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The women’s bathroom at the Shokoladnitsa cafe in Moscow near the Oktyabrskaya metro station.	Ženski javni toalet u moskovskom kafiću Shokoladnitsa u blizini metro stanice Oktyabrskaya.	en-sr
Photo: TV Rain.	Fotografija: TV Kiša.	en-sr
The footage circulates worldwide on the Internet, unbeknownst to most of the women who appear in these videos.	Snimak kruži celim svetom preko interneta, bez znanja većine žena koje se pojavljuju u ovim videozapisima.	en-sr
One small group of women, led by Polina Anisimova and aided by an anonymous informant and his hacker companion, are now fighting back, trying to involve Russia's law enforcement.	Jedna mala grupa žena, na čelu sa Polinom Anisimovom i uz pomoć anonimnog doušnika i njegovih prijatelja hakera, ovih dana uzvraćaju udarac, i pokušavaju da uključe rusku policiju.	en-sr
With the channel's permission, RuNet Echo presents a full translation of TV Rain's report below.	Uz dozvolu kanala, RuNet Echo u nastavku predstavlja kompletan prevod izveštaja TV Kiše.	en-sr
“Yesterday, I Learned There’s ‘Porn’ With Me in It”	“Juče sam saznala da postoji ‘pornić’ u kome sam ja”	en-sr
By Sonya Groysman and Ivan Pivsaev	Napisali Sonya Groysman i Ivan Pivsaev	en-sr
Late in the evening on June 12, an unknown Vkontakte user with a blank profile and an avatar featuring the Russian rapper Pasha Tekhnik sent Polina Anisimova a photograph with her face and asked if it was her in the picture.	Kasno uveče 12 juna, nepoznati korisnik sa Vkontakte, s praznim profilom i avatarom koji sadrži ruskog repera Pasha Tekhnika, je poslao Polini Anisimovoj fotografiju na kojoj se nalazilo njeno lice, uz pitanje da li je to ona na slici.	en-sr
She didn’t get around to reading the message until the middle of the night.	Ona je pročitala ovu poruku tek kasno uveče.	en-sr
When she finally looked, there she was in the image.	Kad je napokon pogledala sliku, videla je sebe.	en-sr
There was her sweatshirt, her birthmark, and the mole on her face.	Na slici je mogla da vidi svoju majicu, njen madež na licu.	en-sr
But she couldn’t remember when or how the photo had been taken.	Ali nije mogla da se setiti kada ili kako je fotografija uslikana.	en-sr
She’s certainly never uploaded any such picture to the Internet.	Ona sigurno nikada nije postavila takvu sliku na internet.	en-sr
Now quite alarmed, Polina showed the message to her boyfriend.	Bila je prilično uznemirena kada je pokazala poruku svom dečku.	en-sr
At first, they decided it was some kind of bad joke or a new kind of online blackmail, and they started googling ways Vkontakte can be used to extort people.	Prvo su pomislili da je to neka loša šala ili nova vrsta online ucene, ali su ipak počeli da pretražuju načine na koje Vkontakte može da se iskoristi da se iznudi nešto od ljudi.	en-sr
After Polina confirmed that it really was her in the picture, the anonymous account sent her several more photos with a message telling her that he had “bad news” for her, explaining that she “had become a victim, just like his loved ones.”	Kada je Polina potvrdila da je to zaista ona na slici, anonimni račun joj je poslao još nekoliko fotografija s porukom da ima “loše vesti” za nju, uz objašnjenje da je “postala žrtva, baš kao i njeni najmiliji.”	en-sr
In the pictures, a young woman was urinating in a bathroom with white and brown tiles.	Na slikama, ova mlada žena vrši malu nuždu u toaletu s belim i smeđim pločicama.	en-sr
Anisimova became even more confused, refusing to believe that this was her.	Anisimova je bila još više zbunjena, odbijajući da poveruje da je to ona.	en-sr
The anonymous account didn’t blackmail Polina or threaten her.	Anonimni račun nije ucenjivao Polinu, niti joj pretio.	en-sr
He only warned that she, like many other young women, were the victims of a hidden-camera operation.	Samo ju je upozorio da je ona, kao i mnoge druge mlade žene, bila žrtva operacije skrivena kamera.	en-sr
Photo: Facebook / Polina Anisimova.	Slika: Facebook / Polina Anisimova.	en-sr
The strange photographs bore a watermark reading “Hidden Zone.”	Čudne fotografije nose vodeni žig na kome piše “Skrivena Zona.”	en-sr
Searching for this phrase online, Polina and her boyfriend had no trouble finding on a torrent-tracking website hundreds of videos filmed using hidden cameras in women’s bathrooms.	Tražeći ovu frazu online, Polina i njen dečko nisu imali problema da pronađu na internet stranici za pretraživanje sadržaja stotine videa koji su snimljeni pomoću skrivenih kamera u ženskim toaletima.	en-sr
Before long, Anisimova recognized herself in one video’s preview image.	Nedugo zatim, Anisimova se prepoznala na jednoj fotografiji koja reklamira video.	en-sr
Now there was no longer any doubt: it was her purse in the video, her blue jeans, and her bare buttocks.	Sada više nije bilo nikakve sumnje: bila je to njena torbica u videu, njene plave farmerke, i njena gola zadnjica.	en-sr
The only distinction was her long hair, which she’d cut short a full two years ago.	Jedina razlika bila je njena duga kosa, koju je ošišala pre pune dve godine.	en-sr
That’s how Polina learned that a pornographic video has existed on the Internet since at least 2014 featuring her, filmed without her knowledge.	Tako je Polina saznala da se i ona nalazi u pornografskom videu koji postoji na internetu, barem od 2014. godine, a sniman je bez njenog znanja.	en-sr
The next day, Polina revealed the whole story on her Facebook page.	Sledećeg dana, Polina je iznela celu priču na svojoj Facebook stranici.	en-sr
“If I remained silent about this, this story could become grounds to blackmail me down the road, even though I didn’t do anything, like thousands of other victims,” she wrote.	“Da sam ćutala o tome, ova priča bi mogla da se iskoriti za ucenu, iako nisam ništa učinila, kao i hiljade drugih žrtava,” napisala je.	en-sr
The news media soon picked up her story.	Mediji su dosta brzo pokupili njenu priču.	en-sr
The thing that seemed to shock most people was that Polina, as best she can guess, was filmed in the bathroom at a local Shokoladnitsa, one of Russia’s most popular cafe chains.	Izgleda da je ono što je šokiralo većinu ljudi bilo to da je Polina, po onome što najbolje može da se pretpostavi, bila snimljena u toaletu u kafiću Shokoladnitsa, jednom od najpopularnijih lanaca kafića u Rusiji.	en-sr
This, at any rate, is what Polina’s “informant” told her.	U svakom slučaju, to je ono što joj je rekao njen “doušnik”.	en-sr
