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I do and I don't. I work in the gas fields in Colorado, and so it's kind of a boom industry anyways. And so we're in a boom, and everybody's making a lot of money. | i do and i don't i work in the, gas fields in colorado and so it's kind of a boom industry anyways and so we're in a boom and everybody's making a lot, of | I do. and, I, don't I work in the, gas fields in Colorado and so it's kind. of a boom industry anyways And so we're in a boom and everybody's making a, lot of | i do and i don't. i work in the gas fields in colorado, and so it's kind of a boom industry anyways. and so we're in a boom, and everybody's making a lot of money. |
You're pumping natural gas? | you're pumping natural | You're pumping natural | you're pumping natural gas? |
Correct. And so the natural gas industry here is eventually going to go away. Now when it goes away, we don't know. So is it going to be here when I return from Iraq in a year and a half? I'm not sure. | correct, and so the natural gas industry here is. eventually going to go away now when it goes away we don't know so is it going to be here when i return from iraq in a year and a half? i'm not | Correct And so the natural gas industry here is. eventually going to go away Now when it goes away we don't, know So is it going to be here when I return from Iraq in a. year and a half? I'm not | correct. and so the natural gas industry here is eventually going to go away. now when it goes away, we don't know. so is it going to be here when i return from iraq in a year and a half? i'm not sure. |
And as you think about all that time away and your family, that can't be easy, either. | and as you think. about all that time away and your family that. can't be easy | And as you think about all that, time away and, your family that can't be easy | and as you think about all that time away and your family, that can't be easy, either. |
No, it's not. And it adds a lot of stress to a person's life. And the only thing that you really have to look forward to is that you do have the career and you have the income and you have the insurance. Basically, you have stability in your life currently, even though you know in the near future the stability's going ... | no it's not and it adds a lot of stress. to a person's life and the only thing that you really have to look, forward to is that you do have the career and you have the, income and you have the, insurance basically you have stability in your life currently even. though you know in the near future; the stability's going ... | No it's not And it adds a lot of stress to a person's life And the only thing that you really have to look forward to is that you do have the career and you. have the income and you have the. insurance Basically you have stability in your life currently even though you know in the near future the stability's going to g... | no, it's not. and it adds a lot of stress to a person's life. and the only thing that you really have to look forward to is that you do have the career and you have the income and you have the insurance. basically, you have stability in your life currently, even though you know in the near future the stability's going ... |
Well, Sean, we wish you the best of luck. | well sean we wish you the best of | Well Sean we wish you the best. of | well, sean, we wish you the best of luck. |
Thank you very much. | thank you very | Thank you very | thank you very much. |
Appreciate the call, too. Joining us now is Ana Marie Cox. Many of you know her from her days as Wonkette. Of course, now she's the Washington editor for Time.com. And she joins us from her office here in Washington, D.C. Ana Marie Cox, always good to speak with you. | appreciate the call too joining us now is ana marie cox many of you know her from her days as wonkette of course now she's the washington editor for time.com and she joins us from her, office here in washington d.c ana marie cox always good to, speak with | Appreciate the call too. Joining us now is Ana Marie Cox Many of you know her, from. her days as Wonkette Of course now, she's the Washington; editor for Time.com And she joins us from her office here in Washington, D.C Ana Marie Cox always good to speak with | appreciate the call, too. joining us now is ana marie cox. many of you know her from her days as wonkette. of course, now she's the washington editor for time.com. and she joins us from her office here in washington, d.c. ana marie cox, always good to speak with you. |
Good to be here. | good to be | Good to be | good to be here. |
It was a joy. I enjoyed every day of it. | it was a joy i, enjoyed every day of | It was a joy I enjoyed every day of | it was a joy. i enjoyed every day of it. |
Well, I think that - I think we're waiting for to see something change. I think that we're - to judge by what it seems like people, you know, that are set in the midterm elections, that they would really like something to happen that's not the same sort of bleak outlook that we apparently have in Iraq. And I think that... | well i, think that - i think. we're waiting for to see something change i think that we're - to, judge by what it seems like people you know that are set in the midterm elections. that they would, really like. something to happen that's not the same sort of. bleak outlook that we apparently have in iraq and, i think th... | Well I think that, - I, think we're waiting for to see something change I think that, we're - to judge by what it seems like. people you know that are; set in the midterm, elections that they would really like something, to happen that's not; the same sort of bleak outlook that we apparently have. in Iraq And I think. ... | well, i think that - i think we're waiting for to see something change. i think that we're - to judge by what it seems like people, you know, that are set in the midterm elections, that they would really like something to happen that's not the same sort of bleak outlook that we apparently have in iraq. and i think that... |
That should be pretty good because as you look around, the economy - in most respects, or at least for many people - is doing well. Not for everybody, of course. But there is good news. It is just seemingly overshadowed. | that should be pretty, good because as, you look around the economy - in most respects or at least for many people - is. doing well not, for everybody of course but there, is good news it is just seemingly | That should be pretty good because as you look around the economy - in most respects or at least for many people - is doing well Not for everybody of course But there is good news, It is just seemingly | that should be pretty good because as you look around, the economy - in most respects, or at least for many people - is doing well. not for everybody, of course. but there is good news. it is just seemingly overshadowed. |
Yeah, that's what I think is the case. I think that that plus a sense that our - you know, this administration and the Congress that was in place prior to midterm elections that the culture of corruption - as Democrats like to call it - I think that also has made people wonder about their leaders. | yeah, that's what i. think is. the case i think, that that plus a sense that our - you know this administration and the congress that was in place prior, to, midterm elections that the. culture of corruption. - as democrats like to call it - i think that also has made people wonder about their | Yeah that's what I think is the case I, think that that plus, a sense that our - you know this administration and; the Congress that was in place prior to midterm elections that the culture of corruption - as Democrats like to call it - I think that also has made people wonder about their | yeah, that's what i think is the case. i think that that plus a sense that our - you know, this administration and the congress that was in place prior to midterm elections that the culture of corruption - as democrats like to call it - i think that also has made people wonder about their leaders. |
