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Ooh, this is a beneficial call. I like this Yeah, I liked your idea too, there. Yeah, but that one's an easy one. It's like, just put in, a friend of mine makes it where she goes ahead and seasons up the, with the soup and the wine Uh-huh. put in garlic and onion powder or chopped onions if you want to do that, you know. What ever, however much effort you feel like putting into it. Yeah. Uh-huh. But it, it makes a great, I mean, I've got a two year old and a four year old and they love it. Uh-huh. And, because my daughter calls it her gravy and I mean, she thinks it's wonderful, my, good, you're a picky eater, if I can get you to, Uh, did you watch the Bulls this morning?
You know what, I watched a little bit of, uh, of the Bulls game and I, uh, had to leave. Uh, in fact I, I think the Bulls were ahead when I, uh, when I left. Who won the game? They won in a squeaker. They won by they won by two points. Is that right? Uh, they were behind as they headed into each quarter and then they came back in the second half and at the end, I think they were, uh, looked, they looked like they were closing it out and then Detroit kept coming back and uh, Isaiah missed a three point attempt, at the end Uh-huh. and, uh, I think the Bulls won by two. I think they do, as a matter of fact. Yeah. One of the, uh, commentators said that they expected that the Bulls would, uh, if they continued at their current pace, uh, set an N B A record for seventy wins in a season. Wow. Yeah,
they looked real good and, They, they do, and they, you know, I think by, uh, by relieving some of the pressure off of, uh, of, uh, uh, Michael Jordan really helped them out. You know, he doesn't have, they don't have to rely on him to score you know, thirty or forty points at every at every game Right. so, Yeah, well, they, they're, they're balancing their attack Oh, I know, I'm, yeah, I saw the I saw the Warriors, uh, just a little bit of the highlights of the Warriors, uh, Dallas game. I saw the, the second half of the game last night and they were impressive. They look good. Billy Owens looks like he was, that was a good move for the Warriors to trade for him.
Yeah, now, I don't, uh, I haven't kept up with what was going on with, uh, with the, Well, they traded away, uh, Mitch Richmond, or is it Tim Hardaway. One of the two, uh, who, along with, uh, Chris Mullen was, you know, though three were three of the best in the N B A, and and, they made a heck of a threesome Uh-huh. and they traded either Richmond or Hardaway to Sacramento for Billy Owens and, uh, Good move. Yeah, oh, yeah, he's really worked out well. They've got the Warriors have got a team, uh, and, uh, I think that will be real interesting to see what they can do. They're ahead, and the Lakers are down, I guess in fourth, uh, position in the west and I don't know, Yeah.
in the east, I don't know, uh, is it Boston in, uh, first place? Uh, I think Boston's in first. Uh, I, you know, I haven't kept up with any of the other, uh, teams. I'm so depressed with the Dallas Mavericks, you know. Boy, they've had a hard time. They said they've lost a lot of squeakers. Oh, man! That, well, yeah, but, I mean, just this whole year has been just disastrous for them and, uh, you know, they're going, I, I think they're going for an all time record of how many you know, losses in a row they can, they they can, uh, pull out. Yeah. It's unbelievable. How do people in Texas deal with Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Do you, for example, like San Antonio in Dallas? Uh, Well, actually, actually, the, the, the Dallas area here, uh, pulls for Dallas. Uh, San Antonio pulls for San Antonio,
and Houston pulls for, for the Rockets. So there isn't much crossover, huh, There really, I mean, not a whole lot. You know, I mean, you find them, they're, find them be, to be pretty loyal, uh, in, with the local teams. Yeah. Uh, you know, it's kind of, I guess it's kind of like, uh, there in the Bay area, you know, you don't find a whole lot of, uh, of Sacramento fans. Yeah, it's true, because San Antonio isn't that close to you, are they? Really isn't, uh-uh. No. It's, you know, it's, it's about the same, uh, same distance from here to to San Antonio as it is from there to Sacramento. Is it? Yeah, so it's not something you'd drive, So it's, yeah, it's not really a local, you know, Yeah, I was thinking maybe David Robinson made a bit of a difference with kids and that sort of thing.
Uh, he does a lot of local stuff there in San Antonio and they, I mean, they have got a great club. You know. They've done a good job. I mean, of course, drafting a franchise like him certainly, Yeah Yeah that always makes a big difference. Yeah, I mean, that's So, I think the way it, uh, I think that's the way it works now in basketball. You, you know Magic was a franchise for the Lakers and, you know, uh, Bird for the, for the, uh, Celtics Yeah. and, And, you know, uh, you know, I used to think that, that one, one player really doesn't make a club, but it really does, you know. Well, it , You get somebody like Magic and you can see the decline in that team. Well, yeah.
Once he left, you know, it's, it's just not the same, uh, it's not the same team. There's not the leadership there that they used to rely on him for. Well, I think you're right and I think Isaiah Thomas would fit in Detroit and I think those things do make a difference and there are marquee players. And I think I think Jordan and the, and the Bulls have to be, uh, considered the likely favorites. Oh, yeah. I don't know who would meet them in the west. Uh, I don't know how good Portland will turn out to be by the end of the year. They were so Who won that Portland game? You know, I wasn't, I, I I watched only a few minutes of it and I wasn't paying attention. Uh, and so I don't know, uh, Uh, But Phoenix, you know, Phoenix and Portland have both been very good clubs and, Well I guess we're, uh, forced to finally, to do a lot about air pollution. I hear that the major automobile manufacturers are looking at nonpolluting cars
and low polluting fuels are being experimented with Ethanol and other types of fuels. Yeah, one of the things they asked me to ask you was where you thought the major source was coming from? Or sources. I, you know, I assume, that the major sources are cars and factories. That's what, I would think. But I, I don't know for sure. I just know that, um, acid rain apparently is a big problem in Canada from, would comes over the border from us. Right. Yeah, I think the automobile definitely is an area and any, any industry that burns, you know, and then I don't know about chemical pollution. I'm not real into that as far as how it affects the air. I know we have a lot of chemical, the indoor type pollution. They have offices that are too well insulated. They found people are getting sick, Yeah. but I don't know if that affects outside. You know, I, I think, seems to think, seems to me that's what they were asking about was outside and the thing I can, the only thing I can think of would be cars and factories.
Yeah, the smokestacks or the exhaust pipes. Yeah. Um, I guess there's been a lot of pressure to, um, do away with the C F C's in these spray bottles which, has been a real problem. Right. Yeah, that is, well that's destroying the ozone, isn't it? Again I, that's what I hear and, and there's this big debate apparently about whether the ozone, there's a hole in the ozone or not but at last I heard it was, uh, discovered that the hole was bigger than they thought, initially. Yeah, that's It's kind of scary. Well, it is scary and I think it will, uh, continue to force us to clean up our act, literally and figuratively. Yeah. We've got to learn to manage without destroying the environment. I think something too that you probably see in older states, all we, we do it down here once in a while we will have a cold spell is where people will use their fireplaces. I, I, I'm wondering whether it's going to get to the point where you can't, do that. I think it will.
In Los Angeles they're apparently going to, they've passed laws that, for habit, do you think this could possibly be prohibit? nothing elseseems to make any sense?? for example, people using, uh, barbecues *listen for habit prohibit gasoline lawn mowers, um, Uh-huh. and it's really bad in places like Los Angeles, and, it's gotten bad in Denver Right. and, and, uh, it's not too bad around here although you see it, you know, more and more in the sky. And people in this country are really wedded to their, uh, cars, Right. and our economy seems to, and this I think is one of the big problems, Yeah. In this area too since, you know, in Texas we're so spread out, Yeah. we have to drive so far, but I know in Colorado I have witnessed that where it just, uh, it just stacks up at the when the Rockies starts, but we're even getting it here. We can drive into, when we've been on vacation or something drive into Fort Worth or Dallas and you can tell it in the mornings too. My husband likes to go out and jog
and there's just a brown fog here and we don't even have any mountains that are, holding it in. Yeah. But they also said that more dense the population and the more we crowd together, the worse it gets. Well that makes a lot of sense. I mean I, I hadn't thought about it that way but it, it, You don't have to have mountains that are stopping it. Yeah. And, uh, they make, uh, making more and more high-rise buildings and, uh, so yeah, we can comment and we didn't see this a few years ago. No, and I think, It was pretty clear here. Yeah, and I think that, that more and more it's becoming apparent to people that the earth, which includes all the people on it and everything that's going on it, is a, is an organism of sorts, and that there is a, a whole set of organic relationships that if we start to destroy one part of it, it's going to tell us about it, Right. and, uh, we're going to feel it,
and I think it's going to be real interesting and particularly in light of what is obviously going to be a big structural change in the economy, uh, in this country, uh, whether people are willing to get out of their cars, Uh-huh. Yeah. and in this country, uh, the, the solution that, that people seem to think work are politically unacceptable. For example, taxing people heavily for using their cars. Yeah. And, uh, I have a little sports car that I enjoy using and I know just like anybody else how much fun it is to drive but I think, uh, we're going to have to make some fundamental changes and, and I'm, I'm not sure how long it's going to take or what it's going to take because they keep saying that the economy is going to depend on how many cars and, houses we sell. Yeah. And it's a shame too when you do see somebody driving a big car, just one person in that. It's a lot of waste but, Okay, Eric. Uh, are you married and do you have a family? Uh, yes I am to, uh, both questions. Okay and do you and your wife have a budget plan for your finances.