He’s contacted other women filmed in these videos, as well, and some of them say they’ve been able to work out when and how they were recorded by the hidden cameras.	On je kontaktirao i druge žene snimljene u tim videozapisima, i neke od njih kažu da su uspele da se sete kada i kako su ih simale skrivene kamere.	en-sr
The anonymous informant says he began investigating the videos after one of his relatives became a victim.	Anonimni doušnik kaže da je počeo da istražuje video materijale kada je jedna od njegovih rođaka postala žrtva.	en-sr
Now he says he’s trying to figure out who’s behind the videos, and he’s notifying victims using FindFace (a controversial tool that links photographs of people to their Vkontakte accounts).	Sada kaže da pokušava da otkrije ko stoji iza videa, a obaveštava žrtve pomoću NađiLice (kontraverzni alat koji povezuje fotografije ljudi sa njihovim Vkontakte računima).	en-sr
So far, he says he’s managed to contact less than a dozen victims.	Do sada, on kaže da je uspeo da kontaktira manje od desetak žrtava.	en-sr
(In many of the videos, the faces are barely visible, or FindFace fails to match the people to the correct Vkontakte accounts.)	(U mnogim od videa, lica su jedva vidljiva ili NađiLice ne uspeva da poveže ljude sa ispravnim Vkontakte računima.)	en-sr
He says he hopes police reports filed by these victims will be enough to prompt a full investigation.	On se nada da će policijski izveštaji koje su podnele žrtve biti dovoljni da se pokrene puna istraga.	en-sr
Polina Anisimova and another four women filmed in the bathroom by hidden cameras are now consulting with a lawyer who will bring their case to court.	Polina Anisimova i još četiri žene koje su snimane u toaletu skrivenim kamerama se sada savetuju s pravnikom koji će izneti ovaj slučaj pred sud.	en-sr
“What happened is a violation of our rights.	“Ono što se dogodilo je kršenje naših prava.	en-sr
And now we’re trying to understand what to do about this, and how to restore our rights,” Anisimova says.	Sada pokušavamo da shvatimo šta možemo da uradimo po tom pitanju, i kako da ostvarimo naša prava,” kaže Anisimova.	en-sr
The informant says he’s encouraged his relative to take the matter to court, but she is apparently a low-ranking city official, and she’s evidently afraid of losing her job.	Doušnik kaže da je podsticao svoju rođaku da iznese ovu stvar na sud, ali izgleda da je ona nisko pozicionirani gradski službenik, i boji se da će izgubiti posao.	en-sr
“Their unspoken policy,” the informant says, “is that they’ll ‘help’ you resign, if you’re mixed up in any scandal—even if you’re the victim.”	“Njihova neizgovorena pravila,” rekao je doušnik, “da će ti pomoći da podneseš ostavku, ako budeš umešana u bilo kakav skandal, čak i ako si žrtva.”	en-sr
The informant refuses to share his identity, saying he doesn’t want to reveal himself, “considering the resources” at the disposal of the people he’s targeting.	Doušnik odbija da otkrije svoj identitet, rekavši da ne želi da se otkrije, “s obzirom na resurse” koje imaju na raspolaganju ljudi na koje on cilja.	en-sr
A cursory Internet search is enough to demonstrate the mountains of pornography available that features hidden-camera footage of women using public bathrooms in cafes and shopping malls, women in changing rooms, and other similar videos.	Letimično pretraživanje interneta je dovoljno da pokaže da postoji hrpa pornografije gde se nalaze videozapisi načinjeni skrivenim kamerama, žena koje koriste javne toalete u kafićima i trgovačkim centrima, žena u svlačionicama i drugim sličnim videosnimcima.	en-sr
The market for this content—voyeurs—are people who experience sexual arousal from spying on others.	Tržište za ovaj sadržaj, voajeri, su ljudi koji doživljavaju seksualno uzbuđenje špijunirajući druge.	en-sr
One subgenre of this voyeuristic pornography is hidden-camera footage of women urinating.	Jedan od podžanrova ove voajerske pornografije je snimanje skrivenom kamerom žena koje vrše malu nuždu.	en-sr
Some of the people who enjoy these videos are aroused by anything associated with urination.	Neki od ljudi koji uživaju u ovim videima se uzbuđuju svačim što je povezano s mokrenjem.	en-sr
One of the anonymous informant’s companions, who’s helping Polina and the other women track down the people who filmed them, is a hacker who managed to break into a closed Internet forum for voyeurs.	Jedan od poznanika anonimnog doušnika, koji je pomogap Polini i drugim ženama da uđu u trag ljudima koji su ih snimali, je haker koji je uspeo da provali u zatvoreni internet forum za voajere.	en-sr
He says most of the voyeurs are between the ages of 35 and 60, and they operate by the rules of a secret society.	On kaže da je većina voajera u dobi između 35 i 60 godina, i da rade po pravilima tajnog društva.	en-sr
On the websites where they communicate and exchange videos, there are various different levels of access to the content, and registering to join the community is extremely difficult.	Na web stranicama gde komuniciraju i razmjenjuju video materijale, postoje različiti nivoi pristupa sadržaju i veoma je teško pridružiti se zajednici.	en-sr
The community itself is clearly built to ensure maximum secrecy.	Jasno je da je sama zajednica napravljena da bi se osigurala maksimalna tajnost.	en-sr
The group has its own legends and heroes, too, dedicated to the “best content” and the “best angles.”	Grupa, takođe, ima svoje legende i heroje , posvećene “najboljem sadržaju” i “najboljim uglovima.”	en-sr
Before the scandal involving Shokoladnitsa, Russia’s voyeurs were a generally invisible community.	Pre skandala u kafiću Shokoladnitsa, ruski voajeri su bili uglavnom nevidljiva zajednica.	en-sr
Every year, hundreds of women in Russia are targeted by those who install hidden cameras and sell the footage, but there have never been high-profile criminal cases or convictions, as a result.	Svake godine, stotine žena u Rusiji su na meti onih koji postavljaju skrivene kamere i prodaju snimke, ali se još nije desilo da se neki od tih slučaja nađe na sudu ili da postoji presuda o visoko-profilnom kriminalu.	en-sr
Moscow’s police department says it couldn’t recall a single report filed by any of the women targeted in the videos discovered in the past several months.	Zaposleni u moskovskoj policiji kažu da ne mogu da se sete nijednog izveštaja koji je podnela bilo koja žena iz snimljenih videa otkrivenih u poslednjih nekoliko meseci.	en-sr
Police don’t consider it to be a mass phenomenon, noting just a few isolated cases.	Policija ne smatra da je to masovna pojava, i ističe samo nekoliko izolovanih slučaja.	en-sr
