I do Yes, I do a matter of fact. Who, who do you work for? Uh, I work for Channel six. Oh. It's it's an N B C affiliate down here.
I do a lot of work down in Waco, a lot of, I call on a lot of my business is down there. Oh really. Oh, okay. Where do you work? What is your, I sell metal fabricating equipment and tooling. Oh, okay. Tyme and Mercury and Tempco and all those people down there. Oh, okay Uh Gene So you probably work with, uh, uh, what is the boy from here? You ever work with Davis? Davis Iron? Davis Iron Work, yeah. Yeah, matter of fact I just saw them last week. Oh, okay.
And, uh, what else. Are you in that part, are you in the south part of town now? Well, I live actually in Hewett. Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah, right outside. You know Do you know Parker Machine Tool down there. So, that is where Davis Iron Works is. Uh. Bobby Parker and, uh, I don't think I have seen that one. I am sure I pass by it or something, but I am not sure. There is a place in Hewett, called, it is a new company called Prime Air. That is in Hewett. Just around the corner from Davis Iron Works. Huh. Prime Air. They make, uh, humidifiers and uh, filters for air filtration stuff for hospitals, homes, something like that. Oh, okay.
Okay. Have you ever been to Marlin? Uh, yeah. I think it is Marlin or Mart. They have, uh, uh, a place, I guess that would be similar to Prime Air. It is called H G H or something like K G H or, Oh, really. Huh. I can't think of it. I can't think of the name. Huh. But, I will have to stop in there. I went, I have gone through there, uh, my oldest son goes to A and M. Oh yeah. He is working on his Master's. The Navy sent him there for his Master's. Mostly in engineering. So, once and a while we go up six there rather than take forty-five. Yeah.
That is about the last time I have been through Marlin and Mart Uh-huh. Oh, I don't like that drive. I make that drive sometimes we have stories out there but, uh, There is always a state trooper down there. Huh. You have got to drive careful. Oh, really I know. Between Mart and Marlin, they will nail you if you go over sixty miles an hour. Oh, goodness. They, they are bad at Hewett too. On eighty-four. Uh-huh. They are real bad. That is where I got my last ticket. So, of course, I couldn't pay that on a credit card. Well, I was just wondering if you had had any experience with, um, the care of the elderly. Yes,
I have. In fact, uh, just a little over, just a little less than a year ago, uh, my mother went to be with the Lord, and we cared for her the last, oh, seventeen months of her life here in the, at home. Aside from, uh, having to, uh, take her to the hospital Uh-huh. and, uh, you know, those times, well, she was there in the, the regular hospital. Right. And then she was diagnosed having inoperable type of cancer, and so the doctor elected to have her, uh, finish out, uh, in the hospice program. Uh-huh. And, uh, I, as far as I'm concerned, that is far and above any nursing home, because, uh, she's around her own you know, the, the elderly parent in question is around their own family. The, uh, hospice program provides a hospital type bed. Well, it is a hospital bed, and all the oxygen, stuff and a, uh, and a visiting nurse at least every other day, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Well, that's nice. And it's all taken care of by, by, uh, Medicare, uh, and, uh, it, it's, it's really neat, uh. And I, you know, I wouldn't, I wouldn't banish, uh, my old loved one to a, to a warehouse. No. And that's, that's what I basically, uh, view a nursing home as, a warehouse, so that's, It's really sad Pardon me?
It's really a sad situation. Uh-huh. And, uh, I think a lot of people struggle with. I, I guess the problem is that the spouse of whoever, you know, the parent is, doesn't always want the in-law living in the house. Oh . Uh-huh. Is that right? Right. Well, that's really sad. Yeah, I know. But, uh, in this case, uh, spouse and I, uh, are, uh, we're, are, are, uh, united in this area because, I guess her father, her grandfather and grandmother both lived with, uh, her parents, uh, their golden years too, Uh-huh. so this isn't like, uh, uh, just one, one, uh, instance. Uh-huh. In fact, uh, her, uh, uh, experiences were, were invaluable to me. Uh-huh. Uh, in fact, I don't know if I could have, uh, held up, uh, you know, without my wife, uh, helping in this, this, in this case. Right. Yes.