Uh, yeah we do. We, uh, uh, basically there's the, you know, the expenses that are fixed during the month you know the ones that come every, every month Uh-huh. and we, uh, enter those into, uh, into a spread sheet and, uh, whatever is left, uh, after that we, you know, we sit down and agree on kind of what, what sort of range we are going to generally going to shoot for. Uh-huh. I see. Uh So what do you do? Well, that's basically what we do. Uh, about every, every three months or so, we re-evaluate our budget and we sit down and just write from the largest bills down to the smallest Uh-huh. and then we divvy them up between our four pay checks. I work part time at night Wow and he works, and my husband works full times days and so we have four checks, but that works out nice because we get paid every week
and so that does help, Yeah. that helps a lot. And then, uh, we don't have a lot extra for extra spending, so it's pretty well ear marked. Yeah. All allocated out. Yeah Yeah. Yeah. Every penny is ear marked but, uh it, we have found that works the best and and so if we can just divide them up, all the major bills up. In fact, we found it easier to divide the major bills up, you know, cut the house payment in half and cut the loan payment in half, but and divide those up between all, uh-huh. All the checks, yeah. And so we are not taking a huge sum out, out of one and then the next pay check we're real short
or, Right. Yeah, we found that, uh, it's definitely helped, uh, get a handle on kind of the unnecessary expenses. That's true. We were, before we started doing that kind of a thing, we were, uh, spending, uh, money for things that, you know, we kind of tended to eat out a bit more than we should have, Uh-huh. and it was easy to, uh, let things get out of hand. We thought it uh, thought it to be really helpful. We have gotten some of our loans paid off really because of this and stuff like that Yeah. so, Well, it helps you to focus where your money goes Yeah and and I am sure you felt the the same frustration before you got on a budget, but you're wondering my, when you put down all the money that you do bring in and then you're saying, my word where did all that money go. That's a lot of money, but
Where does it go? Yeah. Uh But, and also we have found that if we write down, and we did this. We are not real consistent with this, but we did it for about a month and we wrote down everything that we bought when, you know, every pay check Uh-huh. and so we could see where every penny went and it was really interesting to see just what you do spend and like I say we haven't been real consistent with it. It's, we should cause it does help. Yeah, the other, the other thing that that we've found that helps is, you know, we tend to fudge on the budget a little bit Uh-huh it's just to, uh, uh, get up the money in advance and put it in, uh, uh, so long as it wasn't you know, unreasonably high, but for things like food expenses or whatever. Just put it in uh in an envelope or whatever if the entertainment amount was gone for the month say, oh, it's gone Uh-huh.
just stick to that, uh-huh. That is, Yeah. That that sounds like a really good idea. So. And it really helpful. Uh, have you developed a savings plan or I R A s or anything like that yet? We, we haven't. We our our initial goal was just to retire debt, uh, completely retire debt for car payments and credit card uh, credit card debt and all of that. Oh, uh-huh. Uh-huh. We are just at a point where, where we could start thinking about it so Oh that's good. That's a good feeling Yeah. Well I My husband just graduated from the university, uh, a year ago Uh-huh.
so finally finally we are getting to that point too. A student. So, are you still going to school or, Yeah, I am actually in the, in the Kay. Okay. I guess we're talking about exercise, huh? Yeah, yeah. Well first of all I, I have to ask you how, how old you are? Oh, I am twenty-seven. Twenty-seven, okay. Well, I am quite a bit older than you are But, no. I think exercise is extremely important and I I do exercise on a regular basis. You do?
What type of exercise do you do? Well, I do, uh, jazzercise which is an aerobic, uh, program that, Oh you do. are you familiar with it? Yes. It's, uh, you know, a national company and we have a jazzercise center here in Plano that has classes like all day long so you can, Are they different from aerobics or is it the same thing? No it's really, it's an aerobic routine. you warm up and then you have thirty minutes of aerobic activity starting, you know, slowly and then working up to, uh, you know, a high heart rate and then you gradually go down again. And you do that every day or, No, I only do it probably two or three times a week. Oh, okay.
The minimum they want you to do is three times a week. And this is a club or, uh, do you belong to a group? Well, it's really a I mean it's called a center and you buy as many classes as you want to at a time and then you just go in whenever you can. So, like I usually choose to go at nine thirty in the morning or a nine fifteen class or a ten thirty class in the mornings. Do you go with friends or do you go alone? No, I go by myself and that's one of the frustrating things cause I can find very few people to go with me Yeah. and most of my friends that are my age don't exercise or they might play tennis Uh-huh. and since I am not a tennis player, uh, you know, I don't get that, but I am, you know, I am between, I am in my late forties Uh-huh.
so, uh, there aren't many people, you know, that want to do that. Oh Most of the people that are in the classes are young mothers. You know, with with children between the ages, Oh yeah young mothers or, Young mothers. You know, young women, with small children are the ones that I find. Uh-huh. Well, what do you do? Uh, I really don't have a routine. I like playing basketball. We just bought a new home with a basketball hoop and that's what I do every day. Oh, great. Yeah. Do you play every day? Yeah, pretty much. When my wife lets me. Well, now who do you play with?
Do you have friends that play with you or just, No, I just shoot around by myself. Yeah. And, uh, that's about it. I use to play soccer a lot in high school, but when I graduated I haven't done much. I don't have a problem. I know I have to do more aerobics, but I don't have a problem with weight. I could eat all day and not gain an ounce Well see, that's, that's really good and I think that keeps a lot, some people from exercising. Uh-huh. I mean, I don't have a problem with weight either, but I think I don't have a problem because I exercise. You know You do exercise. I mean, people are always saying to me, how do you stay thin and it's because I exercise
You do it but I also watch what I eat. You know, Uh-huh. but you'll come, being twenty-seven, you don't really have to worry about your heart rate and that yet Yeah and I but as you get older you will. well everyone's told me my waist line is going to expand one of these days, but I don't know Well, it might not Mine, because everybody's been telling me that too and so far it hasn't happened, you know, and I, I just feel like, you know, you have to constantly weigh yourself and just keep an eye on it and cut back if it starts to get you know, too high. Uh-huh. Yeah, I guess I enjoy sports a lot so that's why I've kept active in that way. Yeah.
But you don't play any other sports but basketball? Uh, basketball, volleyball, uh, too bad it's not really heavy as far as recreation or hobby, I do that. But, do you ski? Being in Utah, I was wondering if you ski. Uh, I use to, but it got too expensive, so. Oh did it really? Yeah. Cause I know that skiing in Utah is, is suppose to be great. Yeah, a lot of people do that Yeah. and but, well I just I never find the time. I had rather do other things. Yeah. Well, I have never skied before,
but I have friends that go to Utah all the time and they think it's really Oh they come up here. and they ski. I guess there's a place where you can ski, well is it Tahoe? Where you ski from, no that's Nevada to California I guess. That's in Nevada. Uh-huh. Yeah, I am thinking about where you can ski over the state line. Oh, yeah but, But there's a there is a place in Utah called a funny name. There's Snow Bird or Alta. But it's like, Oh, Heavenly. Is that it? Heavenly? Yeah,
I think it's called Heavenly. Huh. I've never heard of that one. You've never heard of that? Huh-uh. Well, maybe it isn't in Utah. But they said they've skied Heavenly and it sounded like, you know, that they skied really well, and when they are actually talking about a place. It's kind of funny. Do they exercise much or, I mean for skiing? I know when I went, you can get sore easily but, Oh yeah. You can get really sore. I know you, I mean I've talked to people, but most of these people ski enough so that they don't get sore. Oh yeah. is one or two timer a year if I do go on them and I am really sore after. And then, is it your quadriceps that are the worst?
