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From: joe13+@pitt.edu (Joseph B Stiehm)
Subject: Re: ABC coverage
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Pittsburgh
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In article <cfoy0MW00Uh_41JndV@andrew.cmu.edu> am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Anna Matyas) writes:
>
>I was skeptical before the game but was pleasantly surprised at the
>coverage. I was particularly impressed by the close range camera coverage
>of work in the corners and behind the play without losing a beat getting
>back to the puck.
>
>Thorne is good and I've always been a fan of Clement (but I miss
>Mike Emrick!). My boyfriend, who is not a hockey fan, even looked up
>at one point and said, "These guys are pretty good announcers." (This
>is the same guy who said that Rick Tocchet looks like Charles Bronson...:)
>
>Mom.
I have one complaint for the cameramen doing the Jersey-Pitt series: Show
the shots, not the hits. On more than one occassion the camera zoomed in
on a check along the boards while the puck was in the slot. They panned
back to show the rebound. Maybe Mom's camera people were a little more
experienced.
Joseph Stiehm
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From: agallagh@slate.mines.colorado.edu (GALLAGHER ANDREA J )
Subject: Detecting read-only colorcells?
Reply-To: ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov
Organization: Colorado School of Mines
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[again, poseted for a friend]
Okay, I got such great response from my last question (thanks, everyone),
lets try again:
How can I tell if a colorcell is read-only?
I want to use any read-only cells that are already in my colormap
once I start running out of allocatable cells, using some arbitrary
nearest color matching scheme to get those cells that come closest to
a requested color.
Once I determine if a cell is read-only, I assume I can then just request
an XAllocColor() with the exact same color specifications and it will
then be flagged as 'used' by my application so that it doesn't later get
freed by someone else and allocated again as read-write to another
application.
So far, the only way I've figured out to do this is to write my own
error handler and just go ahead and request the cells colors, once my
colormap is all full up. It should error out if the cell is non-shareable.
But life would be much easier if I could just detect the
read-only/shareable stuff directly...
Any ideas?
Noel (ngorelic@speclab.cr.usgs.gov)
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From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: How to the disks copy protected.
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
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In article <sehari.735357542@du139-213.cc.iastate.edu> sehari@iastate.edu (Babak Sehari) writes:
>
>I have written a program and I want to market it. I would like certain degree
>of protection, since my main custmers are individuals and not the
>cooperations. I know laser hole burning method, and hardware key method,
>however, my software is going to cost only $15.00, so I can not afford that.
>Also, at this low price I can not afford people make too many copy of my
>software. Well, I guess say upto %20 illigal copying is ok by me.
>
>However, I do not want someone to get a copy of PCTools and copy my software.
>Off course, I never meant to forbid the true hackers from copying, since they
>can develope a better program anyway.
I wouldn't bother with the copy protection, if I were you. If you program
is any good, the pirates will have stripped the protection and will be
distributing the stripped version is well under a week.
Hardware methods prevent J. Random Loser from using his Copy II PC to pirate
your software, but doesn't stop anyone who knows a few people with enough
connections to "real" pirates who _will_ be able to defeat your "check for the
hole" code.
You may want to price your software (depending on what it is) a tad
higher... a price change from $15 to $25 probably would turn off very few
potentials buyers, and that way you could tolerate more pirates (whose
numbers don't change with the price).
As for the 20% pirating figure... ha, ha. Of course, a lot of pirates just
have this "thing" about having pirated software, even if they never use it,
so perhaps that really wouldn't count towards 20%. Even so, 20% is awfully
low.
---Joel Kolstad
P.S. -- I assume you're talking PC software. If you're talking UNIX,
HP-48, or something else somewhat obscure, copy protection might be a
slightly more viable alternative.
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From: angcl@Nyongwa.CAM.ORG (Claude Angers)
Subject: Re: WP-PCF, Linux, RISC?
X-Advert: Mail/News feeds available -- email postmaster for details.
Organization: Radio Free Nyongwa -- public usenet in Montreal: (514) 284-6693
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In article <C5rx8B.Kzp@ecf.toronto.edu> leebr@ecf.toronto.edu (LEE BRIAN) writes:
>In article <1qu8ud$2hd@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> eugene@mpce.mq.edu.au writes:
>>In article <C5o1yq.M34@csie.nctu.edu.tw> ghhwang@csie.nctu.edu.tw (ghhwang) writes:
>>>
>>>Dear friend,
>>> The RISC means "reduced instruction set computer". The RISC usually has
>>>small instruction set so as to reduce the circuit complex and can increase
>>>the clock rate to have a high performance. You can read some books about
>>>computer architecture for more information about RISC.
>>
>>hmm... not that I am an authority on RISC ;-) but I clearly remember
>>reading that the instruction set on RISC CPUs is rather large.
>>The difference is in addressing modes - RISC instruction sets are not
>>as orthogonal is CISC.
>>
>>--
>
>Theoretically supposed to be reduced.... not any longer. That's why everyone
>is arguing about RISC v.s. CISC. Personally, I think CISC will win out.
>Just take a look at the Pentium! (Not that I like Intel architectures either,
>but that's another story...)
>
>bye!
>
Do you mean that the Pentium is better than a Risc? or that it will outsell
them all? If the first, you have to remember that intel CISC (like the
pentium) are a always a generation away from the best riscs... also Riscs
cpu are more costly because they are not sold in the same quantities (not
even on the same order)... but I remember reading about 3 years (maybe 2)
about a T800(?) from hypercube that did a 100 mips, was superscallar AND
reordered its instruction itself so
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From: alizard@tweekco.uucp (A.Lizard)
Subject: Re: OTO, the Ancient Order of Oriental Templars
Organization: Tweek-Com Systems BBS, Moraga, CA (510) 631-0615
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Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth NagaSiva) writes:
> "This organization is known at the present time as the Ancient
> Order of Oriental Templars. Ordo Templi Orientis. Otherwise:
> The Hermetic Brotherhood of Light.
>
Does this organization have an official e-mail address these
days? (an address for any of the SF Bay Area Lodges, e.g. Thelema
would do.)
93...
A.Lizard
-------------------------------------------------------------------
A.Lizard Internet Addresses:
alizard%tweekco%boo@PacBell.COM (preferred)
PacBell.COM!boo!tweekco!alizard (bang path for above)
alizard@gentoo.com (backup)
PGP2.2 public key available on request
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From: lady@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu (Lee Lady)
Subject: Re: Science and methodology (was: Homeopathy ... tradition?)
Summary: Is subjective judgement more reliable than statistics?
Organization: University of Hawaii (Mathematics Dept)
Expires: Mon, 10 May 1993 10:00:00 GMT
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In article <ls8lnvINNrtb@saltillo.cs.utexas.edu> turpin@cs.utexas.edu
(Russell Turpin) writes:
> ...
>*not* imply that all their treatments are ineffective. It *does*
>imply that those who rely on faulty methodology and reasoning are
>incapable of discovering *which* treatments are effective and
>which are not.)
To start with, no methodology or form of reasoning is infallible. So
there's a question of how much certainty we are willing to pay for in a
given context. Insistence on too much rigor bogs science down completely
and makes progress impossible. (Expenditure of sufficiently large sums
of money and amounts of time can sometimes overcome this.) On the other
hand, with too little rigor much is lost by basing work on results which
eventually turn out to be false. There is a morass of studies
contradicting other studies and outsiders start saying "You people call
THIS science?" (My opinion, for what it's worth, is that one sees both
these phenomena happening simultaneously in some parts of psychology.)
Some subjective judgement is required to decide on the level of rigor
appropriate for a particular investigation. I don't believe it is
ever possible to banish subjective judgement from science.
My second point, though, is that highly capable people can often make
extremely reliable judgements about scientific validity even when using
methodology considered inadequate by the usual standards. I think this
is true of many scientists and I think it is true of many who approach
their discipline in a way that is not generally recognized as scientific.
Within mathematics, I think there are several examples, especially before
the twentieth century. One conspicuous case is that of Riemann, who is
famous for many theorems he stated but did not prove. (Later
mathematicians did prove them, of course.)
I think that for a good scientist, empirical investigation is often not
so much a matter of determining what is true and what's not as it is a
matter of convincing other people. (People have proposed lots of
incompatible definitions of science here, but I think the ability to
objectively convince others of the validity of one's results is an
essential element. Not that one can necessarily do that at every step
of the scientific process, but I think that if one is not moving toward
that goal then one is not doing science.)
When a person other than a scientist is quite good at what he does and
seems to be very successful at it, I think that his judgements are also
worthy of respect and that his assertions are well worth further
investigation.
In article <C53By5.HD@news.Hawaii.Edu> I wrote:
> Namely, is there really justification for the belief that
> science is a superior path to truth than non-scientific approaches?
Admittedly, my question was not at all well posed. A considerable
amount of effort in a "serious scholarly investigation" such as I
suggested would be required simply to formulate an appropriately
specific question to try and answer.
The "science" I was thinking of in my question is the actual science
currently practiced now in the last decade of the twentieth century.
I certainly wasn't thinking of some idealized science or the mere use
of "reason and observation."
One thing I had in mind in my suggestion was the question as to whether
in many cases the subjective judgements of skilled and experienced
practitioners might be more reliable than statistical studies.
Since Russell Turpin seems to be much more familiar than I am with
the study of scientific methodology, perhaps he can tell us if there
is any existing research related to this question.
--
In the arguments between behaviorists and cognitivists, psychology seems
less like a science than a collection of competing religious sects.
lady@uhunix.uhcc.hawaii.edu lady@uhunix.bitnet
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From: Anna Matyas <am2x+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: Ron Francis
Organization: H&SS Dean's Office, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: po2.andrew.cmu.edu
In-Reply-To: <1993Apr19.170938.11226@Virginia.EDU>
Matthew Rush writes:
>Is there an award for "best back-up behind a hockey great"?
>Underneath all the hype about Lemieux, Stevens, Jagr, Ulf,
>etc., Ron Francis has quietly put together a 100 point season
>(24 goals and 76 assists in 84 games). That was probably the
>best acquisition the Penguins have made since getting Lemieux
>(apologies to Rick Tocchet, who has had a hell of a year
>himself). The Pens got just the right person at just the right
>time when they got Francis before the playoffs two years ago to
>back-up Mario. Who was the second-line center before they got
>Francis? I remember Randy Gilhen (who really plays tough, an
>ace in the face-off circle), but nobody with all the skills
>Francis has: scoring, passing, winning face-offs, and putting
>100% into every game, every night. Just wanted to glow a
little.
I know what you mean! I glow everytime Ronnie's out on the ice.
In fact, one of the neatest things about seeing the Pens in person
is that I can key in on him instead of watching what I'd probably
be seeing on tv. He does so many subtle things behind the play.
He said in an interview recently that when he was a kid his dad
stressed the importance of playing two-way hockey; that you have to
learn how to play defense as well as offense and he obviously took
that advice to heart. He was a breath of fresh air when he arrived
in Pittsburgh to the team whose forwards, for the most part, couldn't
and wouldn't play a lick of defense.
It's really difficult to assess what the key trades were that brought
all of this success to the Pens. You mention Rick Tocchet and he has
certainly helped, and even ol' Kjell has been steady. But looking at
this team you could almost take any one of them out of the line-up
permanently and replace them with an extremely mediocre player and it
wouldn't matter.
If I had to pick the top three acquisitions in recent years they would
be 1) Tom Barrasso; 2) Ron Francis; 3) Larry Murphy. (I'd love to put
Francis first but I do think the only thing that could really damage
the Pens right now would be to lose Barrasso.)
Mom.
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From: gawne@stsci.edu
Subject: Re: Vulcan? (No, not the guy with the ears!)
Distribution: na
Organization: Space Telescope Science Institute
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In article <VNci2B7w165w@inqmind.bison.mb.ca>, victor@inqmind.bison.mb.ca
(Victor Laking) writes:
> Does anyone have any info on the apparent sightings of Vulcan?
>
> All that I know is that there were apparently two sightings at
> drastically different times of a small planet that was inside Mercury's
> orbit. Beyond that, I have no other info.
The sightings were apparently spurious. There is no planet inside of
the orbit of Mercury.
The idea of Vulcan came from the differences between Mercury's observed
perihelion precession and the value it should have had according to
Newtonian physics. Leverrier made an extensive set of observations
and calculations during the mid 19th century, and Simon Newcombe later
improved on the observations and re-calculated using Leverrier's system
of equations. Now Leverrier was one of the co-discoverers of Neptune
and since he had predicted its existence based on anomalies in the orbit
of Uranus his inclination was to believe the same sort of thing was
afoot with Mercury.
But alas, 'twere not so. Mercury's perihelion precesses at the rate
it does because the space where it resides near the sun is significantly
curved due to the sun's mass. This explanation had to wait until 1915
and Albert Einstein's synthesis of his earlier theory of the electrodynamics
of moving bodies (commonly called Special Relativity) with Reimanian
geometry. The result was the General Theory of Relativity, and one of
it's most noteworthy strengths is that it accounts for the precession
of Mercury's perihelion almost exactly. (Exactly if you use Newcomb's
numbers rather than Leverrier's.)
Of course not everybody believes Einstein, and that's fine. But subsequent
efforts to find any planets closer to the sun than Mercury using radar
have been fruitless.
-Bill Gawne
"Forgive him, he is a barbarian, who thinks the customs of his tribe
are the laws of the universe." - G. J. Caesar
Any opinions are my own. Nothing in this post constitutes an official
statement from any person or organization.
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From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: Fifth Amendment and Passwords
Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
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In article <C5Jzsz.Jzo@cs.uiuc.edu> kadie@cs.uiuc.edu (Carl M Kadie) writes:
>ashall@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (Andrew S Hall) writes:
>
>>I am postive someone will correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't the Fifth
>>also cover not being forced to do actions that are self-incriminating?
>[From Mike Godwin <mnemonic@eff.org>, posted with permission - Carl]
>No, but they could compell you to produce the key to a safe where, as it
>happens, evidence that will convict you is stored.
>
>The crypto-key disclosure issue hasn't come up yet, but current law
>suggests that it's a loser for the defendant--he'll be compelled to turn
>over the key.
>
>The test for compelled self-incrimination is whether the material to
>be disclosed *in itself* tends to inculpate the discloser. In the example
>I gave above, the safe key itself has no testimonial value--ergo, it can
>be disclosed under compulsion (e.g., subpoena duces tecum).
>Moreover, the government can always immunize the disclosure of a crypto
>key--compelling you to disclose the key at the price of not using the fact
>of your disclosure as evidence in the case against you. Of course, they
>can use whatever they discover as a result of this disclosure against
>you.
>--Mike
Lets carry this one step further. Suppose the text of the key is
in itself conclusive evidence of the SAME CRIME for which the
encrypted material is further evidence. I find myself envisaging a
scenario like this:
You have made some scans of Peanuts strips. You encrypt them. The key
is a phrase.
The Comic Police haul you in. They seize your system. They find the
encrypted file.
CP: "Whats that file?"
You: "I take the fifth."
CP: "What's the keyphrase to that file?"
You: "I take the fifth."
Judge: "You have to reveal the keyphrase" [I disagree, but I'm not a judge.]
You: "Your Honor, revealing the keyphrase, in it's own right, would
tend to incriminate me of breaking laws, independent of what
may or may not be in the encrypted file."
Judge: "I grant you immunity from whatever may be learned from the key
itself"
You: "The keyphrase is: "I confess to deliberately evading copyright;
the file encoded with this keyphrase contains illegal scans of
copyrighted Peanuts strips.""
Judge and CP: "Oh."
How will they get you now? I'm not saying that they won't, or
can't (or even that they shouldn't :-), but what legal mechanism will
they use? Should we be crossposting this to misc.legal?
Peter Trei
ptrei@mitre.org
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Organization: City University of New York
From: <NT3QC@CUNYVM.BITNET>
Subject: RE: Hot new 3D software
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I don't think speed has been determined, since it has never run on Intel chips.
But on the Amiga's Motorola Chips, it was one of the fastest true 'Ray Tracers'
I don't think Impulse would port it over and not take speed into consideration.
In terms of features, and learning curve... ALL that you stated for 3DS is also
true for Imagine, and lots more... But I'll have to admit that after 3 years of
use on the Amiga, the learning curve is very steep. This is due ONLY to the
manual. It is realy BAD. However, there is a lot of after market support for
this product, including regular 'Tips' articles in many magazines such as "AVID
and a great book by Steve Worley called "Understanding Imagine 2.0" This book i
is not just recommened, IT IS A MUST!
I think an important consideration should be price......
$3000 for 3DS (Not including "tool" packages)
Under $500 for Imagine complete.
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From: pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Article-I.D.: rwing.2089
Distribution: na
Organization: Totally Unorganized
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In article <1993Apr19.193528.5655@cs.ucla.edu> geoff@ficus.cs.ucla.edu (Geoffrey Kuenning) writes:
>In article <2073@rwing.UUCP> pat@rwing.UUCP (Pat Myrto) writes:
>
>> fishing expeditions without the target's knowlege. Don't give up the
>> right to be safe from that - that should be non-negotiable, and Clinton
>> and Co. know it (which is probably why they quietly developed this thing,
>> figuring if they get it this far, they can ram it on through).
>
>It always amazes me how quick people are to blame whatever
>administration is current for things they couldn't possibly have
>initiated. This chip had to take *years* to develop, yet already
>we're claiming that the Clinton administration sneaked it in on us.
>Bullshit. The *Bush* administration and the career Gestapo were
>responsible for this horror, and the careerists presented it to the
>new presidency as a fait accompli. That doesn't excuse Clinton and
>Gore from criticism for being so stupid as to go for it, but let's lay
>the body at the proper door to start with.
You are so correct - Clinton did not initiate it. He just cast it in
GRANITE by implimenting, NOT stopping the DECISION. I also stated in another
post I don't give a damn what administration does it, I still find it
totally unacceptable, and whoever impliments it or rams it down our throats
ought to be run out of office.
Also, Bush was not trying to deprive us of our Second Amendment rights.
Clinton is BUSTING HIS BUTT in that regard. That reveals a total difference
in philosophy. Clinton appears to support the idea of TOTAL people
control. Eavesdropping whenever they feel like it, no real security
for the common person, and no ability to defend oneself against illegal
attack, from whatever source. "Trust us, we will protect (and control)
you... if we don't find it inconvenient..."
Clinton has also shown his utter contempt for public disclosure and
accountability, as well. He had plenty of time to change the policy.
HE DIDN'T. HE EXPANDED ON IT.
I bet had Bush been in office, you would be in there howling louder
than I.
--
pat@rwing.uucp [Without prejudice UCC 1-207] (Pat Myrto) Seattle, WA
If all else fails, try: ...!uunet!pilchuck!rwing!pat
WISDOM: "Only two things are infinite; the universe and human stupidity,
and I am not sure about the former." - Albert Einstien
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From: jbrown@stein.u.washington.edu (Jeffery Brown)
Subject: Re: Early BBDDD Returns?
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
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NNTP-Posting-Host: stein.u.washington.edu
In article <1993Apr16.073051.9160@news.cs.brandeis.edu> st902415@pip.cc.brandeis.edu writes:
>Just curious if anyone has started to standout early in the season in the
>BB DDD this year....
The tater that Jack Morris served to Griffey the Younger in his first
at-bat this year went 394 feet, if I remember right (I'll have to check
my scorecard at home). I think that's the longest so far in the Kingdome
through the first stand (five games) there. A weak showing, despite some
promising taterball candidates ... Ben McDonald, Rich DeLucia, and the
rest of the Mariner bullpen ... making appearances.
Anyone have the tape-measure value for Omar Vizquel's grand slam in the
Skydome?
---
Jeff Brown Big Enchilada of the Brown Bag Lunches
Astronomy Dept. jbrown@u.washington.edu
U. of Washington jbrown@phast.phys.washington.edu
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From: dean@fringe.rain.com (Dean Woodward)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Organization: Organization for Mass Confusion.
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cjackson@adobe.com (Curtis Jackson) writes:
> In article <MJMUISE.38.733926270@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca> MJMUISE@1302.wats
> }I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will
> }usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you
> }could very well be over the legal limit.
> }Watch yourself.
>
> Indeed, especially if you are "smart" and eat some food with your
> drink. The food coating the stomach lining (especially things like
> milk) can temporarily retard the absorption of alcohol. When the
> food is digested, the absorption will proceed, and you will
> actually be drunker (i.e., have a higher instantaneous BAC) than
> you would have been if you had drunk 1 drink/hr. on an empty stomach.
>
> Put another way, food can cause you to be less drunk than drinking on
> an empty stomach early on in those five hours, but more drunk than
> drinking on an empty stomach later in those five hours.
