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d55f86f30464-275 | Audience: ?? I think, I think as we continue...??
TM: Well, you know even in the most ritualistic context there's always a footnote made for the crazy wisdom. I mean every great teacher has said that what he saying is malarkey. A teacher that doesn't tell you that what he or she is saying is malarkey is not to be take... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-276 | Audience: Could you comment on that? I'd like to know a little bit about that.
TM: Well, are you all familiar with Rupert Sheldrake's work? Sheldrake is a British biologist whose written a number of books. First book is called A new science of life and it was catapulted to fame by virtue of a review in Nature which sa... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-277 | Audience: ??
TM: Yes, simple, but it takes then forms which drive people crazy because he asserts based on that that if you teach rats to run a new kind of maze in Australia then rats in Massachusetts should be able to run this maze uh, faster than if the rats and Australia hadn't uh, learned it because once something... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-278 | Transcribed by Eva Petakovic
[6:30:00]
TM: You know i mean recently we had paraded in front of the figure of Jeffrey Dahmer as who you don't want to be like. And yet jeffery dahmer to me was an absolute paradigm of global civilization because his problem was that he didn't he couldn't feel the consequences of his act... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-279 | [6:32:00] out of out of the knot that we have tied ourselves into and so i you know i'm a kind of non feminist feminist. I mean i think most feminists are feminists because they think women have gotten a raw deal. I m a feminist because i think mankind is headed for suicide if we don't return to a more intense expressi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-280 | [6:34:30] all the distinctions and make you think you're never going to be slammed to the wll and have to make a choice but the choice that's coming up for us is fundamental. It is are we to become the care givers the nurturers and the gardeners of the earth or is the earth you know this is i put it this way to somebod... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-281 | Audience:
[6:36:30]
TM: yes and most stars uh have lives shorter than the amount of time that biology has been on this planet. We are fortunate enough to be around a very slow burning stable star. There are a lot of.. I havent forgtotten your second question right. There are a lot of mysteries in our coscmic neighbou... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-282 | [6:38:30] attractor in the historical matrix because it will be hailed as the answer. I mean can ou imagine? If an .. because there wil then be two possibilities. That there is intelligence next door not likely or that there is.. How do you assess it how many oxygen rih planets have we examined for crying out loud> and... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-283 | [6:41:00] lo and behold here are these things which are obviously designed to be seen. I mean mushrooms are form of display theyre designed to be seen they demand to be eaten. And uh the consequences that that you know to lead a species to the brink of darer… well thats just a coincidence or is there a mind behind all ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-284 | Audience:
Yes then I insist on getting to the plan…
Audience:
TM:… No, halma… and harmaline by uh no by flattery and shwaretz and
[6:43:30] its published by m the university of california press neary string studies division publication number 23.
Yeah … well what i thought we should talk about this morning as we s... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-285 | Peyote is you know we have this tremendous respect for it we imagine that its tremendously ancient and it apparently isnt. Uh
[6:46:00]there is no archaeological evidence of peyote uyse in the aerly earth and 500 years ago. Its almost a phenomenon of the conquest. What you find in the old graves in the peyote cultural... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-286 | [6:48:00]
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Transcribed by Simon Shaw
[6:36:00] this small liquid planet on which we find ourselves and the other direction uh s.. Forget it. Its the husk of a seed and it is utterly meaningless in the cosmic drama and the real destiny lies out there half way … … or some other exoitc port of cal... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-287 | [6:38:00] accident for us because it could well mean that there is a uh an earth like planet at an incredibly short distance away from us in terms of the cosmic neighbourhood in fact probably within the next years … will be created but if there is a water heavy oxygen rich world out there its going to show up .well the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-288 | [6:40:30]of these binoclura bipedal evolving primates i mean is this just a story of nature's happiest accidents? Or did someone say you know te weht planet start hte retraction of the rainforests seize the spores into the grasslands and watch what happens. Uh because then we come down out of the trees brainless as the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-289 | [6:42:30]that's very efficient for poor yielding gold ore. So this guys idea was that some day UFOs would appear over every major city on earth and they would just load up all the plutonim and fissionable material and take it away and say thank you very much uh this mining operation is now completed you people cn go ba... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-290 | [6:44:30] is this is the old world and this is the new. Immediately you know this t… in the new world than the old. This is one of the great of evolution… because nobody can offer a reasonable explanation as to why there should be nearly 3 times as many hallucinogenic plants int he new world as in the old i mean other ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-291 | [6:47:00] not only a visionary hallucinogen but an aphrodisiac as well no evidence of any use before 1850. And yet in an area where the portugese had been trading for the past 500 years and writing cultural descriptions and interviewing hte people if its was there it would have been mentioned. So this is a puzzle uh yo... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-292 | is [6:48:00] as you all know the northwest coast Indians, the Kwakiutl, Tsimshian- um, yeah Kwakiutl, Tsimshian and Tlingit have an extraordinary evolved Shamanism and where the people who develop that x-ray style of art. Well their cultural area has the densest number of psilocybin mushrooms of any place in the world.... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-293 | It's about magic which is about power and control and usually uh, sexuality in some invasive and Dominator application. I've taken to Tora a number of times and it's been interesting but it feels watery and dark dangerous to me. There was a period when I lived in Nepal when I became aware that these sadhus, not content... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-294 | they were like Victorian ghosts. You know, they were like women in shredded dam- shredded damask gowns or something, would fly into my window carrying newspaper sheets in their outstretched arms and they would let these sheets of newspaper flutter down onto my lap and I would like begin to read and I would begin, and I... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-295 | down and I remember thinking I'm certainly glad there's nobody else here because this is the kind of thing just designed to drive a sitter into a conniption fit of alarm. And you know about, about six times over the next hour and a half I went into these convulsive spasms, and then on another night these English people... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-296 | saw that he was actually having sex with this girl that we knew from Katmandu and it had a slight emotional tinge for me because I had actually had my eye on her although I never said anything about it to anybody so uh, so then uh, the next morning I mentioned this and he said that yes it had been his impression as wel... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-297 | decided that's too fucked up, you know, to not know whether you're entertaining someone in the confines of your apartment or buying vegetables in the confines of the market means that you've become too disengaged [6:54:00] from the modalities- | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-298 | Transcribed by Eva Petakovic | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-299 | [6:54:00] from the modalities of the real. And, of course, it creates tremendous drying, and uhm it’s a- it’s a- its- its- a uhm, deliriant, is what the literature calls it. It’s deliriant. Ahh.. but the, you know, I think that people all over the world utilize, uhm, plants for bizarre experiences. Time and time again ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-300 | of this stuff. And uhm, it’s made from the resin of virola trees, the inner bark of the virola sheds a red resin. And uhm, we eventually in 1981, my brother and I and Wade Davis, the guy who wrote the “The Serpent and the Rainbow”, we all launched an expedition of the Rio Yaguas Yacu. [6:55:30] And where there was this... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-301 | the story? And he said “Yeah, it takes getting used to doesn’t it?” [audience laughs] And uhm, so then I.. And then when you look at it, when you look at this oo-koo-he chemically you see well yes there’s dmt in there and there’s 5 mao dmt in there, but then when you do the gastronaimgram [6:56:30] you see that marchin... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-302 | world. Because so many people have tried to hang so much on it. And ya know, it’s a horrible experience most of the time. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-303 | Audience: [inaudible]
TM: Yeah yeah, occasionally you’ll meet someone who says “Well you’re just wrong. It’s wonderful. [6:57:30] I’ve taken it for years; I love it. And I, ya know, don’t know. First of all it’s genetically variable, it’s geographically variable, it’s uhm, uhm, seasonally variable. And it fluctuates a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-304 | Audience: [inaudible]