The videos like the one Anisimova found are sold on closed websites for voyeurs with complicated registration systems.	Snimci poput onog koji je našla Anisimova se prodaju na zatvorenim web stranicama za voajere s komplikovanim sistemom prijavljivanja.	en-sr
Some of them are also available on ordinary porn websites.	Neki od njih su takođe dostupni na običnim porno web stranicama.	en-sr
Registering for the closed sites isn’t free, and it can cost up to hundreds of dollars.	Prijavljivanje na zatvorene stranice nije besplatno, i može da košta i do nekoliko stotina dolara.	en-sr
The voyeurs’ forums can be divided into “open” and “closed” groups, depending on the complexity of their registration processes.	Forumi voajera se mogu podeliti na “otvorene” i “zatvorene” grupe, u zavisnosti od složenosti procesa prijavljivanja.	en-sr
In these groups, members trade stories about their experiences filming and spying, sharing their own videos and other materials they’ve found online, and advising each other on the best equipment for bugging bathrooms.	U ovim grupama, članovi razmenjuju priče o svojim iskustvima u snimanju i špijunaži, dele svoje video i druge materijale koje su pronašli na internetu i savetuju jedni druge o najboljoj opremi za nadgledanje toaleta.	en-sr
Judging by what is written in these forums, many of the people recording these videos use miniature cameras disguised as other objects.	Sudeći po onome što je napisano u ovim forumima, mnogi ljudi za snimanje tih videa koriste minijaturne kamere prerušene kao druge objekte.	en-sr
The most common camouflage hides the camera under what looks like car keys.	Najčešća kamuflaža skriva kameru pod onim što izgleda kao ključevi za automobil.	en-sr
In Russia, the purchase, manufacture, or sale of special technical means for obtaining private information (without warning the people you’re recording that they’re being filmed) is prohibited by criminal-code article 138.1, which sets a maximum penalty of four years in prison.	U Rusiji, kupovina, proizvodnja ili prodaja posebnih tehničkih sredstava za dobijanje ličnih podataka (bez upozorenja ljudima koje snimate da ih neko snima) je zabranjeno kaznenim kodom član 138.1, koji određuje maksimalnu kaznu od četiri godine zatvora.	en-sr
The biggest case in recent history involving this crime was launched against the opposition figure Natalia Pelevina, a member of the political party Parnas.	Najveći slučaj u novijoj istoriji koji uključuje ovu vrstu zločina je bio pokrenut protiv osobe iz opozicjie Natalia Pelevina, članice političke stranke Parnas.	en-sr
She was caught with a pen containing a video camera.	Ona je uhvaćena s hemijskom olovkom koja sadrži video kameru.	en-sr
Camera keychain.	Privezak za ključeve s kamerom.	en-sr
One former deputy director at a defense plant, for example, didn’t stop spying on women, even after he was exposed.	Na primer, jedan bivši zamenik direktora koji je bio na optuženičkoj klupi, nije prestao da špijunira žene, čak i kada je bio otkriven.	en-sr
He spent 15 years spying on his colleagues before he was caught, but now he says he “can’t stop doing it” and he still “comes round for some looks.”	15 godina je špijunirao svoje koleginice pre nego što je uhvaćen, i sada kaže da “ne može da prestane to da radi” i da još uvek “dođe ponekad da baci koji pogled.”	en-sr
In another comment thread, the same man enthusiastically describes the state that overtakes him when he sees women urinating: “When I go to the bathroom and start peeping, sometimes I get such a high that my heart starts to hurt—the emotions are so strong and intense!	U drugom nizu komentara, isti čovek oduševljeno opisuje stanje koje ga obuzima kad vidi žene dok vrše malu nuždu: “Kada odem u toalet i počnem da virim, ponekad se toliko napalim da srce počine da me boli, emocije su toliko jake i snažne!	en-sr
Bathroom views… they take hold of me completely.”	Pogledi iz toaleta… potpuno me obuzmu.”	en-sr
Voyeurs can get excited without even seeing any nudity—the very fact that a person’s privacy has been violated and the feeling of power over an unsuspecting individual can be enough, says clinical psychologist and addictions specialist Veronika Kashirina.	Voajeri mogu da se uzbude čak i bez gledanja golotinje – sama činjenica da je povređena privatnost neke osobe i osećaj moći nad bezazlenim pojedincem može biti dovoljna, kaže klinički psiholog i specijalista za zasivnost Veronika Kashirina.	en-sr
In varying degrees, many people enjoy spying on others, Kashirina says, but in rarer cases individuals feel compelled to spy on others, even when it endangers people’s safety.	U različitim stepenima, mnogi ljudi uživaju da špijuniraju druge, kaže Kashirina, ali su ređi slučajevi kada pojedinci osećaju da su primorani da špijuniraju druge, čak i kada to ugrožava sigurnost drugih ljudi.	en-sr
(The International Classification of Diseases categorizes voyeurism as a “disorder of sexual preference.”)	(Međunarodna klasifikacija bolesti razvrstava voajerizam kao “poremećaj seksualne sklonosti.”)	en-sr
Kashirina says voyeurism is tied to the violation of the psychological boundaries between people: “In our country, there are often five people living in a studio apartment, changing clothes in front of each other, washing without shutting the door, and parents are having sex while their children sleep nearby.	Kashirina kaže da je voajerizam vezan za povredu psiholoških granica između ljudi: “U našoj zemlji, često postoji pet ljudi koji žive u apartmanu studija, presvlače se jedni ispred drugih, peru se a ne zatvore vrata, a roditelji upražnjavaju seks dok im deca spavaju u blizini.	en-sr
This strongly blurs psychological boundaries distorting people’s attitudes about their own intimacy and others’ intimacy, which can be the basis for desires to spy on others, or, quite the opposite, it can encourage some people to avoid guarding themselves, making them want to expose themselves publicly.”	Ovo snažno zamagljuje psihološke granice i izvće stavove ljudi o svojoj i tuđoj intimi, na čemu može da se zasniva želja da se špijuniraju drugi, ili, naprotiv, može da podstakne neke ljude da prestanu da čuvaju sebe, što znači da žele da ih drugi gledaju.”	en-sr