> --
> Curtis Jackson cjackson@mv.us.adobe.com '91 Hawk GT '81 Maxim 650
> DoD#0721 KotB '91 Black Lab mix "Studley Doright" '92 Collie/Golden "George
> "There is no justification for taking away individuals' freedom
> in the guise of public safety." -- Thomas Jefferson
Again, from my alcohol server's class:
The absolute *most* that eating before drinking can do is slow the absorption
down by 15 minutes. That gives me time to eat, slam one beer, and ride like
hell to try to make it home in the 10 minutes left after paying, donning
helmet & gloves, starting bike...
--
Dean Woodward | "You want to step into my world?
dean@fringe.rain.com | It's a socio-psychotic state of Bliss..."
'82 Virago 920 | -Guns'n'Roses, 'My World'
DoD # 0866
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From: chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov (Charles Cilek)
Subject: How is slugging percentage computed?
Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway
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NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Subject line says it all. Thanks in advance. Please email
chuck@cygnus.eid.anl.gov
Go Cubs!
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From: wil@shell.portal.com (Ville V Walveranta)
Subject: Joystick suggestions?
Nntp-Posting-Host: jobe
Organization: Portal Communications Company
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
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I'm planning on buying a joystick (first time since I sold
my Amiga five years ago :) for a PC. I have no idea what
kind of stick I should buy. Many people have recommended
variety of Gravis'es models. Are they any good/the best?
-- Willy
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** 96 Linda Ave., Apt. #5 From Finland: 990-1-510-420-0729 ***
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From: cj@eno.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio)
Subject: Re: Tieing Abortion to Health Reform -- Is Clinton Nuts?
Reply-To: cj@sgi.com
Organization: SGI Developer Docudramas
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In article <C4z3xw.3EF@news.cso.uiuc.edu>, parker@ehsn21.cen.uiuc.edu writes:
| I like the way people call it "cruel and unusual punishment", as if
| imprisonment isn't cruel, too. Lethal injection pales in comparison.
| And, they have a death sentence because they were convicted of a cruel
| and unusual *crime*.
It's not what they did that matters. It's what *you* do and
what *I* do and what *we* do in response that matters. Do we
lessen ourselves by killing in response to killing? It's
vengeance. That's all. It's no deterrent. It serves no
purpose but to slake somebody's blood lust.
| It would be nice, though, if we never convicted someone of a crime they
| didn't commit, and it would make the death penalty much more justifiable.
Yeah yeah yeah... and sure would be nice if we didn't apply the
death penalty disproportionately to minorities. I'll revisit my
opinion on the death penalty when there are more whites up for
it than blacks. I.e., when hell freezes over.
---
C J Silverio cj@sgi.com ceej@well.sf.ca.us
"The people causing the trouble were socialists and homosexuals,
the typical sort of person who opposes us." --Don Treshman,
ex-Klansman, leader of the "pro-life" group Rescue America,
on BBC TV, 2 April 1993.
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From: rudim@cs.kuleuven.ac.be (Rudi Maelbrancke)
Subject: EMM386.EXE and Windows and Dos6
Nntp-Posting-Host: piaget.cs.kuleuven.ac.be
Organization: Dept. Computerwetenschappen
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In Windows I created a permanent Swap-file of 7771Kb as win3.1
recommended me to do that (32bit access).
If I use EMM386.EXE, after win3.1 startup I have 6689K of memory
free, if I leave EMM386.EXE out of my config.sys I have 9935K
of memory free, and windows recommends me a swap file of 11769K.
I use DOS6, with memmaker, have 4MB of internal Memory and a 486DX,
Does anybody knows why this is happening (possibly win needs
some UMB's to manage virtual memory?, If true, which UMB's, those
that EMM386 can find without including suspicious parts?)
I need an optimized DOS-environment, because i develop applications for
DOS using a windows programming environment.
Rudi
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From: loss@fs7.ECE.CMU.EDU (Doug Loss)
Subject: Jemison on Star Trek
Organization: Electrical and Computer Engineering, Carnegie Mellon
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I saw in the newspaper last night that Dr. Mae Jemison, the first
black woman in space (she's a physician and chemical engineer who flew
on Endeavour last year) will appear as a transporter operator on the
"Star Trek: The Next Generation" episode that airs the week of May 31.
It's hardly space science, I know, but it's interesting.
Doug Loss
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From: lepper@logopolis.mct.anl.gov (Matt Lepper 2-5950)
Subject: Help with 3C503 and NCSA Telnet
Organization: Argonne National Laboratory, Argonne, Illinois
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
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Help!
I'm trying to configure NCSA Telnet v2.3.05 to work with a 3C503 ethernet
board. I can use FTP fine, but whenever I attempt to use Telnet, the
machine hangs with a blank screen and a blinking green cursor. Any ideas?
Please e-mail:
lepper@maat.mct.anl.gov
mjlepper@mtu.edu
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From: gaijin@ale.Japan.Sun.COM (John Little - Nihon Sun Repair Depot)
Subject: Re: So, do any police ossifers read this stuff?
Organization: Nihon Sun Microsystems - Atsugi Technical Centre - JAPAN.
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Keywords: Bear
(J. R. Laferriere) writes:
%
% I was just wondering if there were any law officers that read this. I have
% several questions I would like to ask pertaining to motorcycles and cops.
%
What happened to Charlie Lear?? He used to have "connections", didn't
he?
(Hey, this is cyberspace mister... you wanna 'stateside cop, ya gotta'
specify!)
--
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| John Little - gaijin@Japan.Sun.COM - Sun Microsystems. Atsugi, Japan |
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From: Mark.Prado@p2.f349.n109.z1.permanet.org (Mark Prado)
Subject: Sixty-two thousand (was Re: How many read sci.space?)
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Reply address: mark.prado@permanet.org
If anyone knows anyone else who would like to get sci.space,
but doesn't have an Internet feed (or has a cryptic Internet
feed), I would be willing to feed it to them. I have a nice
offline message reader/editor, an automated modem "mailer"
program which will pick up mail bundles (quickly and easily),
and an INSTALL.EXE to set them up painlessly. No charge for
the sci.space feed, though you have to dial Washington, D.C.
This is NOT a BBS -- it's a store & forward system for mail
bundles, with minimum connect times. (I'm used to overseas
calls.) (This is not an offer for a free feed for any other
particular newsgroups.) Speeds of up to 14400 (v32bis) are
supported. VIP's might be offered other free services, such
as Internet address and other functionality.
I get my feed from UUNET and run a 4-line hub. I've been
hubbing for years -- I have an extremely reliable hub.
The software I provide runs under MS-DOS (and OS/2 and Windows
as a DOS box). Other, compatible software packages exist for
the MacIntosh and Unix.
Any responses should be private and go to:
mark.prado@permanet.org
(By the way, to all, my apologies for the public traffic on my
glib question. I really didn't expect public replys. But thanks
to Bill Higgins for the interesting statistics and the lead.)
* Origin: PerManNet FTSC <=> Internet gateway (1:109/349.2)
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Subject: Re: Death Penalty (was Re: Political Atheists?)
From: SSAUYET@eagle.wesleyan.edu (SCOTT D. SAUYET)
Distribution: world
Organization: Wesleyan University
Nntp-Posting-Host: wesleyan.edu
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jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes: >
( in <1993Apr16.163729.867@batman.bmd.trw.com> )
( responding to Dave "First With Official A.A Nickname" Fuller )
[ ... ]
> The death penalty IS a deterrent, Dave. The person executed will never
> commit a crime again. Guaranteed. [ ... ]
That means that it is an effective anti-recidivism measure. It does
not say that it deters an individual from committing a capital crime
in the first place.
The true question is whether the threat of death is likely to actually
stop one from murdering. (Or commiting treason -- are there any other
capital crimes anywhere in the USA?) That is, if there were no death
penalty, would its introduction deter a would-be criminal from
committing her/his crime? I doubt it.
This is only the first step. Even if it were a strong deterrent
(short of being a complete deterrent) I would reject it. For what
about the case of the innocent executed?
And even if we could eliminate this possibility, I would reject the
death penalty as immoral. This makes me something of a radical on
the issue, although I think there are many opponents of captial
punishment who agree with me, but who find the innocent executed the
strongest argument to make.
I would, if magically placed in charge, facilitate state-aided suicide
for criminals who have life-sentences. This could be a replacement
for capital punishment. Those who don't want to live the rest of
their lives in jail would always have this option.
-- Scott Sauyet ssauyet@eagle.wesleyan.edu
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From: amigan@cup.portal.com (Mike - Medwid)
Subject: Re: Emphysema question
Organization: The Portal System (TM)
Distribution: na
<1993Apr15.180621.29465@radford.vak12ed.edu> <9072@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
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Thanks to all who replied to my initial question. I've been away in
New Jersey all week and was surprised to see all the responses
when I got back.
To the person asking about nicotine patches, there are four on the
market:
Habitrol - Ciba Pharmaceuticals
Nicoderm - Marion Merill Dow (Alza made)
Nicotrol - Warner Lambert (Cygnus made)
ProStep - Made by Elan and marketed by ??
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From: Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu (Rupin Dang)
Subject: Minolta FD 50 mm forsale
Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH
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Minolta FD 50 mm lens for sale. Good condition. Asking $30.
Rupin.Dang@dartmouth.edu
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM
Subject: Re: fillibuster
Summary: Proceedure
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.4-b1
Keywords:
Organization: ASK Computer Systems, Ingres Product Division
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In article <C5JpL7.5Cz@dscomsa.desy.de>, hallam@zeus02.desy.de writes...
>In article <1993Apr12.002302.5262@martha.utcc.utk.edu>, PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal) writes:
>|>>And like the house of lords which it is copied from it was given pretty
>|>>wide powers. Unfortunately they started to use them and thus the gridlock
>|>>set in.
>|>
>|> I wasn't aware the House of Lords had "wide powers." I was under the
>|>impression is was pretty powerless compared to the House of Commons, and
>|>certainly didn't have almost equal their powers. (The Senate is restricted
>|>only that it may not introduce bills relating to raising revenue.)
>
>The Senate was less powerful than the House of Lords in the period in question.
>The stripping of the powers of the House of Lords did not occur until 1914
>and David Llloyd George's budget. Even despite this the House of Lords has
>considerable power even today and is far from a rubber stamping body.
>
Just how much power does the House of Lords have now?
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"This is still just culture shock. You wait till I've Garrett@Ingres.com
settled into the situation and found my bearings.
THEN I'll start panicking!" - Douglas Adams
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From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)
Subject: Help adding a SCSI Drive
Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com
Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those
of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
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I have a 486sx25 computer with a 105 Mg Seagate IDE drive and a controler
built into the motherboard. I want to add a SCSI drive (a quantum prodrive
425F 425 MG formatted). I have no documentation at all and I need your
help!
As I understand it, here is the process of adding such a drive. Could you
please tell me if I'm right..
1- Buy a SCSI contoler. Which one? I know Adaptec is good, but they are
kind of expensive. Are there any good boards in the $100 region? I want
it to be compatible with OS2 and Unix if possible. Also, I have seen on
the net that there are SCSI and SCSI2 drives. Is this true? Does the
adapter need to be the same as the drive? What type of drive is the
quantum?
2- connect the drive to the adapter via a SCSI cable and the power cable.
Do i have to worry about the power supply? I think I have 200 watts and
all I'm powering are two floppies and the seagate drive.
3- Setup the BIOS to recognize the drive as the second drive. What type
of drive is this? I don't have the numbers for this drive.
4- Format and create partitions on the drive. Do I use format or fdisk? I
think that IDE drives can't be low-level formatted. Is it the same with
SCSI? How exactly does fdisk work? I have a reduced msdos 5.0 manual
(clone obliges) and there is no mention of fdisk. Ideally, I would want
the drive partitioned in to two partitions D: and E: how do I do this?
Well that seems to be all. Is there anythiing I'm forgetting?
Any help is *really* appreciated, I'm lost...
-Eric
ebosco@us.oracle.com
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From: kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu (Keith Keller)
Subject: Re: Keenan signs with the Rangers!!
Organization: University of Pennsylvania, School of Arts and Sciences
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In article <1993Apr16.175300.98134@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> cpc4@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (CONNIN PATRICK COLGAIN) writes:
>Just heard on the news that Mike Keenan formerly of the Blackhawks, Flyers,
>and General of a Siberian Prison has just signed to coach the Rangers. The
>Rangers, who won the President's Cup last year have slipped just a bit at the
>end of the season and are destined to finish last behind the lowly Flyers.
>The Flyers' fans are going to be disappointed on Keenans decision, because
>they were very interested in him. Oh well.
At least we got somebody the Flyers wanted ;-)
Is this really true? I have not been keeping up with any news. If it is,
what's the deal with Neil Smith? Is he gone, too?
--
Keith Keller LET'S GO RANGERS!!!!!
LET'S GO QUAKERS!!!!!
kkeller@mail.sas.upenn.edu IVY LEAGUE CHAMPS!!!!
"When I want your opinion, I'll give it to you."
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From: ajjb@adam4.bnsc.rl.ac.uk (Andrew Broderick)
Subject: Re: Solar Sail Data
Keywords: Solar Sail
Organization: Rutherford Appleton Lab, UK
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In article <1993Apr15.051746.29848@news.duc.auburn.edu> snydefj@eng.auburn.edu writes:
>
>I am looking for any information concerning projects involving Solar
> Sails
I was at an interesting seminar at work (UK's R.A.L. Space Science
Dept.) on this subject, specifically on a small-scale Solar Sail
proposed as a student space project. The guy giving the talk was keen to
generate interest in the project. I'll typein the handout he gave out at
the meeting. Here goes :
The Microlight Solar Sail
-------------------------
1. Introduction
The solar sail is a well-established concept. Harnessing the pressure of
sunlight, a spacecraft would have unlimited range. In principle, such a
vehicle could explore the whole Solar System with zero fuel consumption.
However it is more difficult to design a practical solar sail than most
people realize. The pressure of sunlight is only about one kilogram per
square kilometer. Deploying and controlling the large area of aluminized
fabric which would be necessary to transport a 'conventional' type
spacecraft is a daunting task. This is why, despite the potential of hte
idea, no such craft has actually been launched to date.
2.Design
Recent advances in microelectronics make possible a different concept: a
tiny sail just a few metres in diameter which could be controlled purely
be electronics, with no mechanical parts. Several attitude control
methods are feasible: for example the pressure sunlight exerts on a
panel of solar cells varies according to whether power is being drawn.
The key components of the craft will be a minute CCD camera developed at
Edinburgh University which can act as both attitude sensor and data
gathering device; solar cells providing ~1 watt power for control and
communication; and a directional radio antenna etched onto the surface
of the sail itself. Launched as a piggyback payload, the total cost of
the mission can be limited to a few tens of thousands of dollars.
3.Missions
The craft would be capable of some ambitious missions. For example:
a) It could rendezvous with a nearby asteroid from the Apollo or Amor
groups. Closeup pictures could be transmitted back to Earth at a low bit
rate.
b) It could be steered into a lunar polar orbit. Previously unobserved
areas around the lunar poles could be viewed. By angling the sail to
reflect sunlight downwards, polar craters whose bases never receive
sunlight could be imaged. Bright reflections would confirm that
volatiles such as water ice have become trapped in these
locations.[Immensely valuable information for setting up a manned lunar
base, BTW]
c) It could be sent to rendezvous with a small asteroid or comet
nucleus. Impacting at low speed, a thin wire probe attached to the craft
causes it to rebound while capturing a tiny sample is a sharp-edged
tube, like performing a biopsy. Returning to Earth, the sail acts as an
ideal re-entry parachute: load per unit area 20 gm/m2 ensures that heat
is reradiated so efectively that the sail temperature cannot exceed ~300
deg C. The material sample is recovered, enclosed in a small insulating
container.
Contact: Colin Jack Tel. 0865-200447
Oxford Mathematical Designs, 131 High Street, Oxford OX1 4DH, England
--------------------------------
This guy would love to hear from anyone interested in this project or
seeking details or anything, and would be most happy to send you more
information.
Andy
--
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Andy Jonathan J. Broderick, | "I have come that they might have |
Rutherford Lab., UK | life, and have it to the full" |
Mail : ajjb@adam2.bnsc.rl.ac.uk | - Jesus Christ |
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From: erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith)
Subject: Re: Hilter and homosexuals
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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cramer@optilink.COM (Clayton Cramer) writes:
><ericsC4x1K9.Apz@netcom.com>, erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes:
>> gsmith@lauren.iwr.uni-heidelberg.de (Gene W. Smith) writes:
># #Are you saying that:
>#
># #(1) People voted for Hitler, and he became Reich Chancellor, in good
># #part because he used bully boys to attack communists,
># Hitler did not become become Reich Chancellor because people voted for
># him. I'm not sure if you meant to imply that or not, but I just thought
># I'd bring that up.
>Hitler became Chancellor because people voted for his political
>party. That's not a huge difference in a parliamentary system.
Your statement is a common misconception, but it just isn't true. In the
German Weimar system, the Chancellor was not necessarily the leader of the
largest Reichstag party; the Chancellor was appointed by the President and
generally was the leader of a coalition of parties who could form an effective
majority in the Reichstag. Beyond that, the implication that Hitler rose to
the Chancellorship because a majority of Germans wanted Nazi rule is false
as well. Before President Hindenburg appointed Hitler Chancellor in January
1933, the German people did not show a particular desire to be led either by
Hitler or by the Nazi party. These are the results of the March 1932 election
for President, the closest Hitler ever came to direct election: Hindenburg
49.6%, Hitler 30.1%, Thaelmann 13.2%, Duesterberg 6.8%. In the runoff election
in April the results were: Hindenburg 53%, Hitler 36.8%, Thaelmann 10.2%.
So we can see that Hitler personally was supported by only about a third of
German voters.
Similarly, the Nazi party never received more than 37% of the vote in
Reichstag elections. That occurred in July 1932. In the November 1932 election
the Nazis *lost* two million votes and 34 seats, down from 230 to 196 out of
the 608 in the Reichstag. Comparitively, the Socialists had 121 and the
Communists 100. The Communists had gained 11 seats, and the German National
party, which had supported the previous government, had picked up a million
of the Nazis' lost votes to gain 15 seats (up to 52). I think the other large
party was the Catholic Center party (I don't know how many seats they had but
I think they were declining), and there were numerous other small parties.
Thus the Nazi vote was on the decline at the time Hitler was appointed
Chancellor.
What brought Hitler to power was *not* the demand of the German people for
Hitler or the Nazis to run things, but the inability of the other parties to
put their differences behind them in favor of forming an effective government
for the country. Germany did not have an enduring democratic tradition, and
their parliamentary system lacked effective center parties that favored the
interests of the majority of the population. Instead what they had was a
number of small parties who were unable to put aside their own specific
objectives in order to combine against the Nazis, who were out to end the
democratic process. In fact, part of the problem was that some of the other
parties with substantial representation, like the Communists, were also
out to end the democratic process, but with different results in mind, and
generally didn't mind seeing parliamentary democracy go under.
Germany had already had a non-Nazi Chancellor with a majority coalition
for five months while the Nazis had been the largest Reichstag party, and
there certainly was no danger of a revolution in favor of the Nazis.
If anything the Nazis were starting to get desperate because they had failed
to get enough support to make Hitler President and their popular vote had
begun to decline.
Hitler was not Hindenburg's first choice to be Chancellor, not even his
second choice. First, von Papen had been Chancellor since June 1932. After
the November election when the Nazis *lost* seats, Hindenburg first prevailed
on von Papen to remain as Chancellor. But there were intrigues behind his back
and support for him was lacking. So then Hindenburg turned to von Schleicher,
who became Chancellor for two months. Eventually he too was unable to hold
together a working coalition of parties to oppose the Nazis, who refused to
participate in any government that was not led by a Nazi Chancellor. Some of
the Nazi leadership, particularly Gregor Strasser who was the #2 man in the
party at the time, wanted to participate in a coalition government. But others,
knowing the party's support was waning, figured that their best hope to gain
power lay in undermining the democratic process. Nevertheless, the country
was governed for seven months by Chancellors who were not Nazis, even though
the Nazis were the largest Reichstag party. The failure of these men to
achieve a working coalition was due to the inability of their coalition
parties to work together.
Here's how William Shirer puts it in _The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich_:
The cardinal error of the Germans who opposed Nazism was their
failure to unite against it. At the crest of their popular strength,
in July 1932, the National Socialists had attained but 37 percent of
the vote. But the 63 percent of the German people who expressed their
opposition to Hitler were much too divided and shortsighted to combine
against a common danger which they must have known would overwhelm
them unless they united, however temporarily, to stamp it out.
True, the German people supported Hitler after he became Chancellor. But
that doesn't change the fact that there was not overwhelming support for him
*before* he was in power. The German people were not crying out for Hitler to
take over, no matter how bad economic conditions were. The leftist parties
(Socialists/Communists) probably had more support in total than the Nazis.
