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The private insurance industry skims the cream off the milk...simple.
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Well Bosnia and the US did...the UN cannot impose blue berets on a country, and the US has voted for the current policy and mandate in the Security Council...and could have said no if it wanted to... it has a veto. Clinton has not demanded the removal of the UN forces...because he want to have his cake and eat it too...
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As far as I know, there is no FAQ for tpg. Somebody was working on one, but I think it "died in committee."
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Hey! If you can get it together, I'm all for it! I too am one of the poor (a college student) Get a bank account set aside, and set aside a big ass data base and you will get my contribution. I'm setting aside as of now 10$ a month. Not a slew of cash to be sure, but it's the best I can do. Let me know what you guys c...
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From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: Zionism - racism Diaspora 'a cancer' ------------------- by Julian Kossoff and Lindsay Schusman in: Jewish Chronicle, London, 22. Dec. 1989 Leading Israeli author and cultural commentator, A.B. Yehoshua, launched a ferocious attack on diaspora Jew...
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satire \'sa-tir\ n [MF or L; MF, fr. L _satura_, _satira_, fr. (lanx) satura full plate, medley, fr. fem. of _satur_ sated; akin to L _satis_ enough - more at SAD](1509) 1: a literary work holding up human vices and follies to ridicule or scorn. 2: trenchent wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or...
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With your level of understanding, my dear friend Mutlu probably thought that he'd be nice and help you genocide apologist to get the point. Besides, all your article reflects is your abundant ignorance. Ignorance is probably the main reason why you historical revisionist are in such a mess. You even make Nazi/crimin...
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The White House Office of the Press Secretary ----------------------------------------------------------------- For Immediate Release April 19, 1993 STATEMENT OF PRESIDENT CLINTON I am deeply saddened by the loss of life in Waco today. My thoughts and prayers are w...
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I heard the other day that Rush has gotten together with Tammy Faye Baker. They were crawling in bed the other night and Rush's feet brushed up against Tammy's legs. "God! your feet are cold" she said. Rush looked back at here and said, "Tammy honey, I told you when we're alone you can just call me Rush." ...
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How about tell everyone what the hell they were doing there in the first place? If we knew that, we'd be in a much better position to judge their actions. Until then, we can only speculate and develop nice conspiracy and/or police state stories.
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Has anyone considered how to prosecute a city holding a "no questions asked" buy-back for receiving stolen property?
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------------------------- Original Article ------------------------- The Colorado Daily recently reprinted the Wall Street Journal's article on Paxton Quigley, including the nefarious little paragraph the Journal tacked onto the end. After recieving much assistance from various T.P.G. type folks, I wrote a letter to ...
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Presumably the B-D did not mount a continuous state of alert with gunmen ready to fire on people who casually walked up to ring the doorbell. Once inside the building the BATF would have been in control. Trained police officers are a match to any bunch of Bozos playing at soldiers. Not a smart move. Unless meant...
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In <EGGERTJ.93May9230207@moses.ll.mit.edu> eggertj@moses.ll.mit.edu When I was in Jerusalem a couple of years ago, our guide told us the story of that mosque - not sure if it was true. Apparently, it was built by a Jewish convert to Islam. He had had a dispute with his neighbours, and built the mosque "davka" to an...
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First of all I'm still baffled what you possibly could have found racist in my argument for freedom of speach. I did not mention names, nationalities, countries let alone races. You are right in that Virginia.edu does not have a thought police like Israel.nysernet.org seems to. I didn't know that you guys are getting...
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What a JOKE! You can't actually believe what you just said. Can you? We bombed and invaded these countries. Notice the definition of war (from the American Heritage Dictionary): 1) A state or period of armed conflict between nations or states. This qualifies the invasions of Cambodia and Laos as wars. Then let me ...
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Let's discuss Reno's taking full responciblity. Is everyone happy with the outcome? Did the FBI pursue the correct course of action? was justice done? If Reno really meant what she said she would resign! She is just grand standing, period. What did those people do wrong in the first place? that is what i can't figure ...
