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And a Chinese gentleman came and said, "I'd like to buy your product." And we told the gentleman, "Thank you, sir, but we're not ready to go into China." | agent: 2024, okay. And, um, you know, [laughs] it's just an amazing outcome, and I, I can't imagine that you e- even hesitated, right? Because w- I, I imagine from your perspective, the things you could do with billions of dollars were, you know, much bigger than what you could do without it.
customer: Yeah, but I hesi... | 3,921.756 | 3,930.936 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Into the Chinese market, right. | customer: Yeah, but I hesitated a ton till the very last minute. What drove us to start on this journey was the fear that we were gonna lose control of our brand internationally. We were at a trade show in, at the Natural Products Expo in Anaheim.
agent: Mm-hmm.
customer: And a Chinese gentleman came and said, "I'd lik... | 3,930.936 | 3,932.316 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
"We're not ready to start selling in China." And he said, "Well, I already sell your product in China." I said, "Okay." I assume he buys a few, uh, suitcases worth of product, takes it and sells it. I was like, "Thank you, sir." He was like, "No, no, no, let me explain it to you." And he... Apparently, there's somethin... | agent: Mm-hmm.
customer: And a Chinese gentleman came and said, "I'd like to buy your product." And we told the gentleman, "Thank you, sir, but we're not ready to go into China."
agent: Into the Chinese market, right. | 3,932.316 | 4,015.096 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Mm | customer: And a Chinese gentleman came and said, "I'd like to buy your product." And we told the gentleman, "Thank you, sir, but we're not ready to go into China."
agent: Into the Chinese market, right.
customer: "We're not ready to start selling in China." And he said, "Well, I already sell your product in China." I s... | 4,015.096 | 4,015.516 | agent | eng | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||||
... it's very hard to give up your baby and... But obviously it's not my baby anymore, and you need to- | agent: Into the Chinese market, right.
customer: "We're not ready to start selling in China." And he said, "Well, I already sell your product in China." I said, "Okay." I assume he buys a few, uh, suitcases worth of product, takes it and sells it. I was like, "Thank you, sir." He was like, "No, no, no, let me explain i... | 4,015.516 | 4,020.836 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah | customer: "We're not ready to start selling in China." And he said, "Well, I already sell your product in China." I said, "Okay." I assume he buys a few, uh, suitcases worth of product, takes it and sells it. I was like, "Thank you, sir." He was like, "No, no, no, let me explain it to you." And he... Apparently, there'... | 4,020.836 | 4,020.906 | agent | eng | tr | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... acknowledge that, and it's, it's very hard. | agent: Mm
customer: ... it's very hard to give up your baby and... But obviously it's not my baby anymore, and you need to-
agent: Yeah | 4,020.906 | 4,022.936 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
You are a... I mean, you're completely out of the company, right? I mean, maybe even divested from, entirely divested from. | customer: ... it's very hard to give up your baby and... But obviously it's not my baby anymore, and you need to-
agent: Yeah
customer: ... acknowledge that, and it's, it's very hard. | 4,023.976 | 4,030.316 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I sold 100% of my financial stake as of December 2024, and the relationship is predominantly very informal. I think I consult with them three times a year. But I'm... Emotionally, I'm really, really incentivized for them to win because it's my reputation, too. | agent: Yeah
customer: ... acknowledge that, and it's, it's very hard.
agent: You are a... I mean, you're completely out of the company, right? I mean, maybe even divested from, entirely divested from. | 4,030.316 | 4,050.736 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. You know, I wanna, I wanna just kinda shift for a moment because, you know, KIND is certainly what you will be known for, right? That's gonna be on your, maybe not on your gravestone, but, I mean, [laughs] you know, one day we all die. When you die, that's probably gonna be in the first paragraph, KIND Bars. But ... | customer: ... acknowledge that, and it's, it's very hard.
agent: You are a... I mean, you're completely out of the company, right? I mean, maybe even divested from, entirely divested from.
customer: I sold 100% of my financial stake as of December 2024, and the relationship is predominantly very informal. I think I con... | 4,050.736 | 4,099.244 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
[sighs] First of all, everything you said is, to some degree, correct. It's also the case that out of the greatest darkness comes light, and it's not just a poetic thing, it's a reality, right? When there's so much hate and despair, people realize that that's not gonna get us, lead us anywhere. That's when people get m... | agent: You are a... I mean, you're completely out of the company, right? I mean, maybe even divested from, entirely divested from.
customer: I sold 100% of my financial stake as of December 2024, and the relationship is predominantly very informal. I think I consult with them three times a year. But I'm... Emotionally,... | 4,100.944 | 4,177.224 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I mean, here you are now, right? You are probably getting close to 60, I think, right? | customer: I sold 100% of my financial stake as of December 2024, and the relationship is predominantly very informal. I think I consult with them three times a year. But I'm... Emotionally, I'm really, really incentivized for them to win because it's my reputation, too.
