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CMV: It’s better to be a guy who is bad at sex with a long sexual resume than good at sex with a short one
Whenever the topic of men being upset about their lack of sexual experience comes up, women always give the exact same response: “I prefer men with less sexual experience because men with a lot of experience are ... | Better in what way? Because I personally prefer a partner who is good at sex regardless of how many they slept with before me.
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You have a better life as Nick the narcissist. He is a worse partner but has a preferable position in life.
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Why would you be happier having terrible sex than having good sex? It s... | It seems that you’re saying it’s better because the guy who has lots of bad sex has more confidence.
But a guy who has lots of bad sex is not going to be a good partner, and not going to have many women interested in sticking around for long.
So if your goal is solely misguided self-confidence, yeah, maybe being te... | 1d5ytyw | CMV: It’s better to be a guy who is bad at sex with a long sexual resume than good at sex with a short one | Whenever the topic of men being upset about their lack of sexual experience comes up, women always give the exact same response: “I prefer men with less sexual experience because men with a lot of experience are insistent they know how to pleasure women, and then do something I don’t like and become defensive if I say ... | Enbie-or-Trans | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Most straight women are sexually repulsed by bisexual men, but will never admit it openly.
Openly bisexual men know the struggle of seeing your dating options being limited to basically gay men and bisexual women. It seems like only a minority of straight women are open to the idea of dating bi men, and even fewe... | I mean do you have any evidence for this or is it just your personal belief about others personal beliefs which they apparently will never say but you know of anyway?
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No statistical evidence, if that's what you mean.
My evidence is that the reasons most straight women give for not dating bi men are illogical, wh... | I think you may be overthinking it. I think straight women will see a man who has slept with many men similarly to how men might see a woman with a high body count, but worse, since the straight woman has far more options who have never slept with any man. I think many people see sex with a man as something degrading w... | 169hgxg | CMV: Most straight women are sexually repulsed by bisexual men, but will never admit it openly. | Openly bisexual men know the struggle of seeing your dating options being limited to basically gay men and bisexual women. It seems like only a minority of straight women are open to the idea of dating bi men, and even fewer will follow through with it. Admittedly, I base this through my own anecdotal observations in m... | DeadThesbian | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: We're never going to move past identity and race politics in America.
I'm actually looking for someone to change my mind about this. Please, convince me. Because it's looking to me like we're only becoming more embroiled in this situation.
It seems that everything in popular culture, news, movies, music, books, ... | Can you give some example of politics that *aren't* identity-based? That notion seems fairly fundamental to what politics are and how humans function in groups.
I ask just so we are on the same page about the topic here.
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Libertarianism comes to mind. Private property and the freedom to do whatever you want as l... | Values and the focus of culture ebb and flow over time and generations; this too shall pass. In the 30's a large number of people really wanted American fascism and were only marginally silenced by the discovery of the Holocaust, in the 60's Malcolm X sat next to George Lincoln Rockwell (American Nazi Party) while the... | 811lnk | CMV: We're never going to move past identity and race politics in America. | I'm actually looking for someone to change my mind about this. Please, convince me. Because it's looking to me like we're only becoming more embroiled in this situation.
It seems that everything in popular culture, news, movies, music, books, anything that has any kind of broad exposure in American culture must *neces... | MrEctomy | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Saying you don’t date cis-het white men on a dating app is inconsistent with the idea that a person should not be judged by their race/gender/sexual orientation.
I’m on tinder and frequently see some variation of this, basically swipe left if you’re a straight white cis-gendered man.
Now, I think people should ... | You seem to confusing the idea of naturally not being attracted to a specific group of people with straight up wanting nothing to do with them because of agendas.
It’s like saying that any man who writes “don’t message me if you’re a woman” is discriminating women. What if they’re saying that because they’re gay? In t... | How is choosing who you date discriminating? I don't date 99.9% of all the world. Neither do the vast majority of people. Yet no one gets called on not liking someone else, I'm not even sure there's a word for such discrimination.