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And you'd be wrong about that too. Note that Texas isn't unique in this "more with-gun deaths than with-car deaths", but some of the other states where it happens have extremely strict gun laws. Oops - so much for the "meaning". It isn't clear that the comparision means anything anyway as car accidents are unintent...
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Turkish Genocide Apology in revision <9304261646@zuma.UUCP> posted via its [fool] Thanks to those who joined millions of Turkish and Kurdish people [fool] on April 23, 1993 when they remembered, mourned and prayed for 2.5 [fool] million Muslim people who were ruthlessly exterminated by the fascist [fool] x-Soviet A...
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Yesterday, the FBI was saying that at least three of the bodies had gunshot wounds, indicating that they were shot trying to escape the fire. Today's paper quotes the medical examiner as saying that there is no evidence of gunshot wounds in any of the recovered bodies. At the beginning of this siege, it was reported ...
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On 20 Apr 93 13:34:03 GMT, Gary Piatt observed: : First, the median does not imply that half of the men are : above and half below 7.3: it simply means that 7.3 is the mid-point : between the maximum number of partners and the minimum (which is most : likely zero). Actually, the median *is* defined as the 50th perc...
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I think the answer to Mr. Mayamsky's question can be found in the first amendment to the US Constitution. Amendment I (1791) Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech...
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Drop three billiard balls on a ramp, and they all roll in the same direction. Pour some blood into the sea, and sharks will converge from miles around. Throw a pebble at one starling, and all 200 will depart. Natural processes can mimic the outward results of conspiracy when no actual conspiracy is required. Put ...
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Ironic, since it's pretty much what was used to blow up the World Trade Center... --
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: I'm responding at the risk of misreading your response, but I do have to tell my fellow conservatives to give it up, attacking Reno/Clinton/ATF/FBI. They may have botched an operation, but they didn't kill anybody who never shot at them first. David Koresh was a frigging lunatic. His followers had the combined ...
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: > : >Unless, of course, the problem is that homosexuality is a form : >of mental disorder, caused by childhood sexual abuse, as a number of : >recent works suggest. : : Which number is that? Zero? The only time I have heard mention of such a mechanism is with respect to FEMALE homosexuality resulting from HETEROSE...
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:So we try to ensure that the process of deciding whether to introduce :third parties isn't random. As Steve said above, there are examples :where third parties *are* less ignorant or corrupt than the two :primary parties; should this knowledge not be able to help? Of course it helps, but only if the decision to i...
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I guess you need to be reminded of some things! Have you ever heard of the First Amendment? I guess not. It isn't a crime to be a religous (I know you said "sacraligious", but it isn't your place to judge his religion) zealot in this country. REMEMBER we have freedom of religion in this country! I guess you are s...
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From: Center for Policy Research <cpr> Subject: Rabin and his Palestinians kapos Rabin's plans for a Palestinian police (from The Other Front, Alternative Information Center, Jerusalem, 5 May 1993) "The decision to view the setting up of a local police force for (sic) the Palestinians as the central issue for del...
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|>>|> Excerpts from "Insight" magazine, March 15, 1993 | *Paranoia part deleted.* | Isn't Insight magazine published by the Mooneys? I don't remember the article that you removed so I can't comment on it. What I can comment on though is your response. Do you really b...
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I think this is a little extreme, i am concerned about a couple of things i've seen lately. It seems to me that the government is *beginning* to enforce political correctness. the first King verdict was polically incorrect so the hell with constutitional protection from double jeopardy, try the cops again. the BD's a...
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You don't know much about the fall of Diem's government in Vietnam. Or the traditional Indian practice of Suttee. People have been burning themselves to death (or willing to go through such and end) for political and religious reasons since the beginning of time. Also, death from smoke inhalation is little bette...
