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From: jmd@cube.handheld.com (Jim De Arras)
Subject: Re: guns in backcountry? no thanks
Organization: Hand Held Products, Inc.
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Distribution: world
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In article <0096B294.AAD9C1E0@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu> reimer@uinpla.npl.uiuc.edu
(Paul E. Reimer) writes:
> In article <1qkftjINNoij@cronkite.cisco.com>, pitargue@cisco.com (Marciano
Pitargue) writes:
>
> [stuff deleted about causes of people in ER]
>
> >and your factoid about shooting victims in the ER. count how many come in
> >due to automobile accidents and automobile crimes. maybe we should outlaw
> >cars.
> >marciano pitargue@cisco.com
>
> There are a lot of automobile accidents, but atleast there is some
> regulation to try to combat this.
Such as? Drunk drivers get back on the road in no time, to kill again. Seems
the driver's license process does not work for this.
> When I got my drivers license, I HAD
> to take a drivers safety class.
Because you wanted one while you were underage.
> I HAVE to be licensed to drive.
Only on public roads.
> My car
> MUST be registered.
Only if it is to be driven on public roads, other than between segments of my
property.
> I MUST (at least where I live) have liability
> insurance on both myself driving and my car (if someone else had an
> accident with it).
Only on public roads.
> Hmm, wouldn't manditory saftey classes, registration
> of both the owner and gun, and manditory liability insurance be nice for
> gun owners.
Perhaps, if it gave them permission to shoot in public roads and parks. :-)
>
> Paul Reimer
> reimer@uinpluxa.npl.uiuc.edu
Jim
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jmd@handheld.com
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"I'm always rethinking that. There's never been a day when I haven't rethought
that. But I can't do that by myself." Bill Clinton 6 April 93
"If I were an American, as I am an Englishman, while a foreign troop was landed
in my country, I never would lay down my arms,-never--never--never!"
WILLIAM PITT, EARL OF CHATHAM 1708-1778 18 Nov. 1777
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From: bmoss@grinch.sim.es.com (Brent "Spuzy" Moss)
Subject: Re: water in trunk of 89 Probe??
Nntp-Posting-Host: 130.187.200.5
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
Lines: 4
The rubber drain plugs under my carpet in my mazda glc leaked
like the ones are doing under your spare in the Probe.
I tooke them out and put some silicone sealant on them
and put them back in.
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From: brian@lpl.arizona.edu (Brian Ceccarelli 602/621-9615)
Subject: Re: Is it good that Jesus died?
Organization: Lunar & Planetary Laboratory, Tucson AZ.
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In article <bskendigC5rBvn.AAI@netcom.com> bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig) writes:
>And I maintain:
>
>Some people do not want to enter into the light and the knowledge that
>they alone are their own masters, because they fear it; they are too
>afraid of having to face the world on their own terms. And so, by
>their own choice, they will remain in darkness, sort of like bugs
>under a rock. However, some people, but not many, will not like the
>darkness. Sometimes it gets too cold and too dark to be comfortable.
>These people will crawl out from under the rock, and, although blinded
>at first, will get accustomed to the light and enjoy its warmth. And,
>after a while, now that they can see things for what they really are,
>they will also see the heights which they can reach, and the places
>they can go, and they will learn to choose their own paths through the
>world, and they will learn from their mistakes and revel in their
>successes.
Are you your own master? Do you have any habits that you cannot break?
For one, you seem unable to master your lack of desire to understand
even the slightest concept of the Bible. Seems that ignorance has you
mastered. How about sexual sins? Gotta any of those secret desires
in your head that you harbor but can get control of? Do you dehumanize
women when they walk past you? Do you degrade them to a sex object in
your head? Are you the master of that kind of thinking? Do you insult
people unknowingly, then regret it later. Yet do it again the next
time opportunity presents itself? Are you truly the master of yourself?
I have admitted that I am not the master of my thought life at all times.
That I sometimes say things I do want to say, and then repeat my mistake
unwantingly. I have admitted to myself that I cannot control every aspect
of my being. There are times I know I shouldn't say something, but
then say it anyway. There are times I simply forget a lesson.
I, in fact, am not my own master. I need help. Jesus promised me
this help. And I took him up on his offer. I have willfully let
Jesus be my master because Jesus knows what is better for me than
I myself do. And why not? Does not the creator know his creation
better than the creation? Does Toyota know what's better for the
Corolla than the Corolla?
>Do you see my point? I think you're the one under the rock, and I'm
>getting a great tan out here in the sunlight. My life has improved
>immesurably since I abandoned theism -- come and join me! It will be
>a difficult trip at first, until you build up your muscles for the
>long hike, but it's well worth it!
Then I guess ignorance is bliss for you. Because Brian, you enjoy
not having a clue about the Bible.
>Don't you see? I'm not going to accept ANYTHING that I can't witness
>with my own eyes or experience with my own senses, especially not
>something as mega-powerful as what you're trying to get me to accept.
>Surely if you believe in it this strongly, you must have a good
>*reason* to, don't you?
Can you witness motherly love with your senses? How does caring and
concern for you register with your senses? If nothing registers
to you other than what you can see, taste, smell, hear and touch,
then you better become a Vulcan and fast. You better get rid
of your emotions.
And I do have a good reason to believe what I do.
>When did I say that? I say that I would rather CEASE EXISTING instead
>of being subject to the whims of a deity, but that if the deity
>decided to toss me into the fiery pits because of who I am, then so be it.
The topic was about my God and your lack of knowledge about what my
God says. My God says that you will not CEASE EXISTING. You have
life forever. You can choose to either live it in hell in eternal
torment where there is no communication whatsoever, or can choose to
live it in paradise with God. That is what my God says. And that
was the issue. Your made-up theism is what it is--made up. It's
wishful thinking.
>Nope -- most people are Christian. Most people are fond of feeling
>that they are imperfect, of believing that the world is an undesirable
>place, of reciting magical mystical prayers to make the world nice and
>holy again, of doing just as their priests tell them, like good little
>sheep. You enjoy darkness, and you're proud of it.
Is this the religion of Kendigianism? Most people are not Christian. Most
people, including Christians, are not fond of feeling that they
are imperfect. Is "the world an undesireable place" a doctrine
of Kendigianism? It has nothing to do with my God. Does
Kendigism have magical mystical prayers as a part of its worship?
Mine doesn't. Does Kendigianism believe that the world will be holy again?
Mine doesn't. Does Kendigianism also dictate that one must obey what the
priest tells them like good little sheep? Mine doesn't. Is this
a bunch of lies you tell yourself so that you can justify being
ignorant of the Bible?
Brian, following Christ has nothing to do with the doctrines of Kendigianism.
You would find any of your doctrines in the Bible. I don't follow Kendigianism.
I follow Christ. Also, to try to again show you your ignorance
of Christ and the Bible in regards to "priests", have you not read about
the sole Melchizedek priest in Hebrews 7 and 8? Have you not read what the
purpose is of the Old Testament Levitical priesthood and why there should
NOT be priests today? Yes, guess what? The Catholics messed up. I do
not follow Catholicism or any "ism." I follow Christ.
>Nope. You make decisions, enjoy your successes, and accept your
>failures; then you die. If you are content with the life you've led
>as you reflect back on it in your final moments, then you've led a
>good life.
Why would you want to live a good life?
To you, you die and that's it. Don't contradict yourself. You have
no reason to live a good life. It doesn't do you any good in the
end. Your life doesn't do anybody else any good either because
everyone dies anyway. So you have no reason to lead a good life. Leading
a good life is meaningless. Why do you do such a meaningless thing?
>I'm sorry, I don't feel that sacrificing Jesus was something any god
>I'd worship would do, unless the sacrifice was only temporary, in
>which case it's not really all that important.
Has the resurrection sunk in? Jesus is alive. Jesus is NOT dead.
Jesus was sacrified to fufill the Old Testament sacrificial system
in its every detail. Jesus's death was like a seed. He needed
to fall to the ground so that many new lives would take root. Did
you miss the entire John passage as well?
>Forget the Bible for a minute. Forget quoting verses, forget about
>who said what about this or that. *Show me.* Picture just you and me
>and a wide open hilltop, and convince me that you're right.
Forget that I am a person. Forget that I know how to type. Forget
that I know how to put a sentence together. Forget that I know
how to send e-mail. Forget my existence. Proove to me that I
exist. .
Be honest.
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From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke)
Subject: Re: Comet in Temporary Orbit Around Jupiter?
Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory
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Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
News-Software: VAX/VMS VNEWS 1.41
In article <1993Apr6.061329.25582@den.mmc.com>, seale@possum.den.mmc.com (Eric H Seale) writes...
>baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) writes:
>>According the IAU Circular #5744, Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e, may be
>>temporarily in orbit around Jupiter. The comet had apparently made a
>>close flyby of Jupiter sometime in 1992 resulting in the breakup of the
>>comet.
>
>Ooooh -- who would have thought that Galileo would get the chance to
>check out a comet TOO?!?
Comet Gehrels 3, which was discovered in 1977, was determined to have
been in a temporary Jovian orbit from 1970 to 1973. Comet Shoemaker-Levy 1993e
may remain in orbit around Jupiter long enough to allow Galileo to
make some closeup observations. The orbital trajectory for Comet
Shoemaker-Levy is still being determined.
___ _____ ___
/_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov
| | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab |
___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 525-3684 Telos | Being cynical never helps
/___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | to correct the situation
|_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | and causes more aggravation
| instead.
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From: hal@cco.caltech.edu (Hal Finney)
Subject: Re: text of White House announcement and Q&As on clipper chip encryption
Organization: California Institute of Technology, Pasadena
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Distribution: na
NNTP-Posting-Host: alumni.caltech.edu
The key question is whether non-Clipper encryption will be made illegal.
> The Administration is not saying, "since encryption
> threatens the public safety and effective law enforcement,
> we will prohibit it outright" (as some countries have
> effectively done); nor is the U.S. saying that "every
> American, as a matter of right, is entitled to an
> unbreakable commercial encryption product." There is a
> false "tension" created in the assessment that this issue is
> an "either-or" proposition. Rather, both concerns can be,
> and in fact are, harmoniously balanced through a reasoned,
> balanced approach such as is proposed with the "Clipper
> Chip" and similar encryption techniques.
The clear middle ground implied by these statements is to say that Americans
have the right to Clipper encryption, but not to unbreakable encryption.
This implies that, ultimately, non-Clipper strong encryption must become
illegal.
(As an aside, isn't the language here jarring? All this talk about
"harmonious balance" when they're talking about taking away people's
right to communications privacy?)
Although the article emphasizes voice communication, data and mail encryption
is mentioned as well:
>Sophisticated encryption technology has been used for years to
>protect electronic funds transfer. It is now being used to
>protect electronic mail and computer files.
> -- the privacy of our citizens, including the need to
> employ voice or data encryption for business purposes;
It looks like the worst nightmares raised by Dorothy Denning's proposals
are coming true. If the government continues on this course, I imagine
that we will see strong cryptography made illegal. Encryption programs
for disk files and email, as well as software to allow for encrypted
voice communications, will be distributed only through the
"underground". People will have to learn how to hide the fact that
they are protecting their privacy.
It's shocking and frightening to see that this is actually happening here.
Hal Finney
hal@alumni.caltech.edu
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From: ebosco@us.oracle.com (Eric Bosco)
Subject: CTRL-ALT DEL locks the computer fafter Windows
Reply-To: ebosco@us.oracle.com
Organization: Oracle Corp., Redwood Shores CA
Lines: 9
Nntp-Posting-Host: monica.us.oracle.com
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by an unauthenticated user
at Oracle Corporation. The opinions expressed are those
of the user and not necessarily those of Oracle.
Whenever I exit Windows, I can't use control-alt DEL to reboot my
computer, because the system hangs when I do this. I can still reboot
using the reset key, but I would like to know why this happens..
Eric
ebosco@us.oracle.com
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From: qpliu@ernie.Princeton.EDU (q.p.liu)
Subject: Re: A visit from the Jehovah's Witnesses
Originator: news@nimaster
Nntp-Posting-Host: ernie.princeton.edu
Reply-To: qpliu@princeton.edu
Organization: Princeton University
Lines: 34
In article <1993Apr5.091139.823@batman.bmd.trw.com> jbrown@batman.bmd.trw.com writes:
>In article <16BA5DA01.I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de>, I3150101@dbstu1.rz.tu-bs.de (Benedikt Rosenau) writes:
>> But could you give a definition of free will? Especially in the
>> presence of an omniscient being?
>"Will" is "self-determination". In other words, God created conscious
>beings who have the ability to choose between moral choices independently
>of God. All "will", therefore, is "free will".
So these hypothetical conscious beings can ignore any influences of
their circumstances (their genetics, their environment, their experiences)
which are not all self-determined?
(Of course, the idea of Hell makes the idea of "free will" dubious.
On the other hand, the idea of Hell is not a very powerful idea.
"A Parable for You
"There was once our main character who blah blah blah.
"One day, a thug pointed a mean looking gun at OMC, and
said, 'Do what I say, or I'm blasting you to hell.'
"OMC thought, 'If I believe this thug, and follow the
instructions that will be given, I'll avoid getting blasted to
hell. On the other hand, if I believe this thug, and do not
follow the instructions that will be given, I'll get blasted to
hell. Hmm... the more attractive choice is obvious, I'll
follow the instructions.' Now, OMC found the choice obvious
because everything OMC had learned about getting blasted to
hell made it appear very undesirable.
"But then OMC noticed that the thug's gun wasn't a real
gun. The thug's threats were make believe.
"So OMC ignored the thug and resumed blah blah blah.")
--
qpliu@princeton.edu Standard opinion: Opinions are delta-correlated.
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From: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
Subject: The fact of the theory
Reply-To: halat@pooh.bears (Jim Halat)
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In article <C5u6p5.5nx@usenet.ucs.indiana.edu>, adpeters@sunflower.bio.indiana.edu (Andy Peters) writes:
[...stuff deleted...]
Andy-- I think we do agree, given your clarification of how we were
each using the terms fact and theory. I'll only add that I
think perhaps I feel more strongly about separating them,
though your usage is quite valid.
>Note that the fact of evolution is still a theory. In other words, it
>could, theoretically, still be falsified and rejected. But since it's
>so predictive, and so consistently supported by evidence, it seems
>pointless to explicitly try to falsify it anymore.
I'll add here that any falsification or rejection does not in any way
reduce its current usefulness. So long as it accurately predicts or
describes things we can observe.
Not to be a pain in the ass, but is there any reason you don't
just say _the theory of evolution_ rather than the _fact of evolution
is still a theory_. I'm asking because this whole thread got started
because I was bothered by a post that referred to _the fact of evolution_,
basically leaving off the phrase _is still a theory_. Without a
clarification, like the one you just gave, just saying _the fact of
evolution_ has a very different meaning to me.
>
>[description of atomic theory, and alternative theories of gravity, deleted]
>>Both are very useful models that
>>have no religious overtones or requirements of faith, unless of course you
>>want to demand that it is a factual physical entity described exactly
>>the way the theory now formulated talks about it.
>
>Here is where you fail to make an important distinction. You have
>shoehorned the _facts_ of the _existence_ of gravity and atoms and
>evolution into one category with the _theories_ which have been
>proposed to explain the _mechanisms_. The existence of these things
>is so predictive as to be considered fact. The mechanisms, on the
>other hand, are still worth discussing.
I'm not sure I agree here. Again, it may be because I feel stronger
about separating terms. I was trying to say that the _theories_
proposed to explain the _mechanisms_ and the _mechanisms_ themselves
are the only realities here. It is the existence of mechanisms, not
the things themselves, that are so predictive as to be considered
fact (as you would say). There aren't really little planetary particle
systems called atoms out there. Or I should say, and more to my original
point, it would be a leap of faith to say there are, because we observe only
the mechanisms. There is no need to _believe_ there are _actually_
atoms out there as we have decided to think about them. It's enough
to discuss the mechanisms. At any rate, I'm not sure I am being
any clearer than before, but I thought it was worth a shot.
The bottom line, though, is I think we agree on two fundamental ideas:
1. --evolution is a theory supported by observational evidence (my way)
--the fact of evolution is a theory supported by observational
evidence (your way)
2. --creation is just an opinion. If a theist wants to call it
a theory then he can. I won't: it has no supporting evidence
and it neither predicts nor supports any observations that can
be made. With no mechanisms to talk about, there really isn't
much to say.
Do you agree?
--
jim halat halat@bear.com
bear-stearns --whatever doesn't kill you will only serve to annoy you--
nyc i speak only for myself
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From: gtoal@gtoal.com (Graham Toal)
Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)
Lines: 9
I think I should also point out that the mystical DES engines
are known plaintext engines (unless you add a ton of really smart
hardware?)
Assume the ton of smart hardware. It doesn't really have to be that smart.
G
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From: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.COM (David Kenney)
Subject: My 1993 Predictions
Reply-To: kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
Organization: Intergraph Corporation, Huntsville, Alabama
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I thought I'd post my predicted standings since I find those posted by others
to be interesting. Sorry this is after Opening Day. I certify that these
were completed before the first pitch. :-)
AL East
1. New York Yankees - the most (only?) improved team in this division
2. Toronto Blue Jays - Stewart and Morris? No way.
3. Milwaukee Brewers - they always seem to do better than I expect
4. Baltimore Orioles - Pitching, but Devareaux, Anderson, and Hoiles will drop
5. Cleveland Indians - Still don't seem to know what they are doing
6. Detroit Tigers - All key players but Fryman are another year past peak
7. Boston Red Sox - Any team with Clemens and Viola might be beter than 7th
Al West - this division was the toughest for me to pick. Whoever of the top
4 gets pitching should win it.
1. Minnesota Twins - young pitchers seem to have best chance for success
2. Texas Rangers - I don't know why I have them here. Jose Canseco?
3. Chicago White Sox - Frank Thomas but no pitching.
4. Oakland A's - LaRussa is the best manager and would keep any team close
5. Seattle Mariners - I like Pinella, but don't see much here
6. Kansas City Royals - will score no runs
7. California Angels - will win no games
NL East
1. Montreal Expos - good all around, plus no Wallach!
2. St. Louis Cardinals - (Jeffries + Whiten) >> (Jose + Clark), no Galarraga
3. Pittsburgh Pirates - youngsters will take up more slack than expected
4. New York Mets - some good players, still not a "team"
5. Philadelphia Phillies - they don't impress me
6. Florida Marlins - they know what they're doing
7. Chicago Cubs - they don't know what they're doing
NL West - The 2 best teams in baseball are in this division.
1. Atlanta Braves - Awesome starters, but offense could be a concern
2. Cincinnati Reds - Would not surprise me if they won it all
3. Houston Astros - Any team that signs Uribe won't contend. Closer to 4 than 2
4. San Diego Padres - Plantier could be the Sheffield of 1993
5. Los Angeles Dodgers - better pitching than the Giants
6. San Francisco Giants - because the Rockies just stink
7. Colorado Rockies - will become the Seattle Mariners of the NL.
NLCS Montreal d. Atlanta (Braves fans, yes I'm probably contradicting
what I said in my NL West comment.)