And obviously, they've given the Democrats - I think the vote in 2006 was not necessarily something that was saying that they - a great vote in confidence for the Democrats. I think it's saying that, you know, let's give the other team a chance. And I have to say, that they're off to an okay start. But, you know, obvio... | and obviously they've given the democrats - i think the vote in 2006 was not necessarily something that was; saying that they - a great vote in confidence for the democrats i think it's saying that you know let's give the other team a chance. and i have; to say that they're off to, an okay start but. you know obviously... | And, obviously, they've given the Democrats - I think the, vote in 2006 was, not necessarily something that was saying that they - a great vote in confidence for the Democrats I think it's saying that you know let's give the other. team a chance And I have to say that they're, off to an okay start But you know obviousl... | and obviously, they've given the democrats - i think the vote in 2006 was not necessarily something that was saying that they - a great vote in confidence for the democrats. i think it's saying that, you know, let's give the other team a chance. and i have to say, that they're off to an okay start. but, you know, obvio... |
What energy there is and how much there's going to be remains to be seen. But as you observe this city, one of the wondrous things is to watch Washington, D.C. as power changes. | what, energy there is and how. much there's going to be remains, to be seen but as you observe this city one of the wondrous things is to watch washington d.c as power | What energy there is and how much there's going to be, remains to be seen, But as you observe this city. one of the wondrous things is; to watch Washington D.C as power | what energy there is and how much there's going to be remains to be seen. but as you observe this city, one of the wondrous things is to watch washington, d.c. as power changes. |
Yeah. Yeah. | yeah | Yeah | yeah. yeah. |
There's so many fascinating things. Somebody I know well said this is the kind of town where people put their Bush/Cheney bumper stickers on the day after the election. | there's so many fascinating things somebody i know well said this is the kind of town where people put their bush/cheney bumper stickers. on the day after the | There's so many fascinating things Somebody I know well said this is the kind of town where, people put their Bush/Cheney bumper. stickers on the day after the | there's so many fascinating things. somebody i know well said this is the kind of town where people put their bush/cheney bumper stickers on the day after the election. |
That's right. And then it's also funny, I mean, I think, from a reporter's perspective, what happens to your Rolodex. You know, this whole section that you hadn't really been using before of all the Democratic staffers, you know, suddenly becomes very well thumbed, and you start reintroducing yourself. There are a lot ... | that's right and then it's also funny i mean i think from a reporter's perspective what happens to your rolodex you know this whole section that you. hadn't really been using before of all the democratic staffers, you. know suddenly becomes very well thumbed and. you start reintroducing yourself there are a lot of drin... | That's right And then. it's also funny I mean I think from a reporter's. perspective what happens to your Rolodex You know this whole section that you. hadn't really been using before, of all the Democratic staffers. you know suddenly becomes very well thumbed and you start reintroducing yourself There are a lot of dri... | that's right. and then it's also funny, i mean, i think, from a reporter's perspective, what happens to your rolodex. you know, this whole section that you hadn't really been using before of all the democratic staffers, you know, suddenly becomes very well thumbed, and you start reintroducing yourself. there are a lot ... |
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Really? | really? | ||
I mean, not necessarily in an admiring way, but definitely - I mean, it's now just a topic of conversation which I don't think - I mean, I guess Condoleezza Rice occasionally shows up in her dominatrix boots, and that might get some tongues wagging. But, you know, everyone knows how much Nancy Pelosi's pearls cost - $3... | i mean not necessarily in an admiring way but definitely - i, mean it's now just a topic of conversation which i don't think - i mean, i guess condoleezza rice occasionally shows up in her dominatrix boots and that, might get some tongues wagging but you know everyone knows. how much nancy pelosi's pearls cost | I mean; not. necessarily in an, admiring way but definitely - I mean it's now just a topic of conversation which I don't think, - I mean I guess Condoleezza Rice occasionally shows up in her dominatrix boots and that might get some tongues wagging But. you know everyone knows. how much Nancy Pelosi's pearls cost | i mean, not necessarily in an admiring way, but definitely - i mean, it's now just a topic of conversation which i don't think - i mean, i guess condoleezza rice occasionally shows up in her dominatrix boots, and that might get some tongues wagging. but, you know, everyone knows how much nancy pelosi's pearls cost - $3... |
Thirty-five thousand dollars. | thirty-five thousand. | Thirty-five thousand | thirty-five thousand dollars. |
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Well, it's nice to know. I must admit, I have found myself wondering, what do they call that haircut? | well it's nice to know i must admit i have found myself wondering what do they call that | Well it's nice to know I must admit I, have found, myself wondering what do they; call that | well, it's nice to know. i must admit, i have found myself wondering, what do they call that haircut? |
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Well actually, we were just talking about this last night. Again, my bureau chief - a guy - was suddenly saying, like, hey, look. They all have the same haircut. All the girls have the same haircut. He was calling it the Hillary. | well actually we were just talking about this last night again my bureau chief - a guy - was; suddenly saying like hey look they all have the. same haircut all the girls have the same haircut he was calling it the | Well actually we were just talking about. this last night Again my bureau chief - a guy - was suddenly saying like hey look They all have the same haircut All the girls have the same haircut He was calling it the, | well actually, we were just talking about this last night. again, my bureau chief - a guy - was suddenly saying, like, hey, look. they all have the same haircut. all the girls have the same haircut. he was calling it the hillary. |