People like this, Kashirina says, often have low self-esteem, and the feeling of superiority over their victims and the support of others in closed online forums helps artificially raise their sense of self-worth, simultaneously suppressing feelings of guilt, the sense of their own “wrongness,” and the fear of being exposed.	Ovakvi ljudi, kaže Kashirina, često imaju nisko samopoštovanje i osećaj superiornosti nad svojim žrtvama i podrška drugih u zatvorenim on-line forumima im pomaže da na prevaru podignu osećaj vlastite vrednosti, u isto vreme potiskujući osećaj krivice, osećaj njihove vlastite “pogrešnosti,” i strah od izlaganja.	en-sr
But most of these voyeurs aren’t afraid of criminal prosecution.	Međutim, većina tih voajera se ne boji kaznenog procesa.	en-sr
The prospects of being caught are slim, a forum participant tells the group, pointing out optimistically that it’s hard to find their victims, and the content itself, from the perspective of the law, is no different from ordinary pornography.	Mali su izgledi da će biti uhvaćeni, jedan učesnik foruma kaže u grupi, ističući optimistično da je teško pronaći žrtve, a sam sadržaj, iz perspektive zakona, se ne razlikuje od obične pornografije.	en-sr
Generally speaking, community members seem to believe, voyeurs just need to be careful and avoid “drawing attention” to the group’s existence, otherwise “those damned journalists might make a big stink.”	Generalno gledano, izgleda da članovi zajednice veruju da voajeri samo treba da budu oprezni i da izbegavaju da “skreću pažnju” na postojanje grupe, inače bi “ti prokleti novinari mogli da izazovu veliki smrad.”	en-sr
Screenshot of one post on a voyeurs’ forum.	Slika jednog posta na forumu voajera.	en-sr
If they come for the voyeurs, it won’t be any time soon.	Ako dođu zbog voajera, to neće biti u skorije vreme.	en-sr
The main thing is not to get cocky and not to circulate your content .	Glavna stvar je da ne budeš drsko samosvestan, i da ne deliš svoj sadržaj .	en-sr
After all, our work is already on social networks.	Uostalom, naš rad se već nalazi na društvenim mrežama.	en-sr
Basically, until they’ve caught all the pedophiles, they’ll only catch us randomly.	Ustvari, sve dok ne uhvate sve pedofile, oni će nas hvatiti samo slučajno.	en-sr
Of course, the stars of our films mostly don’t know that they’re our stars :-) (except when the recordings are done too obviously, which I’ve always opposed) and there needs to be a plaintiff for any criminal charges.	Naravno, zvezde naših filmova uglavnom ne znaju da su naše zvezde 🙂 (osim kada su snimci urađeni previše jasno, a uvek sam protiv toga) a i trebalo bi da postoji tužba za kaznene prijave.	en-sr
And finding the victims and taking their statements is very problematic and complicated in our situation, and the prospects for such cases are pretty slim.	Pronalaženje žrtava i uzimanje njihovih izjava je vrlo problematično i komplikovano u našoj situaciji, a izgledi za takve slučajeve su prilično tanki.	en-sr
That’s why you can only really get busted if you’re caught red handed, if you’re filming too obviously and they file a complaint against you.	Zato jedino stvarno možeš da nagrabusiš ako te uhvate na delu, ako snimaš previše očigledno i oni podnesu tužbu protiv tebe.	en-sr
For the time being, downloading and distributing our content carries the same administrative penalties as with ordinary pornography.	Za sada, preuzimanje i deljenje našeg sadržaja sadrži iste administrativne kazne kao i kod obične pornografije.	en-sr
But if you draw attention to our existence, then those damned journalists might make a big stink in search of a scandal, and if they strike a nerve with society, then they could come to make an example of someone… That’s why, yes, we need to clean out our ranks (following Stalin’s legacy :-)) and introduce rules prohibiting the distribution of our content, and ideally stop selling content for money, where they then end up on torrent-trackers and attract attention.	Međutim, ako skreneš pažnju na naše postojanje, onda ti prokleti novinari mogu da naprave veliki smrad u potrazi za skandalom, i ako pogode u metu kad je društvo u pitanju, onda bi mogli da naprave primer neke osobe… Zato, da, potrebno je da očistimo naše redove (prateći Staljinovu ostavštinu :-)) i da uvedemo pravila koja zabranjuju deljenje našeg sadržaja, i idealno bi bilo da prestanemo da prodajemo sadržaj za novac, gde onda materijal završi na pretraživačima sadržaja i privlači pažnju.	en-sr
One way or another.	Na ovaj ili onaj način.	en-sr
The hacker who broke into a voyeurs’ forum and used stolen accounts to study its closed sections says the first such communities (one of which was called “Petrovka, 38”) appeared back in the 1990s, in the era of the VHS camera.	Haker koji je provalio u forum voajera i koristio ukradene račune za proučavanje zatvorenih poglavlja kaže da su se prvi put takve zajednice (od kojih se jedna zvala “Petrovka, 38”) pojavile još 1990-ih, u doba VHS kamera.	en-sr
The biggest community that exists today, which voyeurs call “The Pen” (a shortened form of its original name, “The Piggy Pen”), was created 12 years ago by a person known by the nickname “Keks.”	Najveća zajednica koja postoji i danas, koju voajeri zovu “Svinjac” (skraćenica od originalnog naziva, “Svinjac za Prasiće”), je nastala pre 12 godina, a postavila ju je osoba poznata po nadimku “Keks.”	en-sr
Screenshot from a page on “The Pen.”	Slika sa stranice “Svinjac.”	en-sr
In connection with this, we’ve now got another admin, HomoDrill.	U vezi s tim, sada smo dobili još jednog admina, HomoDrill.	en-sr
He won’t decide any issue-related matters—this person has been helping us for a long time with the hosting settings, with Apache and PHP, and he needs these rights to do timed tests and bug-squashing.	On neće da odlučuje o stvarima koje su povezane za teme, ta osoba nam već duže vremena pomaže sa postavljanjem, s Apache i PHP-om, a njemu trebaju ta prava da uradi provere u pravo vreme kao i da odstrani bube.	en-sr
Of course, he’s far better known under a different name and on other resources, but he’s welcome to dilute our oinking crowd with such an original nickname. :-) Almost all the redesign is his work.	Naravno, on je daleko poznatiji pod drugim imenom i drugim resursima, ali on je dobrodošao da smanji našu nemirnu publiku tako originalnim nadimkom. 🙂 On je uradio skoro sav novi dizajn.	en-sr
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!	HVALA TI PUNO!!!	en-sr
Membership in “The Pen” is closed, and participants have varying levels of access to the website’s different sections.	Članstvo u “Svinjacu” je zatvoreno, i učesnici imaju različite nivoe pristupa na različite delove web stranice.	en-sr