ALCS New York d. Minnesota
World Series New York d. Montreal - Hating the Yankees will be
fashionable again
NL MVP: Barry Bonds, or maybe McGriff
NL Cy Young: Jose Rijo
AL MVP: Frank Thomas will deserve it (again), but Fielder might win it
AL Cy Young: Roger Clemens (at least will deserve it (again))
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David Kenney kenney@tribe.b17d.ingr.com
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From: randy@megatek.com (Randy Davis)
Subject: Re: A Miracle in California
Article-I.D.: megatek.1993Apr5.223941.11539
Reply-To: randy@megatek.com
Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, California
Lines: 15
In article <1ppvof$92a@seven-up.East.Sun.COM> egreen@East.Sun.COM writes:
|Bikers wave to bikers the world over. Whether or not Harley riders
|wave to other bikers is one of our favorite flame wars...
I am happy to say that some Harley riders in our area are better than most
that are flamed about here: I (riding a lowly sport bike, no less) and my
girlfriend were the recipient of no less than twenty waves from a group of
at least twenty-five Harley riders. I was leading a group of about four
sport bikes at the time (FJ1200/CBR900RR/VFR750). I initiated *some* of the
waves, but not all. It was a perfect day, and friendly riders despite some
brand differences made it all the better...
Randy Davis Email: randy@megatek.com
ZX-11 #00072 Pilot {uunet!ucsd}!megatek!randy
DoD #0013
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From: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Subject: Re: 24-bit Static color: will clients like it?
Nntp-Posting-Host: bambam
Reply-To: pmartz@dsd.es.com (Paul Martz)
Organization: Evans & Sutherland Computer Corp., Salt Lake City, UT
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In article <1993Apr26.123918.1@vxcrna.cern.ch>, roeber@vxcrna.cern.ch (Frederick Roeber) writes:
> I'm writing an X server for some video-generation equipment. The
> hardware is "truecolor" in YUV space; in X terms it has a 24-bit
> static color visual. I would really like to have the server just
> present this static visual, but I'm not sure if this will be
> acceptable to "most" X clients. The three problems I see are:
>
> 1) The colormap, though huge, is static.
> 2) All pixels would be 3 bytes wide.
> 3) Because the hardware actually lives in YUV space, the
> translation RGB->YUV will introduce some rounding error.
We tried to ship an X server once that only supported a 24bit
TrueColor visual. The main problems we encountered were:
1) Clients written with logic like the following:
if (DefaultDepth() != 1)
/* Assume default depth is 8bit */
These clients need an 8bit deep visual in the root window
to run correctly.
2) Other clients didn't even bother to do that much, and just
outright assumed they had a *dynamic* visual class, with a
dynamic colormap. XStoreColors doesn't work on cmaps
associated with Static or TrueColor visual classes, but
many clients don't bother to check, they just start
throwing XStoreColor calls at you.
Though both are clearly client error, this is the case with so many
clients that it's easier for you to expose 8bit PseudoColor as a
default root window visual, than it ever would be for all these client
writers to change their clients to do the right thing.
--
-paul pmartz@dsd.es.com
Evans & Sutherland
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From: james@dlss2 (James Cummings)
Subject: Re: Borland's Paradox Offer
Organization: RedRock Development
Distribution: usa
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In article <5031@cvbnetPrime.COM> tbelmont@feds55.prime.com (Tom Belmonte x4858) writes:
|I am considering buying Borland's Paradox for Windows since I
|would like to use a database with Windows (I don't have/use
|one yet) for both work/home use. I would like to advantage
|of Borland's "$129.95 until April 30" offer if this package
|is everything that Borland claims it to be. So, I was
|wondering ... has anybody used this and/or have any opinions?
Yes, and it's pretty much what they claim. I haven't had time to
try all of it. Considering the price, even if you decide you don't like it,
it should be saleable over the next 2-3 months for what you have in it (once
the price goes up). All in all it's very serviceable; and in my humble
opinion, more powerful than Access.
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From: andy@SAIL.Stanford.EDU (Andy Freeman)
Subject: Re: Is itproper net etiquette to advertise a company's junk mail list?
Organization: Computer Science Department, Stanford University.
Distribution: usa
Lines: 42
In article <1993Apr15.234451.15707@leland.Stanford.EDU> thomper@leland.Stanford.EDU (Dale Buford Thompson) writes:
>>My company maintains a 20,000+ mailing list which is regularly rented for
> ^^^^^^^^^^
Oh no! Someone is provided useful information AND mentioned that they
made money in the field. Don't they know that usenet is reserved for
uninformed speculation by people trying to sell their personal stuff
(from houses to dead pcs) at a huge markup/trying to unload stuff they
bought from their company at just under retail, and other
"non-commercial" activities.
>>a MS Windows utility product in the $100 range, and is available through
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Direct Media in CT., at $0.10 per name. Please let your direct mail
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ !!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>marketing rep. know about this.. Thanks.
>> !!!! !!!!! !!!!
>
>It is my impression that net etiquette does not allow companies to
>use the net to directly advertise their products.
The net is not "supposed" to be a dumping ground for free ads, but
reserving it for tripe doesn't seem to be a significant improvement.
>In addition to improper etiquette, this product is a mailing list
>used for generating junk mail.
So? Either they target it well enough to pay for it, in other words,
they manage to send it to people who want the stuff (in which case it
is junk only for the "rest" and the transaction costs are borne
appropriately in this case) or they go bankrupt. Seems fair to me.
>Am I correct in assuming this is improper, and if so, what can be
>done to penalize such an improper use?
You could hold your breath. You could kill offending messages as
they come onto your machine and refuse to send them any further,
but not until you turn blue.
-andy
--
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From: amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor)
Subject: Re: Off the shelf cheap DES keyseach machine (Was: Re: Corporate acceptance of the wiretap chip)
Organization: Department of Mathematics
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: moink.nmsu.edu
In article <1r1otuINNdb2@dns1.NMSU.Edu>
amolitor@nmsu.edu (Andrew Molitor) writes:
> The 'plaintext' is digitized voice, and exists for a very short
>time, probably in a couple inches of copper, tops. It's flatly not
>available -- your bug in my office can hear my voice, and even digitize
>it, but it's going to get a different bitstream.
I am an idiot. The plaintext that's relevant is the session key.
If you know that, you probably don't need a roomful of chips, do you?
If you were going to brute force something interesting, that'd be the
message stream, which is sort of approximately known by, say, a bug in
my office. Then your roomful of chips could get the session key. Which
I change every morning.
Really, it's just a whole lot easier for the illicit wiretappers
to stick a bug in your phone.
Andrew Molitor
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From: seth@north6.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman)
Subject: morphing
Reply-To: seth@north6.acpub.duke.edu (Seth Wandersman)
Lines: 6
Nntp-Posting-Host: north6.acpub.duke.edu
Keywords:
I am looking for some morphing programs for DEC's or pc's. I looked for a program
called dmorph using archie but could not find it. I found a progrmam call
morpho but it only did grayscale images. Does anyone know where I should look?
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From: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca (Richard Cook)
Subject: Re: Need to find out number to a phone line
Organization: University of Western Ontario, London
Nntp-Posting-Host: server.gfx.engga.uwo.ca
Lines: 23
In article <20756.2bd16dea@ecs.umass.edu> alee@ecs.umass.edu writes:
>
>Greetings!
>
> Situation: I have a phone jack mounted on a wall. I don't
> know the number of the line. And I don't want
> to call up the operator to place a trace on it.
>
> Question: Is there a certain device out there that I can
> use to find out the number to the line?
> Thanks for any response.
> Al
>
>
How about calling someone with the Caller ID service and have them call you back
with the number?
--
Richard Cook (519) 641-1985 E-mail: rcook@gfx.engga.uwo.ca
Elect. Eng. FAX (519) 661-3488
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From: bf3833@pyuxe.cc.bellcore.com (feigenbaum,benjamin)
Subject: Re: Israel's Expansion II
Organization: Bellcore, Livingston, NJ
Summary: Hope Springs Eternal
Lines: 37
In article <1993Apr20.013037.20907@news.columbia.edu>, pgf5@cunixb.cc.columbia.edu (Peter Garfiel Freeman) writes:
> In article <19APR93.22304462.0062@VM1.MCGILL.CA> B8HA@MUSICB.MCGILL.CA (B8HA) writes:
> >So nice of you all to answer some questions. And it so nice that most
> >of you feel that it would be in your hearts to give the Palestinians
> >some land - most of you focus on the fact that Israel annexed all
> >this land and it is a kind gesture to give some of it back. Well,
> >I hope that after after a state run by Palestinians is established,
> >the first decision should be to make Jerusalem part of this state -
> >by annexing it of course.
> >
>
> >Steve
Steve,
If the Israelis are stupid enough to "allow" a second "Palestinian"
state (the first one is Jordon), then you will probably get your
wish - and the Israelis would get what's coming to them.
However, if the "Palestinians" were to somehow demonstrate that
they could govern themselves AND live in peace with their
Jewish neighbors, then they would have to give up the idea of
Jerusalem as a part of their state - and you would be disappointed.
>
> Israel has not annexed any of the West Bank, just Jeruselum. Which
> will remain part of Israel forever!
>
>
Yashir Koach to this.
>
>
>
Ben.
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From: jrbeach@iastate.edu (Jeffry R Beach)
Subject: Re: Good Neighbor Political Hypocrisy Test
Organization: Iowa State University, Ames, IA
Lines: 25
In article <stevethC5Js6F.Fn5@netcom.com> steveth@netcom.com (Steve Thomas) writes:
> Boy, it looks like the WOD is WORKING REALLY GOOD to stop people from
> being screwed up in the head, given that example!
>
>(Issue: your friend _got_ his drugs--legal or not legal, he'll continue to
>get them. Issue #2: why should _I_, as somebody who does NOT use illegal
>drugs and who IS NOT "screwed up" have to PAY for this idiot's problems? He's
>not doing anybody any harm except himself. The WOD, on the other hand, is an
>immediate THREAT to MY life and livelyhood. Tell me why I should sacrafice
>THIS to THAT!).
Hello, is there anybody in there? You think you have to pay for this idiot's
problem now, who's going to pay for the ballooning number of addicts and
all of the associated problems with them. I don't even want to think about
it with Hillary in the White House and an administration that "feels our
pain".
No harm but to himself? What about when he drives his school bus full
of kids into a train. When he gets stoned and drives up on a sidewalk
and kills 5 people. When he lives off me on Welfare for the rest of his
life.
The problem with the WOD is that it has no bite. Sending the slimy
bastards to the chair for selling drugs to kids, now there's some bit.
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From: filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk)
Subject: Get Real. Caps have no chance
Reply-To: filinuk@staff.dccs.upenn.edu (Geoff Filinuk)
Organization: University of Pennsylvania
Lines: 7
Nntp-Posting-Host: staff.dccs.upenn.edu
Anyone who really believes that the Caps can beat
the Pens are kidding themselves. The Pens may not loose
one game in the playoffs.
Geoff Filinuk
Flyers Fan
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From: jhpb@sarto.budd-lake.nj.us (Joseph H. Buehler)
Subject: Re: SSPX schism ?
Organization: none
Lines: 138
In article <Apr.20.03.03.06.1993.3836@geneva.rutgers.edu> shellgate!llo@uu4.psi.com (Larry L. Overacker) writes:
You ask where we are. I would echo that question. I'm not trying to be
contentious. But assuming that the Pope has universal jurisdiction
and authority, what authority do you rely upon for your decisions?
What prevents me from choosing ANY doctrine I like and saying that
Papal disagreement is an error that will be resolved in time?
This is especially true, since Councils of Bishops have basically
stood by the Pope.
The ultimate question is the traditional theology of the Church. This
is the *only* thing that it is possible to resist a Pope for: his
departure from the traditional doctrine of the Church. If commands
from *any* authority conflict with Tradition, the commands must be
disobeyed.
My own view on this is that this conflict could only happen in a major
way. God would never allow a hair-splitting situation to develop; it
would be too complex for people to figure out. I don't view the
present situation in the Church as anything extremely complicated.
Run through a list of what has happened in the last 30 years in the
Catholic Church, and any impartial observer will be aghast.
It appears that much of what lies at the heart of this matter is
disagreements over what is tradition and Tradition, and also over
authority and discipline.
The problems stem from a general widespread ignorance of the Catholic
Faith, in my opinion. Most Catholics know about zilch about the
Catholic Faith; this leaves them wide open for destruction by erring
bishops. It's basically the Reformation part II.
There is not even a question in my mind that in some respects the
shards of the Catholic Church are currently being trampled upon by the
Catholic hierarchy. I could go on listing shocking things for an
hour, probably.
Take the situation in Campos, Brazil, for example. I'm reading a book
on what happened there after Vatican Council II. The bishop, Antonio
de Castro-Mayer, never introduced all the changes that followed in the
wake of Vatican II. He kept the traditional Mass, the same old
catechisms, etc. He made sure the people knew their faith, the
Catholic theology of obedience, what Modernism was, etc. He
innoculated the people against what was coming.
Well, one day the order came from Rome for his retirement. It came
when the Pope was sick. Bishop de Castro-Mayer waited until the Pope
recovered, then inquired whether this command was what the Pope really
wanted, or something that some Liberal had commanded in his absence.
The Pope confirmed the decision. So the good bishop retired.
The injustice that followed was completely incredible. A new bishop
was installed. He proceeded to expel most of bishop de Castro-Mayer's
clergy from their churches, because they refused to celebrate the New
Mass. The new bishop would visit a parish, and celebrate a New Mass.
The people would promptly walk out of the church en masse. The bishop
was *enraged* by this. He usually resorted to enlisting the help of
the secular authorities to eject the priest from the church. The
priests would just start building new churches; the people were
completely behind them. The old parishes had the New Mass, as the
bishop desired -- and virtually no parishioners.
The prime motivation for all this was completely illegal, according to
canon law. No priest can be penalized in any way for saying the
traditional Mass, because of legislation enacted by Pope Saint Pius V.
Nor is there any obligation to say the New Mass.
During all this process, the people of Campos, not just private
individuals, but including civil authorities, were constantly sending
petitions and letters to Rome to do something about the new Modernist
bishop. NOTHING was ever done; no help ever arrived from Rome.
Eventually 37 priests were kicked out, and about 40,000 people.
My question to the supporters of SSPX is this:
Is there ANY way that your positions with respect to church reforms
could change and be conformed to those of the Pope? (assuming that
the Pope's position does not change and that the leaders of SSPX
don't jointly make such choice.)
If not, this appears to be claiming infallible teaching authority.
If I adopt the view that "I'm NOT wrong, I CAN'T be wrong, and
there's NO WAY I'll change my mind, YOU must change yours", that
I've either left the Catholic Church or it has left me.
If the Pope defines certain things ex cathedra, that would be the end
of the controversy. That process is all very well understood in
Catholic theology, and anyone who doesn't go along with it is an
instant non-Catholic.
The problem here is that people do not appreciate what is going on in
the Catholic world. If they knew the Faith, and what our bishops are
doing, they would be shocked!
We sould argue from now until the Second Coming about what the "real"
traditional teaching of the Church is. If this were a simple matter
East and West would not have been separated for over 900 years.
This isn't the case in the Catholic Church. There is a massive body
of traditional teaching. The Popes of the last 150 years are
especially relevant. There is no question at all what the traditional
doctrine is.
I thought that the teaching magisterieum of the church did not allow
error in teachings regarding faith and morals even in the short term.`
I may be wrong here, I'm not Roman Catholic. :-)
That's heresy, more or less. Although they have done a great job
since the Reformation, the last 30 years have seen so many errors
spread that it's pitiful.
Infallibility rests in the Pope, and in the Church as a whole. In the
short term, a Pope, or large sections of the Church can go astray. In
fact, that's what usually happens during a major heresy: large
sections of the Church go astray. (The Pope historically has been
much more reliable.) Everything will always come back in the long
run.
What would be the effect of a Pope making an ex cathedra statement
regarding the SSPX situation? Would it be honored? If not, how
do you get around the formal doctrine of infallibility?
Again, I'm not trying to be contentions, I'm trying to understand.
Since I'm Orthodox, I've got no real vested interest in the outcome,
one way or the other.
Yes, it would be honored. Infallibility is infallibility. But what
is he going to define? That the New Mass is a better expression of
the Catholic Faith than the old? That sex education in the Catholic
schools is wonderful? That all religions are wonderful except for
that professed by the Popes prior to Vatican II?
It does if the command was legitimate. SSPX does not view the
Pope's commands as legitimate. Why? This is a VERY slippery slope.
Not really; start studying the major Catholic theologians of the last
300 years. Everything is very well spelled out. The West excels at
critical thought, remember? That's what Catholic theologians have
been busy at for centuries.
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From: steve-b@access.digex.com (Steve Brinich)
Subject: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt
Organization: Express Access Online Communications, Greenbelt, MD USA
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NNTP-Posting-Host: access.digex.net
I suspect that the decisive element in the political battle will be the
FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) factor.
If the people who would be end users of the Cripple Chip hear of the whole
debate only vaguely -- the government says it's solid; other people in the
field say it's Swiss cheese -- the balance of doubt could shift against the
Feds. Any attempt to limit other forms of encryption could then be presented
as the government covering its own butt by protecting its poor product from
superior competition.
Comments?
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From: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca (Bill Morrow)
Subject: Amplifier into CD-ROM earphone plug ?
Nntp-Posting-Host: cns16.cns.ucalgary.ca
Organization: University of Calgary
Lines: 16
We have a Sun CD-ROM drive which I would like to play audio CD's in.
I have an old 10 watt amplifier which works fine when connected to a
junk "Walkman" style AM/FM radio. This amp ties the common path of the
earphone connection to ground.
However, it doesn't work with my Sony Walkman cassette player, or the CD drive,
it produces of loud low-frequency tone. Obviously Sony doesn't ground
the earphone output common. Does anyone have specs on the CD drive's
output? Will an audio transformer help? What are others using to
play there CD's in the Sun drive so that more than one can listen?
Thanks for the help.
--
Bill Morrow Clinical Neurosciences, University of Calgary
e-mail: morrow@cns.ucalgary.ca voice: (403) 220-6275 fax: (403) 283-8770
3330 Hospital Drive NW Calgary, Alberta, CANADA T2N 4N1
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From: aardvark@cygnus.la.locus.com (Warren Usui)
Subject: Re: The 1964 Phillies: deja vu?
