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And that actually was, I think, the thing that saved us during that time. | customer: So we were 100 million. And, um, at that point in time, we really could sort of hunker down or we could really, you know, go for it, 'cause we saw a lot of opportunity. We saw a lot... We saw real estate was sort of depressed. Um, we saw that the workforce, there was... You know, getting a job was not as easy... | 3,896.616 | 3,902.296 | agent | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
When you say saved you- | agent: The other thing that we did in '08 when the crisis was coming was we really were aggressive with our inventory. Someone once told us inventory, um, is like fruit. It doesn't get better with age. And so we liquidated a lot of our inventory to, like, the TJ Maxxes and Filenes.
customer: Mm-hmm.
agent: And that act... | 3,902.296 | 3,904.116 | customer | eng | tr | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And- | customer: Mm-hmm.
agent: And that actually was, I think, the thing that saved us during that time.
customer: When you say saved you- | 3,904.116 | 3,904.256 | agent | eng | de | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Meaning what? | agent: And that actually was, I think, the thing that saved us during that time.
customer: When you say saved you-
agent: And- | 3,904.256 | 3,904.516 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Because everybody, you know, was losing their job. I mean, you remember that time. It was a very, very tough time, and, and people weren't buying cashmere sweaters. They were shopping in their closets instead of in a store. And so we got ahead of that. At, at the time we had a, uh... We did have a line of credit with a... | customer: When you say saved you-
agent: And-
customer: Meaning what? | 3,904.516 | 3,942.696 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Y- Th- there was definitely, uh, that concern. Um, but we also learned that, is, is that better than, you know, getting stuck with this stuff and potentially having a slippery slope? So you use that tool. You don't lean on that tool, but it, it's there when needed. | agent: And-
customer: Meaning what?
agent: Because everybody, you know, was losing their job. I mean, you remember that time. It was a very, very tough time, and, and people weren't buying cashmere sweaters. They were shopping in their closets instead of in a store. And so we got ahead of that. At, at the time we had a... | 3,942.696 | 3,961.616 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
All right. So you guys get through that period, and you continue to grow because you've got, you know, I think by tw- 2011, you had thir- uh, 13 stores, also mainly, or all, I think, entirely on the East Coast of the US. What do you remember about, I don't know, wanting to be a nat- more of a national brand? | customer: Meaning what?
agent: Because everybody, you know, was losing their job. I mean, you remember that time. It was a very, very tough time, and, and people weren't buying cashmere sweaters. They were shopping in their closets instead of in a store. And so we got ahead of that. At, at the time we had a, uh... We d... | 3,961.616 | 3,981.276 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
One of the things we were reminded of by our customers is that people liked that it... we're from New England, that we're authentic, and that going to our store felt like you were going to a yacht club or, or, you know, going to something that you might not have in your local community. So when we opened in Memphis or ... | agent: Because everybody, you know, was losing their job. I mean, you remember that time. It was a very, very tough time, and, and people weren't buying cashmere sweaters. They were shopping in their closets instead of in a store. And so we got ahead of that. At, at the time we had a, uh... We did have a line of credit... | 3,982.556 | 4,024.656 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Tell me about financing. I mean, you guys had not brought in any... I, I, I guess maybe you had some friends and family who, who put a little bit of money in, but- | customer: Y- Th- there was definitely, uh, that concern. Um, but we also learned that, is, is that better than, you know, getting stuck with this stuff and potentially having a slippery slope? So you use that tool. You don't lean on that tool, but it, it's there when needed.
agent: All right. So you guys get through th... | 4,025.632 | 4,035.291 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
No | agent: All right. So you guys get through that period, and you continue to grow because you've got, you know, I think by tw- 2011, you had thir- uh, 13 stores, also mainly, or all, I think, entirely on the East Coast of the US. What do you remember about, I don't know, wanting to be a nat- more of a national brand?
cus... | 4,035.292 | 4,035.502 | customer | eng | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||||
... from what I gather, you didn't. No. It was all self-funded. | customer: One of the things we were reminded of by our customers is that people liked that it... we're from New England, that we're authentic, and that going to our store felt like you were going to a yacht club or, or, you know, going to something that you might not have in your local community. So when we opened in M... | 4,035.502 | 4,038.812 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
It's all self-funded, and we have a line of credit with a syndicate of banks. | agent: Tell me about financing. I mean, you guys had not brought in any... I, I, I guess maybe you had some friends and family who, who put a little bit of money in, but-
customer: No
agent: ... from what I gather, you didn't. No. It was all self-funded. | 4,038.812 | 4,045.432 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And you never thought, "Hey, let's go find, you know, venture c-capital and really, like, blitz scale this thing." Did you ever start to have those conversations, the two of you? | customer: No
agent: ... from what I gather, you didn't. No. It was all self-funded.
customer: It's all self-funded, and we have a line of credit with a syndicate of banks. | 4,045.432 | 4,057.432 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We did, and we ran a process, and we ultimately decided not to do anything, and I think the reason was is because it was gonna change the dynamic of what's worked very, very well. We've just kept it a family-owned and operated brand since 1998. You know, one of the things about taking on investors, there, there's two t... | agent: ... from what I gather, you didn't. No. It was all self-funded.
customer: It's all self-funded, and we have a line of credit with a syndicate of banks.
