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Can anyone figure out what kind of deranged parent was stupid enough to bring their infant on a rock throwing crusade (or jihad, sorry)? 18-month old infants certainly don't walk around the streets on their own. That would lead me to believe that some nimrod of a "parent" brought them along for a little terrorism....
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# #I used to think that homosexuals were OK -- but havng now gotten a # #chance through USENET to know quite a few, I've realized that I was # #misled in my youth. Homosexuals are vicious, screwed-up, often # #really evil people. # # That's a load of shit. If you really have the naivete to believe that the # bozos o...
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The borders of the Jewish state as drawn by the U.N. included the areas which contained mostly Jews, that's what the surveys and the numerous commitees where after when they visited here. I never touched an Arab during my army service and never voted for anyone more right than the Green party. Will I be spared by...
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From Israeline 4/27/93 Rabin: We Must Concentrate on Qualitative Changes in Israeli Society Today's AL HAMISHMAR quotes Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's Independence Day interview yesterday on Israel Television. Rabin said that enforcing Jewish sovereignty over the entire Land of Israel would lead to the establishment...
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Indeed. Larry King had the two attorneys (whose clients are now dead) of Koresh and another Davidian on his show last night. Their discussions with the survivors differ from the FBI account. The attorneys say that they were told that the tanks knocked over lanterns in the compound which started the fires. Gover...
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Excuse me? Quality? As in grade A CO2 and grade B CO2? I may not have this quite right but I was under the impression that CO2 was CO2. Furthermore, A) There is no reason to believe this system is inherently stable- The Ice ages occured without any help from humans. B) The point was that the human contributio...
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I made a few phone calls today, and found that if you call the Bill Room at the Sacramento State Capitol, you may order free of charge any bills that are currently being pushed. I was told that they will only fill an order of five bills per phone call, but when I asked kindly and told the nice lady that it was very im...
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NOTE - local tx groups trimmed out of Newsgroups: line < <In article <1r208f$bp2@transfer.stratus.com>, cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. <>No, you were right the first time. Law enforcement agencies should keep <>HIS opinions in mind before breaking into or assaulting ANYBODY'S house. < <OK, let me correct my unfortunate ch...
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garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) writes... It was on CBS yesterday. The explanation is reasonable enough. Then again, if the fire was accidental, why didn't more people get out? That's true. I think there were several Australians in the group as well. _____ _____ ...
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Put up or shut up. Where is your evidence? Show a study indicating a link between liking >>GROWN UPS<< of the same sex and liking children. Saying that 30% of molested children are male shows nothing since it tells you nothing of the molesters preference in adults (if they have any at all). The politicians will hav...
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No we don't. They might be zealous, and maybe the bureau shouldn't exist by some people, but they ARE NOT NAZIS. Why do people toss around the Nazi label so easily?
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I asked some simple questions at different occations. I don't understand why some people insulted me for those SIMPLE questions! Anyway, I didn't reply to them with the same language and I won't, because 1. There is no need 2. There is no benefit 3. I don't have time to reply to those garbages By the way, do you w...
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[BH] Tsiel, [BH] I would contend that there was shelling from both sides of the border, [BH] starting from the early 70's. Certainly the PLO did shell Northern [BH] Israel from the Arqoub region, but Israel did much more shelling [BH] destroying several South Lebanese villages. At the very least [BH] we can say tha...
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Alberto, you've repeatedly misunderstood my postings. You are now making the exact point that I've made several times but with a different definition of religion. You don't not have to believe in the "religious" aspects of Judaism to be a Jew (this would confine Judaism to be just a religion in the sense of a Christ...
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But the "values and systems that make the rich rich" all basically amount to freedom of choice. In New England in 1800 the entire economy was based on the small family farm. Farm economy households were economically diversified, producing not only agricultural goods but also "manufactured" goods, especia...