agent: Yeah. You know, I wanna, I wanna just kind... | 4,178.344 | 4,184.424 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
57, yeah. | agent: Yeah. You know, I wanna, I wanna just kinda shift for a moment because, you know, KIND is certainly what you will be known for, right? That's gonna be on your, maybe not on your gravestone, but, I mean, [laughs] you know, one day we all die. When you die, that's probably gonna be in the first paragraph, KIND Bar... | 4,184.424 | 4,185.544 | customer | eng | id | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Which means you're, you know, you've got a lot of life ahead of you, and I know you're on Shark Tank now, and you've got, uh, you invest, and you're doing other things, but how much of the rest of your life do you imagine you're gonna try and commit to this project of trying to see if you can make a contribution to bri... | customer: [sighs] First of all, everything you said is, to some degree, correct. It's also the case that out of the greatest darkness comes light, and it's not just a poetic thing, it's a reality, right? When there's so much hate and despair, people realize that that's not gonna get us, lead us anywhere. That's when pe... | 4,185.544 | 4,213.904 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
[inhales] Um, you said earlier that if I die, would I, the story of KIND would be at the top of my power for whatever. I hope that what I build with builders globally will be my primary contribution. | agent: I mean, here you are now, right? You are probably getting close to 60, I think, right?
customer: 57, yeah.
agent: Which means you're, you know, you've got a lot of life ahead of you, and I know you're on Shark Tank now, and you've got, uh, you invest, and you're doing other things, but how much of the rest of yo... | 4,213.904 | 4,229.903 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
This is what you're working on now. | customer: 57, yeah.
agent: Which means you're, you know, you've got a lot of life ahead of you, and I know you're on Shark Tank now, and you've got, uh, you invest, and you're doing other things, but how much of the rest of your life do you imagine you're gonna try and commit to this project of trying to see if you can... | 4,229.904 | 4,231.524 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
What I'm working on now, which is not just in the Middle East, but globally, in the US, it's a big, big mission, so it is gonna take years, but we're making headway. We're, and, and I, I'm very confident that it'll be a greater contribution than, than KIND. | agent: Which means you're, you know, you've got a lot of life ahead of you, and I know you're on Shark Tank now, and you've got, uh, you invest, and you're doing other things, but how much of the rest of your life do you imagine you're gonna try and commit to this project of trying to see if you can make a contribution... | 4,231.524 | 4,245.024 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Um, Daniel, before I let you go, how much of, of the success of KIND do you attribute to the work and the grind you put in, and how much do you think had to do with just luck and timing, like the right product, the right time, the right place? What do you think? | customer: [inhales] Um, you said earlier that if I die, would I, the story of KIND would be at the top of my power for whatever. I hope that what I build with builders globally will be my primary contribution.
agent: This is what you're working on now.
customer: What I'm working on now, which is not just in the Middle ... | 4,246.804 | 4,260.234 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
It's both. It's very hard to separate them, but there's no question that luck played a gigantic role because if I were wrong, if it was predominantly me that was a genius, and all the other entrepreneurs that you interview, you'd have many more entrepreneurs that have built many multibillion-dollar companies. The fact ... | agent: This is what you're working on now.
customer: What I'm working on now, which is not just in the Middle East, but globally, in the US, it's a big, big mission, so it is gonna take years, but we're making headway. We're, and, and I, I'm very confident that it'll be a greater contribution than, than KIND.
agent: Um... | 4,260.234 | 4,302.964 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
That's Daniel Lubetzky, founder of KIND. By the way, in 2024, Daniel joined Shark Tank as the first new regular investor added to the series in 10 years. In his time on the show, he's invested in everything from hand-woven hammocks to fitness equipment made out of fire hoses to a wearable hummingbird feeder. Hey, thank... | customer: What I'm working on now, which is not just in the Middle East, but globally, in the US, it's a big, big mission, so it is gonna take years, but we're making headway. We're, and, and I, I'm very confident that it'll be a greater contribution than, than KIND.
agent: Um, Daniel, before I let you go, how much of,... | 4,305.544 | 4,383.704 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
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Certainly, the dream was, let's be honest, we were promised robots. | agent: This message is brought to you by Apple Card. For a limited time, when you get a new Apple Card and purchase AirPods Pro 3 at Apple, you can earn back the cost, up to 250 Daily Cash. New AirPods Pro and up to $250 bonus Daily Cash back? Now, that's music to my ears. Subject to credit approval. Limitations and sp... | 168.9 | 177.019 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We, we humans were promised robots. | agent: This message is brought to you by Apple Card. For a limited time, when you get a new Apple Card and purchase AirPods Pro 3 at Apple, you can earn back the cost, up to 250 Daily Cash. New AirPods Pro and up to $250 bonus Daily Cash back? Now, that's music to my ears. Subject to credit approval. Limitations and sp... | 177.02 | 179.299 | agent | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yes. We were gonna build robots, and everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first day. | agent: This message is brought to you by Apple Card. For a limited time, when you get a new Apple Card and purchase AirPods Pro 3 at Apple, you can earn back the cost, up to 250 Daily Cash. New AirPods Pro and up to $250 bonus Daily Cash back? Now, that's music to my ears. Subject to credit approval. Limitations and sp... | 179.3 | 186.86 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wait, when you would meet people, they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?" | customer: Certainly, the dream was, let's be honest, we were promised robots.