The women’s bathroom at the Shokoladnitsa cafe in Moscow near the Oktyabrskaya metro station.

Ženski javni toalet u moskovskom kafiću Shokoladnitsa u blizini metro stanice Oktyabrskaya.

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Photo: TV Rain.

Fotografija: TV Kiša.

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The footage circulates worldwide on the Internet, unbeknownst to most of the women who appear in these videos.

Snimak kruži celim svetom preko interneta, bez znanja većine žena koje se pojavljuju u ovim videozapisima.

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One small group of women, led by Polina Anisimova and aided by an anonymous informant and his hacker companion, are now fighting back, trying to involve Russia's law enforcement.

Jedna mala grupa žena, na čelu sa Polinom Anisimovom i uz pomoć anonimnog doušnika i njegovih prijatelja hakera, ovih dana uzvraćaju udarac, i pokušavaju da uključe rusku policiju.

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With the channel's permission, RuNet Echo presents a full translation of TV Rain's report below.

Uz dozvolu kanala, RuNet Echo u nastavku predstavlja kompletan prevod izveštaja TV Kiše.

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“Yesterday, I Learned There’s ‘Porn’ With Me in It”

“Juče sam saznala da postoji ‘pornić’ u kome sam ja”

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By Sonya Groysman and Ivan Pivsaev

Napisali Sonya Groysman i Ivan Pivsaev

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Late in the evening on June 12, an unknown Vkontakte user with a blank profile and an avatar featuring the Russian rapper Pasha Tekhnik sent Polina Anisimova a photograph with her face and asked if it was her in the picture.

Kasno uveče 12 juna, nepoznati korisnik sa Vkontakte, s praznim profilom i avatarom koji sadrži ruskog repera Pasha Tekhnika, je poslao Polini Anisimovoj fotografiju na kojoj se nalazilo njeno lice, uz pitanje da li je to ona na slici.

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She didn’t get around to reading the message until the middle of the night.

Ona je pročitala ovu poruku tek kasno uveče.

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When she finally looked, there she was in the image.

Kad je napokon pogledala sliku, videla je sebe.

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There was her sweatshirt, her birthmark, and the mole on her face.

Na slici je mogla da vidi svoju majicu, njen madež na licu.

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But she couldn’t remember when or how the photo had been taken.

Ali nije mogla da se setiti kada ili kako je fotografija uslikana.

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She’s certainly never uploaded any such picture to the Internet.

Ona sigurno nikada nije postavila takvu sliku na internet.

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Now quite alarmed, Polina showed the message to her boyfriend.

Bila je prilično uznemirena kada je pokazala poruku svom dečku.

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At first, they decided it was some kind of bad joke or a new kind of online blackmail, and they started googling ways Vkontakte can be used to extort people.

Prvo su pomislili da je to neka loša šala ili nova vrsta online ucene, ali su ipak počeli da pretražuju načine na koje Vkontakte može da se iskoristi da se iznudi nešto od ljudi.

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After Polina confirmed that it really was her in the picture, the anonymous account sent her several more photos with a message telling her that he had “bad news” for her, explaining that she “had become a victim, just like his loved ones.”

Kada je Polina potvrdila da je to zaista ona na slici, anonimni račun joj je poslao još nekoliko fotografija s porukom da ima “loše vesti” za nju, uz objašnjenje da je “postala žrtva, baš kao i njeni najmiliji.”

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In the pictures, a young woman was urinating in a bathroom with white and brown tiles.

Na slikama, ova mlada žena vrši malu nuždu u toaletu s belim i smeđim pločicama.

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Anisimova became even more confused, refusing to believe that this was her.

Anisimova je bila još više zbunjena, odbijajući da poveruje da je to ona.

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The anonymous account didn’t blackmail Polina or threaten her.

Anonimni račun nije ucenjivao Polinu, niti joj pretio.

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He only warned that she, like many other young women, were the victims of a hidden-camera operation.

Samo ju je upozorio da je ona, kao i mnoge druge mlade žene, bila žrtva operacije skrivena kamera.

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Photo: Facebook / Polina Anisimova.

Slika: Facebook / Polina Anisimova.

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The strange photographs bore a watermark reading “Hidden Zone.”

Čudne fotografije nose vodeni žig na kome piše “Skrivena Zona.”

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Searching for this phrase online, Polina and her boyfriend had no trouble finding on a torrent-tracking website hundreds of videos filmed using hidden cameras in women’s bathrooms.

Tražeći ovu frazu online, Polina i njen dečko nisu imali problema da pronađu na internet stranici za pretraživanje sadržaja stotine videa koji su snimljeni pomoću skrivenih kamera u ženskim toaletima.

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Before long, Anisimova recognized herself in one video’s preview image.

Nedugo zatim, Anisimova se prepoznala na jednoj fotografiji koja reklamira video.

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Now there was no longer any doubt: it was her purse in the video, her blue jeans, and her bare buttocks.

Sada više nije bilo nikakve sumnje: bila je to njena torbica u videu, njene plave farmerke, i njena gola zadnjica.

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The only distinction was her long hair, which she’d cut short a full two years ago.

Jedina razlika bila je njena duga kosa, koju je ošišala pre pune dve godine.

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That’s how Polina learned that a pornographic video has existed on the Internet since at least 2014 featuring her, filmed without her knowledge.

Tako je Polina saznala da se i ona nalazi u pornografskom videu koji postoji na internetu, barem od 2014. godine, a sniman je bez njenog znanja.

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The next day, Polina revealed the whole story on her Facebook page.

Sledećeg dana, Polina je iznela celu priču na svojoj Facebook stranici.

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“If I remained silent about this, this story could become grounds to blackmail me down the road, even though I didn’t do anything, like thousands of other victims,” she wrote.

“Da sam ćutala o tome, ova priča bi mogla da se iskoriti za ucenu, iako nisam ništa učinila, kao i hiljade drugih žrtava,” napisala je.

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The news media soon picked up her story.

Mediji su dosta brzo pokupili njenu priču.