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"savior" that their Tolerent, aren't we? Their's was hardly the first faith/sect/cult to espouse this type of belief. and I keep hearing this, and while I'll agree that he "should" have come out (legally, that was his best option), he didn't; and as far as I know, there is no legal provision for "we're tired o...
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So far, there is NO credible evidence that the BD's set the fires themselves. We only have the ATF/FBI's sayso. Law enforcements type would *never* lie to cover their ass, right? No, not love, just share a surprising similarity of beliefs and method. Funny, yeah, funny how you didn't wait for the FBI spokesdroid l...
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You have yet to answer any or all of my questions and challenges to your statements. By this am I to assume that you are unable to do so? Or just plain unwilling due to your lack of proof/intelligence? So what next? I prove you wrong so you just put me in your killfile? Your lack of reasoned response seems to ...
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Typical 'virvir' drivel. People will think you're just some looney howling in the wires. If you think that this 'clears things up' for me or anyone else, you must also believe that aliens from outer space come to earth regularly and abduct 'Arromdians' of ASALA/SDPA/ARF for medical experiments. There is stronger...
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Only because you are apparently easy to fool. In other words, your remark is obviously from someone who wouldn't know the difference. -- "Insisting on perfect safety is for people who don't have the balls to live in the real world." -- Mary Shafer, NASA Ames Dryden
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Well they could unseal the original warrent (Why was i sealed in the first place?), release their video & tapes (from their listening devices inside the compound) and quit makeing contradictory statements. Do you believe their statement that the children were killed by lethal injection? They later stated that the ch...
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Well everybody, After reading tons of notes by Serdar, I have come to the following conclusion. Turkey is PERFECT, and no Turk has ever made a mistake. He has proved to me at least that the land occupied by Turkey today, was ALWAYS lived in peacefully by Turks. (Including Istanbul AKA Constantinople) They tr...
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On TV news this morning it was reported that the local Texas authorities who have reviewed the cases of the 21 children who were released earlier in the siege have found no evidence of physical or sexual abuse of any of the children. I don't recall if this was on Good Morning America or our local Texas TV station.
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As we see right now, the position of influence enjoyed by parties favoring the negotiation process is tenuous at best. The local "elections" in Hebron that the PLO was expected to win (perhaps adding a bit to its flagging position of "legitimacy" in the eyes of Palestinians and the Middle East) have been disrupted by H...
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Minor quibble back at you. I am in the same general area as the Koresh compound and I can tell you that the air was quite chilly that morning, especially with the high winds that were blowing. (Of course the swiss cheese walls made it even worse. ;-)
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Oh my god, I made a typo AND used the word "god". Come burn my house down, I must deserve it.
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Funny, the medical examiner today stated that there was no evidence ONE WAY or ANOTHER that there were bullet wounds -- not a single autopsy has been performed, so all reports are deemed speculative. INCLUDING reports that there were NO bullet wounds. Before long, I think all the kneejerk conspiracy theorists are g...
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With one exception, that's a pretty good description of many of the Baptists I know. The exception is that they know the difference between an M-16 and an AR-15. Heck - they even know that "it looks like Richard Petty's stock car" doesn't mean "it's a racing stock car". They may be uncouth, but they've figured out ...
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Oh are we Jill? Let me tell you a story then... One evening not long in this country a man, a parolee, a convicted KNOWN violent crimminal lead police on high speed chase after breaking another law. He decided that police had no right to do their jobs and enforce the law and assualted two of while attempting to res...
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Religious fanaticism?
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agencies your dictionary I don't recall saying Baptists do any of that. Though I suppose some do. And none of them are listed in the dictionary as characteristics of a cult. My mother stockpiled Campbells soup when it was on sale. You are an intolerent, foul-mouthed human. You sound like you are read...
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Just saw on CNN that the independent team that examined the Waco fire and reported that it was started inside by the BDs is now under question. The attoneys for the BD's are claiming that it's not an impartial team for the team leader is the wife of one of the BATF agents. HA! The goverment continues with it's propag...