agent: We, we humans were promised robots.
customer: Yes. We were gonna build robots, and everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first day. | 186.86 | 194.28 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
When are you gonna clean my floor? | agent: We, we humans were promised robots.
customer: Yes. We were gonna build robots, and everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first day.
agent: Wait, when you would meet people, they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?" | 194.28 | 195.6 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Raz, and on the show today, how Colin Angle set out to make robots part of our daily lives, and brought us one of the most iconic home helpers ever, the Roomba. If you think about it,... | customer: Yes. We were gonna build robots, and everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first day.
agent: Wait, when you would meet people, they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?"
customer: When are you gonna clean my floor? | 204.38 | 397.156 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
My mom would say, "Bring your milk in from the living room," and I would say, "Okay," and then I would embark on a two-day-long project to create a gantry crane to au- automatically- | agent: Wait, when you would meet people, they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?"
customer: When are you gonna clean my floor?
agent: Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Raz, and on... | 397.156 | 409.796 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
[laughs] | customer: When are you gonna clean my floor?
agent: Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Raz, and on the show today, how Colin Angle set out to make robots part of our daily lives, and brought us one of the most iconic h... | 409.796 | 410.996 | agent | eng | lv | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... lift, uh, that glass of milk and, and, um, carry it on cables into the kitchen and, and, uh, really shut down the house for a few days. | agent: Welcome to How I Built This, a show about innovators, entrepreneurs, idealists, and the stories behind the movements they built. I'm Guy Raz, and on the show today, how Colin Angle set out to make robots part of our daily lives, and brought us one of the most iconic home helpers ever, the Roomba. If you think ab... | 410.996 | 418.216 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So you were really more of a, the kinda kid who would take things apart maybe, like, or go to RadioShack and solder things together? | customer: My mom would say, "Bring your milk in from the living room," and I would say, "Okay," and then I would embark on a two-day-long project to create a gantry crane to au- automatically-
agent: [laughs]
customer: ... lift, uh, that glass of milk and, and, um, carry it on cables into the kitchen and, and, uh, real... | 418.216 | 426.436 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So yes, but if you asked me, "Are you a jock or a nerd?" I would say, "Well, I'm a smart jock," 'cause I love sport, and I played, um, soccer. I was a wrestler. I played hockey. During the summers, I did canoeing, and so that I was a white water, uh, canoer and, and wilderness guide. So the physicality of, of my existe... | agent: [laughs]
customer: ... lift, uh, that glass of milk and, and, um, carry it on cables into the kitchen and, and, uh, really shut down the house for a few days.
agent: So you were really more of a, the kinda kid who would take things apart maybe, like, or go to RadioShack and solder things together? | 426.436 | 462.756 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And so, uh, it's not surprising to me that you, when you decided to go to college, you decided to major in electrical engineering. You went to, uh, MIT in t- in '80, 1985, and, uh, and that was your passion, electrical en- I mean, this, I imagine this is what you wanted to do with your life. | customer: ... lift, uh, that glass of milk and, and, um, carry it on cables into the kitchen and, and, uh, really shut down the house for a few days.
agent: So you were really more of a, the kinda kid who would take things apart maybe, like, or go to RadioShack and solder things together?
customer: So yes, but if you a... | 462.756 | 479.016 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I, you know, I went to MIT to major in whatever would let me build the coolest stuff. You know, one of the most am- amazing things, serendipitous things that happened to me in my career is that I was walking back from class one day between my junior and senior year, and the guy I was with was in my fraternity, Joel Kay... | agent: So you were really more of a, the kinda kid who would take things apart maybe, like, or go to RadioShack and solder things together?
customer: So yes, but if you asked me, "Are you a jock or a nerd?" I would say, "Well, I'm a smart jock," 'cause I love sport, and I played, um, soccer. I was a wrestler. I played ... | 479.016 | 538.816 | customer | eng | en | us | founder | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | UROP program | medium | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
Mm-hmm. | customer: So yes, but if you asked me, "Are you a jock or a nerd?" I would say, "Well, I'm a smart jock," 'cause I love sport, and I played, um, soccer. I was a wrestler. I played hockey. During the summers, I did canoeing, and so that I was a white water, uh, canoer and, and wilderness guide. So the physicality of, of... | 538.816 | 539.266 | agent | eng | vi | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And they said, "Well, what have you built? Just write it on the paper, and when you're done, hand it in." So I started writing, you know, gee, I built a gun out of Lego that could fire a piece of Lego track through plywood. You know, I built a canoe. An hour went by, and I was still writing things on this paper that I ... | agent: And so, uh, it's not surprising to me that you, when you decided to go to college, you decided to major in electrical engineering. You went to, uh, MIT in t- in '80, 1985, and, uh, and that was your passion, electrical en- I mean, this, I imagine this is what you wanted to do with your life.