agent: And you never thought, "Hey, let's go find, you know, venture c-capital and really, like, blitz scale this thing." Did you ever start to have those conver... | 4,057.432 | 4,170.372 | customer | eng | en | us | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah, I mean, basically, there... We, we... I'm sure many people know a brand like this, and then all of a sudden you just see their, them everywhere, all across the country, just opening up like, like gangbusters. And, uh, and it's really... it's not a reflection of the success of the brand. It's a reflection of the, ... | customer: It's all self-funded, and we have a line of credit with a syndicate of banks.
agent: And you never thought, "Hey, let's go find, you know, venture c-capital and really, like, blitz scale this thing." Did you ever start to have those conversations, the two of you?
customer: We did, and we ran a process, and we... | 4,170.372 | 4,199.071 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Totally, and you know- That is, that is exactly what I was saying. Yep. Right now, we definitely believe we've got opportunity for more stores, you know, in the States and beyond, but we also think, you know, in the short term, we've got a lot of opportunity within what we already have. Um, and when you have more thing... | agent: And you never thought, "Hey, let's go find, you know, venture c-capital and really, like, blitz scale this thing." Did you ever start to have those conversations, the two of you?
customer: We did, and we ran a process, and we ultimately decided not to do anything, and I think the reason was is because it was gon... | 4,199.072 | 4,228.752 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
You know, I, I know that in 2022, the two of you stepped back and brought on a CEO, and you guys became sort of... stepped into more creative roles, which, I mean, makes sense. You've been working on this thing for 25 years, um, but that didn't last long. You, you did return as co-CEOs. What did you learn from that? | customer: We did, and we ran a process, and we ultimately decided not to do anything, and I think the reason was is because it was gonna change the dynamic of what's worked very, very well. We've just kept it a family-owned and operated brand since 1998. You know, one of the things about taking on investors, there, the... | 4,228.752 | 4,250.212 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
You know, it's... in any organization, it's very hard to have somebody come from the outside to lead and be successful. The success rate is not, you know, high. But I think w- there was a disconnect. We're not a fashion brand. We're, we're a brand brand, and so there's a big difference between fashion culture and brand... | agent: Yeah, I mean, basically, there... We, we... I'm sure many people know a brand like this, and then all of a sudden you just see their, them everywhere, all across the country, just opening up like, like gangbusters. And, uh, and it's really... it's not a reflection of the success of the brand. It's a reflection o... | 4,250.212 | 4,311.472 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. | customer: Totally, and you know- That is, that is exactly what I was saying. Yep. Right now, we definitely believe we've got opportunity for more stores, you know, in the States and beyond, but we also think, you know, in the short term, we've got a lot of opportunity within what we already have. Um, and when you have ... | 4,312.572 | 4,313.531 | agent | eng | id | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And, and, you know, we didn't touch on it too much, but, you know, our logo is a smiling pink whale. You know, our, our brand is fun. It makes people's lives better. They come to us for the best moments in their life, and to be a part of that, um, is something that, you know, I, I don't think we can put a value on that... | agent: You know, I, I know that in 2022, the two of you stepped back and brought on a CEO, and you guys became sort of... stepped into more creative roles, which, I mean, makes sense. You've been working on this thing for 25 years, um, but that didn't last long. You, you did return as co-CEOs. What did you learn from t... | 4,313.532 | 4,332.952 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Uh, it's a question I, I ask our guests at the end, which is if you think about all... the journey you took and, you know, starting these ties and, uh, this little tie business and selling them on Martha's Vineyard and where you are today, you know, 140 stores and, and a well-known brand, how much of, of where you got ... | customer: You know, it's... in any organization, it's very hard to have somebody come from the outside to lead and be successful. The success rate is not, you know, high. But I think w- there was a disconnect. We're not a fashion brand. We're, we're a brand brand, and so there's a big difference between fashion culture... | 4,334.212 | 4,358.552 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
There is no doubt that we've worked our asses off, and there's no doubt that that hard work has presented opportunities and along with that, some luck. | agent: Yeah.
customer: And, and, you know, we didn't touch on it too much, but, you know, our logo is a smiling pink whale. You know, our, our brand is fun. It makes people's lives better. They come to us for the best moments in their life, and to be a part of that, um, is something that, you know, I, I don't think we ... | 4,358.552 | 4,372.432 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Ian? | customer: And, and, you know, we didn't touch on it too much, but, you know, our logo is a smiling pink whale. You know, our, our brand is fun. It makes people's lives better. They come to us for the best moments in their life, and to be a part of that, um, is something that, you know, I, I don't think we can put a val... | 4,373.592 | 4,373.772 | agent | eng | id | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
You know, I would say being a part of a team, which is sort of what I would put the brand at, gave me the courage in a lot of instances to do things I wouldn't do on my own. You know, to go up to somebody and make a sales pitch, to go introduce myself to somebody, to put myself out there, the, the brand has given me th... | agent: Uh, it's a question I, I ask our guests at the end, which is if you think about all... the journey you took and, you know, starting these ties and, uh, this little tie business and selling them on Martha's Vineyard and where you are today, you know, 140 stores and, and a well-known brand, how much of, of where y... | 4,375.532 | 4,401.708 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | being a part of a team... gave me the courage in a lot of instances to do things I wouldn't do on my own | medium | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
Hmm. | customer: There is no doubt that we've worked our asses off, and there's no doubt that that hard work has presented opportunities and along with that, some luck.
