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Eric Schmidt: Google | Lex Fridman Podcast #8
we would go out to the cow pasture behind my house,
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which was literally a cow pasture
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and we would shoot model rockets off.
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And that I think is the beginning.
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And of course, generationally today,
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it would be video games and all the amazing things
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that you can do online with computers.
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There's a transformative, inspiring aspect of science
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and math that maybe rockets would bring
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would instill in individuals.
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You've mentioned yesterday that eighth grade math
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is where the journey through mathematical universe
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diverges from many people.
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It's this fork in the roadway.
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There's a professor of math at Berkeley, Edward Frankel.
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He, I'm not sure if you're familiar with him.
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I am.
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He has written this amazing book
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I recommend to everybody called Love and Math.
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Two of my favorite words.
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He says that if painting was taught like math,
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then the students would be asked to paint a fence,
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which is his analogy of essentially how math is taught.
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And so you never get a chance to discover the beauty
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of the art of painting or the beauty of the art of math.
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So how, when, and where did you discover that beauty?
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I think what happens with people like myself
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is that your math enabled pretty early
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and all of a sudden you discover that you can use that
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to discover new insights.
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The great scientists will all tell a story,
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the men and women who are fantastic today,
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that somewhere when they were in high school or in college,
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they discovered that they could discover
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something themselves.
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And that sense of building something,
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of having an impact that you own,
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drives knowledge acquisition and learning.
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In my case, it was programming.
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And the notion that I could build things
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that had not existed that I had built,
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that it had my name on it.
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And this was before open source,
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but you could think of it as open source contributions.
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So today, if I were a 16 or 17 year old boy,
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I'm sure that I would aspire as a computer scientist
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to make a contribution like the open source heroes
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of the world today.
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That would be what would be driving me.
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And I'd be trying and learning and making mistakes
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and so forth in the ways that it works.
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The repository that GitHub represents
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and that open source libraries represent
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is an enormous bank of knowledge
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of all of the people who are doing that.
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And one of the lessons that I learned at Google
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was that the world is a very big place
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and there's an awful lot of smart people.
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And an awful lot of them are underutilized.
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So here's an opportunity, for example,
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building parts of programs, building new ideas
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to contribute to the greater of society.
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So in that moment in the 70s,
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the inspiring moment where there was nothing
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and then you created something through programming,
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that magical moment.
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So in 1975, I think you've created a program called Lex,
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which I especially like because my name is Lex.
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So thank you, thank you for creating a brand
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that established a reputation that's long lasting, reliable
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and has a big impact on the world and still used today.
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So thank you for that.
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But more seriously, in that time, in the 70s,
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as an engineer, personal computers were being born.
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Do you think you'd be able to predict the 80s, 90s
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and the aughts of where computers would go?
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I'm sure I could not and would not have gotten it right.
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I was the beneficiary of the great work
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of many, many people who saw it clearer than I did.
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With Lex, I worked with a fellow named Michael Lesk,
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who was my supervisor.
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And he essentially helped me architect
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and deliver a system that's still in use today.
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After that, I worked at Xerox Palo Alto Research Center,
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where the Alto was invented.
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And the Alto is the predecessor
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of the modern personal computer or Macintosh and so forth.
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And the Altos were very rare.
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And I had to drive an hour from Berkeley to go use them.
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But I made a point of skipping classes
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and doing whatever it took to have access
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to this extraordinary achievement.
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I knew that they were consequential.
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What I did not understand was scaling.
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I did not understand what would happen
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when you had 100 million as opposed to 100.
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And so the, since then,
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and I have learned the benefit of scale,
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I always look for things
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which are going to scale to platforms, right?
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