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Poor Phill Hallam-Baker. The tremors are getting worse, and his stratospheric typing skills can no longer keep up. [spelling flame or real sympathy - only his hairdresser knows for sure] [Official Mossad policy: we don't stop until we get Disneyland!]
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But it IS made false by your ridiculous leap of logic from "monogamous homosexual male sex is so rare" (which is a load of horseshit--as proportionately many queers are monogamous as hets, and the ones who aren't use condoms, for the most part) to "for practical purposes, homosexuality spreads AIDS." No. Unprotec...
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Or perhaps David Koresh didn't listen too well?? Just because mistakes were made does not mean the President *lied*.
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My recollection of History/Documentary books is slitely different. It is my understanding that Croats were allies of Germany during WWII, while Serbs had sided with Russia. As a result Serbs did take a beating from Croats (NOT Bosnian Moslems) while Germany had the upper hand. Even today, Russians consider/call Serbs...
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The Houston Chronicle last Thursday (maybe Wednesday) said that the interior of walls had been covered with hay bales to help protect against bullets. Many of you know how fast dry hay burns. In addition, the gas is specifically designed to force eyes closed and the victim to vomit. How fast could you leave your b...
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Message-ID: <1993Apr26.202714.4519@Virginia.EDU> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1993 20:27:14 GMT First, the following two quite normal phrases: ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ and then he shows us what HE means by "intelligent and unoffending manner" and "INTELLIGENT conversation"...
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Of course they did, otherwise they wouldn't have staged the raid in the first place. Napalming seems a bit redundant. The Stupidity was in the BATF mindset 'We're from Washington We Know Better" Execute Plan A: Storm the compound in a No-Knock - the locals are gullible rubes, who cares that they served warrents...
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I couldn't agree more. Canada has an anti-hate law which exists to punish those who wilfully spread false propaganda (lies) for the purpose of putting down another group. This is actually the law that David Irving will hopefully be found guilty under due to his denial of the Holocaust. It's too bad that this usele...
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Bye. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has Garrett Johnson come." --Tussman Garrett@Ingres.com "The probability of someone watching you is proportional to the stupidity of ...
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Generally the ship sinks (sorry, there's a picture of the USS Iowa next to my desk). First, unless that round is chambered there is little threat of penetration by the bullet, or the brass for that matter. Unless that expanding gas is held in an enclosed space you get a nice "pop" and not enough threat for even ...
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That doesn't answer my question: Can you give a proof that it is an official policy of any Israeli government to kill "neutral observers" or UN personel or others like them? I wasn't sure that your original statement was wrong and was prepared to recieve proofs that you are right (since I don't follow the events c...
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Hmm... For more recent lesson what about that little square in China? Another lesson might be the one repeated every year in Tibet... And of course there's always El Salvador... And the beat goes on and on... :^( MESSAGES FROM GOD: GET OFF YOUR ASS! DON'T TRUST THE GOVERNMENT! AT ANY TIME! FOR ANY REASON! ...
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# #From the Santa Rosa (Cal.) Press-Democrat, April 15, 1993, p. B2: # # # # Male sex survey: Gay activity low # # Note this contradictory title- Gay Activity Low. Not really. The percentage of gays was low. Headline writers aren't noted for accuracy. # # A new natonal study on male sexual behavior, the mos...
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: : It would seem that a society with a "failed" government would be an ideal : setting for libertarian ideals to be implemented. Now why do you suppose : that never seems to occur?... Advances in freedom have been made in the past. The "divine right of king" concept was questioned at one time and may have used th...
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I'm not sure were this thread has been before i popped in, but I've never thought of waiting periods as having anything to do with training or competence. I just can't imagin any valid reason for having a gun that can't wait a few days. I can think of plenty of bad reasons for not wanting a waiting period: I want to bu...
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# #However, monogamous homosexual male sex is so rare that for practical # #purposes, homosexuality spreads AIDS. # #-- # #Clayton E. Cramer {uunet,pyramid}!optilink!cramer My opinions, all mine! # #Relations between people to be by mutual consent, or not at all. # You fucking homophobic moron!!!!!!!!! What about I...
