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scelli#0001: It will take longer but it’s just as effective
JoshTheTechie#2808: yes @scelli forgot about those
scelli#0001: :Smart:
JoshTheTechie#2808: yeah my friend gave me my psu tester a while ago and I've never had a multimeter surprisingly
JoshTheTechie#2808: Probably why I forgot about that way of testing 😅
Xbox 360 1953#2640: This safe? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719355393393950790/20200607_210114.jpg
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I don't feel like it is
Lady Mipha#0611: @Xbox 360 1953 i would say that’s half safe
Alcyone#2233: i would put a little piece of cardboard or something under it
Lady Mipha#0611: basically something to stop vibration
BigPierogi#3368: i mean its probably fine
BigPierogi#3368: but like yea
BigPierogi#3368: add carboard
BigPierogi#3368: you dont want it vibrating a lot
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Cardbbford https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719366912626131034/20200607_214650.jpg |
Muse#0557: Properly carded
Xbox 360 1953#2640: this is my anti sag setup https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719371825959927868/unknown.png
Muse#0557: Get cash money
Xbox 360 1953#2640: i flipped ovr the cooler now
Xbox 360 1953#2640: I added a toothvrush to stop the thing from moving around https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719373870854963242/20200607_221431.jpg
gemsticks#2781: can someone help me regarding win7?
gemsticks#2781: i cant find drivers for my network adapter, which is a intel dual band ac-3168
gemsticks#2781: i did find some .exe but windows gives me the "cannot verify file" or something
gemsticks#2781: this error https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719375538137071707/image0.jpg
Argon_18#7133: @gemsticks Did you try re-installing windows 7
Argon_18#7133: Also this might help https://downloadcenter.intel.com/product/94854/Intel-Dual-Band-Wireless-AC-3168
Muse#0557: I would download the actual file
Muse#0557: And apply it manually
Gamefreak924#5901: Would anyone know why I might be having this result on my benchmark? Using an older Asus X551MAV laptop so I don't expect top speeds from the board (also can't use XMP), but this seems waaaaaay lower than it should be. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719395039851053167/Screenshot_112.png
Gamefreak924#5901: Also not sure if it's because it doesn't officially support 8GB RAM, only 4GB. But all 8 show up so I don't know. |
Muse#0557: Why are you using userbenchmark
Gamefreak924#5901: yeah
Muse#0557: Wdym yeh
Muse#0557: I asked why
Gamefreak924#5901: oh why? Because it's quick and easy?
Muse#0557: Is inaccurate as hell
Gamefreak924#5901: what's a better benchmarking software?
Gamefreak924#5901: everything else seems accurate
Gamefreak924#5901: https://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/29138362 as in my laptop is bad lol
Muse#0557: Its painfully outdated it loves low core counts at high clockspeeds
Lumaterian#3557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719397300933361756/userbenchmark.gif
Muse#0557: Ty
Muse#0557: Honestly it's like running 3dmark06 to gage a systems performance
Gamefreak924#5901: this is a craptop
Gamefreak924#5901: but ok |
Muse#0557: Doesn't matter
Lumaterian#3557: my 2080 ti must be good, look how high my 3dmark vantage score is
Muse#0557: Inaccurate is inaccurate
Muse#0557: Use a mix of cinebench
Muse#0557: Crystal Disk
Muse#0557: And actual in game bechmarks
Muse#0557: Also on the high end simulation renders
Gamefreak924#5901: I just want one singular application
Lumaterian#3557: passmark or pcmark are better choices
Muse#0557: There isn't a magical app that tells you everything
Gamefreak924#5901: userbenchmark
Lumaterian#3557: except it tells you incorrect info
Muse#0557: It's rubbish
Lumaterian#3557: you're literally worse off than not running it
Lumaterian#3557: though their memory and storage tests are legit iirc |
Lumaterian#3557: but anything that can have brand bias 100% does
Gamefreak924#5901: memory
Lumaterian#3557: those guys suck intel/nvidia's dicks so hard there's no point
Gamefreak924#5901: is basically all I need to know
Muse#0557: If you're running a crap top
Lumaterian#3557: aida64 has a good memory tester
Muse#0557: What exactly are you trying to find out
Gamefreak924#5901: :/ never mind
Muse#0557: It's just a question
Muse#0557: We are giving you much better alternatives
Gamefreak924#5901: why my memory is showing to be performing so badly on the benchmark
Lumaterian#3557: because it's in single channel
Muse#0557: Single channel DDR3 1333 isn't going to be great
Gamefreak924#5901: but that bad?
Muse#0557: Dual channel is huge |
Lumaterian#3557: well the way usermeme's score %age is calculated
Gamefreak924#5901: well alrighty
Lumaterian#3557: is they take their 'ideal system' and bench the ratings against that
Lumaterian#3557: which I would assume is a 9900K and 2080 Ti
Muse#0557: Which is absolutely ridiculous to try and compare a Threadripper against
Muse#0557: When the app uses like 2 cores
Muse#0557: And likes high clocks
Lumaterian#3557: your ssd is easily worth 2x as much as the whole laptop
Gamefreak924#5901: would you guys know anything else I can do to speed up my laptop more? For whatever reason, it seems to be performing way slower when doing tasks like loading streams/videos recently
Muse#0557: Specs?
Gamefreak924#5901: I have all the windows settings changed for performance
Lumaterian#3557: it's a 2c 5w mobile celeron
Lumaterian#3557: you can't speed it up
Gamefreak924#5901: specs were in the userbench
Muse#0557: The link won't load :/ |
Gamefreak924#5901: N2830 CPU, 8GB RAM, Samsung 850 EVO
Lumaterian#3557: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/81071/intel-celeron-processor-n2830-1m-cache-up-to-2-41-ghz.html
Muse#0557: Yeh you aren't speeding that up
Lumaterian#3557: cpu is actual trash
Muse#0557: It's the cheapest of the cheap
Muse#0557: It's like a 15 year old pentium
Lumaterian#3557: it's slower than a good core 2 duo
Muse#0557: Honestly its probably closer to a pentium D
Lumaterian#3557: on something like windows xp, it'll do fine
Lumaterian#3557: but for 10, good luck
Muse#0557: They put them in windows 10 laptops
Muse#0557: Honestly cheap laptops are getting slower
Muse#0557: Like cheap cheap
Gamefreak924#5901: ouch
Lumaterian#3557: yep, idk how they justify those cheap machines |
Muse#0557: They allocate the budget to 8gb of ram and emmc instead
Lumaterian#3557: I have a chromebook with one of those cpus
Gamefreak924#5901: the cheap ones now have quad cores though
Lumaterian#3557: and with more than 2 tabs it chugs
Muse#0557: Emmc degrades combined with performance so within 3 years they are pure ewaste
Lady Mipha#0611: ^^^^
Lady Mipha#0611: emmc becomes slower than HDD’s
Gamefreak924#5901: that's an interesting bit of info
Muse#0557: I'm a big advocate of buying 2nd hand
Muse#0557: It's a win win
Muse#0557: And people who are buying cheap things can't be snobs about "eww it's used"
Muse#0557: In fact nobody should be tbh
Muse#0557: Imagine judging people for spending their money well
Gamefreak924#5901: refurb and open box is okay
Lumaterian#3557: yeah anyone who says 'eww it's used' is objectively wrong, when it comes to pc parts |
Muse#0557: Then gamefreak is wrong
Lumaterian#3557: who lol
Gamefreak924#5901: used keyboards is why you don't buy a used laptop
Muse#0557: Just went against our point
Muse#0557: If it bothers you that much
Muse#0557: Spend 5 minutes cleaning it
Gamefreak924#5901: dude
Lumaterian#3557: or, get a replacement keyboard
Lumaterian#3557: lots of laptops you just pop em out
Gamefreak924#5901: shiny greasy keys
Lumaterian#3557: are no match for a cleaning
Gamefreak924#5901: chips and hair
Lumaterian#3557: canned air
Muse#0557: You're being lazy
Lumaterian#3557: or a vacuum |
Gamefreak924#5901: you don't know what I've seen when parting out laptops
Muse#0557: Because I've never seen a laptop keyboard
Gamefreak924#5901: hah
Muse#0557: Fella I've turnt yellow plastic white again
Gamefreak924#5901: it's part of my job
Muse#0557: With effort it's fine
Gamefreak924#5901: not when you've seen the worst
Gamefreak924#5901: but okay
Lumaterian#3557: but tbh, if a used laptop is that dirty just don't buy it
Lumaterian#3557: doesn't mean new is the only option
Gamefreak924#5901: I'm heading to bed now. Goodnight. Thanks for the info before.
Gamefreak924#5901: And also, I said refurb and open box is okay
Lumaterian#3557: that's Mostly New™️
Muse#0557: Refurb is just used cleaned up and repaired fella
Muse#0557: Smh |
Muse#0557: My brain
Lumaterian#3557: lol
Lumaterian#3557: I've had open box stuff where I couldn't tell it had been used before
Lumaterian#3557: refurb stuff too
Muse#0557: Beggars trying to be not only choosers... But condemning things
Muse#0557: Just hurts
wiryfuture🦀#1706: y'all can stop crying over having dirt or dust on used shite, the pc I bought had 10 years of dust in it and it took me over 6 hours to clean completely :Hahahahaha:
Muse#0557: I wasn't
Muse#0557: You little tool
wiryfuture🦀#1706: ⚒️
Juryfury#6020: yo guys i have a question... Does it matter if you have an 8 pin power conector on your graphics card and you connect a 6 pin on it ? I thought it wouldnt work but my friend says it worked for him for years until his motherboard dyed... I never thought about doing such a thing it just sounds wrong so does it make any noticable diference and does it have anything to do with the motherboard dying?
MythologicalZ#3752: 8pin just has extra sense pins
MythologicalZ#3752: some cards can work with just a 6 but its always a gamble
MythologicalZ#3752: doubt it has anything to do with the board dying
wiryfuture🦀#1706: If it works with 6/8, I'd expect the only *draw*back would be that.. it can't *draw* as much power so might have system instability at high load |
MythologicalZ#3752: if a card has a single 8 its generally not going to draw that much power
wiryfuture🦀#1706: Is there a difference between this ink
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4x100ml-Printer-Refill-INK-for-Canon-Pixma-mg2150-mg2200-mg2250-mg3150-mg3250/233351270866
and this ink ?
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/4-x-100ml-Printer-Ciss-Refill-Ink-Bottle-For-Epson-HP-Canon-Kit/373074796939
wiryfuture🦀#1706: as far as i can tell they're the same??
wiryfuture🦀#1706: but i'm kinda confused with how it says cannon
wiryfuture🦀#1706: is that just marketing shite to make people that search for cannon blah blah to find it
estr0#0019: Hey guys, I joined the server because the first thing that came to mind when I think "AMD Athlon 64" is Budget Builds
estr0#0019: Basically, I have an old Dell Dimension e521, and the processor is screwed. Bent pins, stuck to the heatsink with thermal paste. It's an Athlon 64 5000+, and I'm wondering if any of you know if the Athlon 64 5000B would be compatible?
estr0#0019: It's the same socket, so it should be, but I just wanna make sure
estr0#0019: If anyone could help me out it'd be much appreciated!
wiryfuture🦀#1706: @estr0 If the socket is the same, it should work. **However**, it would be wise to check if the motherboard needs a bios update before you can use that cpu.
wiryfuture🦀#1706: Since they're both ``Brisbane``, they should work interchangeably
vegetal#8870: ew brisbane |
estr0#0019: Last BIOS update was in 2007 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719539672128159814/unknown.png
estr0#0019: I can't check if it needs a BIOS update as there's not a processor in there and it won't boot without one.
estr0#0019: It probably does, manufactured in 2006. No way of updating it though.
estr0#0019: Screw it, I'll buy the same processor
estr0#0019: It's Windsor actually
estr0#0019: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/719546706592661534/unknown.png
vegetal#8870: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Athlon%2064%20X2%205000+%20-%20ADO5000IAA5DO%20(ADO5000DOBOX).html
vegetal#8870: says brisbane
vegetal#8870: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/K8/AMD-Athlon%2064%20X2%205000B%20-%20ADO500BIAA5DO.html
estr0#0019: no, that's not the model
estr0#0019: the EXACT model is windsor
estr0#0019: ADA5000IAA5CU
vegetal#8870: oh huh
Argon_18#7133: So anyone know why some of my files randomly lost their icons and won't open with the correct program anymore if I just double click on them from the desktop or the folder they're stored in?
