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Timbo, Israel has not been recognized as a state by the Arabs, except for Egypt, of course. Isn't that a gesture? What has Israel offered? Well, it has been calling for peace talks for 45 years, asked for economic relations, and asked for diplomatic ties. What else is there? Would you have Israel sacrifice its sec...
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The honest answer to your question about Arabs who were expelled from Jaffa, and/or who fled Jaffa, or anywhere else in Israel, having the right to return is: Yes, unfortunately, they have the right to return. They may apply for citizenship like any other non-Israeli and then go to >Jaffa and try to buy their house b...
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I believe that this is not quite correct. My understanding is that LDS is engaged on a project to "convert" the souls of deceased persons of other religions, in order to spare them from damnation and gain them entrance into heaven. To this end, the Church has compiled extensive genaeological records, so that they wil...
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In September 1990, our medical reserve unit was sent to the KETZIOT prison camp to take care of Arab prisoner who were housed in 5 sections of 1500 prisoners each, with each section subdivided in 5 units housing 300 prisoners. The prisoners would "communicate" with other distant sections (sometimes 50-100 yards away) b...
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It looks like Ben Baz's mind and heart are also blind, not only his eyes. I used to respect him, today I lost the minimal amount of respect that I struggled to keep for him. To All Muslim netters: This is the same guy who gave a "Fatwah" that Saudi Arabia can be used by the United Ststes to attack Iraq . That Fatwah is...
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For those of you still unsure whether this is satire, the jury is still out: "Also yesterday, even though the compound no longer exists, the US attorney's office here released formerly sealed documents, including a search warrant and related affidavits, that authorities planned to use when the sie...
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This was not stated nor implied. Try asking. This is laughable. Licenses? Right. So then I would need a license to possess chlorine gas? It is a weapons grade poison. Would I be breaking the law then if I were to, say, pour Chlorox on the spot where my cat pissed on the floor? The reaction of ammonia and ...
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I have no idea what this guy means but the Syrian Jews are not allowed to leave Syria because Assad welshed on his promise and is not letting them go. Israel has nothing to do with it. As for the other Arab countries there are still small communities left in some Arab countries. Morocco has the largest group I thin...
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Radiating from someone who is incapable of providing a single scholarly source on his 'genocide apology program', it is rather amusing. Again, where is your non-existent list of scholars and scholarly sources? Here is mine: "An appropriate analogy with the Jewish Holocaust might be the systematic extermination of t...
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once upon a time, that's exactly what they would have done & everyone could have just gone on living a peaceful (if well armed) life. what is it that makes people think they have the right -not- to just leave others be? jason
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To Rob and all others that have been debating about the wood stove. The original post claimed that the ATF/FBI was pumping napalm into the building with the hopes that the wood stove inside would ignite it. I responed with why would the wood stove be lit in the first place? It wouldn't be lit for heating purpose...
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Two notes of interest from Texas: The Tarrant Couonty ME (who is doing the autopsies) is well known for rendering judgements that are contrary to the police view. He presented evidence a few years ago that a man who police said was pointing a gun at them actually had his hands in the air. This does not bode well fo...
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You're sitting in your home reading a good book. Your neighbors think you're a quiet, upstanding citizen. A random person anonymously calls the authorities and tells them you beat your children, sleep with all the neighbor wimmen, and own a bunch of "nasty 50mm machine guns." Now what are they supposed to do? ...
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On the other hand, Rush made an interesting point: The Democrats ran one of their best campaigns in years against a pathetic Republican and a paranoiac and still only pulled 43% of the vote, lost 10 seats in the House, and gained 0 seats in the Senate. 1994 might be pretty interesting. Clueless of the...
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OK, you've already disqualified yourself (who ever you are) from being objective. Jews are a people with a common cultural heritage, religion, and history. We are not a race. You don't see a difference between killing British soldiers (who were preventing Jews who tried to escape the Nazis from entering the Britis...
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This is such Bullshit. Deir Yassin was an unprovoked attack on the part of the Jews, and a massacre defines it best in my opinion. The village of Deir Yassin had had a pact with the Jews, a peace pact, but the Irgun purposely broke this agreement in order to scare off the Palestinians. I might grant that this villag...
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Cancel private health insurance? When government care that only covers 20% of the population consumes 42% of the spending for health care? NOT! National Health Expenditures: 1960 to 1990 (Includes Puerto Rico and outlying areas.) Year Health Services and Supplies ($billions) Private Public ====================...