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[unrelated text deleted] I think that Phil needs to get out a ruler and see exactly how big 50mm rounds are - roughly 2" diameter. The type of stuff used in Anti-Aircraft gunnery. .50 calibre is much smaller, but the 3000m effective range (~2mi) sounds about right. Maybe he just got the two confused..... The FBI's...
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The cases aren't really comparable. A project like a freeway requires public hearings, court action, appeals, advance determination of restitution, and so on. The razing of the Moghrabi district in East Jerusalem happened within hours of the end of the hostilities of the 6 Day War. The residents were given only two...
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Geez, I think some of these people have been too long on the net, you are not going to convince anyone of anything through violent language, one wonders why so many have violent tounges...
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It will be ironic in the extreme if Spector manages to uncover a government conspiracy and cover-up in this case. Maybe he'll posit a Magic Grenade that lit fires in three wings of the building at once.
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never heard of arguement by absurdity, eh no? Also called sarcasm. The usual procedure is to accept some part of the 'oppositions' arguement and run with it until one goes beyond 'rational thought' and then ring the changes. z.B. The idea of a minimum wage is considered a good one. And in these times of economic ...
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So why not condemn the Mufti for his Nazi leanings, and condemn all his supporters, while also condemning the similarly genocidal killing of innocents, Muslim or not, in Bosnoia-Herzegovina? Hatred and bigotry remain just that, no matter who practices them.
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Are you aware you can make a grenade with gunpower and metal water pipes? Maybe we should outlaw hardware stores and ammo reloading. Are you aware that you can make a firebomb with gasoline? etc.
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Hey, joe -- assuming you're old enough to remember it -- how did you feel about presidential responsibility every time Reagan said "I don't recall" about his arms-for-hostages meetings with the Ollie North gang? How did you feel about it when Bush said he "was out of the loop on that decision" when he was right t...
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Actually I am not sure you have understood what I have said. On several occasions a minor party has put up an Arab for a Cabinet position. That is the major party (Labour in this case) has agreed that a minor party can have so many seats and that party nominates an Arab for one. This is not acceptable to the major p...
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# # >This issue has been going on for a while and your presentation here of # >just one reference probably won't resolve this issue to those that # >oppose your insistence that mosques *were* destroyed. Even in your # >location of this one reference, you spend most of your quote dealing # >with an incidence that, whil...
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That probably is not true. But today it may not be much better for the gay population in general. Where are all of these studies? You have cited a few, and my research shows that there are not that many. Do Not Confuse a survey as a study, there is a big difference. Asking people outside of a polling booth and a...
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.... Thanks for posting the references. I do not normally read t.p.m., and I posted my request for references because Jim's article was cross-posted to soc.culture.jewish. Allegations of Jewish disrespect for the objects and buildings of other religions are one of antisemitic stereotypes that permeate western culture,...
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Since Facts and Myths doesn't even know where Deir Yassin was, why should we pay any attention to the rest of what it says? This account from Eric Silver is the only valid point that M&F makes. You can find it together with other evidence and analysis in Silver's biography of Begin. Also in Silver's book you wil...
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I don't know this specific ratio, but I do have an earlier post that says a gun is 33 times more likely to defend someone (including the times where the gun isn't fired, just scares the perpetrator away) than it is to kill someone. (including self defense) The post is kind of long, but I'll be glad to dig it up and e...
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Well, -I've- been reading t.p.m. for a while and here is what I saw YOU write: >For balance, perhaps you should mention the mosques in Jerusalem that >were razed after the Israeli victory in 1967. An eye for an eye, I guess. Your statment clearly tries to "balance" Arab atrocities by noting a single incident b...
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Now you are actually claiming that 2,000,000 Muslims have been killed in B-H??? Please substantiate this utterly ridiculous claim.
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Turkish Historical Revision <9305111942@zuma.UUCP> via dotage sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic) responded to article <1sn5f5INNkh6@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU> [MP] Actually, I would like to get a compilation of these one liners, [MP] so that I could print them out and show them to my friends over the [MP] summer, and they...