Hitler used the fact that others were passively or actively willing to see
the government paralyzed as a means to taking it over.
-----
Eric Smith
erics@netcom.com
erics@infoserv.com
CI$: 70262,3610
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From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <1qkq9t$66n@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de> frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
>I'll take a wild guess and say Freedom is objectively valuable. I base
>this on the assumption that if everyone in the world were deprived utterly
>of their freedom (so that their every act was contrary to their volition),
>almost all would want to complain. Therefore I take it that to assert or
>believe that "Freedom is not very valuable", when almost everyone can see
>that it is, is every bit as absurd as to assert "it is not raining" on
>a rainy day. I take this to be a candidate for an objective value, and it
>it is a necessary condition for objective morality that objective values
>such as this exist.
You have only shown that a vast majority ( if not all ) would
agree to this. However, there is nothing against a subjective majority.
In any event, I must challenge your assertion. I know many
societies- heck, many US citizens- willing to trade freedom for "security".
---
" Whatever promises that have been made can than be broken. "
John Laws, a man without the honor to keep his given word.
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From: vlasis@cybernet.cse.fau.edu (vlasis theodore)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Organization: Cybernet BBS, Boca Raton, Florida
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neilson@seoul.mpr.ca (Robert Neilson) writes:
> [sorry for the 0 auto content, but ... ]
>
> > That is why low-abiding citizens should have the power to protect themselve
> > and their property using deadly force if necessary anywhere a threat is
> > imminent.
> >
> > Steve Heracleous
>
> You do have the power Steve. You *can* do it. Why don't you? Why don't you
> go shoot some kids who are tossing rocks onto cars? Make sure you do a good
> job though - don't miss - 'cause like they have big rocks - and take it from
> me - those kids are mean.
Ditto,
I you dont do it yourself nobody, will.
Unless I am behind you, so both of us can shoot them bastards.
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: <Political Atheists?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>> The probability that the "automobile system" will kill someone
>> innocent in an accident goes asymptotically close to 1, just
>> like the court system.
>However, anyone who doesn't like the "automobile system" can
>opt out, as I have.
This isn't true. Many people are forced to use the "automobile system."
I certainly don't use it by choice. If there were other ways of getting
around, I'd do it.
>Secondly, we do try to make the "automobile system" as safe
>as possible, because we *do* recognize the danger to the
>innocent, whereas the US - the current example - is not trying
>to make the "Court System" safer, which it could fairly easily
>do by replacing fatal punishments with non-fatal punishments.
But I think that the Court system has been refined--over hundreds of
years in the US, Britain, and other countries. We have tried to make
it as fair as possible. Can it be made better (without removing the
death penalty)? Besides, life imprisonment sounds like a fatal punishment
to me.
keith
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From: kaldis@romulus.rutgers.edu (Theodore A. Kaldis)
Subject: Re: Damn Ferigner's Be Taken Over
Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J.
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In article <01APR93.17160985.0059@VM1.MCGILL.CA> CZ94@MUSICA.MCGILL.CA (CZ94) writes:
> Mark Anthony Young:
>> PPS: Many Americans have a "special legal status" based on "a mere
>> accident of birth". Only people born in the US can become president
>> of the US. And since Parliament could theoretically replace the Queen
>> with _anyone they want_ (even a "ferigner") US law is in one dimension
>> more restictive than UK law as regards birth privileges.
> This is not just theoretical. Note how "ferigner" William III was
> imported from Holland to kick out local boy James II, [...]
Which provided the basis for the denoument of the film which
introduced Errol Flynn to the world. (Love interest was Olivia de
Havilland, who went on to appear with Flynn in 7 more films.)
[Exercise for non-old-movie buffs: what film was this?]
[Exercise for old movie buffs: what were the 7 more films?]
--
The views expressed herein are | Theodore A. Kaldis
my own only. Do you seriously | kaldis@remus.rutgers.edu
believe that a major university | {...}!rutgers!remus.rutgers.edu!kaldis
as this would hold such views??? |
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From: jkeais@ucssun1.sdsu.edu (keais j)
Subject: Re: Pioneer Laser player
Article-I.D.: gondor.1pr8nn$46v
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In article <1993Apr6.005150.10250@ee.rochester.edu> neale@ee.rochester.edu (Reg Neale) writes:
>I'm trying to figure out how to operate a Pioneer Laserdisc LD-1000 that I bought at a surplus store. It is reputedly from some kind of computerised viewing
>and/or ordering system. THere is what may be an HPIB connector on the back. When
>I power it up, the front panel power light comes on, but no activity, and the
>door doesn't open. Anyone have any experience with this unit or any ideas on how
>to obtain documentation?
What you have is one of the LD players from a video game (Dragon's Lair,
Space Ace, etc). Call Pioneer Technicial Support 213-498-0300 (at least
that's the number I called them at) and ask for the LD-V1000 Interface
Guide. It shows how the parallel interface should be wired and the codes
for the commands (play, pause, reject, etc). The guide is mainly for hooking
the player to a computer, but with a little work, you could build a wired
controller.
Jim Keais jkeais@ucssun1.sdsu.edu
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From: prb@access.digex.com (Pat)
Subject: Re: Vandalizing the sky.
Organization: Express Access Online Communications USA
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In article <C5y4t7.9w3@news.cso.uiuc.edu> gfk39017@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (George F. Krumins) writes:
>It is so typical that the rights of the minority are extinguished by the
>wants of the majority, no matter how ridiculous those wants might be.
George.
It's called a democracy. The majority rules. sorry.
If ytou don't like it, I suggest you modify the constitution to include
a constitutional right to Dark Skies. The theory of government
here is that the majority rules, except in the nature of fundamental
civil rights. If you really are annoyed, get some legislation
to create a dark sky zone, where in all light emissions are protected
in the zone. Kind of like the national radio quiet zone. Did you
know about that? near teh Radio telescope observatory in West virginia,
they have a 90?????? mile EMCON zone. Theoretically they can prevent
you from running light AC motors, like air conditioners and Vacuums.
In practice, they use it mostly to control large radio users.
pat
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From: m-it2691@DOC.CS.NYU.EDU (Tim Tsai)
Subject: AWD BMW
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Any truth to the rumor of an AWD 3-series for '94? I believe
this info was published in either Popular Science or AutoWeek
a couple of months ago.
Also, a friend told me that BMW used to make an AWD 325 called
the 325ix. I'd appreciate any info about this car too. Thanks..
Thanks.
Tim
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From: tedwards@eng.umd.edu (Thomas Grant Edwards)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
Organization: Project GLUE, University of Maryland, College Park
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In article <1r1r3nINNebn@dns1.NMSU.Edu> amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:
>In article <C5so84.Hxv@demon.co.uk> Graham Toal <gtoal@gtoal.com> writes:
>>Actually, I am *completely* baffled by why Dorothy Denning has chosen
>>to throw away her academic respectability like this.
> Actually, I've been following her remarks for some time, with
>interest. I'm also a member of academia, and her remarks have nothing
>but elevate her respectability in my eyes. It remains to be seen whether
>you are the radical fringe, or I.
> It is generally an error to assume that your beliefs are held by
>the majority, or even a sizable minority. Especially when you're seeing
>tens, nay dozens, of people on usenet agreeing with you.
The people on usenet are clearly a special bunch. We live the net, which
is the future of our culture. Usenetters have rapid electronic access to
information. Society in general must depend on CNN.
I can only hope we can make this information accessable by the public before
the radical fringe, which _is_ the majority, destroys the fabric of
this country. Freedom is never easily won.
-Thomas
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From: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com (Frank Benson)
Subject: Freeman
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Watch your language ASSHOLE!!!!
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Internet: cosmo@pro-angmar.alfalfa.com
UUCP: uunet!bu.edu!alphalpha!pro-angmar!cosmo
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From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen)
Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!
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In article <sandvik-160493205355@sandvik-kent.apple.com>,
sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) writes...
>(stephen) wrote:
>> sandvik@newton.apple.com (Kent Sandvik) quotes ML...
>> >> Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied
>> >> only to God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We
>> >> are living in the age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable
>> >> by death. There is repentance and there is salvation through our
>> >> Lord Jesus Christ. And not just for a few chosen people. Salvation
>> >> is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile alike.
>> >
>> >Jews won't agree with you, Malcolm.
>>
>> Which Jews KS?
>
>Most religious Jews with the exception of the Messianic ones and
>atheists/agnostics, Malcolm.
KS, I see you're wanting Malcolm's response. Allow me one last inter-
jection then please:
Distinguishing among the religious Jews, you've excepted the Messianic
for obvious reasons. Specifically, are you saying it's these religious
Jews, who trace their lineage back to Abraham by blood and orthodoxy,
rather than by faith, who won't agree? Orthodox Jews?
As to the a/a (if I understand your direction), the issue remains
unproven I suspect, considering how atheists and agnostics so often
look to reason. Atheist, it is reasonable to conclude will not agree.
For agnostics, a poll seems in order. Who knows? Myself, I'm not so
sure the atheists can be counted out.
For the orthodox, I wonder how many would follow Moses, or Abraham,
or David in accepting God's Word? Is the particular covenant to which
one adheres, more important than God promisimg? I reckon for many it
depends on the ongoing dialogue. Under these considerations, you might
understand why I think it's premature to assert who will and won't agree.
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From: garrett@Ingres.COM
Subject: Re: Limiting Govt (was Re: Employment (was Re: Why not concentrate...)
Summary: My $.02
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In article <1993Apr16.010908.22897@eecs.nwu.edu>, ian@nasser.eecs.nwu.edu (Ian Sutherland) writes...
>In article <1993Apr15.170731.8797@isc-br.isc-br.com> steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>>In article <1993Apr15.013651.11353@tijc02.uucp> pjs269@tijc02.uucp (Paul Schmidt) writes:
>>>steveh@thor.isc-br.com (Steve Hendricks) writes:
>[...]
>>It is a failure of libertarianism if the ideology does not provide any
>>reasonable way to restrain such actions other than utopian dreams.
>
>You seem to be saying that a LIMITED government will provide MORE
>opportunities for private interests to use it to pursue their own
>agendas, and asking libertarians to prove that this will NOT happen.
>While I can't offer such a proof, it seems pretty damn plausible that
>if the government does not regulate a particular area, it cannot become
>a tool of private interests to pursue their own agendas in that area.
>I rather suspect that it's the sort of government we have NOW that is
>more likely to become such a tool, and that it IS such a tool in many
>instances.
>
Pardon me for interrupting, but why doesn't anyone ever bring up other
possibilities besides more government, less government, or no government
and stop there? It seems to me that the problems with society go MUCH
deeper than government. Democracies seem to reflective of the majority
of society, both the good and the bad. If you take away the government,
you still have the structural flaws in society, except this time, with
no restraints. Yes? No?
Why doesn't anybody ever discuss communal society, like a
kibbutz? I never studied it on depth, but from what I've heard, the kibbutz
in Isreal was very successful. It is also very close to what Aristotle
and Socrates believed was the best.
Sorry to detract from the discussion.
>>Just
>>as Marxism "fails" to specify how pure communism is to be achieved and
>>the state is to "wither away," libertarians frequently fail to show how
>>weakening the power of the state will result in improvement in the human
>>condition.
>
>I suspect that this is because "improvement in the human condition" as
>you define it is not the primary goal of libertarianism, and would not
>be the primary goal of a libertarian government. My impression of
>libertarianism is that its primary goal is the elimination of
>government coercion except in a very limited cases.
But what good is change if there is no tracable improvement in the human
condition? Who would ever support the change if you tell them it won't
improve their lives? I know that there are, and will be, libertarians
who will jump in now and say that it WILL improve our lives. I can deal
with that. All I'm saying is that improving the human condition must
be the PRIMARY goal of any organization.
>Ian Sutherland
>ian@eecs.nwu.edu
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From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Organization: Tektronix Inc., Beaverton, Or.
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In article <115565@bu.edu> jaeger@buphy.bu.edu (Gregg Jaeger) writes:
>In article <1qi3l5$jkj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
>
>>I hope an Islamic Bank is something other than BCCI, which
>>ripped off so many small depositors among the Muslim
>>community in the Uk and elsewhere.
>
>Grow up, childish propagandist.
>
Gosh, Gregg. I'm pretty good a reading between the lines, but
you've given me precious little to work with in this refutation.
Could you maybe flesh it out just a bit? Or did I miss the full
grandeur of it's content by virtue of my blinding atheism?
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
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From: psyrobtw@ubvmsd.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss)
Subject: [lds] Gordon's question on the Nicene Creed
Organization: University at Buffalo
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Gordon Banks quoted and added...
gb> In article <C50M5p.Eoz@acsu.buffalo.edu>
gb> psyrobtw@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Robert Weiss) writes:
gb>
gb> >
gb> > Christians have professed for more than 1660 years the Nicene
gb> >Creed, a statement of beliefs drawn from the truths of Scripture
gb> >that was officially accepted by a council of church bishops
gb> >and leaders at Nicea in 325 A.D. Christians still recite
gb> >this creed regularly in public worship.
gb> >
gb>
gb> So prior to 325 AD there were no Christians? Or all of them really
gb> believed the Nicean creed even before it was formulated? Do you
gb> really believe such an absurdity? I'm afraid you do.
No.
I really don't. Honest.
The Nicene Creed, as I mentioned above, is a brief statement of
beliefs that are derived from Scripture. That this certain list
did not exist earlier does not indicate that the beliefs summarized
in in did not exist before the formula was derived.
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Robert Weiss
psyrobtw@ubvms.cc.buffalo.edu
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From: tcmay@netcom.com (Timothy C. May)
Subject: Re: Don't fight Clipper Chip, subvert or replace it !
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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Robert Lewis Glendenning (rlglende@netcom.com) wrote:
: Clipper Chip is a response to the fact that there is no business
: or professional body in a position to establish a standard and
: provide chipsets to implement it for analog or digial transmission
: systems.
:
: RSA might be in position to do it, if they had active cooperation of
: a couple of manufacturers of cellular phones or desktop phones.
.......
: Is RSA independt of the gov enough to spearhead this? I, for one,
: would *gladly* pay royalties via purchasing secure phones.
Hear hear! I completely agree that we need to work quickly to
establish alternatives to the government's Clinton Clipper. As Brad
Templeton and others have noted, once the Clipper becomes ensconced in
enough phones there will be enormous pressure to make it the *legal*
standard, and it will become the "market* standard as well. (There is
a lot of confusion in the proposal about whether the use of Clipper is
mandated, about whether non-escrow alternatives will be allowed, etc.)
(There are also unclear issues about how hard, or how illegal, it will
be to make "workalikes" which meet the standard but which generate
phony or untappable keys...I'm sure the next several weeks will see
these issues thrashed out in this and other groups.)
Meanwhile, I'd be interested to hear RSA Data Security's reaction.
Often criticized in this group for their licensing policies (the usual
complaints about MailSafe costing too much, at $125 or so, and the
general issue of software patents...), we may find that *allying*
ourselves with RSA is the best thing we can do. What's a mere
licensing fee when our liberty may be at stake? (If everyone who
wanted true security paid, say, $100 for a lifetime use of all of
RSA's patents--which expire in the period 1998-2002, or so--then RSA
would make tons of money and be happy, I'm sure. A small price to pay.
For those to whom $100 sounds like too much, I'm sure the actual terms
could be different, spread out over several years, whatever. To me,
it's a small price to pay.)
Strong crypto means strong privacy. Escrowing keys, sending copies of
keys to large databases, and splitting keys into two 40-bit pieces,
all done with secret and non-analyzable protocols and algorithms, is
*NOT* strong crypto!
Whatever some of us may think about the abstract principles of
patenting number theory applications, this minor issue pales in
comparison with the potential dangers of the Clipper proposal (note
that I said "potential"...we'll presumably learn more in the coming
months).
The RSA algorithms are at least public, have been analyzed and
attacked for years, and source code is available (to better ensure no
deliberate weakenesses or trapdoors).
I know of a number of groups putting together voice encryption systems
using off-the-shelf hardware (like Soundblaster boards for the PC) and
CELP-type software. The new generations of PCs, using fast 486s and
Pentiums are fast enough to do real-time voice encryption. Combined
with Diffie-Hellman key exchange, this should provide an alternative
to the Clipper system.
Of course, we don't really know if the Administration proposes to
outlaw competing systems. (It seems to me that their goal of tapping
terrorists, child pornographers, and Hilary bashers would be thwarted
if low-cost alternatives to Clipper proliferated. Not to defend child
pornographers or terrorists, but limiting basic freedoms to catch a
few criminals is not the American way of doing things. End of soapbox
mode.)
I suggest we in these groups set aside any differences we may have had
with RSA (and don't look at me....I have both MacPGP *and* a fully
legal copy of "MailSafe"!) and instead work with them as quickly as we can.
RSA?, Jim?, are you listening?
-Tim May
P.S. I reserve the right to retract these opinions if it should turn
out that RSA Data Security was involved in the Clipper proposal.
--
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Timothy C. May | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
tcmay@netcom.com | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
408-688-5409 | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
W.A.S.T.E.: Aptos, CA | black markets, collapse of governments.
Higher Power: 2^756839 | Public Key: PGP and MailSafe available.
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From: fraseraj@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Andrew J Fraser)
Subject: Religious wars
Organization: Glasgow University Computing Science Dept.
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I don't know if this is the sort of thing you guys like
to discuss. I guess it falls into the area of apologetics.
This is a question that seems to pop up now and again in
conversations with non-christians. It usually appears in
the following sort of unqualified statement:
"Well you know that religion has caused more wars than
anything else"
It bothers me that I cannot seem to find a satisfactory
response to this. After all if our religion is all about
peace and love why have there been so many religious wars?
Personally I am of the view that religion has often been
used as an excuse to instigate wars often to disguise
national ambitions but I would love to hear what anyone
else has to say about this subject.
Thanks in advance
Andrew J Fraser
(If we're thinking in terms of history, the Crusades,
Northern Ireland, Yugoslavia(?) come immediately to mind)
northern Ireland, Yugoslavia (?
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|| Name: Andrew James Fraser E-mail: fraseraj@dcs.gla.ac.uk ||
|| ESE-3H student, University of Glasgow. ||
|| Standard disclaimers... ||
[I'm beginning to suspect that the natural condition of humans is
conflict. Perhaps we should not ask whether a religion or philosophy
has been involved in any wars -- since they all have -- but whether
it has stopped any. --clh]
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From: estasic@ic.sunysb.edu (Edward Stasic)
Subject: Re: IDE vs SCSI (here we go again.....)
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In article <1993Apr16.205724.26258@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> smace@nyx.cs.du.edu (Scott Mace) writes:
>
>If you don't belive what I said about busmastering and vlbus then pick
>up a back issue of PC-week in whihc they tested vlbus, eisa and isa
>busmastering cards.
>
Do you recall which issue this was in? I posted a message related to this a
while back to provoke an argument so that I could get the straight dope on
this. This article would probably give me all the definitive answers that I
want.
Ed Stasic
estasic@ic.sunysb.edu
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Subject: Re: Gospel Dating
From: kmr4@po.CWRU.edu (Keith M. Ryan)
Organization: Case Western Reserve University
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In article <C4vyFu.JJ6@darkside.osrhe.uoknor.edu> bil@okcforum.osrhe.edu (Bill Conner) writes:
>Keith M. Ryan (kmr4@po.CWRU.edu) wrote:
>:
>: Wild and fanciful claims require greater evidence. If you state that
>: one of the books in your room is blue, I certainly do not need as much
>: evidence to believe than if you were to claim that there is a two headed
>: leapard in your bed. [ and I don't mean a male lover in a leotard! ]
>
>Keith,
>
>If the issue is, "What is Truth" then the consequences of whatever
>proposition argued is irrelevent. If the issue is, "What are the consequences
>if such and such -is- True", then Truth is irrelevent. Which is it to
>be?
I disagree: every proposition needs a certain amount of evidence
and support, before one can believe it. There are a miriad of factors for
each individual. As we are all different, we quite obviously require
different levels of evidence.
As one pointed out, one's history is important. While in FUSSR, one
may not believe a comrade who states that he owns five pairs of blue jeans.
One would need more evidence, than if one lived in the United States. The
only time such a statement here would raise an eyebrow in the US, is if the
individual always wear business suits, etc.
The degree of the effect upon the world, and the strength of the
claim also determine the amount of evidence necessary. When determining the
level of evidence one needs, it is most certainly relevent what the
consequences of the proposition are.
If the consequences of a proposition is irrelvent, please explain
why one would not accept: The electro-magnetic force of attraction between
two charged particles is inversely proportional to the cube of their
distance apart.