Yeah. In your legs and, My legs really, really ache. Yeah. Yeah. But, that's, I am using muscles that I have never used before. Well, and it's strange that you can do, like I did aerobics, you know, all the time and then I went horseback riding and still I was so sore and I couldn't get over, Actually, to tell you the truth, I think, uh, jury selection is a, uh, prime, uh, discussion topic in terms of possible improvements on, uh, uh, finding of, uh, guilt. Uh, I certainly can't argue with that. Definitely does need some improvements. Uh, and the lawyers can throw people out for no reason whatsoever just because they want to. Yeah, I think there's a limit on that. The, uh, the, uh peremptory challenges are limited to, I don't know how many, I think it's, Four or five,
but you can, I can't remember which. I was on a jury trial last year only I got kicked out as, uh, the last selection that the, uh, defense got. Um. Yeah, it seems to me I'm always challenged peremptorily also when I go to these things. I think I have a severe demeanor or something. Um. Uh, That, uh, But, typically, you know, uh, typically, uh, everyone gets involved in, uh, the jury process and I suppose an elitist might say, well, you really want someone who is well educated to be able to, to winnow the facts from the, from the prejudice. Right, but it still has to be a group of your peers. Right. See. So, So, if it's your peers and you're not educated then, So if you're a nincompoop on trial, you'd, you'd have to have nincompoops to, uh, You want you want a nincompoop jury because they'll sympathize with you a bit as well as hopefully being honest people and do their best to comply with the facts as they were presented to them.
Um. So, that's why the defense is there picking through them, whereas at the same time, the, uh, the prosecutor sitting there picking through them because he wants somebody who will give him, uh, a guilty verdict if the facts warrant. Uh-huh. So, uh, I think the jury selection process is pretty neat, but I don't think that the jury ought to be the ones picking the punishment afterwards. Um. I think that should be left up to people who have some knowledge in the subject and more knowledge than a jury would have. you're talking about, the person's already been found guilty, right Uh-huh, uh-huh. and many times I've seen on trials they have on T V, the jury will make a recommendation as to leniency or as to the death penalty or whatever, but I think that it should be up to the judge and the, uh, lawyers to make the decision as to what the actual penalty will be. Um. Maybe just the judge because they're the people who know what the system is and what it's all about and believe in the system. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh, and I think that would provide a more fair sentencing procedure. As opposed to an emotional sentencing procedure. Also, may be a more consistent sentencing procedure. Well, I suppose you may be right on that. Matter of fact, I've heard that, I've heard that some of the information, uh, is prevented from reaching the jury, like, uh, mitigating circumstances or, or preceding, uh, criminal record or things of this nature that,
Well, preceding criminal record, according to the judicial process has nothing to do with the current crime. But when it comes to, uh, sentencing for punishment, of course, if the person's never done anything bad before, according to the judicial system, then they're going to lean towards a slightly more lenient side, and the jury's supposed to be notified of criminal records when it comes to sentencing by jury. Oh, is it? Oh, I didn't realize that. Okay. At least in California, they're supposed to be. Not during the trial, during the trial as to whether they're guilty or not has nothing to do with their background. Right. But when it comes to what kind of sentence you're going to lay down, I think that, uh, that they should. Uh-huh. I don't, I don't know that they always have because I never sat all the way through a jury trial. They get too boring. Uh-huh. So, you, what you're saying is this, if there is the second offense, then you execute them. Well, if it's a second offense, the punishment should certainly be more severe than a first offense, because obviously, the rehabilitation process did not work the first time. Um. So you got to give them either more time in the system or a different process that will hopefully work better. When it comes down to things like alternative sentencing, I'm all for that for, uh, small crimes, infractions and misdemeanors or parking tickets or traffic tickets that have gone to warrant,
you give them the option of working off their time doing civil service sort of things. What about, uh, white collar crimes like, uh, theft of trade secrets. I think those ought to be punished a whole lot worse than they are. Oh, really? Yeah. Like what? Well, uh, say, embezzlement, right. You get a guy down the street who comes up, uh, carrying a Uh, with regard to, uh, to jury trials. I, you know, I, I really feel as though, uh, jury trials are, are, uh, whatever system has been, been used historically, in particular jurisdiction, you know, is really the, the only kinds of things that you can use. Because the, the jurisprudence is, you know, based on, on, uh, you know, on accumulated body of law. And if, if you have a situation where you change that body of law, then all of sudden they, they start, they could start going back and digging up all these cases that, uh, that would be handled differently were they judged by today's standards. So I, I really don't think it, they can really do much of anything to change it. What do you think? Uh, I, I don't think so. Possibly in the jury selection would be the only, just for example, what we're seeing in California I guess. It makes you wonder, uh, had the jury been a different group of people what would have happened with that outcome. Well won't, well maybe they used a little bit too much force with stuff like that but then then, you know, the defense lawyer addressed each and every one of those blows apparently Uh-huh.
and, you know, the other two guys sat in the car That's, that's bad . Uh-huh. and they didn't get beat up. You know. No. It , Rodney got beat up because he, he, you know, he you know, he involved himself in some sub, self-destructive behavior. Uh-huh. And, uh, uh, just like the burning and looting is self-destruct. Uh-huh. Everybody says well this is the nineties Oh, yes. and they're going to rebuild and it'll be even better. Hey, what do you think, you know, some, some black guy with capital is going to come in and invest in that area? That's right. With everybody with that mind set. They, they're they're going to, that whole area is going to be turned into residential ghetto, you know, They're only going to suffer. and you might even be able to, to use it for, for a bombing test site, you know.
they're only going to suffer. They, they've defeated themselves with, with their looting and violence. Uh, I understand why they were upset by the verdict just because even those of us that aren't black or, uh, don't live there or whatever, we all saw the same thing on the, on the tape and, uh, Well everybody is saying this is going to be a new era and we're going to reexamine this thing. Hey, the the average person is going to take a look at that and say, suspicions confirmed. They're a bunch of animals, you know. How can you really deal with an environment where you're going to lose everything. Forty deaths. I mean there are forty people that are dead as a result of that. I know. Yeah, it's really ridiculous. And I'm just trying to determine, you know, how you address, how you weigh, you know, Rodney getting, getting the hell beat out of him against, you know, forty deaths. Against forty other people being, Yeah. And there's no other, I'm not exactly sure, uh, what the circumstances surrounding the deaths. And I'm very upset that the news media has not identified those deaths and, and pursued it, you know, because I'm interested in the circumstances surrounding this thing.
Those deaths. Uh-huh. Is it a looter that got shot by a store owner? I, you know, no tears. Or just a an innocent bystander or somebody got actually beat to death or what. Yeah. And and so I, but I, I suspect a number of them. Um. You know, you, you see film of people being pulled out of a car and shot, you know, in, in the street. Or, or beaten. And, and my reaction is I would have run over fifty people before, rather than stop. And, uh, and there, there would have been just nothing but carnage after, after, after if I'd been at the wheel. Um very No one would have stopped me. Right. That's, that's exactly how I feel too. I wouldn't have, uh, they wouldn't have stopped my car for any, anything had I seen them coming. But I was just wondering since you're, you're in, you're back east, uh, and a little closer to the, the bigger cities than we are in Idaho here. Right.
I'm inside the beltway. Oh. You know how capital gang, they always say well inside the beltway, they think thus and so and I say well wait a minute, I'm inside the beltway and I don't think like that. Uh-huh. I'm a government employee. Oh. In what, uh, section of the government do you work? I'm with the F B I. Oh Oh, that's interesting Yes. and so, uh, uh, and, and the reason I'm doing this whole thing is because Rick, whose another government employee wanted a segments of my speech, that that were done a year ago Uh-huh. and he wanted another collection a year later. Oh. And so this is my seventh call. A year ago I did eleven calls.
Oh, I see And so that's, that's why, uh, uh, that's why I'm religiously getting on the phone because I have a unique, you know, I have a unique situation here in that if I don't participate, Uh, around here we have a program where, uh, we, we put out the, the, we separate the bottles and the cans and the plastic stuff from the newspapers. And we keep the newspapers in a, in a, they're collected twice a month and the trash and, and this bottled stuff that is put in a, in a little blue bin that's picked up and sorted out into a truck. So they actually have about three passes at this collection. One for the regular trash, one for the, uh, uh, you know, the bottles and cans and one for the newspapers. Sounds, But I gather you do not separate, uh, the bottles and cans. No, they, they do that on the truck. Uh-huh. They separate them as they, as they, you know, dump them. And, you know, one guy comes around with his truck and, and dumps it all in there. And I think they're, they're running out of, uh, you know, . The sanitary landfill, I think, uh, is, you know, running out. Of course, uh, you being from New Mexico, you've probably been to Washington. Especially if you're, your present location. Yes. You must have come to Washington at least once. Yes, I know.