The Hillary? | the | The | the hillary? |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Huh. I guess there's been a theory, of course, that in the Democratic side, you could have the old Hillary run against the new Hillary and different haircuts, too. | huh i guess there's been, a theory of course. that in the democratic side you could have the old hillary run against the new hillary and different. haircuts | Huh I. guess there's. been a theory of course that in the Democratic side, you could have the old Hillary run against the new Hillary and different haircuts | huh. i guess there's been a theory, of course, that in the democratic side, you could have the old hillary run against the new hillary and different haircuts, too. |
Yeah, yeah. That's - well, you know, like - and also they all will wear a red suit, so. But I think - I think this is probably a good thing that we're even having discussions about women, of course, in power. And I have to say that watching last night, I don't have really strong, necessarily, positive feelings about Pe... | yeah yeah that's - well you know like - and also they all will wear. a, red suit so but i think - i think this is probably a good thing that we're even having discussions about women of course in power and i. have to say that watching. last. night i don't have really strong necessarily positive feelings about pelosi bu... | Yeah yeah That's - well you know like - and also they all; will wear a red suit. so But I think - I. think this is probably a good thing that. we're, even having discussions about women of course in; power And I have, to say that watching last night I don't have really strong necessarily positive, feelings about Pelosi... | yeah, yeah. that's - well, you know, like - and also they all will wear a red suit, so. but i think - i think this is probably a good thing that we're even having discussions about women, of course, in power. and i have to say that watching last night, i don't have really strong, necessarily, positive feelings about pe... |
With a hammer. | with a | With. a | with a hammer. |
Yeah. | yeah. | ||
Ana Marie Cox, thanks very much for your time. | ana marie cox thanks, very much for your | Ana Marie Cox. thanks very much for your | ana marie cox, thanks very much for your time. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Ana Marie Cox, Washington editor for Time.com. She joined us from her office here in Washington, D.C. Let's go to - this is Bill. Bill's with us from Flint, Michigan. Bill, are you there? | ana marie cox washington editor for time.com she, joined, us from her office here in washington d.c let's go to - this is bill bill's with us from flint michigan bill are you | Ana Marie Cox Washington editor for Time.com She joined us from her office here in Washington D.C. Let's go to - this is Bill, Bill's with us from Flint Michigan Bill are you | ana marie cox, washington editor for time.com. she joined us from her office here in washington, d.c. let's go to - this is bill. bill's with us from flint, michigan. bill, are you there? |
Yeah, I am. | yeah i | Yeah I | yeah, i am. |
Go ahead, please. You're on the air. | go ahead please you're on. the | Go ahead please You're on the | go ahead, please. you're on the air. |
Yeah, I just - first of all, I just think George Bush is a president, and I believe that you should respect the authority of your country. And we send a really negative message to everyone around the world when we're in such disagreement and disarray. I think we should support what he does. And we're on at Flint, the c... | yeah i just - first. of all i just think george bush is a president and i believe that, you should respect the authority of your country and we send a really negative message to everyone around the world when we're in such disagreement and disarray i think we should support. what he does. and we're on at flint the city... | Yeah. I just - first of all I just think George Bush is a president, and I believe that you; should respect the authority of your country And we send a really negative message to everyone around the world when we're in such disagreement and disarray I think we should support; what he does And we're on at Flint the city... | yeah, i just - first of all, i just think george bush is a president, and i believe that you should respect the authority of your country. and we send a really negative message to everyone around the world when we're in such disagreement and disarray. i think we should support what he does. and we're on at flint, the c... |
Mm-hmm. | mm-hmm. | ||
I'm a construction worker, and I work all the time. And as long as I do a good job, I'll keep working. And I don't, you know, I just - all I hear about is the Iraq war, and there's a lot of other things going on. | i'm a construction worker and i work all the time and as long as i do a good job i'll keep working, and i don't you know i just, - all i hear about is the iraq war and there's a lot of other things going | I'm, a construction worker and. I work, all, the time And as long. as I, do a good job; I'll keep working And I don't you know I just - all I hear about is, the Iraq war and there's a lot of other things going | i'm a construction worker, and i work all the time. and as long as i do a good job, i'll keep working. and i don't, you know, i just - all i hear about is the iraq war, and there's a lot of other things going on. |
So from your vantage point, things are going well? | so from. your vantage point things are going | So from your vantage point things are going | so from your vantage point, things are going well? |
Right. Our state is not doing that good, maybe because of state leadership. But nationwide, I think our nation is doing good. I'm into morals and stuff like that, and I believe that morals have come to the forefront because of the leadership. | right our state is not doing that good; maybe because of state leadership but nationwide i think. our nation is doing good i'm into morals. and stuff. like that and i believe that morals have, come to the forefront, because, of, the | Right Our state is not doing that good maybe because of state leadership But nationwide I think our nation is doing good I'm into morals and stuff like that and I believe. that morals have come to, the forefront because of, the | right. our state is not doing that good, maybe because of state leadership. but nationwide, i think our nation is doing good. i'm into morals and stuff like that, and i believe that morals have come to the forefront because of the leadership. |
Well, Bill, thanks very much, and continued good luck to you. | well bill thanks very; much, and; continued good, luck to | Well Bill thanks very much and continued good luck. to | well, bill, thanks very much, and continued good luck to you. |
Okay. Thanks. | okay | Okay | okay. thanks. |
Bye-bye. Another thinker we're going to hear from now, philosophy professor Kwame Anthony Appiah. He joins us from the Princeton University studios. And it's good to have you back on TALK OF THE NATION. | bye-bye another. thinker we're going to hear from now philosophy professor kwame anthony appiah he joins, us from the princeton university studios and it's good to have you back on. talk of the | Bye-bye Another thinker we're going to hear from now philosophy professor. Kwame; Anthony Appiah He joins us from, the. Princeton University studios And it's good to have you back on, TALK OF THE | bye-bye. another thinker we're going to hear from now, philosophy professor kwame anthony appiah. he joins us from the princeton university studios. and it's good to have you back on talk of the nation. |
Nice to be here, Neal. | nice, to be here | Nice to be here | nice to be here, neal. |
From your vantage point, what's the state of the union? | from your vantage point what's the state of. the, | From your vantage; point what's the state of the | from your vantage point, what's the state of the union? |