Remember, if the consequences of the law are not relevent, then
we can not use experimental evidence as a disproof. If one of the
consequences of the law is an incongruency between the law and the state of
affairs, or an incongruency between this law and any other natural law,
they are irrelevent when theorizing about the "Truth" of the law.
Given that any consequences of a proposition is irrelvent, including
the consequence of self-contradiction or contradiction with the state of
affiars, how are we ever able to judge what is true or not; let alone find
"The Truth"?
By the way, what is "Truth"? Please define before inserting it in
the conversation. Please explain what "Truth" or "TRUTH" is. I do think that
anything is ever known for certain. Even if there IS a "Truth", we could
never possibly know if it were. I find the concept to be meaningless.
--
"Satan and the Angels do not have freewill.
They do what god tells them to do. "
S.N. Mozumder (snm6394@ultb.isc.rit.edu)
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From: Clinton-HQ@Campaign92.Org (Clinton/Gore '92)
Subject: CLINTON: Background BRiefing in Vancouver 4.4.93
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THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
(Vancouver, British Columbia)
______________________________________________________________
BACKGROUND BRIEFING
BY
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS
April 4, 1993
Canada Place
Vancouver, British Columbia
9:40 A.M. PST
Folks, we're about to start the BACKGROUND BRIEFING
on the aid package.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Good morning. The
President -- President Clinton and President Yeltsin agreed
yesterday on a series of American initiatives to support economic
and political reform in Russia, and it's valued at $1.6 billion.
Before taking your questions and running through the
basic outlines of this package, I want to make a few points.
First, this is the maximum that the Clinton administration can do
with available funds to support Russian reform. All of the funds
have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress. There is
no need for the administration to go back to the Congress to fund
any of these programs. All our Fiscal Year '93 funds currently
are available, so in effect, all of these programs can begin
tomorrow.
The second point is that this package is designed to
support Russian reformers. All of the initiatives in the package
are directed at reformers and for their benefit, and all have
been worked out with prior consultation with the Russian
government.
Third, the President is determined that we will
deliver on these commitments this year. The package is designed
to maximize our ability to support reform. In designing it we
wanted to avoid making commitments that we could not meet, and we
feel very confident that we can meet all of these commitments in
front of you.
Fourth, I'd like to note the special importance of
trade and investment. I think it's fair to say that Russia's
capital and technology needs throughout the next decade extend
well into the hundreds of billions of dollars. No collection of
governments can meet those needs; only the private sector can do
so. And so the President and President Yeltsin agreed to make
trade and investment a major priority in the relationship.
They also agreed that there would be a new joint
commission on energy and space formed, headed on the U.S. side by
Vice President Gore; on the Russian side by Prime Minister
Chernomyrdin. And the goal of this effort is to break through
the barriers to trade and investment on both sides and to promote
a vastly expanded relationship.
If it would be helpful I'd be prepared to run down
the first page, which is a summary of U.S. assistance, and just
give you some general background on what these programs are.
I'll do it quickly and then I'll be glad to take questions.
The first group of initiatives are humanitarian food
and medical assistance. This is part of our effort which has
been underway for several years to provide basic humanitarian
grant food assistance so that the Russian government can assure
there's at least a minimal amount of bread on the shelves in the
major cities. That's $194 million in grant -- that is from Food
for Progress, the grant portion of Food for Progress. We'll also
be continuing our grant assistance in medicines and
pharmaceutical supplies, and that's $30 million.
The second item is concessional food sales. As you
know, the United States has had a long-term grain relationship
with Russia. It's important to us and it's important to Russia
that we continue that relationship. The President has chosen the
Food for Progress program which is a concessional loan program.
The value over the next seven months is $700 million. These are
concessional terms. The exact terms have not been worked out,
but I think it's fair to say there will be a grace period on
principal of six or seven years, and concessional rates
thereafter for the life of the deal.
The third program is a collection of private sector
support. We think this is one of the most important things we're
going to do. Privatization and the creation of small businesses
is the number one priority of the reform government in Moscow.
And so the President has decided to create a Russian-American
enterprise fund capitalized this year at $50 million. And the
goal of this fund is to make direct loans to small businesses in
Russia, to take equity positions in those businesses.
The President has also decided to create a
privatization fund which would work directly with the Russian
government in its priority objective of trying to convert state
enterprises from a state-owned basis to a private basis. He has
also agreed -- the President has also agreed to establish a
Eurasia foundation. This would be a private foundation led by
prominent Americans to fund democratization projects in Russia.
The fourth grouping you see there in the summary
page is democratization itself. I think it's fair to say that
this administration has given a new impetus to the goal of
pursuing democratization in Russia. You see that we have a total
of $48 million in programs, various programs. The detailed
tables give an indication of some of the programs that we're
launching.
The President is also calling for the development of
a democracy corps, which will be an overarching umbrella group to
try to incorporate all of the disparate private and public
efforts now underway from the United States to support reform in
Russia.
The fifth program you see is Russian office of
resettlement. This is a new initiative created and
conceptualized by this administration. This is a demonstration
project. What we'd like to do is work with the Russian military
to help resettle Russian officers returning from the Baltic
states and other parts of the former Soviet Union. We want to
make sure that we work out the best way to do that, whether it's
with Russian labor and Russian materials or using prefab American
construction. And so we've decided to fund on a demonstration
basis the construction of 450 housing units. We'll be working
very closely with the Russian military on this. And I would say
that we have a long-term commitment to this project.
The sixth area is energy in the environment. They
are two issues that the President feels strongly about. Our
initial efforts will be feasibility studies to look into the
possibility of enhancing their energy production, both oil and
gas; and equally important trying to cut down on the leakages in
the oil and gas pipeline systems, which cause so much
environmental damage.
I've talked a little bit about trade and investment,
about the new group being created that the Vice President will
chair on our side. Secretary Ron Brown will also be cochairing
with Deputy Prime Minister Shohkin, a business development
committee, which will work in all other sectors of the economy,
to break down the many barriers that currently exist and impede
trade and investment. We are also going to appoint a full-time
investment ombudsman in the American government to work on this
problem full-time.
And the point I'd like to make here is, trade and
investment in the 1990s is every bit as important, to draw an
analogy, as arms reductions was in the '70s and '80s. And we
just thought that in looking at this we needed to make a
commitment within our own government to have people work on it --
senior people on a full-time basis, because it is terribly
important.
You'll notice that the United States is going to
support Russia's membership in the GATT. Russia has had observer
status. Russia has requested our support and, in fact, requested
our advice in becoming a member of the GATT. We think that the
long-term goal of drawing Russia into the global economy is
paramount, a very important goal. And that is why we are
supporting the membership in the GATT. We are also supporting
their access to GSP, the Generalized System of Preferences.
You'll note that Ex-Im has extended $82 million in
credit for a caterpillar deal in Siberia, that OPIC has extended
$150 million in credits and loan guarantees for a Conoco oil
project. I'd like to emphasize that we are very close to an
agreement between Russia and the United States for a $2-billion
framework facility through the Ex-Im Bank that would finance
Russian purchases of American oil and gas equipment and services.
We think this is a very important development. We think we'll
get there by April 14th, which is the opening day of the Tokyo
conference, the G-7 conference.
Before I take any further questions, I'd like to
defer to my colleague, who will review the security assistance
objectives with you.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Our major
unfinished agenda with the Russians and with their counterparts
in Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus is in the area of the safe and
secure dismantlement of the nuclear arsenals on their territory
under the terms of the START I and START II agreements.
Recently we completed in Moscow three, I think, very important
agreements that devote a significant chunk of Nunn-Lugar funding
to three important programs. The first is the program of $130
million for the strategic nuclear delivery vehicle dismantlement
program. That is for submarines, for ICBM dismantlement and for
bomber dismantlement -- $130 million.
The second is a $75 million tranche of funding for
the construction of a facility to store nuclear materials removed
from the warheads as they are dismantled. This will essentially
contribute to the overall design and the early phases of the
construction of that storage facility.
And finally, a $10-million tranche of money to help
in the establishment of a monitoring system for the nuclear
materials as they are withdrawn from the weapons system. So we
add that $215-million total to the extant Nunn-Lugar assistance
which has been flowing -- about $150 million for some overall
safety improvements for various kinds of equipment and safety
measures that we have been working out with the Russians over the
last couple of years.
So this is an area where we will be going a lot more
work with not only the Russians but with the Ukrainians, Kazhaks,
and Belarussians. Belarus, for example, has just, in the last
couple of weeks, received up to $65 million in FY'93 funds for
safety, security and dismantlement programs on Belarussian
territory. And this was in the wake of their ratification of
START I, an agreement to accede to NPT.
So we are working very hard with all the parties to
the Lisbon protocols, and will continue to work very hard with
them. And I look upon these three recent agreements with Russia
as a very important step in that process.
Q The OPIC funds to -- is that for the field in
Kazhakstan -- and Conoco already signed this deal with
Kazhakstan. Why do you feel now it is necessary -- if it's the
same one, why do you feel it's necessary?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: It's not the same
deal. Chevron signed a deal with Kazhakstan, the Tenges oil
field. This is a new investment project. It's a polar lights
oil development and renovation project, and it's being announced
today. So it's completely new.
Q Can you tell us more about what's involved?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes. Conoco, like
other American oil companies has been searching for ways to do
two things. One, to prospect for new oil in Siberia, west
Siberia; and two, to try to get into the business of renovating
oil wells and renovating pipelines, both oil and gas, in Russia.
The objective here, obviously, is to take advantage of the
natural resources in Russia, increase energy production, which
will, in turn, increase hard currency revenues, which is what
Russia needs.
So we think this deal is very, very good development
for Russia. The Russians do as well, and it's good for an
American company. And the American government has played a
leading role in pulling this together through the credit facility
in OPIC and through the loan guarantee.
Q So it's to search and also to renovate fields
that are already there?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right.
Q On that point, should other American companies
expect to get administration support for such deals, or should
they now go to the Ex-Im and try to get the money out of the $2
billion?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as you know,
Ex-Im is part of the U.S. government and various parts of the
U.S. government have been pushing, including the State Department
and the White House for this deal to be consummated. And we
think it will. And if we arrive at this agreement by April 14th,
there will be $2 billion in financing available for American
companies to sell their equipment and sell their services.
Q That should take up all of the rest of the
deals and their won't be -- and their will or there won't be
support for OPIC sort of deals such as this Conoco?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a
tremendous amount of interest on the part of American oil and gas
companies to invest in Russia. We think that the Ex-Im oil and
gas facility, the $2-billion facility, once it is concluded, will
soak up a lot of that interest. But I think the interest may
even extend beyond that. And if so, the government will respond.
Q What's the current year budget costs of that
$2-billion agreement should it go forward? And is there any
current year budget costs --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I'll have to refer
you to Ex-Im for that. I don't know the details of that.
Q The concessional food sales -- is there any
current year costs to that, or is it delayed until the years in
which the payments are due?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The concessional
food sales are from Food for Progress, which is a USDA program.
USDA has the funds, we don't need to go back to the Congress to
expend those funds. There will be a hit in the budget. I'd
refer you to USDA and OMB for the details on that.
Q Can you talk about the Democracy Corps?
Q and the private sector -- how many folks are
going to be involved in that?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Why don't I start
with the Democracy Corps first. I think the administration felt
coming into office that there were literally thousands of
organization, private organizations in the United States that in
one way or another were working at the goal of trying to achieve
democratization in Russia, helping on a farmer-to-farmer basis.
And there were literally 10 or 15 U.S. government agencies that
had a variety of programs in this area. And so the
administration felt -- the President felt it was important to try
to draw all of these initiatives together under one group to give
some coherence to the efforts and to give some impetus to the
efforts. And so this is a presidential initiative.
It will be headed by Ambassador Tom Simons who will
soon take up his duties as the coordinator for U.S. assistance in
the former Soviet Union. And we're very hopeful that we might
use this Democracy Corps not only to draw upon the resources of
our own government, but the resources of the American private
sector and schools and communities across the nation.
Q any kind of commitment yet, any kind of word
yet on FY'94, and any new money that needs to be appropriated
besides the $300 million the President talked about?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: The administration
is requesting additional funds in FY'94 of $700 million. What
the President has done this weekend is to consult really
intensively yesterday with President Yeltsin about additional
measures the United States could take in some of these areas to
support reform. He'll be consulting with the Congress. When he
returns to Washington, he'll be consulting also with the other
ally governments, and we'll make a decision at that time.
Q Two questions about the $700 billion
agricultural money. First of all, I thought it was the sort of
consensus that what Russia did not need was more loans for food.
So why did you decide to do it that way? Secondly, could you
explain -- agriculture has been stopped from making further loans
for food because of Russia's inability to pay. How does this fit
into that situation?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As you know, the
United States for a long time has been a major supplier of grains
and food commodities, agricultural products to Russia. I think
between 1991 and '92 we had extended -- a little bit of history
here -- about $5.5 billion in credits, credit guarantees, through
the Commodity Credit Corporation. That was the principal vehicle
to ensure the sale of American grain products. On December 1 of
last year, '92, the Russian government stopped its payments on
that program. They are now in arrears to us on that program, and
therefore, by law, the United States cannot continue that
program. And so the President, working with Secretary Espy and
other officials in the Cabinet, looked for other ways that we
could promote American grain sales.
And I think we have two ways to do that. We've
announced today $194 million in grant food assistance through the
Food for Progress program. But we do not have sufficient
authority to spend $700 million in grant food, and so we looked
for a concessional loan program.
I think everybody agrees that Russia -- that a
short-term loan program for Russia would not make sense now, but
a long-term concessional loan program would. And that is what
this program is. It will provide, once the final details are
worked out, for a six to seven-year grace period on payments of
principal. And then from years seven through 15, which is the
life of the deal, it will provide for concessional rates of
interest -- generally around three to four percent. And so we
believe and the Russian government believes this is a good deal
for them because it will avoid the imperative of early payments
and put them into the out years, but it will also continue this
very important grain relationship, which is important for them,
and it's important for the American farm community.
Q I gather from what you say that this could make
it explicit -- the Russians' failure to pay the interest on ECC
loan does not in any way affect this kind of loan going through,
is that right?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Let me be explicit
about that. We are prevented under the law to from continuing
the Commodity Credit Corporation short-term credit program
because of Russia's arrearages to the United States. All of you
know about those arrearages. They total about, I think, around
$640 million. USDA can give you an exact figure. So having
taken that into consideration and wanting to preserve American
market share and a long-term grain relationship, wanting to
respond to a specific request from the Russian government for
major food assistance, knowing that we couldn't take it from the
grant programs because we don't have sufficient authority there,
we looked at Food for Progress, which is a program we've used to
great effect in other parts of the world. And we consulted with
the Russian government and arrived at this solution.
I think the Russians are pleased because it provides
them with the food, but also gives them a little bit of relief on
the short-term payments.
Q Where do those funds actually come from?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: They come from the
Food for Progress program, which is a program under USDA's
authority. USDA has the authority to spend these funds. We do
not need to go back to the Congress for these funds. And I want
to make that general point again: Everything in this package,
the $1.6 billion package, comprises funds that have already been
allocated and appropriated by the Congress. The administration
can begin to spend these monies tomorrow. And it's very
important in our eyes that we expend all the funds this year,
that we meet these commitments. And we are confident we'll be
able to do so.
Q How did you arrive at the figure of $700
million -- does that max out that program, or did you actually
have a range from 0 to --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There's a reason
for it. The reason was that the Russian government told us
that's about the amount of grain that they needed between now and
harvest time. And so the idea is that we would begin the
shipments probably $100 million per month from now until the
harvest in the autumn, at which time Russia won't require the
same level of food imports from the West.
Q I would imagine there's going to be some
considerable envy and jealousy on the part of some of the other
republics because of the size and the scope of this with Russia.
Have you given any consideration to advancing negotiations for
the same kinds of projects with the Ukraine, with Georgia , with
some of the other republics?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Yes, we're very
conscience of the fact that we also have an interest in extending
American support to the 11 other countries of the former Soviet
Union. We have told ourselves, and we have planned that in the
area of technical assistance, the grant technical assistance that
you see, roughly 50 percent of the funding will go to Russia and
roughly 50 percent to the other countries.
In the area of food sales, we have been active with
Ukraine, in grant food assistance with Georgia and Armenia. We
will continue that. And I think it's fair to say that after this
summit we will go back and look at all of our programs with the
other countries to ensure that they are adequate and they are
productive and they're hard-hitting.
Q Has anything happened at the summit to lead
American energy companies and other companies to believe that
Russia is going to be more user-friendly toward them in terms of
taxing, legalities, bureaucracy?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, one of our
primary objectives coming into this summit was to highlight, not
only the economic agenda, but also trade and investment. And I'd
like to refer to the point I made at the beginning. We're
convinced in talking about this problem -- the problem of how to
support Russia long-term -- we're convinced that no collection of
Western governments have the financial resources over the next
decade to fuel the continuation of reform, that only the private
sector can do that.
We look at our own society and we see tremendous
capability in resources in the oil and gas sector. It is a very
good match with what the Russians need now, which is financial
investment in the existing oil and gas wells and pipeline and new
technology and new capital to finance new production.
That's what the Russian government has told us it
wants to do, and so that's why we have made such a major emphasis
on it. That's why trade and investment was a prominent issue on
the first day of these talks, and in fact, figured prominently
last night in the meeting between President Yeltsin and President
Clinton. And we're hoping that together we might send a strong
signal to the American business community that we support their
efforts to invest in Russia, that the United States, through Ex-
Im and OPEC and the Department of Commerce, will be there to
support them.
Q My question is, is Yeltsin in any position to
deliver on making Russia a more --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We think he is. I
would note that President Yeltsin's Prime Minister, Mr.
Chernomyrdin, worked for 30 years in the Russian oil and gas
sector. He will now chair a high-level commission with the Vice
President, Vice President Gore, to try to break through the
barriers that currently exist to Western investment in the oil
and gas sector. We believe we have a commitment to make that
committee an important committee. And we're looking forward to
the work.
Q What type of mechanism is already in place to
administer the private sector portion of the program? And will
the U.S. be directly involved in the tail end of distribution of
the actual funds or is the money simply turned over to the
Russian government for distribution at their will?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Are you talking
about the variety of programs listed here? It depends on the
program itself. In most cases, though, we are either working
through American PBOs or American government agencies to ensure
that the money obviously is well spent, that the money gets to
the intended source. That's an obligation we have to the
Congress to ensure the money is well spent and that we can
account for the money. We have done that in the last couple of
months intensively and we will continue to do it for each of
these programs.
But they are all quite different. For instance, in
the area of grant food and medical assistance, for grant food it
is carried out through USDA and USDA accounts for the delivery of
the food. For grant medical assistance, we've been working
through Project Hope which is a private organization. For the
housing -- for instance, the resettlement of Russian officers,
we'll be working with a group of American PBOs. On some of the
democratization projects, we're working directly with Russian
private individuals and private foundations. We're working with
journalists in Russia on a media project that you may have
noticed.
So we literally have here 30 to 40 different
activities under all these rubrics and they're all going to be
carried out in slightly different ways. Some directly with the
Russian government, some with Russian citizens.
Q The Jackson-Vanik restrictions that remain and
on the COCOM restrictions that remain, can you tell us what the
President has to do on that?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, as George
noted yesterday, President Yeltsin raised these as irritants in
the relationship. The President has noted that. I think it's
fair to say we will go back now in our own government when we
return to Washington and look at both of these questions, and
we'll get back to the Russian government.
Q You were not prepared for these questions when
you got here?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We were prepared
for these questions. We've looked at them. But we're not
prepared to make a quick decision this weekend. They require --
let me just explain, particularly on Jackson-Vanik. They require
consultation with the Congress. They require consultation with
the American Jewish community. And we're very sensitive to those
concerns. And so we'll want to go back and talk to them before
we take any action.
Q Is this package designed so that you will not
have to go to Congress for anything at this point?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: As I said at the
beginning, the advantage of this particular package is that all
the funds have been allocated and appropriated by the Congress.
So the administration will not have to go back to the Congress to
seek any additional authority to fund any of these efforts. In
effect, they can all begin tomorrow, and I know that many of the
agencies responsible for these projects will begin tomorrow. And
that's the advantage of this particular initiative.
Q If this, as the President says, is a long-term,
long-haul thing, and members of Congress are at this moment
heading for Moscow, why aren't you talking about going to
Congress and suggesting to the President of Russia that you are
prepared to go to Congress for various things?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think we've been
clear about that. The President is discussing this weekend with
President Yeltsin some additional ideas that we have for American
funding of additional projects, and ideas that he has. We have a
major congressional delegation that left last night, headed by
Representative Gephardt and we'll want to consult with that
delegation and other members of Congress before doing anything.