Not only have I come to Washington but, uh, I find it very amusing that, uh, the thing that was just instituted here is very similar. That is we also have blue bins. We also separate newspapers from all of the other stuff which goes into the bin and gets separated in the truck and, uh, landfill space is, in deed, the driving factor here. And, in fact, uh, despite all of our open space out here, landfill space is still, uh, very hard to come by. My, you've got a lot a, a lot of nothing out there. You know, they got, I mean there, there's got to be a crevice between two mountains that nobody gives a doggone about that you could, you could use for landfill. Ah, but if somebody can make a regulation about it, they will. Well what other, what, uh, what unique things you think, uh, that you can do about it in, in what, in Los Alamos? Well, uh, Yes, other than nuking it. Um, in fact, Los Alamos, uh, has, uh, done a fair amount of research, uh, in recycling things in general. Um, it, it involves, for instance, uh, creating biological organisms which can remove heavy elements like selenium, and barium and, uh, other things from, uh, waste material in general. And, uh, and purify the waste of specific, uh, uh, nasty elements. Well, isn't that a, that's a, that's pretty, uh, upscale, uh, trash, uh, uh, situation. I don't think anybody around here would understand all the, all those exotic techniques, you know, getting rid of the heavy metals. And the thing that just was in the local news bulletin was, somebody has, uh, made some special, uh, polymers that have the ability to, uh, make certain actinide elements adhere to them. Uh, uh, they've, uh, looked at, uh, plutonium and uranium and, uh, some other similar things to try to remove those from radio active waste Huh.
and, again, this is driven by all of the documentation and, uh, E S and H, uh, uh, considerations that, uh, people are, uh, worrying about, I think, much more than they should. Actually I've been involved in recycling for long before it became fashionable. Back when I was in graduate school, I did all of the recycling of the, uh, paper from the computer center and, uh, in fact I think I was the first person in our department to have my thesis published on recyclable recycled paper. Huh. Well that's certainly, uh, you know, uh, getting into the swim of things. I, I think it should be, it should go to the, to the heart of the matter though and say, okay guy, you, everybody gets, you know, five pounds of garbage that they can throw away, you know. Uh, but more than that every week, uh, you've got to pay by the pound. I, I think I think people would be, would get very, very, you know, they'd be very careful about how they bought stuff. I think that's a wonderful idea. The only alternative I would see is, uh, and this would actually be a little more workable since weighing everybody's garbage would be a real pain. Uh, if you did it by volume rather than by weight it would, uh, speak more directly to the space needs and the landfill Uh-huh. and it would also cause people to compact their garbage more. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh, and, uh, and limiting the volume is probably a little bit closer to the real problem than limiting the weight. Well, of course, that, uh, you know, those big trucks can, can, probably are far more efficient in packing than any kind of little household compactor. Well my exercise program consists of, uh, you know, it's, it's a opportunity to stay alive really. Instead of, you know, wasting my, my, the, you know, the, trying to exist on the latency of my youth, the good health of my youth.
Huh. I'm, and what I like to do is I like to stretch out and I like to run, uh, I'm, I like to run, get my heartbeat up. I like to run about, oh, about two, two and a half miles. And then I like to work out on, uh, on the, uh, the Bailey Life Cycle machines up here at the, at the Holiday Spa. And, and I, I think that, you know, I've had a regiment now for about, you know, ten, fifteen years of, of doing that and, uh, and I, I kind of think it's, uh, it's a lot of work but I think it's, uh, it's a lot of work but I think it's, uh, it's the, uh, the amount of effort that's required to, uh, to stay healthy, you know. I have a sedentary job and, uh, unless you do something like that, you're going to get sick. Right. Yeah, I'm, I need to get, I'm, I'm pretty bad about that. I'm lazy. I should, I know
I want, I always say that I need to get start running and I'm going to try and do that this summer. Because I never have time. I, I always put it off. By the time I get back from classes it's late at night and I don't feel like going back over to the gym and running on the track or whatever. Because I'm, I'm getting a gut here. I got to get back into shape. Well, I, uh, two years ago I started having trouble with my knee. And, uh, you know, I've got, you know, I figured well, it'll go away. Well I you know, I'm, I've had to reduce my program, reduce my program and I've gained fifteen pounds. Huh. And so, uh, you know, it's, you know, I need to get back into swimming, you know, instead of running. If I can't swim or I can't run, I should be able to swim. Well I'm such a terrible swimmer and I, I, I really feel I can, I can dedicate about an hour, an hour and fifteen minutes to this effort. But if it gets longer than that I, I, it, I start not doing anything.
Yeah. And so, so I got a real problem in that regard. Uh, it, do, you obviously are, are not an exercise buff or else you'd be out there doing it. Yeah. I mean, I do it, I guess, I'm going to do it, uh, because I want to get in shape. I'm not, it's not something I really enjoy all that much that, I'll, I'll probably, I mean once I get into it and I, if I, if I get into better shape then it'll be, it won't be as much of a, a chore to me. Well, it's, it's always a chore. I mean I started doing this when I was about thirty-five Yeah. Huh. and now I'm fifty-five. Yeah. And, uh, you know, I, I know that in, I just know that I'm going to get blown away with some, some piece of nonsense. you know, some health related thing is going to blow me away. That's the same way, I got too much weight on right now.
I need to lose fifty pounds, you know. Right. I need to lose at least twenty, you know. But, uh, you know, it's, it's just, uh, I'm busy. I'm doing a lot of traveling and, uh, it, it creates a problem, uh, you know, when you're on the road. What sort of, uh, uh, what other programs other than say running? Have you, have you ever done anything at all? Yeah, I have. Uh, sit-ups or, also last summer I was doing Nautilus or last year I'm, uh, belong to a club right here. Uh-huh. That was a little bit too much money. But, uh, doing a mix of Nautilus and free weights. I like that. club, what club are you with? I'm sorry? What club were you with? It's called, oh, what was it called City Sports, downtown Washington.
Oh. Okay. So you're, you're down, you're downtown. Yeah. I'm at, I'm at, I go to George Washington University. Okay. Yeah. You're down there on, you know, twentieth and eighteenth and F G. Yeah. It's , uh, Plaza. Oh. Well, I'd, uh, well there's a, there's a Holiday Spa down there on, on K street, I think. Something like that. But, uh, I, I go to the Holiday Spa here in Alexandria and that's pretty good. But, you know, evening time it gets pretty busy. But generally, you know, I can, I can get in and get a program, you know. Right. But, uh, you know, I, I need to, I need to rededicate myself to, uh, to doing this and, uh, I got a problem, uh, you know, ever since my knee went bad, of getting back solidly into it. I mean, I've been doing this for fifteen, twenty years.
Yeah. And, you know, and I'm, I know I'm going to get, I know it's going to bite me in the ass and so I, I really don't want to, want to, uh, you know, back off on it. Yeah. It's something, I think, uh, I'm young, I should get started getting into shape. I don't want to, I want, I mean at one point it's going to be too late to do it. . Well, no. When you're young, you, you can abuse your, your, all your systems and you can recover. Yeah. Uh, when you get to be my age and you start abusing your systems, you get blown away. And just wind up having to kiss your ass good-bye, you know. Huh And, uh, and so the object, Okay. The topic is to discuss the, uh, sources where I receive news. Uh-huh.
And, uh, for me that's mostly newspaper and radio, I almost never watch television, as a matter of course so, I don't get news from television, except during the war, I watched a lot of C N N because it was so good. Uh-huh. Well, why was C N N the only, of course I think, Saddam Hussein only allowed C N N to broadcast it, is that not true? Um. It was unusual not to have the different sources, you know, of news coverage. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I guess, uh, I don't even know why I watched C N N. I guess, I just wanted more news. It's one of the few times I wanted more news than. Yeah, well, I know even if you watched A B C, N B C or the other, I mean, what's the other one, uh, C B S. C B S. They all were, were tapped into C N N.