customer: I, you kno... | 539.266 | 562.465 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Mm-hmm. | customer: I, you know, I went to MIT to major in whatever would let me build the coolest stuff. You know, one of the most am- amazing things, serendipitous things that happened to me in my career is that I was walking back from class one day between my junior and senior year, and the guy I was with was in my fraternity... | 562.465 | 562.536 | agent | eng | vi | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And I had this epiphany saying, "This might be the place for me," 'cause gee, I'm at MIT, and everyone is already done writing down the stuff that they have built, and I'm, I'm not done yet. And, uh, you know, I handed in my paper, and I got this job. | agent: Mm-hmm.
customer: And they said, "Well, what have you built? Just write it on the paper, and when you're done, hand it in." So I started writing, you know, gee, I built a gun out of Lego that could fire a piece of Lego track through plywood. You know, I built a canoe. An hour went by, and I was still writing thi... | 562.536 | 577.625 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | I'm at MIT | medium | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
And, and this lab was run by a guy named Rodney Brooks, who's, w- ma- many people who know anything, you know, something about robotics know he's sort of a, considered to be a pioneer in this field. | customer: And they said, "Well, what have you built? Just write it on the paper, and when you're done, hand it in." So I started writing, you know, gee, I built a gun out of Lego that could fire a piece of Lego track through plywood. You know, I built a canoe. An hour went by, and I was still writing things on this pap... | 577.625 | 588.176 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yes. | agent: Mm-hmm.
customer: And I had this epiphany saying, "This might be the place for me," 'cause gee, I'm at MIT, and everyone is already done writing down the stuff that they have built, and I'm, I'm not done yet. And, uh, you know, I handed in my paper, and I got this job.
agent: And, and this lab was run by a guy n... | 588.176 | 588.436 | customer | eng | fr | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And the job was to be, like, a researcher at this lab, or to, was it a paid job, or was it? | customer: And I had this epiphany saying, "This might be the place for me," 'cause gee, I'm at MIT, and everyone is already done writing down the stuff that they have built, and I'm, I'm not done yet. And, uh, you know, I handed in my paper, and I got this job.
agent: And, and this lab was run by a guy named Rodney Bro... | 588.436 | 595.496 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So w- it was, it was paid, and, you know, they had projects. For example, th- this Professor Rod Brooks said, "Okay, Colin, we've got this robot, Seymour. It has a 12-inch wide base. It could drive around the floor in the AI lab," and he said, "I want you to enable it to open doors." That was a pretty tall ask for an u... | agent: And, and this lab was run by a guy named Rodney Brooks, who's, w- ma- many people who know anything, you know, something about robotics know he's sort of a, considered to be a pioneer in this field.
customer: Yes.
agent: And the job was to be, like, a researcher at this lab, or to, was it a paid job, or was it? | 595.496 | 678.336 | customer | eng | en | us | founder | 0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Professor Rod Brooks said, "Okay, Colin, we've got this robot, Seymour. It has a 12-inch wide base. It could drive around the floor in the AI lab," | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | ||||||
And I know that, uh, at some point, at, at least you were involved in helping Rod build something called Genghis. And, and anyone who's been to the Smithsonian, I think it's on display there. It's, it was a, it's an insect li- like robot, uh, that can walk on six legs. | customer: Yes.
agent: And the job was to be, like, a researcher at this lab, or to, was it a paid job, or was it?
customer: So w- it was, it was paid, and, you know, they had projects. For example, th- this Professor Rod Brooks said, "Okay, Colin, we've got this robot, Seymour. It has a 12-inch wide base. It could driv... | 678.336 | 697.376 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. | agent: And the job was to be, like, a researcher at this lab, or to, was it a paid job, or was it?
customer: So w- it was, it was paid, and, you know, they had projects. For example, th- this Professor Rod Brooks said, "Okay, Colin, we've got this robot, Seymour. It has a 12-inch wide base. It could drive around the fl... | 697.376 | 697.976 | customer | eng | id | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Uh, and this was kind of a r- a revolutionary robot that was created at the time. | customer: So w- it was, it was paid, and, you know, they had projects. For example, th- this Professor Rod Brooks said, "Okay, Colin, we've got this robot, Seymour. It has a 12-inch wide base. It could drive around the floor in the AI lab," and he said, "I want you to enable it to open doors." That was a pretty tall as... | 697.976 | 704.056 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yes. So Rod ha- was interested in planetary exploration, and this little silly robot was able to successfully climb over r- very rugged terrain more successfully than robots that were using supercomputers and- The AI processor on this robot was an eight-bit microprocessor with 256 bytes of RAM. Not kilobytes, bytes of ... | agent: And I know that, uh, at some point, at, at least you were involved in helping Rod build something called Genghis. And, and anyone who's been to the Smithsonian, I think it's on display there. It's, it was a, it's an insect li- like robot, uh, that can walk on six legs.
customer: Yeah.
agent: Uh, and this was kin... | 704.056 | 737.604 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wow. | customer: Yeah.
agent: Uh, and this was kind of a r- a revolutionary robot that was created at the time.