agent: Ian?
customer: You know, I would say being a part of a team, which is sort of what I would put the brand at, gave me the courage in a lot of instances ... | 4,401.708 | 4,402.927 | agent | eng | sv | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And one of the things that as we, we talk about the future, and we, we started this talking about traveling with our mom and dad, and the experiences that they afforded us. It's hard not to think about what it might be like to be one of my kids or one of Shep's kids, and to know that basically any time you get in the c... | agent: Ian?
customer: You know, I would say being a part of a team, which is sort of what I would put the brand at, gave me the courage in a lot of instances to do things I wouldn't do on my own. You know, to go up to somebody and make a sales pitch, to go introduce myself to somebody, to put myself out there, the, the... | 4,402.928 | 4,467.568 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | my wife, the same thing. They're learning. They don't even realize it, but like, they know so much, and they, they've been patient and supportive | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
That's Ian and Shep Murray, co-founders and co-CEOs of Vineyard Vines. By the way, Vineyard Vines is still very much a family business, with the next generation of Murrays starting to get into the act. Four of Shep and Ian's adult children now work at the company, and some of the younger kids even came up with a new de... | customer: You know, I would say being a part of a team, which is sort of what I would put the brand at, gave me the courage in a lot of instances to do things I wouldn't do on my own. You know, to go up to somebody and make a sales pitch, to go introduce myself to somebody, to put myself out there, the, the brand has g... | 4,467.568 | 4,532.148 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
This message is brought to you by Apple Card. For a limited time, when you get a new Apple Card and purchase AirPods Pro 3 at Apple, you can earn back the cost, up to 250 Daily Cash. New AirPods Pro and up to $250 bonus Daily Cash back? Now that's music to my ears. Subject to credit approval. Limitations and spend requ... | 0.22 | 161.78 | agent | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||||
[upbeat music] Walmart came to us, and li- the buyer liked our product. And you know one of the most significant dangers is when a buyer loves you because sometimes you're not ready, and you couldn't say no to Walmart. And we, we didn't have salespeople or systems to check if our product was selling through. And one of... | agent: This message is brought to you by Apple Card. For a limited time, when you get a new Apple Card and purchase AirPods Pro 3 at Apple, you can earn back the cost, up to 250 Daily Cash. New AirPods Pro and up to $250 bonus Daily Cash back? Now that's music to my ears. Subject to credit approval. Limitations and spe... | 163.98 | 198.62 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
It means it's not good. [laughs] | agent: This message is brought to you by Apple Card. For a limited time, when you get a new Apple Card and purchase AirPods Pro 3 at Apple, you can earn back the cost, up to 250 Daily Cash. New AirPods Pro and up to $250 bonus Daily Cash back? Now that's music to my ears. Subject to credit approval. Limitations and spe... | 198.62 | 200.22 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
No. No, that's what I thought. If you're selling zero, it could be that it's really not good, but it could also mean that the product didn't even make it to the shelves. | agent: This message is brought to you by Apple Card. For a limited time, when you get a new Apple Card and purchase AirPods Pro 3 at Apple, you can earn back the cost, up to 250 Daily Cash. New AirPods Pro and up to $250 bonus Daily Cash back? Now that's music to my ears. Subject to credit approval. Limitations and spe... | 200.22 | 209.82 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
[upbeat music] Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Raz, and on the show today, how Daniel Lubetzky tried to bring peace to the Middle East and ended up building a $5 billion snack empire with KIND bars. Starting a busin... | customer: [upbeat music] Walmart came to us, and li- the buyer liked our product. And you know one of the most significant dangers is when a buyer loves you because sometimes you're not ready, and you couldn't say no to Walmart. And we, we didn't have salespeople or systems to check if our product was selling through. ... | 215.94 | 413.874 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
He was born in Riga, Latvia, raised in Lithuania, and when he was nine years old, the World War II broke out. He ended up in a concentration camp, and after surviving, he was for six months in a refugee camp and then ended up in, in Mexico. | agent: It means it's not good. [laughs]
customer: No. No, that's what I thought. If you're selling zero, it could be that it's really not good, but it could also mean that the product didn't even make it to the shelves.
agent: [upbeat music] Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists... | 413.874 | 433.944 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So he was in a concentration camp as a child, as a teenager? | customer: No. No, that's what I thought. If you're selling zero, it could be that it's really not good, but it could also mean that the product didn't even make it to the shelves.
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Yeah, he was a very rare guy because only 1% of kids his age survived, and he was a tall kid, so when he was registered in the Dachau concentration camp, he was 12 and a half years old. But the documents say that he was 15 and a half because my grandfather lied and convinced the guards to let him work for, uh, it was a... | agent: [upbeat music] Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Raz, and on the show today, how Daniel Lubetzky tried to bring peace to the Middle East and ended up building a $5 billion snack empire with KIND bars. Starting ... | 438.664 | 475.644 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And so both of them survived? | customer: He was born in Riga, Latvia, raised in Lithuania, and when he was nine years old, the World War II broke out. He ended up in a concentration camp, and after surviving, he was for six months in a refugee camp and then ended up in, in Mexico.
agent: So he was in a concentration camp as a child, as a teenager?