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I have not made up my mind about Waco, but there sure seems to be a group of devoted government following fanatics willing to believe whatever that government wants to tell them, without any shred of doubt, nor thought of thier own. They sure get shrill whenever their belief structure is being shaken. Kinda re...
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Folks, It's time to start building some precise questions to send to our federal elected officials and to investigative reporters in our local TV, radio and newprint media. Ideally, these questions could be asked at any investigation into the BATF's and FBI's participation at the WACO fiasco in hopes of being resolve...
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Net citizens! This is a desperate try to save our last course in university. We are writing a study about the Net, how it all started, about the people living in it, however trying to explain the basics of how it all works. That includes you, reader of this message. We would be more than grateful if we could get your a...
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: The Branch Davidians were not violent and were not planning to start : violence. : : When the BD compound was assaulted by the ATF the BD did fire back. : But they agreed to a cease fire and they allowed the ATF to care for : their wounded. The BD even released the ATF agents they captured. It : is clear from the...
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Here you give positive, accurate "facts" about what happened to the beduins and the land: After the creation of the State of Israel, 80 percent of the Negev Bedouin were expelled to the Sinai or to Southern Jordan. The 10,000 who were allowed to remain were confined to a territory of 40,000 hectares in a ...
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Watch the videotape carefully, the CNN coverage was fairly decisive. The first fire starts in the Tower, this is three storeys high and there is a flag to the right of it on the picture. The second fire starts in another tower which is similar to the first only two storeys high. The flag is on the left in the camer...
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This is historically incorrect. Early Zionist 'fighters' did indeed target civilians. They made random attacks in Arab marketplaces, killing innocent passers-by. Your assertion of the opposite is an attempt to whitewash history. Anyone can read about the history of the Zionist terrorists. A good book to start is...
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I'm no defender of the AEC, but it is worth noting that it is unfair to tar that organization with the decidedly minority scientific views of its former chairperson and one term Washington governor, Dr. Dixie Lee Ray. Dr. Ray's political agenda is well-known and documented. Likewise, her lack of objectivity in analys...
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Hey dude you are making me paranoid! What an argument!!! No, Frank Crary's arguments are based on the assumption that most people are sane, normal people. tpg disproves this of gun owners. USEnet as a whole disproves it of humanity as a whole. We now have proof positive that guns don't make you safer. Buy a lot ...
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Rejoice! The Streets of Amerika are much safer now that the Branch Davidians no longer have those nasty assault weapons. Your children will no longer lie awake at night wondering when the next Brand Davidian will attempt to shoot them from their rural compound. Men, women, and children have been murdered by our gr...
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A friend recorded CNN news during the gassing and incineration of the BD's. I went through it carefully today, and found something very interesting. A tank is pulling out of the house, and there is a fireball, maybe 24" across that lasts for about 1 second. Exactly ten minutes and thirty nine seconds later, the smoke...
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It is all so changed by now. but in case any of you is interested in what I actually said, I never compared the Israeli treatment of the palestinians with the Holocaust. Anyway that is the truth if it matters. I was about to forget about it myself since everyone started calling me anti-semitic for making the comparison...
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This is such Bullshit. Deir Yassin was an unprovoked attack on the part of the Jews, and a massacre defines it best in my opinion. The village of Deir Yassin had had a pact with the Jews, a peace pact, but the Irgun purposely broke this agreement in order to scare off the Palestinians. I might gra...
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I see that I misphrased my question. I should have asked WHICH full-autos Kratz can accurately distinguish from semi-auto look-alikes. I should have also included some semi-auto only guns in my list to see if he'd ask how to distinguish them from their non-existent full-auto "relatives". Let's do the former now. K...
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"Society" is impossible without some shared set of moralities, sense of what is "god" and what is "bad" action and basic foundation of something "universal".