And we'll also want to consult with our allies. So that's where
it stands now.
Q We've been told repeatedly that a number of
these items represent different or new ways of spending the money
already appropriated. Could you just tick off which of these
items represents reprogramming or at least spending money in ways
that it was not previously set to be?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that we've
said that these are all projects that either Congress had
allocated money for through the Freedom Support Act; there were
some funds that were left over from FY'92. And this
administration took office and had some new ideas about how the
funds might be expended.
We didn't use just the Freedom Support Act funds or
the FY'92 funds. We went into some of the agency allocations --
Ex-Im, OPIC, and USDA -- and tried to look for creative ways to
further our programs.
And example of that is the Food for Progress
concessional loans. We had hit a brick wall with another type of
funding through USDA. We could not go forward legally, and so we
looked for a more creative way to ensure continued American
market share and ensure continued grain sales, and we think we
found it.
Q Where, for example, are you getting the money
for this Russian officer resettlement --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's from the
Freedom Support Act funds.
Q In other words, all of the money is being
directly spent in new ways, so to speak --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Most of the grant
projects that you see -- if you look at the general chart, the
second chart, it's broken down into grant and credits. And if
you look under grants, the technical cooperation projects that
total $281.9 million -- that is almost all Freedom Support Act
funding. A little bit of it is leftover funds from fiscal year
'92. The Nunn-Lugar funds, of course, you know about the
legislative history of those funds.
Q cooperation --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: From FY '92? I
don't have the exact figure. It was not a considerable figure.
Q Could you tell us please, has anything happened
here this weekend that will break the log jam between Ukraine and
Russia over START -- for START I and II as a result of what's
happened here --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Both presidents,
President Yeltsin and President Clinton, will be discussing this
issue this morning. In fact, we haven't yet gotten to security
and arms control related issues. That will be this morning's
session. I know that President Clinton will be very strongly
reinforcing that this is a top priority for us. We've been
talking to the Russians and the Ukrainians over the last couple
of weeks about ways that we might help to facilitate the
discussions between them. Up to this point, this has been a very
important negotiation that's been going on essentially between
Moscow and Kiev. And we are at the point now of essentially
discussing with them if there are ways that we could contribute
to this discussion, help to move things forward essentially.
But in terms of what is coming out of this weekend,
I don't yet know. In a couple hours we'll know.
Q? Just a follow-up on the financing here. Is
any of this robbing Peter to pay Boris -- since it's all current
year appropriations, have you taken it from anyplace that's been
earmarked and put it into this fund?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: There are smoke and
mirrors here, and I think it's an important point to note. We
could have given you a page of assistance numbers that included
out-year funding. We're going to make a long-term commitment to
many of these projects -- for instance, the enterprise funds, the
privatization effort, the housing effort. And we've already
talked to the Russians about our long-term commitment.
We could have put in really big numbers and this
could have been a bigger package, but we wanted to make a point:
This package is FY '93. It's funds that we have. And we're
going to do what we say we're going to do. And the President
feels very strongly about that. In the past there is a legacy
that the western governments, the combination of governments, put
up large budget figures and for any number of reasons we're not
able to meet them, we're determined, and the President is
determined, to carry out every single program in this package.
And we'll do it.
But we do have a longer-term commitment, and that's
part of the discussions on economics this weekend. We're looking
for Russian ideas on what it is we can do to most effectively
support reform. And we've told them that we do have a commitment
on some of these programs beyond this fiscal year.
Q taken it way from any --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, we haven't.
Okay, the question is, have we reprogrammed any of these funds;
so have we taken it from other countries to pay for programs in
Russia? The answer is no, we have not done so.
Q In terms of funding, there is no available
monies left -- and you simply find a creative way to find money
somewhere else. Doesn't that, in fact, support the -- theory?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Not at all. I
don't think it does. That's a particular example, and the
example is grain sales. The Commodity Credit Corporation credit
guarantee program was short-term loans that Russia had to pay
back within 12 to 15 months. You all know about Russia's debt
problem, and Russia was unable to meet those commitments. So we
looked for a way to do two things: to meet Russia's requirement
for grain. They're a net grain importer on a massive scale, and
also meet our objective of making sure that the American farmers
have a chance to sell their products to Russia. And we simply
look for another way to finance that. And we have legislative
authority to do it. This program has been successful in other
areas. We had not tried it before in the former Soviet Union,
but we thought we should now.
Q Isn't this really the Bush-Clinton aid package
for Russia, since these funds were really first derived by
initiatives put forward by President Bush?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I don't think
that's a fair characterization. A lot of these funds were
appropriated by the U.S. Congress is 1991, in 1992. This
administration took office and inherited some obligations that
the Bush administration had made. But we had a long six to seven
week review of this program. We decided to meet the commitments
that had been made by the previous administration.
But we have gone well beyond them in funding the
enterprise fund, which was just an idea, but the idea had not
been filled out with a program. There was no number attached to
it. In grouping together some projects and trying to make them
into a coherent whole in the privatization effort, I would say,
is another Clinton initiative.
Further, we listened to the Russian government and
listened to the Russian military who told us that the
resettlement of their officers was important to them for
political and economic and social reasons. And President Clinton
has responded to that. And we are making a long-term commitment
that beyond this demonstration project we're going to figure out
a way to do much more in trying to settle those officers.
I would also say that the President has given
impetus to all of us in the agencies to think much more broadly
about what it is we can do on democratization, because there we
have some experience and some comparative advantage that lends
itself to the Russian experience. And in calling for the
creation of a democracy corps, which is another new initiative,
we're hopeful that we can take the resources of the private
sector as well as the American government, to achieve that
objective.
So I would not characterize it that way at all. And
as most of you know, I am a career civil servant. I was in the
last administration. I'm very familiar with what the last
administration did. And I would characterize this as a Clinton
assistance package for Russia.
Q There's been a lot of criticism that aid in the
past has not gotten to the people. Is there anything in this
outside of the ombudsman, that will guarantee that this money
will not just disappear because it's being administered by the
Russian government?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think that -- I
know that the President and other senior officials of our
government are concerned that American money be spent wisely and
that it get to the source that it's intended -- for which it's
intended. And so we're going to take great care -- AID and the
State Department will take great care in making sure that the
funds are expended properly and that they're reaching their
source.
I would not that this package is not simply a
package of support solely to the Russian government. Some of
these projects, especially in democratization and exchanges, are
going to be worked out directly with Russian private individuals,
with businesses. The private enterprise support is another
example of that.
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If I could just add
a word on this point with regard to the SSD-related programs, one
area that we've been looking at very, very closely is
consideration of actually using Russian firms in subcontracting
for these kinds of programs. They would be working very closely,
of course, with the American firms, who would be the prime
contractors. But this is a fine example, I think, of a more --of
a imaginative and flexible approach toward getting some of that
funding down to the grassroots level, down to the ground in
Russia; but at the same time ensuring that it is spent
efficiently and for the purposes for which it was intended.
Q When would the democracy corps start? Exactly
when do you see this happening? How would get it off the ground?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the President
is today calling for the creation of a democracy corps. I think
it's fair to say that we're going to work out its framework over
the next couple of weeks. Ambassador Simons takes up his duties
on May 1st. But in effect we've already started, because over
the last couple of weeks the administration has begun to reach
out to people in the private sector who have come to us asking us
to help facilitate their activities in Russia. And we've said
that we will be helpful. We've also tried to kind of coordinate
in a much more effective way the activities of our own
government. We do have 10 or 15 agencies that are active in
Russia in one way or another. We think it makes sense to draw
them together and to focus their efforts.
Q Excuse me. How much of this $1.6 billion will
actually be spent in the United States by American made goods?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't have any
figures for you now, but perhaps we could try to work something
up in the next couple of days on that.
Q This figure is larger than the figure that has
been in the press -- did this program grow yesterday as a result
of the discussions, or have we just been that far off the mark?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, I think --
unfortunately the press has been a little bit off the mark, and
I'm sorry to say that. No, this package -- President Clinton put
us to work about seven weeks ago on this package. And he was
briefed intensively on this. He contributed a lot of the
intellectual leadership in this package. He contributed a lot of
the ideas in the package. And I think it's fair to say that we
had this rough package worked out about two weeks ago. We have
been refining it ever since. We spent a couple of days last week
going over it with the Russian government, both the embassy in
Washington and the government in Moscow through our own embassy.
And so it's been evolving. But this particular package has been
together for about two weeks.
Q Where is Yeltsin's input into this then? There
was so much talk before about the President wanted to get
Yeltsin's views about specifically what was needed and so forth.
Is that in the out years?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: No, it's both.
President Yeltsin has on several occasions told us, for instance,
that support for the creation of private businesses is important
to him; that the resettlement of Russian military officers is
important; and that first and foremost the effort to privatize
the state industries is important to them.
And so what we did was to try to make those the
centerpiece of our technical assistance part o the package. We
listened to him. On the privatization effort, we have been
working with the Russian government for months on this trying to
work out all the details. So the Russian government on most of
these programs was involved every step of the way.
But let me get at the other part of your question.
The President is also using this weekend to talk about a broader
set of initiatives that we might undertake. And we're looking
for his ideas. The President has brought his own ideas to the
table -- for instance, on energy and the environment and in
housing. But we're looking for Russian ideas not. We need to
consult with the Congress; and we need to consult with the other
allied governments that are also active.
Q There's essentially nothing that happened in
the last day and a half that measurably altered the package that
you came in with?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: This particular
package, as I said, was worked out and was ready about two weeks
ago. We have since then consulted with the Russian government on
the final stages of its development, and so this weekend we've
primarily talked about future, about what more the United States
and other Western countries can do to support reform in Russia,
which is our base objective here.
Q I noticed that you -- that money appropriated
to train bankers and businessmen and officers. Can you tell me
what about job training for workers who are displaced by
privatization?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: You're right; we
have a program to train Russian -- young Russians in banking and
financial services in the United States. Part of the housing
initiative, it's not just to build housing units, it's to retrain
Russian officers who are retiring into other professions.
Q money for job training for workers whose
jobs are disappearing because of privatization --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We have not yet
allocated any money for that.
Q Why not?
Q of the $6 million is going to build 450
housing units. Isn't that a lot of money per unit given what the
Western dollar will buy in the former Soviet Union?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: If you want to do
housing the right way, it's not just the building the framework
of a house, you've got to think about all the utilities. You've
got to think about the purchase of land. You've got to think
about sewage and gas and electricity and so forth. And it's also
retraining. It's not enough to put retired -- an officer coming
out of -- Riga or Tallin or Vilnius in a house in western Russia.
We think we have an obligation to try to retrain those officers
as well. This is responding to a request from the Russian
government.
Q of the $6 million will go to retrain --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: That's right.
Q Are you talking about apartment buildings or
single --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: We're talking about
single, individual dwellings.
Q You're saying that only 450 families will be
served by this?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: What I want to -- I
thought I pointed out earlier, this is a demonstration project.
What we didn't want to do -- given the experience that the
Germans and the Turks and the Italians have had in building
housing in western Russian, we did not want to leap into it with
a huge amount of money. What we want to do is work over the next
couple of months and try to figure out with American
organizations in the private sector the best way to get this job
done.
I noted that we have a long-term commitment to that.
And so I would expect that we would put a lot more money into
this in the future . But we want to do it wisely; we want to
spend the money wisely.
Q What is it about this program that convinces
you that it will protect Russia's reforms and that Russia will be
in a position to may back the money they're supposed to pay back,
especially considering their other debt problem?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, look, I think
it's important to note that the United States on its own does not
have the capability to fuel a continuation of Russian reform.
It's got to be a collective Western effort, and we're looking to
our allies to do more as well. But beyond that, it's really what
the Russians do that is going to decide the fate of reform. We
can simply play a role, and we feel we have an obligation to do
so, which is consistent with our national interests.
Q Did the President say that the value of the
U.S. contribution was that it would create security and
prosperity for the United States? So what is it about this
program that does this?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think you have to
go back to the fundamental objective of our policy toward Russia,
and that is we want to do everything we can to support the
continuation of reform. We are convinced that if reformers stay
in power, then we'll be able to continue the drawdown of nuclear
forces, foreign policy cooperation and economic interaction,
which are the three benefits to the United States from reform in
Russia. So it's not a simple question. You can't just say that
this program is the answer. It's a long-term question and we
have to make a long-term commitment to it.
Q And then on the question of Russia's ability to
repay, what convinces you they'll be able to pay seven to 15
years from now?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: Well, the Russian
government has made a commitment to repay, and what we're hoping
is that if reform continues, and if they can continue to improve
their oil and gas sector and earn additional hard currency
revenues, that Russia will be in a position six or seven years
from now to pay back those loans.
Q substantial government-to-government loan
we've ever gotten into with the Russians?
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I don't want to
answer authoritatively on that. I don't go back 20 or 30 years
on this. But in the last four or five years, yes it is, because
the previous way that we financed grain exports was really to
just ensure private bank loans. This is a different type of
effort.
Q government loans in any other sector that
you recall? I know it wasn't done in --
SENIOR ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL: I think it's fair
to say this is a new and unique effort.
END10:25 A.M. PDT
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Subject: Re: Biblical Backing of Koresh's 3-02 Tape (Cites enclosed)
From: kmcvay@oneb.almanac.bc.ca (Ken Mcvay)
Organization: The Old Frog's Almanac
Lines: 20
In article <20APR199301460499@utarlg.uta.edu> b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (stephen) writes:
>Seems to me Koresh is yet another messenger that got killed
>for the message he carried. (Which says nothing about the
Seems to be, barring evidence to the contrary, that Koresh was simply
another deranged fanatic who thought it neccessary to take a whole bunch of
folks with him, children and all, to satisfy his delusional mania. Jim
Jones, circa 1993.
>In the mean time, we sure learned a lot about evil and corruption.
>Are you surprised things have gotten that rotten?
Nope - fruitcakes like Koresh have been demonstrating such evil corruption
for centuries.
--
The Old Frog's Almanac - A Salute to That Old Frog Hisse'f, Ryugen Fisher
(604) 245-3205 (v32) (604) 245-4366 (2400x4) SCO XENIX 2.3.2 GT
Ladysmith, British Columbia, CANADA. Serving Central Vancouver Island
with public access UseNet and Internet Mail - home to the Holocaust Almanac
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From: jearls@tekig6.PEN.TEK.COM (Jeffrey David Earls)
Subject: Re: Why are there no turbocharged motorbikes in North America?
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
Lines: 18
In article <C5J9n2.Hy0@dcs.qmw.ac.uk> davide@dcs.qmw.ac.uk (Dave Edmondson) writes:
>
>As an extreme example the CX500 Turbo cost as much as a Mike Hailwood Replica
>Ducati.
So. If I can scrounge up a good looking CX500 Turbo, will someone
trade me an MHR Duc for it?
===============================================================================
|Jeff Earls jearls@tekig6.pen.tek.com | DoD #0530 KotTG KotSPT WMTC AMA |
|'89 FJ1200 - Millennium Falcon | Squid Factor: 16.99 |
|'93 KLR650 - Thumpy | "Hit the button Chewie!"... Han Solo |
"There ain't nothin' like a 115 mph sweeper in the Idaho rockies." - me
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Organization: Penn State University
From: <SEC108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Subject: Why the bible?
Lines: 38
One thing I think is interesting about alt.athiesm is the fact that
without bible-thumpers and their ilk this would be a much duller newsgroup.
It almost needs the deluded masses to write silly things for athiests to
tear apart. Oh well, that little tidbit aside here is what I really wanted
write about.
How can anyone believe in such a sorry document as the bible? If you
want to be religious aren't there more plausable books out there? Seriously,
the bible was written by multiple authors who repeatedly contradict each
other. One minute it tells you to kill your kid if he talks back and the next
it says not to kill at all. I think that if xtians really want to follow a
deity they should pick one that can be consistent, unlike the last one they
invented.
For people who say Jesus was the son of god, didn't god say not to
EVER put ANYONE else before him? Looks like you did just that. Didn't god
say not to make any symbols or idols? What are crosses then? Don't you think
that if you do in fact believe in the bible that you are rather far off track?
Was Jesus illiterate? Why didn't he write anything? Anyone know?
I honestly hope that people who believe in the bible understand that
it is just one of the religious texts out there and that it is one of the
poorer quality ones to boot. The only reason xtianity escaped the middle east
is because a certain roman who's wine was poisoned with lead made all of rome
xtian after a bad dream.
If this posting keeps one person, just ONE person, from standing on a
streetcorner and telling people they are going to hell I will be happy.
*** Only hatred and snap judgements can guide your robots through life. ***
*** Dr. Clayton Forester ***
*** Mad Scientist ***
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From: lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu (Lance Gibb)
Subject: WANTED: Xapshot digital camera
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix @ U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Distribution: na
Lines: 13
WANTED:
Cannon's Xapshot digital camera. I'd be interested in any other
makes, but the Xapshot is the only one I'm familiar with.
I need one with a composite output and approx. 50 pictures per
disk capability.
If you have one for sale, or if you know of a cheap place to order one,
please leave me Email at lgibb@nyx.cs.du.edu
Thanks
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From: spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (S. Spenser Aden)
Subject: Re: diet for Crohn's (IBD)
Organization: Flight Data and Evaluation Office
Distribution: usa
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In article <uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu-220493145727@spam.dom.uab.edu> uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu!gila005 (Stephen Holland) writes:
>In article <1r6g8fINNe88@ceti.cs.unc.edu>, jge@cs.unc.edu (John Eyles)
>wrote:
>>
>> A friend has what is apparently a fairly minor case of Crohn's
>> disease.
>>
>> But she can't seem to eat certain foods, such as fresh vegetables,
>> without discomfort, and of course she wants to avoid a recurrence.
>>
>> Her question is: are there any nutritionists who specialize in the
>> problems of people with Crohn's disease ?
>
>If she is having problems with fresh vegetables, the guess is that there
>is some obstruction of the intestine. Without knowing more it is not
>possible to say whether the obstruction is permanent due to scarring,
>or temporary due to swelling of inflammed intestine. In general, there are
>no dietary limitations in patients with Crohn's except as they relate
>to obstruction. There is no evidence that any foods will bring on
>recurrence of Crohn's.
Interesting statements, simply because I have been told otherwise. I'm
certainly not questioning Steve's claims, as for one I am not a doctor, and I
agree that foods don't bring on the recurrence of Crohn's. But inflammation
can be either mildly or DRASTICALLY enhanced due to food.
Having had one major obstruction resulting in resection (is that a good enough
caveat :-), I was told that a *LOW RESIDUE* diet is called for. Basically,
the idea is that if there is inflammation of the gut (which may not be
realized by the patient), any residue in the system can be caught in the folds
of inflammation and constantly irritate, thus exacerbating the problem.
Therefore, anything that doesn't digest completely by the point of common
inflammation should be avoided. With what I've been told is typical Crohn's,
of the terminal ileum, my diet should be low residue, consisting of:
Completely out - never again - items:
o corn (kernel husk doesn't digest ... most of us know this :-)
o popcorn (same)
o dried (dehydrated) fruit and fruit skins
o nuts (Very tough when it comes to giving up some fudge :-)
Discouraged greatly:
o raw vegetables (too fibrous)
o wheat and raw grain breads
o exotic lettuce (iceberg is ok since it's apparently mostly water)
o greens (turnip, mustard, kale, etc...)
o little seeds, like sesame (try getting an Arby's without it!)
o long grain and wild rice (husky)
o beans (you'll generate enough gas alone without them!)
o BASICALLY anything that requires heavy digestive processing
I was told that the more processed the food the better! (rather ironic in this
day and age). The whole point is PREVENTATIVE ... you want to give your
system as little chance to inflame as possible. I was told that among the
NUMEROUS things that were heavily discouraged (I only listed a few), to try
the ones I wanted and see how I felt. If it's bad, don't do it again!
Remember though that this was while I was in remission. For Veggies: cook the
daylights out of them. I prefer steaming ... I think it's cooks more
thoroughly - you're mileage may vary.
As with anything else, CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR. Don't just take my word. But
this is the info I've been given, and it may be a starting point for
discussion. Good luck!
-Spenser
--
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NASA --- Flight Data and Evaluation Office --- Johnson Space Center, Houston
spenser@fudd.jsc.nasa.gov (Internet) --- Opinions herein are mine alone.
aden@vf.jsc.nasa.gov (if above bounces) --- "Eschew obfuscation." - unknown
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From: dietz@cs.rochester.edu (Paul Dietz)
Subject: Re: nuclear waste
Organization: University of Rochester
Lines: 41
In article <843@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp> will@rins.ryukoku.ac.jp (William Reiken) writes:
>> The real reason why accelerator breeders or incinerators are not being
>> built is that there isn't any reason to do so. Natural uranium is
>> still too cheap, and geological disposal of actinides looks
>> technically reasonable.