Well, I know when the, I remember being a child and my grandmother had had several strokes and things, and that we had, my parents tried to keep her in the house, and they did for a long time. I couldn't, tell you how long, until she got, uh, where she had to have complete care, Uh-huh. and so , they couldn't, you know, keep her in the house anymore, Uh-huh. and it was really hard on everyone. She had to have, you know, twenty-four hour a day care. And I don't remember much about it except that there was a nursing home at that time just a block or two from our house. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. And that, um, they put her there, and we all went just constantly until she died. Oh, okay. But it was very hard on everyone to see, you know, grandmother be like that, and I don't know that, you know, I don't, being so young, I don't remember why. You know, what was, why she had to go there. Uh-huh. Well, maybe, well, as, as you say, the care of, of grandmother or was, was just such that such mom and dad couldn't handle it. Uh-huh. Well, I do remember that she was, you know, totally incapable of taking care of herself in any way.
Oh, boy, yeah. And that that, they couldn't, they found that they could not you know, give her the hygienic care and everything that she needed. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Well, then, then there's almost, then there's almost no, no, uh, uh, choice left to her then No, but like you say, there is a tendency for people to be abandoned, though, you know, in the nursing home. Uh-huh. I do remember the other patients there, uh, being real excited when we came to see our own grandmother, because they got some interaction with someone. Right. In fact, just, uh, just, uh, sit and chat with them for five minutes and, and be interested in what they have to say regardless of what it is. Uh-huh. Right, right. And I guess that's hard on people to give, give up their lives. If they're busy they don't you know. Uh-huh It's easy to abandon people, because we do have the nursing homes, I guess. Right.
If you can afford them. But, anyway. Well, I'm, glad it worked out good for your family. And then, then, Oh, yeah, it did, and I was just I just praised the Lord that, that we were able to, uh, have, uh, uh, I pushed it. Okay. So what do you you in your lawn? Do you do it yourself or do you hire someone to do it? Uh, no we've been doing it ourselves for most of the time, uh, find that it's really a little more economical, and we have, oh, I find that I have the time, and I kind of enjoyed it over here in Texas. I used to live in Arizona, and it was very very frustrating, because I didn't have the watering system and it was, it was just too much work and not enough enjoyment. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
But over here we get enough water you know, naturally as well have the automatic sprinklers, and so it's a lot more rewarding Yeah, right. Uh-huh, uh-huh. so. Well, we do our own out here, uh, you know, mow it ourselves and everything, but, uh, our water supply right now is bad. We need rain badly Oh, that's right. Uh, we can water, here in Patterson, I can water on Tuesdays, Thursdays, Saturday and Sunday, four days a week. Uh-huh. So. Is that enough during the hotter times of the year? It was this last summer, yeah. Uh-huh. Uh, now if it, we don't get some rain, they might limit it to not even four times, you know Yeah,
yeah. but, uh, yeah, we do our our, you know, mowing ourselves and everything, and I do our planting of bulbs and things where I can have some spring flowers Uh-huh. and, uh, Yeah, I find that I've been doing a lot of perennial planting, which I never did before Uh-huh. and it's been real enjoyable, although I didn't do any this last fall, because our past winters have been so cold, um they'd freeze down, Uh-huh. and by the time they, the flowers would come back to life it was supposedly the time to pull things out for the spring and summer planting Oh. So I was getting kind of disillusioned and tired and, and spending too much money on something that was kind of more of a problem than it was rewarding, so um, I'm going to try to wait now and just do the spring and summer type plantings and see how that, you know, feels. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. We have quite a few roses.
I just, uh, we, in fact we just pruned them way down, and I just had to replace one of them, so I just bought that yesterday, and I'll probably go outside today and plant that. Uh-huh. But, um, I like to have the roses where I can have cut flowers all year long. Yeah, those are enjoyable. I even had, uh, roses on my table for Christmas dinner which was really pretty, you know Oh, did you? Uh-huh But, um, other than the roses I don't have too many flowers. I plant gladiolas Um, those are nice. and those are always pretty, but they get so tall, and they, they bend over so fast you know. Uh-huh. Yeah, yeah.
I haven't done much in, in bulbs. In fact I received as a Christmas present a, a planter that had bulbs in it, that we were supposed to go ahead and water it any time and after it started to sprout put in a sunny window, and it it just grew like crazy, Uh-huh. but I don't have any flowers on it. I don't know how long that takes, or if there's anything I need to do differently. Um. It's just nice and green right now Uh-huh, well, is it that, one of those Amaryllis? Uh, no No, huh. I'm thinking White Narcissus or something like a like a white paper flower or so. Oh, okay. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. And, uh. Do you have a big yard?