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The thing that seemed to shock most people was that Polina, as best she can guess, was filmed in the bathroom at a local Shokoladnitsa, one of Russia’s most popular cafe chains.

Izgleda da je ono što je šokiralo većinu ljudi bilo to da je Polina, po onome što najbolje može da se pretpostavi, bila snimljena u toaletu u kafiću Shokoladnitsa, jednom od najpopularnijih lanaca kafića u Rusiji.

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This, at any rate, is what Polina’s “informant” told her.

U svakom slučaju, to je ono što joj je rekao njen “doušnik”.

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He’s contacted other women filmed in these videos, as well, and some of them say they’ve been able to work out when and how they were recorded by the hidden cameras.

On je kontaktirao i druge žene snimljene u tim videozapisima, i neke od njih kažu da su uspele da se sete kada i kako su ih simale skrivene kamere.

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The anonymous informant says he began investigating the videos after one of his relatives became a victim.

Anonimni doušnik kaže da je počeo da istražuje video materijale kada je jedna od njegovih rođaka postala žrtva.

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Now he says he’s trying to figure out who’s behind the videos, and he’s notifying victims using FindFace (a controversial tool that links photographs of people to their Vkontakte accounts).

Sada kaže da pokušava da otkrije ko stoji iza videa, a obaveštava žrtve pomoću NađiLice (kontraverzni alat koji povezuje fotografije ljudi sa njihovim Vkontakte računima).

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So far, he says he’s managed to contact less than a dozen victims.

Do sada, on kaže da je uspeo da kontaktira manje od desetak žrtava.

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(In many of the videos, the faces are barely visible, or FindFace fails to match the people to the correct Vkontakte accounts.)

(U mnogim od videa, lica su jedva vidljiva ili NađiLice ne uspeva da poveže ljude sa ispravnim Vkontakte računima.)

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He says he hopes police reports filed by these victims will be enough to prompt a full investigation.

On se nada da će policijski izveštaji koje su podnele žrtve biti dovoljni da se pokrene puna istraga.

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Polina Anisimova and another four women filmed in the bathroom by hidden cameras are now consulting with a lawyer who will bring their case to court.

Polina Anisimova i još četiri žene koje su snimane u toaletu skrivenim kamerama se sada savetuju s pravnikom koji će izneti ovaj slučaj pred sud.

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“What happened is a violation of our rights.

“Ono što se dogodilo je kršenje naših prava.

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And now we’re trying to understand what to do about this, and how to restore our rights,” Anisimova says.

Sada pokušavamo da shvatimo šta možemo da uradimo po tom pitanju, i kako da ostvarimo naša prava,” kaže Anisimova.

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The informant says he’s encouraged his relative to take the matter to court, but she is apparently a low-ranking city official, and she’s evidently afraid of losing her job.

Doušnik kaže da je podsticao svoju rođaku da iznese ovu stvar na sud, ali izgleda da je ona nisko pozicionirani gradski službenik, i boji se da će izgubiti posao.

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“Their unspoken policy,” the informant says, “is that they’ll ‘help’ you resign, if you’re mixed up in any scandal—even if you’re the victim.”

“Njihova neizgovorena pravila,” rekao je doušnik, “da će ti pomoći da podneseš ostavku, ako budeš umešana u bilo kakav skandal, čak i ako si žrtva.”

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The informant refuses to share his identity, saying he doesn’t want to reveal himself, “considering the resources” at the disposal of the people he’s targeting.

Doušnik odbija da otkrije svoj identitet, rekavši da ne želi da se otkrije, “s obzirom na resurse” koje imaju na raspolaganju ljudi na koje on cilja.

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A cursory Internet search is enough to demonstrate the mountains of pornography available that features hidden-camera footage of women using public bathrooms in cafes and shopping malls, women in changing rooms, and other similar videos.

Letimično pretraživanje interneta je dovoljno da pokaže da postoji hrpa pornografije gde se nalaze videozapisi načinjeni skrivenim kamerama, žena koje koriste javne toalete u kafićima i trgovačkim centrima, žena u svlačionicama i drugim sličnim videosnimcima.

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The market for this content—voyeurs—are people who experience sexual arousal from spying on others.

Tržište za ovaj sadržaj, voajeri, su ljudi koji doživljavaju seksualno uzbuđenje špijunirajući druge.

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One subgenre of this voyeuristic pornography is hidden-camera footage of women urinating.

Jedan od podžanrova ove voajerske pornografije je snimanje skrivenom kamerom žena koje vrše malu nuždu.

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Some of the people who enjoy these videos are aroused by anything associated with urination.

Neki od ljudi koji uživaju u ovim videima se uzbuđuju svačim što je povezano s mokrenjem.

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One of the anonymous informant’s companions, who’s helping Polina and the other women track down the people who filmed them, is a hacker who managed to break into a closed Internet forum for voyeurs.

Jedan od poznanika anonimnog doušnika, koji je pomogap Polini i drugim ženama da uđu u trag ljudima koji su ih snimali, je haker koji je uspeo da provali u zatvoreni internet forum za voajere.

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He says most of the voyeurs are between the ages of 35 and 60, and they operate by the rules of a secret society.

On kaže da je većina voajera u dobi između 35 i 60 godina, i da rade po pravilima tajnog društva.

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On the websites where they communicate and exchange videos, there are various different levels of access to the content, and registering to join the community is extremely difficult.

Na web stranicama gde komuniciraju i razmjenjuju video materijale, postoje različiti nivoi pristupa sadržaju i veoma je teško pridružiti se zajednici.

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The community itself is clearly built to ensure maximum secrecy.

Jasno je da je sama zajednica napravljena da bi se osigurala maksimalna tajnost.

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The group has its own legends and heroes, too, dedicated to the “best content” and the “best angles.”

Grupa, takođe, ima svoje legende i heroje , posvećene “najboljem sadržaju” i “najboljim uglovima.”

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Before the scandal involving Shokoladnitsa, Russia’s voyeurs were a generally invisible community.

Pre skandala u kafiću Shokoladnitsa, ruski voajeri su bili uglavnom nevidljiva zajednica.

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Every year, hundreds of women in Russia are targeted by those who install hidden cameras and sell the footage, but there have never been high-profile criminal cases or convictions, as a result.

Svake godine, stotine žena u Rusiji su na meti onih koji postavljaju skrivene kamere i prodaju snimke, ali se još nije desilo da se neki od tih slučaja nađe na sudu ili da postoji presuda o visoko-profilnom kriminalu.