Keywords: Phillies
Organization: Locus Computing Corporation, Los Angeles, California
Lines: 21
In article <ericsC5Hzr5.EuI@netcom.com> erics@netcom.com (Eric Smith) writes:
>Yeah, the Phillies played over their heads almost the whole year,
>but it all caught up to them in one 10-game streak. I *am* as old as
>1964 (man!) and I was a big Phillies fan at the time (age 13).
.
.
.
>the Dodgers or somebody else finish two games back? That has to be
>one of the closest last minute scrambles ever.
Since I was born in the late Pleistocene, I too remember 1964. That year,
the Dodgers were several games out of first and I think finished sixth in the
league. This was kind of odd because they won the World Series both the
previous year and the following year.
--
Warren Usui
I'm one with the Universe -- on a scale from 1 to 10.
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From: ptrei@bistromath.mitre.org (Peter Trei)
Subject: Re: The battle is joined
Nntp-Posting-Host: bistromath.mitre.org
Organization: The MITRE Corporation
Lines: 15
In article <C5nn9I.D5q@news.claremont.edu> ebrandt@jarthur.claremont.edu (Eli Brandt) writes:
>In article <1993Apr16.181040.9381@qualcomm.com> karn@servo.qualcomm.com (Phil Karn) writes:
>>It looks like Dorothy Denning's wrong-headed ideas have gotten to the
>>Administration even sooner than we feared.
>
>I'd lay long odds that it was the other way around. Clinton didn't
>just pull this plan out of any bodily orifices; the NSA has to have
>been working on it for years.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I first heard rumors of a similar government proposal (in Risks
Digest???) in 1987 or 1988.
Peter Trei
ptrei@mitre.org
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From: hsieh1@carson.u.washington.edu (Darrell Kirk)
Subject: For Sale: Complete Communicator card for IBM-voicemail, modem, Fax
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 8
Distribution: usa
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
Complete Communicator, latest vers.
New in box
Works in DOS or Windows
One card you get fax, voicemail and modem. Auto switch, one line handles
all fax, voicemail and modem communications
$500 new
250 dollars, and you pay shipping
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From: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Subject: Re: Dislocated Shoulder
Reply-To: geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks)
Organization: Univ. of Pittsburgh Computer Science
Lines: 19
In article <1993Apr9.181944.5353@e2big.mko.dec.com> steve@caboom.cbm.dec.com (Steve Katz) writes:
>
>Recently I managed to dislocate my shoulder while
>sking. The injury also seems to have damaged the nerves
>in my arm. I was wondering if someone could point me towards
>some literature that would give me some background into
>these types of injuries. Please respond by EMAIL if possible.
>
Your medical school library should have books on peripheral nerve
injuries. Probably it was your brachial plexus, so look that up.
--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gordon Banks N3JXP | "Skepticism is the chastity of the intellect, and
geb@cadre.dsl.pitt.edu | it is shameful to surrender it too soon."
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From: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com (Ron Phillips)
Subject: Randy Weaver Trail - Day 3
Nntp-Posting-Host: hound
Reply-To: crphilli@hound.dazixca.ingr.com
Organization: "Intergraph Electronics, Mountain View, CA"
Distribution: usa
Lines: 85
This was posted to the firearms-politics mailing list.
=============================================================
Hi Folks;
Thursday, April 15 marked Day 3 of the trial.
This day marked the first testimony of the trial. Deputy
U.S. Marshal Larry Cooper took the stand for the prosecution.
The short version is that his testimony was consistent with
the opening statements for the prosecution.
Cooper testified that he had arrived in Spokane (Washington)
on August 17, 1992 to participate in a surveillance operation
with five other deputies near the Weaver cabin. The team was
using night vision equipment for surveillance, and split up
into two teams of three people. The six later met at an
observation point above the cabin. After this, deputies
Cooper, William Degan, and Arthur Roderick began a descent to
scout further possible surveillance sites.
Cooper told the court that Roderick threw two large rocks into
a gully to see, "whether the [Weaver family] dogs would respond."
Striker, the Weaver's yellow lab, started toward them barking
loudly. Roderick led the three in a run from the area.
They ran through some dense woods into an open area [called the
"fern field"] with the dog in pursuit. By this time, Kevin
Harris and Samuel Weaver had joined the chase. The surveillance
team had reached a Y in the road: Cooper decided that they should
take cover in the woods because otherwise they would be an easy
target and might be "shot in the back."
As Degan reached the Y, he spotted Randy Weaver coming down the
road from the cabin ahead. Weaver was startled but did not fire.
At this moment, Striker reached Degan, and Cooper had to "fend
him off with his gun." [It is unclear whether this means he
clubbed the dog or shot the dog]. Both Cooper and Degan then
took cover in the woods. According to Cooper, Kevin Harris and
Samuel Weaver continued walking down the road, apparently not
noticing the two. After they had passed by on the road, Degan
got up on one knee, raised his gun, and shouted, "Stop! U.S.
Marshal!" Harris then "...brought the weapon around at hip level
and fired. He didn't bring the weapon up to eye level. I saw
Bill's arm going back, and I knew he had been hit." Cooper fired
at Harris, and Harris went down. Cooper then brought his weapon
to bear on Samuel, but did not fire. At this point, Cooper then
heard two shots to his right. Samuel Weaver looked in the
direction of the shots, yelled, "You son of a bitch!" and ran
toward them. Cooper then realized that shots were coming at him
from directly ahead, so he fired a three-round burst at the
cabin. At this point he then saw Samuel Weaver running toward
the cabin. When Cooper reached Degan, he placed his first two
fingers on Degan carotid artery, counted two or three beats, and
then his heart stopped. Shortly thereafter, Roderick and the
other three marshals joined him. They then all heard a large
burst of gunfire from the area around the cabin.
On cross-examination, David Nevin questioned the point of
throwing rocks into the gulley, asking, "You wanted to lure that
dog out so you could shoot that dog, didn't you?" Nevin also
pointed out that in last September's testimony, Cooper had
claimed that he spotted Weaver after the dog had left him.
Cooper claimed that he had gone over the events in his head and
decided that Thursday's account was correct. Nevin continued the
cross-examination by asking what Cooper would have done had an
armed man dressed in full camouflage jumped out of the woods at
him [no answer was available].
Friday, April 16 marks continued cross-examination of Cooper.
Notes: There was no coverage of protestors.
Drew
==============================================================
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* Senior Customer Engineer *
* Intergraph Electronics *
* 381 East Evelyn Avenue VOICE: (415) 691-6473 *
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From: jake@bony1.bony.com (Jake Livni)
Subject: Re: Legality of the jewish purchase
Organization: The Department of Redundancy Department
Lines: 46
In article <1993Apr21.181628.23279@news.columbia.edu> ayr1@cunixa.cc.columbia.edu (Amir Y Rosenblatt) writes:
>In article <1993Apr19.214951.19180@bnr.ca> zbib@bnr.ca writes:
>It was shafting on the part of the Arab land owners for doing it
>without notifying their tenant farmers and for not being responsible
>enough to make provisions for them, but rather just leaving
>them to their fate.
If a landlord sells an apartment building "vacant" to another landlord
and fails to notify his tenants, they just might find themselves out
on the street all of a sudden. The seller may be a scoundrel and a
crook but this doesn't make the buyer a "thief", as Israelis are so
often called here on tpm.
>>It is interesting though that you acknowledge that the
>>palestinians were shafted. Do many Israelis or Jews share
>>your opinion ? Do you absolve the purchaser from
>>any ethical commitments just because it wasn't written down?
>
>I don't know if others share this opinion. It is mine,
>and I'm sure there are some who agree and some who don't
>The way I see it, the fallahin were caught in circumstances
>beyond their control, in that since they didn't own the land,
>they didn't have a say. Of course, now for the sake of the "greater
>Arab unity" the Arabs are angry that the land was sold to the Jews
>(an act that is illegal in Jordan), but when it happened, it was just
>business.
The Arabs that lived along the coast in Western Palestine, later to be
called Israel, were shafted by their brother Arabs just as they've
been shafted for decades since then by their Arab bretheren. Somehow,
though, the Arab call has continued to blame Israel, not only for the
Syrian landowner sell-out in Western Palestine (Israel) but even for
the occupation of Eastern Palestine (Jordan) by the Hashemites. This
is just more of refusing to take blame for one's own actions.
>>infra-structure etc...). IMHO the Palestinians have grounds
>>to contest the legality of the purchase, say in world court.
If your job was eliminated in a corporate takeover, you could probably
go to court, too. You'd probably lose, though.
--
Jake Livni jake@bony1.bony.com Ten years from now, George Bush will
American-Occupied New York have replaced Jimmy Carter as the
My opinions only - employer has no opinions. standard of a failed President.
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From: mitch@unidata.ucar.edu (Mitch Baltuch)
Subject: motif based graphing package
Organization: University Corporation for Atmospheric Research (UCAR)
Distribution: na
Lines: 15
i am in need of a motif-based graphing package to integrate into a large
software package under development for distribution to universities. it
can be either public domain or commercial, although a commercial package
can't have royalties required for binary only distribution. we need 2-d
graphing capabilities at a minimum, but 3-d would be nice. any info would
be appreciated and i will summarize if there is interest.
thanks,
mitch
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Mitchell S. Baltuch Unidata Program Center
mitch@unidata.ucar.edu UCAR, PO Box 3000
303/497-8652 Boulder, CO 80307-3000
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Subject: Re: Bikes vs. Horses (was Re: insect impac
From: emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca
Distribution: world
Organization: Robert Smits
Lines: 21
cooper@mprgate.mpr.ca (Greg Cooper) writes:
> In article <1qeftj$d0i@sixgun.East.Sun.COM>, egreen@east.sun.com (Ed Green -
> >In article sda@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu, ai598@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Mike Sturde
> >>
> >> Only exceptional ones like me. Average ones like you can barely fart
> >>by themselves.
> >
> >Fuck you very much, Mike.
> >
>
> Gentlemen _please_.
> --
Greg's obviously confused. There aren't many (any) gentlemen on this
newsgroup. Well, maybe. One or two.
Robert Smits Ladysmith BC | If Lucas built weapons, wars
emd@ham.almanac.bc.ca | would never start, either.
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From: bading@cs.tu-berlin.de (Tobias 'Doping' Bading)
Subject: Re: Forcing a window manager to accept specific coordinates for a window
Organization: Technical University of Berlin, Germany
Lines: 36
Distribution: world
<C5u667.Ln8@boulder.parcplace.com> <1r5l8g$bub@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl>
NNTP-Posting-Host: athene.cs.tu-berlin.de
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
In-reply-to: rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl's message of 22 Apr 1993 10:33:20 +0200
In article <1r5l8g$bub@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl> rcb5@wsinfo03.win.tue.nl (Richard Verhoeven) writes:
Sorry, but olwm and tvtwm don't do it. They place the title at that position
and the window at a position below it.
This becomes a problem when you want a program to be able to save its current
configuration and restore is later.
Currently, my solution is:
XCreateWindow(...);
XSetWMProperties(..);
XMapWindow(...);
XFlush(...);
XMoveWindow(...);
It works with olwm, but is less than elegant. All this leaves me wondering
if I'm overlooking something obvious.
Richard.
I know that the mwm has an resource to specify if positions are to be used for
the border of a window or for the "user" window. Maybe other window managers
have similar options.
Another way to figure out the difference between the "user" window position
and the window manager decoration window position is to subtract their
positions. You just have to use XQueryTree and remember that the window manager
decorations window is the parent of your window. Unfortunately, you can only
figure out the decoration width and height after the window has been mapped
this way.
Greeting,
Tobias (bading@cs.tu-berlin.de)
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From: rlglende@netcom.com (Robert Lewis Glendenning)
Subject: Re: Estimating Wiretap Costs/Benefits
Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 61
In article <1993Apr20.203756.20667@kronos.arc.nasa.gov> hanson@kronos.arc.nasa.gov (Robin Hanson) writes:
>I'm attempting to write a serious policy paper examining whether the
>proposed wiretap (or "Clipper") chip is a cost-effective tool for
>police investigation. That is, ignoring concerns about government
>intrusions into individual privacy, is the value of easy wiretaps to
>investigators greater than the cost to the communications industry,
>and their customers, to support this wiretap technology?
>
>A rough estimate suggests that wiretaps are worth about five million
>dollars per year to U.S. law enforcement agencies. (In 1990, 872 U.S.
>wiretaps led to 2057 arrests, while total police expenditures of $28
>billion led to 11.25 million arrests [ref US Statistical Abstracts].)
>I'm working on estimating this wiretap benefit more accurately, but
>I'd like to ask hardware experts out there to help me with estimating
>the costs of the new proposed wiretap technology.
>
>Please send me quotable/citeable estimates for:
>
>- How many chips which would need to be made per year to keep all
> phones with wiretap chips?
>- How much would it cost to make each chip?
>- How much did it cost to develop this technology in the first place?
>- How much more would supporting hardware, people, etc. cost, per chip?
>- What percentage cheaper would encryption chips and support have been
> if private enterprise could compete to meet customer encryption needs?
>- What percentage of phone traffic would be taken up by the proposed
> "law enforcement blocks"?
>- What is the total cost of handling all phone traffic per year?
>
>Put another way, the question I'm asking is, what if each police
>agency that wanted a particular wiretap had to pay for it, being
>charged their share of the full social cost of forcing communication
>to be wiretap compatible? Would they choose to buy such wiretaps, or
>would they find it more cost-effective to instead investigate crimes
>in other ways?
>--
>Robin Hanson hanson@ptolemy.arc.nasa.gov
>415-604-3361 MS-269-2, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, CA 94035
>510-651-7483 47164 Male Terrace, Fremont, CA 94539-7921
First, what the fuck is NASA doing wasting my tax dollars doing
policy papers on stuff far outside of their purvew/mission?
Second, this isn't a problem of economics. This is a problem of
the incremental accumulation of police-state powers by our government.
How, exactly, do you put a price on the loss of freedom of a society?
Maybe use the dollars/life lost calculations for the extra people
killed by the gov. The pain and suffering cases for those tortured.
The dollars/life lost caused by the inevitable collapse of the economy,
and all the secondary effects of diseases, diet, etc. Plus, the
inevitable collapse of the economy as the gov controls it, becomes
corrupt, etc.
Do us a favor. Resign rather than right this paper for NASA. Go
do useful work for the society.
lew
--
Lew Glendenning rlglende@netcom.com
"Perspective is worth 80 IQ points." Niels Bohr (or somebody like that).
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From: acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu
Subject: Fenway Gif
Reply-To: acsddc@smucs1.umassd.edu
Organization: UMASS DARTMOUTH, NO. DARTMOUTH, MA.
Lines: 5
I was wondering if anyone had any kind of Fenway Park gif.
I would appreciate it if someone could send me one.
Thanks in advance.
-Dan
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From: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx)
Subject: Re: Cobra Locks
Reply-To: sproulx@bmtlh204.BNR.CA (Stephane Proulx)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research Ltd.
Lines: 105
You may find it useful.
(This is a repost. The original sender is at the bottom.)
-------------------cut here--------------------------------------------------
Article 39994 of rec.motorcycles:
Path:
scrumpy!bnrgate!corpgate!news.utdallas.edu!hermes.chpc.utexas.edu!cs.ute
exas.edu!swrinde!mips!pacbell.com!iggy.GW.Vitalink.COM!widener!eff!ibmpc
cug!pipex!unipalm!uknet!cf-cm!cybaswan!eeharvey
From: eeharvey@cybaswan.UUCP (i t harvey)
Newsgroups: rec.motorcycles
Subject: Re: Best way to lock a bike ?
Message-ID: <861@cybaswan.UUCP>
Date: 15 Jul 92 09:47:10 GMT
References: <1992Jul14.165538.9789@usenet.ins.cwru.edu>
Lines: 84
These are the figures from the Performance Bikes lock test, taken without
permission of course. The price is for comparison. All the cable locks
have some sort of armour, the chain locks are padlock and chain. Each
lock was tested for a maximum of ten minutes (600 secs) for each test:
BJ Bottle jack
CD Cutting disc
BC Bolt croppers
GAS Gas flame
The table should really be split into immoblisers (for-a-while) and
lock-to-somethings (for-a-short-while) to make comparisons.
Type Weight BJ CD BC GAS Total Price
(kg) (sec) (sec) (sec) (sec) (sec) (Pounds)
========================================================================
=========
3-arm Folding .8 53 5 13 18 89 26
Cyclelok bar
Abus Steel-o- Cable 1.4 103 4 20 26 153 54
flex
Oxford Cable 2.0 360 4 32 82 478 38
Revolver
Abus Diskus Chain 2.8 600 7 40 26 675 77
6-arm Folding 1.8 44 10 600 22 676 51
Cyclelok bar
Abus Extra U-lock 1.2 600 10 120 52 782 44
Cobra Cable 6.0(!) 382 10 600 22 1014 150
(6ft)
Abus closed Chain 4.0 600 11 600 33 1244 100
shackle
Kryptonite U-lock 2.5 600 22 600 27 1249 100
K10
Oxford U-lock 2.0 600 7 600 49 1256 38
Magnum
Disclock Disc .7 n/a 44 n/a 38 1282 43
lock
Abus 58HB U-lock 2.5 600 26 600 64 1290 100
Mini Block Disc .65 n/a 51 n/a 84 1335 50
lock
========================================================================
=========
Pretty depressing reading. I think a good lock and some common sense about
where and when you park your bike is the only answer. I've spent all my
spare time over the last two weeks landscaping (trashing) the garden of
my (and two friends with bikes) new house to accommodate our three bikes in
relative security (never underestimate how much room a bike requires to
manouver in a walled area :( ). Anyway, since the weekend there are only two
bikes :( and no, he didn't use his Abus closed shackle lock, it was too much
hassle to take with him when visiting his parents. A minimum wait of 8
weeks (if they don't decide to investigate) for the insurance company
to make an offer and for the real haggling to begin.
Abus are a German company and it would seem not well represented in the US
but very common in the UK. The UK distributor, given in the above article
is:
Michael Brandon Ltd,
15/17 Oliver Crescent,
Hawick,
Roxburgh TD9 9BJ.
Tel. 0450 73333
The UK distributors for the other locks can also given if required.
Don't lose it
Ian
--
_______________________________________________________________________
Ian Harvey, University College Swansea Too old to rock'n'roll
eeharvey@uk.ac.swan.pyr Too young to die
'79 GS750E
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: Yet more Rushdie [Re: ISLAMIC LAW]
Organization: sgi
Lines: 28
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <1993Apr3.100039.15879@monu6.cc.monash.edu.au>, darice@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au (Fred Rice) writes:
|> In <1p8ivt$cfj@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|>
|> >Should we British go around blowing up skyscrapers next?
|>
|> I don't know if you are doing so, but it seems you are implying
|> (1) that the person accused of blowing up the WTC in NY actually did it,
|> and
|> (2) that Islamic teachings have something to do with blowing up the WTC.
I was replying to a person who attempted to justify the fatwa
against Rushdie on the grounds that his work was intentionally
insulting.