DarknessFalls229#2286: did you move the directories to which the shortcuts referred to? |
Argon_18#7133: Oh, I might have
Argon_18#7133: Ya I think I did
Argon_18#7133: oops
DarknessFalls229#2286: welp theres your issue
DarknessFalls229#2286: either move them back or create new/edit the shortcuts
Argon_18#7133: K
Cody#0117: Anyone tried Aliexpress Ryzen CPU’s?
Cody#0117: Also now back with the Medion motherboard, now have 2x 4 GB in it and still only regonizes 4 of the 8 GB, slots and modules themselves are fine. Kindof running out of ideas as I can’t find any bios updates for it and Medion isn’t helpful at all
JustinXenyx#8854: @Cody i've ordered a couple for friends, so far they haven't experienced any issues with them
D.D.M#8226: So my gtx 550 ti doesnt want to work on a 16x pcie connector but works with the 4x connector on the bottom of my mobo even tho it supports 16x?
D.D.M#8226: Also would a 16x pcie connector be able to recognize any pcie device plugged in?
Alcyone#2233: @Cody
If you've tried a dimm in the slots individually to ensure they are all working, and tested all the dimms in a working slot. I don't know what would be the issue.
Only possible problem I could see is they are mixed dimms/density and for some reason that was causing it. Or some bios issue |
Cody#0117: > @Cody
> If you've tried a dimm in the slots individually to ensure they are all working, and tested all the dimms in a working slot. I don't know what would be the issue.
>
> Only possible problem I could see is they are mixed dimms/density and for some reason that was causing it. Or some bios issue
@Alcyone Bios issue seems the most likely 4x2 GB also regonizes 4 GB
Bogi76#3090: should i go for RX 570 or 480?
Bogi76#3090: both are 4GB VRAM version cause that is best i can get for my budget
Lumaterian#3557: 480 is faster
Lumaterian#3557: plus you can oc it
Bogi76#3090: hmm k
Bogi76#3090: any particular one i should look for?
Bogi76#3090: like MSI Gaming X or smth
JustinXenyx#8854: not any particular ones to look out for
JustinXenyx#8854: they aren't too different unless you are an extreme overclocker
Bogi76#3090: hmm k tnx for tip |
Bogi76#3090: i mean i usually max i go in terms of overclocking is like mild overclock
Bogi76#3090: nothing too extreme
boog#9487: My tv has a line that runs down the screen and changes color every now and again
boog#9487: Is it the panel or the control boards maybe the ribbion cable connections?
JustinXenyx#8854: Do you have video of the line? @boog
boog#9487: Nope now the tv won't turn on
boog#9487: It's on
boog#9487: Wait no it's being erratic
boog#9487: Based on the fact it tells my computer there's a monitor plugged in ever few seconds I would say a board is dead probably the control board (the one with the inputs)
JustinXenyx#8854: Based on that i would estimate the panel isn't the issue either
boog#9487: Yeah
boog#9487: I'm thinking the big boi controller board
JustinXenyx#8854: the panel is only really problematic when that is broken, like when you crack it or some shit
boog#9487: Ye
Muse#0557: Really does sound like something giving way |
boog#9487: Like a capacitor or a board completely?
boog#9487: Or maybe just a connection
boog#9487: I gotta go on a walk but I'll be back in 15-20 minutes
gemsticks#2781: would a ryzen 7 2700 + 1050ti be a bottleneck?
gemsticks#2781: just asking to be safe before i upgrade my cpu
JustinXenyx#8854: It's not a bottleneck in the bad way @gemsticks
gemsticks#2781: huh
JustinXenyx#8854: Having your GPU bottlenecked by your CPU is horrifying, but a CPU being bottlenecked by the GPU rarely is an issue, especially in like gaming
gemsticks#2781: so if i were to go for it, it would work right?
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah it would run fine
gemsticks#2781: since this ryzen 3 1200 is not going well for some games
gemsticks#2781: or
gemsticks#2781: i could get a ryzen 5 3600 instead
gemsticks#2781: and that would work better right?
JustinXenyx#8854: R5 3600 would probably work more in your favor, as the better IPC helps more than the extra cores would on the R7 2700 |
gemsticks#2781: got it
gemsticks#2781: but if i were to upgrade my cpu, which one should i ideally go for?
JustinXenyx#8854: Definitely the R5 3600
gemsticks#2781: but isnt that a bit of a bottleneck?
gemsticks#2781: id rather go for r5 2600 if thats the case
JustinXenyx#8854: Again, it's not a bad bottleneck really
JustinXenyx#8854: Being GPU limited isn't a bad thing in most cases
JustinXenyx#8854: But getting raped because your CPU sucks ass is a nightmare
gemsticks#2781: yeah but id rather go for r5 2600 to be safe or whatnot
gemsticks#2781: and yeah i know, rpcs3 showed me that
gemsticks#2781: thats why i just need a 6-core ryzen
JustinXenyx#8854: if you're emulating PS3 i would definitely pick the 3600 over the 2600
JustinXenyx#8854: PS3 emulation needs a fuck ton of CPU power
gemsticks#2781: so i should go for the r5 3600
gemsticks#2781: oh well yolo |
Muse#0557: 3600 is the best for gaming
Muse#0557: Like Justin said best for PS3 emulation out of your options
gemsticks#2781: got it
gemsticks#2781: since i mainly emulate games after all, might as well go for it
gemsticks#2781: Honest question though
gemsticks#2781: what ryzen cpu is best paired with the 1050 ti?
CaptainFlanger#2563: Ain't Justin already told you that?
gemsticks#2781: i just wanna hear others opinions
gemsticks#2781: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mish#5687: my 1050 + i5-7500 + 24gb is a horryfying bottleneck
gemsticks#2781: gpu or cpu bottleneck?
The United States Air Force#7904: Lol
The United States Air Force#7904: Gpu
Muse#0557: Don't think about what to pair with a 1050 ti
Muse#0557: Think about the best cpu for the money |
Muse#0557: Then a Gpu to go with that in the future
Muse#0557: @gemsticks
Baus#4058: i have a i5 4460 with a 1050ti and the gpu is still the bottleneck
Muse#0557: "Muse is right" - Baus
Baus#4058: exactly
Baus#4058: 1050ti is surprisingly weak and did not age well at all
Baus#4058: i got 60fps from 750ti till the day i replaced it, the 1050ti is struggling with newer games
The United States Air Force#7904: Rlly
The United States Air Force#7904: Wow
Muse#0557: Honestly pascal and polarsis have really lame low end gpus
Muse#0557: Also the 1050 ti retained msrp for way too long
Muse#0557: They still go for £130 new
Muse#0557: Which is rx 570 territory
Baus#4058: there is a sale on a rx 5500xt for 130$
Baus#4058: somewhere i forgot but i saw it on reddit pc sales |
Muse#0557: That's really good
boog#9487: I'm gonna provide a bit more information on my Samsung UN65JU650DF it will not turn on and the power light is blinking weirdly seemingly random brightness and such and sometimes it will pulse but almost always off for a bit (or on at a low brightness and then brightens 6 and dims six times) then 6 blinks repeat. it seems to be turning off and on rapidly as my computer when connected keeps detecting it every 10 or so seconds. I have tried unplugging it and holding the power button, slapping it lightly in different places, mashing the power button, and waiting. It did show the smart TV logo once after waiting a good bit before turning off again and doing the same thing again. This never happened again. It worked for awhile before this happened I had just picked up this tv used for cheap and want to fix it. All help is appreciated. Before this happened I had no sound through the speakers and a line down the screen that changed color a few times and seemed to go away that one time it turned on a showed the logo.
boog#9487: Any ideas of what could be going bad
D.D.M#8226: It either could be a corrupted rom or a part in the tv possibly died
D.D.M#8226: Unless you find out what to do i would suggest you to get it serviced by a professional
gemsticks#2781: alright r5 3600 it is
gemsticks#2781: as long as the 1050ti doesnt effect me too much in emulation
boog#9487: @D.D.M i got the thing for free its not like im losing a huge amount of money
boog#9487: tomorrow im gonna open it up and check all the connections and if that doesn't work im gonna check the power board for leaky caps
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I think my Virgin Media router is dying
wiryfuture🦀#1706: the wifi light is flashing green
wiryfuture🦀#1706: it has been doing this for like an hour
wiryfuture🦀#1706: nothing is wrong
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I think the firmware might not be happy with having 16 clients total
wiryfuture🦀#1706: (because it's a shite router) |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/720019046392922133/unknown.png
Silentdragon#6383: if the WiFi is working it's probably nothing to worry about
Silentdragon#6383: but routers can be weird sometimes
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I've googled it and on their forums apparently it's a bug
wiryfuture🦀#1706: yeah over half a year old https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/720021066373660763/unknown.png
Lady Mipha#0611: stick tape :haha:
Sentient Potato#6003: Isnt all tape sticky though?
boog#9487: Some tape aint
boog#9487: Some tape only sticks to itself it's friggen weird
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Teflon tape isn't sticky.
gemsticks#2781: question
gemsticks#2781: for ps3/wii/3ds/ps2 emulation, which cpu is better
gemsticks#2781: ryzen 5 3600 or ryzen 7 2700?
gemsticks#2781: i have a 1050ti so i really dont care about the gpu bottleneck
gemsticks#2781: im inching more towards the 3600, but curious about others opiions |
Alcyone#2233: 3600
Muse#0557: Emulators love clocks
DarknessFalls229#2286: did you answer your own question or something?
DarknessFalls229#2286: cause i was waiting to respond
Tinybox#9112: Quick question;
Should I get a new Corsair VS350 (THE NEW EDITION OF COURSE, warranty and everything) for 14 euros?
Or a used one for 10 euros (THE NEW EDITION OF COURSE)
vegetal#8870: 14 euros
Muse#0557: Get both
Muse#0557: Those are good prices
Muse#0557: Where are you finding these
Tinybox#9112: @Muse one employee at a store offered me the new one, they getting rid of stock.
the used one is just local
Muse#0557: I would pick up tbh
Muse#0557: Good if you ever throw a pc together to sell |
Tinybox#9112: @Muse I'm just getting one for an i5 2500 (non k) and a GTX 460Ti @uv quick 50 euro PC that I was suppose to make 6 Months ago, but the uh pandemic killed the market.