>>
>
> November/December, 1987 page 21 - "Science and Technology in Japan".
> Seawater Uranium Recovery Experiment
> "The ground uranium reserves are estimated at about 3.6 million tons,
> and it is anticipated that the demand and supply balance will collapse by the
> end of the 20th century. In Japan, a resources poor country, technological
> development are now under way to economically collect uranium dissolved in
> seawater. The total quanity of uranium dissolved in seawater is estimated
> to be about 4.6 billion tons, a huge amount when compared with ground uranium
> reserves......."
I hate to pour cold water on this, but currently seawater extracted
uranium, even using the new, improved fiber absorbers from Japan, is
about 20 times more expensive than uranium on the spot market.
Uranium is *very* cheap right now, around $10/lb. Right now, there
are mines closing because they can't compete with places like Cigar
Lake in Canada (where the ore is so rich they present safety hazards
to the mines, who work in shielded vehicles). Plenty of other sources
(for example, uranium from phosphate processing) would come on line before
uranium reached $200/lb.
"Demand and supply balance will collapse" is nonsense. Supply and
demand always balance; what changes is the price. Is uranium going
to increase in price by a factor of 20 by the end of the century?
Not bloody likely. New nuclear reactors are not being built
at a sufficient rate.
Uranium from seawater is interesting, but it's a long term project, or
a project that the Japanese might justify on grounds of
self-sufficiency.
Paul F. Dietz
dietz@cs.rochester.edu
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From: jimmy@fireflare (Jimmy Mosquera)
Subject: Re: help - how to construct home-built battery for 3rd grade sci report
Keywords: 3rd grade science report
Nntp-Posting-Host: fireflare
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory (NASA)
Distribution: usa
Lines: 22
In article <C5GE69.Lo0@athena.cs.uga.edu> mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>Almost any two dissimilar metals in almost any electrically conductive
>liquid.
>
>Example: Copper and zinc in Coca-Cola...
>
>copper and galvanized steel nails in a lemon...
>
>Don't expect much power out, but it should be easily detectable
>with a voltmeter.
>
>--
>:- Michael A. Covington, Associate Research Scientist : *****
>:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********
>:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *
>:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><
A copper and a zinc rod in a potato also work nice.
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From: bc744@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mark Ira Kaufman)
Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ?
Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
Lines: 227
NNTP-Posting-Host: thor.ins.cwru.edu
Center for Policy Research writes...
>Subject: Final Solution for Gaza ?
>
>
>Final Solution for the Gaza ghetto ?
>------------------------------------
>
>While Israeli Jews fete the uprising of the Warsaw ghetto, they
>repress by violent means the uprising of the Gaza ghetto and
>attempt to starve the Gazans.
Your comparison with the Warsaw Ghetto uprising is insulting,
and racist beyond belief. The attempts to quiet any violence
in the Gaza Strip are just that. The efforts to quell murder
and mayhem in the Gaza strip were the resluts of violence and
came AFTER the violence. It was not an arbitrary racial move
like the nazi treatment of Jews. Jews had NOT committed acts
of violence and murder as have the residents of Gaza. I find
your eagerness to ignore the acts of murder nothing more than
anti-Israel bigotry.
>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population
>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks.
>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of
>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the
>strip and seek work in Israel.
It is NOT punishment, but protection from repeated attacks by
residents of Gaza. You self-servingly omit any references to
WHY Israel has had to take action. Apparaently the deaths of
innocent Israeli civilians do not enter into your equation, a
racist ommission on your part.
>While Polish non-Jews risked their lives to save Jews from the
>Ghetto, no Israeli Jew is known to have risked his life to help
>the Gazan resistance. The only help given to Gazans by Israeli
>Jews, only dozens of people, is humanitarian assistance.
>
>The right of the Gazan population to resist occupation is
>recognized in international law and by any person with a sense of
>justice. A population denied basic human rights is entitled to
>rise up against its tormentors.
The right of Israel to protect its citizens from murderers is
also recognized by international law. Israeli civilians have
been getting stabbed to death on a daily basis. If this wave
of murder does not matter to you, then your posturing for the
basic human rights you claim matter so much to you is nothing
but an anti-Israel charade.
>As is known, the Israeli regime is considering Gazans unworthy of
>Israeli citizenship and equal rights in Israel, although they are
>considered worthy to do the dirty work in Israeli hotels, shops
>and fields.
Do you know of residents of Gaza who have applied for Israeli
citizenship and were denied? I have heard of no such denials
taking place. Can you document this, or is this more of your
stupid and innacurate propaganda? The truth is that if Gazan
residents applied for citizenship, HAMAS would murder them as
collaborators.
Many Gazans are born in towns and villages located in
>Israel. They may not live there, for these areas are reserved for
>the Master Race.
How dare you use such a disgusting phrase. How very easy you
attack a people, when you omit facts which fly in the face of
your pure racism. Perhaps you are judging a people to be the
racists that you are. Do you believe that all Jews must have
the same bigoted makeup as you?
Here's another little fly in your ointment, about the 'master
race,' for you to avoid...
Two months ago a plane with 86 Bosnian Muslims left Bosnia to
seek asylum in the middle east. Four Arab nations refused to
grant them asylum. Then when Israli Arabs agreed to take the
responsibility for them, they were allowed into Israel. Yes,
Israel. But when the plane landed, the Israeli Arabs who had
previously agreed to take care of them refused to be involved
with the rescue project, because they felt that it would make
Israel look good. It was more important to avoid any good PR
for Israel than to take care of fellow Muslims. Israel moved
them to a kibbutz, where they are safe and secure. The truth
is that time after time the Islamic world has turned its back
on Muslims in need more than Israel has. Even in the case of
the 400 deportees, Lebanon was willing to let their so-called
Arab brothers freeze to death rather than give them sanctuary
in Lebanon.
Nearly twice as many Palestinians have been murdered by other
Palestinians than in confrontations with Israel. Hundreds of
thousands of Palestinians had been deported from Kuwait, just
because they were Palestinian. The truth is that your phoney
concern for the welfare of the Palestinians is nothing but an
excuse to attack Israel. You are part of the ignorant effort
to confine all concern for the welfare of the Palestinians to
attacking Israel. But the truth is there are greater reasons
than Israel for the plight of the Palestinians. To disregard
Jordan or Kuwait or Saudi Arabia or any of the other oil-rich
nations who do nothing for these people, is to use the plight
of these poor people as a vehicle for your hatred of Jews, or
your hatred of Israel. Anti-semitism and anti-Zionism is NOT
the same as pro-Palestinian and anyone who insists that it is
the same really does not give two hoots for their welfare.
>The Nazi regime accorded to the residents of the Warsaw ghetto the
>right to self- administration. They selected Jews to pacify the
>occupied population and preventing any form of resistance. Some
>Jewish collaborators were killed. Israel also wishes to rule over
>Gaza through Arab collaborators.
Your pathetic analogy is so absent of relevant fact that your
racism cannot be disguised. Jews had never declared war on a
Polish people. Jews had never attacked Poles with knives, or
had used the Ghetto as a staging ground for attacks. To take
something like the Warsaw Ghetto(the creation of which you do
not even bother to discuss!)and the uprising that followed is
to degrade the dead, and to show that intelligent debate on a
difficult situation is beyond your intellectual purview. You
clearly have never even read a single word of the Covenant of
the Islamic Resistance Movement. Here is arguably the single
most anti-semitic genocidal document since Mein Kampf, yet it
is totally disregarded in your rantings. Your racism is most
evident in your eagerness to avoid such documentation. If it
were considered, you might actually have to deal with mideast
problems in a balanced manner, rather than in an anti-semitic
manner.
>As Israel denies Gazans the only two options which are compatible
>with basic human rights and international law, that of becoming
>Israeli citizens with full rights or respecting their right for
>self-determination, it must be concluded that the Israeli Jewish
>society does not consider Gazans full human beings.
And just how was Gaza obtained? Do you forget that Israel is
not in the habit of grabbing land for the hell of it, but had
taken Gaza in a war that it did not start? Did you know land
Israel captures in wars, wars which other nations have ALWAYS
started, aren't the same as Israel, and they are subject to a
completely different set of international laws? Since you do
continuously refer to international law, would you please say
what specific international laws Israel is violating?
This attitude
>is consistent with the attitude of the Nazis towards Jews.
I can cite 6,000,000 reasons why it is not.
> The
>current policies by the Israeli government of cutting off Gaza are
>consistent with the wish publicly expressed by Prime Mininister
>Yitzhak Rabin that 'Gaza sink into the sea'.
Where is this quote? I have never heard Rabin assert that he
wished such a thing. Since you are in general a liar, you'll
have to provide the entire quote, with source, or this effort
will be regarded as just another one of your fabrications.
> One is led to ask
>oneself whether Israeli leaders entertain still more sinister
>goals towards the Gazans ? Whether they have some Final Solution
>up their sleeve ?
Only you are led to ask such a loaded, racist, intellectually
dishonest question. You inability to come to terms with what
you are has turned you into a racist of the highest order.
>I urge all those who have slight human compassion to do whatever
>they can to help the Gazans regain their full human, civil and
>political rights, to which they are entitled as human beings.
Why do you not feel the same compassion for the Jews of Iran,
or Iraq, or Yemen, or Saudi Arabia, or Syria? Do you have an
inkling of what they have endured over the past decades? Or,
what about the plight of the Palestinians in Kuwait? Or what
about the treatment of the Bosnian Muslims? Do you think the
residents of Gaza are being subjected to what all the Muslims
in Bosnia are enduring? Why are you indifferent to the death
and suffering of people? Why do you not care that these folk
are being exterminated? Why do you not care that only Israel
has given any of these people safe haven? Could it be due to
the fact that it is not Israel who is doing the killing? The
people in Gaza are not being exterminated. They aren't being
killed. They aren't being raped. They aren't being starved.
They aren't being driven from their lands. They are not kept
from receiving food or other supplies. But the Bosnians are.
And the ONLY country which has provided some sanctuary to the
Bosnian Muslims is the same nation that you have devoted your
life to attacking, in the guise of compassion.
Your rantings are so unfettered by the burden of intellectual
honesty that you ought to take a deep breath and ask yourself
what your real motives are. Do not flatter yourself into the
belief that truth or compassion are what drives you. In your
case, it is clear that hate beats out love every time. Maybe
you are burdened with some kind of guilt for having been born
a Jew. It is obvious that your hatred of your own Judaism is
being dumped on all other Jews. Why else would you suggest a
racist idea like breeding Jews out of existence? Maybe these
fits of anti-semitism are a result of being cut off from your
own people for an extended period. Whatever the case may be,
it is clear that you are not what you have labored so hard to
appear to be. When you realize that you can't care for other
people while you hate yourself you might actually begin to do
some good.
But for now, you are a fruad.
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Organization: University of Maine System
From: The Always Fanatical: Patrick Ellis <IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
Subject: Keenan signs, Plus WALSH????????
<1993Apr16.235100.18268@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU>
<93108.121926IO11330@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>
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Well I just read in the Boston Globe that while not confirming
(or denying) anything, Walsh may end up with the Rangers organizations
as an (assistant Coach?). Keenan has talked with Walsh in the past
(he came up to see Kariya as he will be coaching him in the worlds,
funny I guess he got to watch the Ferraro brothers as well.....) I'm
not sure if walsh will go, but if Keenan is getting 700,000 and walsh
even gets 100,000 that's a 30% pay raise for walsh (not to mention
a nice career move....) Anyone from New York Hear anything about
this????????
Pat Ellis
P.S. GO BRUINS GO UMAINE BLACK BEARS 42-1-2 NUMBER 1......
HOCKEY EAST REGULARS SEASON CHAMPIONS.....
HOCKEY EAST TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS>......
PAUL KARIYA, HOBEY BAKER AWARD WINNER.......
NCAA DIV. 1 HOCKEY TOURNAMENT CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M-A-I-N-E GGGGOOOOOOO BBBLLLUUEEEE!
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From: vincent@cad.gatech.edu (Vincent Fox)
Subject: Noisy SE: What can I do?
Organization: Deep Thirteen, Gizmonics Institute
Lines: 14
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: cae.cad.gatech.edu
There's this old SE here. It's got the older-style fans that remind
me of a house-ventilator. A cylindrical drum instead of the bladed rotor
I usually see. Anyway, the SE makes this loud buzzing noise due
to vibration somewheres. If I remove the screws and loosen the front
from the back, it quiets down. I can only assume that the fan housing
from this goofy thing is touching the back of the case and vibrating
against it.
Anyway, any suggestions for where to get replacement fans and how to
"stealth" this guy? Your experiences welcome.....
--
"If everything had gone as planned, everything would have been perfect."
-BATF spokesperson on CNN 3/2/93, regarding failed raid attempt in TX.
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From: clipper@mccarthy.csd.uwo.ca (Khun Yee Fung)
Subject: Re: looking for circle algorithm faster than Bresenhams
Organization: Department of Computer Science, The University of Western
Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada
In-Reply-To: graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 04:49:46 GMT
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>>>>> On Wed, 14 Apr 1993 04:49:46 GMT, graeme@labtam.labtam.oz.au (Graeme Gill) said:
Graeme> Yes, that's known as "Bresenhams Run Length Slice Algorithm for
Graeme> Incremental lines". See Fundamental Algorithms for Computer Graphics,
Graeme> Springer-Verlag, Berlin Heidelberg 1985.
> I have tried to extrapolate this to circles but I can't figure out
> how to determine the length of the slices. Any ideas?
Graeme> Hmm. I don't think I can help you with this, but you might
Graeme> take a look at the following:
Graeme> "Double-Step Incremental Generation of Lines and Circles",
Graeme> X. Wu and J. G. Rokne, Computer Graphics and Image processing,
Graeme> Vol 37, No. 4, Mar. 1987, pp. 331-334
Graeme> "Double-Step Generation of Ellipses", X. Wu and J. G. Rokne,
Graeme> IEEE Computer Graphics & Applications, May 1989, pp. 56-69
Another paper you might want to consider is:
@article{fungdraw,
title="A Run-Length Slice Line Drawing Algorithm without Division Operations",
author="Khun Yee Fung and Tina M. Nicholl and A. K. Dewdney",
journal="Computer Graphics Forum",
year=1992,
volume=11,
number=3,
pages="C-267--C-277"
}
Khun Yee
--
Khun Yee Fung clipper@csd.uwo.ca
Department of Computer Science
Middlesex College
University of Western Ontario
London, Ontario
Canada N6A 5B7
Tel: (519) 661-6889
Fax: (519) 661-3515
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From: markz@ssc.com (Mark Zenier)
Subject: Re: Illusion
Organization: SSC, Inc., Seattle, WA
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Chris Best (cab@col.hp.com) wrote:
: > This is not a new idea. At least 10 years ago I got this little gadget with
: > a keyboard on the back and 8 LED's in a vertical row on the front. It has a
: > long handle and when you wave it in the air it "writes" the message you typed
: > on the keyboard in the air.
:
: This is not news. In fact it's where I got the idea from, since it was
: such a neat item. Mattell made it, I believe, modeled after a "space
: saber" or "light sword" or something likewise theme-y. My addition was
: using a motor for continuous display, and polar effects in addition to
: character graphics. I should have protected it when I had the chance.
: No one to kick but myself...
:
: Ten years ago is about right, since I built mine in '84 or '85.
It's even older than that. I remember seeing a description of
a garage operation selling them at some of the early Computer Faires
in San Francisco about 5 years before that.
Mark Zenier markz@ssc.wa.com markz@ssc.com
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From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
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>>Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake>
>>cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the j>udgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
>just to satiate my curiosity, why would this make you the stupid one? It seems
>to me, everybody SHOULD be aware enough of what is going on. You do not need
I couldnt agree more. That is how it SHOULD work. People should also ALWAYS see motorcycles too.
I CONSTANTLY scan behind me (I have one of those wink mirrors) and two outside mirrors. I actually spend just as much time checking my six (cops you know).
I still get caught off guard every now and then.
Maybe I didnt word it right the first time. What I was trying to say was that if you plan to blow by somebody at a very HIGH speed differential and you assume you are safe because the guy sees you, you are stupid (of course, it depends on the circumstances). I have had some VERY scary instances when I assumed this and I dont think all of the fault was the other guy (now if he was going 25 in a 55 thats a whole different story)
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From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
Subject: Re: plus minus stat
Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University, Sudbury, ON
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In <1993Apr15.160450.27799@sol.UVic.CA> gballent@hudson.UVic.CA (Greg Ballentine) writes:
>The Selke candidate forwards main purpose on a shift is to prevent goals
>from being scored- not to score them. When Lemieux or Gilmour play their
>number one purpose is to score- defence is secondary- especially considering
>the line that plays against them is probably a defensive one. That is
>why they are not Selke candidates.
>Gainey is the best defensive forward ever. I stand by that assessment.
>He was a very good player who belongs in the hall of fame. Did you
>ever watch him play? He never made a technical error.
I watched him over his entire career. I have NEVER seen a player, and that
includes Russell Courtnall and Davie Keon, screw up as many breakaways as
Bob Gainey. And I will never forget the time Denis Potvin caught Gainey
with his head down. You have been sold a bill of goods on Bob Gainey.
Gainey was a plugger. And when the press runs out of things to say about
the stars on dynasties they start to hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa
Tikkannen, Butch Goring, Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek
Sanderson, Wayne Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri
Richard, Dick Duff...and so on...
cordially, as always,
rm
--
Roger Maynard
maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca
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From: mccall@mksol.dseg.ti.com (fred j mccall 575-3539)
Subject: Re: nuclear waste
Organization: Texas Instruments Inc
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In <1psg95$ree@access.digex.net> prb@access.digex.com (Pat) writes:
[On the issue of 'burning' nuclear wastes using particle beams...]
>How is it ever going to be an Off- the Shelf Technology if someone doesn't
>do it? Maybe we should do this as part of the SSF design goals. ;-)
>Gee fred. After your bitter defense of 20 KHz power as a Basic technology
>for SSF, Id think you would support a minor research program like
>this.
I sometimes wonder if your newsfeed gives you different articles than
everyone else, Pat. Just a *few* corrections:
1) I never 'defended' 20kHz power, other than as something reasonable
to GO LOOK AT.
2) I have also never opposed a *research project* into feasibility of
the spalling reactor approach to 'cleaning' nuclear waste -- I simply
doubt it could be made to work in the Real World (tm), which ought to
become clear fairly quickly during a research program into feasibility
(sort of like what happened to 20 kHz power -- it proved to have a
down-side that was too expensive to overcome).
I figure 2 things wrong in a single sentence is a high enough fault
density for even you, Pat.
--
"Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live
in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Fred.McCall@dseg.ti.com - I don't speak for others and they don't speak for me.
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From: pvconway@cudnvr.denver.colorado.edu
Subject: TIN files & coutours
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Hi!
I am working on a project that needs to create contour lines
from random data points. The work that I have done so far tells me that I
need to look into Triangulated Irregular Networks (TIN), the Delauney
criiterion, and the Krige method. Does anyone have any suggestions for
references, programs and hopefully source code for creating contours. Any
help with this or any surface modeling would be greatly appreciated.
I can be reached at the addresses below:
-- Paul Conway
PVCONWAY@COPPER.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
PVCONWAY@CUDNVR.DENVER.COLORADO.EDU
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From: henry@zoo.toronto.edu (Henry Spencer)
Subject: Re: japanese moon landing?
Organization: U of Toronto Zoology
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In article <C5LDoD.7pC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> rls@uihepa.hep.uiuc.edu writes:
>allow it to go into lunar orbit without large expenditures of fuel to slow
>down. The idea is that 'natural objects sometimes get captured without
>expending fuel, we'll just find the trajectory that makes it possible". The
>originator of the technique said that NASA wasn't interested, but that Japan
>was because their probe was small and couldn't hold a lot of fuel for
>deceleration.
Actually, Hiten wasn't originally intended to go into lunar orbit at all,
so it indeed didn't have much fuel on hand. The lunar-orbit mission was
an afterthought, after Hagoromo (a tiny subsatellite deployed by Hiten
during a lunar flyby) had a transmitter failure and its proper insertion
into lunar orbit couldn't be positively confirmed.
It should be noted that the technique does have disadvantages. It takes
a long time, and you end up with a relatively inconvenient lunar orbit.
If you want something useful like a low circular polar orbit, you do have
to plan to expend a certain amount of fuel, although it is reduced from
what you'd need for the brute-force approach.
--
All work is one man's work. | Henry Spencer @ U of Toronto Zoology
- Kipling | henry@zoo.toronto.edu utzoo!henry
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From: estel@cs.vu.nl (Stel E)
Subject: W32/TSENG card & other VLB cards... (please)
Organization: Fac. Wiskunde & Informatica, VU, Amsterdam
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Hai,
In a few days I'm going to buy a new motherboard with local-bus(ses).