Well, it's hard - as you said - to cover the whole state of the union in a brief remark. But let me make an observation as a university professor, which is that we have an incredible university system. There are no doubt problems about the financing of it for some people, and so on. But fundamentally, we have an astoni... | well, it's hard - as you said - to cover the whole state of the union in a, brief remark but let me make an observation as a, university professor which is that we have an incredible university system there are no doubt problems about the financing of it for some people and so on but fundamentally; we have; an astonish... | Well, it's hard - as; you, said - to cover the whole, state of the, union in a brief remark But let me make an, observation as a university professor which is that we have an incredible, university system There are no doubt problems; about. the financing of it, for some people and so on But fundamentally we have an ast... | well, it's hard - as you said - to cover the whole state of the union in a brief remark. but let me make an observation as a university professor, which is that we have an incredible university system. there are no doubt problems about the financing of it for some people, and so on. but fundamentally, we have an astoni... |
I don't wish to include myself in that by - in a boastful way. But I did come here because of the wonders of the American tertiary education system. And it's a very great strength, and it's a very important part of what's good about the state of the Union, I think is that we have this terrific university system that is... | i don't wish to include myself in that by, - in a boastful way but i did. come here. because of the wonders of the american tertiary education system and it's a very great strength and it's a very important part of what's good about the state of the union i think is. that; we have this terrific university system. that ... | I don't wish to include myself, in that by - in a boastful way; But I did come here because of the wonders of the American tertiary education. system And it's a very great strength, and it's a very important part of what's good about the state of the Union I think is that we have this terrific university system that is... | i don't wish to include myself in that by - in a boastful way. but i did come here because of the wonders of the american tertiary education system. and it's a very great strength, and it's a very important part of what's good about the state of the union, i think is that we have this terrific university system that is... |
Our science was led by Einstein in the physical sciences and Hans Bethe, and in the social sciences by von Neumann(ph). And many of the people who gave us our intellectual leadership, many of the people who have given us our great business leadership - Andy Grove at Intel. These are all people who came from other place... | our, science was led by einstein in the physical sciences and hans bethe and in the social, sciences, by von neumann(ph). and. many of the people who gave us our intellectual leadership many of the people who have given us our great business leadership - andy grove at intel these are all people who came from other plac... | Our science was led. by Einstein. in, the physical sciences, and Hans Bethe and in, the social sciences, by von Neumann(ph). And many of the people who gave us our intellectual leadership. many of, the people who have given us our great business leadership - Andy Grove at Intel These are all people who. came; from othe... | our science was led by einstein in the physical sciences and hans bethe, and in the social sciences by von neumann(ph). and many of the people who gave us our intellectual leadership, many of the people who have given us our great business leadership - andy grove at intel. these are all people who came from other place... |
So we're - I think that openness to the world was part of what gave us our economic strength, our intellectual strength, our cultural strength. And I think that it's still there. I think people still do feel that it's important to be open to the world. I wish more Americans were able to travel more, and I wish more Ame... | so we're - i think that openness, to the world was part of what gave us our economic; strength our intellectual strength our cultural strength and i think that it's still there i think people still do feel that it's important to be open to the world i wish more americans were able to travel. more and i wish more americ... | So we're - I think that openness to the, world was part of, what gave us. our economic strength our intellectual strength our cultural strength And I think. that it's. still there I, think people still do feel, that it's important to be open to the world I wish more Americans were able to travel more and I wish more Am... | so we're - i think that openness to the world was part of what gave us our economic strength, our intellectual strength, our cultural strength. and i think that it's still there. i think people still do feel that it's important to be open to the world. i wish more americans were able to travel more, and i wish more ame... |
And part of it, I think, is inevitable if you're a powerful nation. But I think part of it is not necessary, and it flows from our failure to demonstrate respect for the views and concerns of other people, our sense that we're in the right always, and that other people just have to listen to us and do what they're told... | and part, of it i think is, inevitable if you're a powerful nation but i think part of it is, not necessary and it flows from our failure to demonstrate respect for the views and concerns of other. people our sense that we're in the right always and that other people just have to listen to us. and do what they're | And. part, of it I think is inevitable if you're a powerful nation But I think part of it is not necessary and it flows; from our failure to demonstrate respect for the views and concerns, of other people our sense that we're in the, right. always and that other people just have to listen to us and do what they're | and part of it, i think, is inevitable if you're a powerful nation. but i think part of it is not necessary, and it flows from our failure to demonstrate respect for the views and concerns of other people, our sense that we're in the right always, and that other people just have to listen to us and do what they're told... |
And if we knew more, if Americans - not just American leaders, but ordinary Americans - were more aware of how we look, which we could - which we could do now by listening to other people, by watching movies from other places, by going on the Internet and seeing, you know, Web sites that don't have dot-com on after the... | and, if we knew more if americans - not just american leaders but ordinary americans - were more aware of how we look which we could - which. we could do now, by listening to, other people by watching movies from other places by going on the internet; and seeing you. know; web sites that don't have dot-com on after the... | And if we knew more if Americans - not just American leaders but. ordinary, Americans - were; more aware, of how we look which we could - which we could. do now by listening to other people by watching movies from other places by going on the Internet and seeing you know Web sites that don't have dot-com on after them ... | and if we knew more, if americans - not just american leaders, but ordinary americans - were more aware of how we look, which we could - which we could do now by listening to other people, by watching movies from other places, by going on the internet and seeing, you know, web sites that don't have dot-com on after the... |
