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Short was ankle.
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Okay.
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Tall, tall was up to the calf, yeah.
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Okay. And then brown or white. And then how many pairs did you order?
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500. It was about fif-
agent: Okay. customer: Tall, tall was up to the calf, yeah. agent: Okay. And then brown or white. And then how many pairs did you order?
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And just different sizes
customer: Tall, tall was up to the calf, yeah. agent: Okay. And then brown or white. And then how many pairs did you order? customer: 500. It was about fif-
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... $15,000, yes.
agent: Okay. And then brown or white. And then how many pairs did you order? customer: 500. It was about fif- agent: And just different sizes
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And it takes, what, six weeks, two months to get these boots?
customer: 500. It was about fif- agent: And just different sizes customer: ... $15,000, yes.
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It, it was very quick, actually. We, we... It was October, and, uh, we got the boots in by the end of November. Yeah, just beginning d- December.
agent: And just different sizes customer: ... $15,000, yes. agent: And it takes, what, six weeks, two months to get these boots?
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So you get these boots in, and now you're gonna go presumably back to these stores that had expressed interest. And you're like, "Hey, we're back. We got them."
customer: ... $15,000, yes. agent: And it takes, what, six weeks, two months to get these boots? customer: It, it was very quick, actually. We, we... It was October, and, uh, we got the boots in by the end of November. Yeah, just beginning d- December.
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And [laughs] I remember going back to Kon Surfboards and, and, and the owner goes, "Oh, well done, Brian. You are gonna be so successful. But we couldn't sell them out of our store. We just sell surfboards and trunks and flip-flops. But you're gonna do great in the shoe stores. Good luck," you know? And I walked out wi...
agent: And it takes, what, six weeks, two months to get these boots? customer: It, it was very quick, actually. We, we... It was October, and, uh, we got the boots in by the end of November. Yeah, just beginning d- December. agent: So you get these boots in, and now you're gonna go presumably back to these stores that ...
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Wow
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... from Malibu down to San Diego. And, uh, the total sales for the first year was 28 pairs.
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Which was how much money?
customer: And [laughs] I remember going back to Kon Surfboards and, and, and the owner goes, "Oh, well done, Brian. You are gonna be so successful. But we couldn't sell them out of our store. We just sell surfboards and trunks and flip-flops. But you're gonna do great in the shoe stores. Good luck," you know? And I wal...
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Exactly $1,000. But it's-
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Wow
customer: ... from Malibu down to San Diego. And, uh, the total sales for the first year was 28 pairs. agent: Which was how much money? customer: Exactly $1,000. But it's-
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... just a fluke. But it was exactly $1,000.
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And I, I'm not, I'm not fast enough with the math. How much were you selling a pair?
customer: Exactly $1,000. But it's- agent: Wow customer: ... just a fluke. But it was exactly $1,000.
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At retail, it was probably between 50 and 70, depending on the short and the tall.
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Got it. Okay. So in 1979, that was not super cheap.
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No, it was super expensive. And I was... That, that was one of the worst facets of the entire UGG project for 20 years, was the, uh, lack of margins I had because the pressure of the retail price kept us way, way down. So it was very-
agent: And I, I'm not, I'm not fast enough with the math. How much were you selling a pair? customer: At retail, it was probably between 50 and 70, depending on the short and the tall. agent: Got it. Okay. So in 1979, that was not super cheap.
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Right
customer: At retail, it was probably between 50 and 70, depending on the short and the tall. agent: Got it. Okay. So in 1979, that was not super cheap. customer: No, it was super expensive. And I was... That, that was one of the worst facets of the entire UGG project for 20 years, was the, uh, lack of margins I had bec...
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... hard to make money.
agent: Got it. Okay. So in 1979, that was not super cheap. customer: No, it was super expensive. And I was... That, that was one of the worst facets of the entire UGG project for 20 years, was the, uh, lack of margins I had because the pressure of the retail price kept us way, way down. So it was very- agent: Right
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So you make 1,000 bucks in sales your first year. So you, uh, it's [laughs] not looking very good. And you are now, you've got hundreds of pairs of these things, what, just piled up in boxes in this-
customer: No, it was super expensive. And I was... That, that was one of the worst facets of the entire UGG project for 20 years, was the, uh, lack of margins I had because the pressure of the retail price kept us way, way down. So it was very- agent: Right customer: ... hard to make money.