customer: Yes. So Rod ha- was interested in planetary exploration, and this little silly robot was able to successfully climb over r- very rugged terrain more successfully than robots that were using supercomputers ... | 737.604 | 738.284 | agent | eng | pl | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So we decided we like working together. And, uh, so I was w- I was about a year and a half into the master's thesis. Rod said, he said, "Hey, Colin, I, I got something to ask you." I said, "Okay." And he's like, "Well, I'm thinking about starting a, a, a robot company based on behavior control," and I said, "Okay, I'm ... | agent: Uh, and this was kind of a r- a revolutionary robot that was created at the time.
customer: Yes. So Rod ha- was interested in planetary exploration, and this little silly robot was able to successfully climb over r- very rugged terrain more successfully than robots that were using supercomputers and- The AI proc... | 738.284 | 761.374 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
That was, that was easy? | customer: Yes. So Rod ha- was interested in planetary exploration, and this little silly robot was able to successfully climb over r- very rugged terrain more successfully than robots that were using supercomputers and- The AI processor on this robot was an eight-bit microprocessor with 256 bytes of RAM. Not kilobytes,... | 761.374 | 762.504 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
That was... I mean, yeah, it was, it w- I didn't- | agent: Wow.
customer: So we decided we like working together. And, uh, so I was w- I was about a year and a half into the master's thesis. Rod said, he said, "Hey, Colin, I, I got something to ask you." I said, "Okay." And he's like, "Well, I'm thinking about starting a, a, a robot company based on behavior control," a... | 762.504 | 764.484 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
He wanted you to run it a- or, or you volunteered to run it, or kind of both? | customer: So we decided we like working together. And, uh, so I was w- I was about a year and a half into the master's thesis. Rod said, he said, "Hey, Colin, I, I got something to ask you." I said, "Okay." And he's like, "Well, I'm thinking about starting a, a, a robot company based on behavior control," and I said, "... | 764.484 | 768.944 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
He was telling me about it 'cause I think he wanted to be involved. | agent: That was, that was easy?
customer: That was... I mean, yeah, it was, it w- I didn't-
agent: He wanted you to run it a- or, or you volunteered to run it, or kind of both? | 768.944 | 771.724 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
But he didn't probably have the time, right, 'cause he's also teaching classes and re, and, and publishing. I mean, he, he couldn't run a business as the CEO, presumably. | customer: That was... I mean, yeah, it was, it w- I didn't-
agent: He wanted you to run it a- or, or you volunteered to run it, or kind of both?
customer: He was telling me about it 'cause I think he wanted to be involved. | 771.724 | 782.204 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Right. | agent: He wanted you to run it a- or, or you volunteered to run it, or kind of both?
customer: He was telling me about it 'cause I think he wanted to be involved.
agent: But he didn't probably have the time, right, 'cause he's also teaching classes and re, and, and publishing. I mean, he, he couldn't run a business as ... | 782.204 | 782.744 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. All right, so, so this company that he, he wants to start would, w- would, of course, become iRobot, uh, and it was gonna be him and you and, and another student from MIT, Helen Greiner. Uh, and this is, uh, 1990, so you, you're, like, in your early 20s. | customer: He was telling me about it 'cause I think he wanted to be involved.
agent: But he didn't probably have the time, right, 'cause he's also teaching classes and re, and, and publishing. I mean, he, he couldn't run a business as the CEO, presumably.
customer: Right. | 782.744 | 800.264 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Mm-hmm. | agent: But he didn't probably have the time, right, 'cause he's also teaching classes and re, and, and publishing. I mean, he, he couldn't run a business as the CEO, presumably.
customer: Right.
agent: Yeah. All right, so, so this company that he, he wants to start would, w- would, of course, become iRobot, uh, and it ... | 800.264 | 800.544 | customer | eng | vi | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Uh, and, and so what was your sense of, of what this robotics company would be? | customer: Right.
agent: Yeah. All right, so, so this company that he, he wants to start would, w- would, of course, become iRobot, uh, and it was gonna be him and you and, and another student from MIT, Helen Greiner. Uh, and this is, uh, 1990, so you, you're, like, in your early 20s.
customer: Mm-hmm. | 800.544 | 806.444 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
There was no core application. There was a need at the time, uh, where people would say, "Hey, can you build us a robot like Genghis, uh, that we could go and program?" Because it takes a long time to build a robot. | agent: Yeah. All right, so, so this company that he, he wants to start would, w- would, of course, become iRobot, uh, and it was gonna be him and you and, and another student from MIT, Helen Greiner. Uh, and this is, uh, 1990, so you, you're, like, in your early 20s.
customer: Mm-hmm.
agent: Uh, and, and so what was yo... | 806.444 | 822.944 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Who would ask for that? | customer: Mm-hmm.
agent: Uh, and, and so what was your sense of, of what this robotics company would be?