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REFLECTIONS ON BOSNIA LORD OWEN AND THE SERBS In early February '93, Lord Owen made appearances in New York City on the Donahue and Charlie Rose shows. On a couple of occasions on those shows Lord Owen gave away his pro-Serbian position when he made the point that much or most of the Bosnian territory then in dispute...
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Muslims helping the Nazis??? Where on earth do you come up with such accuusation?? Do you have proofs?? If not, you should publically apologize for such a statement. Last time I heard, the nazis prided themselves in needing no body to carry their politics and ideologies. And if your statment were true, don't you ...
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You *know* that putting something like this out on the newsgroup is *only* going to generate flames, not discussion. Try adding some substance to the issue of "gestures" you mentioned. What is it you feel that Israel *has* offered as a "gesture"? What would you (*realistically*) expect to see presented by the Arabs/P...
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There were a great many Germans, Poles and others who did not sympathize with the victims of the Holocaust but instead participated with enthusiasm in the killing. The Holocaust wasn't a massacre, it wasn't even killing for sport; it was an entire Industry of Death. German engineers, architects technicians and bure...
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Yes, it is. I have taken photos of it's minaret. Dunno. This doesn't sound like "eye for an eye" anymore. Changed your tune?
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Dear Elias, I counted at least 4 such answers in public (plus whatever private email replies you may have received), yet you refuse to accept anything. Perhaps you are better off in the private world of the "Center for Policy Research" in Iceland where you can define "sensible" in whatever way makes you feel most c...
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I have NEVER spoken for a ban against guns in America ! What I've said is that there seems to be to MANY of them, and especially to many in wrong hands.... Now IF you would like to reduce the number, how would you do it without affecting good/responcible gun owners ?? I DO believe in a persons freedom. What I don't ...
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From article <1r0mhtINNa59@cronkite.Central.Sun.COM>, by dbernard@clesun.Central.Sun.COM (Dave Bernard): I noticed that too. Special agent (asshole actually) Ricks stated that David Koresh had "explosives that could blow up an armored vehicle 40 feet into the air." It looked like to me that the BDs had plenty of opp...
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Now which is it? Are you going to comdemn national media, then turn around and use it to support some position you present? Seems somewhat contradictory doesn't it. I believe this true when we speak of physical data, in the sense of pure science. But when we speak of data that revolve around social sciences the...
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I'd bet cash 90% of the people couldn't find the window after six minutes! Ask anybody who's taken basic training in the military. It is not at all uncommon for a few soldiers who have not properly attached and cleared their masks to require assistance exiting the chamber. Since that chamber has a door, not just...
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Rabin is the PM. Did he ever indicate such a wish? Try to implement it? I opt for the third. Ish
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Just from experience, seeing a couple of houses burn down, one doesn't need any accelerant to get a lot of black soot. There's plenty of stuff in a house that will burn 'dirty'. Even the asphalt shingles would make a really sooty smoke.
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Arab citizens have the all the same rights as Jews. Arabs are exempt from military service, but that is about it. Arabs have a full voice in Israeli politics, to the degree that they choose to get involved. They may vote. There are Arabs in the Cabinet.
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I just exchange ideas over the USENET with other people. I never attacked you as to put you in the need to defend yourself against me. I am not a violent person, and I do not see how can anyone be threatened by the opinions and ideas of others as expressed on USENET. I asked you to continue on email because I am not ...
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From article <C5n90x.EsJ@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>, by gsh7w@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Hennessy): Really? I thought that insurance companies hired all of their actuarial staffs to determine the risks correlated with all groups of people, and that gays are more likely to have AIDS than are those of other sexual ...
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The whole "saddam is going to invade Saudi Arabia" was nothing but US State Department propeganda. Saddam (and Iraq in general) never recognised the British created Kuwait. They were trying to recover land they believed was theirs, much like the Argentines in the Faulklands. The Kuwaitis pushed just a little too f...