It comes with a Cirrus Logic VLB card which has 2Mb RAM onboard.
It can do true-color but I don't know what type of card it is.
I read that Cirrus Logic cards aren't exactly the fastes around.
My old system had a TSENG 4000. I was pretty pleased with it, so I
consider buying a W32/TSENG card. I'd like to know a few things:
- How is the speed/performance in DOS/Windows/Unix/OS/2
Graphics & Text (also compared to S3 cards for example)
- What resolutions (including no. of colors) does it
support (text & graphics)
- How many RAM can be installed and what type of RAM
- Compatibility with old TSENG 4000
- Support in software
If anyone has any experience with this card (good or bad) I'd like
to know. If you have a better alternative than the W32 please tell
me about it.
For the people in Holland:
Kan iemand me misschien vertellen waar de W32 in Nederland te verkrijg
is? Het liefst in de omgeving van Amsterdam!
Thanks in advance, Erik Stel (estel@cs.vu.nl)
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From: dickeney@access.digex.com (Dick Eney)
Subject: Re: Flaming Nazis
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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The trouble with trying to find out the truth is that Roehm and his
buddies were ACCUSED OF being flaming faggots, one of the pretexts for the
Night of Long Knives in which Roehm and most of the SA wing of the NSDAP
were purged. Since the accusers thereafter controlled the records,
anything bearing on the subject -- true or not -- has to be considered
tainted evidence. The available data suggest that Roehm and his crowd,
the SA -- Sturmabteilung, "Storm Troopers" -- left the world a better
place when they departed, but concrete particulars are still no more than
more or less shrewd guesses.
-- Diccon Frankborn
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From: jhwitten@cs.ruu.nl (Jurriaan Wittenberg)
Subject: Re: Magellan Update - 04/16/93
Organization: Utrecht University, Dept. of Computer Science
Keywords: Magellan, JPL
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In <19APR199320262420@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov> baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
(Ron Baalke) writes:
>Forwarded from Doug Griffith, Magellan Project Manager
>
> MAGELLAN STATUS REPORT
> April 16, 1993
>
>
>2. Magellan has completed 7225 orbits of Venus and is now 39 days from
>the end of Cycle-4 and the start of the Transition Experiment.
Sorry I think I missed a bit of info on this Transition Experiment. What is it?
>4. On Monday morning, April 19, the moon will occult Venus and
>interrupt the tracking of Magellan for about 68 minutes.
Will this mean a loss of data or will the Magellan transmit data later on ??
BTW: When will NASA cut off the connection with Magellan?? Not that I am
looking forward to that day but I am just curious. I believe it had something
to do with the funding from the goverment (or rather _NO_ funding :-)
ok that's it for now. See you guys around,
Jurriaan.
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From: c23tvr@kocrsv01.delcoelect.com (Thomas Redmond)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Originator: c23tvr@koptsy17
Keywords: brick, rock, danger, gun, violent, teenagers
Organization: Delco Electronics Corp.
Distribution: us
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In article <1r1d62$d6s@agate.berkeley.edu>, bh@anarres.CS.Berkeley.EDU (Brian Harvey) writes:
> rfelix@netcom.com (Robbie Felix) writes:
> >How about the thousands of kind teenagers who volunteer at local
> >agencies to help children, seniors, the homeless?
>
> Hear, hear! Thanks, Robbie.
>
> You also don't read that much about violence *against* teenagers, such as
> George Bush burying alive tens of thousands of unarmed Iraqi 17-year-olds,
> who were trying to surrender, with bulldozers.
>
>
> On the other hand, I think it *is* true, without singling out teenagers
> for blame, that violence is more socially acceptable than it used to be.
> Those of us who'd like to discourage violence have plenty of work to do
> with people of all ages.
I didn't know George could drive a bulldozer!
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From: UNC4b2@ibm.rhrz.uni-bonn.de (Christoph Steinbeck)
Subject: Z-Modem up- and download with WinQVT?
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Organization: Chemische Institute, University of Bonn
Hello all,
I'd like to know, how z-modem-upload is initiated in a WinQVT-Script-file,
to check how it works before registering.
Unfortunatly, nothing about that feature is mentioned in the manual.
Can anybody help me?
Ciao, Chris
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From: mmontgom@liberty.uc.wlu.edu (Matthew R. Montgomery)
Subject: Re: With a surge in the last two weeks...
Organization: Washington & Lee University
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: Watch us soar in 1993!
Shouldn't that be 'Watch us stoned in 1993!'? :)
or maybe 'Watch us suck in 1993!'
or even 'Watch us sore in 1993!'
________________________________________________________________________
Matt
Montgomery 'No, really I *like* the Phillies'
________________________________________________________________________
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From: c115184@cs.UAlberta.CA (Merth Eric William)
Subject: Re: AF/ATS: Red Army Fraction (RAF) communique
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Organization: University Of Alberta, Edmonton Canada
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>In article <C4vBM1.Gs0@NCoast.ORG>, cmort@NCoast.ORG (Christopher Morton) writes:
>|>As quoted from <C4vCtB.J1H@dscomsa.desy.de> by hallam@dscomsa.desy.de (Phill Hallam-Baker):
>|>
>|>> Isn't it wonderfull the way people can make the sadistic and indescriminate
>|>> murder of the Bader-Meinhof gang sound like altruism?
>|>
>|>Gee Phil, I'd remember where you are and that these people are monitoring the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>|>net. I'd also remember that they have about as much sense of humor as Ed
^^^
Damn. It isn't Big Brother after all? And all this time I thought that all
those revolutionaries, while blowing things up and killing the odd
innocent person in the process, really did love all us proles. ('cause
_everybody knows_ that dialectical materialism will save you [even
if it has to get you killed first]).
What a fool I've been.
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From: shenoy@iastate.edu (Shiva Shenoy)
Subject: Re: Windows Help
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames IA
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In <1993Apr20.072905.21404@fel.tno.nl> mveraart@fel.tno.nl (Mario Veraart) writes:
>umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca (Qing Yin) writes:
>>Hi, it's an *easy* question for you Windows gurus. I'd appreciate any help.
>>We need to write an on-line help for our application. We don't have
>>Windows Software Developer's Toolkit (yet :-) ). Since we just want to build
>>a .HLP file around Windows' help engine, I hope it won't be that complicated?
>>Anyway, could someone kindly give me some hints of how to build such an
>>on-line help, if it does not take 100 pages to explain? Or if it is complicated,
>>would you help to point out what I would need to do it?
>>--
>>Vincent Q. Yin
>>umyin@ccu.umanitoba.ca
>Hi,
>If you have developed your own windows application you must have a
>SDK of some sort that contains the HC.EXE or HC31.EXE file to
>compile and generate .HLP files out of .RTF files.
>RTF files are generated by a wordprocessor like Word for Dos or W4W.
You do not need the SDK. What you need (and can get free) are
Location: ftp.cica.indiana.edu
index: /pub/pc/win3/INDEX
First get /pub/pc/win3/uploads/what.zip (~1.3M) This contains the help
compiler among other things. It is free from Microsoft.
Then get these (I think these are free too)
dir: /pub/pc/win3/programr
files: hag.zip, whag.zip wfwhlp.zip
These are shareware
dir: /pub/pc/win3/util
files: hwab21.zip, qdhelp.zip, qdtool.zip
dir: /pub/pc/win3/winword
files: drhelpev.zip (macros for word 2.0 to convert doc to hlp files).
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2066 Black,Dept of AEEM,ISU,Ames,IA 50010 | Office: (515)-294-0082
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From: masaoki@hpysodk.tky.hp.com (Masaoki Kobayashi)
Subject: --- CR-ROM Drive Recommendation? ---
Organization: YHP Hachioji HSTD R&D, Tokyo Japan
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Hi all,
I would like to purchase CD-ROM drive. The specs I would like to have is:
* Applicable to Kodak multisession Photo-CD
* SCSI(2) Interface
* Compatible with Adaptec-1542B
* Does not need any caddies
* Cheaper ( < $500 if possible)
* Double Speeded
I believe there are no drives satisfying all of the above condition,
so I would like to know all of your opinion. The above conditions
are sorted by my priority.
I think NEC CDR74-1/84-1 is a little bit expensive, but it DOES satisfy
almost all of the above conditions. The problem is that I do not know
the compatibility with 1542B. Has someone succeeded to connect these
NEC drives to 1542B? I have heard a rumor that NEC drive is incompatible
with 1542B adapter.
Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
Kobayashi,Masaoki
(masaoki@tky.hp.com)
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From: "David R. Sacco" <dsav+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Re: After 2000 years, can we say that Christian Morality is
Organization: Misc. student, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA
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After tons of mail, could we move this discussion to alt.religion?
=============================================================
--There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke. (Bob Dylan)
--"If you were happy every day of your life you wouldn't be a human
being, you'd be a game show host." (taken from the movie "Heathers.")
--Lecture (LEK chur) - process by which the notes of the professor
become the notes of the student without passing through the minds of
either.
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From: atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Cardinal Ximenez)
Subject: Re: A question that has bee bothering me.
Organization: National Association for the Disorganized
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wquinnan@sdcc13.ucsd.edu (Malcusco) writes:
> My problem with Science is that often it allows us to
>assume we know what is best for ourselves. God endowed us
>with the ability to produce life through sexual relations,
>for example, but He did not make that availible to everyone.
>Does that mean that if Science can over-ride God's decision
>through alterations, that God wills for us to have the power
>to decide who should and should not be able to have
>children? Should men be allowed to have babies, if that
>is made possible.
In a word, yes. I don't believe that physical knowledge has a great deal of
impact on the power of God. In the past, God gave us the ability to create
life through sexual relations. Now, he is giving us the ability to create life
through in vitro fertilization. The difference between the two is merely
cosmetic, and even if we gain the ability to create universes we won't begin to
approach the glory of God.
The power we are being given is a test, and I am sure that in many cases we
will use our new abilities unwisely. But, people have been using sexuality
unwisely for millenia and I haven't heard an outcry to abolish it yet!
No matter how far we extend our dominion over the physical world, we aren't
impinging on God's power. It's only when we attempt to gain control of the
spiritual world, those things that can't be approached through science and
logic, that we begin to interfere with God.
Alan Terlep "...and the scorpion says, 'it's
Oakland University, Rochester, MI in my nature.'"
atterlep@vela.acs.oakland.edu
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From: cyberman@toz.buffalo.ny.us (Cyberman)
Subject: Re: Analog switches/Balan
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X-Maildoor: WaflineMail 1.00r
{Michael Fulbright} said
"Analog switches/Balanced"
to <All> on 04-15-93 01:08
MF> I am trying to build a synchronous demodulator and I've hit a snag.
MF> In my application I want to be able to change the gain of an
MF> op amp amplifier from 1 to -1, controlable via a digital input.
MF> The most obvious way I've come up with is to use analog switches
MF> to adjust the gain of the op amp. The only analog switch I have
MF> experience with it the 4066. Unfortunately I want to switch an
MF> AC signal which goes from about -5V to 5V, and the 4066 is only
MF> for positive signals.
How about using a 4053 it has a seperate ground for the
analog outputs. It would get you 3 bits.
MF> Another part which caught my eye was the Analog Devices AD630. This
MF> is a balanced demodulator which appears to fill exactly the need I
MF> have. The data sheet was somewhat skimpy on application notes. Could
MF> someone comment on using this chip for the following application?
Or how about a multiplying D/A convertor? This is
essentiallty what you are makeing.
Stephen Cyberman@Toz.Buffalo.NY.US
Mangled on Fri 04-16-1993 at 13:36:11
... Catch the Blue Wave!
---
* Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 *
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From: bh437292@longs.LANCE.ColoState.Edu (Basil Hamdan)
Subject: RE: was:Go Hezbollah!
Reply-To: bh437292@lance.colostate.edu
Nntp-Posting-Host: parry.lance.colostate.edu
Organization: Engineering College, Colorado State University
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I will try to answer some of Dorin's questions, even though they were
not addressed to me specifically, but I feel that I am a bit concerned
by the thread since I am a Southern Lebanese from a village that is
often on the receiving end of Israel's bombs.
In the first place the death of three soldiers on a patrol in occupied
Lebanese terrritory is NOT an act of terrorism or murder. It is
disingeneous to compare their death to that of athletes in Munich
or any other act of terrorism or mrder. This exercise is aimed
solely at diverting the issue and is far from the truth.
It seems to me, Dorin, that, you are so remote and ignorant of the problem
on the ground that your comments can only be charactrized as irrelevant,
and heavily colored by the preconceptions and misinformation.
I will try to paint the most accurate picture I can of
what the situation really is in South Lebanon.
In article <1993Apr15.152455.14555@unocal.com>, stssdxb@st.unocal.com (Dorin Baru) writes:
|> Is there any Israeli a civilian, in your opinion ?
|>
|> Now, I do not condone myself bombing villages, any kind of villages.
|> But you claim these are villages with civilians, and Iraelis claim they are
|> camps filled with terrorists. You claim that israelis shell the villages with the
|> 'hope' of finding a terrorist or so. If they kill one, fine, if not, too bad,
|> civilians die, right ? I am not so sure.
I am. I was back in my home village this last summer. For your information
we are PEOPLE, not a bunch of indiscriminate terrorists. Most of the
people in my village are regular inhabitants that go about their daily
business, some work in the fields, some own small shops, others are
older men that go to the coffe shop and drink coffee. Is that so hard to
imagine ???? It is NOT a "terrorist camp" as you and the Israelis like
to view the villages they are small communities with kids playing soccer
in the streets, women preparing lunch, men playing cards, etc.....
SOME young men, usually aged between 17 to 30 years are members of
the Lebanese resistance. Even the inhabitants of the village do not
know who these are, they are secretive about it, but most people often
suspect who they are and what they are up to. These young men are
supported financially by Iran most of the time. They sneak arms and
ammunitions into the occupied zone where they set up booby traps
for Israeli patrols. Every time an Israeli soldier is killed or injured
by these traps, Israel retalliates by indiscriminately bombing villages
of their own choosing often killing only innocent civilians. Once they
are back they announce that they bombed a "terrorist hideout" where
an 8 year old girl just happened to be.
We are now accustomed to Israeli tactics, and we figure that this is
the Israeli way of telling us that "if you're gonna hurt our soldiers
you're gonna pay the price". We accept this as a price we have to pay
to free our land, Israel knows very well that it is not really hurting
the resistance that much militarily with these strikes, but rather
just keeping the pressure on the villagers to demand from their young
men to stop attacking Israeli soldiers since these attacks are
taking a heavy toll on the lives of the civilian villagers.
Israel's retalliation policy is cold hearted, but a reality that
we have come to accept and deal with, the Lebanese Resistance
on the other hand is not going to stop its attacks on OCCUPYING
ISRAELI SOLDIERS until they withdraw, this is the only real
leverage that they have to force Israel to withdraw.
The people of South Lebanon are occupied, or shelled by Israel on a
regular basis. We do not want to be occupied. If Israel insists that
the so called "Security Zone" is necessary for the protection of
Northern Israel, than it will have to pay the price of its occupation
with the blood of its soldiers. If Israel is interested in peace,
than it should withdraw from OUR land. We are not asking for the
establishment of a Lebanese occupied zone in northern Israel to protect
our villages that are attacked on a regular basis by Israel, so the
best policy seems to be the removal of Israeli occupation and the
establishment of peace keeping troops along the border.
I have written before on this very newsgroup, that the only
real solution will come as a result of a comprehensive peace
settlement whereby Israel withdraws to its own borders and
peace keeping troops are stationed along the border to insure
no one on either side of the border is shelled.
This is the only realistic solution, it is time for Israel to
realize that the concept of a "buffer zone" aimed at protecting
its northern cities has failed. In fact it has caused much more
Israeli deaths than the occasional shelling of Northern Israel
would have resulted in.
If Israel really wants to save some Israeli lives it would withdraw
unilaterally from the so-called "Security Zone" before the conclusion
of the peace talks. Such a move would save Israeli lives,
advance peace efforts, give Israel a great moral lift, better Israel's
public image abroad and give it an edge in the peace negociations
since Israel can rightly claim that it is genuinely interested in
peace and has already offered some important concessions.
Along with such a withdrawal Israel could demand that Hizbollah
be disarmed by the Lebanese government and warn that it will not
accept any attacks against its northern cities and that if such a
shelling occurs than it will consider re-taking the buffer zone
and will hold the Lebanese and Syrian government responsible for it.
There seems to be very little incentive for the Syrian and Lebanese
goovernment to allow Hizbollah to bomb Israel proper under such
circumstances, and now the Lebanese government has proven that it is
capable of controlling and disarming all militias as they did
in all other parts of Lebanon.
|> If you ask me those questions, I will have no problem answering (not with a
|> question, as you did) : No, NOBODY is qualified candidate for murder, nothing
|> justifies murder.
I agree, only in the case of the Isareli soldiers their killing
CANNOT be qualified as murder, no matter what you say.
I have the feeling that you may be able yourself to make
|> similar statements, maybe after eliminating all Israelis, jews, ? Am I wrong ?
Yes, we have no quarrel with Jews, or Israeli civilians.
The real problem is with OCCUPYING Israeli soldiers and those brave
Israeli pilots that bomb our civilian villages every time an
occupying soldier is attacked.
|> Dorin
Basil
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From: davidk@netcom.com (David Kiviat)
Subject: 88 Toyota Camry super deluxe $9.9k
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
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88 toyota Camry - Top Of The Line Vehicle
blue book $10,500
asking 9,900.
73 k miles
auto transmission
Has Everything!
owned by a meticulous automoble mechanic
call (408) 425-8203 ask for Bob.
posted for a friend.
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From: jwg@SEDV1.acd4.acd.com (jwg)
Subject: Re: Dumbest automotive concepts of all time
In-Reply-To: bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu's message of Wed, 14 Apr 1993 20:35:23 GMT
Organization: /u/jwg/.organization
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In article <C5HqJ0.57@unix.amherst.edu>, bhtulin@unix.amherst.edu (Barak H. Tulin) gives forth:
>I just started reading this thread today, so forgive me if it has already been
>mentioned. But...what was the deal with Renault's putting the horn on the
>left-hand turn-signal stalk? It was a button on the end, where the washer
>button would be on the wiper/washer stalk. Could the Frenchies not figure
>out the wiring through the steering wheel, or what?
Had an '83 Alliance for a long time. It was a comfortable but sluggish
car. I got very used to the horn on the stalk, after a couple months worth
of getting used to it. After I bought my next car, a Chevy, it took me
for-EVER to get used to the horn on the steering wheel again!
jim grey
jwg@acd4.acd.com
Up the Irons!
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From: mdc2@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (corrado,mitchell)
Subject: Re: Route Suggestions?
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Distribution: usa
Summary: New York, heh?
Lines: 17
In article <1qmm5dINNnlg@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, doc@webrider.central.sun.com (Steve Bunis - Chicago) writes:
> 55E -> I-81/I-66E. After this point the route is presently undetermined
> into Pennsylvania, New York?, and back to Chicago (by 6/6). Suggestions
If you do make it into New York state, the Palisades Interstate Parkway is a
pleasant ride (beautiful scenery, good road surface, minimal traffic). You
may also want to take a sidetrip along Seven Lakes Drive just off the parkway
for the same reasons plus the road sweeps up and down along the hills with
sweeping turns under old forest canopy.
'\ Mitch Corrado
_\______ Bell Communications Research
/ DEC \======== mdc2@panther.tnds.bellcore.com
____|___WRECK__\_____ (908)699-4128
/ ___________________ \
\/ _===============_ \/ MAD VAX
"-===============-" -The "Code" Warrior-
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From: tallen@hpcc01.corp.hp.com (Thomas C Allen)
Subject: Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT
Organization: the HP Corporate notes server
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Northwest Air tix - SAVE $30 ANY FLIGHT
I have a $400 credit with Northwest Airlines which must be used
by Nov 27, 1993.
There is a $50 charge to change the ticket, so I will sell it for
$320. It can be used for any Northwest flight, but I don't think
they will refund cash.
Please contact me at tallen@corp.hp.com or (415)857-5878.
Tom Allen
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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: LH Workmanship
Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
Lines: 19
I just visited the NY Auto Show, and saw two LH cars on the floor: Eagle
Vision and Dodge Intrepid.
Really nice I must say. Very attractive styling, lots of features and room,
at a competitive price.
Unfortunately, the workmanship is quite disappointing. On BOTH cars,
the rubber seals around the window and door fell off. It turns out
the seals are just big grooved rubber band. It goes on just by pressing
the groove against the tongue on the door frame. Surely it would come
off easily.