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Them and my Uncle Larry, who was his older brother, was with him also. | agent: So he was in a concentration camp as a child, as a teenager?
customer: Yeah, he was a very rare guy because only 1% of kids his age survived, and he was a tall kid, so when he was registered in the Dachau concentration camp, he was 12 and a half years old. But the documents say that he was 15 and a half because ... | 477.564 | 482.084 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wow. I have to imagine, you... I mean, did your dad talk about it? 'Cause there were s- there, there are many people who survived the camps that didn't talk... Today, the remaining survivors do talk about it 'cause they're encouraged to do so, but there are very few left. When you were a boy, did he talk about it? | customer: Yeah, he was a very rare guy because only 1% of kids his age survived, and he was a tall kid, so when he was registered in the Dachau concentration camp, he was 12 and a half years old. But the documents say that he was 15 and a half because my grandfather lied and convinced the guards to let him work for, uh... | 482.084 | 499.504 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
He did, and Guy, you're correct. There were a number of survivors in our community in Mexico City, and they were predominantly two types. One were the people that shut it out. They could not talk about it because it's too consuming and painful. And then there was the others who were so consumed that they were embittere... | agent: And so both of them survived?
customer: Them and my Uncle Larry, who was his older brother, was with him also.
agent: Wow. I have to imagine, you... I mean, did your dad talk about it? 'Cause there were s- there, there are many people who survived the camps that didn't talk... Today, the remaining survivors do t... | 499.504 | 554.924 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | my dad was very rare in that he talked about it, and when he talked about it, it consumed him, but then he lived his life with kindness | medium | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
Hmm | customer: Them and my Uncle Larry, who was his older brother, was with him also.
agent: Wow. I have to imagine, you... I mean, did your dad talk about it? 'Cause there were s- there, there are many people who survived the camps that didn't talk... Today, the remaining survivors do talk about it 'cause they're encourage... | 554.924 | 555.034 | agent | eng | da | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... how kind he was to them. Like, everywhere you go, people still talk about him, and you look back, and it really did, uh, shape almost all of my decisions. | agent: Wow. I have to imagine, you... I mean, did your dad talk about it? 'Cause there were s- there, there are many people who survived the camps that didn't talk... Today, the remaining survivors do talk about it 'cause they're encouraged to do so, but there are very few left. When you were a boy, did he talk about i... | 555.034 | 564.804 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | how kind he was to them ... it really did, uh, shape almost all of my decisions | medium | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
Hmm. So your father comes to Mexico as a 17, 16-year-old kid probably by the time, yeah, after a couple years- | customer: He did, and Guy, you're correct. There were a number of survivors in our community in Mexico City, and they were predominantly two types. One were the people that shut it out. They could not talk about it because it's too consuming and painful. And then there was the others who were so consumed that they were... | 564.804 | 573.664 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
17 | agent: Hmm
customer: ... how kind he was to them. Like, everywhere you go, people still talk about him, and you look back, and it really did, uh, shape almost all of my decisions.
agent: Hmm. So your father comes to Mexico as a 17, 16-year-old kid probably by the time, yeah, after a couple years- | 573.664 | 574.173 | customer | eng | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||||
... in Europe, and presumably doesn't speak Spanish and had no e- had, had no education for the previous seven years during the war, I'm assuming, and, um, what did he do? What'd he tell you he did when he got there? | customer: ... how kind he was to them. Like, everywhere you go, people still talk about him, and you look back, and it really did, uh, shape almost all of my decisions.
agent: Hmm. So your father comes to Mexico as a 17, 16-year-old kid probably by the time, yeah, after a couple years-
customer: 17 | 574.173 | 589.264 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
The way he educates himself is by watching movies and l- reading the subtitles and then by borrowing or being gifted used encyclopedias and devouring them, reading them cover to cover, volume A, volume B, volume C. We- After working two and three shifts in a factory, he eventually garnered enough money with my grandfat... | agent: Hmm. So your father comes to Mexico as a 17, 16-year-old kid probably by the time, yeah, after a couple years-
customer: 17
agent: ... in Europe, and presumably doesn't speak Spanish and had no e- had, had no education for the previous seven years during the war, I'm assuming, and, um, what did he do? What'd he ... | 589.264 | 613.744 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | with my grandfather to start a little jewelry shop | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
In Mexico City | customer: 17
agent: ... in Europe, and presumably doesn't speak Spanish and had no e- had, had no education for the previous seven years during the war, I'm assuming, and, um, what did he do? What'd he tell you he did when he got there?
customer: The way he educates himself is by watching movies and l- reading the subt... | 613.744 | 614.574 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... in Mexico City. And then almost like a, [laughs] like a bad Jewish joke, five Holocaust survivors joined forces to build a, a business on the border between Mexico and the United States where they sold duty-free wares. For example, my dad was in charge of watches. | agent: ... in Europe, and presumably doesn't speak Spanish and had no e- had, had no education for the previous seven years during the war, I'm assuming, and, um, what did he do? What'd he tell you he did when he got there?