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470-something pairs, yeah, in the third bedroom.
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In this, uh, house that you're renting in Santa Monica?
customer: ... hard to make money. agent: So you make 1,000 bucks in sales your first year. So you, uh, it's [laughs] not looking very good. And you are now, you've got hundreds of pairs of these things, what, just piled up in boxes in this- customer: 470-something pairs, yeah, in the third bedroom.
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Yeah, that was... The third bedroom was the w- the warehouse, yes.
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Wow. You couldn't do that today. You couldn't rent a house in Santa Monica, uh, and be broke, right? I mean, just w- it'd be impossible.
customer: 470-something pairs, yeah, in the third bedroom. agent: In this, uh, house that you're renting in Santa Monica? customer: Yeah, that was... The third bedroom was the w- the warehouse, yes.
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Yeah.
agent: In this, uh, house that you're renting in Santa Monica? customer: Yeah, that was... The third bedroom was the w- the warehouse, yes. agent: Wow. You couldn't do that today. You couldn't rent a house in Santa Monica, uh, and be broke, right? I mean, just w- it'd be impossible.
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Um, all right. So you, it's 1980 now. You got a bunch of shoes. And what are you gonna do? I mean, and what does Doug do? Like, you guys had started-
customer: Yeah, that was... The third bedroom was the w- the warehouse, yes. agent: Wow. You couldn't do that today. You couldn't rent a house in Santa Monica, uh, and be broke, right? I mean, just w- it'd be impossible. customer: Yeah.
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Yeah. Doug decided to go into the video business, which was just starting at that time. We knew we couldn't make a living Out of no sales. So, you know, I, I wanted to give up, but I couldn't 'cause I got 400 pairs in the bedroom and I-
agent: Wow. You couldn't do that today. You couldn't rent a house in Santa Monica, uh, and be broke, right? I mean, just w- it'd be impossible. customer: Yeah. agent: Um, all right. So you, it's 1980 now. You got a bunch of shoes. And what are you gonna do? I mean, and what does Doug do? Like, you guys had started-
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Yeah
customer: Yeah. agent: Um, all right. So you, it's 1980 now. You got a bunch of shoes. And what are you gonna do? I mean, and what does Doug do? Like, you guys had started- customer: Yeah. Doug decided to go into the video business, which was just starting at that time. We knew we couldn't make a living Out of no sales...
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... all my investors' money is tied up. So I started doing swap meets and street fairs and basically anywhere I could get a crowd. And over the next, you know, January, February, March, I ended up selling about $6,000 worth of product.
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Pretty good.
customer: Yeah. Doug decided to go into the video business, which was just starting at that time. We knew we couldn't make a living Out of no sales. So, you know, I, I wanted to give up, but I couldn't 'cause I got 400 pairs in the bedroom and I- agent: Yeah customer: ... all my investors' money is tied up. So I starte...
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And-
agent: Yeah customer: ... all my investors' money is tied up. So I started doing swap meets and street fairs and basically anywhere I could get a crowd. And over the next, you know, January, February, March, I ended up selling about $6,000 worth of product. agent: Pretty good.
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Not bad
customer: ... all my investors' money is tied up. So I started doing swap meets and street fairs and basically anywhere I could get a crowd. And over the next, you know, January, February, March, I ended up selling about $6,000 worth of product. agent: Pretty good. customer: And-
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... uh, most of it, believe it or not, was out of the back of my van in the parking lot at Malibu.
agent: Pretty good. customer: And- agent: Not bad
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Yeah.
customer: And- agent: Not bad customer: ... uh, most of it, believe it or not, was out of the back of my van in the parking lot at Malibu.
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I used to go up for a surf in the morning, and afterwards I'd grab a coffee and the newspaper, and I, I had my van full of product, and I would just sit there with the doors open. I made, you know, steady money.
agent: Not bad customer: ... uh, most of it, believe it or not, was out of the back of my van in the parking lot at Malibu. agent: Yeah.