TM: No that’s what they always say. They say “Have you drunk your urine recently?” I got a letter last week... No, i understand. But if- Do you all understand the basis of the question? Why does urine [6:58:30] come into it? Because, uhm, in Siberia they have discovered, where this amanita thing ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-305 | they’ll tell you that it has to do with Saint Nicholas and it got started in the 11th century and it’s a-, but when you look at the Santa Claus story it’s a perfect, uhm, mythologym to analyze from this point of view because look what’s going on with Santa Claus. First of all Santa Claus’ colors are red and white, the ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-306 | the DMT thing saying “Look at this! Look at this!” Well those were off duty elves, clearly. So here are all the motifs and I believe that for children in our culture that all the christer stuff is not what christmas [7:01:30] is about. Christmas is about standing in front of the tree on christmas morning with the gifts... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-307 | of central Mexico and related areas. And there you have a number of things overlapping. You have [7:02:30], uhm, the- a- a mushroom area of multiple species where, unlike the [quaquatal?] shim-sham [flingut?] language area, in this central mexican langua- uhm, area they absolutely did use and discover these mushrooms. ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-308 | ipomoea purpurea and- and related hybrids. Are you all familiar with these? This is a psychedelic plant that you can grow yourself and take. Don’t buy the packages of seeds and take them because, uhm, a benevolent government has made sure that they are soaked in horrendous poison so that you can’t [7:03:30] get loaded ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-309 | the strongest plant hallucinogen in the world is, uhm, hawaiian baby woodrose. And yet there is no record of any culture ever utilizing that. It, uhm- there are thirteen species of argyreia. It’s called [7:04:30] hawaiian baby woodrose but it has nothing to do with Hawaii, it’s native to India. There are thirteen speci... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-310 | plant you. And twelve seeds will fit on a tablespoon. So this is nothing to start choking down in large amounts. Yea. [7:05:30] | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-311 | Audience: [Inaudible]
TM: Yes and could be extracted in a fairly simple fil- filtration system. Yea, good point. Yea.
Audience: [My question is are they dry? Do you grind them up?]
TM: You- Well they are dry. They’re little crescent shape dry things. Yea grind them in a braun grinder and, uhm, uhm…
Audience: Do you... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-312 | Audience: [Inaudible][7:07:00]
TM: “Uuuuummm… it’s a close relative, it’s active not in the microgram range, but in the milligram range and there are several active compounds… Eurite... I think Chenoklavine is the psychoactive… and Erganovine… all these occur there.”
Audience: “And do you grind those and swallow them... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-313 | Audience: [Inaudible]
TM: “Well, maybe the caption got mislabeled or something because the way they do it where [7:08:30] I’ve seen it is they take the little seeds and they grind them on a matate into a powder, then they put it in water… as you sssssaid… and then, and they shake it, ss… uh..and leave it, and come bac... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-314 | Audience: [Inaudible]
TM: “No, it’s the… it’s one species of morning glory turbina, previously called revea, coryembosa. [7:10:00] The other one...uh… the morning glory that you have to take uh.. a couple of hundred seeds for is used in that area as a hallucinogen, but it’s also used to induce labour and has a whole r... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-315 | Audience: [Inaudible]
TM: “No, that’s the Hawaiian Woodrose and it has no history of human usage, [7:10:30] so you’re on your own. This is… it’s worth talking about maybe for a minute… that… er, y’know there are… hallucinogens are like hotel rooms, some are occupied and some are not, and it’s always interesting to fid... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-316 | Transcribed by Aurelio Lyra
TM.: … a new drug, without a thousand years of input. My impression of where you go on ketamine is like visiting a new office building. That nobody has rented offices yet, i mean all the water coolers work, and there are these recessional distances with fluorescent lighting, but, there are ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-317 | Audience Question: Can’t you tell from the spore print
TM:’ No, you can’t tell from the spore print, but you can tell from the macro-morphology of it, if you know mushrooms. They’re easy to tell apart.
Audience Question: [inaudible]
TM,: You see that’s tricky unless you’re someone who really knows their stuff.
Audi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-318 | TM;: Yeah that sounds right. Pet Ether is a good one. So is Chloroform. Have any of you read The Road to Eleusis. That’s about the Eleusinian Mysteries, and argues, its by Wasson and Hoffman and Ruck, and argues that the mystery at Eleusis was a kind of ergotized beer. That they were gathering ergot off Paspalum and ma... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-319 | TM: The emetic is Estracutarone. If you’re not a chemist and used to dealing with high molecular weight solvents that you should do some kind of water, you know, dissolve it in water and then try and separate out the fractions. This would be, i mean, a lot of work needs to be done. I think in the underground there are ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-320 | Audience: Um, what is the plant that grows in the South West that has harmeline in it?