I think that to take a single sentence from a fairly long
posting, and to say
"I don't know if you are doing so, but it
seems you are implying....."
is at the very best quite disingenuous, and perhaps even
dishonest. If anyone care to dig back and read the full
posting, they will see nothing of the kind.
I trust you don't deny that Islamic teaching has "something
to do" with the fatwa against Rushdie?
jon.
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From: b.liddicott@ic.ac.uk
Subject: Re: He has risen!
Organization: Imperial College Parapsychology Group
Lines: 8
NNTP-Posting-Host: cs.utexas.edu
Just to remark that I have heard that David Koresh has risen from
the dead. I dont know if it is true or not, but this is what I have
been told. What do you guys think?
Ben L.
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From: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu (Ashok Aiyar)
Subject: Re: WinQVT/Net V3.4?
Article-I.D.: biochemi.ashok.661.0
Distribution: usa
Organization: CWRU School of Medicine
Lines: 19
NNTP-Posting-Host: axa12-slip.dialin.cwru.edu
In article <354@lorien.OCF.LLNL.GOV> dave@angmar.llnl.gov (Dave Fuess) writes:
>An earlier article in this newsgroup made reference to
>WinQVT/Net version 3.4. Realy? Where? I tried archie
>with no luck. It's probably just a typo.
Not a typo. It was uploaded to ftp.cica.indiana.edu a couple days back.
>But I sure would like to get one if it's real as I too
>have a printer problem in WinQVT.
Version 3.4 uses standard Windows printer drivers.
Ashok
--
Ashok Aiyar Mail: ashok@biochemistry.cwru.edu
Department of Biochemistry Tel: (216) 368-3300
CWRU School of Medicine, Cleveland, Ohio Fax: (216) 368-4544
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From: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
Subject: Re: Would "clipper" make a good cover for other encryption method?
Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation - Herndon, VA USA
Lines: 44
Distribution: world
Reply-To: amanda@intercon.com (Amanda Walker)
NNTP-Posting-Host: chaos.intercon.com
X-Newsreader: InterCon TCP/Connect II 1.1
bontchev@fbihh.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (Vesselin Bontchev) writes:
> If there are many as..., er, people in the USA who reason like the
> above, then it should not be surprising that the current plot has been
> allowed to happen...
The willingness of the majority of the people to give up their freedom in
exchange for a sense of safety is hardly limited to the USA, and is an
endemic problem in any human society of any appreciable size. The structure
of the US government does try to combat this tendency to some extent, but
fighting entropy is always a losing battle. Most people would rather have
comfort than freedom. The paradox is that you can't really have the former,
in the long term, unless you have the latter.
One of the reasons that I probably come across to some people as a weird
cross between a libertarian and an "establishment tool" is that I end up
taking an utterly pragmatic view of government. I don't get up in arms when
the government fails to protect the interests of the people, because in my
lifetime it never has--therefore, I have no expectation that it will.
As a result, I protect my own interests rather than expecting the government
to be "fair". I will use strong cryptography when I think it is needed,
whether or not it is legal at the time. Same thing with anything else the
government would rather not see in private hands--that's their problem.
What's important to me is using the right tool for the job. If it's legal,
so much the better. If it is not, but does not violate my (very strong)
sense of personal ethics, I will use it anyway as long I think it is worth
it. Expecting the government to actually protect the interests of its
citizens, except by accident, is utter folly. Even Jefferson, one of the
major architects of the American system of government, figured that in a
couple hundred years it would become so corrupt and self-serving that it
would be time dismantle it and try again, by revolution if necessary. I
agree, and while I don't go around trying to spark one, I'll certainly
participate if it happens when I'm around. There is a reason I am such a
strong supporter of individual rights while being so cynical about politics.
I've already written off politics.
And yes, this may get me in trouble some day. If so, so be it. I drive
faster than 55 MPH, too.
Amanda Walker
InterCon Systems Corporation
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From: loh@fraser.sfu.ca (Keith Meng-Wei Loh)
Subject: Re: Hockey and the Hispanic community
Organization: Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, B.C., Canada
Lines: 27
rickc@wrigley.corp.sgi.com (Richard Casares) writes:
>In article <115331@bu.edu>, icop@csa.bu.edu (Antonio Pera) writes:
>|>
>|> The presence of the new team in Miami(I can't say South Florida;
>|> it's too long) makes me think of an interesting question. Can you sell
>|> the Hispanic community on Hockey? Miami is 60-70% Hispanic. This
>|> community
>|> has no experience and no previous exposure to Hockey that I know of.
>|> The
>|> teams in NY and LA which also have big Hispanic groups do not seem to
>|> try
>|> to woo this group. What will Miami do? Could they get Spanish-language
>|> tv and radio coverage?
>|>
>You'll have a hard time selling any sport to a community that
>can't play it on account of availability or financial reasons.
>Hockey is pretty much a sport for the white and well off.
Well, suffice to say that it is a sport for those able to make the
substantial investment in equipment, etc. But here's something, do
you think that the availability of in-line skates and road hockey
could contribute to a rise in awareness of ice hockey? I would
argue this is having an effect here. Kids play ice hockey in the
winter and road hockey in the summer with in-line skates.
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From: MJMUISE@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca (Mike Muise)
Subject: Re: Drinking and Riding
Lines: 19
Organization: Waterloo Engineering
In article <C4wKBp.B9w@eskimo.com>, maven@eskimo.com (Norman Hamer) writes:
> What is a general rule of thumb for sobriety and cycling? Couple hours
> after you "feel" sober? What? Or should I just work with "If I drink
> tonight, I don't ride until tomorrow"?
1 hr/drink for the first 4 drinks.
1.5 hours/drink for the next 6 drinks.
2 hours/drink for the rest.
These are fairly cautious guidelines, and will work even if you happen to
have a low tolerance or body mass.
I think the cops and "Don't You Dare Drink & Drive" (tm) commercials will
usually say 1hr/drink in general, but after about 5 drinks and 5 hrs, you
could very well be over the legal limit.
Watch yourself.
-Mike
________________________________________________
/ Mike Muise / mjmuise@1302.watstar.uwaterloo.ca \ no quotes, no jokes,
\ Electrical Engineering, University of Waterloo / no disclaimer, no fear.
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From: hsteve@carina.unm.edu ()
Subject: XTranslateCoord. Problem
Organization: University of New Mexico, Albuquerque
Lines: 13
NNTP-Posting-Host: carina.unm.edu
It seems like XTranslateCoord. doesn't work the way I expecting it. Right
after performs a XMoveWindow, I want to know the absolute window position
with respect to the root window. To get this info. I do a XTranslateCoordinates
but the abs_x, and abs_y aren't right? Does anybody know of a way to find
out this information?
Thanks, please e-mail to hsteve@carina.unm.edu if it's possible
--
_---_ Steve
/ o o \ hsteve@hydra.unm.edu, hsteve@carina.unm.edu
| \___/ |
Just say NO to VMS!!
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From: scot@jlc.mv.com (Scot Salmon)
Subject: NuTek Email?
Organization: John Leslie Consulting, Milford NH
Lines: 9
Does NuTek (or anyone at NuTek) have an email address?
If not, why not? =)
--
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Good Things: Books by Robert Heinlein, Music by Enya, Computers by Apple,
Humor by Dave Barry, Thursday nights on NBC, and Scotland.
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scot Salmon (scot@jlc.mv.com) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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From: dlneal@apgea.army.mil (Dennis L. Neal <dlneal>)
Subject: AMIGA Software For Sale!!
Organization: Edgewood
Lines: 22
Nntp-Posting-Host: cbda9.apgea.army.mil
I have the following Amiga software for sale:
ProVideo GOLD $50
AmigaVision $25
B.E.S.T. Plan It! $10
spreadsheet
(still in shrinkwrap)
SuperBack $10
(hard drive backup)
Certificate Maker $10
Add s&h to the above and its yours...email me at the address listed below:
thanx,
-Dennis L. Neal dlneal@cbda9.apgea.army.mil
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From: jca2@cec1.wustl.edu (Joseph Charles Achkar)
Subject: Re: Numerical Nothingness
Nntp-Posting-Host: cec1
Organization: Washington University, St. Louis MO
Lines: 38
In article <1993Apr18.140401.18439@freenet.carleton.ca> ad684@Freenet.carleton.ca (Bob Wilson) writes:
>
>Mario averaged 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666
>points per game ... the Antigretz
Gretzky averaged 2.69 pts/game
>Mario projected over 80 games.
>213 points (beats Wayne's record by 1)
Check your information before posting, Gretzky's record is 215 pts in 80 games.
>Over 84 games 97 g + 127 a = 224 points.
>
Over 84 games, Gretzky's total projected 226 points.
>Pitt's winning percentage with Mario (45-10-5) over 84 games
>-> 133 points. Would this have been a record?
>I know Mtl had 132 one year.
The 76-77 Canadiens had .825 percentage, 132 pts in 80 games. (60-8-12).
The 29-30 Bruins had a .875 winning percentage.
Also the 77-78 Canadiens had a .806 percentage with a 59-10-11 record.
>Bob Wilson
>ad684@freenet.carleton.ca
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% \ \_)____________/ A L L E Z L E S B L U E S ! ! ! *
* \ __________/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ %
% \ ________/ *
* \ _______/ Joe Ashkar %
% \ \ Contact for the Blues *
* \ \ SAINT LOUIS jca2@cec1.wustl.edu %
% (___) BLUES *
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From: caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX)
Subject: Re: My New Diet --> IT WORKS GREAT !!!!
Organization: Omen Technology INC, Portland Rain Forest
Lines: 29
In article <1r3ks8INNica@lynx.unm.edu> bhjelle@carina.unm.edu () writes:
>In article <1993Apr21.091844.4035@omen.UUCP> caf@omen.UUCP (Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX) writes:
>>In article <19687@pitt.UUCP> geb@cs.pitt.edu (Gordon Banks) writes:
>>>
>>>Can you provide a reference to substantiate that gaining back
>>>the lost weight does not constitute "weight rebound" until it
>>>exceeds the starting weight? Or is this oral tradition that
>>>is shared only among you obesity researchers?
>>
>>Not one, but two:
>>
>>Obesity in Europe 88,
>>proceedings of the 1st European Congress on Obesity
>>
>>Annals of NY Acad. Sci. 1987
>>
>Hmmm. These don't look like references to me. Is passive-aggressive
>behavior associated with weight rebound? :-)
>
>Brian
I purposefully left off the page numbers to encourage the reader to
study the volumes mentioned, and benefit therefrom.
--
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX ...!tektronix!reed!omen!caf
Author of YMODEM, ZMODEM, Professional-YAM, ZCOMM, and DSZ
Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"
17505-V NW Sauvie IS RD Portland OR 97231 503-621-3406
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From: kevinh@hslrswi.hasler.ascom.ch (kevinh)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Originator: kevinh@nath
Reply-To: kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
Organization: Ascom Hasler AG
Lines: 20
In article <C5H7qz.KyA@boi.hp.com>, wesf@boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) writes:
|> Brian LaRose (larose@austin.cs.utk.edu) wrote:
|>
|> : I never saw the guy. The police said they thought the motive was to
|> : hit the car, have us STOP to check out the damage, and then JUMP US,
|> : and take the truck.
|> :
|> : PLEASE BE AWARE OF FOLKS. AND FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, PLEASE DON'T STOP!!!!
|>
|> Sad. This sort of thing is on the rise across the country. South Florida
|> is getting a lot of national TV coverage on the subject where vacationers
|> are being attacked (and some killed) in schemes similar to this.
Make that worldwide coverage. I know numerous people who were planning
holidays to the Florida, and have now chosen another (non-US)
destination. You expect this sort of thing, perhaps, in third world
countries - but not the US!
kevinh@hasler.ascom.ch
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From: jk87377@lehtori.cc.tut.fi (Kouhia Juhana)
Subject: Re: More gray levels out of the screen
Organization: Tampere University of Technology
Lines: 21
Distribution: inet
NNTP-Posting-Host: cc.tut.fi
In article <1993Apr6.011605.909@cis.uab.edu> sloan@cis.uab.edu
(Kenneth Sloan) writes:
>
>Why didn't you create 8 grey-level images, and display them for
>1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128... time slices?
By '8 grey level images' you mean 8 items of 1bit images?
It does work(!), but it doesn't work if you have more than 1bit
in your screen and if the screen intensity is non-linear.
With 2 bit per pixel; there could be 1*c_1 + 4*c_2 timing,
this gives 16 levels, but they are linear if screen intensity is
linear.
With 1*c_1 + 2*c_2 it works, but we have to find the best
compinations -- there's 10 levels, but 16 choises; best 10 must be
chosen. Different compinations for the same level, varies a bit, but
the levels keeps their order.
Readers should verify what I wrote... :-)
Juhana Kouhia
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From: Mark-Tarbell@suite.com
Subject: Switch-mode power supply
Organization: Suite Software
Lines: 17
Reply-To: suite!tarbell@uunet.uu.net
NNTP-Posting-Host: gilgamesh.suite.com
Is there a typical component or set of components
that are at fault when a switch mode power supply
goes south?
The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints
would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Mark-Tarbell@suite.com
at fault when a switch mode power supply
goes south?
The supply is for a disk drive. Any general hints
would be appreciated!
Thanks!
Mark-Tarbell@s$$BVh(J
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From: mark@ardsley.business.uwo.ca (Mark Bramwell)
Subject: Re: Cellular Phone (Portable) for sale
Organization: Western Business School
Distribution: usa
Summary: Takes longer than 24 hours
Nntp-Posting-Host: home-pc1.business.uwo.ca
Lines: 19
>
>I hope you realize that for a cellular phone, you need to subscribe to a
>Cellular carrier, and it usually takes at least one working day before
>the service is available to you. Only then you can find out whether
>the phone is working.
>
>Tin
>
Not true. Dial 811 and listen to the recording. If you get it, then your
phone was recognized by the network. You wouldn't be able to dial a real
number yet (of course!)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Mark Bramwell, VE3PZR Located in sunny London, Ontario
Internet: Mark@ARDSLEY.business.uwo.ca IP Address: 129.100.29.33
Packet: VE3PZR @ VE3GYQ UWO Phone: (519) 661-3714
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From: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Daniel M. Coleman)
Subject: Re: pc-junior usable?
Organization: The University of Texas at Austin, Austin, Texas
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NNTP-Posting-Host: flubber.cc.utexas.edu
In article <1993Apr17.201300.19312@sernews.raleigh.ibm.com> europa@tomcat.raleigh.ibm.com (Welch Bryan) writes:
>My fiance has a pc-junior and wants to upgrade to a full 386. Does anyone
>know if we could use the monitor it came with on a new machine? I heard
>it's MCGA or EGA, but not sure which. Also, does it use cards, so we can
>use the drive controller, floppy, etc?
The only things you'll be able to salvage from the junior are the floppy drives
and monitor. The floppies are 360k, and the monitor is CGA, but you will need
an adaptor cable to use it. The junior does not use standard cards. Unless
you're really strapped for cash, you should just junk the thing and buy new
stuff.
Dan
--
Daniel Matthew Coleman | Internet: dcoleman@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu
-----------------------------------+---------- : dcoleman@utxvms.cc.utexas.edu
The University of Texas at Austin | DECnet: UTXVMS::DCOLEMAN
Electrical/Computer Engineering | BITNET: DCOLEMAN@UTXVMS [.BITNET]
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From: wb8foz@skybridge.SCL.CWRU.Edu (David Lesher)
Subject: Re: History question
Organization: NRK Clinic for habitual NetNews abusers - Beltway Annex
Lines: 24
Reply-To: wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu (David Lesher)
NNTP-Posting-Host: skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
Others said:
{early PA?}
# I recall reading of a phonograph which used mechanical amplification.
# Compressed air was squirted out of a valve which was controlled by the
# pickup. The result was noisy and distinctly lo-fi, but much louder
# than a conventional phonograph. It tended to wear the disks out
# pretty quickly though.
An now-deceased prof told us willing students about a project he had
worked on during WWII.
They needed a mega-power PA with very clear audio quality. The purpose
was to bellow at refugees from aircraft.
Their solution was a giant compressed-air source, and a horn with
parallel shutters worked by a small audio system. I think he said it
worked very well, thus the War Dept. cancelled the project ;_}.
--
A host is a host from coast to coast..wb8foz@skybridge.scl.cwru.edu
& no one will talk to a host that's close............(301) 56-LINUX
Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433
is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433
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From: mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington)
Subject: 'Easter' not derived from 'Ishtar'
Organization: AI Programs, University of Georgia, Athens
Lines: 22
Several recent posts have identified the English word 'Easter' with
the Babylonian goddess 'Ishtar'.
'Easter' is a pagan word all right, but it has nothing to do with Ishtar.
If 'Easter' and 'Ishtar' were related, their history would show it.
But in Old English, Easter was 'Eostre', cognate with English 'East'
and German 'Ost'. The reconstructed Proto-Germanic form is 'Austron'.
Not until after 1400 did 'Easter' have a high front vowel like 'Ishtar'.
Clearly, the two words have quite separate origins.
There may be neo-pagans who worship Ishtar at Easter, but if so, they
are making either a mistake of etymology, or a deliberate play on words.
-- Michael Covington (Ph.D., linguistics)
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:- Artificial Intelligence Programs mcovingt@ai.uga.edu : *********
:- The University of Georgia phone 706 542-0358 : * * *
:- Athens, Georgia 30602-7415 U.S.A. amateur radio N4TMI : ** *** ** <><
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From: babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com (Scott Babb)
Subject: Re: Radar detector DETECTORS?
Organization: Lockheed Sanders
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL9]
Distribution: na
Lines: 24
Brian Day (bday@lambda.msfc.nasa.gov) wrote:
: On December 29, 1992, it was illegal to operate a radar detector
: in the state of Virginia. If one got caught, one got fined $65.00.
: Ask me how I know.
The Federal Communications Act of 1934 made it *legal* for you to
operate a radio receiver of any kind, on any frequency (including
X, K, and Ka bands) in the United States. The Electronic
Communications Privacy Act of 1989(?) restricted the FCA of 1934
by making it illegal to receive the land-mobile telephone service,
including (I believe) cellular phones. No restriction was placed
on receiving RADAR (or, curiously, cordless phones.) Enforcement
of the Virginia law is in violation of the FCA of 1934. If you have
lots of time and money (and a lawyer, which I'm *not*,) you can
argue this in a federal court and try to have the law overturned.
I can hardly wait to see the responses to this one, but somebody
had to say it...
--
Lockheed Sanders may disagree so these are solely the opinions of:
Scott L. Babb - babb@rapnet.sanders.lockheed.com
"We didn't inherit the Earth from our parents,
we are borrowing it from our children."