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Okay, just a, a point of clarification here. I know that especially in California, 'cause the water's really cold, most surfers wear wetsuits 'cause it's hard to swim in that water-
customer: ... uh, most of it, believe it or not, was out of the back of my van in the parking lot at Malibu. agent: Yeah. customer: I used to go up for a surf in the morning, and afterwards I'd grab a coffee and the newspaper, and I, I had my van full of product, and I would just sit there with the doors open. I made, ...
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It's freezing, yeah
agent: Yeah. customer: I used to go up for a surf in the morning, and afterwards I'd grab a coffee and the newspaper, and I, I had my van full of product, and I would just sit there with the doors open. I made, you know, steady money. agent: Okay, just a, a point of clarification here. I know that especially in Califor...
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... u- unless you're in a wetsuit. Were surfers in Australia wearing these wool boots because they wanted to warm up their feet or their... after they surfed? Like, it just seems-
customer: I used to go up for a surf in the morning, and afterwards I'd grab a coffee and the newspaper, and I, I had my van full of product, and I would just sit there with the doors open. I made, you know, steady money. agent: Okay, just a, a point of clarification here. I know that especially in California, 'cause t...
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Well, these questions you're asking were asked by every single surf shop owner and every consumer. W- what the hell, what, how, why are they so good? And the answer is that, and all Australians know this, is that sheepskin breathes. So you can put them on with freezing feet, and they will insulate. And if you've got we...
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Hmm.
customer: It's freezing, yeah agent: ... u- unless you're in a wetsuit. Were surfers in Australia wearing these wool boots because they wanted to warm up their feet or their... after they surfed? Like, it just seems- customer: Well, these questions you're asking were asked by every single surf shop owner and every cons...
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So there was a very, very practical side to wearing them after surfing. And so that's what I, I wanted to tap into.
agent: ... u- unless you're in a wetsuit. Were surfers in Australia wearing these wool boots because they wanted to warm up their feet or their... after they surfed? Like, it just seems- customer: Well, these questions you're asking were asked by every single surf shop owner and every consumer. W- what the hell, what, ...
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But you can't turn this into a business just selling them out of the back of your van. You've gotta-
customer: Well, these questions you're asking were asked by every single surf shop owner and every consumer. W- what the hell, what, how, why are they so good? And the answer is that, and all Australians know this, is that sheepskin breathes. So you can put them on with freezing feet, and they will insulate. And if you...
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Yeah
agent: Hmm. customer: So there was a very, very practical side to wearing them after surfing. And so that's what I, I wanted to tap into. agent: But you can't turn this into a business just selling them out of the back of your van. You've gotta-
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... you gotta figure out how to get into retailers, right?
customer: So there was a very, very practical side to wearing them after surfing. And so that's what I, I wanted to tap into. agent: But you can't turn this into a business just selling them out of the back of your van. You've gotta- customer: Yeah
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Yeah. Yeah.
agent: But you can't turn this into a business just selling them out of the back of your van. You've gotta- customer: Yeah agent: ... you gotta figure out how to get into retailers, right?
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And, and so were there... I'm assuming all... you know, there were trade shows back in, in the early '80s, um, for shoes and, and, and apparel.
customer: Yeah agent: ... you gotta figure out how to get into retailers, right? customer: Yeah. Yeah.
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Yep. In fact, there was, uh, the market that's called the Action Sports Market just started that very same year as, as I started.
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So action sports, surfing and skateboarding and-
customer: Yeah. Yeah. agent: And, and so were there... I'm assuming all... you know, there were trade shows back in, in the early '80s, um, for shoes and, and, and apparel. customer: Yep. In fact, there was, uh, the market that's called the Action Sports Market just started that very same year as, as I started.
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All of the above. Yeah.
agent: And, and so were there... I'm assuming all... you know, there were trade shows back in, in the early '80s, um, for shoes and, and, and apparel. customer: Yep. In fact, there was, uh, the market that's called the Action Sports Market just started that very same year as, as I started. agent: So action sports, surf...
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Skiing. Yeah.
customer: Yep. In fact, there was, uh, the market that's called the Action Sports Market just started that very same year as, as I started. agent: So action sports, surfing and skateboarding and- customer: All of the above. Yeah.
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And, uh, so I did go participate, but nobody understood what I had. So the bottom line is, you know, in, in March, I just, uh, shut it down. And, uh, my first job in the summer was scraping boats at Marina del Rey. Then I switched over to a construction firm. A buddy of mine owned a contracting company in Bel Air, and ...
agent: So action sports, surfing and skateboarding and- customer: All of the above. Yeah. agent: Skiing. Yeah.