No, not really, and in Plano and most of the newer areas of Texas, uh, they have just the, the minimum square footage for lots, to where you get a little bit of a backyard, we have a pool in our backyard, and we did plan it to where we have some, some play yard left over, Uh-huh. but it's, it's, um, you know, very small. Uh-huh. But most of the houses here, if you have a pool, you don't have anything else in the backyard Yeah, right, right. that's about the size of most of them. Uh-huh, uh-huh. So, uh I guess we're kind of fortunate. Um. Everyone looks at that, with our at our yard with kind of sense of awe, like wow, you really got, you know, some grass back there. Uh-huh, uh-huh,
uh-huh. Well. Well, that makes it nice. Yeah. Well, it's hot enough here in the summer time that we could have a pool, but we don't have one you know, Uh-huh. but they are a lot of people that do have pools around here you know Yeah. Yeah. but we just, we just have dogs and, um, and grass you know, the cement work and a little play set we made for a garden. Uh-huh. Uh, yeah. Yeah. So we do have a garden, you know. It's just a small one, you know, but we, had lots of tomatoes, and, uh, zucchini Oh. it's amazing what you can get out of a little Uh-huh.
you know, it's probably about twenty by, I don't know, twenty by six, something like that, and it's amazing what you can, you know, how many plants you can plant in there Yeah, yeah. but it was nice. Few cucumbers. That's one part of gardening I haven't tried yet, and I don't think this yard is a very, Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, I guess if I had to rate it from one to ten, I guess, I would rate it a five in the aspect that I wouldn't want everybody to have guns and I think there should be limitations of, like semiautomatics. Uh, things like that should not be just given out to anybody. In fact, you know, I can't imagine anybody having a semiautomatic for what purpose. Uh, so I guess, you know, being that I come from a hunting family I'd rather have some restrictions put on weapons but yet allow hunting rifles, uh, things that people would use for sporting type of, uh, a, activity. Uh-huh. Those would be fine but when you get into a, a lot of the more complex weapons, I would say yes we need to put restrictions on them
Uh, that's I probably would have to agree with you pretty much all the way I think. Uh-huh. Uh, I definitely think that there, some things shouldn't be limited like, like you said, rifles and uh, hunting rifles and possible handguns for people who use them to, Uh-huh. Exactly, for self-protection, sure. Right. And, but I think the, I think semiautomatic weapons, people say they use them because it, for sport. But I, I personally cannot see any use for them other than, uh, for, for, like people who dislike have some sort of crazed you know, ambition to use, have high powered weapons or something. I can't imagine that. Yeah. Uh-huh. To do massive amounts of killing, uh, Right. And I mean, you can only, how much do you Yeah. The only thing that I can see is the police having it in a case where somebody is, uh, uh, you know, going to kill a massive amount of people or, uh, somebody that's escaping, that's, uh, very dangerous Uh-huh. semiautomatic would allow more rounds to be put out to hopefully catch the person and, and, uh, get him down.
Right. But, uh, you know, I, I think of my family. Uh, they're very much into sporting and, uh, you know, as far as hunting and also like, uh, clay pigeons things like that. Right. Uh-huh. So they have may have some shotguns. They may have other type of, uh, hunting type things, but I figured if the, if the criminals had to take a hunting gun out to kill somebody, more than likely, somebody would see it, you know what I'm saying versus a, you know, a small handgun, uh, that can be, you know, put right in your coat pocket Right, yeah. Yeah, that's true. and nobody would see it, but yet, you can't stop people from having, you know, a handgun in their home. Right. Even if there are small children around, there's, you know, you can't say people with small children can't have guns Uh-huh. and people without small children that may have grandchildren, you know still have these guns Yeah. but uh, I guess I, I was always taught, number one, a gun isn't a toy.
Right. Right. Uh, you know, and I don't know if that makes a difference if the parent sets down to them and say this gun can kill you, you know and don't ever play with it. Uh-huh. Right. Uh, so I don't know if that makes a difference or what but, Well, I think uh, in that I think that cases like that it's definitely, um, I think if you're to say okay, we have to get rid of them all because you know, they can only, they only seem to do bad, it, it's, uh, it's saying we're Uh-huh. The criminals would get them. I mean even if they had to go across border to get them. Right, right. And people who, people who have them and are responsible with them are, are, are being punished and people who and they're saying that people you cannot take care of things yourself or like that you're not smart enough to teach your kids how to, how to, uh, . Uh-huh. How to use, you know, to make sure the guns are put up as something as uh, not a toy. Right. Right Yeah.