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Apparently you are unfamiliar with the history of the FBI. You might try looking up articles from the 70's on the FBI's Cointelpro operation for starters. -- Dave Feustel N9MYI <feustel@netcom.com>
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[...] The House Document Room can be reached at +1 202 225 3456. You need to have the number of the document you want (e.g. HR1036) and they'll be happy to send it to you. Tell them if it's going to be a big stack, because the surly sounding guy who answers is scrawling in a really awful hand on the back of the en...
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That's right. Despite claims that someone at Kent State fire a shotgun at the the soldiers, the only projectiles that anyone can prove where sent in the direction of the soldiers were rocks.
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Did anyone notice any helicopters equipped with thermal imaging equipment? They usually manifest themselves in a turret in the front of the helo, or a sphere on top of the rotor with optical elements.
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Is that how the mind of a compulsive liar works? The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in x-Soviet Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are remarkable similarities between the plots, the perpetrators, and the underdogs. The stories of survivors of Karabag mas...
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I appeal to to all of you to show up in Washington DC. this saturday to participate in a peaceful demonstration for the sake of humanity!! This is a critical point in the history of world and we can make a change otherwise things will not change there in Bosnia.. Rapes/killings/ethnic cleansing will go on as a norm in...
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Well, does it change the fact that during the period of 1914 to 1920, the Armenian Government ordered, incited, assisted and participated in the genocide of 2.5 million Muslim people because of race, religion and national origin? Between 1914 and 1920, 2.5 million Turks perished of butchery at the hands of Armeni...
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James, it could be that they were determined to stay together in the compound no matter what happened. Perhaps the fire was accidental, and the DB simply refused to leave the compod. Perhap they died fighting the fire? who knows. we will have to wait and see. i persaonlly find it hard to believe that they would all ...
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If there was a large propane tank, and it was breached, don't you think that there would be an identifiable explosion? Further, the BD members have as much reason to lie as the Gov't. They'd only autopsied one body when this information was released. I wouldn't doubt though The only evidence that exists...
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Hey, Clayton, it's me again! I just love your arguments. They completely clinch each and _every_ one of your points! But then again, that, I suppose, says a lot about how screwed up your are. Hehe. I haven't had so much fun since I started blasting christians in alt.atheism!
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The following announcement is from the Bosnia Task Force, USA. Yusuf Islam (formerly Cat Stevens of London) and Muhammad Ali (former heavyweight champion) will be the grand marshals of the Washington rally on Saturday, May 15, 93 ------------------------------...
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STOP IT!!!! ENOUGH!!! I'm out of there! I mean, I'm a relatively sane person. God knows I'm weak and will forgive me. But I'm not stupid enough to stay in this place any longer. I WANT OUT!!! Yeah, and at least one person ran back in. SOunds like a personal choice to me. Religious fanaticsm, and a beleive that d...
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No one is forced to blow up airplanes. Terrorism is a choice made by people because they do not want to work for peace. There are *lots* of military targets in Israel. There are lots of legitamate targets in Israel. Old ladies, children, and civilians in general are not acceptable targets. If the only pers...
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It seems that, to keep the peace talks going, Israel has to keep making goodwill gesture after goodwill gesture, while Palestinian Arabs continue to go around hunting Jews. If the peace talks are going to have any realistic chance of success, the Arabs are going to have to start reciprocating, especially since they ar...
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If you _know_ that the number is "so high", would you care to provide it? To tell you the truth, Hamid, most of those killed by the Israeli Army were agressors who were invading or attacking Israel with the intention of murdering Jews and destroying the Jewish State. Thus, I have no sympathy for them and I really ...
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+>Critisism is too easy. What solutions do people have that would have been +>better than what the FBI had been doing for the last few months? After the seige began: Surround the place with Razor wire and then let them sit. Do not have daily press conferences, do your best to keep things out of the press. As th...
