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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So it's Facebook.
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Let me ask if you can comment on it.
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I think advertisement is best.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So you'd be extremely critical on what ads are
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but at its best, it's actually serving you.
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In a sense, it's giving you, it's connecting you
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to what you would want to explore.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
So it's like related posts or related content.
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It's the same, that's the best of advertisement.
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So discourse is connecting people based on their interests.
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It seems like a place where advertisement at its best
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could actually serve the users.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Is that something that you're considering thinking about
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as a way to bring, to financially support the platform?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
That's interesting because I actually have
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a contrarian view of advertising,
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which I kind of agree with you.
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I recently installed AdBlocker reluctantly
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because I don't like to do that.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
But the performance of the ads, man,
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they're so heavy now and it's just crazy.
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So it's almost like a performance argument
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more than like, I actually am pro ads
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and I have a contrarian viewpoint.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
I agree with you.
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If you do ads right, it's serving you stuff
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you would be interested in anyway.
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I don't mind that, that actually is kind of a good thing.
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So plus I think it's rational to wanna support
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the people that are doing this work
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through seeing their ads.
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But that said, I run AdBlock now,
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which I didn't wanna do, but I was convinced
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by all these articles, like 30, 40 megabytes of stuff
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just to serve you ads.
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Yeah, it feels like ads now are like the experts exchange
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of whenever you start a stock overflow.
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It's a little bit, it's overwhelming.
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Oh, there's so many companies in ad tech
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that it's embarrassing.
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Like you can do that, have you seen those logo charts
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of like just the whole page?
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It's like you can't even see them, they're so small.
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There's so many companies in the space.
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But since you brought it up, I do wanna point out
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that very, very few discourse sites actually run
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using an ad supported model.
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It's not effective.
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Like it's too diluted, it's too weird,
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it doesn't pay well, and like users hate it.
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So it's a combination of like users hate it,
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it doesn't actually work that well in practice.
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Like in theory, yes, I agree with you.
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If you had clean, fast ads that were exactly
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the stuff you would be interested in, awesome.
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We're so far from that though, right?
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Like, and Google does an okay job.
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They do retargeting and stuff like that,
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but in the real world, discourse sites
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rarely can make ads work.
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It just doesn't work for so many reasons.
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But you know what does work is subscriptions,
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Patreon, affiliate codes for like Amazon,
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of like just, oh, here's a cool yo yo, click,
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and then you click and go to Amazon,
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they get a small percentage of that,
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which is fair, I think.
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I mean, because you saw the yo yo on that site
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and you clicked through and you bought it, right?
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That's fair for them to get 5% of that
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or 2% of that, whatever it is.
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Those things definitely work.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
In fact, a site that I used to participate on a lot,
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I helped the owner.
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One of the things, I got them to switch to discourse.
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I basically paid them to switch to discourse
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because I was like, look, you guys got to switch.
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I can't come here anymore on this terrible software.
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But I was like, look, and on top of that,
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like you're serving people ads that they hate.
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Like you should just go full on Patreon
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because he had a little bit of Patreon.
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Go full on Patreon, do the Amazon affiliates thing
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for any Amazon links that get posted and just do that
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and just triple down on that stuff.
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And that's worked really well for them
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and this creator in particular.
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So that stuff works, but traditional ads,
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I mean, definitely not working, at least on discourse.
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So last question.
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You've created the code keyboard.
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
I've programmed most of my adult life on a Kinesis keyboard.
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I have one upstairs now.
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Can you describe what a mechanical keyboard is
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and why is it something that makes you happy?
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Jeff Atwood: Stack Overflow and Coding Horror | Lex Fridman Podcast #7
Well, you know, this is another fetish item, really.
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Like, it's not required.
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You can do programming on any kind of keyboard,
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even like an onscreen keyboard.
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Oh, god, that's terrifying.
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