customer: There was no core application. There was a need at the time, uh, where people would say, "Hey, can you build us a robot like Genghis, uh, that we could go and program?" Because it takes a long time to buil... | 822.944 | 824.304 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So Rod had a pretty good network. You know, it would be, like, Boeing or Mitsubishi. | agent: Uh, and, and so what was your sense of, of what this robotics company would be?
customer: There was no core application. There was a need at the time, uh, where people would say, "Hey, can you build us a robot like Genghis, uh, that we could go and program?" Because it takes a long time to build a robot.
agent: ... | 824.304 | 831.944 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So the, there was no business model in the sense that you didn't go out and raise money, right? I mean, it was sort of like, "Hey, uh, r- I'm c- I'm connected." Rod was like, "I'm connected, and let's, let's just do the research. Let's have our research funded by contracts from the government or from corporations who m... | customer: There was no core application. There was a need at the time, uh, where people would say, "Hey, can you build us a robot like Genghis, uh, that we could go and program?" Because it takes a long time to build a robot.
agent: Who would ask for that?
customer: So Rod had a pretty good network. You know, it would ... | 831.944 | 863.324 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yes. We did not take venture capital until year eight. | agent: Who would ask for that?
customer: So Rod had a pretty good network. You know, it would be, like, Boeing or Mitsubishi.
agent: So the, there was no business model in the sense that you didn't go out and raise money, right? I mean, it was sort of like, "Hey, uh, r- I'm c- I'm connected." Rod was like, "I'm connect... | 863.324 | 867.684 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Right. | customer: So Rod had a pretty good network. You know, it would be, like, Boeing or Mitsubishi.
agent: So the, there was no business model in the sense that you didn't go out and raise money, right? I mean, it was sort of like, "Hey, uh, r- I'm c- I'm connected." Rod was like, "I'm connected, and let's, let's just do th... | 867.684 | 868.044 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
So in the beginning, we had designed these robots, and Mitsubishi would say, "I want to buy, uh, a legged robot," and we would say, "Okay." | agent: So the, there was no business model in the sense that you didn't go out and raise money, right? I mean, it was sort of like, "Hey, uh, r- I'm c- I'm connected." Rod was like, "I'm connected, and let's, let's just do the research. Let's have our research funded by contracts from the government or from corporation... | 868.044 | 878.244 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
But what would they want to do with it? Just to see it? Just to have it? | customer: Yes. We did not take venture capital until year eight.
agent: Right.
customer: So in the beginning, we had designed these robots, and Mitsubishi would say, "I want to buy, uh, a legged robot," and we would say, "Okay." | 878.244 | 881.384 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
They wanted to do AI research but had no robot to do research on. | agent: Right.
customer: So in the beginning, we had designed these robots, and Mitsubishi would say, "I want to buy, uh, a legged robot," and we would say, "Okay."
agent: But what would they want to do with it? Just to see it? Just to have it? | 881.384 | 886.824 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
I see. | customer: So in the beginning, we had designed these robots, and Mitsubishi would say, "I want to buy, uh, a legged robot," and we would say, "Okay."
agent: But what would they want to do with it? Just to see it? Just to have it?
customer: They wanted to do AI research but had no robot to do research on. | 886.824 | 887.494 | agent | eng | af | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And we had a line of a wheeled robot, a tracked robot, and a legged robot that we would sell for between 5 and $10,000. We would get paid half of the money up front. We would use that money to go out and buy the parts. Uh, I had invented a way of building, uh, the robots. They were kind of origami robots. Uh, they were... | agent: But what would they want to do with it? Just to see it? Just to have it?
customer: They wanted to do AI research but had no robot to do research on.
agent: I see. | 887.494 | 912.864 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Okay. | customer: They wanted to do AI research but had no robot to do research on.
agent: I see.
customer: And we had a line of a wheeled robot, a tracked robot, and a legged robot that we would sell for between 5 and $10,000. We would get paid half of the money up front. We would use that money to go out and buy the parts. U... | 912.864 | 913.364 | agent | eng | tl | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Uh, it work- It was a really quite an ingenious early way of, of, of inexpensively building a machine. | agent: I see.
customer: And we had a line of a wheeled robot, a tracked robot, and a legged robot that we would sell for between 5 and $10,000. We would get paid half of the money up front. We would use that money to go out and buy the parts. Uh, I had invented a way of building, uh, the robots. They were kind of origa... | 913.364 | 920.724 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Hmm. | customer: And we had a line of a wheeled robot, a tracked robot, and a legged robot that we would sell for between 5 and $10,000. We would get paid half of the money up front. We would use that money to go out and buy the parts. Uh, I had invented a way of building, uh, the robots. They were kind of origami robots. Uh,... | 920.724 | 921.164 | agent | eng | sv | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
But we really lived hand-to-mouth for quite some time. I think it was six and a half years before I started a month with enough money in the bank to make payroll. | agent: Okay.
customer: Uh, it work- It was a really quite an ingenious early way of, of, of inexpensively building a machine.
agent: Hmm. | 921.164 | 932.004 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wow. And it, it didn't seem like you were, you guys were starting a consumer products company. I mean, it seems like y- the, the, the business was going to be for military applications, maybe space, military, maybe some industrial, but not this... You weren't in any way thinking about consumer products or customers in ... | customer: Uh, it work- It was a really quite an ingenious early way of, of, of inexpensively building a machine.