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From: abou@dam.cee.clarkson.edu
Subject: Re: computer books for sale (UPDATED LIST)
Article-I.D.: news.1993Apr6.013433.16103
Organization: Clarkson University
Lines: 76
Nntp-Posting-Host: dam.cee.clarkson.edu
UPDATED LIST
Hi everybody
I have the following books for sale. Some of these books are brand new.
If you find any book you like and need more information about it, please
feel free to send me an E-Mail. The buyers pays the shipping fees.
Thanks.
abou@sun.soe.clarkson.edu
========================================================================
TITLE : Windows Programming: An Introduction
AUTHOR : William H. Murray, III & Chris H. Pappas
PUBLISH.: Osborne McGraw-Hill
pp. : 650
COVER : Soft
NOTE : Covers up to Windows 3.0
ASKING : $15
======================================================================
TITLE : Harvard Graphics: The Complete Reference
AUTHOR : Cary Jensen & Loy Anderson
PUBLISH.: Osborne McGraw-Hill
pp. : 1073
COVER : Soft
NOTE : Covers Releases Through 2.3 & Draw Partner
ASKING : $15
=======================================================================
TITLE : High Performance Interactive Graphics: Modeling, Rendering,
and Animating
AUTHOR : Lee Adams
PUBLISH.:Windcrest
pp. : 402
COVER : Soft
NOTE : Full of examples programs in BASIC
ASKING :$15
========================================================================
TITLE : Science and Engineering Applications on the IBM PC
AUTHOR : R. Severin
PUBLISH.: Abacus
pp. : 262
COVER : Soft
NOTE : A lot of Examples in BASIC
ASKING :$ 10
=========================================================================
TITLE : Graphics for the Dot-Matrix Printer: How to Get Your Printer
to Perform Miracles
AUTHOR : John W. Davenport
PUBLISH.: Simon & Schuster
pp. : 461
COVER : Soft
NOTE : Full of examples Programs in BASIC
ASKING : $10
==========================================================================
TITLE : Programming With TURBO C
AUTHOR : S. Scott Zimmerman & Beverly B. Zimmerman
PUBLISH.: Scott, Foresman and Co.
pp. : 637
COVER : Soft
NOTE : Some of the pages are highlighted
ASKING : $10
==========================================================================
TITLE : Introduction to Computer Graphics
AUTHOR : John Demel & Michael Miller
PUBLISH.: Brooks/Cole Engineering Division
pp. : 427
COVER : Soft
NOTE : Example Programs in BASIC and Fortran
ASKING : $10
==========================================================================
TITLE : Hard Disk Mangement: The Pocket Reference
AUTHOR : Kris Jamsa
PUBLISH.: Osborne McGraw-Hill
pp. : 128
COVER : Soft
NOTE : Pocket Size
ASKING : $ 4
==========================================================================
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From: mor@expo.lcs.mit.edu (Ralph Mor)
Subject: Re: Tom Gaskins Pexlib vs Phigs Programming Manuals (O'Reilly)
Organization: X Consortium, MIT Laboratory for Computer Science
Lines: 49
merlin@neuro.usc.edu (merlin) writes:
>Could someone explain the difference between Tom Gaskins' two books:
> o PEXLIB Programming Manual
> o PHIGS Programming Manual
>Why would I want to buy one book vs the other book? I have an 80386
>running SCO UNIX (X11R4) on my desktop, a SUN IV/360 in my lab, and
>access to a variety of other systems (Alliant FX/2800, Cray Y/MP) on
>the network. Mostly, we would like to do 3D modeling/visualization
>of rat, rabbit, monkey, and human brain structure.
Rather than decide which book you want to buy, you need to decide which
programming interface you want to use, then buy the appropriate book.
I wrote an article for the X Resource which discusses the differences
between PHIGS and PEXlib (it will appear in Issue 6 which should be out
pretty soon). But here's a brief summary...
PHIGS is a graphics API which was designed to be portable to many
devices. Most implementations support the X Window System and take
advantage of a 3D extension to X called "PEX". PEXlib is a slightly
"lower" level API which was designed to efficiently support the PEX
extension to X.
Some advantages of using PEXlib...
- Integrates with Xlib,Xt,Motif,etc. better than PHIGS
- Provides immediate mode capabilities
- Is free of "policy"
- PEX supports PHIGS, but is currently being extended to support
features not found in PHIGS (like texture mapping, anti-aliasing).
PEXlib will give you access to all of these features.
Some advantages of using PHIGS...
- Support for multiple devices, not just X based ones
- Support for archiving, metafiles, hardcopy output
- PHIGS has predefined input devices to make input easier
- PHIGS can handle exposure events and resizing for you
- PHIGS can help you with colormap selection/creation.
If you're working strictly in X and don't care about things like
archiving, I would go with PEXlib. Either way, you will find that
both API's have a lot in common.
Ralph Mor
MIT X Consortium
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From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
Subject: Re: I thought commercial Advertising was Not allowed
Distribution: na
News-Software: IBM OS/2 PM RN (NR/2) v0.17i by O. Vishnepolsky and R. Rogers
Lines: 35
Reply-To: margoli@watson.IBM.com (Larry Margolis)
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM.
Nntp-Posting-Host: netslip63.watson.ibm.com
Organization: The Village Waterbed
In <C50sMA.3GK@voder.nsc.com> matt@galaxy.nsc.com (Matt Freivald x8043) writes:
>In article 164871 in talk.politics.misc, margoli@watson.ibm.com
>(Larry Margolis) writes:
>
>>>I would suggest that legal precedent defines a human being (i.e., a person
>>>whose rights are protected by the Constitution and the law) as someone with
>>>a functioning brain.
>
>>No, if you want to use legal precedent, you should take a look at the
>>Model Penal Code, on which many states base their criminal code:
>
>My apologies if I was unclear; I was not trying to start a statutory
>debate, since there are many (in some cases conflicting) statutes on
>the books. I was merely suggesting a paradigm that might make sense
>for a pro-choicer IMHO.
And I was pointing out that legal precedent defines a human being as
referring only to the born, so your suggestion was incorrect.
>>>If at some point an unborn child is a human being, the parents clearly
>>>have the same responsibilities toward her as any other parents have toward
>>>their children.
>
>>And no parent can be forced to supply bodily resources toward their children,
>>even if necessary to save the child's life.
>
>There is a confusion here between action and inaction: a parent does not have
>to run out in front of a bus to save their child's life either, but a parent
>IS required to feed his children.
There is a confusion here about what "bodily resources" constitutes. Blood
transfusions and organ donations involve bodily resources; your examples
do not.
--
Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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From: caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu (CARY DAVID ALLEN)
Subject: Self-modifying hardware
Organization: Oklahoma State University, Computer Science, Stillwater
Lines: 70
Permit me to quote fragments of
praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca's article
out of context.
-Newsgroups: sci.electronics,comp.lsi.cad
-From: praetzel@sunee.uwaterloo.ca (Eric Praetzel)
-Date: 10 Feb 93 15:46:41 GMT
- Currently the XNF format is propierty and I know of at least on person at
-a university who was able to get it after signing a non-disclosure agreement.
-The Xilinx-bit map format is pretty well top secret. I would love to know it
-because then you could make self_modifying_hardware ;-) As it is I had to
-reverse eng. the Xilinx tools to dump the bit map to the FPGA because it only
-runs on the computer with the hardware key.
self-modifying hardware could be *very* interesting --
computers that could write thier own programs (assemblers, compilers)
were an immense breakthrough from calculators that couldn't.
- I eagerly await a programmable gate array which uses a PD format and does
-not cost your first born to program. Till then we will keep on reverse
-engineering whatever we can. As it is one company that I worked at has gone
-under. FPGAs are what they needed to make their product competitive. They
-could not afford them. In the end you could say that they could not afford
-to not use them but the management discovered that too late.
- - Eric
my condolences.
i can't even imagine what i could do with self-modifing hardware.
i *can* imagine self-modifying software,
and even though *all* my teachers say that's BAD, even Worse than GOTO,
check out what the experts *used* to say about self-modifying code:
(he uses "orders" rather than "opcodes")
"On the Principles of Large Scale Computing Machines"
by Goldstine and von Neumann,
collected in
_John von Neumann: Collected Works, Vol. V_
reprinted here with absolutely no permission from anyone.
"We plan... to have a full size (40 binary digit) word hold
either contain
1 full size number (... equivalent to 12 decimal digits,
but we will use the first binary digit to denote the sign)
or two (20 binary digit) orders.
....
It should be added that this technique of
automatic substitutions into orders,
i.e. the machine's ability to modify its own orders
(under the control of other ones among its orders)
is absolutely necessary for a flexible code. Thus, if
part of the memory is used as a "function table", then
"looking up" a value of that function for a value of the
variable which is obtained in the course of the computation
requires that the machine itself should modify, or
rather make up, the reference to the memory in the order which
controls this "looking up", and the machine can only make this
modification after it has already calculated the value of the
variable in question.
On the other hand, this ability of the machine to modify its
own orders is one of the things which makes coding
the non-trivial operation which we have to view it as."
david cary, tenor, e- and comp. engineering (finger caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu).
227 S. 163 E. Ave, Tulsa, OK 74108-3310, USA, Sol 3, Universe v. 1.2
--
david cary, tenor, e- and comp. engineering (finger caryd@a.cs.okstate.edu).
227 S. 163 E. Ave, Tulsa, OK 74108-3310, USA, Sol 3, Universe v. 1.2
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From: whit@carson.u.washington.edu (John Whitmore)
Subject: Re: Help with ultra-long timing
Article-I.D.: shelley.1pr91aINNikg
Distribution: world
Organization: University of Washington, Seattle
Lines: 25
NNTP-Posting-Host: carson.u.washington.edu
In article <1pqu12$pmu@sunb.ocs.mq.edu.au> johnh@macadam.mpce.mq.edu.au (John Haddy) writes:
>In article <C513wI.G5A@athena.cs.uga.edu>, mcovingt@aisun3.ai.uga.edu (Michael Covington) writes:
>|> (1) Don't use big capacitors. They are unreliable for timing due to
>|> leakage.
True (especially for electrolytic capacitors at high temperature).
>|> Instead, use a quartz crystal and divide its frequency by 2 40 times
>|> or something like that.
>... Wouldn't a crystal be affected by cold? My gut feeling is that, as a
>mechanically resonating device, extreme cold is likely to affect the
>compliance (?terminology?) of the quartz, and hence its resonant frequency.
Low power quartz oscillators are usually 32 kHz (and THESE
have significant temperature drifts, which one doesn't often notice
while wearing the watch on one's wrist). Low temperature sensitivity
is available in other crystal types, which unfortunately
are larger and higher frequency (1 MHz or so) and take more
battery power.
Programmable timers might be less accurate, but they
are more power-stingy than suitable crystal oscillators.
John Whitmore
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From: dyer@spdcc.com (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: Analgesics with Diuretics
Organization: S.P. Dyer Computer Consulting, Cambridge MA
In article <ofk=lve00WB2AvUktO@andrew.cmu.edu> Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>I sometimes see OTC preparations for muscle aches/back aches that
>combine aspirin with a diuretic.
You certainly do not see OTC preparations advertised as such.
The only such ridiculous concoctions are nostrums for premenstrual
syndrome, ostensibly to treat headache and "bloating" simultaneously.
They're worthless.
>The idea seems to be to reduce
>inflammation by getting rid of fluid. Does this actually work?
That's not the idea, and no, they don't work.
--
Steve Dyer
dyer@ursa-major.spdcc.com aka {ima,harvard,rayssd,linus,m2c}!spdcc!dyer
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From: wilbanks@spot.Colorado.EDU (Kokopeli)
Subject: Re: Old Predictions to laugh at...
Nntp-Posting-Host: spot.colorado.edu
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Lines: 35
tedward@cs.cornell.edu (Edward [Ted] Fischer) writes:
>From jpalmer@uwovax.uwo.ca Thu Sep 12 10:35:58 1991
>>
>>Ron Hassey will be a minor league manager with the Yankees.
>Dunno what happened to him.
Maybe I can help you. He's a major league coach with the Rockies.
So above prediction is doubly wrong.
My prediction: The Red Sox-Cubs Series and Vikings-Broncos SuperBore will
occur at the end of the world.
And one Rockie will finish in the top 10 of an offensive catagory this
year.
And no Rockie starter will have an ERA below 3.50.
And the Rangers fade will not begin until...August. They'll give way
to the Angels. But still challenge to the end.
Really. Not making any of this up. If I am, may God strike me down *ZZZZZZT*
>------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>Thanks for listening!
>-Valentine
--
Dylan Wilbanks, Environ. Con : The official USENET rabid fan of the
major, U of Colorado, Boulder: Colorado Rockies. Clip this .sig for
PO Box 1143, Boulder, CO : 20% off on your next Rockies woof!!!
80306-1143. Life is bigger. : (this space intenionally blank)
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From: lioness@maple.circa.ufl.edu
Subject: More Adaptec 1542B problems
Organization: Center for Instructional and Research Computing Activities
Lines: 25
Reply-To: LIONESS@ufcc.ufl.edu
NNTP-Posting-Host: maple.circa.ufl.edu
Okay, here is my configuration:
80486-33 Gateway 433C Micronics ISA
12MB RAM
WD212MB IDE HD ( drive C: )
ST3144A 125MB IDE HD ( drive D: )
Adaptec SCSI 1542B controller, with SCSI BIOS enabled
Seagate ST296N 80MB SCSI drive
Alrighty, when I boot up I get the Adaptec BIOS message, but it says
something like:
"Drive C: installed"
"Drive D: installed"
"ADaptec SCSI BIOS not installed!"
And I can't get to the Seagate drive.
I go into PhoenixBIOS setup, remove the entry for drive D:, and BOOM, I can
access the Seagate. Is there a way to get two IDE drives and the Seagate
at the same time? I have ASPI4DOS.SYS, but it just hangs the system.
Brian
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From: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu (David J.)
Subject: Re: Omar Vizquel - GRAND SALAMI?
Nntp-Posting-Host: clove.journalism.indiana.edu
Reply-To: dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu
Organization: Indiana University
Lines: 16
Cheryl Marks writes
>
> Do you think Omar's grand slam is the result of his new fan club? Last week
> a banner appeared in the Kingdome:
>
> OLDER WOMEN FOR OMAR
That depends. Just how much older were they?
> Cheryl
--
David J.(dwarner@journalism.indiana.edu)*****Blue Riddle Productions 1993
*-------------------------------It's on.--------------------------------*
***"THE RAP IS AN ART EP" is coming out on tape -- this time for real.***
*------------------------E-mail me for the 411.-------------------------*
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From: wlm@wisdom.attmail.com (Bill Myers)
Subject: Re: graphics libraries
In-Reply-To: ch41@prism.gatech.EDU's message of 21 Apr 93 12:56:08 GMT
Organization: /usr1/lib/news/organization
Lines: 28
> Does anyone out there have any experience with Figaro+ form TGS or
> HOOPS from Ithaca Software? I would appreciate any comments.
Yes, I do. A couple of years ago, I did a comparison of the two
products. Some of this may have changed, but here goes.
As far as a PHIGS+ implementation, Figaro+ is fine. But, its PHIGS!
Personally, I hate PHIGS because I find it is too low level. I also
dislike structure editing, which I find impossible, but enough about
PHIGS.
I have found HOOPS to be a system that is full-featured and easy to
use. They support all of their rendering methods in software when
there is no hardware support, their documentation is good, and they
are easily portable to other systems.
I would be happy to elaborate further if you have more specific
questions.
--
|------------------------------------------------------|
~~~ Here's lookin' at ya.
~~_ _~~
|`O-@'| Bill | wlm@wisdom.attmail.com
@| > |@ Phone: (216) 831-2880 x2002
|\___/|
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|______________________________________________________|
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From: PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu (David Veal)
Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)
Article-I.D.: martha.1993Apr6.162820.19369
Organization: University of Tennessee Division of Continuing Education
Lines: 47
In article <C4tsHu.Ew6@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
>Frank Crary (fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU) wrote:
>: That's all very well and good, but I was refering to all
>: homocides, not just ones involving handguns (what is this fixation
>: on death by shooting, as if it were somehow worse than death
>: by stabbing?)
>
>What relevance are ALL homicides in this debate? What do you think gun
>control advocates are saying: that if we get rid of all handguns we will
>live in a homicide-free world?
The relevance is that if you've got x homicides and reduce
the number of gun homicides in that group, but x doesn't decrease
by a significant amount, have you made an improvement, and is that
improvement worth what you've paid?
>The issue is guns, not baseball bats. Even a simpleton knows that
>he stands a better chance of surviving an attack with a baseball bat...
>certainly of outrunning a bat-wielding assailant.
If a baseball bat is a tenth as likely to kill a victim as a gun,
is that any comfort to that tenth?
>As for knives, see my earlier post. I'd much rather face a knife
>than a gun, thanks.
I've faced a knife. And I was damn annoyed I didn't *have*
a gun. All the statistics in the world didn't change the fact that
*he* was interested in cutting *me*.
>Fortunately, the best defense against a knife isn't
>another knife. Anyone trained in unarmed self-defense won't have
>much of a problem disarming a knife assailant untrained in knife
>assault (which probably means 99.9% of knife assailants).
"Anyone trained in self-defense."
Unarmed self-defense isn't for everyone. What's more, it requires
substantially more training to be safe and effective than a firearm.
It requires physical proximity and thus a greater threat to the victim,
which is a primary problem with stun guns. You have to actually touch
your assailant. Unless you're *very* good, a large, stronger assailant
can simply ignore your blows long enough to incapacitate you.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
David Veal Univ. of Tenn. Div. of Cont. Education Info. Services Group
PA146008@utkvm1.utk.edu
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From: koreth@spud.Hyperion.COM (Steven Grimm)
Subject: Re: Opinions on Allergy (Hay Fever) shots?
Organization: Hyperion, Mountain View, CA, USA
Lines: 7
NNTP-Posting-Host: spud.hyperion.com
I had allergy shots for about four years starting as a sophomore in high
school. Before that, I used to get bloody noses, nighttime asthma attacks,
and eyes so itchy I couldn't get to sleep. After about 6 months on the
shots, most of those symptoms were gone, and they haven't come back. I
stopped getting the shots (due more to laziness than planning) in college.
My allergies got a little worse after that, but are still nowhere near as
bad as they used to be. So yes, the shots do work.
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From: HURH@FNAL.FNAL.GOV (Patrick Hurh)
Subject: Rayshade to DXF,RIB,etc.. (Strata)?
Organization: FNAL
Lines: 30
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: adnet13.fnal.gov
I'm a mac user who wants to use some of the rayshade models I've built
using macrayshade (rayshade-M) with Stratavision 3d. Since Stratavision
can import many different model files I thought this would be a cinch...
but I haven't been able to find a simple translator that will work on the
mac. Any ideas?
Stratavision 3d should be able to import:
DXF
MiniCAD
Super 3d
Swivel 3d professional
out of the box and:
RIB
IGS
with externals.