Yea ill wait for the 2nd guy (local) to respond, and see if I can pick it up, I dunno what I will do with the 2nd one, yet...but eh.
thatubuntuguy#5914: Ay lads
thatubuntuguy#5914: Having some issues with my T440P
thatubuntuguy#5914: I am trying to change the clunkpad for the t450 clickpad
thatubuntuguy#5914: If i boot with the new clickpad (its synaptics) i get a 3-3-1 beep code
thatubuntuguy#5914: I'm going to try updating bios but its a PITA because I need a disc or smth
thatubuntuguy#5914: Ribbon cable is intact because if I connect the old clunkpad the laptop boots normally and the clunkpad works still
thatubuntuguy#5914: Nvm it is booting now
thatubuntuguy#5914: All working, I think it was just a dodgy connection
gemsticks#2781: so my friend uses a really old pc with 8gb ram, i5 750 and a GeForce 210
gemsticks#2781: what’s a good gpu to get that won’t bottleneck his cpu
JustinXenyx#8854: what is it with you trying to get GPUs that won't bottleneck a CPU
JustinXenyx#8854: Like i've said before, a limited CPU isn't even slightly as bad as a GPU that is being limited by a bad CPU
JustinXenyx#8854: Because in this case the CPU is going to limit a LOT of newer cards |
Baus#4058: i5 750 is still surprisingly a good cpu
Baus#4058: relatively speaking
Xbox 360 1953#2640: no
gemsticks#2781: no I meant as in like
gemsticks#2781: say if he got a gtx 1050 or something
gemsticks#2781: wouldn’t the cpu be limited
JustinXenyx#8854: Nope
JustinXenyx#8854: the GPU would be limited
Baus#4058: na 1050 would be good
gemsticks#2781: I’m fine with gpu bottlenecks, but cpu bottlenecks are christ
Baus#4058: its a weak card
gemsticks#2781: also I probably worry too much so sorry
JustinXenyx#8854: > I’m fine with gpu bottlenecks, but cpu bottlenecks are christ
I think you're using the wrong wording
gemsticks#2781: yeah I am |
gemsticks#2781: :Xdxdxd:
JustinXenyx#8854: GPU Bottleneck = the GPU is the limiting factor
JustinXenyx#8854: CPU Bottleneck = the CPU is the limiting factor
gemsticks#2781: ok so I’d prefer a GPU bottleneck than a CPU bottleneck
gemsticks#2781: cpu bottlenecks are nightmares from what I’ve seen
JustinXenyx#8854: > na 1050 would be good
you're overestimating how shit the i5 750 is nowadays
JustinXenyx#8854: first gen Core i and only 4 cores doesn't mix well
JustinXenyx#8854: If a 4 core chip from Skylake already has massive issues with moderately newer programs, a first generation Core i chip is gonna fare MUCH worse
Baus#4058: mate the 1050 non ti is really no bueno
gemsticks#2781: apologies for asking about bottlenecks though, I’m probably too worried since I’m new to the world of PCs
gemsticks#2781: :Xdxdxd:
thatubuntuguy#5914: We all learn dw
Baus#4058: i have the 1050ti and the 4th gen i5 i have barely breaks 40% in games
Baus#4058: even in csgo the gpu is the bottleneck |
Baus#4058: and thats saying alot
thatubuntuguy#5914: My system with 2500k and rx 470 is still gpu bottlenecked
thatubuntuguy#5914: As Justin is saying gpu bottleneck is pretty much normal
Baus#4058: cpus really aged really well
thatubuntuguy#5914: Yeah, especially the 4c8t stuff
JustinXenyx#8854: first gen Core i aged like major trash
Baus#4058: especially second and third gen intel
thatubuntuguy#5914: Here comes alcyone :Hahahahaha:
Alcyone#2233: make sure whatever card you get has legacy bios
thatubuntuguy#5914: Anyone mentions 2nd and 3rd gen and he's right there
thatubuntuguy#5914: 1155 gang
Baus#4058: i honestly regret going from 3rd gen to 4th gen
Baus#4058: was so dumb i expected alot more oomph
JustinXenyx#8854: > even in csgo the gpu is the bottleneck
idk what kinda settings you using in CS:GO, but that game is more CPU than GPU reliant |
Baus#4058: nope
JustinXenyx#8854: 4th gen is in this weird "this would be decent, if not massively overpriced" phase and it doesn't seem like it will get out of that in the next while
Baus#4058: where im from i5 still sell for 200$
Baus#4058: 4th gen
Alcyone#2233: thats about the price of an i7k here
Baus#4058: and sellers seem to think that the cryptocurrency boom still is strong since an rx 480 is over 500$
Baus#4058: yay
Baus#4058: i can honestly send links to online seller and you still won't believe me
gemsticks#2781: regardless, what a good gpu to pair with an i5 750
gemsticks#2781: since I assume GeForce 210 is outdated as shit
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah it is lol
JustinXenyx#8854: Depending on where you live, a used RX4/570 is most likely the best option
JustinXenyx#8854: And he could use that card when he upgrades to a newer platform aswell
Alcyone#2233: does the persons psu have ext power connectors?
gemsticks#2781: It’s my friend so I gotta ask |
gemsticks#2781: plus the pc still runs windows 7 so
Baus#4058: maybe go one gen back and go 950?
Baus#4058: not gonna argue since i dont exactly know its performance
JustinXenyx#8854: 950 barely makes any sense
thatubuntuguy#5914: 950 is considerably weaker than rx 470 if i understand correctly
thatubuntuguy#5914: not worth it
JustinXenyx#8854: In most cases overpriced and you would still need external power for it
Alcyone#2233: 950 isnt much ahead of 750 ti
thatubuntuguy#5914: could go older gcn if they have the psu and are on a tight budget
thatubuntuguy#5914: but if they can afford it a used rx 470 is their best bet
Baus#4058: o yea the 750ti
Alcyone#2233: if youre using an i5 750 and gt 210, youre on a tight budget
Baus#4058: that would pair nice
thatubuntuguy#5914: fair enough :Hahahahaha:
Baus#4058: no ext power |
Alcyone#2233: molex?
JustinXenyx#8854: a bit risky for an RX570 imo
Alcyone#2233: i was thinking a single 6 pin card
JustinXenyx#8854: RX570 is single 6 pin
JustinXenyx#8854: But the thing with the molex adapters is that they'd have to pull all 12V power over a single wire
JustinXenyx#8854: Which isn't really recommended
Alcyone#2233: prob fine then, its gonna pull 75w from the pcie slot
Baus#4058: now you can get a molex to 6 pin but i wong trust a psu without a 6pin
Baus#4058: that's either very old psu or some proprietary one for a pre built
Alcyone#2233: maybe a 950/960 wouldn't be too bad then. maybe a 750 ti if they arent overpriced
Alcyone#2233: 960 is 120w i think and 950 is 90, that should only be 45w over a molex, 15w for 950
Alcyone#2233: rx 460/560 could be an option too
thatubuntuguy#5914: rx 470 is like 90w card
thatubuntuguy#5914: 75 over pcie
thatubuntuguy#5914: 15 over molex, shouldn't be too bad right? |
Alcyone#2233: that would be fine
Alcyone#2233: that is hardly>1 amp
Alcyone#2233: so like 3-4 fans
thatubuntuguy#5914: online its rated at 120w
thatubuntuguy#5914: but my rx 470 definitely pulls less
thatubuntuguy#5914: amd drivers show about 80-90 watts
Alcyone#2233: could undervolt and limit PL as well
thatubuntuguy#5914: ^
Baus#4058: well to ask someone with an rx470
Baus#4058: is it worth getting or no?
JustinXenyx#8854: > rx 470 is like 90w card
AMD is laughing in the corner right now, knowing fully well their cards drew 90w from the PCIe slot ALONE at launch :Hahahahaha: @thatubuntuguy
Baus#4058: im thinking of ditching the 1050 but im a bit lost what to get
JustinXenyx#8854: 470/570 is a decent card, but it depends on how much it is
Alcyone#2233: id get at least a 480/580 if you are coming from a 1050 |
Baus#4058: if im gonna buy im gonna get them from ebay or amazon
Baus#4058: prices are much more reasonable
Baus#4058: so rx 580 is good or is it more sensible to go full beans with rx 5600
JustinXenyx#8854: RX5600XT wouldn't make a lot of sense unless you plan to upgrade your CPU as well in the coming months
Baus#4058: im waiting for 4th gen ryzen
Alcyone#2233: i wouldnt bother with rdna1 tbh
Alcyone#2233: get a $100 polaris and should be good for 1080p. get a better gpu later. this winter will have new gpu launches from both mfgs
Baus#4058: sounds reasonable
Baus#4058: my monitor is 1080p after all
thatubuntuguy#5914: @JustinXenyx :haha: lmao
Ramiere#1840: Ever since building my new pc it shuts off immediately after pressing the power button like kills all power and sometimes when i turn it on it starts the fans for a split second but doesn’t turn on.
I can live with this but does it harm my components at all?
JoshTheTechie#2808: I've had pc's in the past do a similar thing and there problems where the motherboards in them where broken but they did not turn on at all. yours might be something different |
JoshTheTechie#2808: I'm sure someone on here knows what's going on and will know more about it but going off my experience it could be an issue with the motherboard
JustinXenyx#8854: Something is being shorted @Ramiere
JustinXenyx#8854: And yes, this has the potential to harm your components
JoshTheTechie#2808: have you looked if the motherboard is shorting by touching the case?
JoshTheTechie#2808: i know a few people who have left screws out on boards at the back of the motherboard touching the metal caused a short
Ramiere#1840: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/720414523399602269/image0.jpg
Ramiere#1840: Nope nothing
Ramiere#1840: Maybe the hard drive touched it or something?
JoshTheTechie#2808: no it can touch that metal in the pc case if there isn't enough screws in the board or not enough to stop contact between the motherboard and the metal of the case
JoshTheTechie#2808: but if its not that another component is shorting out and as @JustinXenyx it can does have to potential to harm your components
BigPierogi#3368: first question
BigPierogi#3368: did you wire your button correct
JoshTheTechie#2808: that's true @BigPierogi as his case might have a restart button like most new cases
wiryfuture🦀#1706: what does having a restart button have to do with something being shorted
wiryfuture🦀#1706: > Maybe the hard drive touched it or something? |
This isn't the verge pc guide, your components are supposed to be in the case, not floating, so it's fine if your hard drive is touching your case
wiryfuture🦀#1706: A pc I once got my hands on would power off because the audio cable was connected to audio_link instead of *hd* audio because the pinout looked similar, maybe you wired something up incorrectly by accident
Ramiere#1840: My usb connector has 2 extra pins for grounding maybe thats it
Ramiere#1840: @JoshTheTechie my case is super old
Ramiere#1840: With my old set up when i pressed it it would say shutting down and power off as if i clicked power off button on the windows screen. This one just kills power.
Ramiere#1840: And i meant touching the mobo not that case
Muse#0557: Anybody here in the UK or Europe selling pc parts?
Lumaterian#3557: I'm in neither of those places but I am selling
Muse#0557: If the shipping isn't too bad I might still be interested
Muse#0557: If its the us that's a DOA
Lumaterian#3557: I am murica
Muse#0557: Deaded
gemsticks#2781: I asked a similar question early today, but what’s a good NVIDIA gpu to pair with an i5 750?
gemsticks#2781: I got “RX 470” last time, but my friend wants an nvidia gpu
Lumaterian#3557: 1st gen i5 is hot garbage |
Racey#8574: first gen as a whole is hot garbage
gemsticks#2781: yeah but still asking
gemsticks#2781: he needs to replace his gt 210 first
Racey#8574: Probably the GTX 970 at best
Racey#8574: A tech helper will probably give the best feedback
gemsticks#2781: time to wait!!!
gemsticks#2781: thanks anyways, appreciate it
gemsticks#2781: if it helps my friend lives in the US
MythologicalZ#3752: You're going to end up paying for more for similar performance to a 470
MythologicalZ#3752: No reason to go Nvidia at the low end
thatubuntuguy#5914: @Ramiere This sounds weird but try seeing if you've overtightened the motherboard screws
thatubuntuguy#5914: I built this £2000 pc for my school's racing team's simulator and it wouldn't boot - thought the motherboard was dead
thatubuntuguy#5914: turns out i had accidentally over tightened one of the motherboard screws
thatubuntuguy#5914: it must have shorted the entire motherboard out
thatubuntuguy#5914: but loosening it a bit fixed it and it booted right up |
thatubuntuguy#5914: I know it's a little different in your case but i think its still worth trying
Muse#0557: How would a 3550 handle cemu
Muse#0557: Specifically botw
DarknessFalls229#2286: @Muse probably fine? i ran BoTW on my Q6600 @3.6GHz with 6GBs of DDR2 and an r9 270x at 20+ FPS with vulkan 7020p
DarknessFalls229#2286: Q6600 was around 80-90% utilization and r9 270 at 40-60%
DarknessFalls229#2286: i might've used not the most optimal GPU drivers though
Muse#0557: Hoping to get a full 60 though
Muse#0557: We're you using all fps hooks
DarknessFalls229#2286: think so yeah
DarknessFalls229#2286: what GPU you planning on?
DarknessFalls229#2286: Also, what are you looking to buy?