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A typical Nazi/racist Armenian of 'ASALA/SDPA/ARF'. Can it be that criminal/Nazi Armenians of ASALA/SDPA/ARF hate Muslims for ideological reasons regardless of what they do? Between 1914 and 1920, your criminal Armenian grandparents committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of despotism, orga...
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There are basically three alternatives for Gaza: 1. To throw the Jews to the sea. that is basically to make them leave the Middle-East and go back to where they came from (russia, Europe, USA, etc) 2. To throw the Gazans into the sea, in accordance with Yitzhak Rabin's wish and that of many Zionists. 3. For...
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In <1993Apr21.175443.5338@dct.ac.uk> mcsdc1jpb@dct.ac.uk (John Bell) dribbles in his nappies and manages to splutter: You know, John, if you had kept the follow-up to line here on talk politics guns, we might have taken you a bit more seriously. It would have at least implied that you had some backbone, perhaps a mo...
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I am replying to this because I haven't seen anyone else do so yet. It seems rather odd really as there are so few really wierd posters left who aren't fascists or Arab extremists. Yes it was and it was clearly admitted so by the troops who carried it out and then stupidly deposited testimony in their own archives t...
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Remember me, Tom? I hope you'll respond, and I seem to be a Voice of Reason or some such (I've been recieving fan mail, so naturally my ego is somehwat inflated of late), and hope to make a few points here. And our argument is that you cannot remove them from the people who need restricting and not remove them fr...
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Hmm... all reports from Texas authorities indicate that none of the children which the group released showed any signs of child abuse.. given that the same results were found the last time the group was investigated for such allegations, I can pretty much state that I strongly suspect the government of disinformation ...
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Who said it was dead. It seems to be alive and well here on the net.
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From psc@sei.cmu.edu (Peter Capell) on rec.martial-arts... >I'm sure such weapons have been developed. Our society does not, >however, condone their possession or use. Actually, Joe, I wrote the above. Peter was responding to my article. I'm actually rather confused by your post. I suppose I didn't make...
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Pardon me? History shows that within the last 170 years, Greeks played that game twice: They used Istanbul Patriarch Grigorios in 1822 to instigate the Morea rebellion that resulted in the massacres of the Muslim people. Again, the Orthodox Patriarch Constantine V invited the Russian Czar Nicholas II to invade th...
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Did anyone else notice how the question of what federal laws were violated was brushed aside? I'd like to know what laws were violated, and on what evidence the orignial BATF warrants were based.
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They were attacking the Iraqis to drive them out of Kuwait, a country whose citizens have close blood and business ties to Saudi citizens. And me thinks if the US had not helped out the Iraqis would have swallowed Saudi Arabia, too (or at least the eastern oilfields). And no Muslim country was doing much of anythin...
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From Israeline 4/27/93 Peace Talks Resume Today; Israel to Offer Palestinians New Proposals Israel Radio, KOL YISRAEL, reports on today's resumption in Washington of the bilateral peace talks, following a recess which lasted over four months. According to the report, Israel is expected to offer the Palestinians new ...
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Perhaps Iranians are not Arabs even not-so-strictly-speaking ?
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shut up andi!
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Certainly many religious beliefs seem to be positive principles for everyday living. Indeed, I believe it is the Islamic religion which avoids alcohol (I apologize if I name the wrong religion) and that is certainly a physical positive in many respects. However, this proves nothing. Just because something is a "bas...
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Mr. Cramer, when are you going to stop indulging in such blatant lies? This is not only not true, you know damned well that it's not true. None of your research supports this; no mental health expert has taken this position. This is *your own* opinion which is not backed up by any research or any knowledge. Accordi...
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According to the NY Times, the 4 islands "belong[] to the United Arab Emirates." Why is it, then, that when the British, Iranians and UAE refer to Occupied Territory, they mean territory in dispute in Israel but not in their own affairs?
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: : >It's quite possible that a buyer and seller will both : >trust some third party more than either trust the other, and : >will desire the moderation of that third party. But if a random : >third party assumes the right to interfere in a transaction contarary : >to the wishes of the primary participants, odds are ...