Were they? Uh-uh. Yeah. That's the only thing they broadcast and like you I listened to radio on my job at work. Uh-huh. And all this week they have been having this, uh, a discussion about that is why, uh, why C N N was well, I listen to a Christian radio station. Uh-huh. And they were saying that C N N is definitely a world, uh, news service and, uh, they, it was, you can't really be sure of the quality of what you've got, you know. Huh. Uh, we had some, uh, some people from our church went to Israel, uh, just for a, uh, tour sort of thing. Uh-huh. And I was watching on TV they, they broadcast this terrible riot supposedly that was going on in Jerusalem, Right.
and so it really made me question as to what, how do we know, you know, uh, if the news we're getting is any good. So Yeah, I guess, the news just focuses on major events that probably, don't affect ninety-nine percent of the people who are right there when the news is being made. Yeah. Right, right. But, uh, I, I'm from California and I can remember being in, uh, in these earthquakes and, I mean they were, they were very minor kinds of things from my point of view, and it seemed, you know, from anyone else's point of view, Yeah. but they get all blown up in the news. Um, Uh-huh Well I, I find it depressing to watch our, specially TV, you know, it's just, uh, local news concentrates, on murders and things like that. I'm from Dallas and, uh, we have a lot of bad stuff, uh, it just really gets me depressed, even to watch it.
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. So then, you wake up one morning and you are in war with somebody you don't even, even know about it. Right. So. Well, what newspapers, uh, do you read in Dallas? Uh, we have the DALLAS TIMES HERALD and the DALLAS MORNING NEWS, but I don't, I don't read newspapers Don't you? Huh-uh. How come? Uh-huh. I find it hard to, uh, follow from one page to another. It's just something I have never developed, uh, an interest in. Huh. And I live in kind of a bad area where if I have the paper delivered it's stolen before I can get out and get it Gosh that's, that sounds pretty bad to me.
I mean who would steal a newspaper? You would be surprised. Huh? They just come by and pick them up even if it's just for the TV, you know uh, selections of the day. I see. I don't know. It just wouldn't be there whenever I tried it. Yeah. So, you're right, who would steal a newspaper? in glass sound in But, they do. Yeah. What part of California are you from? Uh, from Los Angeles, but I live in Raleigh, North Carolina, right now, that's where I am speaking to you from. Oh, okay. But, I grew up in L A. I work out here. Huh, you work for T I?
No, I don't. I work for North Carolina State University. Huh. But, uh, I know some people at T I, and I have a couple of students who have graduated and gone to work for them. Yeah. So, I'm in the computer business. Well, I, boy, current events is not a good subject for me. Well. I don't keep up with it that often. Let's see, I've, I've, I've never done this before, I mean I've never. This is your first call? This is my first call. Because I just got my password. Oh, really. Yeah. So I don't know, are we suppose to,
it seems to me it says you are suppose to talk for three minutes, but I think we've been talking for three minutes and nobody has interrupted. Yeah, well I, I got into a conversation last night with a lady and they interrupt at ten, minutes. I see. So if we've done our three minutes. Let's just let the conversation end and say bye. Uh-huh. Well, all right. Nice talking to you. Nice talking to you too. All right, bye. Bye-bye. You want to start? Well, I guess I would first identify myself as middle aged and therefore, having seen the last generation, I guess it puts me in, you know, gives me a perspective on that. Uh-huh. Yeah.
Uh, I, am quite positive on the things that I have seen happen recently relative to women in, both in society and in the work place, uh, there's no doubt about the fact that when I was first graduated from college the impression was that a woman's career would consist of a childbearing years and perhaps a return to the office, but not necessarily. Uh, now I think the change that I've seen as much as anything is one where couples, uh, are more carefully planning their intention on how to both share homemaking duties and also how women will, uh, have their children and then deliberately sort of plan how they go back to the work place. Uh-huh. And I guess that's a significant change that I've both participated in and noticed. I agree, uh, the equality of, uh, the roles now between the sexes, I guess has been dramatically demonstrated with this war, especially compared with, uh, the Vietnam war and you see women going off to wars as well as men. Uh-huh. Uh, I have wondered why they allowed, or let, you know, both the father and mother go, uh, and the children are left without either parent. Now to me that's kind of a drawback. But, uh, I guess it's a price you pay. And I also wonder about the children that are being brought up in the, uh, uh, day care centers. Wonder about them in what way? Well, uh, from what I understand there's been studies that, uh, these children are, uh, more rebellious. Uh, they term it as more, uh, creative. But, uh, that they, uh, are much more contentious. Uh-huh. So, I, I don't, I, I guess we'll have to see another generation to see what differences a child being brought up, you know, in a, uh, kind of a, uh, community, rather than a home. Uh-huh.
I have not, to be honest, had much experience, with children in that situation. Yeah. I, I guess one knows one's own storly and I know, uh, in my children's case it was one where, uh, pretty much up until the older of two was in, uh, let's see, I guess basically starting junior high and the younger was in fifth grade when my wife reentered the work force. Uh-huh. Uh So they, so I guess my experience is, is just with what we did and, and so they didn't really go through the child care route. Yeah. They were able to be home together. Uh, and we never actually experienced that. What, in terms of changes relative to women in the work place and the potential changes over the, the next generation or so, I guess I anticipate, uh, an increasing equality, uh, greater presence of women in management roles Uh-huh, uh-huh. uh, I don't know whether there will be an increased amount of, of surrogacy that we see. I just don't know. What do you mean? Uh, deliberate childbirth by surrogate mother.
Oh, yeah. Sort of rent-a-mom, to be, you know, not to be crass about it, but, uh, uh, whether one might conceive, no pun intended, of the possibility that there might be a kind of a deliberate, uh, uh a professional mother, person. For instance, that, Yeah. That's strange. A nanny, sort of? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. and I could, you know, I could envision a society where that would happen and make an interesting, uh, uh, story or whatever. Yeah. I, I don't think I have a philosophical problem with that. In fact, I think it sort of raises nurturing and being a mother to what it ought to be which is a respected profession. That's right, that's right. Uh, I, I don't have a, other than, than a reading and, and male perspective on, on the on the biological urges involved relative to being a mother or not. Uh, I know that, that my sense is that I have very much an interest and had one in being a parent. I, I don't know that I, uh, felt myself necessarily encumbered with the necessity to have heirs. Uh-huh. Uh, I don't have boys, that doesn't, didn't bother me,
never has. Vision more women deliberately raising children either in surrogacy or, or as a professional nanny, nanny as you put it, uh. Yeah. Maybe we'll see a growth in that where someone makes a career out of, say, taking care of five or six children as opposed to day care. Uh-huh, uh-huh. It would be a sort of day care, but it would be more of a family setting. Right. Uh, I know that there are young people, characterized, I guess as being half my age, so that by definition that means, they're young. Uh, that, in my work place, who are both of them earning rather decent professional salaries who probably would consider paying a woman, uh, eight or nine or ten thousand dollars a year to take care of their child, Uh-huh, uh-huh. To come in and live with them? I could easily envision that. Pardon? To come in and live with them? Or to put their child into a into a home setting, where they would, you know, like they, they would get, leave at eight in the morning and, and drop a two year old off in a home where you knew there were going to be four other kids Uh-huh. and, and you were paying for really high quality care. Yeah.
Right. Uh, I have acquaintances of mine where I know that they are paying figures on, on the order of what I quoted to someone, because that's what the experience they want and I would imagine if there are more of people like that with an opportunity that, that's a possibility of a change that we could see in the next few years. Uh-huh. And then you might have more control over, uh, the, the morals that they would be taught rather than in like a classroom or a day care center. Uh-huh, uh-huh. I know the day care centers are not cheap either. You know they're, I haven't ever really looked at them. Are you aware at all, of, of what they would, what they cost? Uh, well, no, I just know, I know several single mothers who absolutely can't afford it. They have to go with the, a single, uh, I mean a baby-sitter more, more or less. Uh-huh. But I think it's like, about sixty dollars a week for two children if I'm not mistaken. Uh-huh. And you have to pay that whether you're on vacation, you know, and taking care of the children or if the children are at home, at home, sick. Uh-huh. I mean, that is, you know, just a, a rate that you have to pay
and, uh, What, what do you envision for the next twenty years as far as women in American society? Uh, I think, I really don't have a vision That's okay, too. Yeah, I, I, I think that they will be more in the work place because, uh, the door's open. Uh-huh. And, uh, it's just human nature to walk through an open door. So, and I would be glad to see that. I hope I don't see a lot more single moms, but, it seems in my experience I'm running across single women all the time. . I'm, I'm noticing that, too, and, and I notice the, the, a terming emerging called solo parents, that I'm very aware of the number of solo mothers that, that I encounter in the work place, Yeah. and that, that is a little troublesome. Uh, because the pressures on them are, are, rather, rather formidable. Yeah, yeah. It's awful. Yeah
Uh, and maybe that's a change we'll see. Maybe, uh, the possibility of, of women, uh, who deliberately say, no, we'll let the man will take care of the children perhaps, in the event of a separation or whatever. Uh-huh. Right. So, Well, I think we've done it Well, I think we're about done. Okay. Thank you very much. Uh, good-bye. It's been interesting. You take care. Okay. Bye. Bye. Okay. So are you a freshwater or, Mostly freshwater, I
Freshwater, yeah, I, I used to fish, uh, when I was real young, down in Galveston with my parents, and I never really got into that too much, because you have to get in the boat really to do anything, and I didn't know anybody who had a boat now, so I don't fish too much in saltwater. Uh-huh. Most of my fishing has been in the saltwater. Uh, mostly deep sea fishing for grouper and bottom fish Oh, really, Oh, neat, and, uh, I have caught one or two small sharks Oh, really. and, uh, yes. What'd you do with them? Put them back You didn't get a big kick out of killing them like some people do? No, no, no, I love shark steak,
but, uh, the ones I caught were never large enough to really do anything. Do they have a limit on sharks, I mean, is that like a, a sport fish, can you actually catch those and there's no limit. Is there a limit? I have no idea. I know, I, my home is in, uh, Pensacola, Florida Uh-huh. so, it's, they do a lot of shark fishing in that, you know, in the gulf Right. and, um, there's a certain period of time during the year they have all along the gulf coast from, I guess from Galveston to Mayport they have, uh, shark tournaments, and, you know, there's part, either as part of or separate from the, uh, bill fishing tournaments they usually have so, I have not done, uh, much freshwater fishing oh, for, you know, lake, lake fishing for bass and so forth but, uh, maybe some what they call brim and those sorts of things, but nothing, Right. Oh, really. Right. Uh-huh. I think I've been trout fishing once.