TM: Pegamum Harmala, the girant syrian rue. Its original (07:19:00) range is from Marocco to Manchuria, but at some time in the nineteenth century it was brought into this country as a range fodder for, for goats. I mean its pretty ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-321 | Audience: What´s your assessment of... inaudible
TM: Well, not to rain on anybody´s parade.. Andrija Puharich is a very mercurial person, is that what we want to say. (07:20:30) Recall that he was the guy who pushed Uri Geller for a long time. And they were forever tromping into the Negev and coming out with blank cas... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-322 | That could happen here.. So that´s Andrija Puharich. Ah.. He´s been around for a long time, so you have to, these people are such eccentrics, I mean you have to (07:21:00) just respect people´s persistence and survival power. (Audience laughter) Eh, but I think you know his scholarship, and his notions, the rules of ev... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-323 | ah, had a scholars grasp of Arameic and Akkadian, and was fully licenced (07:22:00) to be one of the people who tell us what the primary documents of Christianity really mean. The problem was, when Allegro got a hold of them, he said, well, what they really mean is that a sacramental mushroom was gr.., being grown in c... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-324 | There is a lot of question.., there is a peculiar opaqueness about the early history of Christianity. I mean, if we are to try and take it seriously and understand what happened there, then it must be, that, first of all, if we believe that Christ was a real person, then he must have been born in 6 B.C. Because there w... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-325 | Transcribed by Aina Mumbi
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Women know whose children are who’s because they see the child come out of their body, and they nurse the child. But men do not in that situation have their children. My children. What they have are our children, the tribal group. And uh, this boundary dissolving thing. Let's d... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-326 | That this was the social consequence of accepting psilocybin into the diet. The ego is a structure that forms in the psyche like a calcareous tumor, or growth, if you do not have regular recourse to the cure. And the cure is, uh, psilocybin and the boundary dissolving sexual and social style which is carried in its wak... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-327 | For example, starting with me, and that's part of the paradox you're supposed to enjoy.. (audience laughter). You know, the ambiguity of me preaching the loss of ego. (audience laughs). So, essentially, you know, what happened was, chemically, a chemically driven leap in evolution as a consequence of the suppression of... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-328 | it would be spectacular enough if it were the liver of an otter, or the (both laughter) hha, ha the pancreas of an elephant. But notice it is the organ that created the theory of evolution itself. And all other theories, so that we're getting a little chronological here folks. (background laughter) There's something fi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-329 | Transcribed by Christy Redden
[07:30:00]
TM: Hans Jonas is a brilliant—his book, “Chri-”, uh ... “Gnosticism: The Message of The Alien God to Infant Christianity”—if that’s not a title to die for ... Ahem. [audience laughter] Huh?
Audience: [inaudible question]
TM: Oh, “The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the New T... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-330 | Audience: They talk about seeding the planet.
TM: Yeah! Well, these are persistent themes, you know. I mean all of Gnosticism is the perception that we don't belong here. That we are creatures of another realm, Beings of Light, who because of some horrible cosmic mistake have been trapped in the world of matter; and t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-331 | Audience: I know people who can’t even say it: Yah—Wha-!
TM: Yeah, wha…!? Well, you’re not even supposed to say it, if you’re Orthodox.
Audience: [light laughter]
TM: G—dash—D. Yeah?