Muse#0557: 570, 1060 sorta tier
DarknessFalls229#2286: might be better to go nvidia and openGL for now as i dont think vulkan has precompiled shadercache
Muse#0557: 570s are half the cost of a 1060 at this point
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmmmmm |
Muse#0557: Seems like a bad call to pick that for one game
DarknessFalls229#2286: yeah
DarknessFalls229#2286: and with asynchronous compute shadercaching isnt that laggy anymore
DarknessFalls229#2286: i should put my shoddy 690 on my testbench and test FPS with that
Muse#0557: Double kepler is double trouble
Lady Mipha#0611: :trolled:
DarknessFalls229#2286: yeah, but ive done it before, and cemu doesnt really wanna work on my dual xeon system
Muse#0557: I'd be going something ivy
Muse#0557: And 570
Muse#0557: For I'd say around 120
Muse#0557: Mobo, cpu, Gpu and ram upgrade
DarknessFalls229#2286: hmmmm your i5 would be about 30%+ faster than my Q6600 so that would already be a performance uplift
DarknessFalls229#2286: need to get proper drivers to see the actual performance of my Q6600 though
Muse#0557: I5 3550 is a bit more than 30% faster
DarknessFalls229#2286: remember, i run mine at 3.6GHz |
DarknessFalls229#2286: thats literally 50% over base
Muse#0557: That's fair
DarknessFalls229#2286: i tried more than 3.6 but it crashes at 3.8 instantly
DarknessFalls229#2286: ill try on my other board maybe another time
DarknessFalls229#2286: @Muse are you gonna play with keyboard, KB&M or controller?
Muse#0557: Bit of both
DarknessFalls229#2286: keyboard only is a little hard to control, but keyboard and mouse is pretty nice, but you need an emulator to use it
Muse#0557: Yep
DarknessFalls229#2286: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/720610559959236628/unknown.png
Muse#0557: Gonna pick up a switch lite at some point tii
Muse#0557: Too
DarknessFalls229#2286: i really want a switch
DarknessFalls229#2286: but im spendin all my money on pc parts
Muse#0557: Same especially with borderlands on the go
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I can't get to my bios |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: my computer boots into windows fine, but if i spam del/f2/f10 the screen stays blank
wiryfuture🦀#1706: i'm not seeing the standard oem image at boot either
wiryfuture🦀#1706: it just stays black and then windows
wiryfuture🦀#1706: how do i get into my bios?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: there's no option in window's advanced boot options to go into uefi settings
Muse#0557: Unplug storage
Muse#0557: It normally spends more time hanging trying to look for a boot device
Muse#0557: Also making sure the pc is properly off helps
Muse#0557: It'll take longer to boot
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I can't unplug storage if I want to install an os 😅
wiryfuture🦀#1706: apparently there's another way to bget into uefi from windows
Muse#0557: USB should be prioritised by default
Muse#0557: And boot into that :/
wiryfuture🦀#1706: what the fuck
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I clicked into advanced start up options in the windows "advanced boot options" menu and clicked restart and all I have is a black screen |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: my screen goes black when I try boot off a linux usb as well
Muse#0557: That's not good
Muse#0557: Have you tried clearing the cmos?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: yeah I'm going to try that in a sec
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I still can't get into the bios
wiryfuture🦀#1706: this is cringe
Muse#0557: Cronk
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I give up i'll just save up for ryzen
thatubuntuguy#5914: hey guys what's a good motherboard for the 3700x
MythologicalZ#3752: virtually anything b450
MythologicalZ#3752: msi for vrms, asus for bios, try to avoid giga and asrock is for when the first two are oos
thatubuntuguy#5914: epic
thatubuntuguy#5914: thanks
gemsticks#2781: question, would a ryzen 5 3600 work with an asus prime a320m-a?
gemsticks#2781: this motherboard spiecfically |
gemsticks#2781: <https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/PRIME-A320M-A/HelpDesk_CPU/>
Lady Mipha#0611: yeah but a320 is the worst board gen there is @gemsticks
Lumaterian#3557: ^
Lumaterian#3557: yes but don't
TheFifthAce#4128: and dont get an asus prime
gemsticks#2781: i currently use it
gemsticks#2781: thats why im asking lol
gemsticks#2781: if i do getthe ryzen 5 3600, will i have to do anything special to the bios?
gemsticks#2781: i already updated it to the latest
gemsticks#2781: oh i get it
gemsticks#2781: nvm but thanks for the help anyways
gemsticks#2781: probably will still be able to handle ps3 emulation i hope
gemsticks#2781: but ill have to upgrade the gpu p soon
gemsticks#2781: but is using the ryzen 5 3600 gonna cause any problems with my mobo?
gemsticks#2781: other than 3.6ghz clock |
gemsticks#2781: ok i looked it up and appreatly the tempreatures can rise alot
gemsticks#2781: is this true or nah
gemsticks#2781: if so i may just go for another cpu
Muse#0557: I don't see any issues happening at stock
Muse#0557: The 3600 has the same tdp as the ryzen 5s that came out at the same time as a320
gemsticks#2781: might as well get it
MythologicalZ#3752: 3600 will be fine on a320, would just need bios update
MythologicalZ#3752: But that really is a shit tier board
thatubuntuguy#5914: Is drp4 suitable for 3700x or would it be better to go aio
thatubuntuguy#5914: Making list for a friend
gemsticks#2781: yeah i know its not very good
gemsticks#2781: but i was just worried if it would do anything bad
gemsticks#2781: ill probably replace the motherboard once i get a better gpu
MythologicalZ#3752: Either is fine for a 3700x
MythologicalZ#3752: Would go air for long term, AIO gay |
TheFifthAce#4128: aio stinky
TheFifthAce#4128: drp4 is over the top
Lumaterian#3557: fuck aio
Lumaterian#3557: drp4 overkill
Lumaterian#3557: get shadow rock 2 or 3
Lumaterian#3557: they're much cheaper and still probably overkill
thatubuntuguy#5914: drp4 it is then
thatubuntuguy#5914: :Hahahahaha:
thatubuntuguy#5914: If he wants to oc later on it'll be sick
Lumaterian#3557: I meant overkill as in you can push a 3700X as far as it'll go on a shadow rock
Lumaterian#3557: dark rock is a waste of money for amd
MythologicalZ#3752: only oc you do on ambient for 3700x is what pbo decides
MythologicalZ#3752: manual you'll only degrade it
thatubuntuguy#5914: pbo?
JustinXenyx#8854: precision boost overdrive |
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Cursed https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/721058952825143306/Screenshot_20200612-135027_Discord.jpg
DarknessFalls229#2286: not as cursed as my crossfire build on a single pcie lane
DarknessFalls229#2286: though that didnt work at all
estr0#0019: got the old dell dimension e521 working again! looking for a new GPU for it, yanno, something that was good in 2007/8? anything that works with the AMD Athlon x2 5000+ and is pretty cheap?
estr0#0019: Currently have a Radeon X1300PRO installed (256mb lol)
wiryfuture🦀#1706: Heyo, my mobo isn't giving me any video output
wiryfuture🦀#1706: It's got a i3 2100 in it and everything was working fine but after trying to reset it I've got no video
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I rhink I'll just let it run and see what it dies
wiryfuture🦀#1706: *does
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I'm not getting video from an external gpu or internal, is it dead lol?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: reseated ram, reseated gpu, checked all power cables, reset cmos
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I think one of my cables is fucked
wiryfuture🦀#1706: it randomly works and doesn't
wiryfuture🦀#1706: doesn't explain why I can't go into my bios haha
The United States Air Force#7904: is there a pcie2 to pcie x16 |
Alcyone#2233: x2 to x16?
Alcyone#2233: pcie is all the same layout regardless of generation
Racey#8574: I think he means PCI-e 2.0 to PCI-e 1.0 x16
layton#0621: can anyone help me set up a raid array
layton#0621: between two drives
layton#0621: been told i should use raid 0
JustinXenyx#8854: I have 3 questions
JustinXenyx#8854: 1. Why do you want to raid?
JustinXenyx#8854: 2. Will you store important data on this raid array?
JustinXenyx#8854: 3. Are you using software raid (like in Windows) or are you doing the RAID via your motherboard or proper raid hardware?
Xbox 360 1953#2640: whats the best gpu you guys would put on a cx550m?
gemsticks#2781: i was checking amazon and i saw this when looking at the r5 3600
gemsticks#2781: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/721245858863251486/unknown.png
gemsticks#2781: does this mean i need thermal paste or nah?
vegetal#8870: no |
gemsticks#2781: thanks
estr0#0019: Could a GT 240 run off a 305W PSU? Current specs for this old computer are an Athlon 64 x2 5000+, 2GB DDR2 (going to 4GB DDR2)
DarknessFalls229#2286: it should be fine i feel
Razorsz#5056: anyone kwow what a constant beep suggests? the laptop is struggling to get into the OS and just constantly beeps
BigPierogi#3368: I know on desktops a beeper that doesnt stop means no ram
Razorsz#5056: my ears hurt, i took the ram out, reseated, took the hdd out and got the same loud keeping and said media would not be found (suggesting the hdd isnt in there)
Razorsz#5056: well in the bios it detected both sticks
Razorsz#5056: do you think maybe some speeds arent supported? i swapped the mismatched ram out for 2 identical sticks running at 800mhz, the other 2 were running at 557 n 6xx, some weird combination
BigPierogi#3368: Do the old sticks work?
Razorsz#5056: well im about to test, they run at 667 and 555, bit strange but ill try them
BigPierogi#3368: Try one first
Razorsz#5056: im sure both will work as the did previous
Razorsz#5056: hm...same symptoms
BigPierogi#3368: How old is this laptop also
BigPierogi#3368: Because I know older laptops sometimes only support 2 or 4gb |
Razorsz#5056: i believe 2008
Razorsz#5056: oop. 2 beeps and im into startuiprecovery, i took a stick of ram out of the pissy top slot
Razorsz#5056: o shi- it be loading into vista
BigPierogi#3368: Could be a speed limit
BigPierogi#3368: Or size limit
Razorsz#5056: well this laptop sould support 4 max
BigPierogi#3368: Or a stick is dead
Razorsz#5056: hold up...
Razorsz#5056: i think i know what it is
Razorsz#5056: one of the keys is jammed
Razorsz#5056: in the password bar its spamming shit
Razorsz#5056: it booted when i held it sideways lmao
Razorsz#5056: imma shut it down and pull off all the keys
BigPierogi#3368: Why all
BigPierogi#3368: Cant you see which key |
Razorsz#5056: no idea which key is the culprit and i might as well
Razorsz#5056: nope cuz its the password bar, comes up in circles
BigPierogi#3368: No "view password"?
BigPierogi#3368: Or like a button
Razorsz#5056: ill try, if not ill mash the keys a bit lol
Razorsz#5056: not booting again, ye ill just take em all off
Razorsz#5056: uhg theyre those old plastic style chiklet keys
Razorsz#5056: i dont wanna break em lol
Razorsz#5056: lmao i ficxed it my some keyboard mashing
Razorsz#5056: and the new ram works
Razorsz#5056: theres still a stuck key tho xd
Razorsz#5056: so annoying, idk which kewy it is xD somewhere around the a and 6 key i think
Razorsz#5056: reeee
Razorsz#5056: wait....its tab caps shift or ctrl..i think? nani
Razorsz#5056: its the caps key |
Razorsz#5056: *i think*
Razorsz#5056: well...caps is fixed, the other key isnt xD
Razorsz#5056: i think i found our culprit
Razorsz#5056: the caps key and the Q key
Razorsz#5056: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/721421822888771674/3a658765-a67d-499a-8128-111f2713bb6a.jpg
Razorsz#5056: @BigPierogi ladies and gentlemen, we got em
Razorsz#5056: 10% battery aaaaa
Razorsz#5056: well, we have a working laptop, gonna save any important files onto a drive then slap 7 on this..i want this laptop now kek
Bisexual Billy#9476: Hi there all, I've got my server up and running there appears to be something rather odd going on.