agent: Hmm.
customer: But we really lived hand-to-mouth for quite some time. I think it was six and a half years before I started a month with enough money in the bank to make payroll. | 932.004 | 961.584 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We didn't know. Uh, certainly the dream was, let's be honest, we were promised robots. | agent: Hmm.
customer: But we really lived hand-to-mouth for quite some time. I think it was six and a half years before I started a month with enough money in the bank to make payroll.
agent: Wow. And it, it didn't seem like you were, you guys were starting a consumer products company. I mean, it seems like y- the, the... | 961.584 | 970.604 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We, we humans were promised robots. | customer: But we really lived hand-to-mouth for quite some time. I think it was six and a half years before I started a month with enough money in the bank to make payroll.
agent: Wow. And it, it didn't seem like you were, you guys were starting a consumer products company. I mean, it seems like y- the, the, the busine... | 970.604 | 972.544 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We humans were promised robots, right? | agent: Wow. And it, it didn't seem like you were, you guys were starting a consumer products company. I mean, it seems like y- the, the, the business was going to be for military applications, maybe space, military, maybe some industrial, but not this... You weren't in any way thinking about consumer products or custom... | 972.544 | 974.704 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. | customer: We didn't know. Uh, certainly the dream was, let's be honest, we were promised robots.
agent: We, we humans were promised robots.
customer: We humans were promised robots, right? | 974.704 | 974.944 | agent | eng | id | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And, and so that, you know, it was a little bit of a, if not us, who? If not now, when are we gonna actually go and start to build these? So we didn't know how to build consumer robots. Everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first day. In fact, if I introduced myself, "Hello, my name is Colin Angle," t... | agent: We, we humans were promised robots.
customer: We humans were promised robots, right?
agent: Yeah. | 974.944 | 1,000.284 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Wait, sorry. When you would, when you would meet people, they would ask you what you would, you did for a living. | customer: We humans were promised robots, right?
agent: Yeah.
customer: And, and so that, you know, it was a little bit of a, if not us, who? If not now, when are we gonna actually go and start to build these? So we didn't know how to build consumer robots. Everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first ... | 1,000.284 | 1,004.864 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Correct. | agent: Yeah.
customer: And, and so that, you know, it was a little bit of a, if not us, who? If not now, when are we gonna actually go and start to build these? So we didn't know how to build consumer robots. Everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first day. In fact, if I introduced myself, "Hello, my ... | 1,004.864 | 1,004.904 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
You would say- | customer: And, and so that, you know, it was a little bit of a, if not us, who? If not now, when are we gonna actually go and start to build these? So we didn't know how to build consumer robots. Everyone asked for a robot vacuum cleaner from the very first day. In fact, if I introduced myself, "Hello, my name is Colin... | 1,004.904 | 1,005.714 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
"I build robots." | agent: Wait, sorry. When you would, when you would meet people, they would ask you what you would, you did for a living.
customer: Correct.
agent: You would say- | 1,005.714 | 1,006.694 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
"I build robots," and they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?" | customer: Correct.
agent: You would say-
customer: "I build robots." | 1,006.694 | 1,012.744 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
"When are you gonna clean my floor?" Right? 'Cause they thought of Rosie from The Jetsons, and that's what they wanted. | agent: You would say-
customer: "I build robots."
agent: "I build robots," and they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?" | 1,012.744 | 1,017.124 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
And you would hear this from the beginning? | customer: "I build robots."
agent: "I build robots," and they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?"
customer: "When are you gonna clean my floor?" Right? 'Cause they thought of Rosie from The Jetsons, and that's what they wanted. | 1,017.124 | 1,019.723 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
From the very, very beginning, but we just had no idea how to do it. In fact, I would start to get a little snarky and say, "Well, how much are you willing to pay?" | agent: "I build robots," and they'd say, "Oh, when is Rosie, like, from The Jetsons, gonna be in my house?"
customer: "When are you gonna clean my floor?" Right? 'Cause they thought of Rosie from The Jetsons, and that's what they wanted.
agent: And you would hear this from the beginning? | 1,019.724 | 1,028.204 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. | customer: "When are you gonna clean my floor?" Right? 'Cause they thought of Rosie from The Jetsons, and that's what they wanted.
agent: And you would hear this from the beginning?
customer: From the very, very beginning, but we just had no idea how to do it. In fact, I would start to get a little snarky and say, "Well... | 1,028.204 | 1,028.264 | agent | eng | id | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
"Are you willing to pay $5,000? If you are, well, maybe I can do something for you." And they would say, "Well, no, no, I w- I can't spend $5,000 on a robot vacuum. If I could do that, I would hire someone to clean my floor." | agent: And you would hear this from the beginning?
customer: From the very, very beginning, but we just had no idea how to do it. In fact, I would start to get a little snarky and say, "Well, how much are you willing to pay?"