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This whole thread is rediculous. Who cares if they had a stove going or not. Does it matter if they had a stove burning, or lanterns burning, or candles burning, or someone smoking, etc, etc, etc. The premise is that the FBI was filling the house with napalm so that it would catch fire. This is crazy. FBI was NOT...
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#Really? I thought that insurance companies hired all of #their actuarial staffs to determine the risks correlated #with all groups of people, and that gays are more likely #to have AIDS than are those of other sexual orientations. Correlation != causality. The risk factor is having non-monogomous unprotected sex, n...
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Granted. Pomeroy, Bell, Weinberg, 1967. "National Institute of Mental Health Paper 12353, ''Patterns of Adjusment in Deviant Populations.''" Cited as part of the National Institute of Mental Health Task Force on Homosexuality. Pomery concluded, "The Kinsey statistic of 37% is probably higher than is reali...
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Interesting that Janet Reno has publically announced that we need steal ourselves for more Wacos. I wonder if I can get the gasoline concession. Yup. Kill that bastard! Ah, yes. The ILLEGAL helicopter, searchign for the non-existent PCP lab. I remember it well, even...
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Ofranko. Coming from a self-exposed historical revisionist, a self-admitted anti-Muslim and a genocide apologist, Hamaza should take your drivel as a compliment. Furthermore, you even deny the obvious. There was a genocide of the Muslims carried out by order of the fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government. Massacres ...
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dear pete, for one who is so zionist as you, you should at least know your hebrew, young man. The last sentence in your posting should read: Medina achat leshnai amim (not Echad medionnot leshtai amim). I don't want to address your comments. They speak for themselves. best regards from a Palestinian of Jewish orig...
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I too noticed that in all this screaming and shouting, not one person brought up the question of atrocities being commited on non-muslims by the Sudanese Government. Could it be that they are Africans and so who cares? I suggest that everyone cut the hypocrisy and bleating about Bosnia and go on to discuss some...
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<forgot to leave in his quote source> : >What happened in Waco is not the fault of the BATF. If they would of : >had the proper equipment and personal then they could of captured the : >compound on the initial assault and none of this would of happened. The BATF is a part of the dept. of treasury, not justice. If they...
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That is the result of living in an alternate universe with 'Arromdians' of the ASALA/SDPA/ARF Terrorism and Revisionism Triangle. Are you '*ians' for real? A Final Goodbye in Azerbaijan: [Photo by Associated Press]: "At a cemetery in Agdam, Azerbaijan, family members and friends grieved during the burial of victim...
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Well, it seems we don't learn the lessons of history do we? I was hoping that Kent State taught us a lesson. Apparently not. Apparently the government will murder anyone they choose to still. --- Rawlin Blake blake@nevada.edu
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Actually Judea and Samaria are proper geographical names, just like Asia Minor or Lake Michigan. Judea and Samaria are even used in an atlas published in (what used to be) USSR circa 1970 that I have at home. The government of the USSR was of course quite hostile towards Israel and would hardly e...
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I saw this nifty drawn out posting and I thought I might give the two of you a little help with your problem. As you both know what you posted,(and this foolish thing gave me so much shit last time I tried to post) I took the liberty of deleting all but the header and a single quote. I hope you don't ...
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At first this kind of ranting annoyed me, but now it's rather entertaining. These kinds of posts don't require ANY facts, logic, or even sense. It's kind of like what 10-year old kids do on the playground. So go on and play. Not everyone on the net is as simple minded as you guys seem to be. ------------------------...
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What is "doing it right the first time"? Murdered them all? Used tanks? Maybe they should have had enough evidence to indict. From the list presented to date, I haven't seen ANYTHING illegal. They claim that the BD's bought components to convert their weapons to Class III devices, but no evidence that they had do...
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It appears it is time that this article (originally posted by Larry Cipriani last year, and which I saved) gets posted again. It offers as good an analysis of the meaning of the Second Amendment, especially regarding the militia clause, as I have seen. I have not seen any rebuttles with similar bone fides... Enjoy....
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