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So you're working, uh, doing these jobs just to pay the bills.
customer: All of the above. Yeah. agent: Skiing. Yeah. customer: And, uh, so I did go participate, but nobody understood what I had. So the bottom line is, you know, in, in March, I just, uh, shut it down. And, uh, my first job in the summer was scraping boats at Marina del Rey. Then I switched over to a construction f...
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Yes.
agent: Skiing. Yeah. customer: And, uh, so I did go participate, but nobody understood what I had. So the bottom line is, you know, in, in March, I just, uh, shut it down. And, uh, my first job in the summer was scraping boats at Marina del Rey. Then I switched over to a construction firm. A buddy of mine owned a contr...
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You're not giving up on the shoe thing yet. You're still committed to doing this.
customer: And, uh, so I did go participate, but nobody understood what I had. So the bottom line is, you know, in, in March, I just, uh, shut it down. And, uh, my first job in the summer was scraping boats at Marina del Rey. Then I switched over to a construction firm. A buddy of mine owned a contracting company in Bel...
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I had the most interesting motivator, which was that at least one in two Australians owned some sort of sheepskin footwear. So it's not the product's fault. It must be me. And I had that mantra for, like, 10, 15 years. Every time I would be, "It's not working. It's not working," I would come back to that, that thought ...
agent: So you're working, uh, doing these jobs just to pay the bills. customer: Yes. agent: You're not giving up on the shoe thing yet. You're still committed to doing this.
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Yeah.
customer: Yes. agent: You're not giving up on the shoe thing yet. You're still committed to doing this. customer: I had the most interesting motivator, which was that at least one in two Australians owned some sort of sheepskin footwear. So it's not the product's fault. It must be me. And I had that mantra for, like, 1...
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And so that, with that attitude, I was able to stay in the game a lot longer than somebody who'd never seen them in Australia.
agent: You're not giving up on the shoe thing yet. You're still committed to doing this. customer: I had the most interesting motivator, which was that at least one in two Australians owned some sort of sheepskin footwear. So it's not the product's fault. It must be me. And I had that mantra for, like, 10, 15 years. Ev...
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Fair enough. Okay. So you... So this is now the summer of, or end of the summer of 1980. You gotta sell a bunch of shoes.
customer: I had the most interesting motivator, which was that at least one in two Australians owned some sort of sheepskin footwear. So it's not the product's fault. It must be me. And I had that mantra for, like, 10, 15 years. Every time I would be, "It's not working. It's not working," I would come back to that, tha...
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Yes.
agent: Yeah. customer: And so that, with that attitude, I was able to stay in the game a lot longer than somebody who'd never seen them in Australia. agent: Fair enough. Okay. So you... So this is now the summer of, or end of the summer of 1980. You gotta sell a bunch of shoes.
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And from what I gather, you started to run small ads in surf magazines. First of all, how did you do that? How did... Wasn't that expensive to do?
customer: And so that, with that attitude, I was able to stay in the game a lot longer than somebody who'd never seen them in Australia. agent: Fair enough. Okay. So you... So this is now the summer of, or end of the summer of 1980. You gotta sell a bunch of shoes. customer: Yes.
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Um, relative to how much money I had, it was very expensive, yes. But back at that time, the surf magazines didn't want money up front, so I was able to get 30 to 60 days to pay the advertising bill. So I was totally gambling that if I ran these ads, I would get enough sales to be able to pay for the ads.
agent: Fair enough. Okay. So you... So this is now the summer of, or end of the summer of 1980. You gotta sell a bunch of shoes. customer: Yes. agent: And from what I gather, you started to run small ads in surf magazines. First of all, how did you do that? How did... Wasn't that expensive to do?
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I got it. Okay. So you were running these small ads, and it was just s- Were, were you calling them Ugg boots or UGGs? Or I'm assuming it was-
customer: Yes. agent: And from what I gather, you started to run small ads in surf magazines. First of all, how did you do that? How did... Wasn't that expensive to do? customer: Um, relative to how much money I had, it was very expensive, yes. But back at that time, the surf magazines didn't want money up front, so I ...