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It is the Serbs who were divided when Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina attempted to secede from Yugoslavia, ripping more than 2,000,000 Serbs and their property out of Yugoslavia. The Croatian and Muslim nations had the right to secede, not the Republics. Additionally, the secessions were to be negotiated, which w...
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I seem to recall graphic news file of buddhist monks setting themselves on fire in the streets of Saigon. Yes, its a horrible way to go, but apparently not so horrible that someone with enough religious conviction might not be able to carry it through. And, since they've discovered bullet wounds in a couple of the b...
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Frankly, I'm sick of being lied to. It was bad before Clinton, and now it's worse. Here, listen to Ricks' ( FBI ) words, ONE-HALF hour before the fire: " Come out with your hands up. This matter is NOW OVER. " Now, I hear Ricks ( and REno ) claiming that this was just "anoth...
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Damned if you do and Damned if you don't! Just for the record, Egyptian troops were one of the first to be stationed there. I can't remember the exact date but it was late last year. In fact, they lost at least one man there as far as I know.
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: > From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg) : Bzzzzt. THANK you for playing, but obviously you are not reading the : material as it is presented. According to the report I've got in my : hands, the Newsweek article (which reported that "2 to 3 percent" of the : population is gay) used the criteria of "No...
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A repost from talk.religion.misc,talk.politics.guns,soc.culture.jewish: From: cdt@sw.stratus.com (C. D. Tavares) Subject: Re: Who's next? Mormons and Jews? Date: 20 Apr 1993 19:15:13 GMT Organization: Stratus Computer, Inc. All government claims. If they were really stocking such weapons for Armageddon, how come...
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This is getting sad. All you can do is make this ridiculous statements, based upon some old information and a Press Democrat article that was poorly written. Please show the numbers for your use of "MUCH more". I have not seen them. And I want them to be true and accurate, or at least show a trend within the ever...
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The BATF got sat on pretty early on. After the initial shooting was over, it pretty much become the FBI's show. (Even that BATF guy stopped showing up next to the speaker at the daily press conferences).
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I'm getting tired of these wimpy Liberals whining about gun control, too! Ya know, the Second Amendment says A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Now, notice, it says *arms*. Not guns. Arms. The Comsym...
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Few simple points: Leadership: You are responsible for all that your subordinates do or fail to do. Law: Any deaths that occur as a result or during the commision of a crime are a felony against whoever dies during the incident, ...
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I think it was - he went into town fairly often, and was known to go jogging. This was even during the 9 month period when he was being watched. One wonders why the BATF went ahead, when they had been warned according to an interview with a BATF agent, that the BD were expecting them, and why they had the media in t...
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Atomic Energy Commision - Hmm, they would say this. The Earth may spew alot of substances into the atmosphere, but the quality of your toxic output can easily make up for the lack of quantity. Furthermore, the planet is a system of carbon, sulfur and other chemicals which have been acting for billions of years, we...
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Announcing the Trincoll Journal Trinity College's Paperless Publication The Trincoll Journal is an interactive magizine written in Hypercard. This publication offers a wide variety of information concerning the "Trinity Campus", and the Greater Hartford Area. In ...
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>>You should face the facts. Love Canal was not, and is not, an >>environmental disaster, nor even a problem. >> >>Nor is Times Beach and TMI and acid rain killing trees and >>.... >> >Not a problem? Would you move to Three Mile Island? I would >imagine there is some cheap property avail...
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Providing safety and security for one's own people is the most fundamental responsibility of any political entity. For the Palestinian leadership to refuse to accept this responsibility, i.e. take the responsibility to protect their people from radical Palestinian elements who are opposed to the peace process, is repr...
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Our doctors' monopoly is exactly the same as in the U.S., if not more powerful now that they can dictate insurance payment rates, but I don't know an answer to this one. Anecdotally, my friends who are MD's (including my main buds from high school) talk about how hard it is to turn "state's witness" against someone e...