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My god, a sane person! Somebody asking intelligent questions rather than spouting of unsubstantiated drivel and making comparisons to Nazi Germany. I question, along with others, the initial raid by the ATF. There are some definite questions needing answers. Probably. Which is why there are so many people angry...
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I don't have the faintest idea what literature it is to which you refer. Is this an explicit statement by some document? Or is it your interpretation of statements in such literature? Or is this a figment of your imagination or a Nazi Armenian propaganda movie script? In any case, a fascinating piece of analysis....
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A really sad op-ed appeared in my school's newpaper today. It claimed that full-auto weapons are illegal in the U.S. I understand that full-auto weapons made and registered before May 19, 1986 are still legal in 40 of the 50 states. Is Texas one of those states? Can anyone point me to a source for info on how many p...
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From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: Zionist leaders' frank statements The following are quotations from Zionist leaders. They appear in numerous scholarly works dealing with the Palestine question. I urge those who have access to original sources, to verify the authenticity of the source and post here thei...
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Los Angeles Times, Saturday, May 8, 1993. Page A11. FIGURE IN ADL SPY CASE ARRESTED AT S.F. AIRPORT ESPIONAGE: Former police officer is taken into custody upon arriving from Philippines, where he had fled after FBI interrogation. By Jenifer Warren, Times staff writer San Francisco -- A former San Franc...
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How about the following scholarly source? Source: Pierre Oberling, "The Road to Bellapais: The Turkish Cypriot Exodus to Northern Cyprus", Social Science Monographs, Boulder, 1982, ISBN 88033-000-7. Well, I am forced to disagree with you. The Greeks started massacring the Turkish population on Cyp...
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Sorry, but this is a red herring. Are you contending that the "mountain of forms" are processed by Blue Cross? Having had Blue Cross insurance both as a government employee and as an employee of a private corporation, I saw no difference between the two sets of forms. Moreover, the administrative costs associated...
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I agree, I saw no reason they could not have had "close in" pool cameras manned by volunteers and protected by sandbags or whatever. [Points made by Dick DeGueran, Koresh's lawyer] Okay, their word against the FBI's at this point. See ya in court! Dear, dear. They could have COME OUT. Okay, they were living in ...
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On the news from radio station KANU (Lawrence, KS) about 6:15 this Monday morning, I heard someone with a nasal-sounding voice (supposedly the Waco coroner?) claim that he had found TWO persons killed with a single shot to the forehead. --Myron.
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Precisely, why not Cuba?? Why not??? The Hatians are being ruled by thugs and their elected leader has asked support to reestablish the peoples will. If the U.S. or any other democracy wishes to, they are in the perfect right to help them without any whining from thir parties. After all if it turns out to be ...
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And this search procedure must also follow the rule of law. It may, if necessary, when the search is executed in an illegal and violent fashion. These "criminals" were threatening the lives of NO ONE -- they were fired on FIRST, according to a number of accounts. Wrong. Firing a gun at someone is lethal forc...
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Here is a press release from the White House. Text of President Clinton's Letter to Congress on Iranian Assets To: National Desk Contact: White House Press Office, 202-456-2100 WASHINGTON, May 14 -- Following is a letter President Clinton wrote to Congress on Iranian Assets: TO THE CONGRESS OF THE UNITED ST...
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hello, I just want to make 2 points: 1) The FBI is not stupid. These people are chosen for their intelligence, education, loyalty to the government, etc. They are given much intensive training. So, to all of you who refuse to believe there could be any conspiracy here, and say that the FBI was just stupid, I say I do...
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Bosnian Muslims are citizens od Bosnia-Herzegovina who identify themselves with Bosnian Muslim cultural and religious tradition. In Bosnia, "Muslim" is not merely a religious category, but an ethnic one as well. Actually, here are the two contradictory arguments made by people on this subject: (1) There is only Se...
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Yes, so? You still haven't explained why they can't be used to enforce Civil Law. They certainly would have done a better job of Koresh. Just call in an air strike.
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BULLSHIT. How many lakes have ceased to be able to support life from purely natural pollution? Man has already done this to scores of lakes. Also, much of the "degredation" you cite was done by cows and pigs. And why do think there are so many cows around? Could it be.......cause people raise them?
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CAN you read ?? If so: read my posting about Quisling OR look in a dictionary. If not: Don't read this :)
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5 Apr 93 MOSCOW (UPI) -- ... ``It's horrible. People are trying to get their wives and children out, men are leaving their defense positions, it's total anarchy,'' said Mekhman Aliyev, a spokesman for the Azerbaijani president. Aliyev said 210 people -- three-quarters of them civilians, the r...