customer: The way he educates himself is by watching movies and l- reading the subtitles and the... | 614.574 | 630.924 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Hmm. | customer: The way he educates himself is by watching movies and l- reading the subtitles and then by borrowing or being gifted used encyclopedias and devouring them, reading them cover to cover, volume A, volume B, volume C. We- After working two and three shifts in a factory, he eventually garnered enough money with m... | 630.924 | 631.064 | agent | eng | sv | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
One of his partners was in charge of wine and liquors. The other one was in charge of cosmetics. The other one, electronics, was very big. | agent: In Mexico City
customer: ... in Mexico City. And then almost like a, [laughs] like a bad Jewish joke, five Holocaust survivors joined forces to build a, a business on the border between Mexico and the United States where they sold duty-free wares. For example, my dad was in charge of watches.
agent: Hmm. | 631.064 | 637.964 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Okay. You're born in 1968, and you spend the first 12, 13 years of your life, maybe longer, in Mexico, and we'll get to you moving to the US, but what was life like for you? What do you remember about being a kid in Mexico City in the '70s and, you know, and, and early '80s? | customer: ... in Mexico City. And then almost like a, [laughs] like a bad Jewish joke, five Holocaust survivors joined forces to build a, a business on the border between Mexico and the United States where they sold duty-free wares. For example, my dad was in charge of watches.
agent: Hmm.
customer: One of his partners... | 637.964 | 658.464 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I was raised in an immigrant community where there's, like, a little bit of a bubble of a lot of, uh, Jewish survivors and immigrants in Mexico, and in my school they taught you Yiddish and Spanish. | agent: Hmm.
customer: One of his partners was in charge of wine and liquors. The other one was in charge of cosmetics. The other one, electronics, was very big.
agent: Okay. You're born in 1968, and you spend the first 12, 13 years of your life, maybe longer, in Mexico, and we'll get to you moving to the US, but what w... | 658.464 | 669.924 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wow, 'cause Yiddish is not spoken by anyone, very few people. | customer: One of his partners was in charge of wine and liquors. The other one was in charge of cosmetics. The other one, electronics, was very big.
agent: Okay. You're born in 1968, and you spend the first 12, 13 years of your life, maybe longer, in Mexico, and we'll get to you moving to the US, but what was life like... | 669.924 | 672.484 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
It's not, [laughs] not anymore. | agent: Okay. You're born in 1968, and you spend the first 12, 13 years of your life, maybe longer, in Mexico, and we'll get to you moving to the US, but what was life like for you? What do you remember about being a kid in Mexico City in the '70s and, you know, and, and early '80s?
customer: I was raised in an immigran... | 672.484 | 674.033 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. | customer: I was raised in an immigrant community where there's, like, a little bit of a bubble of a lot of, uh, Jewish survivors and immigrants in Mexico, and in my school they taught you Yiddish and Spanish.
agent: Wow, 'cause Yiddish is not spoken by anyone, very few people.
customer: It's not, [laughs] not anymore. | 674.033 | 674.064 | agent | eng | id | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
But back then we were living a little bit of a bubble or a cocoon, and we're very proud of being in Mexico and being Mexicans, but we're also very proud of our heritage, and, like, all sorts of funny things. Like, my grandmother would make... You know how people make fun of the most disgusting thing in the world? I'm s... | agent: Wow, 'cause Yiddish is not spoken by anyone, very few people.
customer: It's not, [laughs] not anymore.
agent: Yeah. | 674.064 | 697.524 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Mm-hmm | customer: It's not, [laughs] not anymore.
agent: Yeah.
customer: But back then we were living a little bit of a bubble or a cocoon, and we're very proud of being in Mexico and being Mexicans, but we're also very proud of our heritage, and, like, all sorts of funny things. Like, my grandmother would make... You know how... | 697.524 | 697.924 | agent | eng | de | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... cold and just horrible? We had a Mexicanized version of that called gefilte fish a la Veracruzana, so we would meld this red warm sauce with a lot of spice and made the gefilte fish warm and taste good. [laughs] So we did a bunch of combinations between our Mexican and Jewish cultures. | agent: Yeah.
customer: But back then we were living a little bit of a bubble or a cocoon, and we're very proud of being in Mexico and being Mexicans, but we're also very proud of our heritage, and, like, all sorts of funny things. Like, my grandmother would make... You know how people make fun of the most disgusting th... | 697.924 | 716.544 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And in the '70s, I mean, this was a l- I, I guess a little bit of a, I would, I don't want to say unstable time in Mexico, but I mean, there were, you know, in the '60s for sure there was a lot of upheaval. There were student demonstrations and I think stories of students who were actually fired upon, right, in the '60... | customer: But back then we were living a little bit of a bubble or a cocoon, and we're very proud of being in Mexico and being Mexicans, but we're also very proud of our heritage, and, like, all sorts of funny things. Like, my grandmother would make... You know how people make fun of the most disgusting thing in the wo... | 716.544 | 745.032 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
It never crossed my mind that I was unsafe. | agent: Mm-hmm
customer: ... cold and just horrible? We had a Mexicanized version of that called gefilte fish a la Veracruzana, so we would meld this red warm sauce with a lot of spice and made the gefilte fish warm and taste good. [laughs] So we did a bunch of combinations between our Mexican and Jewish cultures.
agent... | 745.032 | 748.552 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. | customer: ... cold and just horrible? We had a Mexicanized version of that called gefilte fish a la Veracruzana, so we would meld this red warm sauce with a lot of spice and made the gefilte fish warm and taste good. [laughs] So we did a bunch of combinations between our Mexican and Jewish cultures.