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Yes
agent: And from what I gather, you started to run small ads in surf magazines. First of all, how did you do that? How did... Wasn't that expensive to do? customer: Um, relative to how much money I had, it was very expensive, yes. But back at that time, the surf magazines didn't want money up front, so I was able to get...
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... yeah.
customer: Um, relative to how much money I had, it was very expensive, yes. But back at that time, the surf magazines didn't want money up front, so I was able to get 30 to 60 days to pay the advertising bill. So I was totally gambling that if I ran these ads, I would get enough sales to be able to pay for the ads. age...
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I, I, I did... Probably the smartest thing I ever did in that business was, um, I did a search, a trademark search, that it cost me $600 at the time, which today is probably 4,000 or 5,000 bucks, you know?
agent: I got it. Okay. So you were running these small ads, and it was just s- Were, were you calling them Ugg boots or UGGs? Or I'm assuming it was- customer: Yes agent: ... yeah.
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Yeah.
customer: Yes agent: ... yeah. customer: I, I, I did... Probably the smartest thing I ever did in that business was, um, I did a search, a trademark search, that it cost me $600 at the time, which today is probably 4,000 or 5,000 bucks, you know?
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And I did a search of the, of the world, especially the US, to see if there'd been any prior use of the trade name Ugg, and there had not. So that opened up the gate for me to do the registration of the trademark.
agent: ... yeah. customer: I, I, I did... Probably the smartest thing I ever did in that business was, um, I did a search, a trademark search, that it cost me $600 at the time, which today is probably 4,000 or 5,000 bucks, you know? agent: Yeah.
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So you, you trademarked that name-
customer: I, I, I did... Probably the smartest thing I ever did in that business was, um, I did a search, a trademark search, that it cost me $600 at the time, which today is probably 4,000 or 5,000 bucks, you know? agent: Yeah. customer: And I did a search of the, of the world, especially the US, to see if there'd bee...
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Yes
agent: Yeah. customer: And I did a search of the, of the world, especially the US, to see if there'd been any prior use of the trade name Ugg, and there had not. So that opened up the gate for me to do the registration of the trademark. agent: So you, you trademarked that name-
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... Ugg, which was not a trademark. I mean, in, in Australia, it was just like-
customer: And I did a search of the, of the world, especially the US, to see if there'd been any prior use of the trade name Ugg, and there had not. So that opened up the gate for me to do the registration of the trademark. agent: So you, you trademarked that name- customer: Yes
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It was generic down there, yeah.
agent: So you, you trademarked that name- customer: Yes agent: ... Ugg, which was not a trademark. I mean, in, in Australia, it was just like-
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Right. It would be like trademarking the word cheeseburger, right? Like-
customer: Yes agent: ... Ugg, which was not a trademark. I mean, in, in Australia, it was just like- customer: It was generic down there, yeah.
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That's right. [laughs]
agent: ... Ugg, which was not a trademark. I mean, in, in Australia, it was just like- customer: It was generic down there, yeah. agent: Right. It would be like trademarking the word cheeseburger, right? Like-
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It was just the thing.
customer: It was generic down there, yeah. agent: Right. It would be like trademarking the word cheeseburger, right? Like- customer: That's right. [laughs]
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Yes.
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And, but you were able to trademark that as a brand name in the Unit- which is-
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That's correct
agent: It was just the thing. customer: Yes. agent: And, but you were able to trademark that as a brand name in the Unit- which is-
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... amazing that no one had thought to do that. But I guess this really wasn't a popular product in the US.
customer: Yes. agent: And, but you were able to trademark that as a brand name in the Unit- which is- customer: That's correct
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Oh, nobody had heard of it, yeah.
agent: And, but you were able to trademark that as a brand name in the Unit- which is- customer: That's correct agent: ... amazing that no one had thought to do that. But I guess this really wasn't a popular product in the US.
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All right, so you, um... From what I've read, 'cause you, you've written about this in, in a book, um, you actually sold about $30,000 worth of these shoes for the year 1980. Pretty good.
customer: That's correct agent: ... amazing that no one had thought to do that. But I guess this really wasn't a popular product in the US. customer: Oh, nobody had heard of it, yeah.