My P420i controller is detected in the UEFI however it isn't detected in the ACU (Array Configuration Utility).
wiryfuture🦀#1706: My windows drive isn't booting on one of my laptops, could it have something to do with the fact that the laptop i installednui on had a celeron 540 and this one has a 8250u?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: hmmm
wiryfuture🦀#1706: could this be bios? (on the celeron)
wiryfuture🦀#1706: before uefi existed
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah it's likely the UEFI install of Windows causing your issues |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: *bios
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I'm going from celeron 540 to 8250u
wiryfuture🦀#1706: i think the laptop might be uefi only
JustinXenyx#8854: Tried booting in legacy mode?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: because of Toshiba's custom uefi
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I can't modify the bios
wiryfuture🦀#1706: otherwise I'd just install locally
Muse#0557: I'm legitimately confused
Muse#0557: Which laptop are you having issues with
JustinXenyx#8854: He is trying to use a Windows install from a Celeron 540 on an 8250u
Lady Mipha#0611: ^^^^
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I think it's because the celeron installed it using bios and the 8250u only supports uefi
JustinXenyx#8854: And since that Install is legacy it might have issues on the newer i5 laptop which boots in UEFI natively
Muse#0557: Why not just create another installation media?
JustinXenyx#8854: @wiryfuture🦀 It should 100% still boot in legacy, but it's more a UEFI thing where you need to have legacy mode |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: guess I'll just wait until my friend will let me use his i5 8600 pc or whatever to do iy
wiryfuture🦀#1706: my i3 2100 pc's motherboard is fucked up
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I blame intel motherboard :crome:
Muse#0557: My brain hurts
Muse#0557: I must be speaking a different language again
Muse#0557: Because that makes no sense to me
Lady Mipha#0611: that or you’re tired
Muse#0557: I thinks it because Philip just jumps between 8 things
Muse#0557: And Justin has done a good job of approximating what he is saying
Muse#0557: Also yes tired
wiryfuture🦀#1706: :Xdxdxd:
Muse#0557: Just answer my one question
Muse#0557: Why not create another installation media
wiryfuture🦀#1706: Because it works fine and is on the most recent release
wiryfuture🦀#1706: it's the computers being bios & uefi not the installation media |
wiryfuture🦀#1706: whatever, problem solved: pain
Muse#0557: I'm going to lie down
Muse#0557: Wait no I cant
Muse#0557: I'm going to go watch futurama
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I just got electrocuted by a laptop charger
wiryfuture🦀#1706: weird, I've never had that happen to me
wiryfuture🦀#1706: the charger wasn't plugged into the laptop, i pulled it out of the socket and that familiar feeling of your hand going numb haha 😅
JustinXenyx#8854: what did you touch? the part that goes into your laptop or the part that plugs into your wall?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: into wall I guess
wiryfuture🦀#1706: it must have and arced, there's no way i touched the metal while pulling out by the plastic :crome:
DarknessFalls229#2286: your hand going numb? electricity stings like a thousand needles
wiryfuture🦀#1706: eh
wiryfuture🦀#1706: Guess I'm just used to it haha :crome:
Muse#0557: As long as you don't have a pacemaker
Muse#0557: Or need a pacemaker |
Muse#0557: You should be fine
Muse#0557: You'd know if it was a proper shock
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I've been shocked a lot of times, I defo know
wiryfuture🦀#1706: * touches positive and neutral on socket :Hahaha: *
wiryfuture🦀#1706: this could just be availability bias, but I'm pretty sure my joints are always extra click-y after a shock
Xbox 360 1953#2640: is there a psu spreadsheet or anything
wiryfuture🦀#1706: my gpu won't display any video on my windows install, it's set as primary display output in bios, I've checked cmos, I've checked cables, the igpi boots windows fine with video, but with the 7950 I get nothing, however many times i press win+p.
I got the gpu to show once when i disabled igpu in device manager in windows, shut down and out the gpu in, but after trying to install adrenaline with the 'reset' option enabled on the installer (installation has been through multiple systems), after the restart, nothing again (no matter what I've tried)
mi3night#2562: Ok so my parent’s fridge broke down...what’s a good fridge for $600?
Racey#8574: The Xbox Series X
wiryfuture🦀#1706: @mi3night a used one probably?
Abe.#3344: I might end up with £700ish in a month or 2, what's the best upgrade from a 2200g and 960? I do video editing/Blender stuff as well as gaming.
MythologicalZ#3752: 3700x and then whatever happens gpu wise
wiryfuture🦀#1706: anyone here know how to flash BIOSs on intel boards?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I have all the bios files I need, ver 44, 99 and 120, and an "iflash" exe for ver 44 but idk how to use it, since in the f7 update menu it says that this version of the bios doesn't support updates through that menu and need iflash, i searched it up and you have to boot off a usb with the iflash and .bio file, but how? |
D.D.M#8226: Hey guys so i am planning to buy a laptop for school and i am not sure what brand i should buy from and specs than can handle some titles like cs go, valorant something like those
D.D.M#8226: Any recommendations?
vegetal#8870: cldvo
vegetal#8870: clevo
MythologicalZ#3752: no, just get new ryzen shit, those games are easy to run
MythologicalZ#3752: plus good battery for school work
BigPierogi#3368: also
BigPierogi#3368: whats your budget
D.D.M#8226: Idk about 500€ max
thatubuntuguy#5914: @Xbox 360 1953 See the PSU tier list
thatubuntuguy#5914: It's on LTT forums, very comprehensive
Xbox 360 1953#2640: fifth says it bad iirc
Muse#0557: One day I will be motivated enough
Muse#0557: To make a list for every component
thatubuntuguy#5914: 🙏 not actually a bad idea |
Muse#0557: The Gpu one is bae
thatubuntuguy#5914: The ultimate pc building guide
thatubuntuguy#5914: Thing is we'd have to update it every 6 months
Muse#0557: It's a psd
Muse#0557: So it's not too bad
thatubuntuguy#5914: Yeah i guess so
Muse#0557: Honestly don't even know if I would add the 3090 and crap
Muse#0557: Just makes decent cards seem weaker than they are
Muse#0557: 1080p very high isn't low end
Muse#0557: But with 3090 added those cards would be moved down to there
thatubuntuguy#5914: Just say it's like ultra high end I guess
thatubuntuguy#5914: Creme de la creme
thatubuntuguy#5914: Or like separate guides for different resolutions?
Muse#0557: Already have super high end
thatubuntuguy#5914: So like a 1080p buyer's guide and a 4k buyer's guide |
Muse#0557: It's not a buyers guide
Muse#0557: It's a hierarchy
thatubuntuguy#5914: For GPUs I meant
thatubuntuguy#5914: mb
Muse#0557: Markets change so much
Muse#0557: And used prices it's just not reasonable
thatubuntuguy#5914: Yeah i understand, it was my bad phrasing
Muse#0557: I'll make a storage one
Muse#0557: Combining all types
Muse#0557: Psu
Muse#0557: Cpu
thatubuntuguy#5914: Yeah i see what u mean then, it's weird bc dirt cheap cards last year like rx470 are considerably more expensive now
thatubuntuguy#5914: so there's no telling what could happen
thatubuntuguy#5914: Fair
Muse#0557: They were down to 70 |
Muse#0557: Now they are over 100
thatubuntuguy#5914: Yup
thatubuntuguy#5914: I copped mine for £90
thatubuntuguy#5914: Rio copped a 470d for like £40 iirc
Muse#0557: I'll make hierarchies for Storage, PSU and Cpu but I need some input from other members and tech helpers
MythologicalZ#3752: psu and storage in a simple tier list is too hard
TheFifthAce#4128: storage isnt
TheFifthAce#4128: psus are
thatubuntuguy#5914: Storage not really but psu can depend a lot on wattage, use case, and budget
MythologicalZ#3752: drive by drive?
TheFifthAce#4128: I'm the psu and ssd guy @Muse
MythologicalZ#3752: seems pretty hard to me
TheFifthAce#4128: :based:
Xbox 360 1953#2640: based on what
TheFifthAce#4128: on the 54th regiment |
MythologicalZ#3752: guess if you go by specs it wouldn't be hard
MythologicalZ#3752: then just link to drives off the sheet with the specs
TheFifthAce#4128: all my homies hate phison s11
MythologicalZ#3752: 🙏
Muse#0557: I was thinking updating the 2.5" and m.2 ssds
Muse#0557: Then combining them and throwing in some popular HDD choices
TheFifthAce#4128: hdds should never be used
TheFifthAce#4128: fuck hdds
Muse#0557: Yes
Muse#0557: But
Muse#0557: People will still use them
TheFifthAce#4128: Paying for cloud NAS is cheaper
TheFifthAce#4128: and quieter
Muse#0557: This thing called being broke
Muse#0557: My WiFi is way slower than my wd black |
TheFifthAce#4128: h
Muse#0557: Just put a wd blue in the bottom tier
Muse#0557: Also some Toshiba and Seagate drives
TheFifthAce#4128: wd blues are fine
Muse#0557: Then black a tier above
Muse#0557: Or something
TheFifthAce#4128: wd greens are not fine
Muse#0557: So green and server drives in bottom
TheFifthAce#4128: server drives are fine too?
Muse#0557: Blue and stuff a tier above
Muse#0557: Then blacks a tier above
Muse#0557: You know what I mean
Muse#0557: Slow long lifespan drives
TheFifthAce#4128: it depends on capacity
TheFifthAce#4128: 5400 rpm 8tb drive is faster than a 2tb 7200 rpm drive |
TheFifthAce#4128: assuming its not smr
Muse#0557: Most people are going to be buying a 1 or 2tb
TheFifthAce#4128: you're making big generalizations that are just cring
Muse#0557: Gotta sacrifice inclusivity
Muse#0557: For accessibility
MythologicalZ#3752: ehh, I think those are fair generalizations
MythologicalZ#3752: this is bbop, not bapc
TheFifthAce#4128: 2 categories
TheFifthAce#4128: cringe and not cringe
Muse#0557: I can just add a note at the bottom
Muse#0557: Saying bigger HDD faster
Muse#0557: I'll figure something out later
Muse#0557: When I feel alive
Muse#0557: I'll consult you both
Muse#0557: Harass me later if I forget |
Xbox 360 1953#2640: so bigger hdd faster? that's interesting
Xbox 360 1953#2640: so like, 4tb 5400 is faster than 2tb 7200?
DarknessFalls229#2286: more platters and drive heads = more speed
mi3night#2562: Wd blacks are good
mi3night#2562: But they’re expensive
DarknessFalls229#2286: cause it can read multiple sectors at once
Xbox 360 1953#2640: oh, that makes sense
mi3night#2562: Tbh just get wd red
mi3night#2562: They’re ok priced $100 4tb
mi3night#2562: @D.D.M I’m decent with laptops I can help u. What’s ur budget
D.D.M#8226: Well i qm not sure witch brand of laptop i should get and what specs
mi3night#2562: Used or new?