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Moscow’s police department says it couldn’t recall a single report filed by any of the women targeted in the videos discovered in the past several months.

Zaposleni u moskovskoj policiji kažu da ne mogu da se sete nijednog izveštaja koji je podnela bilo koja žena iz snimljenih videa otkrivenih u poslednjih nekoliko meseci.

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Police don’t consider it to be a mass phenomenon, noting just a few isolated cases.

Policija ne smatra da je to masovna pojava, i ističe samo nekoliko izolovanih slučaja.

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The videos like the one Anisimova found are sold on closed websites for voyeurs with complicated registration systems.

Snimci poput onog koji je našla Anisimova se prodaju na zatvorenim web stranicama za voajere s komplikovanim sistemom prijavljivanja.

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Some of them are also available on ordinary porn websites.

Neki od njih su takođe dostupni na običnim porno web stranicama.

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Registering for the closed sites isn’t free, and it can cost up to hundreds of dollars.

Prijavljivanje na zatvorene stranice nije besplatno, i može da košta i do nekoliko stotina dolara.

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The voyeurs’ forums can be divided into “open” and “closed” groups, depending on the complexity of their registration processes.

Forumi voajera se mogu podeliti na “otvorene” i “zatvorene” grupe, u zavisnosti od složenosti procesa prijavljivanja.

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In these groups, members trade stories about their experiences filming and spying, sharing their own videos and other materials they’ve found online, and advising each other on the best equipment for bugging bathrooms.

U ovim grupama, članovi razmenjuju priče o svojim iskustvima u snimanju i špijunaži, dele svoje video i druge materijale koje su pronašli na internetu i savetuju jedni druge o najboljoj opremi za nadgledanje toaleta.

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Judging by what is written in these forums, many of the people recording these videos use miniature cameras disguised as other objects.

Sudeći po onome što je napisano u ovim forumima, mnogi ljudi za snimanje tih videa koriste minijaturne kamere prerušene kao druge objekte.

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The most common camouflage hides the camera under what looks like car keys.

Najčešća kamuflaža skriva kameru pod onim što izgleda kao ključevi za automobil.

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In Russia, the purchase, manufacture, or sale of special technical means for obtaining private information (without warning the people you’re recording that they’re being filmed) is prohibited by criminal-code article 138.1, which sets a maximum penalty of four years in prison.

U Rusiji, kupovina, proizvodnja ili prodaja posebnih tehničkih sredstava za dobijanje ličnih podataka (bez upozorenja ljudima koje snimate da ih neko snima) je zabranjeno kaznenim kodom član 138.1, koji određuje maksimalnu kaznu od četiri godine zatvora.

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The biggest case in recent history involving this crime was launched against the opposition figure Natalia Pelevina, a member of the political party Parnas.

Najveći slučaj u novijoj istoriji koji uključuje ovu vrstu zločina je bio pokrenut protiv osobe iz opozicjie Natalia Pelevina, članice političke stranke Parnas.

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She was caught with a pen containing a video camera.

Ona je uhvaćena s hemijskom olovkom koja sadrži video kameru.

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Camera keychain.

Privezak za ključeve s kamerom.

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One former deputy director at a defense plant, for example, didn’t stop spying on women, even after he was exposed.

Na primer, jedan bivši zamenik direktora koji je bio na optuženičkoj klupi, nije prestao da špijunira žene, čak i kada je bio otkriven.

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He spent 15 years spying on his colleagues before he was caught, but now he says he “can’t stop doing it” and he still “comes round for some looks.”

15 godina je špijunirao svoje koleginice pre nego što je uhvaćen, i sada kaže da “ne može da prestane to da radi” i da još uvek “dođe ponekad da baci koji pogled.”

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In another comment thread, the same man enthusiastically describes the state that overtakes him when he sees women urinating: “When I go to the bathroom and start peeping, sometimes I get such a high that my heart starts to hurt—the emotions are so strong and intense!

U drugom nizu komentara, isti čovek oduševljeno opisuje stanje koje ga obuzima kad vidi žene dok vrše malu nuždu: “Kada odem u toalet i počnem da virim, ponekad se toliko napalim da srce počine da me boli, emocije su toliko jake i snažne!

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Bathroom views… they take hold of me completely.”

Pogledi iz toaleta… potpuno me obuzmu.”

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Voyeurs can get excited without even seeing any nudity—the very fact that a person’s privacy has been violated and the feeling of power over an unsuspecting individual can be enough, says clinical psychologist and addictions specialist Veronika Kashirina.

Voajeri mogu da se uzbude čak i bez gledanja golotinje – sama činjenica da je povređena privatnost neke osobe i osećaj moći nad bezazlenim pojedincem može biti dovoljna, kaže klinički psiholog i specijalista za zasivnost Veronika Kashirina.

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In varying degrees, many people enjoy spying on others, Kashirina says, but in rarer cases individuals feel compelled to spy on others, even when it endangers people’s safety.

U različitim stepenima, mnogi ljudi uživaju da špijuniraju druge, kaže Kashirina, ali su ređi slučajevi kada pojedinci osećaju da su primorani da špijuniraju druge, čak i kada to ugrožava sigurnost drugih ljudi.

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(The International Classification of Diseases categorizes voyeurism as a “disorder of sexual preference.”)

(Međunarodna klasifikacija bolesti razvrstava voajerizam kao “poremećaj seksualne sklonosti.”)

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Kashirina says voyeurism is tied to the violation of the psychological boundaries between people: “In our country, there are often five people living in a studio apartment, changing clothes in front of each other, washing without shutting the door, and parents are having sex while their children sleep nearby.

Kashirina kaže da je voajerizam vezan za povredu psiholoških granica između ljudi: “U našoj zemlji, često postoji pet ljudi koji žive u apartmanu studija, presvlače se jedni ispred drugih, peru se a ne zatvore vrata, a roditelji upražnjavaju seks dok im deca spavaju u blizini.

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This strongly blurs psychological boundaries distorting people’s attitudes about their own intimacy and others’ intimacy, which can be the basis for desires to spy on others, or, quite the opposite, it can encourage some people to avoid guarding themselves, making them want to expose themselves publicly.”

Ovo snažno zamagljuje psihološke granice i izvće stavove ljudi o svojoj i tuđoj intimi, na čemu može da se zasniva želja da se špijuniraju drugi, ili, naprotiv, može da podstakne neke ljude da prestanu da čuvaju sebe, što znači da žele da ih drugi gledaju.”