Audience: You said Yahweh. I'm fascinated by the Rastafarian [inaudible, cough] by which the abbreviation of Yah, [07:33:00] or … the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-332 | Audience: [laughter]
Audience: Gnosticism is alive and well in the hallways of academia, I mean. You got guys like Marvin [inaudible: Lins-key] [07:34:00] and Hans [inaudible: Bor-betch] who ran an [inaudible] into his brain and into the computer and you know so he can become pure information. So that’s about the leas... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-333 | TM: No, I agree. There are two sentiments loose in the world, and you’re going to NOT get through this life without taking sides. You know? Do you believe that our destiny is in another dimension made of light on the other side of the Universe, or do you believe that we should, uhh, you know, clean up the rainforests a... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-334 | Transcribed by Nathan Johansen
[07:36:00]
TM: Kay? Eeee! I mean, [clears throat] he-yeah . Ah-ha-hem! [audience laughter] Eh! And the planet rang for a million years, you know, and it was, and but if it hadn’t been for that, there would be no flowering plants, no triumph of the mammals, no Whitney Houston ... no … [l... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-335 | TM: Well, but … eh, suppose: you know, there’s all this tumult in our psyche about the great change that’s supposed to happen, and where are we supposed [07:36:30] to put our political energies, and what are we supposed to be doing? Well, it would be pretty ironic if we, you know, beat ourselves over the head and saved... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-336 | to locate where the threat is coming from and act accordingly. There are no points for good intentions in the game of evolution. So mind and .. and we have to decide, you know, what does life want? Is it that life at it’s most [07:37:30] basic level senses the finite, uhh, duration of the star’s life? And so it wants t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-337 | Audience: How can you do both?
TM: How can you do both?
Audience: What says The Mushroom? Well, no. I mean, some people can use [cough; inaudible].
TM: Well, what the mushroom says is it’s .. it’s a total “Apocalyptarian” [07:38:30]. I mean, it says: “Rouse your camels, pack your tents, we’re moving out! This has be... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-338 | TM: So, [laughter] it could be, you know? [laughter] Everybody’s got their own, uhh, agenda. Well, why don’t we break ... yeah? [07:40:00] Or question? Last question.
Audience: Speaking of the [inaudible; “cosmological expanse”?], are you aware of the present Miles’ work?
TM: Uhh, on the steady-state or something?
A... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-339 | TM: Yeah, well I think that the next revolution in biology is so obvious that you can be totally radical and completely confident you’re on safe ground and say the next great revolution in biology is the realization that space is not a barrier to life, and that, eh, technology is only one method for traversing [07:41:0... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-340 | Audience: [inaudible] Isn’t it ice covered?
TM: Ah, Europa [07:42:00] is covered with ice, but underneath the ice is water, and there are — uhh, fractures, uhh — and uhh, you know, the uhh — the exotic chemistries and pressures and temperatures of the Jovian environment could produce life. We don’t know, uhh — what th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-341 | Audience: [inaudible]
TM: Uhh, the—the (ehh) it’s—okay the notion here is—I’ve always felt that the psychedelic experience should be good for something. It arose—uhh, [audience laughter]—in a very practical sense, and I always felt that there was something that wanted, that you should be able to learn that was very ha... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-342 | Audience: [a soft murmur, but mostly silence]
TM: This is something that your Guru — a little saying or something — that your Guru gives you that if you can figure it out then you move on to the next stage. Well, so the Koan (sips from drink) that I was presented with had to do with the I-Ching, which I was not that p... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-343 | TM: Basically, as you know but let me review it, the I-Ching is a Chinese System of Divination that uses 64 structures called hexagrams, and hexagrams are made of broken [07:46:00] and unbroken lines stacked one above another, and they are uhh, the sum set—sum total—of the possible set of such structures is 64. And it’... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-344 | Audience: [inaudible]
TM: Okay. Why is this so “half-acid” (ordinarily: half-assed) as they say ... [laughter]. Uhh.