We're speaking with Kwame Anthony Appiah. You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR News. | we're speaking, with. kwame anthony appiah you're. listening to, talk of the nation from npr | We're speaking with Kwame Anthony Appiah You're listening to TALK OF THE NATION from NPR | we're speaking with kwame anthony appiah. you're listening to talk of the nation from npr news. |
I was interested when you were talking about America being more open in the previous century. This was in America, of course, that barred most immigration from, what? Mid-1920s to the mid-1970s. | i was interested when you were talking about america being more open in the previous century this was in, america of course that barred most immigration from what? mid-1920s to the | I was interested when. you were talking about America being more open in the. previous century This was in America of course that barred most immigration from what? Mid-1920s to the | i was interested when you were talking about america being more open in the previous century. this was in america, of course, that barred most immigration from, what? mid-1920s to the mid-1970s. |
Right. No, the openness that there was though, the - did make a big difference. And I think the openness that began with the changes in immigration law in the late '60s and the early '70s has been good for us. And I hope that in the discussions about immigration as an issue at the state of the nation, we'll continue to... | right no the openness that there was though the - did make a big difference, and i, think the openness that began with the changes in; immigration law in the late '60s and the early '70s has; been good for us and i, hope, that in the discussions about immigration as an issue at the state of the nation we'll continue to... | Right No the openness that there was though the - did make a big difference And I think the openness that began with the changes in immigration, law, in the late '60s and the early '70s has been good for us And I hope that in the discussions about immigration as an issue at the state, of the nation, we'll continue to r... | right. no, the openness that there was though, the - did make a big difference. and i think the openness that began with the changes in immigration law in the late '60s and the early '70s has been good for us. and i hope that in the discussions about immigration as an issue at the state of the nation, we'll continue to... |
And I've been going around the country sort of talking about cosmopolitanism, and I find that there is a real resonance for that idea in many, many places. Many young people, in particular, feel, yes. We need to understand the rest of the world better. We need to be more respectful to the rest of the world. And not jus... | and i've been going around the country sort of talking. about cosmopolitanism and i find that there is a real resonance for that idea in many many places many young people in particular feel yes we need to understand the rest of. the world better we need to be more respectful to the rest, of the world and not just beca... | And I've been going around the country sort of talking, about cosmopolitanism and I find that there is a real, resonance for that idea in many, many places Many young, people in particular feel yes. We need to understand the rest of. the world better We need, to, be more, respectful to the rest of the world And not, ju... | and i've been going around the country sort of talking about cosmopolitanism, and i find that there is a real resonance for that idea in many, many places. many young people, in particular, feel, yes. we need to understand the rest of the world better. we need to be more respectful to the rest of the world. and not jus... |
And we've been strengthened in our politics, you know, people like Colin Powell, Henry Kissinger, Madeleine Albright - to mention three secretaries of state who have either came from abroad or had parents who came from abroad. I think we have that strength that comes from this openness, and I believe that that is still... | and we've been strengthened in our. politics you know people like colin, powell henry kissinger madeleine albright - to, mention three secretaries of state who have either came from abroad or had parents who came from abroad i think we have that strength that comes from. this openness and i believe that that; is still ... | And we've been strengthened in our politics you know people like Colin Powell Henry Kissinger Madeleine Albright - to mention three secretaries of state who have either came from abroad or had parents who came from abroad I think we have that strength that comes from this openness and I believe that that. is still a re... | and we've been strengthened in our politics, you know, people like colin powell, henry kissinger, madeleine albright - to mention three secretaries of state who have either came from abroad or had parents who came from abroad. i think we have that strength that comes from this openness, and i believe that that is still... |
And it has - as I say, in my particular little bit of the world, in the university world - meant that we do have these terrifically good universities. When people worry about our being taken over by China or India in the coming century, I have to tell them that they simply don't have the resources, the intellectual res... | and it has - as i say in my particular little bit of the world in the university world - meant, that we do have. these terrifically good universities when people worry about our being. taken over by china or india in the coming century; i. have to tell them that they simply don't have the resources. the intellectual re... | And it has - as I say in my particular little bit of the world in the university world - meant, that we do have these terrifically good universities When people worry about our. being taken over by China or India in the coming century I have to tell them that they simply don't have the resources. the intellectual resou... | and it has - as i say, in my particular little bit of the world, in the university world - meant that we do have these terrifically good universities. when people worry about our being taken over by china or india in the coming century, i have to tell them that they simply don't have the resources, the intellectual res... |
Kwame Anthony Appiah, thank you very much for your time today. | kwame anthony appiah thank you very much for your time | Kwame Anthony Appiah. thank you very much for your time | kwame anthony appiah, thank you very much for your time today. |
It's a pleasure. | it's a | It's a | it's a pleasure. |
Mr. Appiah's most recent book is "Cosmopolitanism." I'm Neal Conan. More on your thoughts on the state of the union when we come back from a short break. 800-989-8255. This is NPR News. | mr appiah's most recent book is "cosmopolitanism" i'm neal conan more. on; your thoughts, on the state. of the union when. we come back from a short break 800-989-8255. this is npr | Mr Appiah's most recent book is "Cosmopolitanism" I'm Neal Conan More on your thoughts on the state of the union when we come back from a short break 800-989-8255. This is NPR | mr. appiah's most recent book is "cosmopolitanism." i'm neal conan. more on your thoughts on the state of the union when we come back from a short break. 800-989-8255. this is npr news. |