D.D.M#8226: Maximum amount i want to spend is 500€
D.D.M#8226: New
mi3night#2562: What country |
D.D.M#8226: For school and some lighter and older games
D.D.M#8226: North Macedonia
mi3night#2562: If It’s for school do u want a ultrabook or a gaming laptop
D.D.M#8226: Well a gaming laptop yes
mi3night#2562: Oh ok try to get a acer nitro 5
mi3night#2562: They’re pretty solid for budget gaming laptops
mi3night#2562: 8300h 1050
D.D.M#8226: Ok i will search for it
Muse#0557: I don't think abrasst was being literal about a 4tb 5400rpm being faster
mi3night#2562: Hard drives are dying
mi3night#2562: I bet ssd is gonna take over in a few years
Muse#0557: Yeh but its a now list
Muse#0557: Not a 2023 list
Xbox 360 1953#2640: would plc or hlc still be better than an hdd?
mi3night#2562: Is it true that a bigger ssd is faster than a smaller ssd in terms of capacity |
Alcyone#2233: larger capacity ssd that are the same model usually have better transfer speeds
TheFifthAce#4128: @Muse ...but it is true
TheFifthAce#4128: higher capacity HDDs, excluding SMR, are faster than lower, even at lower rotation speeds
Muse#0557: Ik
Xbox 360 1953#2640: whats the point of smr? is it just to make cheaper higher capacity drives
JustinXenyx#8854: precisely @Xbox 360 1953
JustinXenyx#8854: shingled magnetic drives serve as a cheap way to make them high capacity, but that comes at a HUGE caveat. They're more like "store your shit all at once and then access it" but not drives you constantly store data on, which is why they serve more as "archival" drives
Spartacutie#2806: Hey guys, long time reader, first time need-er... of help, I guess. Basically, I bought an old phone for a dollar (much like the Budget King himself) and its pretty decent, but I'm wanting to flash a lightweight custom OS to it and was wondering if anyone had some good suggestion. The phone is a Samsung Galaxy Precedent (kinda like a Samsung Mini) running Android 2.2 (Froyo). I've googled a lot and I have some ideas already but wanted some second opinions
Spartacutie#2806: I edited because my punctuation sucked
JustinXenyx#8854: To keep it honest, don't expect a lot of usability out of a phone like that. They're old and you cannot fix shitty specs with a new OS
Spartacutie#2806: I'm not looking for a powerhouse. I'm actually switching to digital minimalism and just need something for calls, texts, emails, and to read ebooks
Spartacutie#2806: Maybe the occasional Youtube video, if I'm ever away from my computer for some reason in the middle of quarantine
Spartacutie#2806: But I also understand if that might be unrealistic
Spartacutie#2806: (I know I could use the stock OS, but it's kinda slow
Spartacutie#2806: )* |
JustinXenyx#8854: I personally feel like Youtube is pretty much out of the question and even e-mailing is gonna be a massive shit fest
Spartacutie#2806: OOF
Spartacutie#2806: But thanks for the clarity and honesty, tbh
JustinXenyx#8854: This phone is proper "bottom of the barrel" stuff, with as much RAM as a modern day calculator while having a pretty weak-sauce ARM chip from 2011 with a properly small screen
Spartacutie#2806: True, but I think that's what makes them so charming, in a way
Spartacutie#2806: I'm probably weird for that lol but...
Lumaterian#3557: yeah you need a phone that shipped with 4.4 at minimum for 2020 usability
Lumaterian#3557: something like nexus 5
JustinXenyx#8854: The issue here is that we're dealing with what seems like a lower end - midrange set from 2011. Lower end - midrange phones from 2010- late 2012/early 2013 are almost unusable in 2020 even for basic tasks, while a modest low end to midrange phone from mid-2013 onwards usually still works fine even with the stock rom (although a little sluggish)
Spartacutie#2806: Ah, ok
Spartacutie#2806: Guess I'll have to... cry. I mean... buy another
JustinXenyx#8854: I mean you didn't spend a whole lot of money on the phone, so i wouldn't say you lost that much
Spartacutie#2806: Lol I know. Just thought I might have had a good sleeper. Still a cool looking paperweight so...
Spartacutie#2806: I'll take it
JustinXenyx#8854: If you are serious with this whole "digital minimalism" thing i would probably go with a cheaper 2013 (or newer) flagship, because then you won't have any spec issues, can usually find loads of custom roms and you won't suffer from screens as small as modern-day smartwatches |
Spartacutie#2806: True
JustinXenyx#8854: Minimalism shouldn't mean taking loads of compromises and having a shitty experience, at least in my books
gemsticks#2781: question but what would be a good gpu to pair with ryzen 5 3600
gemsticks#2781: once I get a job I’ll have to replace my 1050 ti
JustinXenyx#8854: I feel like a solid GPU to pair with an R5 3600 is an RTX 2060 Super/2070 or 5700XT, but i would wait until later in the year
JustinXenyx#8854: The new cards are supposed to come out this year, which would make current cards cheaper and newer cards available
JustinXenyx#8854: Given that a you have a 1050Ti i would say that an upgrade isn't needed soon and the wording "once i get" also makes it clear that you getting a job might not be very soon
gemsticks#2781: yeah
gemsticks#2781: thanks again Justin
gemsticks#2781: also wouth the r5 3600 work with 2133 mhz of ddr4 ram?
gemsticks#2781: (16 GB to be exact)
JustinXenyx#8854: It would work but it would be stupid to use it like that
gemsticks#2781: wdym stupid
JustinXenyx#8854: Ryzen CPUs like fast memory
gemsticks#2781: uh oh |
gemsticks#2781: so im in trouble then?
gemsticks#2781: ehhh not so much
gemsticks#2781: as far as emulation goes ill be fine
JustinXenyx#8854: I'd say you are in trouble
JustinXenyx#8854: You're gonna loose a **decent** chunk of performance because of slow memory like that
gemsticks#2781: most games are locked at 30fps for rpcs3 though
gemsticks#2781: and most videos show that 2133 mhz seems to be fine
Sentient Potato#6003: 2133 works for ryzen but it's not the best
gemsticks#2781: ah well
gemsticks#2781: ill replace the motherboard eventually then
Xbox 360 1953#2640: does the board act fucky above 2133 or smt?
mi3night#2562: 2133 mainly used for servers
mi3night#2562: Although many servers in 2020 is starting to use 2666 and 2933
Alcyone#2233: if you already have the ram you might as well try overclocking it and or running asynchronous fabric clock
Xbox 360 1953#2640: Anyone know what this is? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722116691508592710/JPEG_20200615_115345.jpg |
russ_the_b#5525: your hdd is dying
russ_the_b#5525: or already dead
Xbox 360 1953#2640: uh oh
Lumaterian#3557: exactly what it says on the tin
Lumaterian#3557: tbh windows just does that if the drive is fine if you bsod or crash too much
Xbox 360 1953#2640: would it do that if i powered it off wrong?
Lumaterian#3557: usually not on the first time
Lumaterian#3557: but yeah it can
Lumaterian#3557: wait for it to finish then scan the drive
Lumaterian#3557: with something like crystaldiskinfo
Xbox 360 1953#2640: ok ill do that, thanks
Xbox 360 1953#2640: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722141734230032454/unknown.png
Xbox 360 1953#2640: i kinda forgot until now but uh
Xbox 360 1953#2640: theres that
Lumaterian#3557: wow that's exceptionally bad |
Xbox 360 1953#2640: some old hitachi drive that says its running at 1.5 Gb/s
Lumaterian#3557: sata link speed doesn't matter
Lumaterian#3557: for hard drives anyway
Bertie Kemp#1114: Hi guys, my brother has just got £500 for his bday today and wants to upgrade his cpu and mobo. He has a Z97-E mobo, 16gb ddr3 and an i5-4790k. He also has a gtx 970 and 144hz monitor. Could someone help me advise him on what parts to buy for a good upgrade path? His budget is £500
russ_the_b#5525: a better gpu
russ_the_b#5525: if he got some cash left an i7-4790k is good upgrade
uoʇsodɾ#2412: When do you think, if ever, will the new features (like WDDM 2.7) in the Nvidia 440 driver will be available for Kepler Quadro's in laptops? Most current supported Driver is 418.
Lumaterian#3557: 4790K is a great upgrade if you can get one for 90$ US or less
Bertie Kemp#1114: Cant get a 4790k at the moment, definitely not for that price due to covid, used market is basically dead where I am. Surely any better gpu will be bottlenecked by the i5
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Seconded that better GPU would be the better upgrade. I would go for a 2060 super. https://www.notebookcheck.net/GeForce-GTX-970-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-Super-vs-GeForce-RTX-2060-Max-Q_6279_9893_9631.247598.0.html
Bertie Kemp#1114: Hes mostly complaining about not being able to watch youtube or do anything on his pc whilst playing rainbow six siege, my idea was to upgrade his cpu now since he needs it for the multitasking, then around xmas he could get a gpu upgrade
Lumaterian#3557: something like that would definitely be bottlenecked by a 4c i5
Lumaterian#3557: also you've linked an article on 2060 Super Max-Q
Bertie Kemp#1114: I was thinking he could get a good B550 mobo, a ryzen 5 3600 and 16gb ddr4
Bertie Kemp#1114: Any better recommendations then that? |
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Out of stock.
russ_the_b#5525: you will get bottlenecked with something like a 1660 but a 1050-1060 is still a better gpu and no bottlenecks
uoʇsodɾ#2412: 1660 = 1060
russ_the_b#5525: now isnt a good time to jump to a new platform plus if its only gaming the cpu is fine
russ_the_b#5525: yeah no i was wrong even with a 1660 you should be fine nothing over 10%
Bertie Kemp#1114: It's not only gaming, its multitasking whilst playing a cpu heavy game, and his 970 is fine for the games he plays, the only thing he is complaining about is not being able to multitask when playing games
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IDjImUA2WI
wiryfuture🦀#1706: *cries in hd 7950*
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Go with a i7 if you could find one for under $150. Save the rest for a 2060, 2070, 1070, or a 1080. A 1080 can be found used for under $400.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: 1660 = 1050 ti.
russ_the_b#5525: i meant productive stuff like video editing and such multi tasking would be great with the i7
Bertie Kemp#1114: Theres no real upgrade path with the i7 however
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Yes. Faster stock clock and hyperthreading. At best hyperthreading gives a 30% performance increase with a 10% power increase per core.
russ_the_b#5525: unless you are rendering with your cpu the i7 should be great till its a better time to upgrade
Bertie Kemp#1114: why is now a bad time to upgrade and what do i do if i cant find him an i7? |
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I'm using a i7 4900MQ and still find it quite fast.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Everything is out of stock.
russ_the_b#5525: shits out of stock so alot of stuff are overpriced
Bertie Kemp#1114: ryzen 5 3600 is around £160? is that overpriced?
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I want my X570 Mobo for under $370 but is currently found for $500. :/ MSRP is $370.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Find a mobo.
Bertie Kemp#1114: b550 mobos are out tomorrow right?
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti38JS8RuPU
Bertie Kemp#1114: found a i7 4790 for £100 from cex, good deal?
uoʇsodɾ#2412: no K?
Bertie Kemp#1114: no k
Bertie Kemp#1114: k is £210
Bertie Kemp#1114: he wouldnt overclock it anyway
Muse#0557: Better value to get a full tower tbh
Muse#0557: Just upgrade the psu with a 6 pin fsp |
TheFifthAce#4128: dont pay money for haswell @Muse
TheFifthAce#4128: not u
uoʇsodɾ#2412: The i5 overclocked may still give better performance than the i7 no k.
TheFifthAce#4128: @Bertie Kemp
Bertie Kemp#1114: So if i shouldnt get the i7 and shouldnt get ryzen, what should i get for him?
Muse#0557: You should get ryzen
Muse#0557: Who said you shouldn't
TheFifthAce#4128: you should get ryzen
Bertie Kemp#1114: Well with people saying to get the i7 instead i assumed they thought getting an i7 would be better
TheFifthAce#4128: ryzen is the very best option
TheFifthAce#4128: no
TheFifthAce#4128: the i7 is not better
Muse#0557: Did the person with the mobile I7 say not to get ryzen
TheFifthAce#4128: who said to get the i7?
uoʇsodɾ#2412: A 3.5GHz quad core Ryzen will be faster than any 4th gen quad core Intel. |
TheFifthAce#4128: yes
TheFifthAce#4128: dont buy i7
TheFifthAce#4128: waste of money
TheFifthAce#4128: no upgrade path
TheFifthAce#4128: hot
Muse#0557: Biskit
Muse#0557: What's your budget
Muse#0557: First off
TheFifthAce#4128: ryzen 5 1600af is 110 pounds brand new
uoʇsodɾ#2412: No upgrade path if you always buy new.
TheFifthAce#4128: what
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Think about it.
Muse#0557: Jpos
Muse#0557: Stop spreading false information
TheFifthAce#4128: you sound like an edgy redditor |
TheFifthAce#4128: shut the up
Muse#0557: Biskit if you could just say your budget
Muse#0557: Then we can help with good recommendations
Bertie Kemp#1114: I have an i7-4790k and 980ti in my pc, i was gunna recommend ryzen to him over the i7 upgrade, my plan is to wait until tomorrow when the b550 motherboards are out, get the best mobo he can afford, stick an 3600 in it and grab 16gb of ram
TheFifthAce#4128: dont buy b550
Bertie Kemp#1114: Why not?