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can anybody guess this from the title? Not me, I thought that a clash between Israelis and Arabs resulted in four deaths on one side and two on the other. How about being illegally settled there? I am not sure about the signals the Israelis are sending, one day they are willing to accept a Jordan/West Bank federatio...
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: > > However, legalizing it and just sticking some drugs in gas stations to : > > be bought like cigarettes is just plain silly. Plus, I have never : > > heard of a recommended dosage for drugs like crack, ecstasy, chrystal : > > meth and LSD. The 60 Minute Report said it worked with "cocaine" : > > cigarettes, pot...
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These zealots. Holy fuck. Israel. Armenia. Turkey. Greece. Croatia. Serbia. Bosnia. Russia. Germany. Iran. The Arab World. War.
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In a previous article, sadek@cbnewsg.cb.att.com (mohamed.s.sa Mohamed, What has he got to say about the carnage and genocide in our own SUDAN? The two scenarios must be viewed from the same perspective or don't you think so? well, methinks. no flames intended!!! oguocha
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Count me in for $1000.00. Allan Lockridge My Opinions are my own and are not for sale.
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^^^^^^^^ Oh my god. My spelling and grammer suck. I guess I need some sleep. I said righting (instead of writing). What's the chance of that. Thank god I caught it before everyone started picking on it. I hope I didn't cause Mr.Jefferson too much shame.
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If the FBI started the fire, why didn`t people flee the burning building?
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Do all those who are saying the government is responsible for the death of those in the compound also say that the Isrealis are responsible for the death of the Isreali athletes at the Olympics? Hey, the Palestinians and the Dividians COULD have given up peacefully ('yeah, and monkey could fly out my butt' - Wayne).
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No joke. Here's another copy for you to save. NPR, hmmm? Did they mention the part about "The fact of law enforcement access to the escrowed keys will not be concealed from the American public." ...? ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Not necessarily. If the body had been denatured (cooked) or dehydrated due to the heat, a projectile needs only a minimal kinetic force to penetrate. In fire aftermaths, bodies tend to fall apart or loose large chunks of meat with little effort. Medical Examiners tend not to like cleaning up such scenes. As such, if...
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And you're the guy that doesn't know that illiterate people can't write coherent sentences. Does that make you superior somehow? Steve []
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Funny, Brent, but so far we have heard two versions of the "facts:" 1) What the government says. This includes what the government says that two survivors have said. 2) What Koresh's lawyer (who was actually inside the compound) says, including what he says that most of the survivors have said. Strange, but ...
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It's worse than you show it.....look for Janet REno and others to link the words "child abuse" and "p[rivate stores of guns" from now on out.
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Even better, let's pass a law making it illegal to kill people with bombs of *any* sort. --henry schaffer
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Look out... We have the beginnings of a donnybrook between one of them liberal, artsy-fartsy western schools and an ossified, establishment eastern university. :-)
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@> A few things about the University. It is more fun than some may @> admit. Partying does go on and it has consistently been ranked @> one of Playboy's top party schools. ...
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Gulf has changed the third parts's perception of Arabs. 1. Before, people tended to think Arabs have tough character. After seeing Iraqis begging for surrender, people do not gave Arabs much weight. 2. People tended to think Arabs are a united people in fighting Isrealis. After Gulf War, seeing some Arab nations beated...
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Face it Mr. Beyer, you're just outmatched by us Israeli intellectuals. Any attempts to defend the deceitful, undeserving Palestinians will prove fruitless!
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I bought mine at the MOW storefront. Its not plastic, its woven material. but I think you miss the point. its not about the five bucks in your pocket, its about supporting the march and helping to pay for all the printed materail and scehdulkes and organisation and... all leading up to the literal *birth* of Queer ...
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It is 'Serdar', 'kocaoglan'. Just love it. Well, it could be your head wasn't screwed on just right. If that does ever happen, look out the window and see if there is a non-fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government in the East. "In Soviet Armenia today there no longer exists a single Turkish soul. It is in our powe...
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========================================================================== Yes, we do have a beautiful country. And I enjoy it. Most of all, I enjoy the thought that I have the means and can exercise my rights to defend me and mine. And I want to thank all of you good folks, like Prescod, who remind me of...
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In <C601ED.CD6@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com>, thomasr@cpqhou.se.hou.compaq.com sez: This is all terribly interesting, but it doesn't belong in misc.legal. Take it elsewhere, please. -- Have you hugged your common nucleus of operative fact today?