I've never fly fished. Have you fly fished? Uh, no I haven't. I don't know that I could do that. That looks awful tiring I've tried it once, Did you. yes, uh, a friend of mine Didn't like it? no. I could never get the hang of it. It looks complicated to me. It's a rhythm or something Uh-huh. I usually ended snagging my, uh, fishing partners or the trees along the bank Catching tree bass, right Yes
Almost got an owl once. Did you That would have been something. But, uh. So do you, do you fish mainly for trophies or do you, do you eat what you fish. Oh, no, no, no, no. I used, uh, when I was, uh, working in Florida, I used to do a lot of surf fishing mostly for relaxation Uh-huh. Right. you know, there are people who fish, and then there are people who catch. Right. Well, I'm a fisher You just like to sit down and watch it, right. That's right, I've never caught that much,
but, uh, Really. Oh, and occasionally we'd go out on a, you know, full day trip, you know, three or four other people and do either, again, bottom fishing or or for grouper Right. Right. or, I used to catch you know, I've caught a few worthwhile snappers, red snappers and gray snappers and so forth. That's nice. What about you, you a, Well, most of my fishing is done at, um, area lakes around here, freshwater lakes Uh-huh. and, um, most of it, I haven't been really in a long time. Last time I went I actually was in Galveston trying to saltwater fish and it just wasn't working with my freshwater tackle. That was real fun. Um, but, um, I went fishing at, I don't know if you've ever heard of, uh, Lake Worth. It's a fairly new lake in Texas. Oh, yes. And, uh, we went fishing there last memorial day, *Memorial Day and I caught my first bass that was actually big enough to keep.
I was so excited. And, uh, that's really about it. Mostly just the lakes around here, and I fish to take home and cook I don't, I don't get too much joy out of just sitting and watching. I get a little bit of relaxation from it, but mainly I, um, I want to say I brought something home. I want to say I did this, I was out there for a reason The last time I went, uh, bass fishing, I was with my daughter, a friend of hers, and, well, a friend of mine and his daughter. We, I was the only one who did not catch, a single fish Really. my daughter caught fish, his daughter caught fish, he caught fish. Everybody but you. I did not even, I did not even, I have been, I was out on a party boat a few years ago, and we, we were grouper fishing,
or, you know, actually we were, uh, snapper fishing. Everyone on the boat was catching snapper, snappers except guess who. It had to be you. I I, Couldn't catch one to save your life. Huh. That's right, I would go from one side of the boat to the other, and, uh, the, uh, the party boat captain could not understand, you know, he even, even he started baiting my hook and holding, holding the, uh, the fishing rod. How funny, just hoping maybe, he could pull Right, and it was, it was really, really, really bad. Uh, I, as I said, I am a fisher, I'm not a catcher. Right. But, uh, I enjoy it though. I don't really get out as much as I, uh, as I would like too. Yeah. And they do, of course, you know,
here in, we're only just a few, not a few minutes, we're, you know, forty five minutes to an hour away from the eastern shore here in Maryland Right. and they do a lot of fishing there. Of course what I used to like to do though is go snorkeling for scallops in some of the bays, or uh, or for oysters. Oh, yeah, That would be fun. And, uh, that I was able to do, when I could go in and go down and actually pick them off the bottom. Right Hand picked That right The weirdest fishing experience I ever had. People to this day are still trying to figure out if I really caught what I think I caught. We were in, uh, Rockport, which is close to Corpus Uh-huh. and we had been fishing in a canal, they had all these canals up through this one little retirement area, and, uh, we'd been fishing in the canals and all we were catching were catfish, and we were pretty bored with that. So, we thought well, maybe there are some crab in here,
we'll try to catch some crab. So I got my chicken and all my little net and everything, and something, I had a rock to weight it down, something grabs and just runs with it. And of course there's no hook, so it can't be a fish. Uh-huh. I'm sure it's not a fish, right. And crab, they don't bite like that, they don't just run with your food. So, I netted it, and it was the ugliest fish I've ever seen in my life. It had real teeth, like human teeth, and it looked archaic. I, I had no idea what it was. I called my father long distance just to describe the thing, and it had the rock in its mouth, not the chicken, but the rock itself is what it had grabbed.
Um. They say it's a dog fish, from everything I've described, it was brown with these little white dots Uh-huh. and it made a loud, almost a croaking noise like a croaker does Uh-huh. it, it was the strangest thing. Oh, I'll never get over that. To this day I don't want to get in the water, anywhere around salt water because I'm sure one of those fish are there. Well, we used to, I guess the weirdest thing I've ever caught is, uh, in some of the inlets and the rivers around Delaware. Uh-huh. They have a fish that's called an oyster cracker. I don't know if you've ever heard of it I've never heard of that one. and it has a huge strong mouth, and they actually, uh, use their teeth to open oysters. That's where it gets its name, obviously, huh. Uh-huh, and this is the ugliest, fish I have ever seen,
and I mean, and they come in all you know, I've, I've caught them from, you know, three or four inches long up to, uh, Uh-huh. I guess the largest one I ever caught was probably eight or ten inches long, but just huge, ugly things just terrible. Huh. Can you eat them? No, no. Ooh. I, I don't think I'd want to even if you could if they're that ugly, but. They just, they just look as though you do not want to do anything with them. That's like this dog fish, it was, it scared me to death. Uh-huh. It was it really, it didn't look like, it looked like it was something out of the dark ages that just never died. Well, the first time I went surf fishing was in , and I threw my line out and the first thing I caught was a sand shark, which was probably a foot, and a half or, uh, two feet long,
and scared me to death. Oh. I had never seen anything, and then I was fished for another half hour or forty-five minutes, caught a few white fish and so forth, and then I felt something relatively heavy, and I thought, oh, really, here, I'm really going to get one. And I, Okay, um, let's see. How do you feel about credit cards? Personally, I do not care for them. Uh, although I find them a necessity in business and so forth, I, I try to refrain from their use as much as possible. Um, for a number of reasons, one of which is the, you know, extreme interest rate on most of them. Uh-huh. The one I use, uh, of course, for mostly, only for business purposes is, uh, you know, American Express. Right. And, uh, I'm not I'm not terribly in favor of them. Not for my own personal, uh, point of view. Right. Plus it, uh, has, you know, from an economic point of view it has increased our debt tremendously to the tune of somewhere on the order of five to ten billion, I believe Yeah.
Right. Wow. uh, at least that's one number for this range of numbers I have, I have heard. Right. Do you use them frequently or, Well, we, uh, me and my wife, when, when we have like extra money that we know we're going to have, and we can put it in our budget, yeah, we'll, we'll use it. But like last year, I think we paid, I think it was like twenty something cents interest, on our Visa. Uh-huh. And I think this, this year we, uh, I think we used it for Christmas, and we got caught just a few days on our grace period. And, uh, so we'll pay a little interest this year, but maybe two dollars. But we don't like to do that at all. Yes. And, you know, we, I think we feel about the same way you do real strongly. We, uh, we have several credit cards, though. We have a gas card, our Visa, and then, of course, the American Express, and I think we have a couple of department stores. Uh-huh.