Because we had guns all over our house when we were kids Uh-huh. and not that they were laying on the, uh, couch or anything like that Right. but, uh, I never had an interest in them, being in the fact that I knew that guns could kill Uh-huh. and I had four brothers and never messed with any type of guns Right. and so it was kind of the idea that we knew that a gun could kill and that a gun wasn't a toy Right. and, of course we were quite young and we went through, uh, the National Rifle, uh, Club Uh-huh. and so we were taught, you know, kind of at a, a good age, ten and eleven and twelve, to sit down with a kid and say okay, if you're going to learn how to shoot a gun, you're going to learn how to do it correctly and you're going to learn how to have safeguards and and know how to protect yourself Uh-huh. but yet have this, training so that kids aren't you know, they have to have a certain respect for it. Right.
Well I think, I mean we, I grew up in a family and, and my father had two guns Uh-huh. because he used to hunt years ago but he stopped before, really before I was old enough to remember. Sure. Uh-huh. But, and I knew we had the guns in the house and, the time my father was keeping them just for protection at the time Sure, yeah. but we, it was never, my brothers, sisters nor I never, I mean none of us ever thought well let's go look at the gun or let's go get the gun it was just something you knew was there Yes. and it was your father's and you, that was not something you'd go and play, played with at all Yeah. and I think maybe, uh, and that's the type of, the thing that should be, you know, stressed. Yeah,
I think so and I don't know if the kids nowadays are different than what Okay So, do you have, do you have the long, I guess not, not if there's, see I was raised in New York, but I guess up there you all don't have too long of a growing season, do you? Uh, well, we probably have about three months, approximately. Do do you do your own gardening? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Do you. We live on a, used to be a farm, but we don't farm much, we, uh, but we do have a garden. Huh. See I got mine in, well, let's see, I put in pepper plants this weekend. Oh.
I wish I could be doing that Yeah. I got all my little seedlings coming up in the kitchen and, I enjoy tinkering with it, you know, Uh-huh. it's pretty hot down here during the Summer, we hit, you know, a hundred, hundred and two sometimes, Right. but, you know, we don't do too much during the Summer, as far as tomatoes and stuff, like that. You almost have, to get started pretty early probably. I guess, Yeah. I can, usually I can put in, oh probably mid-March, I can put anything in the ground, you know, beets, and onions, and stuff like that. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. But then I have to wait for my, tomatoes have to go in here in the next couple of weeks Uh-huh. as soon as we're, sure we're not going to have another freeze, go ahead finish it. Yeah.
You've had more freezing this Winter, or this, yeah, Winter, I think. Yeah. We've, had just a few, you know, that freezes a little here and there, More bad weather. but every once in a while, we get a freeze around the middle of April, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and it's pretty tough. Uh-huh. Are you, do you work, or are you retired or you, No. I work, uh Uh-huh. I'm only forty years old. I have to work, Uh-huh Uh, my husbands retired. But he's not a gardener.
He, he, he's been helping me more, but he really isn't, uh, real crazy about gardening. Uh, I, I really enjoy it, it gives me time outdoors, Uh. and, you know, I'm a golfer, but, it gives me time outdoors, and time around my house, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and I, burned my grass off here in the last couple of days getting ready to start to the Spring season, and see if I can grow me another nice lawn, Oh. Uh-huh. I usually have a pretty nice lawn, it's a lot of work you know, Oh yeah. but it's, But it's a pleasure to, like you said, it's good to get outside, and and I like, I like my garden too Yeah, it is.