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Thomas Jefferson is rolling over in his grave because the university is making rules about sex. Doesn't UVA also have a hate crimes rule on the books? Adam Adam Shostack adam@das.harvard.edu
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Firearm? Let's not even consider long knives (swords), which were also common militia weapons in the 18th century, and which, if anything, are often restricted more heavily than firearms. Whatever sense gun control makes, knife control makes even less. --
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Hehehe! Dontcha just love these carefully constructed arguements? Clayton, babe, please define the word `molest`. Are you using a legal term or a proper dictionary term? Molest, as far as I can remember, means `to do damage to person(s)`. My mate, Mike, was lured into a woman's parlour when he was 14. Is that ...
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# Mr Cramer- # # You are on one hand condemning the news media as; # # "The Role of the National News Media in Inflaming Passions" that # was your message subject I believe. # # Then you turn around and actually take; From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, # April 15, 1993, p. B2: # # Male sex survey: Gay acti...
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I need quotes from Jefferson, Hamilton, Madison, or any of the other founders, that support the idea that the Second Amendment was written into the Constitution so that the populace could protect itself it the government began to degenerate into tyrrany. If you have any (with sources), please mail them to me. Thanks.
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: The median of a distribution is that variate-value which divides the : distribution halfway, i.e. 1/2 of the distribution (population) have : lower and half have higher variate-values. : So for Males 20-39 the median=7.3, this means that half of these men : are higher than this and half are lower than this. Now if ...
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[...deleted...] At least you're consistent. I'm sure the highly propagandized Germans tended to believe their government's version too in the thirties and forties as those "different" highly demonized Jewish "cultists" met their fate. Always trust your government.
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For starters, they could have gone on waiting and negotiating. The Davidians weren't going anywhere, and their supplies had to be limited. Large, perhaps, but limited. If they had simply fired the compound by themselves without gov't tanks smashing down their walls, then at least the gov't would not be guilty of ha...
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rja@mahogany126.cray.com (Russ Anderson) writes... The fact is that Koresh and his followers involved themselves in a gun battle to control the Mt Carmel complex. That is not in dispute. From what I remember of the trial, the authories couldn't reasonably establish who fired first, the big reason behind the aq...
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Good grief! I do believe that for once you may have an argument which may be discussed intelligently! I guess that you are a person who dislikes contact with people of ethnic minority. However, your argument again falls flat on its face. You state that you, under an anti-discrimination bill, would be forced to as...
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I agree with you Harry, however you must also concede then that Arab terrorism is also a tragedy of war. remember that the Palestinians have no other effective target but civilians in order to further their cause. If Irgun had to attack civilian targets to terrorize in order that they might obtain some objective, I'm...
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The first thing I would do would be to disband Medicare and Medicade! They are a primary reason why health care costs are going up. To cover the people that are currently on these programs, I would sell their coverage in blocks to insurance companies. The private companies would bid to get these large blocks ...
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You know, you have a point here, but don't stop with African Americans... When I was in high school in the early 1980s, on various occasions I had knives pulled on me, had friends who were stabbed, and I was beaten up repeatedly by those that couldn't accept me as different. And don't let the teachers off the hook ei...
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So far, the medical examiner (according to the news) has found NO EVIDENCE of gunshot wounds in bodies so far examined. If this continues to be the case, it will sort of shoot holes (pun intended) in the FBI story, wouldn't it? And cartridges going off outside a firearm do not launch a bullet like they do when fired...
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yodicet> yodicet> yodicet> Hmm. You don't say.. L. "Yeh, Buddy.. | larry@psl.nmsu.edu (Larry Cunningham)| _~~_ I've got your COMPUTER! | % Physical Science Laboratory | (O)(-) Right HERE!!" | New Mexico State University | /..\ (computer THIS!) | Las Cruces, New Mexic...
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t The original poster never said they were afraid of King because he was black. In fact the officers were afraid of King because of WHAT HE DID, not because OF THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN. It is you, Mr. Frank that read the phrase "large black man" and cried racism in a typical knee-jerk fashion. When you (and others, I ...
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How about a gun buy-back/charity? Get some sponsors to fund the purchase of used firearms, have a gunsmith check them over, and give or sell them at a low price to poor persons wishing to own firearms. ;-) [OK, you guys can work out the details of who is "needy", etc...] -- Charles Scripter * cescript@phy.mtu.e...
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I haven't recognized any names from previous discussions, but I do notice that there are a few who blame Clinton for the actions of the BATF in Waco. Unless you felt the same way about what we did under Bush's *direct* command in Panama, it's just partisan whining. Which is what I expect most of it to be. I can see ...
