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Ray Kurzweil: Singularity, Superintelligence, and Immortality | Lex Fridman Podcast #321
I mean, there's gonna be competitors.
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But yes, we're gonna live increasingly online,
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and particularly if our brains are online.
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I mean, how could we not be online?
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Do you think it's possible that given this merger with AI,
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most of our meaningful interactions
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will be in this virtual world most of our life?
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We fall in love, we make friends,
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we come up with ideas, we do collaborations, we have fun.
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I actually know somebody who's marrying somebody
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that they never met.
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I think they just met her briefly before the wedding,
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but she actually fell in love with this other person,
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never having met them.
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And I think the love is real, so.
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That's a beautiful story,
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but do you think that story is one that might be experienced
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as opposed to by hundreds of thousands of people,
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but instead by hundreds of millions of people?
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I mean, it really gives you appreciation
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for these virtual ways of communicating.
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And if anybody can do it,
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then it's really not such a freak story.
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So I think more and more people will do that.
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But that's turning our back
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on our entire history of evolution.
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The old days, we used to fall in love by holding hands
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and sitting by the fire, that kind of stuff.
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Here, you're playing.
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Actually, I have five patents on where you can hold hands,
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even if you're separated.
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Great.
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So the touch, the sense, it's all just senses.
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It's all just replicated.
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Yeah, I mean, touch is,
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it's not just that you're touching someone or not.
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There's a whole way of doing it, and it's very subtle.
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But ultimately, we can emulate all of that.
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Are you excited by that future?
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Do you worry about that future?
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I have certain worries about the future,
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but not virtual touch.
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Well, I agree with you.
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You described six stages
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in the evolution of information processing in the universe,
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as you started to describe.
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Can you maybe talk through some of those stages
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from the physics and chemistry to DNA and brains,
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and then to the very end,
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to the very beautiful end of this process?
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It actually gets more rapid.
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So physics and chemistry, that's how we started.
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So the very beginning of the universe.
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We had lots of electrons and various things traveling around.
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And that took actually many billions of years,
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kind of jumping ahead here to kind of
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some of the last stages where we have things
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like love and creativity.
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It's really quite remarkable that that happens.
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But finally, physics and chemistry created biology and DNA.
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And now you had actually one type of molecule
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that described the cutting edge of this process.
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And we go from physics and chemistry to biology.
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And finally, biology created brains.
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I mean, not everything that's created by biology
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has a brain, but eventually brains came along.
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And all of this is happening faster and faster.
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Yeah.
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It created increasingly complex organisms.
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Another key thing is actually not just brains,
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but our thumb.
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Because there's a lot of animals
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with brains even bigger than humans.
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I mean, elephants have a bigger brain.
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Whales have a bigger brain.
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But they've not created technology
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because they don't have a thumb.
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So that's one of the really key elements
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in the evolution of humans.
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This physical manipulator device
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that's useful for puzzle solving in the physical reality.
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So I could think, I could look at a tree and go,
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oh, I could actually trip that branch down
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and eliminate the leaves and carve a tip on it
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and I would create technology.
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And you can't do that if you don't have a thumb.
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Yeah.
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So thumbs then created technology
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and technology also had a memory.
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And now those memories are competing
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with the scale and scope of human beings.
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And ultimately we'll go beyond it.
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And then we're gonna merge human technology
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with human intelligence
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and understand how human intelligence works,
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which I think we already do.
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And we're putting that into our human technology.
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So create the technology inspired by our own intelligence
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and then that technology supersedes us
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in terms of its capabilities.
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