But, we use it the same way, and, uh, I find the one I use mostly, uh, aside from the American Express, I do use my Sears card. Uh-huh. But, uh, I try, as with the American Express, I try to pay it, you know, as it comes in. Right. Right. So, uh, It's, it's not uncommon for us to have paid it before we even get the bill. That's usually how we do it. I know when I travel, or when I used to travel overseas quite a bit, what I would do on my American Express card is before I would, before I left I would mail a check to, to American Express and, you know, have some idea of how much was there, you know, I'd sent them, you know, several hundred dollars, or whatever I felt I would spend. And then use it then. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, for hotels and, and so forth. But, uh, but I knew that it was paid I knew I knew that I had that much credit, going in. Right.
Yeah. Sometimes, you know, sometimes I would go over, but it wouldn't, you know, it wouldn't hit me in a big, in a big way because I knew that, uh, I would have it covered in that respect. Right. Right. That's good. I've, I don't think we've gone that far to pay it in you know, in advance before we spend it, but, I guess if you foresaw that you were going to have to use it, that, like that, that may be good. Well, I found I found in, um, in traveling overseas that, uh, often it would, uh, it would expedite things to have an American Express credit card for hotel bills and so forth. Uh-huh. Oh really. Yeah. Plus I would, uh, when they, uh, would send the bill, they would automatically convert to the exchange rate. Right, right. So, now, the only time that got to be a problem was, if the exchange rate changed drastically. Uh-huh. Uh, for example, I remember on one trip to France when I started planning the trip, I think, uh, a dollar was worth nine or ten Uh-huh. And when I finally got over there, it had fallen, uh, two or three francs to the dollar.
So the Wow So, I got caught a little short in that regard, Wow. but, uh uh, I, I was anticipating, you know, my room would cost, uh, let's say Yeah. if it were, say sixty or seventy francs a night that would mean it would be about ten dollars or so, or maybe twenty Right. maybe it would be more than that. It was more than. It would average out to thirty-five or forty dollars a night which is a reasonable rate. Right. Right. But then when I got back and I was working for the government at the time Uh-huh. of course the government was several months behind in, their, on its per diem for exchange rate. Right, yeah. Right. So there's a little consternation, you know, in trying to get them to compensate, for the difference in the exchange rate.
Yeah. Right. Yeah especially, That was the only time I really got caught short. And I, But as I said, most, most of all I try not to use them, uh, to any, you know, lavishly, in that regard. Yeah. Yeah, well that's good. Well, from where are you calling? Oh, from the Dallas area. So you're from okay, I'm from Maryland. Oh really. Yeah Wow. Do you work for T I? No. I work for G T E.
Well, really. Yes. Um. I wonder how T I got G T E involved. Well, I know Jack Godfrey. Oh, okay. I know him very well. I've known Jack for a long time, and I'm also in the speech business. Oh, okay. So, when I heard that Jack was going to do this, I called him and asked for an application where I could participate in this. Yeah, yeah. And, so that's how I got involved. Yeah. You have a very, um, very, what's the word. Your, your speech is very exact. Oh. Thank you very much But, as Jack said, I'm one of the, the old hands in the speech business. Oh really.
Yeah, uh. Yes, I, I've been doing it for twenty some odd years. Wow. And so, uh, I was very much interested, uh, in getting involved in, uh, switchboard. Yeah. So, uh, you work for T I? Right. I work in . Oh, really? Yeah. I guess we're supposed to do this part of it before we started the recording Yeah I think we talked for a good eight minutes about the subject, so, I think you get ten, so I think we're okay. Alright. Okay, fine. Well, you have a good evening.
Well, you too. It's been pleasant talking to you. Same here. Take care. Good night. Bye. Well, what would you have at a dinner party? Well, uh, lately, since I have children I've cut down on having dinner parties Uh-huh. but when I do I try to keep it pretty simple on things that I can prepare ahead of time uh, I have one recipe for, uh, a really good, um, type of a meatball. It's called burgundy meatball and it's made with red wine and, Oh, gosh, that sounds great. um It's, it's really good and you can make it ahead of time and then, um, make the sauce when you're ready to, um, to serve it. Uh-huh. That's one of my favorite things to, to serve. Well, um, I think it would probably depend on whether this was a formal or a informal dinner party.
Sure. But if it was informal, my first choice would be crawfish. Oh, really. Well, I guess being from that part of the country. Because, I mean, crawfish, everybody over here likes crawfish but you know, I, I wouldn't have to worry about satisfying my guest. Uh-huh. But if it was a formal dinner party I would probably think of something else like, uh, shrimp, shrimp fettucini is real easy to, um, make and everything Yeah. and it's usually well liked by people, I guess, I'm just a seafood fan so, I think on the lines of, Well, how do, make, how do you, you cook crawfish? I, in fact, I just came back from the grocery store and being in Texas we don't have too many, you know, people that, that eat crawfish but they had live crawfish, on sale. Oh, yeah, um, you're not supposed to, I mean, you're not supposed to eat them dead. I mean, well, you eat them dead
Uh-huh. but, Don't buy them that way Right. Because if, if they are dead for too long, you can always tell whenever they're cooked if they've been dead for a long time because their tail straightens out. Uh-huh. And you're not supposed to eat those because they're bad for you. Okay. Well, I'll remember that. Yeah, so if you ever go in a restaurant, order crawfish, I mean, every once in a while you'll see I mean, it doesn't happen very often because it's just an accident but if the tail is straight on it then, yeah, don't eat it. Uh-huh. But, um, you just put some Cajun, well, lots of pepper Uh-huh. and you just boil them and they're absolutely wonderful
but there's, uh, they're a pain to peel for some people. Once you get used to it they're real easy but, um, you know, if you have nails or anything you can plan on those being shot. Huh. When you were, um, when you serve it do you shell them and then serve em too? I think for a dinner party I, I don't know it depends. Um-hum. Like if, like my age, if there was a bunch of college kids coming over for a dinner party, no, I, they would shell their own, Sure. you know, we'd just have crawfish and beer or something but, um, if it was more formal like if I was, you know, working environment then I would probably, um, shell 'em or at least disconnect them from the head But there's a, There's a, big thing over here that everybody sucks the head. Still have see that. slash error Ooh slash error should be 'ba' So, um it, it would just depend. That's the best part of the crawfish. Sucking the head But um I don't know it it just depends on what type it was I guess But you can buy uh the crawfish shells already peeled 'n everything
And usually you use those like for frying or to put in salads or to um You know make a sauce with or something like that Um-hum But you can go ahead and buy 'em cooked and shelled and they're more expensive of course but Does it taste a lot like shrimp Um Yeah Uh-huh. Yeah. Just um The crawfish I mean it just has a taste of its own It also depends on who's cooking it and how much seasoning they use stuff like that Sure but um I think that And also to get totally off the subject of crawfish lots of vegetables and hors d'oeuvres and stuff like that for a dinner party I think that that really helps Yeah. We have a a friend another couple where the husband is the one who cooks all the time And That's what I need Yeah that's what I wish I had
but in our family I am the one who who cooks And I I really enjoy it it's gotten a little more difficult with kids But I really do enjoy cooking And we um we have them over for dinner back and forth quite a lot Uh-huh And before I had my second child we sort of had a contest going where you know he would cook and then the next time it would be my turn and I'd try to outdo him and then he'd try to outdo me Oh! and we we was really a lot of fun I bet and that that got pretty competitive you know as far as who could come up with the best recipe Yeah it did we we tried to be fancier or more courses than the other That would be fun or Uh it was a lot of fun you know it something unique you know
and then we got into different um themes you know um whether it would be ethnic food Or um sometimes it would be um oh Oh I don't know maybe an outdoor theme or uh elegant theme or you know Uh huh It was a lot of fun Sometimes it might be the candlelight and sometimes it might be the picnic out back or something That's right Well that's you know that's fun it was fun and and we threatened to make the other two uh make us dinner one time Uh Just to even it out since we seemed to be unfairly doing all the cooking and they were doing all the enjoying Uh huh That sounds right I would I'd take him up on that I'm It does except that knowing them they would probably do something ridiculous and terrible just just to uh make sure that they didn't have to do it again Uh huh I'd be make hot dogs or some potato chips I that's about how much I can cook You know I'm I'm doing a lot more cooking now than I used to Uh-huh
but that's only because my mom just started working so she's tired when she comes home in the afternoon so I try to have things cooked for her but uh um I usually try to stay out of kitchen Oh that's nice I don't know not one of my favorite hobbies It can it can be fun I if you have the time But you know a lot of times it's too much of a rush really be able to enjoy it able to Well um my grandma speaking of those meatballs again she owned every Christmas and and Easter whenever we have at the big get-together over at her house she makes this meat ball sauce and it has I don't know they are just kind of like quarter size meatballs and they are absolutely delicious Uh-huh I don't know what she calls them in I don't I'm sure she puts wine in it because um she cooks everything with alcohol But um
I don't know I would I would be interested in getting that recipe for you if you have it around Yeah it's um it's in the other room I don't know if we have enough time for it Oh it's real easy one of the unique things in this it's like a pound of ground beef some bread crumbs um an egg um whatever seasonings you can just light Yeah so salt and pepper Um and chopped up water chestnuts which is something different um Oh that would be wonderful makes them a little bit crunchy you need to chop em up real fine Yeah But um it makes them crunchy and that adds something new to it And then the sauce is just made with um bouillion cubes water burgundy wine and um cornstarch instead of flour Um-hum
Oh So it's not a it's not a thick rich type of a sauce it's more of a when you use corn starch in in gravy like you know when you have um Chinese food Um-hum And it gives it a bit of a different consistency Well um how long do you cook the meatballs The meatballs you just um after you form them fry them in a pan until they're uh browned on all all sides Uh huh and then drain off all the grease Uh then what I usually do is I freeze them And then when you're ready to serve them then you cook the sauce and then put the meatballs into the sauce And heat it Oh yeah probably you have to heat it up for a good oh if they're frozen you know it may take a half for them to thaw out But then heat them thoroughly in the sauce itself Let them simmer in the sauce itself Hum and it's real good
That sounds great Especially I mean the fact that you can prepare the meatballs so so far in advance Right. I mean like if if you are having a dinner party on Wednesday night you could do it on a weekend And then freeze them Sure That would be great I think I'm going to have to keep that in mind for my future because I hope to have to have lots of dinner parties Cause I like to I mean um Um I'm sure that I'll be involved in a big company and I know that my future husband will be You know He's going to be working for Chevron in Houston Uh-huh. so he's going to be Um You know I'm sure that dinner parties will come in handy Yeah you'll meet friends invite invite the boss over and and friends at work Oh yeah I have to impress the boss and clients cause Um I'm in I'm in public relations in school Uh-huh.