TheFifthAce#4128: overpriced
Muse#0557: It's the same feature set as B450 for a premium price
Bertie Kemp#1114: But then he would have a better upgrade path
TheFifthAce#4128: they're x570 boards with sli disabled and less usb, theyre extremely over-
TheFifthAce#4128: no
TheFifthAce#4128: they are not b450
TheFifthAce#4128: they are x570 with stuff disabled
TheFifthAce#4128: @Bertie Kemp no
TheFifthAce#4128: amd says b450 supports 4000 |
TheFifthAce#4128: so it has the same upgrade path
Bertie Kemp#1114: i thought b550 would support 4000 and maybe up to 6000, the 3 gens of support like we are used to
TheFifthAce#4128: no
Bertie Kemp#1114: did i miss an article on the upgrade path?
TheFifthAce#4128: amd is dropping am4 for 5000
Bertie Kemp#1114: well crap
TheFifthAce#4128: they only promised am4 support through 2020
uoʇsodɾ#2412: If you always buy new then even if the platform supports a upgrade by the time it is worth upgrading then you are buying a new mobo anyway.
TheFifthAce#4128: 4000 will be the last one
TheFifthAce#4128: @uoʇsodɾ thats only true for intel
TheFifthAce#4128: you are stupid
TheFifthAce#4128: please shut up
Muse#0557: ^
Muse#0557: 👍
TheFifthAce#4128: am4 supports everything from 1st to 3rd gen ryzen atm, and 4000 will be supported too |
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722167957916090529/ox9T8jbLhY3AgOKu.png
Bertie Kemp#1114: soooo basically get a good b450 (so it will support 4000) and then get a cheap 2600 for now until he can save up for a ryzen 9 4950x or something?
TheFifthAce#4128: thats a year old
TheFifthAce#4128: lmaoo
TheFifthAce#4128: you dont know what youre talking about jpos
Muse#0557: That's 3rd gen though
Muse#0557: Completely out of date
TheFifthAce#4128: people have 1700s on b550s already
Muse#0557: And doesn't do anything but back us up
TheFifthAce#4128: so that chart is already wrong
uoʇsodɾ#2412: It's a chart from AMD.
TheFifthAce#4128: that chart is
TheFifthAce#4128: A YEAR OLD
TheFifthAce#4128: they have already rectified it
TheFifthAce#4128: and changed support |
TheFifthAce#4128: you DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE TALKING ABOUT
Bertie Kemp#1114: I know he's already bought 16gb ddr4 so i think hes made up his mind on upgrading from ddr3 + haswell, so just need a bit of help finding a good motherboard and cpu for £400
TheFifthAce#4128: @Bertie Kemp b450-a pro max, 2600, then get like an 8 core zen 3 later
Muse#0557: 2600
Muse#0557: B450
Muse#0557: Hey look
Muse#0557: People agreeing
Muse#0557: People who know their shit
Bertie Kemp#1114: any point waiting till tomorrow, will prices on 'old' stuff go down or not really
TheFifthAce#4128: zzz
Muse#0557: No prices won't change in a day
TheFifthAce#4128: b550 releases tomorrow
TheFifthAce#4128: that why he ask
Muse#0557: He referenced "old stuff"
TheFifthAce#4128: @Bertie Kemp some boards might go back into stock because of b550 |
TheFifthAce#4128: but thats all that really might happen
Muse#0557: I doubt prices will change
Bertie Kemp#1114: okay, but a 2600 wont be any cheaper or anything?
TheFifthAce#4128: nah
TheFifthAce#4128: just get a 6 core 2nd gen ryzen chip and a decent b450, he can upgrade later to something like a 3700x/4700x
TheFifthAce#4128: should be like 250 pounds
Muse#0557: Honestly for 400
TheFifthAce#4128: and the 2600 can handle up to a 2070 easily
Muse#0557: He could already get a 3700x
TheFifthAce#4128: tbh he could
uoʇsodɾ#2412: AMD has a lot better support for upgrading there platform but has and can still pull an Intel.
TheFifthAce#4128: but they didnt
TheFifthAce#4128: so up shut
TheFifthAce#4128: you are providing nothing of substance
TheFifthAce#4128: to this conversation |
TheFifthAce#4128: and are providing useless, wrong information
uoʇsodɾ#2412: But they did. And went back on it because of backlash.
Muse#0557: He just said "You're completely correct about support from AMD... But what if they randomly pull a 180"
TheFifthAce#4128: intel never went back on anything because of backlash
TheFifthAce#4128: :uwuPip:
uoʇsodɾ#2412: P4.
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Itanium.
Muse#0557: If your strongest point is a 14 year old cpu
TheFifthAce#4128: I can't believe how irrelevant your interjections are
TheFifthAce#4128: like honestly
TheFifthAce#4128: just shut the fuck up
TheFifthAce#4128: you arent being helpful
Muse#0557: He is :M25: in the head
TheFifthAce#4128: @Bertie Kemp if you wanna spend full 400, 3700x and a b450-a pro max means you wont need to upgrade for a long time, if you wanna save money now and upgrade to a 4th gen chip later, b450-a pro max and a 2600
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I can't believe how toxic you are. Are you still hurt from bulldozer? |
TheFifthAce#4128: lol
TheFifthAce#4128: bulldozer sucked cock
TheFifthAce#4128: fuck fx
TheFifthAce#4128: worse IPC than the pentium 3 vibe
Muse#0557: You're spreading false information and leaking shit from every hole
Muse#0557: We aren't going to be inviting to that
uoʇsodɾ#2412: What info was false?
wiryfuture🦀#1706: https://discord.com/channels/355098188312477696/545181464363401216/722167962911506614 probably
Muse#0557: That I7 is a good buy
Muse#0557: Ryzen is bad
uoʇsodɾ#2412: That came from AMD. How is that false?
Muse#0557: They have changed their plans
Muse#0557: Also it proves nothing
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I never said "Ryzen bad i7 good".
Muse#0557: Even if it were true |
Muse#0557: Going to pull out my eyeballs
Bertie Kemp#1114: Okay, @uoʇsodɾ I appreciate you trying to help but i think ryzen is the way to go. @Muse and @TheFifthAce, think ive got a better idea at what to buy now, thanks guys!
Muse#0557: Biskit TLDR... Don't buy a 6 year old I7... Get a 3700x and B450 for 400
mi3night#2562: sell ur 4790k for a stupid amount then get a ryzen 5/7 @Bertie Kemp
Muse#0557: Or 2600 and B450 for 250
uoʇsodɾ#2412: > A 3.5GHz quad core Ryzen will be faster than any 4th gen quad core Intel.
@uoʇsodɾ
mi3night#2562: yes
wiryfuture🦀#1706: > sell ur 4790k for a stupid amount
"RRP"- like £50 hahaha
Muse#0557: Yet you still recommend it
Muse#0557: You're dull enough to prove yourself wrong
mi3night#2562: just put ur 4790k up for bidding on ebay
mi3night#2562: @wiryfuture🦀 i sold mine for $205
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Out of stock issue. |
TheFifthAce#4128: 2600 is still in stock
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722170484279607357/full.jpg
Muse#0557: Moment
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722170541657555044/300x300.jpg
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Is a good b450 is stock?
mi3night#2562: take advantage of the uneducated
wiryfuture🦀#1706: Ebay prices for some old stuff is meme
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722170585395888129/download_17.jpeg
mi3night#2562: duh
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722170620460269618/IMG-20200614-WA0001.jpg
Muse#0557: I've given up
Muse#0557: Can see why jam left
mi3night#2562: he cant get a i7 under $150 thats better than 4790k
Muse#0557: And budget is taking a break
mi3night#2562: lmfao |
mi3night#2562: i7 8700k is $320 atm
mi3night#2562: 7700k is $270
thatubuntuguy#5914: Bruh
thatubuntuguy#5914: What's happened now
Muse#0557: Somebody recommending an i7
Muse#0557: Over ryzen
thatubuntuguy#5914: Another dollartechdeal i see
Muse#0557: Because ryzen support bad
uoʇsodɾ#2412: @mi3night Haha. Both not worth it. Both at the top of the stack for there socket.
thatubuntuguy#5914: lmao wat
Muse#0557: And Intel has such a track record
Muse#0557: Isn't every I7 at the top of their socket
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Ryzen support is better than Intel support. I just don't count on support 3 gen's out from AMD. At that point it's more of a coin toss. Intel has no support 3 gens out. They will most likely axe X299 (X59 and X79 had support over 3 gens). AMD is making it hard for intel in the DIY PC. OEM's have yet to embrace AMD.
Lumaterian#3557: hold on
MythologicalZ#3752: x399 only got 2 gens lol |
uoʇsodɾ#2412: No. locked I7 and the 35W desktop I7 are not at the top of the stack.
Lumaterian#3557: first of, all you've invented a chipset
Lumaterian#3557: X59 doesn't exist
Lumaterian#3557: second, X5**8** and X79 only had 2 generations
MythologicalZ#3752: all intel hedt has only had 2
Lumaterian#3557: except X299
Lumaterian#3557: which has 2 or 3 depending how you slice it
Muse#0557: Or 1
MythologicalZ#3752: yeah its a bit messy
Lumaterian#3557: that too lol
uoʇsodɾ#2412: X299 has 2 at best. X79 has 3ed gen, 4th gen, and 5th gen.
Lumaterian#3557: Skylake, Skylake 2, Skylake with a Vengeance
MythologicalZ#3752: x79 has no 5th gen?
Lumaterian#3557: X79 has 2nd and 3rd gen
Lumaterian#3557: what are you smoking |
Muse#0557: Amd are supporting 4 (actually decent generation leaps) on a single board
Muse#0557: I don't think that's ever been done before
Muse#0557: How can you say bad support
Muse#0557: Also what is your point here
Muse#0557: Everything you are saying is either bending the truth
Muse#0557: Or completely pointless
Lumaterian#3557: it makes sense if you are wrong and believe X79 and X99 are the same thing, kinda
Lumaterian#3557: though it does omit the existence of sandy bridge
Bertie Kemp#1114: Does the ROG Strix B450-E support the 4th gen ryzen cpus?
Muse#0557: Check the product page for a motherboard to check
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Correction I forgot about X99. X99 3ed, 4th, 5th. X79 2ed and 3ed.
Lumaterian#3557: holy shit I had no idea there was a B450-E
Muse#0557: ?
MythologicalZ#3752: x99 has haswell and broadwell e
MythologicalZ#3752: x79 has sandy and ivy |
Lumaterian#3557: which are 4th and 5th
Lumaterian#3557: which are 2nd and 3rd
Muse#0557: Even then
Muse#0557: This is only one minor mistake
Muse#0557: He has spouted out
Muse#0557: @MythologicalZ @TheFifthAce @JustinXenyx Fellas care to help develop a cpu list?
uoʇsodɾ#2412: My i7 HEDT knowledge is not that great. I skipped most of it. (Went form a 2008 C2 to a 6th gen i7)
Muse#0557: Then don't advise to other people
Lumaterian#3557: which is fine, but maybe don't talk like you know it
Muse#0557: If you don't trust your knowledge
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I was never advising the HEDT platform.
Muse#0557: You keep taking what I say hyper literally
TheFifthAce#4128: @Muse cpu list wym
Muse#0557: But cpu
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722175407583133758/Hierarchy_V2-1.png |
uoʇsodɾ#2412: That's all. GPU's
Muse#0557: > But cpu
TheFifthAce#4128: I mean
TheFifthAce#4128: you could
TheFifthAce#4128: you could
TheFifthAce#4128: but whats the point
TheFifthAce#4128: are we only taking performance into account?
TheFifthAce#4128: because then 8700k would be near the top despite being a bad purchase
Muse#0557: I've had a bit of an idea
Muse#0557: To recommend a cpu at most price points
Muse#0557: Or a few cpus
Muse#0557: Depending on what's available
TheFifthAce#4128: I mean I can do that later
Muse#0557: It would help avoid what we just witnessed here
TheFifthAce#4128: vibe |
TheFifthAce#4128: untrue
TheFifthAce#4128: people will be stupid regardless of how stupidproof you try to make stuff
Muse#0557: It would help
Muse#0557: Better than nothing
uoʇsodɾ#2412: @Muse Find a B550, B450, X470, or a X550 Mobo that is not out of stock at the MSRP price.
