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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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I think that's true for many, many things.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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But for the things like all the fights you had with an ex girlfriend, things that you
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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would think are not useful to still linger somewhere in the subconscious.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So that seems like a bug that it would stick to there.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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You think it would be better if you can analyze it and then get it out of the system.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Better to get it out of the system or just forget it ever happened.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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That seems a very buggy kind of.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Well yeah, in general we don't have, and that's probably functional, we don't have an ability
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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unless it's extreme, there are cases, clinical dissociations, right?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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When people are heavily abused, when they completely repress the memory, but that doesn't
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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happen in normal people.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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We don't have an ability to remove traumatic memories and of course we suffer from that.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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On the other hand, probably if you had the ability to constantly wipe your memory, you'd
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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probably do it to an extent that isn't useful to you.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So yeah, it's a good question to balance.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So on the books, as Jack mentioned, correct me if I'm wrong, but broadly speaking, academia
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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and the different scientific disciplines, certainly in engineering, reading literature
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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seems to be a rare pursuit.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So I'm wrong on this, but that's in my experience, most people read much more technical text
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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and do not sort of escape or seek truth in literature.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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It seems like you do.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So what do you think is the value, what do you think literature adds to the pursuit of
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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scientific truth?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Do you think it's good, it's useful for everybody?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Gives you access to a much wider array of human experiences.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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How valuable do you think it is?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Well if you want to understand human nature and nature in general, then I think you have
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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to better understand a wide variety of experiences, not just sitting in a lab staring at a screen
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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and having a face flashed onto you for a hundred milliseconds and pushing a button.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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That's what I used to do, that's what most psychologists do.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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There's nothing wrong with that, but you need to consider lots of other strange states.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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And literature is a shortcut for this.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Well yeah, because literature, that's what literature is all about, all sorts of interesting
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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experiences that people have, the contingency of it, the fact that women experience the
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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world different, black people experience the world different.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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The one way to experience that is reading all these different literature and try to
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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find out.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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You see, everything is so relative.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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You read a book 300 years ago, they thought about certain problems very, very differently
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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than us today.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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We today, like any culture, think we know it all.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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That's common to every culture.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Every culture believes at its heyday they know it all.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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And then you realize, well, there's other ways of viewing the universe and some of them
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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may have lots of things in their favor.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So this is a question I wanted to ask about time scale or scale in general.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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When you, with IIT or in general, try to think about consciousness, try to think about these
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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ideas, we kind of naturally think in human time scales, and also entities that are sized
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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close to humans.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Do you think of things that are much larger and much smaller as containing consciousness?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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And do you think of things that take, you know, eons to operate in their conscious cause
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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effect?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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That's a very good question.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So I think a lot about small creatures because experimentally, you know, a lot of people
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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work on flies and bees, right?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So most people just think they are automata, they're just bugs for heaven's sake, right?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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But if you look at their behavior, like bees, they can recognize individual humans.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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They have this very complicated way to communicate.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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If you've ever been involved or you know your parents when they bought a house, what sort
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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of agonizing decision that is.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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And bees have to do that once a year, right, when they swarm in the spring.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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And then they have this very elaborate way, they have free and scouts, they go to the
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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individual sites, they come back, they have this power, this dance, literally, where they
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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dance for several days, they try to recruit other deets, this very complicated decision
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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rate, when they finally, once they make a decision, the entire swarm, the scouts warm
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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up the entire swarm and then go to one location.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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They don't go to 50 locations, they go to one location that the scouts have agreed upon
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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by themselves.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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That's awesome.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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If we look at the circuit complexity, it's 10 times more denser than anything we have
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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in our brain.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Now they only have a million neurons, but the neurons are amazingly complex.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Complex behavior, very complicated circuitry, so there's no question they experience something,
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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their life is very different, they're tiny, they only live, you know, for, well, workers
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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live maybe for two months.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So I think, and IIT tells you this, in principle, the substrate of consciousness is the substrate
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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that maximizes the cause effect power over all possible spatial temporal grains.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So when I think about, for example, do you know the science fiction story, The Black
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Cloud?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Okay, it's a classic by Fred Hoyle, the astronomer.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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He has this cloud intervening between the earth and the sun and leading to some sort
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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of, to global cooling, this is written in the 50s.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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It turns out you can, using the radio dish, they communicate with actually an entity,
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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it's actually an intelligent entity, and they sort of, they convince it to move away.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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So here you have a radical different entity, and in principle, IIT says, well, you can
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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measure the integrated information, in principle at least, and yes, if the maximum of that
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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occurs at a time scale of months, rather than in assets for a fraction of a second, yes,
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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then they would experience life where each moment is a month rather than, or microsecond,
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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right, rather than a fraction of a second in the human case.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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And so there may be forms of consciousness that we simply don't recognize for what they
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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are because they are so radical different from anything you and I are used to.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Again, that's why it's good to read or to watch science fiction movies, well, to think
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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about this.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Do you know Stanislav Lem, this Polish science fiction writer, he wrote Solaris and was turned
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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into a Hollywood movie?
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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Yes.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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His best novel is in the 60s, a very engineer, he's an engineer in background.
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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His most interesting novel is called The Victorious, where human civilization, they have this
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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mission to this planet and everything is destroyed and they discover machines, humans got killed
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Christof Koch: Consciousness | Lex Fridman Podcast #2
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and then these machines took over and there was this machine evolution, Darwinian evolution,
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