so I'm going to have You know my whole job's going to be based on my clients 'n stuff like that so I'm going to have lots of dinner parties Sure. And have to take 'em out to eat Right now I'm taking a class on ettiquesy * Did she really say "ettiquesy"?? and all the little bitty things that I didn't even know Oh really I mean I thought for sure I'd been raised properly but I've been doing a lot of things wrong I didn't know about but um So Is there anything else Well I I think we've covered the subject I got some interesting information about crawfish I was in fact It's good cause I was curious about that today when I saw those for sale Oh yes you need to try em Oh they're wonderful. Oh I will
I'm sure my husband will be surprised, 'cause we were talking about them the other day before Okay, so which, uh, what basketball teams are you interested in? Well, I guess I'm a big Laker, L A Laker fan, when it comes to pros. Uh-huh. Uh, the college ranks, um, I guess I really, of course I try to follow my alma mater, that's, uh, B Y U, in Utah. Uh-huh But they don't have much of a team usually. No, they're more of a football team than they are basketball team. Yeah, yeah. You see them in football on T V once in awhile. Yeah. You never see them on a, on nationally basketball. You know, that's true. I don't think I've ever seen them nationally on basketball. They, uh, last year they had a really good team,
the year that Danny Aines was there. Uh-huh. That was about five, six years ago by now. Huh. So, they made it to the sweet sixteen, once or twice, in their history, Um. That's not too bad. and that's, and they usually lose in the first round. Uh-huh. How about you? Well, I'm, uh, originally from the Saint Louis area, so the only basketball team, pro anyway, in that part of the country is Chicago. So, I, I do pull for Chicago. Uh-huh. I mean, of course, this year is a good year to be a, a Chicago fan, I guess, because they're doing pretty good. Is it the Bulls you're talking about? Yeah, yeah. Yeah,
the pro, Um, as far as college teams, uh, I know it's really easy to say, but I've been pulling for, uh, Duke for about four years now so, uh, so, I finally am feeling better about myself as far as college teams. Although, I've, I've really, you know, Is that right? again being from Saint Louis, I pull for Missouri. Uh-huh. Uh, but they're on, uh, probation this year so you can't do much about that. No, no. But, uh, So, did you watch the, uh, final four this year? Oh, yeah. I watched every, uh, I watched all three games of that. Every game? And, uh, I was very pleased with all three games, because Kansas, uh, you know, I was pulling for Kansas on the other side, so it was real nice to have the, the teams that were there. Right,
right. Of course, I wasn't really, I mean, I, I, U N L V kind of gave me the impression of being a, uh, uh, oh, I don't know, a macho team, you know, they just didn't seem, they seemed to think they were better than everybody else and, and maybe they were, but, um, I was real happy to see them get knocked off. So, Yeah. I, I watched that game. Uh-huh. and, uh, it was a good game. Oh, yeah. It was a very close game, and hard fought game. And it just, I don't know, it looked like U N L V may have had more, uh, talent, Yeah. but, as far as playing together as a team that day, it didn't, Duke seemed to have them off balance. Uh-huh.
And that, uh, they didn't, couldn't, aren't they more of a running gun team ? U N L V, yeah, they, they play the pro style, is, what I've always called it. Right. And, uh, Yeah, fast breaks and things and, yeah, the fast breaks and, and, They shut all that down and made them play half court it seemed and, Right. And, uh, U N L V wasn't used to that. Of course, I've, I knew whenever U N L V went in at half time, see I don't know if they were necessarily behind, but they weren't ahead as much as they normally are. Right. Uh, and, you know, that meant that they had to play a second half
and they, they've not had to do that all year and, uh, Right, right. They didn't have, they didn't have to go through some tough games during the year and that, and that, so that's a terrible time to have to deal with that, right in, when it, when it counts so much. That's right. I mean Duke's schedule was, was so much harder than U N L V's that it, uh, it just made them a much tougher team overall, Right. and, uh, that had to help them a lot. I think, I think that, that probably was the difference in that game. Uh-huh. Because it really could have gone either way. Down to the end, you know. So do I take it that you think though that the Lakers will, uh, will win Well, or, I don't know. Probably not. I mean, Portland's pretty good. Um, Since Kareem's retired, they haven't had a center.
Yeah. And, uh, they've got Perkins, Yeah. but I don't think he's really been a super star for them. No. Well, he's, uh, I don't, I, he, he to me is not a center, he's more of a, a real tall forward Yeah. Right, right. Uh, So, I think Magic does a, They'll make it, you know, it, it's going to be a war between, uh, between Chicago and, uh, and, uh, uh, Boston Celtics. Oh, yeah. That's going to be a war.
That sure is. It, It's going to be a great series. I think that's going to be one of those that's, uh, that's won by the home team, you know, Yeah. whoever has home court advantage is going to win that one I think. One of those two will probably be, um, in there, um, let me see, where does Detroit fit in? Detroit's in that same, uh, that, that same, uh, division. Uh-huh. So, I don't know, those three, uh, Detroit hasn't been having that great a year this year. No, but as I heard, Isaiah came back this week. Uh-huh. So, uh, that might help them. Yeah. They have the, they have the play-off experience,
but, Oh, yeah. so does Detroit, I mean, so does Chicago. So all three of them do, with Larry Bird back, uh, Oh, yeah. you can never count the Celtics out when Larry Bird's, starting to click on all cylinders. That's true. Uh-huh. They say he's starting to do, starting to play, He's, yeah but he's been, yeah, but he's been kind of up and down all year. Right. uh, one game and he'll be playing to where everything he throws up goes in and then the next time he'll, you know, he can't seem to hit the side of a barn. Right. So, I don't know, Right. I'm, I'm kind of, I'm not sure about him this year. Last I've heard is that he's starting to peak right now. Uh-huh. Well that's when, you do it. He's, starting to be more consistent, you know, right at the right time of the year.
Yeah. Oh, any dark horses I, uh, you know, Well, the dark horses, San Antonio, San Antonio is the dark horse that could, could really flip in there, I think. Yeah that's, Yeah. Well, anybody who has David Robinson, has got to have a chance anyway. Yeah. He's got to be pretty much, you know, I use to say Akimo Lija was the dominant player, you know, when he, Uh-huh. against any team he would dominate, but Robinson's getting up there where , every game, he's just, That's right. I mean, it looks like he's going in for a dunk and they kind of just scoot out of his way or take a step back, you know, Uh-huh. nobody's got enough beef, I guess, to challenge him when he's, when he's driving hard to the hoop. Huh.

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