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Infact on tuesday, the Bosnian foreign minister asked formally the UN to leave Bosnia, just to show how much hypocracy is there in Europe. These so called UN is actually helping Serbs carry out their etnic-clensing/murders/rapes. In Zepa the UN effectively helped the Serbs carry out their heinous crimes by spreading ...
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A search for illegally held weapons (IF there were any, no evidence yet produced to this effect) does not justify firing into a house with women and children, either. It also does not justify shooting first without identifying oneself (the ATF and FBI have done this before, so don't say they haven't, please) or produc...
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Give ME a break, chum. Are you telling me that Clinton and Reno DID NOT KNOW that the BATF actions were ILLEGAL, adn in VIOLATION of their warrant?
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The Waco/Whacko Bar-B-Q caused me to remember an official explanation from the Vietnam War. The 90s, liberal version is: "It was necessary to incinerate the children in order to save them."
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Heil Ajami!, or do you prefer Heil Martillo! or Heil Santos! or Heil Carlo! or Heil Joachim!<- This I would suggest against, it sounds too informal, mein fuhrer!
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These surviving witnesses being members of which cult pray tell ?? We were having a discussion about whether Bush would have done anything differently. On the basis of Panama, Grenada, Tripoli, Kewait etc we decided that Bush would have asked for a surgical airstrike or used a cruise missile, some people sugges...
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tha Any death is serious. Wanna discuss match control? Firearms related unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under are the fault of one or more negligent persons, not the gun. Providing false hope, then, is the intent? 200% increase in California schools, eh? Gun control is working fine, there! S...
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Why? There is no need to go into this....... especially this rivetting piece of information. As I remember, someone did ask if UV had a speach code. But, really, there is no need for this brief survey course. How wonderful for you.
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Yeah right, sorta like the Indian sub-contient, eh?
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# ## Ahh, what's good for the goose is not necessarily what's good for # ## the gander. You don't want homosexuals to impose their moral codes # ## (such diabolical ideas as equal rights) on you, yet you are willing # ## to impose your moral codes on them. Do I detect a double standard? # ## # ## -garison # # #What...
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Quite a few people couldn't have cared less about what happened to the Jews of Europe. If they had cared, they would have done something. Maybe its because many of us, who have been on usenet for several years remember tripe like this being posted: ------------- This was posted fairly recently. There has ...
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A very well put together post. I disagree with several key points, but the post is an excellent one with which to "engage in discourse": >There has been much discussion recently about the right to >freedom of association. Mr. Cramer and Mr. Ronzone appear to >take an absolutist position on this right--tha...
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Out and out lie. Not substantiated. I do not understand statments like these. Please stop making such ridiculous claims. Maybe you should consider working for or getting your information from the National Inquirer for now on. Ahh! Rabbit from a hat. Here is another desperate step to discount any activity of the ...
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What kind of ranking system is used?
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Whoa. Think twice, now, unless you want the same standards applied to hollowpoints... --
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Know any Mormons? Know for a fact that this was happening? State of Texas says it wasn't, and they held a trial to prove it. Sure we can. The top two things are perfectly legal. The bottom one isn't. The person here who can't distinguish seems to be you. So the constitution is only for people you approve o...
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*sigh* It is standard procedure to suspend law enforcement officers, or re-assign them to administrative (non enforcement) duties, while an investigation into possible misconduct is going on. The Administration has given no indication that such suspensions will occur in this case. And given that the president, attorn...
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% %By Elias Davidsson - April 1991 (Revision Oct. 1991) Note - you are already posting "facts", some of which are outdated. The biased presentation of facts, as well as the conclusions that you reach leave me little hope of engaging in any fruitful exchange that might lead to a "meeting of the minds". It is to those...
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The obsession with discussions of past (or present) events seems to be largely centered on trying to "prove" that "they" are worse than "us". As we see over and over, that leads nowhere except to make ourselves feel superior. It's as if we've become addicted to periodic injections of "self-affirmation" that draw their...
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or so days. incident You seem to make two points. No one ultimately oversees the federal agencies you mention, and since Koresh "apparently" has a different view point from your Baptist upbringing, then he is not worthy of protection from religious persecution. As to being the Messiah, is not Christ within us a...
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Once again, Koresh closed the door on an agent with a search warrant, and the door was then perforated by a rain of bullets from the inside. They shot first.
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I *cannot* *believe* I am posting in this thread, but what the hell, he asked for it. I had sort of the same reaction myself when I was first realizing I was bi. "So what, >90% of everyone else is straight, I'd never end up with a guy anyway." As several people on soc.bi pointed out to me, this is true only if you ...
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