I am not sure how many of this kind of pooring engineering/assembly
problems that will show up later.
I may still consider buying it, but only when it establishes a good
track record.
Jason Chen
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From: orourke@sophia.smith.edu (Joseph O'Rourke)
Subject: Re: Fast polygon routine needed
Keywords: polygon, needed
Organization: Smith College, Northampton, MA, US
Lines: 5
In article <C5n3x0.B5L@news.cso.uiuc.edu> osprey@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Lucas Adamski) writes:
>This may be a fairly routine request on here, but I'm looking for a fast
>polygon routine to be used in a 3D game.
A fast polygon routine to do WHAT?
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From: grady@netcom.com (1016/2EF221)
Subject: Re: MacPGP 2.2 Source Problems
Organization: capriccioso
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL6]
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Yes -- my error -- you will need the DIFF between the
standard console.h and console.c supplied with
Symantec's THINK C 5.0.4 and the specially modified
one that works with MacPGP 2.2.
I added the two DIFFs to the end of the signature
file "MacPGP2.2srcSIGNATURE" in pub/grady of netcom.com
Please download via anonymous FTP and, using SED (oops),
cutting and pasting, fix-em-up.
Will one of you Mac-geniuses PLEASE port this to MacApp
or AppMaker, or...?
Grady
--
grady@netcom.com 2EF221 / 15 E2 AD D3 D1 C6 F3 FC 58 AC F7 3D 4F 01 1E 2F
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From: lvc@cbnews.cb.att.com (Larry Cipriani)
Subject: Re: My Gun is like my....
Organization: Ideology Busters, Inc.
Lines: 80
In article <1993Apr16.194708.13273@vax.oxford.ac.uk>
jaj@vax.oxford.ac.uk writes:
>What all you turkey pro-pistol and automatic weapons fanatics don't
>seem to realize is that the rest of us *laugh* at you.
So what. We think you're pretty hilarious too.
I love how you Brit's kiss royal arse. That you're willing to throw
out freedom-of-speech for the sake of protecting the reputation of the
royal sluts.
That the British government advertised in American newspapers "Send A Gun
to Defend a British Home -- British civilians, faced with threat of
invasion, desperately need arms for the defense of their homes." during
WWII. [American Rifleman November, 1940]
That The Obscene Publications Act and the Misuse of Drugs Act have been
used as justification for the police to seize masterpieces such as William
S. Burrough's "Junky", Hunter Thompson's "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas",
and Tom Wolfe's "The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test". British courts have
never recognized the right to assemble or to demonstrate.
That evidence obtained form coerced confessions is allowed in a trial.
That only serious felonies warrant a trial by jury.
That suspected terrorists must prove their innocence, instead of the
government having to prove their guilt.
That the secretary of state may issue an "exclusionary order" which
bars someone from ever entering a particular part of the United Kingdom,
such as Northern Ireland or Wales.
That the BBC banned Paul McCartney's "Give Ireland Back to the Irish"
as well as John Lennon's "Give Peace a Chance" during the Gulf War.
Yes, England is very very funny. And very pathetic.
>I knew somebody else who went to one of your "Gun-mart" superstore
>places, just so he could experience the sight of people putting guns
>and ammo into shopping carts! I didn't believe it myself until I
>drove by one in Vegas last year!!!
So what. Laughter is a way of dealing with things we find uncomfortable.
I thought the "Las Vegas Show Girl" ads on Las Vegas street corners were
pretty funny.
Yes indeed, there are many strange and wonderous things in this country.
I wouldn't have it any other way.
>Now that I live in Britain, I can see how the rest of the civilized world
>perceives you gun-nut morons. The BBC recently referred to the American
>penchant for pistols, automatic weapons,etc. very appropriately - it was
>called a "national eccentricity."
I don't disagree with that, I don't think it's bad either.
>The only problem is that Canada, I hear, is suffering from your national
>eccentricity, in that easy to purchase weapons are being smuggled cross the
>border.
So what. If they didn't come from here they would come from elsewhere
disguised as cocaine.
>Anyway, all you gun nut Rush Limbaugh fans, please *keep* up your diatribes
>against Brady and other evil "Liberal media" plots - you 're so damn funny!
>You provide endless amounts of entertainment in your arguments and examples
>of why someone should be allowed to carry a piece! Keep us all chuckling!
You can laugh all you want, for us it's a matter of life or death.
I don't find that funny in the least.
As for England:
"As our allies become more open, Britain grow yet more secretive and
censorious. Perhaps the real British vice is passivity, a willingness
to tolerate constraints which others would find unbearble." [in "Britain,
An Unfree Country" by Terrence DeQuesne and Edward Goodman, pp 33.]
--
Larry Cipriani -- l.v.cipriani@att.com
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From: jchen@wind.bellcore.com (Jason Chen)
Subject: Re: Is MSG sensitivity superstition?
Nntp-Posting-Host: wind.bellcore.com
Reply-To: jchen@ctt.bellcore.com
Organization: Bell Communications Research
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In article <1qi2h1INNr3o@roundup.crhc.uiuc.edu>, mary@uicsl.csl.uiuc.edu (Mary E. Allison) writes:
|>
|> Two different Tuesdays (two weeks apart we used the same day of the
|> week just for consistancies sake) we ordered food from the local
|> Chinese take out - same exact food except ONE of the days we had them
|> hold the MSG. I did not know which time the food was ordered without
|> the MSG but one time I had the reaction and one time I did not.
|>
|> NOW - you can TRY to tell me that it wasn't "scientific" enough and
|> that I have not PROVEN beyond the shadow of a doubt that I have a
|> reaction to MSG - but it was proof enough for ME and I'll have you
|> know that I do NOT wish to get sick from eating food thank you very
|> much.
|>
If you could not tell which one had MSG, why restaurants bother to
use it at all?
If you can taste the difference, psychological reaction might play a role.
The fact is, MSG is part of natural substance. Everyone, I mean EVERYONE,
consumes certain amount of MSG every day through regular diet without
the synthesized MSG additive.
Chinese, and many other Asians (Japanese, Koreans, etc) have used
MSG as flavor enhancer for two thousand years. Do you believe that
they knew how to make MSG from chemical processes? Not. They just
extracted it from natural food such sea food and meat broth.
Baring MSG is just like baring sugar which many people react to.
Jason Chen
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From: sigma@rahul.net (Kevin Martin)
Subject: Re: TIFF: philosophical significance of 42
Nntp-Posting-Host: bolero
Organization: a2i network
Lines: 14
In <1r0ms5$k65@ratatosk.uninett.no> joachim@kih.no (joachim lous) writes:
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions where the 42 came from?
>I don't know where Douglas Adams took it from, but I'm pretty sure he's
>the one who launched it (in the Guide). Since then it's been showing up
>all over the place.
Douglas Adams once said (paraphrased from memory): "I just picked it. It
seemed like the sort of number you wouldn't be afraid to take home to meet
your parents. Nice and even, perfectly normal."
--
Kevin Martin
sigma@rahul.net
"I gotta get me another hat."
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From: keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider)
Subject: Re: Keith Schneider - Stealth Poster?
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
Lines: 26
NNTP-Posting-Host: lloyd.caltech.edu
cmtan@iss.nus.sg (Tan Chade Meng - dan) writes:
>I somewhat agree with u. However, what it comes to (theist) religion,
>it's a different matter. That's because religion is like a drug, once u
>use it, it's very difficult to get out of it. That's because in
>order to experience a religion, u necessarily have to have blind faith,
>and once u have the blind faith, it's very diffcult for you to reason
>yourself back to atheism again.
>Therefore, it's unreasonable to ask people to try religion in order to
>judge it. It's like asking people to "try dying to find out what
>death is like".
Well now, we can't judge death until we are dead right? So, why should
we judge religion without having experienced it? People have said that
religion is bad by any account, and that it is in no way useful, etc.,
but I don't totally agree with this. Of course, we cannot really say
how the religious folk would act had they not been exposed to religion,
but some people at least seemed to be helped in some ways by it.
So basically, we can not judge whether religion is the right route for
a given individual, or even for a general population. We can say that
it is not best for us personally (at least, you can choose not to use
religion--might be hard to try to find out its benefits, as you state
above).
keith
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From: jimd@pequod.gvg.tek.com (Jim Delwiche)
Subject: Re: VW Passat: advice sought
Organization: Grass Valley Group, Grass Valley, CA
Lines: 32
In article <Apr.19.12.13.52.1993.387@remus.rutgers.edu> hong@remus.rutgers.edu (Hyunki Hong) writes:
>
>I am currently in the car market and would like opinions on a VW
>Passat GLX. How does it compare to a Toyota Camry? I thought the car
>looked very solid, stable and European. Only disappointment so far is
>that that it doesn't offer an airbao my next question is, why isn't VW
>offering automobiles with airbags? Should I pay the extra three
>thousand for a BMW 318 is even though it is smaller and less powerful
>than than the Passat?
I think VW got caught out on the airbag thing. It's only been in the last
year or two that airbags have become a significant selling feature.
VW assumed that automatic belts would satisfy govt. requirements for
passive restraint, but didn't guess that the 'merican consumer would
actually make buy decisions based on the presence of an airbag.
VW is really hurting right now in the US market. Check out the
article in last week's Autoweek about the crisis at VW. Golfs and
Jettas will be coming from the plant in Mexico, but they don't have
the quality at that facility. As per normal VW practice, the US
launch of the Jetta III is delayed again and again, until a good chunk
of the useful life of the design is spent.
I think that Passats come from Germany, so there is not the same
quality and availability issue. It's a nice car with a nice engine.
Whether VW will be a player in the US market in two year's time is a
different question...
I'll leave the Passat / Camry flamewar for someone else.
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From: dprjdg@inetg1.ARCO.COM (John Grasham)
Subject: Re: Why not give $1 billion to first year-lo
Organization: ARCO Oil and Gas Company
Lines: 44
keithley@apple.com (Craig Keithley) writes:
>
> All in all, I'm not certain that the single goal/prize of staying on the
> moon for a year is wise and/or useful. How about: A prize for the
> first
> non-government sponsered unmanned moon landing, then another for a
> manned
> moon landing, then yet another for a system to extract consumables from
> lunar soil, another for a reusable earth/moon shuttle, and so forth.
> Find
> some way to build civilian moonbase infrastructure... Having a single
> goal
> might result in a bunch of contestents giving up after one person
> appeared
> to win. And for those that didn't give up, I find something a little
> scary
> about a half dozen people huddling in rickety little moon shelters. I'd
> like to see as much a reward for co-operation as for competition.
>
> Lastly, about ten or fifteen years back I seem to recall that there was
> an
> English space magazine that had an on-going discussion about moonbases
> on
> the cheap. I recalled it discussed things like how much heat the human
> body produced, how much lunar material it'd need for protection from
> solar
> flares, etc. Unfortunately I don't remember the name of this magazine.
> Does this ring a bell to anyone?
>
> Craig Keithley |"I don't remember, I don't recall,
> Apple Computer, Inc. |I got no memory of anything at all"
> keithley@apple.com |Peter Gabriel, Third Album (1980)
>
I love the idea of progressive developmental prizes, but the assumption
has
been all along that only the U.S. Gummint could fund the prizes. It
wouldn't and couldn't do such a thing ... BUT ...
An eccentric billionaire COULD offer such a prize or series of prizes.
Anyone know H. Ross Perot or Bill Gates personally?
John G.
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From: caldwell@brahms.udel.edu (David L Caldwell)
Subject: Re: Borland's Paradox Offer
Nntp-Posting-Host: brahms.udel.edu
Organization: University of Delaware
Distribution: usa
Lines: 19
>I am considering buying Borland's Paradox for Windows since I
>would like to use a database with Windows (I don't have/use
>one yet) for both work/home use. I would like to advantage
>of Borland's "$129.95 until April 30" offer if this package
>is everything that Borland claims it to be. So, I was
>wondering ... has anybody used this and/or have any opinions?
>
>-- Tom Belmonte
I've been using MS Access (still available from some stores for $99.00)
and I am quite pleased with it. It's relatively easy to learn, very easy
to use and somewhat easy to program. I highly recomend it, particularly
at $99.00! I have not used Paradox for Windows, but I don't expect it to
be $30.00 better than Access (IMHO).
--Dave
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From: vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt)
Subject: Re: Islamic Banks (was Re: Slavery
Reply-To: vdp@mayo.edu
Organization: Mayo Foundation/Mayo Graduate School :Rochester, MN
Lines: 39
In article 28833@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
#In <1993Apr14.143121.26376@bmw.mayo.edu> vdp@mayo.edu (Vinayak Dutt) writes:
#>So instead of calling it interest on deposits, you call it *returns on investements*
#>and instead of calling loans you call it *investing in business* (that is in other words
#>floating stocks in your company).
#
#No, interest is different from a return on an investment. For one
#thing, a return on an investment has greater risk, and not a set return
#(i.e. the amount of money you make can go up or down, or you might even
#lose money). The difference is, the risk of loss is shared by the
#investor, rather than practically all the risk being taken by the
#borrower when the borrower borrows from the bank.
#
But is it different from stocks ? If you wish to call an investor in stocks as
a banker, well then its your choice .....
#>Relabeling does not make it interest free !!
#
#It is not just relabeling, as I have explained above.
It *is* relabeling ...
Also its still not interest free. The investor is still taking some money ... as
dividend on his investment ... ofcourse the investor (in islamic *banking*, its your
so called *bank*) is taking more risk than the usual bank, but its still getting some
thing back in return ....
Also have you heard of junk bonds ???
---Vinayak
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vinayak dutt
e-mail: vdp@mayo.edu
standard disclaimers apply
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From: lfoard@hopper.virginia.edu (Lawrence C. Foard)
Subject: Re: Assurance of Hell
Organization: ITC/UVA Community Access UNIX/Internet Project
Lines: 43
In article <Apr.20.03.01.19.1993.3755@geneva.rutgers.edu> REXLEX@fnal.fnal.gov writes:
>
>I dreamed that the great judgment morning had dawned,
> and the trumpet had blown.
>I dreamed that the sinners had gathered for judgment
> before the white throne.
>Oh what weeping and wailing as the lost were told of their fate.
>They cried for the rock and the mountains.
>They prayed, but their prayers were too late.
>The soul that had put off salvation,
>"Not tonight I'll get saved by and by.
> No time now to think of ....... religion,"
>Alas, he had found time to die.
>And I saw a Great White Throne.
If I believed in the God of the bible I would be very fearful of making
this statement. Doesn't it say those who judge will be judged by the
same measure?
>Now, some have protest by saying that the fear of hell is not good for
>motivation, yet Jesus thought it was. Paul thought it was. Paul said,
>"Knowing therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men."
A God who must motivate through fear is not a God worthy of worship.
If the God Jesus spoke of did indeed exist he would not need hell to
convince people to worship him.
>Today, too much of our evangelism is nothing but soft soap and some of
>it is nothing but evangelical salesmanship. We don't tell people anymore, that
>there's such a thing as sin or that there's such a place as hell.
It was the myth of hell that made me finally realize that the whole thing
was untrue. If it hadn't been for hell I would still be a believer today.
The myth of hell made me realize that if there was a God that he was not
the all knowing and all good God he claimed to be. Why should I take such
a being at his word, even if there was evidence for his existance?
--
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\ / and bean eating ways. Accept 10 into your heart! . . .
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From: mlee@post.RoyalRoads.ca (Malcolm Lee)
Subject: Re: A KIND and LOVING God!!
Organization: Royal Roads Military College, Victoria, B.C.
Lines: 38
In article <9304141620.AA01443@dangermouse.mitre.org>, jmeritt@mental.mitre.org writes:
|> Leviticus 21:9
|> And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the
|> whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire.
|>
|> Deuteronomy 22:20-21
|> ...and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: then they shall
|> bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of the
|> city shall stone her with stones that she die...
|>
|> Deuteronomy 22:22
|> If a man be found lying with a woman married to a husband, then they shall
|> both of them die...
|>
|> Deuteronomy 22:23-24
|> If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto a husband, and a man find her
|> in the city, and lie with her; then ye shall bring them both out unto the
|> gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die...
|>
|> Deuteronomy 22:25
|> BUT if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her,
|> and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
These laws written for the Israelites, God's chosen people whom God had
expressly set apart from the rest of the world. The Israelites were a
direct witness to God's existence. To disobey God after KNOWing that God
is real would be an outright denial of God and therefore immediately punishable.
Remember, these laws were written for a different time and applied only to
God's chosen people. But Jesus has changed all of that. We are living in the
age of grace. Sin is no longer immediately punishable by death. There is
repentance and there is salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. And not just
for a few chosen people. Salvation is available to everyone, Jew and Gentile
alike.
God be with you,
Malcolm Lee :)
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From: radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu (Keith Radley)
Subject: Electronics
Summary: VCR and AMP
Nntp-Posting-Host: gibbs.oit.unc.edu
Organization: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
Distribution: usa
Lines: 18
Curtis Mathes VHS VCR Remote included and it works with universal remotes.
2 heads, Works great but I replaced it with a Stereo VCR.
paid $300 years ago, will sell for $125 delivered OBO.
Radio Shack stereo amp. 2 inputs, tone, and left and right volume. Speakers
not included. Compact 12W unit for $20 plus shipping. Great for Amiga
Stereo output or Soundblaster output.
If you are interested in either of the above mail me, Keith, at
radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu or call me at 919-968-7779.
I did have these sold but both deals fell thru so if you are still
interested in either email or call me.
_
_ // Major: Computer Science /<eith Radley
\\// Minor: English Radley@gibbs.oit.unc.edu
\/ Computer: AMIGA 3000 University of North Carolina
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From: gtd597a@prism.gatech.EDU (Hrivnak)
Subject: Re: Miami's name?
Article-I.D.: hydra.91678
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 13
In article <1993Apr6.160042.4953@vax.cns.muskingum.edu> da_tinker1@vax.cns.muskingum.edu writes:
>When will the new Miami franchise team announce it's name?
>Just curious.
The South Florida Colons.
:)
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From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: Re: interface to access separate appl.
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Lines: 27
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu
In article <9304121644.AA27256@expo.lcs.mit.edu> DBOHDAL@JAGUAR.ESS.HARRIS.COM writes:
<Dear Xperts:
<
< Here's my problem: I am designing several related X
<applications (each one is a separate executable) and I'd like
<to build a single control window that would allow the user to
<access each application (instead of having to locate the correct
<icon). The Control Window would contain a button for each
<application and by pressing it, the application's main window
<would appear. I would also like to use the application's button
<as a color status indicator. Has anyone done this or have any
<good ideas?? Because these are all separate executables this
<seems like a communications nightmare to me, but maybe I'm
<wrong. I'd appreciate any ideas! I'm using X11R5 and Motif 1.2.1.
<
<Thanks,
<dbohdal@jaguar.ess.harris.com
I can think of two different methods that you could try. 1) use fork and
execv 2) use the "system" called in your program. I'm assuming that you're
running under the Unix OS of course.
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From: narlochn@kirk.msoe.edu
Subject: More General Questions...
Distribution: usa
Organization: Milwaukee School Of Engineering, Milwaukee, WI USA
Lines: 8
I have two questions:
1) What would be required to create a Macintosh PC network
including laser printers, line printers, etc.?
2) What would be bare minimum to create a network for
the primary purpose of networking a laser printer by
approx. 3 mac's?
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From: jmilhoan@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (JT)
Subject: 2 PowerBook Questions
Article-I.D.: magnus.1993Apr6.215646.23800
Organization: The Ohio State University
Lines: 13
Nntp-Posting-Host: bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu
1. Why, or how actually, can a Powerbook have a 640 x 400 pixel
display, regardless if it is a 9" or 10", and still keep the
72 dpi resolution? (I assume that it doesn't, and I don't
mean to imply they *all* have these dimensions)
2. Any info on price drops or new models (non-Duo) coming up?
Thanks,
JT
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From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)
Subject: Re: Kyle K. on Rodney King
Distribution: usa
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
Lines: 19
thf2@kimbark.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
>In article <C5Lp0y.FDK@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
>> How about the fact that you have a bunch of cops putting their lives on
>>the line day in and day out who are afraid as hell of a large black guy that
> ^^^^^
>>took a large amount of punishment and refused submit?
>I'm curious why you think that particular adjective is important.
I'm curious why you took a beign statement and cross-posted it to several
different news groups, including something along the lines of alt.discrimination Look Rodney King is black and large. I have several large black male friends,and they are referred to as being large black men ( to their faces, and by
themselves ). You know, Ted, I have a large number of adjectives for you,
but I will spare you most of them because I try not to get into personal
flame wars. Let me just say that I think your action of cross posting this
was total BS, and you're trying to start some crap. Hopefully, others will
see through your trite little game and not play along.
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