Also, if anyone knows of any other translator externals available for
Stratavision 3d (esp. Rayshade!) please e-mail me!
BTW, I'm going to send mail to the rayshade usrs mailing list tomorrow (I
misplaced the address) but since most users of rayshade do not seem to
operate with macs, I'm not getting my hopes up...
thanks in advance,
--patrick. hurh@fnal.fnal.gov
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From: wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (Bill Mayhew)
Subject: Re: electronic odometers (was: Used BMW Question ..... ???)
Organization: Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
Lines: 32
I consulted with someone working on an electronic odometer. The
design was to use a microprocessor based system to write a somewhat
ofuscated pattern into an EEPROM. The idea was to make the circuit
difficult to program arbitrary values into the EEPROM. The
secondary purpose, acutally the primary purpose from the standpoint
of practicality, was to distributed the writes so as to avoid
exceeing the maximum number of writes fof the EEPROM being used.
The microprocessor also ignored pulses coming from the Hall effect
at a rate any higher than 110 MPH so as to make spoofing the reading
by bench pulsing at least somewhat undesirable. This was for an
automobile that was not expected to ever exceed 110 MPH in
operation. The case, of course, might not be the same for your
1993 RX-7!
The ECM modules of some cars do indeed store info about conditions
under which cars have been operated. Since steering angle and
velocity data, etc is available it would not be difficult to
collect all sorts of interesting demographic information about the
drivers' use of the car. I am not aware of any manufacturer
currently trying to enforce warranty restrictions based on reading
out use data from the ECM. While it could be a potential invasion
of your privacy for manufacturers to have access to data about your
driving style, it could also provide valuable information from
actual field use conditions to help engineer more appropriate cars.
I personally wouldn't mind the dealer collecting my driving
demographics as long as it is done in an anonymous fashion.
--
Bill Mayhew NEOUCOM Computer Services Department
Rootstown, OH 44272-9995 USA phone: 216-325-2511
wtm@uhura.neoucom.edu (140.220.1.1) 146.580: N8WED
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From: kolstad@cae.wisc.edu (Joel Kolstad)
Subject: Re: Laser vs Bubblejet?
Organization: U of Wisconsin-Madison College of Engineering
Lines: 29
In article <1993Apr20.173742.99726@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu> hl00@ns1.cc.lehigh.edu (HOU-SHENG LIN) writes:
>Well, I'm not too sure if this would be the right place to post this, but
>anyway, here goes: I was just noticing that some of the current bubblejet
>printers offers up to 360x360 resolution while a lot of lower end laser
>printers only offer 300x300. However, the laser printers still seems to be
>significantly pricier than the bubblejets... how is this? Or am I missing
>something about the resolution thing?
Bubblejets often splatter a little bit, whereas LaserJets (given half-way decent
toner, like HP's "Microfine" stuff) don't. Both produce very good output,
but you don't have to look too closely at the two to tell that LaserJet
output is definitely superior.
On the other hand, LaserJets which haven't been maintained properly and use
the cheapest toner the owner could find often produce awful output, much
worse than a bubblejet. :-)
One other thing... there are bubblejets, and then there are BubbleJets.
There are a few bubblejets out there that produce rather mediocre output
(such as HP's dinky little BubbleJet), whereas most produce really good
looking output (such as HP's DeskJets). IBM and Canon both produce some of
the really good style bubblejets.
---Joel Kolstad
P.S. -- If you're in the market for a portable bublejet printer, I can
highly recommend the HP Portable DeskJet, although I've heard the portable
Canons are good too (I needed PCL support, myself). With the DeskJet
Portable, you even get an undocumented PCMCIA card slot!
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From: livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey)
Subject: Re: islamic genocide
Organization: sgi
Lines: 48
Distribution: world
NNTP-Posting-Host: solntze.wpd.sgi.com
In article <1qjipo$pen@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>, frank@D012S658.uucp (Frank O'Dwyer) writes:
|> In article <1qinmd$sp@fido.asd.sgi.com> livesey@solntze.wpd.sgi.com (Jon Livesey) writes:
|> #|>
|> #|> At any rate, even if your interpretation is correct this does
|> #|> not imply that the killings are religously motivated, which was
|> #|> the original poster's seeming claim.
|> #
|> #Tricky, tricky. I'm replying to your blanket claim that they
|> #are *not* religiously motivated.
|>
|> They aren't. Irish catholics in the south do not kill Irish protestants
|> in the south, yet have precisely the same history behind them. Those
|> who think the killings are religously motivated ignore the rather
|> obvious matter of British occupation, partition and misguided patriotism
|> on both sides.
False dichotomy. You claimed the killing were *not* religiously
motivated, and I'm saying that's wrong. I'm not saying that
each and every killing is religiously motivate, as I spelled out
in detail.
|>
|> The problems fault along the religious divide because at the historical
|> roots of this thing we have a catholic country partitioned and populated
|> by a protestant one. The grotesque killing of soldiers and
|> civilians is supposedly motivated by patriotism, civil rights issues, and
|> revenge. It's only difficult to understand insofaras insanity is hard
|> to understand - religion need not be invoked to explain it.
Does anyone else see the contradiction in this paragraph?
|> #But to claim that "The killings in N.I are not religously
|> #motivated." is grotesque. All that means is that the Church
|> #and believers are doing what they always do with history
|> #they can't face: they rewrite it.
|>
|> You're attacking a different claim. My claim is that when an IRA
|> terrorist plants a bomb in Warrington s/he does not have as a motive
|> the greater glory of God.
Sorry, Frank, but what I put in quotes is your own words from your
posting <1qi83b$ec4@horus.ap.mchp.sni.de>. Don't tell us now that
it's a different claim. If you can no longer stand behind your
original claim, just say so.
jon.
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From: etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se (Staffan Axelsson)
Subject: WC 93: Scores and standings, April 20
Nntp-Posting-Host: uipc104.ericsson.se
Organization: Ericsson Telecom, Stockholm, Sweden
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1993 World Championships in Germany:
====================================
Group A standings (Munich) Group B standings (Dortmund)
-------------------------- ----------------------------
GP W T L GF-GA +/- P GP W T L GF-GA +/- P
Canada 2 2 0 0 6-1 +5 4 Czech republic 2 1 1 0 6-1 +5 3
Russia 2 1 1 0 6-4 +2 3 Finland 2 1 1 0 3-1 +2 3
Italy 2 1 1 0 3-2 +1 3 Germany 2 1 0 1 6-5 +1 2
Sweden 2 1 0 1 2-4 -2 2 USA 2 0 2 0 2-2 0 2
-------------------------------- -----------------------------------
Austria 2 0 0 2 2-5 -3 0 France 1 0 0 1 0-2 -2 0
Switzerland 2 0 0 2 0-3 -3 0 Norway 1 0 0 1 0-6 -6 0
April 18: Italy - Russia 2-2 Norway - Germany 0-6
Sweden - Austria 1-0 USA - Czech republic 1-1
April 19: Canada - Switzerland 2-0
Russia - Austria 4-2 Finland - France 2-0
April 20: Sweden - Canada 1-4 Czech republic - Germany 5-0
Switzerland - Italy 0-1 Finland - USA 1-1
April 21: Germany - France 15:30
Italy - Sweden Czech republic - Norway 20:00
April 22: Switzerland - Russia USA - France 15:30
Austria - Canada Norway - Finland 20:00
April 23: Switzerland - Austria Germany - Finland 20:00
April 24: Russia - Sweden Czech republic - France 15:30
Canada - Italy USA - Norway 20:00
April 25: Sweden - Switzerland Finland- Czech republic 15:30
Russia - Canada Germany - USA 20:00
April 26: Austria - Italy France - Norway 20:00
PLAYOFFS:
=========
April 27: Quarterfinals
A #2 - B #3 15:30
A #3 - B #2 20:00
April 28: Quarterfinals
A #1 - B #4 15:30
A #4 - B #1 20:00
April 29: Relegation
A #5 - B #6 15:30
A #6 - B #5 20:00
April 30: Semifinals
A #1/B #4 - A #3/B #2 15:30
A #4/B #1 - A #2/B #3 20:00
May 1: Relegation 14:30
Bronze medal game 19:00
May 2: FINAL 15:00
--
((\\ //| Staffan Axelsson
\\ //|| etxonss@ufsa.ericsson.se
\\_))//-|| r.s.h. contact for Swedish hockey
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From: gamet@erg.sri.com (Thomas Gamet)
Subject: keyboard specifications
Organization: SRI International, Menlo Park, CA
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To all hardware and firmware gurus:
My current home project is to build a huge paddle keyboard for a
physically handicapped relative of mine. My goal is for this keyboard
to look exactly like an AT sytle keyboard to its host system.
This will be a highly endowed keyboard with a Little PCL from Z World
at its heart. The only thing I lack is detailed information on the
hardware signaling that the 486 (with Windows 3.1 and DOS 5.0) will be
expecting. My project is independant of Windows, my hope is that some of
you fellow Window's users/programmers will recognize what I need and be
willing to point me in the right direction.
I have The Winn L. Rosch Hardware Bible (2nd edition). The HB gives
most (if not all) of the information I will need concerning scan codes
and even a wire diagram for the PS/2 style connector I will need, but it
leaves a number of important questions unanswered.
1. Is it synchronous or asynchronous serial communication? I'm
guessing synchronous since the host is providing a clock. In either
event, how is the data framed?
2. Is it half-duplex or truly one way? I'm guessing half-duplex
since the host can turn LEDs on and off.
3. Are there any chipsets available for communicating with the "AT
keyboard standard" (other than by cannibalizing a real keyboard)?
If anyone knows of a book or article (or any other written source of
information) on the above, please advise me at gamet@erg.sri.com.
Whatever I do it must be safe for I cannot afford to replace the 486 in
the event of a booboo.
Thank you for your time.
Danke fuer Ihre Zeit.
Thomas Gamet (gamet@erg.sri.com)
Software Engineer
SRI International
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From: michael@jester.GUN.de (Michael Gerhards)
Distribution: world
Subject: Re: Modems and UARTs
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL8]
Organization: private COHERENT system
Lines: 33
RYAN JEFFREY BAUCOM (rjbaucom@eos.ncsu.edu) wrote:
> 1) What is a 16550 UART?
I don't know the exact meaning of UART, but I think it is something like
Universal Arithmetic Receiver Transmitter. Normally, the older boards have
a 8250 or 16450 UART on board. Those chips generate an IRQ for every char
they received. The 16550 UART has an internal 16 byte buffer, so - with the
right software installed - it generates an IRQ every 16 chars.
> 2) What does it do for high-speed modems?
> 3) Is it necessary for 14.4k or higher throughput?
If you ran dos, you don't need a 16550, because dos runs only ONE task at a
time and the whole cpu-power could be used for the transfer. But if you are
running a multitasking OS such as OS/2, Unix, etc. ( windows ? :-) ), the
cpu cannot work the whole time with one task.
The result are lost characters or broken transmissions because of timeouts.
> 4) Is it only for internal modems?
NO. The only diffrence is that internal modems have the UART on board,
whereas external modems are connected to the computer over a serial port
which has the UART on board.
> If you have any experience with 9600 or higher speed modems, please
> let me know what you think. Also, any particular brand name reccomended,
> or will a cheapo clone do just a well?
I use a Zyxel1496B with a 16550UART under COHERENT 4.0. I'm very satisfied
with it but I think that nearly everyone is satisfied with his own modem.
Michael
--
* michael@jester.gun.de * Michael Gerhards * Preussenstrasse 59 *
* Germany 4040 Neuss * Voice: 49 2131 82238 *
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From: maX <maX@maxim.rinaco.msk.su>
Subject: Only test message
Distribution: world
Organization: Home
Reply-To: maX@maxim.rinaco.msk.su
Keywords: test
Lines: 2
It's only test message.
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From: dshanks@nyx.cs.du.edu (David Shanks)
Subject: Re: Quicken 6 vs. Tobias' Managing Your Money
X-Disclaimer: Nyx is a public access Unix system run by the University
of Denver for the Denver community. The University has neither
control over nor responsibility for the opinions of users.
Keywords: Quicken Tobias
Organization: Nyx, Public Access Unix at U. of Denver Math/CS dept.
Lines: 89
In article <1993Apr20.040449.19649@twg.com> q@twg.com (Michael Wiesenberg) writes:
>Anyway, is anyone aware of a comparitive study of the two programs?
>Or can someone just give me their own personal impressions? Maybe
PC Magazine, January 12, 1993 had a review of several personal finance
management programe, as did PC-Computing, January 1993. PC World,
December 1992 also had articles about Quicken and Managing Your Money.
I can email you copies of these articles if you can't find them at your
library.
I've been using Managing Your Money for several years, and I have
several friends who use Quicken, though I've not used it myself. My
overall impression is that Quicken is a financial accounts manager
while Managing Your Money will help you more completely manage your
finances.
Here are some features that I believe Managing Your Money and Quicken share:
The ability to keep records for each of your financial accounts:
checking, savings, charge, cash, or brokerage. You can reconcile
your account statements with the records the program keeps.
The ability to make a budget and track your spending against that
budget.
A Checkfree module which will allow you to use the Checkfree bill
paying service to pay your bills via your modem.
The ability to print checks on your printer.
The ability to keep loan records and set up automatic loan payments.
The ability to import stock quotations to keep your brokerage accounts
up to date. I know Managing Your Money can do this automatically
via modem. Quicken probably can as well, but I'm not sure about it.
The ability to export tax information to popular tax preparation
programs.
Here are some features that I believe Managing Your Money has that
Quicken does not:
A tax prediction module. This looks at your accounts and budget to
predict your tax liability for the coming year. It's usefull to fine
tune your withholding so Uncle Sam doesn't get his due too early.
An insurance and vital records module. This is a place to keep
records of your insurance policies as well as other vital records.
It can also compute your life expectancy.
A financial analysis module. This computes compound interest,
effects of inflation, loan payments term or interest, yield to
maturity for bonds, savings account yields, days between dates, and
loan amortization schedules. It also has functions to help you
decide whether to refinance your mortgage, whether you can afford
a particular home, whether a particular rental property is a good
investment, whether you should buy lease or rent, and whether
a particular investment's cash flow is adequate for your situation.
This module can also help you plan for retirement and for helping
your kids with their tuition.
A net worth module. This is a place to record all your assets
and liabilities. Your net worth can be computed from this
information. Any assets or liabilities recorded in other modules
are automatically included here.
A "desk" module. This includes a small word processor, a card file
you can use to store names, addresses, phone numbers and other vital
information about friends and associates, a perpetual calander, a
rudimentary calculator, a to-do list, a reminder list, an appointment
list, and a place to record your phone calls (for those who need to
track such things). Your appointments, reminders and to-do list
can be made to display automatically when you start the program.
There are probably some things listed above that Quicken has, but I'm almost
sure that Quicken doesn't do everything I've listed. If I'm wrong, I'm sure
hordes of Quicken devotees will flame me to a crisp.
One thing that Quicken has that Managing Your Money does not yet have is a
Windows version. MECA software is rumored to be working on a Windows version
of Managing Your Money for release late this year.
I hope this information is of use to you. I've found Managing Your Money to
be a very usefull program for keeping my financial records. On the other hand
I know many people who are equally as happy with Quicken. If Quicken has all
the features you need or want, I'd go with it. If you find any of the Managing
Your Money features that Quicken doesn't have to be useful, I think it's well
worth the price.
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From: wagner@grace.math.uh.edu (David Wagner)
Subject: Re: Eternity of Hell (was Re: Hell)
Organization: UH Dept of Math
Lines: 27
"Darius" == Darius Lecointe <dlecoint@garnet.acns.fsu.edu> writes:
Darius> vic@mmalt.guild.org (Vic Kulikauskas) writes:
Darius> Let me suggest this. Maybe those who believe in the eternal
Darius> hell theory should provide all the biblical evidence they can
Darius> find for it. Stay away from human theories, and only take
Darius> into account references in the bible.
Like most topics, we've been through this one before, but here is
a good start: Matthew 25:46:
"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous
to eternal life."
I may post more on this subject when I have more time. In any
case, it is clear that the fate of the damned is most unpleasant,
and to be avoided.
David Wagner "Sola Scriptura!"
a confessional Lutheran
[I'd like to suggest that discussions based on single quotations
are a bad way to proceed. There are passages consistent with
either theory. The sensible way to proceed is to look at them
all, and see if we can come up with a view that encompasses all
of them. --clh]
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Subject: MIT R5 on Sun with Rasterops TC Colorboard
From: mark@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Mark Davies)
Distribution: world
Organization: Dept. of Comp. Sci., Victoria Uni. of Wellington, New Zealand.
NNTP-Posting-Host: bats.comp.vuw.ac.nz
Lines: 9
Is it possible to run an MIT R5 based Xserver on a Sun with a Rasterops TC
Colorboard (24bit board)? I have the Xsun24 patches for supporting sun's
24bit frame buffers but does the rasterops appear as if its a cgtwelve or
something else? I know nothing about the rasterops other than we might be
buying one to put in an IPX.
cheers
mark
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From: nrmendel@unix.amherst.edu (Nathaniel Mendell)
Subject: Re: Bike advice
Organization: Amherst College
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.1 PL7]
Lines: 11
Ummm...did you have any bikes other than that KX80? If not, I'd suggest you
look for an '89 ZX-7, since they only have about 90 horsepower, whereas the
'90 has over 100 and might be a bit much for you...
Sincerely,
Nathaniel
ZX-10
DoD 0812
AMA
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From: pooder@rchland.vnet.ibm.com (Don Fearn)
Subject: Re: Antifreeze/coolant
Reply-To: pooder@msus1.msus.edu
Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not necessarily those of IBM
Nntp-Posting-Host: garnet.rchland.ibm.com
Organization: IBM Rochester
Lines: 34
In article <1993Apr15.193938.8569@research.nj.nec.com>, behanna@syl.nj.nec.com (Chris BeHanna) writes:
|> For those of you with motorcycles of the liquid-cooled persuasion,
|> what brand of coolant do you use and why? I am looking for aluminum-safe
|> coolant, preferably phosphate-free, and preferably cheaper than $13/gallon.
|> (Can you believe it: the Kaw dealer wants $4.95 a QUART for the Official
|> Blessed Holy Kawasaki Coolant!!! No way I'm paying that usury...)
|>
Prestone. I buy it at ShopKo for less
than that a _gallon_. BMW has even more
expensive stuff than Kawasaki (must be
from grapes only grown in certain parts of
the fatherland), but BMW Dave* said "Don't
worry about it -- just change it yearly and
keep it topped off". It's been keeping
Gretchen happy since '87, so I guess it's OK.
Kept my Rabbit's aluminum radiator hoppy for
12 years and 130,000 miles, too, so I guess
it's aluminum safe.
*Former owner of the late lamented Rochester
BMW Motorcycles and all around good guy.