agent: And in the '... | 748.552 | 749.032 | agent | eng | id | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
As a kid, I probably was a little bit naive, but it felt amazing. And yes, there was a, a lot of horrible periods of instability, including the 1960s that you're describing about when a lot of university students were slaughtered. But when I grew up, I was not fully aware of that. | agent: And in the '70s, I mean, this was a l- I, I guess a little bit of a, I would, I don't want to say unstable time in Mexico, but I mean, there were, you know, in the '60s for sure there was a lot of upheaval. There were student demonstrations and I think stories of students who were actually fired upon, right, in ... | 749.032 | 766.292 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Hmm. | customer: It never crossed my mind that I was unsafe.
agent: Yeah.
customer: As a kid, I probably was a little bit naive, but it felt amazing. And yes, there was a, a lot of horrible periods of instability, including the 1960s that you're describing about when a lot of university students were slaughtered. But when I g... | 766.292 | 766.892 | agent | eng | sv | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And around 1984, there was a earthquake- | agent: Yeah.
customer: As a kid, I probably was a little bit naive, but it felt amazing. And yes, there was a, a lot of horrible periods of instability, including the 1960s that you're describing about when a lot of university students were slaughtered. But when I grew up, I was not fully aware of that.
agent: Hmm. | 766.892 | 772.592 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I think it was '85, if I remember correctly. The big one. | customer: As a kid, I probably was a little bit naive, but it felt amazing. And yes, there was a, a lot of horrible periods of instability, including the 1960s that you're describing about when a lot of university students were slaughtered. But when I grew up, I was not fully aware of that.
agent: Hmm.
customer: And ar... | 772.592 | 775.872 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Maybe it was an earthquake in '85, but there, there was also one earlier, 'cause I remember one building fell- | agent: Hmm.
customer: And around 1984, there was a earthquake-
agent: I think it was '85, if I remember correctly. The big one. | 775.872 | 781.492 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Hmm | customer: And around 1984, there was a earthquake-
agent: I think it was '85, if I remember correctly. The big one.
customer: Maybe it was an earthquake in '85, but there, there was also one earlier, 'cause I remember one building fell- | 781.492 | 781.972 | agent | eng | da | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... and they started blaming the Jews for- | agent: I think it was '85, if I remember correctly. The big one.
customer: Maybe it was an earthquake in '85, but there, there was also one earlier, 'cause I remember one building fell-
agent: Hmm | 781.972 | 785.092 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Hmm | customer: Maybe it was an earthquake in '85, but there, there was also one earlier, 'cause I remember one building fell-
agent: Hmm
customer: ... and they started blaming the Jews for- | 785.092 | 785.101 | agent | eng | da | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... the earthquake. And my dad was like, "I'm not taking a risk again. We're gonna move." | agent: Hmm
customer: ... and they started blaming the Jews for-
agent: Hmm | 785.101 | 789.992 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Huh. What do you mean? What did, what... How did they say that? | customer: ... and they started blaming the Jews for-
agent: Hmm
customer: ... the earthquake. And my dad was like, "I'm not taking a risk again. We're gonna move." | 789.992 | 792.912 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
The newspapers and people started saying that it was the Jews' fault. You know, you can't really fully explain antisemitism or all these, uh, things, so all I remember is that my father said, "My grandfather made a mistake to not take the warning signs. I'm not gonna take the risk." And so something that's very interes... | agent: Hmm
customer: ... the earthquake. And my dad was like, "I'm not taking a risk again. We're gonna move."
agent: Huh. What do you mean? What did, what... How did they say that? | 792.912 | 843.062 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | what my parents taught me | medium | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
Hmm | customer: ... the earthquake. And my dad was like, "I'm not taking a risk again. We're gonna move."
agent: Huh. What do you mean? What did, what... How did they say that?
customer: The newspapers and people started saying that it was the Jews' fault. You know, you can't really fully explain antisemitism or all these, u... | 843.062 | 843.062 | agent | eng | da | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... learning from his experience. | agent: Huh. What do you mean? What did, what... How did they say that?
customer: The newspapers and people started saying that it was the Jews' fault. You know, you can't really fully explain antisemitism or all these, uh, things, so all I remember is that my father said, "My grandfather made a mistake to not take the ... | 843.062 | 844.992 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
All right. So you guys move to the United States in the mid-'80s. You're a teenager. I'm assuming because your dad was part of this business, this sort of duty-free business on the US-Mexico border, he just continued to run that business. | customer: The newspapers and people started saying that it was the Jews' fault. You know, you can't really fully explain antisemitism or all these, uh, things, so all I remember is that my father said, "My grandfather made a mistake to not take the warning signs. I'm not gonna take the risk." And so something that's ve... | 844.992 | 857.731 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. Well, he and his partners, their headquarters were in Laredo, Texas, which was truly a border town. My parents wanted to be a little bit more, you know, in the cradle of civilization, so we moved to San Antonio, Texas. | agent: Hmm
customer: ... learning from his experience.
agent: All right. So you guys move to the United States in the mid-'80s. You're a teenager. I'm assuming because your dad was part of this business, this sort of duty-free business on the US-Mexico border, he just continued to run that business. | 857.732 | 870.332 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Is he traveling to Laredo a lot? Is he going back and forth? | customer: ... learning from his experience.