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Yes.
agent: ... amazing that no one had thought to do that. But I guess this really wasn't a popular product in the US. customer: Oh, nobody had heard of it, yeah. agent: All right, so you, um... From what I've read, 'cause you, you've written about this in, in a book, um, you actually sold about $30,000 worth of these shoe...
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But you end up with a loss because the cost of the boots and the expenses of-
customer: Oh, nobody had heard of it, yeah. agent: All right, so you, um... From what I've read, 'cause you, you've written about this in, in a book, um, you actually sold about $30,000 worth of these shoes for the year 1980. Pretty good. customer: Yes.
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Yes
agent: All right, so you, um... From what I've read, 'cause you, you've written about this in, in a book, um, you actually sold about $30,000 worth of these shoes for the year 1980. Pretty good. customer: Yes. agent: But you end up with a loss because the cost of the boots and the expenses of-
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... going to trade shows and taking out ads, so you actually... You're still running in the red.
customer: Yes. agent: But you end up with a loss because the cost of the boots and the expenses of- customer: Yes
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Yeah, still, still using my own capital, yes.
agent: But you end up with a loss because the cost of the boots and the expenses of- customer: Yes agent: ... going to trade shows and taking out ads, so you actually... You're still running in the red.
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And still living on [laughs] summer, summer jobs to-
customer: Yes agent: ... going to trade shows and taking out ads, so you actually... You're still running in the red. customer: Yeah, still, still using my own capital, yes.
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Yeah
agent: ... going to trade shows and taking out ads, so you actually... You're still running in the red. customer: Yeah, still, still using my own capital, yes. agent: And still living on [laughs] summer, summer jobs to-
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... basically to stay, to stay, you know. And you were not a kid. I mean, you're now well into your 30s, right?
customer: Yeah, still, still using my own capital, yes. agent: And still living on [laughs] summer, summer jobs to- customer: Yeah
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Mm-hmm.
agent: And still living on [laughs] summer, summer jobs to- customer: Yeah agent: ... basically to stay, to stay, you know. And you were not a kid. I mean, you're now well into your 30s, right?
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And I imagine that maybe part of you or maybe your parents or- were thinking, "What's he doing with his life?"
customer: Yeah agent: ... basically to stay, to stay, you know. And you were not a kid. I mean, you're now well into your 30s, right? customer: Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
agent: ... basically to stay, to stay, you know. And you were not a kid. I mean, you're now well into your 30s, right? customer: Mm-hmm. agent: And I imagine that maybe part of you or maybe your parents or- were thinking, "What's he doing with his life?"
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What... He's in California. He's surfing. He's trying to sell these boots. I mean, did you get any, any of that feedback from your family at all?
customer: Mm-hmm. agent: And I imagine that maybe part of you or maybe your parents or- were thinking, "What's he doing with his life?" customer: Yeah.
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Yeah, my, my dad Who'd been a contractor, you know, absolutely did not want me running my own business.
agent: And I imagine that maybe part of you or maybe your parents or- were thinking, "What's he doing with his life?" customer: Yeah. agent: What... He's in California. He's surfing. He's trying to sell these boots. I mean, did you get any, any of that feedback from your family at all?
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Yeah.
customer: Yeah. agent: What... He's in California. He's surfing. He's trying to sell these boots. I mean, did you get any, any of that feedback from your family at all? customer: Yeah, my, my dad Who'd been a contractor, you know, absolutely did not want me running my own business.
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And I think it's probably 'cause he had such a hard time of it. That's why I got into accounting. He wanted a safe, secure job, you know, work your way up to chief accountant. You know, I, uh, I couldn't think of... That to me was like going to prison.
agent: What... He's in California. He's surfing. He's trying to sell these boots. I mean, did you get any, any of that feedback from your family at all? customer: Yeah, my, my dad Who'd been a contractor, you know, absolutely did not want me running my own business. agent: Yeah.
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he had such a hard time of it. That's why I got into accounting. He wanted a safe, secure job
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All right, so you, uh, you're so you're still committed to this, and you're now a full year in.
customer: Yeah, my, my dad Who'd been a contractor, you know, absolutely did not want me running my own business. agent: Yeah. customer: And I think it's probably 'cause he had such a hard time of it. That's why I got into accounting. He wanted a safe, secure job, you know, work your way up to chief accountant. You kno...
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