agent: Yeah. | 1,028.264 | 1,039.964 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
But I guess I'm wondering is when you would hear that- | customer: From the very, very beginning, but we just had no idea how to do it. In fact, I would start to get a little snarky and say, "Well, how much are you willing to pay?"
agent: Yeah.
customer: "Are you willing to pay $5,000? If you are, well, maybe I can do something for you." And they would say, "Well, no, no, I ... | 1,039.964 | 1,043.024 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yep | agent: Yeah.
customer: "Are you willing to pay $5,000? If you are, well, maybe I can do something for you." And they would say, "Well, no, no, I w- I can't spend $5,000 on a robot vacuum. If I could do that, I would hire someone to clean my floor."
agent: But I guess I'm wondering is when you would hear that- | 1,043.024 | 1,043.454 | customer | eng | tr | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... it sounds like it would be a little bit annoying because actually, a lot of what you were doing was for research for government, you know, or military or space purposes, right? Which, which you could argue from y- your perspective, you could think, "Well, we're actually doing something much more, uh, consequential.... | customer: "Are you willing to pay $5,000? If you are, well, maybe I can do something for you." And they would say, "Well, no, no, I w- I can't spend $5,000 on a robot vacuum. If I could do that, I would hire someone to clean my floor."
agent: But I guess I'm wondering is when you would hear that-
customer: Yep | 1,043.454 | 1,069.984 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
You know, honestly, no, because the dream of where are the robots we were promised, I wanted to build the robots for the rest of us, and so that it was almost, "Okay, I- I'm building robots for the military. I'm building bo- robots for the oil and gas industry because I need to pay the bills, but one day we'll do, we'l... | agent: But I guess I'm wondering is when you would hear that-
customer: Yep
agent: ... it sounds like it would be a little bit annoying because actually, a lot of what you were doing was for research for government, you know, or military or space purposes, right? Which, which you could argue from y- your perspective, y... | 1,069.984 | 1,105.723 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah, you guys were a bunch of- | customer: Yep
agent: ... it sounds like it would be a little bit annoying because actually, a lot of what you were doing was for research for government, you know, or military or space purposes, right? Which, which you could argue from y- your perspective, you could think, "Well, we're actually doing something much mor... | 1,105.724 | 1,107.584 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We're a bunch of nerds | agent: ... it sounds like it would be a little bit annoying because actually, a lot of what you were doing was for research for government, you know, or military or space purposes, right? Which, which you could argue from y- your perspective, you could think, "Well, we're actually doing something much more, uh, consequ... | 1,107.584 | 1,108.384 | customer | eng | en | unknown | founder | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... science nerds. You didn't know about marketing or distribution or- | customer: You know, honestly, no, because the dream of where are the robots we were promised, I wanted to build the robots for the rest of us, and so that it was almost, "Okay, I- I'm building robots for the military. I'm building bo- robots for the oil and gas industry because I need to pay the bills, but one day we'l... | 1,108.384 | 1,113.024 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
We certainly didn't have it. We didn't respect it, even. You weren't allowed to say marketing without saying weenie, y- you know, immediately- | agent: Yeah, you guys were a bunch of-
customer: We're a bunch of nerds
agent: ... science nerds. You didn't know about marketing or distribution or- | 1,113.024 | 1,120.504 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
[laughs] | customer: We're a bunch of nerds
agent: ... science nerds. You didn't know about marketing or distribution or-
customer: We certainly didn't have it. We didn't respect it, even. You weren't allowed to say marketing without saying weenie, y- you know, immediately- | 1,120.504 | 1,120.514 | agent | eng | lv | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
... afterwards. I mean, it was, it was a, a very much an engineering culture. | agent: ... science nerds. You didn't know about marketing or distribution or-
customer: We certainly didn't have it. We didn't respect it, even. You weren't allowed to say marketing without saying weenie, y- you know, immediately-
agent: [laughs] | 1,120.514 | 1,124.384 | customer | eng | en | unknown | other | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
Yeah. So I mean, so given all of that, how, how were you actually gonna become a real business? Like, h- how were you gonna come up with a, a sustainable model? | customer: We certainly didn't have it. We didn't respect it, even. You weren't allowed to say marketing without saying weenie, y- you know, immediately-
agent: [laughs]
customer: ... afterwards. I mean, it was, it was a, a very much an engineering culture. | 1,124.384 | 1,133.134 | agent | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct | |||||||
The breakthrough for us actually was a business model that we discovered. We would come up with a, a, a way of working together where I would work at cost. I would work at breakeven, but since I wasn't making any money, we would split the value that we ultimately created. For this big company, this is nearly free. They... | agent: [laughs]
customer: ... afterwards. I mean, it was, it was a, a very much an engineering culture.
agent: Yeah. So I mean, so given all of that, how, how were you actually gonna become a real business? Like, h- how were you gonna come up with a, a sustainable model? | 1,133.134 | 1,179.464 | customer | eng | en | unknown | host | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | high | Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct_20260713T143033Z | meta-llama/Llama-3.3-70B-Instruct |
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