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It is the Croats that were divided, at least 70,000 were left in Serbian province of Vojvodina. It is the Muslims that were divided, 200,000 left in the region of Sanjak that now belongs to Serbia. If the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia-Hercegovina want self-determination, the same right should be given to Croats and ...
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Well, we're not. Which goes to prove you still don't understand what we're saying here. I've lived through the bombing of Cambodia; My Lai; inflated body counts in VietNam; the funding of Noreiga; Watergate; Contragate; Chappaquiddick; Kent State; domestic spying by the CIA; Edwin Meese's Pornography Commission; t...
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The suggestion that they Davidians committed suicide is completely without evidence. Except for the editorials... Please re-word. "propensity for allegedly dousing themselves". Oh, and the survivors claim the the FBI started the burning by accidentally igniting kerosene lanterns (remember that they'd already cut ...
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What does Saturday Night Live have to do with anything? When they make fun of someone they do it with a little bit of creativity and talent. You, on the other hand, have a complete lack of creativity, talent, and verbal mechanics. And if you think that SNL is culture, then it just shows where your intellectual level i...
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The Associated Press had an article on Monday March 1, I believe, which quoted witnesses as describing BATF agents throwing grenades prior to any gunfire on the part of the Davidians. It was among the first of a crop of different, mutually exclusive descriptions.
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What if....... What if the FBI thought that tear gas would force the Davidians out; at least the mothers and the children, so they (the FBI) did not bother to think about the effect of tear gas on young children...... What if the FBI knew they killed several of the children by using tear gas......(let`s assume the F...
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How wrong you will be. I participated in the last National March on Washington (MOW) for LesGayBi rights (Oct 11, 1987) - with a turnout of about 750,000 people - and we didn't have alot pissing us off at the time. The big issue was the AIDS crisis, but we weren't being slapped around quite as bad as we are...
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Well, for one thing most, if not all the Dividians (depending on whether they could show they acted in self-defense and there were no illegal weapons), could have gone on with their life as they were living it. No one was forcing them to give up their religion or even their legal weapons. The Dividians had survived a...
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[HAMID] Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been [HAMID] killed by Israel during these 44 HAPPY YEAR? Does anybody know how many Jews, Arabs, Christians and others have died in terrorist attacks and wars over these 45 years due to Arab rhetoric and rejectionism? The number is probably ...
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Some articles on the topic: RTw 12/23 0859 GULF ARABS DEMAND IRAN WITHDRAWAL FROM ISLANDS (Eds: updates with end of summit details, quotes) By Youssef Azmeh ABU DHABI, Dec 23, Reuter - Gulf Arab states, emerging from a summit that restored their unity after almost three months of crisis, piled pressu...
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Cute word angst. Conveys volumes. I'd be interested in this particular definition of "we." It's such a fluid pronoun. The BD were a paranoid little cult out in the middle of nowhere, which all of a sudden had their worst paranoid fears reinforced. Joy. Yes, they prob...
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Turkish Historical Revision in auto-scribal residue <9305091835@zuma.UUCP>, sera@zuma.UUCP (Serdar Argic), posted the following: [(*] Source: "Adventures in the Near East" by A. Rawlinson, Jonathan Cape, [(*] 30 Bedford Square, London, 1934 (First published 1923) (287 pages). [(*] (Memoirs of a British officer who w...
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While it may mean that in 1993, the relevant meaning comes from 1789. Moreover, "controlled" doesn't tell you WHO's doing the controllling. Fletcher's Political Works, pub'd in 1749, defines a "well-regulated militia", that being the relevant phrase, as being an armed people NOT under the control of govt. The wigged...
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Pete-- That was uncalled for. I'm sure Andi Beyer or whatever his name is was a product of his environment before he came to school, and is enjoying the mantle of THE UNIVERSITY to make his viewpoint seem legitimate (well-reasoned). I'm at Virginia, too, and I think maligning UVA is in poor taste, even if Beyer did sl...