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This is TALK OF THE NATION. I'm Neal Conan in Washington. | this is talk of the nation i'm neal conan in | This is TALK OF THE NATION I'm Neal Conan in. | this is talk of the nation. i'm neal conan in washington. |
If you're tuning in now for our regular Political Junkie segment, we're going to punt that to tomorrow as well, and we're going to have a live studio audience in 4A. And Ken Rudin will be there, and well, probably because he's lost in West Virginia today. Then, it'll be fun tomorrow, and we'll have the Political Junkie... | if you're tuning in now for our regular political junkie segment we're going to punt. that to tomorrow as well and. we're going. to have a live; studio audience in 4a and ken rudin will be there and well probably because he's lost in west virginia today then it'll be, fun tomorrow and we'll have the political, junkie f... | If you're tuning in now for our regular Political Junkie segment we're going to punt that to tomorrow as well and we're going. to have a live studio audience in 4A. And Ken Rudin will be there and well probably because he's lost in West Virginia today Then it'll, be fun tomorrow and we'll have the Political Junkie for | if you're tuning in now for our regular political junkie segment, we're going to punt that to tomorrow as well, and we're going to have a live studio audience in 4a. and ken rudin will be there, and well, probably because he's lost in west virginia today. then, it'll be fun tomorrow, and we'll have the political junkie... |
Today, we're talking about the state of the union. Not the politics and partisan reaction to what we heard last night, but rather, candid assessments of the state of the country from your perspective - from where you live, from where you work, from where you teach or study. Give us a call. 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK. O... | today we're talking about the state of the union not the politics and, partisan reaction to what we heard last night but rather candid assessments of the state of the country from. your perspective - from where you live from where you work from, where you teach or study, give us a call 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk or sen... | Today we're talking about the state of the union Not the politics and partisan reaction to what, we heard last night but rather, candid, assessments of the state of the country from your perspective - from where you live from where you work from where you teach, or study Give us a call 800-989-8255, 800-989-TALK. Or se... | today, we're talking about the state of the union. not the politics and partisan reaction to what we heard last night, but rather, candid assessments of the state of the country from your perspective - from where you live, from where you work, from where you teach or study. give us a call. 800-989-8255, 800-989-talk. o... |
He directed the film version of "Sin City" in 2005. Writer, artist, and film director Frank Miller joins us now from our bureau in New York. Nice to have you back on TALK OF THE NATION. | he directed the film version of. "sin city" in 2005. writer artist and film director frank miller. joins us now from our bureau in new york nice to have you back on talk of the | He directed the film version of "Sin City" in 2005. Writer artist and film director Frank Miller joins us now from our bureau in, New York Nice to have. you back. on TALK OF THE, | he directed the film version of "sin city" in 2005. writer, artist, and film director frank miller joins us now from our bureau in new york. nice to have you back on talk of the nation. |
Thank you, Neal. | thank you | Thank you | thank you, neal. |
And Frank, what's the state of the union? | and frank what's the state of, the | And Frank what's the state of the | and frank, what's the state of the union? |
Well, I don't - I believe I don't find myself worrying so much for the state of the union as I do about the state of the home front. It seems to me quite obvious that our country and the entire Western world is up against an existential foe that knows exactly what it wants. And we're behaving like a collapsing empire. ... | well i don't - i believe. i don't find myself worrying so much for the state of the union as. i do about the state of the home front it seems to me quite obvious that, our country and the. entire western world is up against. an existential foe that knows, exactly what, it wants and we're behaving like a collapsing empi... | Well I don't - I believe I don't find myself worrying so much for, the state, of the union. as I do about the state of the home front It, seems to me quite obvious that our, country and the. entire. Western world is up, against an existential foe that knows exactly what it wants And. we're behaving like a. collapsing e... | well, i don't - i believe i don't find myself worrying so much for the state of the union as i do about the state of the home front. it seems to me quite obvious that our country and the entire western world is up against an existential foe that knows exactly what it wants. and we're behaving like a collapsing empire. ... |
And when you say we don't know what we want, is this - what's the cause of that, do you think? | and when you say we don't. know what we want is this - what's the cause of that do you | And when you say we don't know what, we. want is this - what's the cause of that do you | and when you say we don't know what we want, is this - what's the cause of that, do you think? |
I think part of it is what the way people like I were educated. We're constantly told that all cultures are equal, and that every belief system is as good as the next. And it led to a kind of - and generally, that America was to be known for its flaws rather than its virtues. When you think of what Americans accomplish... | i think part of it is, what. the way people like i were educated we're constantly told that all cultures are equal and that every belief system, is as good as the next, and it led to a kind of - and generally that america was to be known for its flaws rather. than its, virtues when you think of what americans accomplis... | I think part of it is what the way people like I were educated We're, constantly told that all cultures are equal and that; every belief system is as good as the next And it led to a kind of. - and generally that America was to be known for its flaws rather, than its virtues When you think of what Americans accomplishe... | i think part of it is what the way people like i were educated. we're constantly told that all cultures are equal, and that every belief system is as good as the next. and it led to a kind of - and generally, that america was to be known for its flaws rather than its virtues. when you think of what americans accomplish... |
A lot of people would say that what America has done abroad has led to the doubts and even the hatred of some of its own citizens. | a lot of people would say that what america has, done abroad has led to the doubts and even the. hatred of some, of its own | A lot, of people would say. that what America has done abroad has. led to, the doubts and even the hatred of some of its own | a lot of people would say that what america has done abroad has led to the doubts and even the hatred of some of its own citizens. |