--
Pooder - Rochester, MN - DoD #591
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
"What Do *You* Care What Other People Think?" -- Richard Feynman
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
I share garage space with: Gretchen - '86 K75 Harvey - '72 CB500
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
<< Note the different "Reply-To:" address if you want to send me e-mail>>
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From: rar@schooner.otra.COM (Rich Rollman)
Subject: File Formats
Organization: The Internet
Lines: 15
To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu
Hi folks,
Can anyone give me some information, the location of some
information, or some reference material for the following
file formats: WIFF, MO;DCA/IOCA, PCX.
If this is not quite the appropriate place to ask such
questions, please let me know a more appropriate one and
accept my apologies in advance.
Thanks for your help,
Rich Rollman
Dogleg Systems, Inc.
(908) 389-9597
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From: uck@netcom.com (Tom Chamberlain)
Subject: Buzz Aldrin's Race Into Space?
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
Lines: 6
Has anyone heard of or Played Buzz Aldrin's Race into Space?
Does anyone know when it is expected to be released...?
Thanx, Tom.
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From: gt0523e@prism.gatech.EDU (Michael Andre Mule)
Subject: Re: Torre: The worst manager?
Distribution: usa
Organization: Georgia Institute of Technology
Lines: 19
In article <93095@hydra.gatech.EDU> gt7469a@prism.gatech.EDU (Brian R. Landmann) writes:
>Later, in the ninth inning with the bases loaded and two outs he puts
>lankford, a 300 hitter with power in as a pinch runner and uses Luis
>Alicea, a 250 hitter with no power as a pinch hitter. What the Hell
>is he thinking.
Didn't Alicea get a hit, though?
See y'all at the ballyard
Go Braves
Chop Chop
Michael Mule'
--
Michael Andre Mule
Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta Georgia, 30332
uucp: ...!{decvax,hplabs,ncar,purdue,rutgers}!gatech!prism!gt0523e
Internet: gt0523e@prism.gatech.edu
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From: vince@sscl.uwo.ca
Subject: Binaca Blast Deep Drive Derby (BBDDD) Returns
Organization: Social Science Computing Laboratory
Distribution: na
Nntp-Posting-Host: vaxr.sscl.uwo.ca
Lines: 72
In article <1piisn$asq@network.ucsd.edu>, king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King) writes:
>
> A less well-publicized part of the now infamous Darrin Jackson for
> Derek Bell trade was the fact that San Diego included $300,000 in the
> deal. Even less publicized than this, however, was that the $300,000
> didn't come from the Padres, but from an un-named source, and that the
> money didn't go to the Blue Jays. In Toronto, the money was diverted
> into a London bank account owned by a shadowy character named Vincent
> Gray.
I should be so lucky: the account number must have been rejected! :-)
> The odd thing was that Gray wasn't some British financier, but a
> Canadian social scientist working at the University of Western
> Ontario. Gray was previously known to the authorities only as an
> associate of John Palmer, and as the man who had the previous year
> discovered the True Tater Name of "Bing Bang Ben" MacDonald.
To be accurate, it is "Big Bang Ben" MacDonald.
> Soon after that, Gray and Palmer sent word to Ottawa that Canada had
> achieved absolute superiority over the United States in the field of
> baseballistic research, as she controlled both the Acker-Cook
> Pitch-Alike Contest and the Binaca Blast Research Institute. The Prime
> Minister smiled.
I hope not. To think that I would inadvertantly give any pleasure to
Mulroney _really_ ruins my day. PS: Matthew Wall: a marvellous ending
to the section on the Expos.
> Okay, so I'm not giving up the day job. But, in an effort to help me
> keep the day job, I've managed to foist the job of running the Binaca
> Blast Deep Drive Derby onto Vince Gray, to whom future Deep
> Drive-related tidbits should be sent:
>
> VINCE@sscl.uwo.ca
or VINCE@VAXI.SSCL.UWO.CA; please identify any messages with the
subject line BBDDD
> Vince can take this post as the cue to chime in about what he plans to
> do as the new director of the Research Institute, and what kind of
> body armor Ontarians are wearing this Spring. Meanwhile, I have to go
> pick up that truckload of Denis Boucher cards I bought to fill in the
> area behind our tool shed...
>
> jking
Realizing the taterific importance of this work, John Palmer and I
concluded that we might be able to pool some resources. I have not yet
gone through the archives that Jonathan sent to me; when I do, I will
send out an "official" introduction to the Deep Drive Derby.
However, I wonder if we need to rename the project, now that the
principal investigator and research archive have changed. Send your
suggestions for a rename of the study to me, at the address given
above.
And, just think: it's opening day. Soon, the balls will be flying
out (no, get your minds out of the gutter) of the ball parks, and
helpless bystanders will be injured by balls reentering the
atmosphere. (and you thought that meteorite showers were made of
rocks!)
Who will be the stars this year? Can anyone hope to combat Brad
Arnsberg's record start to last year?
The season is young, the balls newly rubbed in mud, the hot dogs
starting to boil for the rest of the year. Play ball (and take cover).
And may all your sliders hang.
Vince.
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From: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
Subject: Could anyone answer this question???
Organization: Free University of Berlin, Germany
Lines: 41
Cc: u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
I've heard it said that the accounts we have of Christs life and
ministry in the Gospels were actually written many years after the event.
(About 40 years or so). Is this correct?? If so, why the big time delay??
I know all scripture is inspired of God, so the time of writing is I suppose
un-important, but I still can't help be curious!
---------------------------------------------------
Ivan Thomas Barr
Contact me at u9126619@athmail1.causeway.qub.ac.uk
[The Gospels aren't dated, so we can only guess. Luke's prolog is
about the only thing we have from the author describing his process.
The prolog sounds like Luke is from the next generation, and had to do
some investigating. There are traditions passed down verbally that
say a few things about the composition of the Gospels. There are
debates about how reliable these traditions are. They certainly don't
have the status of Scripture, yet scholars tend to take some of them
seriously. One suggests that Mark was based on Peter's sermons, and
was written to preserve them when Peter had died or way about to die.
One tradition about Matthew suggests that a collection of Jesus words
may have been made earlier than the current Gospels.
In the ancient world, it was much more common to rely on verbal
transmission of information. I think many people would have preferred
to hear about Jesus directly from someone who had known him, and maybe
even from someone who studied directly under such a person, rather
than from a book. Thus I suspect that the Gospels are largely from a
period when these people were beginning to die. Scholars generally do
think there was some written material earlier, which was probably used
as sources for the existing Gospels.
Establishing the dates is a complex and technical business. I have to
confess that I'm not sure how much reliance I'd put on the methods
used. But it's common to think that Mark was written first, around 64
AD., and that all of the Gospels were written by the end of the
Century. A few people vary this by a decade or so one way or the
other.
--clh]
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From: tobias@convex.com (Allen Tobias)
Subject: Re: WARNING.....(please read)...
Nntp-Posting-Host: hydra.convex.com
Organization: CONVEX Computer Corporation, Richardson, Tx., USA
X-Disclaimer: This message was written by a user at CONVEX Computer
Corp. The opinions expressed are those of the user and
not necessarily those of CONVEX.
Lines: 24
In article <1993Apr15.024246.8076@Virginia.EDU> ejv2j@Virginia.EDU ("Erik Velapoldi") writes:
>This happened about a year ago on the Washington DC Beltway.
>Snot nosed drunken kids decided it would be really cool to
>throw huge rocks down on cars from an overpass. Four or five
>cars were hit. There were several serious injuries, and sadly
>a small girl sitting in the front seat of one of them was struck
>in the head by one of the larger rocks. I don't recall if she
>made it, but I think she was comatose for a month or so and
>doctors weren't holding out hope that she'd live.
>
>What the hell is happening to this great country of ours? I
>can see boyhood pranks of peeing off of bridges and such, but
>20 pound rocks??! Has our society really stooped this low??
>
>Erik velapold
Society, as we have known it, it coming apart at the seams! The basic reason
is that human life has been devalued to the point were killing someone is
"No Big Deal". Kid's see hundreds on murderous acts on TV, we can abort
children on demand, and kill the sick and old at will. So why be surprised
when some kids drop 20 lbs rocks and kill people. They don't care because the
message they hear is "Life is Cheap"!
AT
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From: "Mohammad Al-Ansari" <alansari@mango.ucs.indiana.edu>
Subject: CACHE or Micronics EISA/VLB Motherboard?
Organization: Indiana University Computer Science, Bloomington
Lines: 27
This might be a silly question but I have to ask it anyway. I am in
the process of purchasing an EISA/VL Bus 486 DX2-66 computer and I
found two places that sell machines that have what I want and have the
same price. The first is Ares and they use a Cache motherboard (that's
the brand of the motherboard) with OPTI chip set, the other is Micron
(formerly Edge Technology) and they use the Micronics EISA/VLB
motherboard.
I said that this might be a silly question since I believe that
Micronics is a very well known motherboard manufacturer while I never
heard of Cache! I am however leaning towards the Ares machine because
my impression is that they are known for building good, solid machines
and they have good tech support (24 hr, 7 days/wk), and a better
warrantee (2 years). Micron, on the other hand, seems to have
recently aquired Edge Technologies and I'm not sure how much I should
trust the company.
I would REALLY appreciate any input on this. Is the Micron machine the
clear choice? Does anyone know anything positive or negative about
either company? Has anyone ever heard of Cache motherboards? Should I
go with Micron just because it has the Micronics motherboard? etc.
Thanks very much in advance for any information.
--
Mohammad Al-Ansari
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From: perlman@qso.Colorado.EDU (Eric S. Perlman)
Subject: Re: Final Solution for Gaza ?
Summary: Davidsson can't even get the most basic facts right.
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In article <1483500354@igc.apc.org> Center for Policy Research <cpr@igc.apc.org> writes:
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>[...]
>The Gaza strip, this tiny area of land with the highest population
>density in the world, has been cut off from the world for weeks.
>The Israeli occupier has decided to punish the whole population of
>Gaza, some 700.000 people, by denying them the right to leave the
>strip and seek work in Israel.
Anyone who can repeate this choice piece of tripe without checking
his/her sources does not deserve to be believed. The Gaza strip does
not possess the highest population density in the world. In fact, it
isn't even close. Just one example will serve to illustrate the folly
of this statement: the city of Hong Kong has nearly ten times the
population of the Gaza strip in a roughly comparable land area. The
centers of numerous cities also possess comparable, if not far higher,
population densities. Examples include Manhattan Island (NY City), Sao
Paolo, Ciudad de Mexico, Bombay,...
Need I go on? The rest of Mr. Davidsson's message is no closer to the
truth than this oft-repeated statement is.
--
"How sad to see/A model of decorum and tranquillity/become like any other sport
A battleground for rival ideologies to slug it out with glee." -Tim Rice,"Chess"
Eric S. Perlman <perlman@qso.colorado.edu>
Center for Astrophysics and Space Astronomy, University of Colorado, Boulder
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From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
Subject: Re: Morality? (was Re: <Political Atheists?)
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In article <1ql667INN54a@gap.caltech.edu> keith@cco.caltech.edu (Keith Allan Schneider) writes:
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>What I've been saying is that moral behavior is likely the null behavior.
Do I smell .sig material here?
/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
They said that Queens could stay, they blew the Bronx away,
and sank Manhattan out at sea.
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From: craigs@srgenprp.sr.hp.com (Craig Stelter)
Subject: Re: Defensive Averages 1988-1992, Third Base
Organization: HP Sonoma County (SRSD/MWTD/MID)
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Dale Stephenson (steph@cs.uiuc.edu) wrote:
: In <C5JJrJ.EM3@cs.uiuc.edu> steph@cs.uiuc.edu (Dale Stephenson) writes:
: >Compiled from the last five Defensive Average reports, here are the career
: >DAs for the individual players in the reports. Stats are courtesy of
: >Sherri Nichols. Players are listed in descending order.
: And some comments, with some players deleted.
: >Third Basemen
: >-------------
: >Leius, Scott ---- ---- ---- .653 .680 0.672
: Looks good. Too bad he's moving to short.
: >Pagliarulo, Mike .631 ---- .575 .744 ---- 0.649
: This is an interesting line. His 1988 figure was slightly below average.
: His 1990 was pathetic, and his 1991 was the next best year by anybody. Part of
: that may be his mobility. 1988 was with the Yankees. 1990 was with the
: Padres, who appear to have a rotten infield. 1991 was with the Twins, and
: judging by Leius and Gaetti, the Metrodome may be a good place to play
: third.
Gaetti, Gary .616 .638 .655 .632 ---- 0.637
Apologies if I don't know what I'm talking about :-), but as a Twins fan,
I like to think they have good players in any park. Not sure if I remember
completely or not, but I think Gaetti played with the Twins in '87 for the
world series, and again in '88 (note that's his lowest of the 4). I believe
the next 3 (or at least the last two) were played with the Angels. Lots
of factors make a player excell... I hate it when so many use the dome.
It may not be ideal, but nice to comfortably enjoy baseball and football
even when it's snowing and raining.
-Craig
I'm sure the company for which I work does not have all the same opinions
that I do...
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From: fcrary@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (Frank Crary)
Subject: Re: Gun Control (was Re: We're Mad as Hell at the TV News)
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In article <C4u3x5.Fw7@magpie.linknet.com> manes@magpie.linknet.com (Steve Manes) writes:
>I don't know how anyone can state that gun control could have NO
>effect on homicide rates.
I don't think anyone is arguing that there would be no effect. But
there would be no _net_ _positive_ effect. You also have to
consider the negative side: Law abiding citizens, armed with
fireamrs (pistols for the most part), prevent between 80,000
(National Crime Survey) and 1,000,000 (Dr. Kleck) crimes
each year. (Those are the extremes. Most studies find
the number to be 500,000 to 600,000.) About 1% of those crimes are
homicides, so private ownership of firearms _saves_ approximately
5,000 lives each year. There are roughly 12,000 criminal homicides
and fatal accidents involving guns each year. For there to
be any net benefit, you would have to show that gun control measures
would disarm over 40% of the criminals currently using guns.
That would be very hard to do: According the the federal BATF,
only 8% of criminals buy their guns over the counter. Since
gun control laws, by their very nature, only effect legal
sales, such a law would remove all the benefits of armed,
law-abiding citizens while having only a minimal effect on
armed criminals (who, by and large, get their guns illegally.)
That doesn't sound like a net benefit to me.
>...There were over 250 >accidental< handgun
>homicides in America in 1990, most with licensed weapons.
Since most were with licensed weapons, I assume you are not
supporting "reasonable" laws (i.e. waiting periods, background
checks, licenses, etc...). Since only a complete ban would
alter the statistic you refer to, I assume that's what you
are supporting.
By the way, 1135 people dies in 1986 from falling down stairs.
250 accidental handgun deaths isn't significant next to
other household accidents.
>...More
>American children accidentally shot other children last year (15)
>than all the handgun homicides in Great Britain.
1080 children under the age of 10 died by drowning, 69 from
drinking poisonous household chemicals (like Drano), 139 from
falls. If the real goal is to reduce the tragic, accidental
deaths of children, wouldn't a ban on drain cleaners be a
better palce to start? (Or, perhaps, restricting ownership to
professionals like plumbers?)
>...Please... no dictionary arguments about RATES vs
>TOTAL NUMBERS, okay? They're offered for emphasis, not comparison).
While you might call it "emphasis", refering to completely two
statistics in the same sentence _implies_ a comparison. If it
isn't valid, and you put the numbers together to convince people
you are right, the kindest thing I could call it is propaganda.
Frank Crary
CU Boulder
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From: jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Josh Hopkins)
Subject: Vandalizing the sky
Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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yamauchi@ces.cwru.edu (Brian Yamauchi) writes:
>enzo@research.canon.oz.au (Enzo Liguori) writes:
>>WHAT'S NEW (in my opinion), Friday, 16 April 1993 Washington, DC
>>1. SPACE BILLBOARDS! IS THIS ONE THE "SPINOFFS" WE WERE PROMISED?
>>In 1950, science fiction writer Robert Heinlein published "The
>>Man Who Sold the Moon," which involved a dispute over the sale of
>>rights to the Moon for use as billboard. NASA has taken the firsteps toward this
>>hideous vision of the future. Observers were
>>startled this spring when a NASA launch vehicle arrived at the
>>pad with "SCHWARZENEGGER" painted in huge block letters on the
>>side of the booster rockets. Space Marketing Inc. had arranged
>>for the ad to promote Arnold's latest movie.
>Well, if you're going to get upset with this, you might as well direct
>some of this moral outrage towards Glavcosmos as well. They pioneered
>this capitalist application of booster adverts long before NASA.
In fact, you can all direct your ire at the proper target by ingoring NASA
altogether. The rocket is a commercial launch vechicle - a Conestoga flying
a COMET payload. NASA is simply the primary customer. I believe SDIO has a
small payload as well. The advertising space was sold by the owners of the
rocket, who can do whatever they darn well please with it. In addition, these
anonymous "observers" had no reason to be startled. The deal made Space News
at least twice.
>>Now, Space Marketing
>>is working with University of Colorado and Livermore engineers on
>>a plan to place a mile-long inflatable billboard in low-earth
>>orbit.
>>NASA would provide contractual launch services. However,
>>since NASA bases its charge on seriously flawed cost estimates
>>(WN 26 Mar 93) the taxpayers would bear most of the expense.
>>Is NASA really supporting this junk?
>And does anyone have any more details other than what was in the WN
>news blip? How serious is this project? Is this just in the "wild
>idea" stage or does it have real funding?
I think its only fair to find that out before everyone starts having a hissy
fit. The fact that they bothered to use the conditional tense suggests that
it has not yet been approved.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
"Find a way or make one."
-attributed to Hannibal
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From: gwm@spl1.spl.loral.com (Gary W. Mahan)
Subject: Re: It's a rush... (was Re: Too fast)
Organization: Loral Software Productivity Laboratory
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>Why should a good driver be terrified at 130mph? The only thing I fear
>going at 130 are drivers, who switch to the left lane without using
>either rear-view-mirror or flashers. Doing 130 to 150 ain't a rush
>for me, but it's fun and I get where I want to go much faster.
In defense of the drivers, who are in the right lane. Here in the states, people simply do not expect when they are driving to be overtaken at a speed differential of 50+mph. I don't think this is because they are stupid (of course, there are exceptions), they are just programmed because of the 55mph limit. Do you (in the states) when you look in the rear-view ALWAYS calculate future positions of cars based on a 50+ speed differential.
Dont get me wrong, I love to drive in the left lane fast but when I overtake
cars who are on the right, I slow down a tad bit. If I were to rely on the judgement of the other car, to recognize the speed differential, I would be the stupid one.
BTW, If no one else is around, then GO FOR IT!.
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From: strnlght@netcom.com (David Sternlight)
Subject: Re: Once tapped, your code is no good any more.