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Found this in soc.culture.pakistan Might be of interest..... am posting it without the permission of the original poster. Hope he/she doesnt mind. By Lance Gay, Scripps-Howard News Service SARAJEVO, Bosnia-Herzegovina -- In this land of historic hatreds, a tiny Jewish community is braving Serbian shells to repay a ...
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"Personal gain": for his own monetary advantage. I don't think anyone would dispute that he both violated his oath of office, and abused his powers. But that's not for personal gain.
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It is also so easy to blame the West for their indiffernce to real Bosnian suffering. How about the moslem world, about 1 billion? How about them ha? What they are doing to stop this massacre? Why the oil rich Arab states make the Bosnian crises a national interest of the West, especially for Europeans? We all k...
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You are somewhat close to truth. But you shouldn't forget that nationality is a recent invention of the western europe. In the days of the Ottoman empire, the religion was the main point of difference between social classes. The Ottomans didn't recognize Turks, Arabs, Greeks, Serbs... Just christians, muslims, jews...
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B urn A ll T he F uckers
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OK. Lets look into this. According to my dictionary, Zi-on-ism: an international movement orig. for the establishment of a Jewish national or religious community in Palestine and later for the support of modern Israel. Now, I do not support the establishment of nations based on religious principles, while I support ...
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THE WHITE HOUSE Office of the Press Secretary ___________________________________________________________________ For Immediate Release April 23, 1993 PRESS BRIEFING BY DEE DEE MYERS ...
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I just heard on CNN that the Texas Rangers found an M60 machine gun in the BD compound Rubble. The newscaster called this a new hi-tech military weapon! HA HA!! I would bet that it is that Rock Armory M60 semi-auto, or that it was leagally owned and the tax was paid. What year was the M60 patented?
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Vocabulary test: Please define the following words: a) contradictory b) ambiguous
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lightly off track, but still relevant: why all the crying over the children? I know we are hardwired to consider the future of the race, and comapssionate people are concerned for all children; but so what? For the Branch Davidians, the options were to die or submit to Evil[tm] - and have their children's very soul...
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What a dope! There is no value for Mohammed Elabdellaoui to be here at a Western University. Third-worldist and Islamic brain-rot has made it impossible for him to acquire and analyze facts appropriately. The history of the efforts of the Mufti of Jerusalem to serve the Nazis in the South Balkans and set up Muslim...
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And this is just the beginning. Fascist x-Soviet Armenian Government will not get away with the genocide of 2.5 million Turks and Kurds, and 204,000 Azeri people. Your criminal grandparents committed unheard-of crimes, resorted to all conceivable methods of despotism, organized massacres, poured petrol over babie...
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Actually, this strife in Yugoslavia goes back a long way. Bosinan Muslims, in collaboration with the Nazis, did to Serbians after the first world war what Serbs are doing to Muslims now. This is not a fresh case of ethnic cleansing but just another chapter in the continuing saga of intense mutual hatred, destruction,....
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OK... quick scenario... you're at home, not bothering anybody... next thing you know, somebody comes crashing in the upstairs window and you hear an explosion. You see that this individual has a submachinegun, and that more similarly armed individuals are rushing your front door. Will you a) defend yourself and family...
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[massive dan blather mercifully deleted.] Last time I checked, "amassing an arsenal" and practicing any kind of religion were mentioned in passing in the Bill of Rights. Guess it's OK with you if we just brush 'em aside in order to justify killing a bunch of religious nutcakes, eh? Of all the idiots I run into i...
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The Jerusalem Post is only a small part of the Israeli media ( One that caters to outsiders for the most part, anyways). If you never read Ha'aretz, Maariv, or other Hebrew langauge papers , or at least seen some of their articles translated, you are not really getting the Israeli media. Inlcuding some of the l...
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The Stacy Koon-Lawrence Powell defense! The decisions of Janet Reno and Bill Clinton in this affair are essentially the moral equivalents of Stacy Koon's. Reno and Clinton have the advantage in that they investigate themselves.