agent: All right. So you guys move to the United States in the mid-'80s. You're a teenager. I'm assuming because your dad was part of this business, this sort of duty-free business on the US-Mexico border, he just continued to run that business.
customer: Yeah. Well, he and h... | 870.332 | 873.752 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
He's traveling to Laredo a lot, and he's traveling all over the world because it's, uh, like, all of his clients are predominantly in Switzerland, 'cause he had the representa- the only duty-free representation in the world for, for these quality watches, and so that's why- | agent: All right. So you guys move to the United States in the mid-'80s. You're a teenager. I'm assuming because your dad was part of this business, this sort of duty-free business on the US-Mexico border, he just continued to run that business.
customer: Yeah. Well, he and his partners, their headquarters were in Lare... | 873.752 | 888.812 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wow, so he had, like, big-time watches. I mean, I mean, today, right, like, I don't even think some of those brands sell to third parties, right? Like, they only have their own boutiques. | customer: Yeah. Well, he and his partners, their headquarters were in Laredo, Texas, which was truly a border town. My parents wanted to be a little bit more, you know, in the cradle of civilization, so we moved to San Antonio, Texas.
agent: Is he traveling to Laredo a lot? Is he going back and forth?
customer: He's tr... | 888.812 | 897.992 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
They play a fascinating game. They control the inventory- | agent: Is he traveling to Laredo a lot? Is he going back and forth?
customer: He's traveling to Laredo a lot, and he's traveling all over the world because it's, uh, like, all of his clients are predominantly in Switzerland, 'cause he had the representa- the only duty-free representation in the world for, for these qua... | 897.992 | 901.212 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yes | customer: He's traveling to Laredo a lot, and he's traveling all over the world because it's, uh, like, all of his clients are predominantly in Switzerland, 'cause he had the representa- the only duty-free representation in the world for, for these quality watches, and so that's why-
agent: Wow, so he had, like, big-ti... | 901.212 | 901.492 | agent | eng | tr | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... so there's more demand than there is ever supply and... But yeah, it's a very coveted thing to have a, a license to sell those watches. | agent: Wow, so he had, like, big-time watches. I mean, I mean, today, right, like, I don't even think some of those brands sell to third parties, right? Like, they only have their own boutiques.
customer: They play a fascinating game. They control the inventory-
agent: Yes | 901.492 | 909.062 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And I guess while you're in, uh, in high school, you also get into the watch business. Like, you, you start selling, uh, a certain particular brand of watches. What... Tell me about that. | customer: They play a fascinating game. They control the inventory-
agent: Yes
customer: ... so there's more demand than there is ever supply and... But yeah, it's a very coveted thing to have a, a license to sell those watches. | 909.062 | 919.592 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So I had a bunch of jobs. I, I had the right to be in the United States as I was lawfully a resident, but I didn't have the right to work for somebody else, so I had to create my own businesses. So I would go to flea markets and sell not just watches, like, but also singing cups that you'd lift the mug and it would sta... | agent: Yes
customer: ... so there's more demand than there is ever supply and... But yeah, it's a very coveted thing to have a, a license to sell those watches.
agent: And I guess while you're in, uh, in high school, you also get into the watch business. Like, you, you start selling, uh, a certain particular brand of w... | 919.592 | 979.032 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | And my dad helped me out. He connected me to a couple suppliers that would sell me some of these products | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
When you, um, when it's time for you to go to college, you stayed local. You went to Trinity University in San Antonio. And did you... I'm assuming you continued to sell watches, or, I mean, was that sort of your main... Did that become, like, your main source of income? | customer: ... so there's more demand than there is ever supply and... But yeah, it's a very coveted thing to have a, a license to sell those watches.
agent: And I guess while you're in, uh, in high school, you also get into the watch business. Like, you, you start selling, uh, a certain particular brand of watches. Wha... | 979.032 | 993.452 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yes, it was a very good business. The most fun business was that I was a magician, and I studied one year abroad, and I helped pay f- for my studies by traveling and doing shows in the streets of Paris and the streets of all over Europe. | agent: And I guess while you're in, uh, in high school, you also get into the watch business. Like, you, you start selling, uh, a certain particular brand of watches. What... Tell me about that.
customer: So I had a bunch of jobs. I, I had the right to be in the United States as I was lawfully a resident, but I didn't ... | 993.452 | 1,005.732 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Like, card tricks, or what kind of tricks? | customer: So I had a bunch of jobs. I, I had the right to be in the United States as I was lawfully a resident, but I didn't have the right to work for somebody else, so I had to create my own businesses. So I would go to flea markets and sell not just watches, like, but also singing cups that you'd lift the mug and it... | 1,005.732 | 1,007.752 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Mentalism, card tricks, sliding a sword through a woman's body, a- anything you could imagine. | agent: When you, um, when it's time for you to go to college, you stayed local. You went to Trinity University in San Antonio. And did you... I'm assuming you continued to sell watches, or, I mean, was that sort of your main... Did that become, like, your main source of income?
customer: Yes, it was a very good busines... | 1,007.752 | 1,012.852 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
How did you learn how to do that? | customer: Yes, it was a very good business. The most fun business was that I was a magician, and I studied one year abroad, and I helped pay f- for my studies by traveling and doing shows in the streets of Paris and the streets of all over Europe.