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That study which was in the NEJM, I think, noted that the frequency of heart surgery on patients over seventy increase with income in California (I guess richer people have more heart disease in California -) ) whereas the frequency of surgery on patients over seventy in Canada was relatively uniform across income di...
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Whatever. Anyway, Elias should take a look at my quotes to find real, effective ways of getting your point across. Notice that all the quotes are recent. Buy a clue, Nazi man from up north.
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do not, and i repeat, do not, cross post the following subjects to soc.culture.iranian: Re: Jews Supports Serbs Re: Arab Leaders and Bosnia Re: HizbAllah in Bosnia Re: The Stage is Being Set that's all we need here; more bigotry and hate! believe me, we have already reached our quota for the year. try again next ...
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there is NO evidence of effect of gun buyback programs but hopefully if there is any effect it may prevent injuries or deaths in one of these types of common incidents. Firearms are the fifth-leading cause of unintentional deaths among children ages 14 and under. I don't understand how the ratio to other accident...
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In fact, this "productive human presence" in the desert has, in the centuries it has been there, produced one of the greatest civilizations in human history. They not only created the wheel, but the printing press, the light bulb, Post-Modern skyscraper architecture, Broadway theatre and nuclear power, as well. Ri...
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Oh.. just a note, my usually poor typing is made even more dificult by the small keyboard and mutiple connections I am piped through in order to access news while here in DC. I'm really not trying to irritate the spelling mavens :-) LUX ./. owen
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Heavens! Everybody but Phill is out of step! Once again, Phill lets us all know that might makes right -- but ONLY for the all-sacred government. --
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Has anybody heard an explanation of why the FBI was using tear gas in a 35 mph wind? Doesn't seem like vry good tactics to me ... Any other explanations? Lew
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Okay. I have my copies of all relevant gun-control bills. I'm mad as hell. I want to get involved. I want to join the battle to protect our Second Amendment Rights. Who do I write? Who should I concentrate on writing my comments to? The actual author of the bill? The supporters of the bill? My Congressman? My ...
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I dont think you're correct here. There have been no reports of the Bosnians Muslims supporting the Nazis in their genocide against the Serbians. The fact is that the Cr...
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It is interesting, sometimes, to listen to U.S. news as seen through the eyes of another country....... B.B.C. world news service, on short-wave, originating out of London, reports that a survivor of the Waco massacre states that a tank, when making a hole in the wall of the building, knocked over a kerosene lamp and ...
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What crap, Phil. 50mm? Wrong. To give you a clue as to how big 50mm is, the F-16 fighter aircraft have 20mm gattling guns used to shoot down other aircraft. A 50mm gun would be somewhere in the `cannon' realm. They might have had .50 calibre but definitely not 50mm. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><...
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Wrong. Quite true. And evolution made "decided" that homosexuality had a place, otherwise it would have disappeared quite quickly. There are very few animals which do not exhibit homosexual behavior. It has been here before humans existed, and will be here after the human race has gone. Quite true. 2000 years of r...
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And is there a reason or value for such a brainless shit for brains asshole to be haer. You are a self hating bastard. Neither your name nor your ideas, which I've come across before and thought were too stupid and uncivlized to respond to, prove your first-worldist claim and civility. Give me sources to read it ...
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Um, I sortof hesitate to bring this up, but owning even a single share entitles you to attend the annual shareholders meeting, and under most corporate charters to introduce topics to be discussed. While I *don't* suggest the tactic used by some in Japan (go to the shareholders meeting, and disrupt the bejeezus out ...
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# # # ># So Steve: Lets here, what IS zionism? # # > Assuming that you mean 'hear', you weren't 'listening': he just # > told you, "Zionism is Racism." This is a tautological statement. # # I think you are confusing "tautological" with "false and misleading." No, but you're right that I didn't express myself ...
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Broadcasting amplified sounds of tortured rabbits? Burning alive men, women, and children? We have on our hands here some truly sick puppies.