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speaking of the sick bastard, i noticed he attends Kent State University. i guess we have come full circle here. Someone from Kent favoring excessive force by the govenment to subdue polically incorrect thinking.
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Yes, I want to read such a article.
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wrote in response to article <30975@galaxy.ucr.edu>, raffi@watnxt08.ucr.edu [IC] There are some Armenians here, in the USA. [IC] In fact, there are some areas where Armenians are majority. [IC] Suppose, a large group of people of one of such area decides, [IC] that the US "government is not representing their interes...
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"Hate messages" rather than "facts"? Sorry, but your argument falls flat on its face. SOME OF THE REFERENCES FROM EMINENT AUTHORS IN THE FIELD OF MIDDLE-EASTERN HISTORY AND EYEWITNESSES OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE OF 2.5 MILLION MUSLIMS 1. "The Armenian Revolutionary Movement" by Louise Nalbandian, University of...
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I suppose for the same reason Jews call the Occupied Territory, Judea and Sumaria. It's called propaganda and if you repeat lies often enough, people start to believe it.
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"I have no question that our plan was correct?" Months to get ready, unlimited funds, knowledge of a threatened mass suicide by fire, and no fire trucks on hand? This is "extreme professionalism and care?" I can understand the first screwed-up raid by the BATF. They underestimated the opposition, whic...
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Well, they never should have gotten into this situation. Look at the history of this group. David Koresh has been arrested ?twice? by local police. Both times, he accepted the arrest warrant and went peacefully. So, the feds decide to arrest him. How do they choose to arrest a person with a record of peaceful obedie...
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# Recent studies have shown that the number of men who have # engaged in homosexual activities in the last decade is 2.3% # and the number of men who are exclusively homosexual is 1.1%. # These figures are much less than those that came from earlier # studies that showed that homosexuality among men is a lot # higher. ...
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Really now. Why is this the pot calling the kettle black? I am stating that a person who shows a continually biased opinion is close-minded and that his opinion should be ignored. Clayton is stating that a group of at least two million (1%) American citizens are evil vicious malicious child-molesters. Her...
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How quaint of you to point this out, and then to completely ignore all of the blatant lies you've trotted out. The scenario and genocide staged by the Armenians 78 years ago in Eastern Anatolia and x-Soviet Armenia is being reenacted again - this time in Azerbaijan. There are remarkable similarities between the plo...
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If you look at the bottom of this article you will see that I have very kindly dug up one of Yigal Arens previous postings (entirely without his permission, I hope he doesn't mind) containing translations from Ha'arezt detailing just such a case. Perhaps you think that Ha'arezt lies? Would you like to provide me with...
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Good - now let's look at those sections. They'll prove my point. Note that this doesn't affect all concealed carry. (Look after the word "except".) It always helps to read the law before commenting on it. Would a prudent storekeeper carry concealed? How about someone at home? Note that both are legal, and a lo...
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Any state that the CIA does not control is called "state that is linked to terrorism/militants/fundamentalists etc.." Meanwhile Even Egyptian "experts" who hate The Islamic movement admit that what is happening in Egypt is spontaneous and most of the time a reaction to what the government does. ... Can anybody see ...
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Finally, someone seems to be making sense in this thread.
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Kaufman, I think we have a problem in this newsgroup: every time somebody puts down serious questions on Israel, the first response would be "what about the Arab countries?" ... Most of the Arab countries governments are ruling their people with Iron fist policy and Dark Ages democracy (if exists). Ironically, these ...
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Tell *them* to stay home? :-) Sorry, terrible attempt at homour there. Alternative? Hell, I don't know. But...its perfectly possible to have objections to a particular policy while feeling that there is no "alternative choice".
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Repeat a lie often enough and people will start to believe it, eh? The Hamas terrorists were given the opportunity to appeal. They've chosen not to, obviously because they get better propaganda mileage out of refusing. Israel also agreed that they could return immediately, provided they agreed to stop killing Jew...