agent: Like, card tricks, or what kind of tricks?
customer: Mentalism, c... | 1,012.852 | 1,014.692 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I started from my dad. As a Holocaust survivor who was nine years old when the war started, he didn't have a childhood, so he lived his childhood through our childhood. Like, he- | agent: Like, card tricks, or what kind of tricks?
customer: Mentalism, card tricks, sliding a sword through a woman's body, a- anything you could imagine.
agent: How did you learn how to do that? | 1,014.692 | 1,024.692 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah | customer: Mentalism, card tricks, sliding a sword through a woman's body, a- anything you could imagine.
agent: How did you learn how to do that?
customer: I started from my dad. As a Holocaust survivor who was nine years old when the war started, he didn't have a childhood, so he lived his childhood through our childh... | 1,024.692 | 1,024.942 | agent | eng | tr | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... he loved magic, so we would go to magic conventions. But yes, when I was in college, I had a network of, um, students that would sell watches. | agent: How did you learn how to do that?
customer: I started from my dad. As a Holocaust survivor who was nine years old when the war started, he didn't have a childhood, so he lived his childhood through our childhood. Like, he-
agent: Yeah | 1,024.942 | 1,035.472 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wow. | customer: I started from my dad. As a Holocaust survivor who was nine years old when the war started, he didn't have a childhood, so he lived his childhood through our childhood. Like, he-
agent: Yeah
customer: ... he loved magic, so we would go to magic conventions. But yes, when I was in college, I had a network of, ... | 1,035.472 | 1,035.992 | agent | eng | pl | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We also had a couple booths in shopping malls. It was, uh, fun but challenging. | agent: Yeah
customer: ... he loved magic, so we would go to magic conventions. But yes, when I was in college, I had a network of, um, students that would sell watches.
agent: Wow. | 1,035.992 | 1,041.872 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Were you in, uh, intending to be like your dad, go into business and be an entrepreneur? Or... 'Cause this is the late '80s when you go to university, and there was a time where people didn't think about starting businesses. Like, they'd go to law school or medical school or be a consultant. Like, when you were an unde... | customer: ... he loved magic, so we would go to magic conventions. But yes, when I was in college, I had a network of, um, students that would sell watches.
agent: Wow.
customer: We also had a couple booths in shopping malls. It was, uh, fun but challenging. | 1,041.872 | 1,062.812 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
My hope was to become partners with my father. I wanted to start a business with my dad, and my dad wanted me to do something with my life, quote-unquote. For him, who had been deprived of an education, and him and my mom, they wanted me to get a graduate degree. So I applied to Stanford Law School. I got in, and when ... | agent: Wow.
customer: We also had a couple booths in shopping malls. It was, uh, fun but challenging.
agent: Were you in, uh, intending to be like your dad, go into business and be an entrepreneur? Or... 'Cause this is the late '80s when you go to university, and there was a time where people didn't think about startin... | 1,062.812 | 1,099.412 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | My hope was to become partners with my father. ... my dad wanted me to do something with my life | medium | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
How did that... I mean, obviously you grew up in a Jewish home, father's a Holocaust survivor, but how did you... Even when you were in college, this was your sort of obsession? | customer: We also had a couple booths in shopping malls. It was, uh, fun but challenging.
agent: Were you in, uh, intending to be like your dad, go into business and be an entrepreneur? Or... 'Cause this is the late '80s when you go to university, and there was a time where people didn't think about starting businesses... | 1,099.412 | 1,108.372 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yes. And I started r- learning more about this conflict, and I started thinking. Once I went to law school, I thought I was gonna become a diplomat, and then that idea of building bridges between people kept being around in the back of my mind, and I ended up writing a legislative proposal in law school for how to turn... | agent: Were you in, uh, intending to be like your dad, go into business and be an entrepreneur? Or... 'Cause this is the late '80s when you go to university, and there was a time where people didn't think about starting businesses. Like, they'd go to law school or medical school or be a consultant. Like, when you were ... | 1,108.84 | 1,130.1 | customer | eng | en | us | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
You, uh... I don't think you ever really practiced law, right? You briefly worked for a law firm, but you- | customer: My hope was to become partners with my father. I wanted to start a business with my dad, and my dad wanted me to do something with my life, quote-unquote. For him, who had been deprived of an education, and him and my mom, they wanted me to get a graduate degree. So I applied to Stanford Law School. I got in,... | 1,130.1 | 1,135.499 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I practiced for a couple months. I passed the bar. I worked at Sullivan & Cromwell, and I- that's when the Oslo process happened. | agent: How did that... I mean, obviously you grew up in a Jewish home, father's a Holocaust survivor, but how did you... Even when you were in college, this was your sort of obsession?
customer: Yes. And I started r- learning more about this conflict, and I started thinking. Once I went to law school, I thought I was g... | 1,135.5 | 1,142.9 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
This is 1993. This is when the famous Rose Garden, Bill Clinton, Yasser Arafat, Yitzhak Rabin, that handshake that was, uh... It's hard to imagine today, [laughs] how- | customer: Yes. And I started r- learning more about this conflict, and I started thinking. Once I went to law school, I thought I was gonna become a diplomat, and then that idea of building bridges between people kept being around in the back of my mind, and I ended up writing a legislative proposal in law school for h... | 1,142.9 | 1,153.56 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct |
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