Muse#0557: Find a single I7 that's comparable value wise
JustinXenyx#8854: Is he just supposed to pull B550 or "X550" out of his ass?
JustinXenyx#8854: B550 isn't out yet fellas
Muse#0557: Also I'm not going onto another countries amazon
Muse#0557: To find a board for each person
Muse#0557: B550 is about to be out
MythologicalZ#3752: tomorrow isnt it
Muse#0557: Why restock B450 if its out of date
Muse#0557: Yeh it's tomorrow
Muse#0557: Plenty of stock |
JustinXenyx#8854: > holy shit I had no idea there was a B450-E
@Lumaterian B450-E is just a branding thing, the chipset is still just B450
Lumaterian#3557: yes I'm aware
Lumaterian#3557: I mean the SKU of board
Lumaterian#3557: I thought the only one worth a damn was the F
Muse#0557: Tbf I didn't know either
Lumaterian#3557: it wasn't sold in north america
Lumaterian#3557: probably because that would be a good thing
Lumaterian#3557: since it has a fuckin killer vrm
Lumaterian#3557: classic asus being stupid
Muse#0557: Justin did you see the ping I sent you?
JustinXenyx#8854: Yeah i did, i was gonna answer something but i'll have to retype
Muse#0557: Ah
JustinXenyx#8854: Even with B550 coming out tomorrow, you can find tons of B350 or B450s for solid prices right now new and used and i very much think that new B450 boards might take a decent price cut because sellers want to move the old inventory out of make place for more B550 stuffs
Muse#0557: B450 isn't that well stocked rn |
Muse#0557: Think they tried shifting stock too early combined with lockdown
TheFifthAce#4128: @uoʇsodɾ ds3h is at its normal 73$, tomahawk max is at its normal 115
russ_the_b#5525: all i understood from this is that gpus are gay https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722178074610761938/unknown.png
Muse#0557: Gpus are bae
Muse#0557: So is frobot
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#sort=-rammax&c=133
Muse#0557: B550 is out tomorrow
Muse#0557: How hard is that to understand
TheFifthAce#4128: like I said, tomahawk max and ds3h are still msrp
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Where do you live?
Muse#0557: Also asbratt is correct
TheFifthAce#4128: usa, which is the pcpp you JUST FUCKING GAVE
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722178441692184636/unknown.png
TheFifthAce#4128: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722178449669881856/unknown.png
Muse#0557: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722178495366561872/Screenshot_20200615_205924_com.android.chrome.jpg |
TheFifthAce#4128: it says best buy for me
Muse#0557: You probably filtered it to just amazon or something
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Best buy says out of stock.
TheFifthAce#4128: wack
TheFifthAce#4128: in stock near me
TheFifthAce#4128: :flosh:
TheFifthAce#4128: kinda cring
TheFifthAce#4128: all this is irrelevant because hes uk, not usa
uoʇsodɾ#2412: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722178785566392331/unknown.png
JustinXenyx#8854: I feel like with a CPU list there could be multiple potential issues in regards to how you compare them and the pricing, because CPUs are a decent bit more complicated than GPUs in their way of comparing and there can be huge variations on what you want to do with them and how much they cost relative to that etc etc @Muse
Muse#0557: We did discuss that a bit further down
TheFifthAce#4128: jpos the guy asking is uk
TheFifthAce#4128: :flooshed:
TheFifthAce#4128: where there is plenty of stock
TheFifthAce#4128: https://www.cclonline.com/product/294956/B450M-PRO-VDH-MAX/Motherboards/MSI-B450M-PRO-VDH-MAX-AMD-Socket-AM4-B450-Chipset-MicroATX-Motherboard/MBD2687/?siteID=8BacdVP0GFs-xQ..sXpavjYk4174FqtL6A |
Muse#0557: TLDR is recommending a few Cpus at each price point depending on what's available
TheFifthAce#4128: :flosh:
Muse#0557: Also
Muse#0557: There is going to be like 40 mobos in stock tomorrow
Muse#0557: Anyway
TheFifthAce#4128: very vibe
Muse#0557: So who cares about B450 stock
uoʇsodɾ#2412: I would go with a 8 core AMD. Like the 3700X
TheFifthAce#4128: theres supposed to be
TheFifthAce#4128: a sexy
TheFifthAce#4128: asrock b550m
TheFifthAce#4128: for like 110
TheFifthAce#4128: and one for 80
TheFifthAce#4128: :flooshed: :flooshed: :flooshed: :flooshed: :flooshed: :flooshed: :flooshed:
JustinXenyx#8854: @Bertie Kemp Your board would theoretically support Ryzen 4000, it is just a matter of when or if they implement support for that given that it is a manufacturers decision |
uoʇsodɾ#2412: The in stock makes a huge difference.
TheFifthAce#4128: msi said they will
Muse#0557: You have a skill
Muse#0557: For only read what suits you
Muse#0557: B550 is bringing like 40 mobo models tomorrow
Muse#0557: With tons of stock
TheFifthAce#4128: can we please ban jpos from this channel
TheFifthAce#4128: he has done nothing except spout cringe
Muse#0557: It's tech help not tech headache
AhmedST#6627: What happened to Abit? (motherboard company)
Muse#0557: Who
TheFifthAce#4128: didnt they die like
TheFifthAce#4128: 2008
TheFifthAce#4128: they only made socket a mobos
AhmedST#6627: Bankrupt? |
Bertie Kemp#1114: @JustinXenyx My brother has decided to go with the Strix B450-E, a 3600 and 16gb ddr4, so here's hoping that it supports 4th gen in the future and maybe he can get an upgrade and i can have the 3600 for my b450 TUF
TheFifthAce#4128: https://images.hothardware.com/static/migratedcontent/reviews/images/kt7araid/board.htm
AhmedST#6627: > they only made socket a mobos
@TheFifthAce they made socket 775 boards
TheFifthAce#4128: oh they did
TheFifthAce#4128: but yeah they died hardcore
JustinXenyx#8854: Abit died off in 2008, so they did still release some 775 boards but not that many
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Good choice Bisk.
AhmedST#6627: What happened? Bankrupt or?
TheFifthAce#4128: 3600 is solid meme
TheFifthAce#4128: strix e is fine
Muse#0557: Sorry did this fella
Muse#0557: Admit defeat
uoʇsodɾ#2412: No.
Muse#0557: After all this |
Muse#0557: Nvm
Muse#0557: Screw me sideways
uoʇsodɾ#2412: The in stock makes all the difference.
Muse#0557: I have said
Muse#0557: 3
Muse#0557: Times
Muse#0557: That
Muse#0557: B550
Muse#0557: Tomorrow
Muse#0557: Brings
Muse#0557: Fucking
Muse#0557: Stock
JustinXenyx#8854: And better boards aswell^
TheFifthAce#4128: mostly because b550 is x570 without sli or extra usb
TheFifthAce#4128: :flosh: |
Muse#0557: Is b550 pcie 4.0?
TheFifthAce#4128: just like how b450 is x470 and how b350 is x370
uoʇsodɾ#2412: And PCIe 4.0 to the chipset.
TheFifthAce#4128: @Muse yes but less pcie 4.0
thatubuntuguy#5914: Bruh this is still going on
thatubuntuguy#5914: :crome:
Muse#0557: Some how
TheFifthAce#4128: per manu but 16x is only to the first 16x slot
TheFifthAce#4128: second x16 is 8x
thatubuntuguy#5914: Praying for y'all
Muse#0557: We need a ban hammer
thatubuntuguy#5914: ~~@MODS~~
JustinXenyx#8854: They did have financial troubles and decided to close up on the 31st of december in 2008 and i would speculate that the company that bought abit in 2006 just decided they weren't making enough money to keep Abit afloat @AhmedST
Muse#0557: Justin for mod
TheFifthAce#4128: justin for hamish |
AhmedST#6627: Ok @JustinXenyx thanks for explaining
Muse#0557: That is acceptable too
thatubuntuguy#5914: Justin for mod
Muse#0557: Go hop in suggestions then
Muse#0557: This is what I have so far
>1 I3 540
>10 x3430
>20 I5 2400
>30 I5 3470
>50 I7 2600
-75 1600/9100f
-90 1600 af
>130 2600
-160 3600/9400f
>200 2700x |
-280 3700x
Muse#0557: .
Muse#0557: > = less than
- = about this much
wiryfuture🦀#1706: please no not 2nd gen intel
wiryfuture🦀#1706: first gen i3 :crome:
Muse#0557: £1 lmao
wiryfuture🦀#1706: I don't care how much it costs if it isn't going to be a good experience lol
BigPierogi#3368: sell it to dollar
Muse#0557: Budget has videos showing the i3 is fine for like 50p
wiryfuture🦀#1706: why are these disabled drivers still being manufactured https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722194331770814474/unknown.png
wiryfuture🦀#1706: 2TB at 5400rpm
wiryfuture🦀#1706: at least 7200 come on
mi3night#2562: X99 is the last platform u want to go to for gaming
mi3night#2562: Or if u want muticore |
mi3night#2562: Or if u want any performance
mi3night#2562: X99 or 2011-3 is good however if ur going to be running a server with a lot of pcie slots
mi3night#2562: For example 10 gb ethernet, raid card, a lot of nvme
Muse#0557: Who mentioned x99
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Currently 2 TB is the largest HDD sold in the 2.5 inch 7mm form factor.
MythologicalZ#3752: probably the hedt thing from earlier
mi3night#2562: @Muse I mean 2011-3 in general. You can take advantage of the pcie lanes
mi3night#2562: So for example if you’re running a server with a lot of pcie stuff you can get it
mi3night#2562: Tr4 x399 exists but the mobo are stupid expensive
uoʇsodɾ#2412: HEDT is for people who need the PCIe lanes. I prefer the AMD Epic over TR. Better ECC support and better CCD to CCD laintcy.
mi3night#2562: Expensive
uoʇsodɾ#2412: All of HEDT and it's server stuff is Expensive. 😛
mi3night#2562: But yeah if u get 2011 u ain’t buying it for the perf
JustinXenyx#8854: u ain't buying it for the price either
Lumaterian#3557: in fairness to intel hedt |
Lumaterian#3557: they have 0 ccd to ccd latency
Lumaterian#3557: but it also sucks ass
Lumaterian#3557: currently watching this 7900X get beaten in my benchmarks by a fucking i7 4770
Lumaterian#3557: for gaming performance
Lumaterian#3557: what a goddamn meme
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Intel HEDT was good for workstations and light servers. AMD chiplet has so far proved to be better. The massive dies are just to hard to make at a good price and intel 14nm was hard for them to get to and even harder to leave.
Alcyone#2233: turns out the ringbus doesnt game so well when you break it up into little ring taxis
Muse#0557: Massive dies
Lumaterian#3557: this mesh *sucks*
Lumaterian#3557: I miss my X99
Lumaterian#3557: and my 1600AF
Lumaterian#3557: though in fairness to Intel
Lumaterian#3557: they don't market it for gaming
Lumaterian#3557: and it wasn't designed for this
Alcyone#2233: I wonder how it fares against oc x79 |
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Intel's problem is there massive die's, 14nm, 10nm , and outdated architecture. Mesh is good with 100+ cores on a single die. 18 cores makes no sense.
Muse#0557: Lithography and die size is not the same thing
JustinXenyx#8854: 14nm dies would be fucking mad
Lumaterian#3557: well considering I'm getting higher superposition scores with E3 1245 v3, which is clocked lower than the i7 4770 (3.8 single core boost) vs my stock 7900X (4.5 single core boost)
Muse#0557: Can somebody else explain please
Muse#0557: I cba
Muse#0557: Gonna go die
Lumaterian#3557: can someone please point me to this 100c chip
Lumaterian#3557: I want to cinebench it
Muse#0557: Justin explain lithography
Muse#0557: Ty baby
JustinXenyx#8854: no
uoʇsodɾ#2412: Large die of the 7980XE. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/545181464363401216/722208402004246538/Intel-Core-i9-7920X-Extreme-Core-Count-Core-X-Delidding.png
Muse#0557: Fair enough.. Given up educating him too?
JustinXenyx#8854: no wikipedia just does it way better |
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