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Which is a helluva lot more than any Republican attorney general ever did! BTW, why all the crocodile tears over wasting a few religious nuts, who wanted to be wasted anyway? We just got back from wasting a few hundred thousand religious nuts...
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Perhaps you've been under a rock since, say, the turn of the century. How in the #$^& is one man supposed to review every single freaking governmental action, every day? That's why we have an executive branch. HE reviewed the plan and said "go," but he wasn't the architect and he wasn't there, bullhorn in hand, imple...
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Koresh & some of his followers were tried and found *innocent* of all charges following that shootout. Were you unaware of this or did you purposly leave out this fact?
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Saying "hopefully the effect of policy X will be Y" is *much* different from saying "hopefully if there is any effect of policy X it will be Y." Here you've made both statements. If the former describes a reasonably-likely outcome of policy X, then perhaps policy X is worthy of consideration - but the latter statement...
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Anybody has any information about the number of the people have been killed by Israel during these 44 HAPPY YEAR?
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I'd appreciate any help anyone could give me on these two questions: The Brady Bill was in the news throughout 1992 but what actually happened to it in Congress? Did Bush veto it? If so, when? Also, the state of Virginia, I believe, just passed a gun control bill on Febrauary 25 of this year. I think it limits g...
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>They used a tank to knock a hole in the wall, and they released >non-toxic, non-flammable tear gas into the building. Non-toxic tear gas?!? Do you know what tear gas is? I do: once upon a time I happened to be in a room when someone threw a tear-gas grenade in (that was supposed to be a...
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Ah - Palestine and the Arab Israeli conflict. Sounds interesting. This is misleading. I supposed Charles D. Smith characterizes the bombing of the King David Hotel as a civilian installation too. Any installation attacked by Etzel was linked to some sort of official function of the Mandatory government. What...
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The Colorado Daily recently reprinted the Wall Street Journal's article on Paxton Quigley, including the nefarious little paragraph the Journal tacked onto the end. After recieving much assistance from various T.P.G. type folks, I wrote a letter to the editor criticizing this last paragraph, and surprise, surprise, su...
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Medical school ? Like your fellow Austrian Dr. Mengele ?? Josh
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> > Bull shit. There is no reason in the world why we can't say that > taking views analogous to the KKK's or some such organization is > wrong. There is no reason why some morality may not be legislated. As > it is we do not allow theft, or murder, or rape. Why should we allow > hateful sppech whos...
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I really don't know how you can possibly maintain this hypocritical stance. On the one hand, you imply that there is a conspiracy of Arab-Americans that warrants the illegal gathering of information on them (ie. auto license/ registration information in California) and other forms of "monitoring", including blatant at...
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This was reported in Canadian papers Thursday, 22 April - I _think_ the source was UPI, but don't recall for certain. I understand that at least two goverment investigations have been ordered, so we may learn more during their hearings. Tough call without more investigation, but if the thermal imaging story hol...
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Bill Coleman writes... (responding to a discussion about a mosque in Jerusalem allegedly having been destroyed by Israel) BC> In today's Jerusalem Post Magazine there is a feature story about the BC> ongoing restoration of synagogues in the Jewish Quarter. The author, BC> Leah Abramowitz, writes that there were FI...
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Then post what the press has said, not what you wished they said. The Medical Examiner has refuted the FBI "facts" and if you don't believe someone who has a LOT more reason to be impartial then what do you have to say for yourself. I was willing to grant this for sake or argument until I read the following. The F...
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If he gives you the same story explaining the presence of several synagogues in the "Moslem Quarter", then the story becomes suspect... In reality, the Old City was not as neighborhooded in the past as it became after 1948. In pre-Israel Jerusalem, there were many Jews in what is now called the Moslem Quarter. The...
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Path: nntpd2.cxo.dec.com!pa.dec.com!decwrl!ames!saimiri.primate.wisc.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!news.ysu.edu!psuvm!cunyvm!jcehc Organization: City University of New York Date: Wednesday, 21 Apr 1993 14:17:47 EDT From: <JCEHC@CUNYVM.BITNET> Message-ID: <93111.141747JCEHC@CUN...
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