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... Wayne McGuire? Did someone prove he's anon15031@anon.penet.fi, and he ran off to restock on PCP?
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This is really uncalled for. You cannot expect a European, growing up in a culture of "rulers" and "subjects," to immediately grasp the concepts of individual independence and citizen sovereignity in the US. He's less at fault than the countrymen we have here who also can't grasp it. --
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why does this remind me of bosnia and ethnic cleansing ?????? tippu
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Can people please stop the 'I think/know the BATF/FBI are completely responsible but they'll cover it up so that the investigation will show that Koresch is responsible' bs. In an investigation of this size with the feds, state, and civilians involved in the investigation it would be practially impossible to cover up. ...
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Interesting development. Especially since the Feds (and the U.N.) accused Saddam Hussein of using illegal chemicals on his own citizens as well. Hmmm... Republican Guard/Iraqu Army = FBI/BATF? You decide. -- I hope very much that others who will be tempted to join cults and to become involved with people like Da...
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While also allowing law enforcement agencies to intercept phone conversations of criminals *and* non-criminals unlawfully. ("No, Rev. King, we aren't spying on you.") I wonder how long it will take for "the wrong people" to put their hands on the equipment necessary to read this stuff. It'll probably ...
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Pardon me? Your ignorance cramps my conversation. Although the administrative mechanism was a strictly centralized one, the Ottoman Empire 'was a classical example of a pluralist social order.' The 'millet system' was the mechanism which shaped the social order of the multi-national Ottoman Empire and stood behin...
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So, you approve of the BATF launching a 100-person raid, complete with flack jackets, men hidden in horse trailers, stun grenades, semi-auto weapons on peaceful citizens? who would also accept a search authoried by a court? There is still no proof that the Branch Davidians had illegal weapons. Nothing else was in th...
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Josip, please, don't be offended at this question: Who are the "Muslims" in the Bosnian context? i know that a moslem/muslim is a believer in Islam. Islam is a religion and it is practised in many parts of the world. But it is not , yes definitely not, an ethinic group. ok! so, these Bosnian Muslims, who are they? to...
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# # Which Article of the Constitution gives me the right of revolution if things # seem to be going cockeyed?? # # Hmmm... # -- # Peter G. White, President, Synthesis 93 Inc. # Milwaukee, Wisconsin, U.S.A. # Peter.White@mixcom.com
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[TC] Do you, as I do, agree that this (sort) of "peace process" is needed? [TC] What about the particular points mentioned in the article? Is what [TC] Israel is (supposedly) going to propose "good"? Does it go too far? [TC] Not far enough? [TC] If you don't agree that a "peace process" is needed, what is? I person...
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The best reason to abolishing the ATF is that they don't have enough to do. If the organization were disbanded and its duties assigned to the FBI (firearms) and IRS (tobacco and alcohol). Both of these organizations have enough to do. The FBI is probably not going to try to get a criminal charge of illegal machine g...
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[...] Some of the Davidians *are* black. Next question?
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[...] The President is not competent to plan or judge the planning of such a raid, nor does he need to be. His job is to set basic policies and manage the people under him. If Clinton instructed Reno to preserve lives, and if she confirmed that the plan for the raid was a safe as could be, then he did his job. The ...
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Source: Channel 4 News at 19.00, Monday 2 March 1992. 2 French journalists have seen 32 corpses of men, women and children in civilian clothes. Many of them shot dead from their heads as close as less than 1 meter. Source: BBC1 Morning news at 07.37, Tuesday 3 March 1992. BBC reporter was live on line and he claimed...
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THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ______________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 23, 1993 PRESS CONFERENCE BY THE PRESIDENT The East Room 1...
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In Massachusetts, you will likely be arrested for murder, but if you convince the cops/DA that you used lethal force because of threat of death or serious bodily harm, then the charges would probably be dropped. If you run away and are later caught, then you will have a much harder time convincing cops/judge/jury of ...
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