[07:48:00]
Transcribed by Nathan Johansen
[07:48:00]
TM: So, here’s the first hexagram. It’s called the Creative. And it’s made of six lines. This is no news to anybody, I hope. Here’s the second he... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-345 | TM: The second rule is: if inverting the first hexagram causes no change, then all lines change. Very straight forward, right? But now, umm, the problem—the Koan—has changed. And the question is: What are the ordering—what rules order the 32 pairs? [07:50:00] And this was much trickier. Much trickier. And after awhile ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-346 | TM: Someone didn’t want Fives to show up in the first order of difference. Okay… so then I, uhh, looked at these values, and what I discovered was: When you … inside the pairs—when you [07:51:30] invert one to get the other—the first order of difference is always an even number. So within the pairs you have no freedom,... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-347 | TM: Okay. [continues to adjust something on the TimeWave graph]
TM: So, I thought, how weird that all this structure is in there … and I’d read all of Wilhelm’s Commentaries, and Lama Govinda, and these people, and uhh, it didn’t seem that they had noticed this kind of stuff. So I was very excited. I thought that I wa... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-348 | TM: [7:54:00]...it doesn't look like you're on the track of any kind of order here, except that, i noticed a really funny thing, about this. What i noticed was, that this section and this section, are mirror images of each other. So imagine for a moment that you have a copy of this, right here. What you're then able to... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-349 | So i just thought that i was uncovering some kind of, like (ahh), you know, the equivalent of Chinese kabbalism some kind of lost intellectual system and (ahh), and, but the voice said to me, it said, this is a picture of time [7:55:30] and i couldn't understand what exactly was meant by that, it seemed to me a fairly ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-350 | lines or so called yáo of the I Ching. Now 384 is 19 days longer than the solar year length, so if you have a calendar [7:56:30] of 384 days it would precess against (ahh), the equinoxes 19 days every year. So it doesn't seem a good candidate for a calendar if you're trying to keep solar dynamics central. But i discove... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-351 | meant each line, in a super hexagram made by multiplying this number will be associated with one sunspot cycle and the trigrams inside the hexagram will be associated with the major sunspot cycle. When you take 67 years 104.25 days, again by 64, you get [7:58:00] 4306 years, plus some days. This number, is very close t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-352 | Oh and i forgot to say about 384 days, this was central excuse me. (ahh) That this is 13 [8:59:00] lunations. A lunation is 25, is 29. something days and when you multiply that number by 13 you get 383.89. So i said, ah ah! What this thing is, is that keeps track of the moon on this level, it keeps track of the sunspot... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-353 | Transcribed by Tiago Ramos | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-354 | [08:00:00] The prompting voice said “this structure which you have created” by the way some of you who are scholars of the I Ching remember in the uhm second half of the Wilhelm and Baynes translation there are whole bunch of VERY ancient sayings that nobody knows what they’re talking about they’re so esoteric. And the... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-355 | we possess it is a piece of broken machinery. [08:01:00] It’s a though you have you know, the main gear out of a machine and you’re trying by.. [pause] archaeological reconstruction to re-build that machine. So.. [pause] I was sort of stuck at this point and the prompting voice turned on and said “this structure which ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-356 | Audience: Can I ask for you’re [inaudible]
TMK: Oh yeah.
Audience: Can I get the [inaudible] across the room.
TMK: What.. what color?
Audience: Yeah well uh..
TMK: Yellow?
Audience: [Inaudible]
TMK: Yellow?
Audience: [Inaudible] | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-357 | TMK: Lemme see.. [pause] Ahh. Ok so if we treat this module as the bottom of a hierarchy then we want to treat it like a line. So what do you do with lines [08:02:30] in I Ching land? You p.. stack six of them on top of each other. So I’m gonna symbolise this thing with an “S”. Ok. So here’s what I did. I made.. I took... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-358 | six two-larger ones which were [08:03:30] superimposed over three? So then I said “S’alright?”. It said “Yes, except you forgot one thing. A hexagram has an identity as a whole. As a hexagram”. Said “Ok..” [scribbles] “Good?”. It said “Yes. Good. Now, what are you going to DO with it?”. And I’ll show this to you. Uhm..... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-359 | laughs]. And they said, you know “we’re very concerned. Apparently.. [audience giggling] you didn’t get better even though you claimed you got better. And now, you know, you run around, showing this thing to people.. And notice.. It.. oh it ha.. Everything is in closure up here, and then everything attains closure down... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-360 | And I s.. sat with it for.. two years. I.. cause it just seemed.. I.. I am not a mathematician. I had NO clue as to how to do that. And finally one afternoon.. Uh.. the pot was good enough, or the stars moved into position or something. | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-361 | [08:06:00] (end of this transcription segment)
Transcribed by Nick Whiu
TM: [8:06:00]...and in a single instant i saw how to carry out the mathematical reduction of this wave and i did it.