Well, okay, then let's finally talk about the enemy. Somebody, for some reason, nobody seems to be talking about who we're up against and the sixth century barbarism they actually represent. These people saw people's heads off. They enslave women. They genetically mutilate their daughters. They do not behave by any cul... | well, okay then. let's finally talk. about the enemy somebody for some reason nobody seems to be talking about who we're up against; and. the sixth century barbarism they actually represent these, people saw, people's heads off they enslave women they genetically, mutilate their daughters they do not behave. by any cul... | Well. okay then let's finally talk about the enemy Somebody for some reason; nobody, seems to be talking about who we're up against and the sixth century barbarism they actually represent These people saw people's heads off They enslave women They genetically, mutilate their daughters They do not behave by any cultural... | well, okay, then let's finally talk about the enemy. somebody, for some reason, nobody seems to be talking about who we're up against and the sixth century barbarism they actually represent. these people saw people's heads off. they enslave women. they genetically mutilate their daughters. they do not behave by any cul... |
As you look at people around you, though, why do you think that they are so - as you would put it - self-absorbed, even whiny? | as you look at, people around you, though why do. you, think that they are so - as you. would put it - self-absorbed even | As you look at people around you though why do. you think that they are so, - as you would put it - self-absorbed even | as you look at people around you, though, why do you think that they are so - as you would put it - self-absorbed, even whiny? |
Well, I'd say for the same reason the Athenians and the Romans were. We've got a little good right now. Where I would fault President Bush the most was that in the wake of 9/11, he motivated our military, but he didn't call the nation into a state of war. And he didn't explain that this would take though a communal eff... | well i'd say for the same reason the athenians and the romans were we've got a little, good right now where i would fault president bush the. most was that in the wake of 9/11, he motivated our military but he didn't call, the nation. into a state of war and he didn't explain that this would take, though a communal eff... | Well I'd say for the same reason the Athenians and; the Romans were We've got a little good right now Where I would fault President Bush the most was that in the, wake of 9/11, he motivated, our. military but he, didn't call the nation into a state of war And he didn't explain that this would take though a communal eff... | well, i'd say for the same reason the athenians and the romans were. we've got a little good right now. where i would fault president bush the most was that in the wake of 9/11, he motivated our military, but he didn't call the nation into a state of war. and he didn't explain that this would take though a communal eff... |
Also, I think that George Bush has an uncanny knack of being somebody people hate. I thought Clinton inspired more hatred than any president I'd ever seen. But I've never seen anything like Bush hatred. It's completely mad. | also i think that george bush has an; uncanny knack of being somebody people hate i thought clinton inspired more hatred than any president i'd ever seen but i've never seen anything like bush. hatred it's completely | Also I, think. that George Bush has an uncanny knack of being somebody people hate I thought Clinton inspired more hatred than any president, I'd ever seen But I've never seen anything like Bush hatred It's completely, | also, i think that george bush has an uncanny knack of being somebody people hate. i thought clinton inspired more hatred than any president i'd ever seen. but i've never seen anything like bush hatred. it's completely mad. |
And as you talk to people in the streets, the people you meet at work, socially, what - how do you explain this to them? | and as. you talk to people in the streets the people you meet. at work socially what - how do you explain this to | And as you talk to people in, the, streets. the people you meet at work socially what - how do you explain this to, | and as you talk to people in the streets, the people you meet at work, socially, what - how do you explain this to them? |
Mainly in historical terms - mainly saying that the country that fought Okinawa and Iwo Jima is now spilling precious blood, but so little that by comparison, it's almost ridiculous. And the stakes are as high as they were then. | mainly in. historical terms - mainly saying. that the country that fought okinawa and, iwo jima is now spilling precious blood but so little that by comparison it's almost ridiculous and the stakes are as high as they were | Mainly in historical terms - mainly saying that the country. that fought Okinawa and Iwo Jima is now spilling precious blood but so little that by, comparison it's almost ridiculous And the stakes are as high as they were | mainly in historical terms - mainly saying that the country that fought okinawa and iwo jima is now spilling precious blood, but so little that by comparison, it's almost ridiculous. and the stakes are as high as they were then. |
Mostly, I hear people say, well, you know, why did we attack Iraq, for instance? Well, we're taking on an idea, the same way that when we - I mean, nobody questions why we, after Pearl Harbor, attacked Nazi Germany. It was because we were taking on a form of global fascism. We're doing the same thing now. | mostly i hear people say well, you know why did we attack iraq for instance? well we're taking, on an idea the same way that when we - i mean nobody questions why we after pearl harbor attacked nazi germany. it was because we were taking on a form of global; fascism we're doing the same thing | Mostly I hear. people say well you know why did we attack Iraq for instance? Well we're taking on an idea the same way that when, we - I mean nobody questions why we after Pearl Harbor attacked Nazi Germany It was because we, were taking on a, form of global fascism We're doing the same thing | mostly, i hear people say, well, you know, why did we attack iraq, for instance? well, we're taking on an idea, the same way that when we - i mean, nobody questions why we, after pearl harbor, attacked nazi germany. it was because we were taking on a form of global fascism. we're doing the same thing now. |
They did declare war on us, but... | they did declare war on us | They did declare war on us | they did declare war on us, but... |
Yeah, but what I mean is - so did Iraq. | yeah but what i mean is - so did | Yeah but what I mean is - so did | yeah, but what i mean is - so did iraq. |
Frank Miller, thanks very much for your time today. We appreciate it. | frank. miller thanks very much for, your time today we appreciate | Frank Miller thanks, very much for your time today. We appreciate | frank miller, thanks very much for your time today. we appreciate it. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Frank Miller, writer, artist and film director. He's the creative force behind the Batman books, "The Dark Knight Returns," and "The Dark Knight Strikes Again." His new film, "The 300" opens in March. He joined us from our bureau in New York. | frank miller. writer artist and film director he's the creative force behind the batman books "the dark knight returns" and; "the dark knight strikes again" his new film "the 300" opens in march he joined us from our bureau, in, new | Frank Miller writer artist and film director He's the. creative force behind the Batman books "The Dark Knight Returns" and "The Dark Knight Strikes Again" His, new film "The 300" opens in March He joined us from our bureau. in New | frank miller, writer, artist and film director. he's the creative force behind the batman books, "the dark knight returns," and "the dark knight strikes again." his new film, "the 300" opens in march. he joined us from our bureau in new york. |
