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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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wants it to never under any circumstances
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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fly into a building or a mountain.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Yet the September 11 hijackers were able to do that.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And even more embarrassingly, Andreas Lubitz,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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this depressed Germanwings pilot,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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when he flew his passenger jet into the Alps killing over 100
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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people, he just told the autopilot to do it.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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He told the freaking computer to change the altitude
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to 100 meters.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And even though it had the GPS maps, everything,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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the computer was like, OK.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So we should take those very basic values,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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where the problem is not that we don't agree.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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The problem is just we've been too lazy
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to try to put it into our machines
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and make sure that from now on, airplanes will just,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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which all have computers in them,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but will just refuse to do something like that.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Go into safe mode, maybe lock the cockpit door,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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go over to the nearest airport.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And there's so much other technology in our world
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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as well now, where it's really becoming quite timely
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to put in some sort of very basic values like this.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Even in cars, we've had enough vehicle terrorism attacks
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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by now, where people have driven trucks and vans
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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into pedestrians, that it's not at all a crazy idea
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to just have that hardwired into the car.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Because yeah, there are a lot of,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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there's always going to be people who for some reason
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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want to harm others, but most of those people
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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don't have the technical expertise to figure out
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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how to work around something like that.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So if the car just won't do it, it helps.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So let's start there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So there's a lot of, that's a great point.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So not chasing perfect.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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There's a lot of things that most of the world agrees on.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Yeah, let's start there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Let's start there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And then once we start there,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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we'll also get into the habit of having
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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these kind of conversations about, okay,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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what else should we put in here and have these discussions?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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This should be a gradual process then.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Great, so, but that also means describing these things
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and describing it to a machine.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So one thing, we had a few conversations
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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with Stephen Wolfram.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I'm not sure if you're familiar with Stephen.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Oh yeah, I know him quite well.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So he is, he works with a bunch of things,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but cellular automata, these simple computable things,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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these computation systems.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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And he kind of mentioned that,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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we probably have already within these systems
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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already something that's AGI,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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meaning like we just don't know it
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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because we can't talk to it.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So if you give me this chance to try to at least
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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form a question out of this is,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think it's an interesting idea to think
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that we can have intelligent systems,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but we don't know how to describe something to them
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and they can't communicate with us.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I know you're doing a little bit of work in explainable AI,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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trying to get AI to explain itself.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So what are your thoughts of natural language processing
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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or some kind of other communication?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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How does the AI explain something to us?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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How do we explain something to it, to machines?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Or you think of it differently?
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So there are two separate parts to your question there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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One of them has to do with communication,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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which is super interesting, I'll get to that in a sec.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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The other is whether we already have AGI
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but we just haven't noticed it there.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Right.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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There I beg to differ.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I don't think there's anything in any cellular automaton
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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or anything or the internet itself or whatever
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that has artificial general intelligence
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and that it can really do exactly everything
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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we humans can do better.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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I think the day that happens, when that happens,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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we will very soon notice, we'll probably notice even before
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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because in a very, very big way.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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But for the second part, though.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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Wait, can I ask, sorry.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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So, because you have this beautiful way
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to formulating consciousness as information processing,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and you can think of intelligence
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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as information processing,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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and you can think of the entire universe
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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as these particles and these systems roaming around
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that have this information processing power.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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You don't think there is something with the power
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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to process information in the way that we human beings do
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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that's out there that needs to be sort of connected to.
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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It seems a little bit philosophical, perhaps,
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Max Tegmark: Life 3.0 | Lex Fridman Podcast #1
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but there's something compelling to the idea
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