Audience: [inaudible]
TM: Oh, on this?
Audience: Yeah, it looked that way from here.
TM: Oh well if you look at it closely yo... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-362 | Audience: Each one of those points is a summation of these factors?
TM: Yeah right, uh uh. So, then (ahh), [8:07:30] and then i started saying to people, this is a map of time. [audience laughs] And they said, is it? [Terence laughs] Well, where are we? [Terence laughs] And i said, well (ahh), hum, (ahh), we, (ahh), h... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-363 | Audience: Novelty is...[inaudible]?
TM: Novelty is (ahh), [8:09:00] a density of connection, as opposed you know, complexity can be quantified then you say complexity ebbs and flows. Mean if we have a device which measured complexity and we measured this point right here, as opposed to this point an inch behind my fin... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-364 | TM: Well (ahh), to this point we haven't discussed this thing scaled against calendrical time we just kind of look at it as a mathematical object. Then what i realized was, if these are part, if-if [8:11:00] this thing has 384 points in it, and this has, six. Then the, what the thing was telling me was, you have to map... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-365 | TM: [8:12:00]...was, they were saying, now let's get this straight. You want to revise modern physics, based on a pattern which you found in an ancient Chinese book of divination is that correct? [audience laughs] And i-i could feel the force of that criticism but that's how i think, you know, where somebody from some ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-366 | look like wind, and sand dunes are made, by wind. So now let's analyze the situation, let's think of wind as input and let's think of sand grains as bits inside a computer. So when the wind blows the program [8:13:30] runs and the bits rearrange themselves and they arrange themselves into a lower dimensional slice of w... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-367 | of sand dunes or waves of beach detritus [8:14:30] in the real world? And it said, human beings! Genes, not grains of sand. Genes are moved by time and we as hyper dimensional objects, we human beings and other animals, we bear the impression of the forces that created us and if novelty truly does Adam flow, the way wi... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-368 | long? Centuries maybe. And they said, you now, in the organism there is the ebb and flow of variables | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-369 | and then they ask questions like, how many variables are there are there an infinite number? And they began to create notation system for these variables and finally they came to the conclusion, no, there are not an infinite number [8:16:00] there are 64 of these temporal variables. And think of them as elements, in th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-370 | Audience: [inaudible]
TM: What?
Audience: That, that position where, where they all come together...[inaudible]...I look at that, always look at this symbol, the I Ching symbol as the guiding symbol of this plane and reality...[inaudible]...So your thoughts about the exact...[inaudible]...time and body time. Is that ... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-371 | Audience : It’s a wavefront.
Terence : It’s a wavefront, and it’s an interference pattern. Yes, it’s a, it’s a, it’s a, uh a kind of hologram, uh.. and a set of resonances and interference patterns that are created when these waves moving at many levels expression, superimpose and collide with each other. [8:18:30] An... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-372 | Terence : That’s right… That’s right.. Well no, you’ve got the whole concept correct except you don’t need [8:20:00] an infinite number because look what happens… If you start with 384 days and you start multiplying upward by 64, remember I said the first one was 67 years, we only have to carry out about six of these t... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-373 | nd
2012, although the machine will accept any end date. And the idea that you should be asking yourself is.. you know, “this clown [8:22:00] claims that this thing describes the ebb and flow of novelty, but does it in fact fit my intuition of the ebb and flow of novelty?” Now, here’s the good news: the next part of th... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
d55f86f30464-374 | Audience: [two people talking, inaudible questions about the end date]
Terence: Ah, the end date! Uh.. It.. I got it by fitting historical data to the wave and seeing.. I had certain intuitions.. I mean, for instance, I said “Well, if I have a wave which describes historical novelty, by God it better do well on the It... | https://www.asktmk.com//talks/Search+For+The+Original+Tree+Of+Knowledge |
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