Let's see if we can get another caller on the line. This is Marty. Marty's with us from Green Bay in Wisconsin. | let's see if we can get another caller on the line this is marty marty's with us from green bay in | Let's see if. we. can get another caller on the line This is Marty Marty's with us from Green. Bay in | let's see if we can get another caller on the line. this is marty. marty's with us from green bay in wisconsin. |
Hi, thanks for taking my call. | hi thanks for taking my | Hi thanks for taking my | hi, thanks for taking my call. |
Sure. | sure. | ||
My son volunteered after 9/11 for the Marines, and at the time, I was doing a protest march with my 5-year-old son with a banner that said: The longest inspection is better than the shortest war. And my oldest son said, Mom, I signed up. I volunteered because I want to help the women and children in Afghanistan. And th... | my son volunteered after 9/11 for the marines and at the time i was doing a protest march with my. 5-year-old son with a banner that said: the longest, inspection is better than, the shortest war, and my oldest son said mom i signed up i volunteered, because i want to help the, women and children; in afghanistan and th... | My son volunteered after 9/11 for the Marines and at the time I was doing a, protest, march. with my 5-year-old son with, a banner that. said: The longest inspection is better than the shortest war And my oldest son said Mom I signed up, I volunteered because I want to help the women and children in. Afghanistan. And t... | my son volunteered after 9/11 for the marines, and at the time, i was doing a protest march with my 5-year-old son with a banner that said: the longest inspection is better than the shortest war. and my oldest son said, mom, i signed up. i volunteered because i want to help the women and children in afghanistan. and th... |
What the president doesn't acknowledge is the hundreds of thousands of not just casualties in Iraq, but the hundreds of thousands of families that have been disrupted in this country - the 30,000-plus kids that are coming back with missing limbs, the countless dead and refugees in Iraq. | what the president doesn't acknowledge is the hundreds of thousands of; not just casualties in iraq but the hundreds of thousands of families that have been disrupted in this country - the 30,000-plus kids that are coming back with missing limbs the countless dead and refugees, in. | What the president doesn't acknowledge is the, hundreds of thousands. of not just casualties in Iraq but the hundreds of thousands of families that have been disrupted in this. country - the 30,000-plus kids. that are coming back with missing, limbs the countless dead and. refugees in | what the president doesn't acknowledge is the hundreds of thousands of not just casualties in iraq, but the hundreds of thousands of families that have been disrupted in this country - the 30,000-plus kids that are coming back with missing limbs, the countless dead and refugees in iraq. |
I mean, the prime minister of Iraq asked George Bush back in November to get out, take the troops out of Iraq. And he said I'll think about it. Why aren't we - why isn't he listening to so many voices say we should not be there? | i mean the prime minister of iraq asked george bush back in november to get out take; the troops out of iraq and he said i'll think about it why aren't we - why isn't he listening to so many voices say we should not be | I mean the. prime minister of Iraq asked George Bush back in November to get out take, the troops out of Iraq And he said I'll think about it Why aren't we. - why. isn't he listening to so many, voices say we should not be | i mean, the prime minister of iraq asked george bush back in november to get out, take the troops out of iraq. and he said i'll think about it. why aren't we - why isn't he listening to so many voices say we should not be there? |
Is it your younger son or your older son who's... | is it your younger son or your older son. | Is it your younger son, or your older son | is it your younger son or your older son who's... |
My oldest son volunteered for the Marines. | my oldest son volunteered for the | My oldest son volunteered for the | my oldest son volunteered for the marines. |
And so he's the one who will be sent to Anbar Province as part of the surge? | and, so he's the one who will be sent to anbar province as part of. the | And so he's the one who will be sent to Anbar; Province as part of the | and so he's the one who will be sent to anbar province as part of the surge? |
Absolutely, absolutely. And I really wish President Bush would acknowledge what he has done. Iraq did not attack us on 9/11. Go back to what originally what it was, and if the prime minister of Iraq is saying we'd be better off without the U.S. troops there, why aren't we listening? | absolutely absolutely and i really wish president bush would acknowledge what he has done iraq did not attack us on 9/11. go back to what originally what it was and if the prime minister of iraq is saying, we'd be better off, without, the u.s troops there why aren't we | Absolutely absolutely And I really wish President Bush would acknowledge what he, has done Iraq did not attack us on 9/11. Go back to what originally what it was, and; if the prime minister of Iraq is saying we'd. be better off without the U.S troops there why aren't we | absolutely, absolutely. and i really wish president bush would acknowledge what he has done. iraq did not attack us on 9/11. go back to what originally what it was, and if the prime minister of iraq is saying we'd be better off without the u.s. troops there, why aren't we listening? |
That's not exactly what he said, but anyway. Thanks very much for the call, Marty, appreciate it. | that's not exactly what he said but anyway thanks very much for the call marty appreciate | That's not exactly what he said. but anyway Thanks very much for the call, Marty appreciate | that's not exactly what he said, but anyway. thanks very much for the call, marty, appreciate it. |
Thank you. | thank | Thank | thank you. |
Bye-bye. Our next guest is Richard Land. He's president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission in Tennessee. He's also host of a weekday radio program for faith and family. Thanks very much for being with us today. | bye-bye our next guest is richard land he's president of the southern baptist, convention's ethics and religious, liberty commission in tennessee he's also host of a. weekday. radio program for faith and family thanks very much for being with us | Bye-bye Our next guest is Richard Land He's president of the Southern Baptist Convention's Ethics and, Religious Liberty Commission in Tennessee He's also host of a weekday radio program for faith and family Thanks very much for being with us | bye-bye. our next guest is richard land. he's president of the southern baptist convention's ethics and religious liberty commission in tennessee. he's also host of a weekday radio program for faith and family. thanks very much for being with us today. |
You bet. | you | You | you bet. |
And in your view, what's the state of the union? | and in your view what's the state of the | And in your view what's the state of the | and in your view, what's the state of the union? |
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