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People like this, Kashirina says, often have low self-esteem, and the feeling of superiority over their victims and the support of others in closed online forums helps artificially raise their sense of self-worth, simultaneously suppressing feelings of guilt, the sense of their own “wrongness,” and the fear of being exposed.

Ovakvi ljudi, kaže Kashirina, često imaju nisko samopoštovanje i osećaj superiornosti nad svojim žrtvama i podrška drugih u zatvorenim on-line forumima im pomaže da na prevaru podignu osećaj vlastite vrednosti, u isto vreme potiskujući osećaj krivice, osećaj njihove vlastite “pogrešnosti,” i strah od izlaganja.

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But most of these voyeurs aren’t afraid of criminal prosecution.

Međutim, većina tih voajera se ne boji kaznenog procesa.

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The prospects of being caught are slim, a forum participant tells the group, pointing out optimistically that it’s hard to find their victims, and the content itself, from the perspective of the law, is no different from ordinary pornography.

Mali su izgledi da će biti uhvaćeni, jedan učesnik foruma kaže u grupi, ističući optimistično da je teško pronaći žrtve, a sam sadržaj, iz perspektive zakona, se ne razlikuje od obične pornografije.

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Generally speaking, community members seem to believe, voyeurs just need to be careful and avoid “drawing attention” to the group’s existence, otherwise “those damned journalists might make a big stink.”

Generalno gledano, izgleda da članovi zajednice veruju da voajeri samo treba da budu oprezni i da izbegavaju da “skreću pažnju” na postojanje grupe, inače bi “ti prokleti novinari mogli da izazovu veliki smrad.”

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Screenshot of one post on a voyeurs’ forum.

Slika jednog posta na forumu voajera.

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If they come for the voyeurs, it won’t be any time soon.

Ako dođu zbog voajera, to neće biti u skorije vreme.

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The main thing is not to get cocky and not to circulate your content .

Glavna stvar je da ne budeš drsko samosvestan, i da ne deliš svoj sadržaj .

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After all, our work is already on social networks.

Uostalom, naš rad se već nalazi na društvenim mrežama.

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Basically, until they’ve caught all the pedophiles, they’ll only catch us randomly.

Ustvari, sve dok ne uhvate sve pedofile, oni će nas hvatiti samo slučajno.

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Of course, the stars of our films mostly don’t know that they’re our stars :-) (except when the recordings are done too obviously, which I’ve always opposed) and there needs to be a plaintiff for any criminal charges.

Naravno, zvezde naših filmova uglavnom ne znaju da su naše zvezde 🙂 (osim kada su snimci urađeni previše jasno, a uvek sam protiv toga) a i trebalo bi da postoji tužba za kaznene prijave.

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And finding the victims and taking their statements is very problematic and complicated in our situation, and the prospects for such cases are pretty slim.

Pronalaženje žrtava i uzimanje njihovih izjava je vrlo problematično i komplikovano u našoj situaciji, a izgledi za takve slučajeve su prilično tanki.

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That’s why you can only really get busted if you’re caught red handed, if you’re filming too obviously and they file a complaint against you.

Zato jedino stvarno možeš da nagrabusiš ako te uhvate na delu, ako snimaš previše očigledno i oni podnesu tužbu protiv tebe.

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For the time being, downloading and distributing our content carries the same administrative penalties as with ordinary pornography.

Za sada, preuzimanje i deljenje našeg sadržaja sadrži iste administrativne kazne kao i kod obične pornografije.

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But if you draw attention to our existence, then those damned journalists might make a big stink in search of a scandal, and if they strike a nerve with society, then they could come to make an example of someone… That’s why, yes, we need to clean out our ranks (following Stalin’s legacy :-)) and introduce rules prohibiting the distribution of our content, and ideally stop selling content for money, where they then end up on torrent-trackers and attract attention.

Međutim, ako skreneš pažnju na naše postojanje, onda ti prokleti novinari mogu da naprave veliki smrad u potrazi za skandalom, i ako pogode u metu kad je društvo u pitanju, onda bi mogli da naprave primer neke osobe… Zato, da, potrebno je da očistimo naše redove (prateći Staljinovu ostavštinu :-)) i da uvedemo pravila koja zabranjuju deljenje našeg sadržaja, i idealno bi bilo da prestanemo da prodajemo sadržaj za novac, gde onda materijal završi na pretraživačima sadržaja i privlači pažnju.

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One way or another.

Na ovaj ili onaj način.

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The hacker who broke into a voyeurs’ forum and used stolen accounts to study its closed sections says the first such communities (one of which was called “Petrovka, 38”) appeared back in the 1990s, in the era of the VHS camera.

Haker koji je provalio u forum voajera i koristio ukradene račune za proučavanje zatvorenih poglavlja kaže da su se prvi put takve zajednice (od kojih se jedna zvala “Petrovka, 38”) pojavile još 1990-ih, u doba VHS kamera.

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The biggest community that exists today, which voyeurs call “The Pen” (a shortened form of its original name, “The Piggy Pen”), was created 12 years ago by a person known by the nickname “Keks.”

Najveća zajednica koja postoji i danas, koju voajeri zovu “Svinjac” (skraćenica od originalnog naziva, “Svinjac za Prasiće”), je nastala pre 12 godina, a postavila ju je osoba poznata po nadimku “Keks.”

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Screenshot from a page on “The Pen.”

Slika sa stranice “Svinjac.”

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In connection with this, we’ve now got another admin, HomoDrill.

U vezi s tim, sada smo dobili još jednog admina, HomoDrill.

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He won’t decide any issue-related matters—this person has been helping us for a long time with the hosting settings, with Apache and PHP, and he needs these rights to do timed tests and bug-squashing.

On neće da odlučuje o stvarima koje su povezane za teme, ta osoba nam već duže vremena pomaže sa postavljanjem, s Apache i PHP-om, a njemu trebaju ta prava da uradi provere u pravo vreme kao i da odstrani bube.

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Of course, he’s far better known under a different name and on other resources, but he’s welcome to dilute our oinking crowd with such an original nickname. :-) Almost all the redesign is his work.

Naravno, on je daleko poznatiji pod drugim imenom i drugim resursima, ali on je dobrodošao da smanji našu nemirnu publiku tako originalnim nadimkom. 🙂 On je uradio skoro sav novi dizajn.

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

HVALA TI PUNO!!!

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Membership in “The Pen” is closed, and participants have varying levels of access to the website’s different sections.

Članstvo u “Svinjacu” je zatvoreno, i učesnici imaju različite nivoe pristupa na različite delove web stranice.

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