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In article <ELEE9SF.93Apr21095141@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU>
elee9sf@menudo.menudo.UH.EDU (Karl Barrus) writes:
>
>Would you trust a black-box from the NSA versus an "open system" from
>elsewhere?
Absolutely, if I were assured by someone I trusted that the black box was
more secure. I have nothing to conceal from the government, but I would like
to be sure that any Russian, Japanese, French, or other competitors for my
services can't read my traffic. I'd like to be sure that competitive bid
information was safe from commercial competitors and foreign governments
which would aid them.
I believe the NSA has identical motivations with respect to my activities.
The President and many other senior government officials have made it very
clear that they share these motivations. Thus I'd trust them on the
"coincidence of interests" argument as well as on a basic trust in their
professionalism and a high confidence in their skills.
David
--
David Sternlight Great care has been taken to ensure the accuracy of
our information, errors and omissions excepted.
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From: ktj@beach.cis.ufl.edu (kerry todd johnson)
Subject: army in space
Organization: Univ. of Florida CIS Dept.
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Is anybody out there willing to discuss with me careers in the Army that deal
with space? After I graduate, I will have a commitment to serve in the Army,
and I would like to spend it in a space-related field. I saw a post a long
time ago about the Air Force Space Command which made a fleeting reference to
its Army counter-part. Any more info on that would be appreciated. I'm
looking for things like: do I branch Intelligence, or Signal, or other? To
whom do I voice my interest in space? What qualifications are necessary?
Etc, etc. BTW, my major is computer science engineering.
Please reply to ktj@reef.cis.ufl.edu
Thanks for ANY info.
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= Whether they ever find life there or not, I think Jupiter should be =
= considered an enemy planet. -- Jack Handy =
---ktj@reef.cis.ufl.edu---cirop59@elm.circa.ufl.edu---endeavour@circa.ufl.edu--
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From: nelson@seahunt.imat.com (Michael Nelson)
Subject: Re: extraordinary footpeg engineering
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In article <1qt19d$2fj@vtserf.cc.vt.edu> ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu (Wm. L. Ranck) writes:
>exb0405@csdvax.csd.unsw.edu.au wrote:
>
>Let me guess. You were making a left turn, correct? The edge of the stud
>contacting the road caused it to turn and unthread itself. If you had
>been making a right turn it would have tightened the stud.
Bzzzt! Thanks for playing. If he'd been making a right
turn, the sucker would have been a couple feet off the
ground.
Michael
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+-------------------------------------------------------------+
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| Internet: nelson@seahunt.imat.com Dod #0735 |
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From: king@cogsci.ucsd.edu (Jonathan King)
Subject: Re: Zane!!Rescue us from Simmons!!
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Summary: oh please, it's way too early to get upset.
Mamatha Devineni Ratnam <mr47+@andrew.cmu.edu> writes:
>So far Simmons looks like a total idiot.
Whatever you say. I think it's just 12 games into the season myself, so
I'm going to wait a bit before calling names.
>2) I am sure Simmons was ready to say I told you so after Otto had an
>impressive win last week. Now Otto's latest debacle has restored Simmons'
>reputation. Now he looks like he is back in his '92 form when he had the
>AL's highest ERA among starters. Four our sake(not Ted's sake), I hope he
>pitches with a 3.5 ERA for the rest of the season. Yeah, right.
I expect that Dave Otto will be a really bad pitcher, and I have no
idea why Simmons ever wanted him. On the other hand, I expect him to
release Otto if he doesn't turn things around pretty fast. (BTW,
Otto's game score for that 0 IP stinker was only 22, which points out
a problem with the method since Otto's performance was infinitely bad,
and excruciatingly prolonged.)
>3) Tomlin and Merced are a bit disappointing. They are still doing decently.
>But considering the considerable amount of talent and maturity they have
>shown their first seasons, they seem to have actually gotten a little
>bit worse.
I think Merced's rookie year was a bit flukey, but aren't you willing to
give him some more at bats (and Tomlin a few more starts) before acting
so gloomy?
>4) Walk: Well, he seems to be on the losing end tonight. BUt I still think
>that Walk desrved his contract.
No he didn't. Walk is a time bomb. He has no stuff whatsoever, and when
the league finally realizes this, it won't be pretty at all.
>8) The Rookie batters: Well, Young has surprised me a bit with his
>instant impact. Other than that, their excellent performance hasn't
>been too much of a surprise. I think we should thank Doughty for that.
Don't be so fast. Doughty is the guy who signed Steve Buechele, which
was a move that threatened to bury Kevin Young in the minors.
Meanwhile, I'm not sure whether Doughty or Simmons signed Martin as a
six-year free agent before the 1992 season.
>9) Rookie Pitchers: Worse than expected, especially Cooke.
Twice through the rotation, and you've given up? Yikes.
>10) Slaught: How come he wasn't given a contract extension last year?
>Now his value has increased immensely.
But so has his age, at least in baseball terms. The useful half-life
of a 34- year-old injury-prone catcher can't be much longer than a year.
>11) Lonnie Smith!! Well, Eric Davis was signed for a comparable amount.
But he wanted to be a Dodger, and felt he had something to prove after his
disastrous 1992. I don't think there was any chance for the Bucs to sign
him.
>Let's see. Eric can hit better. He can run better. He can field better.
>Now why didnt the PIrates go after Eric Davis. An injured Davis is better
>than a healthy Lonnie Smith.
He certainly wasn't last year.
>Even if Lonnnie Smith gets some big hits this year,he won't be an asset.
>He has looked terrible on the bases and in the field.
Hey, that's the "Skates Smith" package deal. Anybody who acquires
Lonnie for his defense or base-running (particularly at this stage) is
a real weirdo.
>12) Management: BIG BIG ZERO. Sauer has yet to make a forceful argument
>in favor of revenue sharing. He seems more concerned about pleasing that
>idiot Danforth by preparing the team for a move to Tampa Bay.
If that's the goal of the team ownership, than I don't see why Sauer
gets a zero for making his boss happy. I don't know what he has or
hasn't said about revenue sharing, so I can't comment there.
>13) Alex Cole fiasco.
> [stuff deleted]
>Ironically, the biggest accomplishment of Simmons' tenure was
>getting Alex Cole really cheap. Too bad. [that he gave him away in the
>expansion draft.]
It's annoying, but since Leyland seems to have been pushing for them
to retain Jeff King, it was probably unavoidable. Meanwhile, I think
bigger accomplishments of Simmons' tenure were getting some value for
John Smiley, not trading real prospects for veterans down the stretch
last year, drafting well in 1992, letting the rookies show something
in 1993. Foley, Smith, and Candelaria were acquired to be replacement
parts, which means that even if fail it hasn't done serious damage to
the Bucs' future.
>14) Compensatory draft picks for Bonds: Forget it. The pirates can rant
>and rave. they will not get those picks. As of now, the issue is still
>being appealed.
Does this mean that the Bucs lost the initial arbitration case? I
never heard the outcome of this. When will the final verdict be in on
this?
>Now, if this doesnt convince anyone that Simmons and Sauer are idiots,
>nothing else will.
I'm not sure who was the idiot in this case, so I don't know who to
blame. It might have been Doug Danforth, after all. In fact, I
*seriously* suspect it was Doug Danforth, who has shown his
willingness to call the shots at exactly those moments when the gun is
pointed at his feet.
(btw--I've wondered whether my latest posts have been getting
off-site, so if somebody known to impersonate e.e. cummings can see
this, would he drop me a short note?)
jking
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From: tonyo@pendragon.CNA.TEK.COM (Tony Ozrelic)
Subject: Need info on cc:Mail file format
Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Redmond, Oregon
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I need the file format for cc:Mail file formats - it seems to be PCX-based,
but with a twist: only the first page of a multi-page fax will come out
readable. The other pages disappear. The format seems to be 'proprietary'.
Anybody got any clues? I have to give my email FAXes to my secretary in
order to get 'em unscrambled. I want a filter from cc:Mail to .p[nb]m.
Come to think of it, p[nb]m to cc:Mail would be nice too.
tonyo@master.CNA.TEK.COM
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From: j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)
Subject: Plus minus stat
Organization: University of Western Ontario
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>Post: 51240 of 51243
>Newsgroups: rec.sport.hockey
>From: maynard@ramsey.cs.laurentian.ca (Roger Maynard)
>Subject: Re: Plus minus stat
>Organization: Dept. of Computer Science, Laurentian University,
>Sudbury, ON Date: Fri, 16 Apr 1993 01:59:36 GMT
<discussion deleted>
>>>Good for you. You'd only be displaying your ignorance of
>>>course, but to each his own...
>>
>>Roger, I'm not sure here, but I think "ignorance" is really a
>>function of "a lack of knowledge" and not "formulating an
>>opinion"...but hey, if you need to take a cheap shot, then by
>>all means go ahead...that's if it makes you feel better.
>To knowledgeable observers of the game my meaning is obvious.
>Your hockey education is not my responsibility.
MY HOCKEY EDUCATION? What the f--- are you talking about? I'm
not even going to try to refute this absolutely insane statement.
>>My word, such vehemence against poor ol' Bob Gainey. Why does
>>he bother you so much...he was an effective player for his
>>style of play.
>He was just another player. To laud him as anything more I find
>bothersome. I hated the Habs. I hated Lafleur until I realized
>that he was likely the most aesthetically pleasing player to
>ever skate in my lifetime. Why would anyone talk about Gainey?
"I hate the Habs" ?...you sound like a 10-year old. This
statement is just further exemplifies your total inability to
argue objectively about hockey. Don't give me this crap about
"cogent arguments"...I've yet to read something of yours that is
cogent. You consistently argue with: (1) emotion; (2) huge,
sweeping statements
Frankly, you have a very unconvincing style.
I'm not defending Bob Gainey...frankly, I don't care for him all
that much. But your dismissal of him as something less than an
effective hockey player is tiresome...it has no basis in
anything. How many Calders did he win? I think it was four (go
ahead and refresh my memory). What about the Conn Smythe? Was
that a fluke? Yeah, not the makings of a hockey superstar, I
know, but try to have a reason, any reason, to shoot him down.
>>>go around. Who would you rather have as your "checking"
>>>centre? Doug Gilmour or Doug Jarvis? For that matter I would
>>>take either Gretzky or Mario as my "checking" centres. Do you
>>>think Gretzky could cover Bob Gainey?
>>I'm really sorry Roger, but you have lost me completely here.
>>Why don't you ask me if I would rather have Jesus Christ,
>>himself, in nets?
>Did he play hockey at a high level? Was he any good? If not,
>why would you bother to bring JC up? I am talking about hockey
>players here. If you can't follow the conversation don't follow
>up. As I said previously, it is not my responsibility to
>educate you.
Hey cowboy! You're the "expert" who introduced the idiotic
comparison of Gainey with Gretzky and Lemieux...you figure it
out.
>>Now, if you were to compare, say for example, Bob Gainey with
>>Guy Carbonneau, you would have a balanced comparison.
>Sure. Two journeymen. Big deal. Neither one of them is worth
>discussing.
How many individual awards between them? Eight...I don't remember
(once again, please feel free to refresh my memory...and try to
be as sarcastic as possible about my "hockey education").
>I'm wrong AGAIN...hmmm, let's see...where was I wrong in the
>>>I would take Fuhr and Sanderson off of the latter.
OH MY GOD!!! Did I say that? Roger...what's your point? Fuhr
is a goaltender, goaltender's don't "plug"...in his prime, he was
one of the best. Sanderson was a scrapper...if you stick him on
you may as well include half the Flyers team of the same era.
>>first place? I'm only guessing here, Rog, but I have a feeling
>>that you've setup a "You're wrong again" macro key on your
>>machine.
>That is an excellent idea and if I decide to waste any more time
>responding to any of your, or Greg's, postings then I will be
>sure to implement that very macro.
Oh Roger, you shouldn't...really. I don't deserve this...you are
far too accomodating already.
>>I would suggest that your comment: "And when the press runs out
>>of things to say about the stars on dynasties they start to
>>hype the pluggers. Grant Fuhr, Essa Tikkannen, Butch Goring,
>>Bob Nystrom, Bob Gainey, Doug Jarvis, Derek Sanderson, Wayne
>>Cashman, Bob Baun, Bob Pulford, Ralph Backstrom, Henri Richard,
>>Dick Duff...and so on..." demonstrates a blanket disregard for
>>these individuals as contributors to the game...so yes, settle
>>down...nobody has claimed that they are hockey gods.
>Tarasov claimed that Gainey was a "hockey god." And Greg ate
>it up. And that is what this thread is all about. If you didn't
>know that then why are you responding?
You seem to have allowed all of these other players fall into
your sweeping, vacuous statement...that's why. If you want to
debate Gainey, go ahead...but why bring up everybody else? How
does it support your argument? Do you have an argument, or do
you just like to throw around a few names hoping to impress us?
>And as for "blanket disregard for these individuals", I can
>remember Leaf teams, purely populated by such "individuals",
>winning four Stanley Cups. Teams. No one ran around telling
>us that George Armstrong was the best hockey player in the
>world.
Great. I couldn't agree more. The Flyers won two cups for the
same reasons...deservedly so. So what? I don't get it. Are you
angry that the Leafs didn't get more recognition?
You seem to think these pluggers are "hyped"...I don't
agree...plain and simple. If you're last statement is some sort
of compromise, fair enough.
>>>You might consider developing your own style. After all,
>>>imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and I am quite
>>>sure that flattery is not your intention.
>>
>>C'mon...it has a nice ring to it...and admit it, you had a good
>>laugh.
>Right. I had to get to the end of your posting before I
>realized you were a complete joke.
Not a pleasant bone in your body, eh Rog? Why are you so
unhappy? Not getting invited to enough parties? What?
>In the future, if you are going to respond to my postings I
>would appreciate it if you could present a cogent argument
>supported by facts gleaned from a version of reality that most
>of the rest of us would recognize.
Roger, why are you under the impression that responding to your
posts is some great honour? You really should stop...it sounds
a little bit pathetic. Frankly, it's about as honourable as a
good fart.
congenially, as always,
jd
--
James David
j3david@student.business.uwo.ca/s
j3david@sms.business.uwo.ca (James David)
Western Business School -- London, Ontario
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From: spbach@lerc.nasa.gov (James Felder)
Subject: Re: some thoughts.
Organization: NASA Lewis Resaerch Center
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In article 734849678@saturn.wwc.edu, bissda@saturn.wwc.edu (DAN LAWRENCE BISSELL) writes:
-> First I want to start right out and say that I'm a Christian. It
->makes sense to be one. Have any of you read Tony Campollo's book- liar,
->lunatic, or the real thing? (I might be a little off on the title, but he
->writes the book. Anyway he was part of an effort to destroy Christianity,
->in the process he became a Christian himself.
Sounds like you are saying he was a part of some conspiracy. Just what organization did he
belong to? Does it have a name?
-> The book says that Jesus was either a liar, or he was crazy ( a
->modern day Koresh) or he was actually who he said he was.
Logic alert - artificial trifercation. The are many other possible explainations. Could have been
that he never existed. There have been some good points made in this group that is not
impossible that JC is an amalgam of a number of different myths, Mithra comes to mind.
-> Some reasons why he wouldn't be a liar are as follows. Who would
->die for a lie? Wouldn't people be able to tell if he was a liar? People
->gathered around him and kept doing it, many gathered from hearing or seeing
->someone who was or had been healed. Call me a fool, but I believe he did
->heal people.
Logic alert - argument from incredulity. Just because it is hard for you to believe this doesn't
mean that it isn't true. Liars can be very pursuasive, just look at Koresh that you yourself site.
He has followers that don't think he is a fake and they have shown that they are willing to die.
By not giving up after getting shot himself, Koresh has shown that he too is will to die for what
he believes. As far as healing goes. If I rememer right the healing that was attributed is not
consistent between the different gospels. In one of them the healing that is done is not any more
that faith healers can pull off today. Seems to me that the early gospels weren't that compeling,
so the stories got bigger to appeal better.
-> Niether was he a lunatic. Would more than an entire nation be drawn
->to someone who was crazy. Very doubtful, in fact rediculous. For example
->anyone who is drawn to David Koresh is obviously a fool, logical people see
->this right away.
-> Therefore since he wasn't a liar or a lunatic, he must have been the
->real thing.
Or might not have existed, or any number of things. That is the logical pitfall that those who
use flawed logic like this fall into. There are bifurcations (or tri, quad, etc) that are valid, because
in the proceeding steps, the person shows conclusively that the alternatives are all that are
possible. Once everyone agrees that the given set is indeed all there are, then arguments among
the alternatives can be presentent, and one mostly likely to be true can be deduced by excluding
all other possible alternatives.
However, if it can be shown that the set is not all inclusive, then any conclusions bases on the
incomplete set are invalid, even if the true choice is one of the original choices. I have given at
least one valid alternative, so the conclusion that JC is the real McCoy just because he isn't one of
the other two alternative is no longer valid.
-> Some other things to note. He fulfilled loads of prophecies in
->the psalms, Isaiah and elsewhere in 24 hrs alone. This in his betrayal
->and Crucifixion. I don't have my Bible with me at this moment, next time I
->write I will use it.
JC was a rabbi. He knew what those prophecies were. It wouldn't be any great shakes to make
sure one does a list of actions that would fullfill prophecy. What would be compeling is if there
were a set of clear and explicit prophecies AND JC had absolutely NO knowledge of then, yet
fullfilled them anyway.
-> I don't think most people understand what a Christian is. It
->is certainly not what I see a lot in churches. Rather I think it
->should be a way of life, and a total sacrafice of everything for God's
->sake. He loved us enough to die and save us so we should do the
->same. Hey we can't do it, God himself inspires us to turn our lives
->over to him. That's tuff and most people don't want to do it, to be a
->real Christian would be something for the strong to persevere at. But
->just like weight lifting or guitar playing, drums, whatever it takes
->time. We don't rush it in one day, Christianity is your whole life.
->It is not going to church once a week, or helping poor people once in
->a while. We box everything into time units. Such as work at this
->time, sports, Tv, social life. God is above these boxes and should be
->carried with us into all these boxes that we have created for
->ourselves.
Here I agree with you. Anyone who buys into this load of mythology should take what it says
seriously, and what it says is that it must be a total way of life. I have very little respect for
Xians that don't. If the myth is true, then it is true in its entirity. The picking and choosing
that I see a lot of leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Jim
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From: Mike_Peredo@mindlink.bc.ca (Mike Peredo)
Subject: Re: "Fake" virtual reality
Organization: MIND LINK! - British Columbia, Canada
Lines: 11
The most ridiculous example of VR-exploitation I've seen so far is the
"Virtual Reality Clothing Company" which recently opened up in Vancouver. As
far as I can tell it's just another "chic" clothes spot. Although it would be
interesting if they were selling "virtual clothing"....
E-mail me if you want me to dig up their phone # and you can probably get
some promotional lit.
MP
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