We didn't have to, we have just a small garden, but we planted corn last year too, which takes quite a bit of space Uh-huh. we, we didn't have too good luck with it, because the, uh, we had a couple of good, real good wind storms, and it really damaged the corn Oh yeah. so we didn't get too much corn, last year. We're going through that, we going through the dust storms down here now, uh, uh-huh. so, but I, uh, what I did with my garden, is I have a, a two by six frame that's five by ten. I have two of them sitting side by side Uh-huh. and then I put, uh, like, a black plastic, it's really not a black plastic. They call it Wedet Oh. Uh-huh. and I put that down,
and then I put up a couple of inches of pine moss on top of that Huh. and I use a, one of those black poker hoses that actually oozes water every where Uh-huh. Uh-huh. so I waste it up and down there a couple of times, and I only have to water about two hours a week Oh that's great. and it's pretty nice. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Especially during the Summer, it keeps everything wet, instead of wilting. Yeah. We don't, we don't usually cover ours. We did a few different times sometimes we've covered with the plastic, and other years we've tried newspapers Oh. and, uh, but we generally don't, we do our watering from our spring. Oh you have a spring,
Yeah. how nice. We have an old fashioned pipe sitting, that, you know, water runs into and, my husband set up a pump that runs, Uh-huh. it runs first down and then it stops, Oh that's, that's pretty nice. and when the water comes up, it comes on again, and we use that to water our garden with so, But you actually enjoy it, huh? Oh I do. I do. Do you? I love it, Get out there on your hands and knees, and crawl around. I'd rather be doing that, than housework I, I can imagine. You all have much trouble up there, with insects
or, Uh, not a well, not a whole lot. I think our cabbages, and broccolis and that in we have more trouble with, that type of thing, with the, the, With the worms? Yeah. Yeah. I have quite a bit of problem down here with the squash bugs, and haven't figured out how to get rid of those yet. Uh. Uh-huh. Do you go more for natural, keeping them off naturally, or do you, use insecticides? Yeah, I try to, no I, uh, uh, try not to use any insecticides at all. I try not to even use insecticides on my lawn, Uh-huh. Uh-huh. but, I, sometimes I can't manage. Uh-huh.
Yeah. Well, our lawn, is, is a big lawn because, because we live out in the country, and so we were not, our lawn is not perfect, you know, it's just the it's just a lawn Yeah. Well, mine's full of dandelions, now, Uh-huh. so, Do you eat any of them? No, I never have. I don't know how to prepare them. Oh, did, well, did, does your wife ever make, uh, bake in a hot bacon dressing, like for, salad? No. Huh-uh. Oh it's delicious and it goes real good on dandelions. Really. Uh-huh. Huh.
I've never eaten dandelions now I've tried dandelion wine Uh-huh. but I've never tried any dandelions just to eat. use the greens, if you get them when they're young and tender, you know, before they have grown too, too tall, Yeah. because they do get a little stringy. All right. But, uh, they're kind of fun to, to try, Yeah. get a, get a few and then throw them in with the rest of your salad sometimes. I'll try that. Yeah. Yeah. I sure will Uh, but I've been cutting our grass too lately because my husband's back, and he's been having trouble with so, wasn't allowed to run a lawn mower, Oh, Oh.
so, it takes about four hours to cut our grass. Yow. And, we have, we have hills. I'm afraid of the hills but, I'm getting on to it, So you all are into, so you all are into the lawn, big time, huh. I just pretend they're not there, and I just go ahead and do it Yeah. Yeah, I only get, well, I guess I got my, my whole section of my house is probably a tenth of an acre Uh-huh. then I have a pretty nice backyard, Uh-huh. and you know, I've got enough room to throw horseshoes. You know, couple of other , Oh, that's great. great. That's, a lot of people don't have that much space even. No,
and it's nice. I'm just inside the city limits, I'm probably a mile, mile and a half inside the city limits, and I'm only a mile, and a half from work. Uh-huh. So you have all the conveniences of, a city, Yeah. It's pretty nice. yeah, and, and the country also. I have the room outside I need, and I don't really have all the room in the house I need but, Well, you never have enough room do you think. Especially if your into any hobbies or anything. No. I have a question to ask you about gardening though. You know, those, what are they called, the, they called, uh, rolly polly bugs, that's what my son calls them anyway.
Rolly Polly what? Rolly Polly bugs. The ones that roll up in a ball. I don't know what they're called. Is it a bug, You mean? They look like they've got, Yeah. A worm? Yeah. A cutworm? No. Not a grub worm? It's not like a, no. You find them under bricks and all that stuff, where it's moist, and if, if you touch them, they roll up in a ball. Oh. I don't know what they call them. But I'm plagued with those things, Uh.
and I haven't figured out, I even called the nursery, Uh-huh. I'm trying to think of what they are, what kind, they could be. I, I don't know. You find them under bricks usually, and that. Yeah, under bricks, or under wood, or you know, if you leave a piece of newspaper in the yard too long, they get in there. They usually come out at night, but, you can find them during the daytime if you pick something up that's been laying around, They're not a slug. No. Not a, A slug is actually kind of slimy Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. and these are just, he plays with them all time,

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