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> Yet no one gets called on not liking someone else, I'm not even sure there's a wo... | d8vc65 | CMV: Saying you don’t date cis-het white men on a dating app is inconsistent with the idea that a person should not be judged by their race/gender/sexual orientation. | I’m on tinder and frequently see some variation of this, basically swipe left if you’re a straight white cis-gendered man.
Now, I think people should date who they want, and if certain races/genders/birth-sexes/orientations don’t appeal to them, they are under no obligation to consider those people. However, I do thi... | Glamdivasparkle | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: ADHD is over diagnosed and over medicated
I’m starting out by saying I am not denying that ADHD exists. I 100% agree that some people have it, and many of those who do have it have real struggles and may need medication. I’m also referring to kids, especially under 8-10 being diagnosed.
I’m mainly referring to ... | Although I largely agree with your view, I want to provide a counterpoint: I believe it is extremely likely that kids (and people) these days do genuinely have worse attention span and impulse control on average compared to kids a couple of decades ago. Social media and tech usage has decreased the attention span of ev... | Why do you assume you know better than the doctors analyzing the symptoms and prescribing treatment, when appropriate?
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I guess I would argue that mental health is very difficult to diagnose. While doctors have lots of knowledge, they can still be wrong. Plenty of doctors have admitted to being a bit stymied by wh... | 169ffdy | CMV: ADHD is over diagnosed and over medicated | I’m starting out by saying I am not denying that ADHD exists. I 100% agree that some people have it, and many of those who do have it have real struggles and may need medication. I’m also referring to kids, especially under 8-10 being diagnosed.
I’m mainly referring to many school aged kids who get diagnosed. While e... | Vivid_Papaya2422 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The debate on abortion is plagued with more strawman arguments than any other controversial topic.
Abortion is a very controversial topic. And I have noticed that, while many individuals on both sides of the argument use completely valid arguments, many more on both sides use a logical fallacy known as a “strawma... | How are those strawman arguments? If I am pro-life then I consider a fetus to be a baby and therefore the people who support abortion are in favor of killing babies. And if I am pro-choice then anyone who wants to tell a woman that they are required to carry a pregnancy against their will clearly has no interest in a... | I would argue that the Capitalism vs. Socialism debate has *way* more strawmen.
* Capitalists just want to exploit poor people!
* Socialists just want to steal all your money!
* Capitalism is basically one step away from slavery!
* Socialism is when the government does things and badly!
* Capitalism only serves t... | gic2wo | CMV: The debate on abortion is plagued with more strawman arguments than any other controversial topic. | Abortion is a very controversial topic. And I have noticed that, while many individuals on both sides of the argument use completely valid arguments, many more on both sides use a logical fallacy known as a “strawman”. For those unaware, a strawman argument is where a person builds up a false narrative of something ano... | mrprez180 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: 0% unemployment should be the top policy goal of the state
Unemployment leads to loss of tax revenue, which leads to rise in national debt, which leads to decrease of social spending, which leads to social alienation, which leads to more unemployment. This is highly oversimplified, but how you can go to work on a... | 0% unemployment can't be naturally reached and isn't particularly desirable.
At any one time, some companies are downsizing and some companies are expanding. The timing of those reductions and expansions can't be perfectly synchronized.
If you have 0% unemployment, that implies that there are a lot of companies looki... | 0% unemployment is actually pretty bad for an economy. It means that businesses who need to scale up won't be able to find workers quickly, and that individuals are not able to leave their jobs to pursue their passions or interests (an individual trying to build a company themselves is "unemployed" based on the defini... | d93iro | CMV: 0% unemployment should be the top policy goal of the state | Unemployment leads to loss of tax revenue, which leads to rise in national debt, which leads to decrease of social spending, which leads to social alienation, which leads to more unemployment. This is highly oversimplified, but how you can go to work on any of these issues without addressing unemployment first is beyon... | itcud | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Trump's conviction in his recent business fraud case is unlikely to give Biden an advantage and might even help Trump's chances.
It is my opinion that Trump's felony conviction will probably not help or hurt either candidate during the November election. There is a greater chance, in my opinion, that this case wi... | I don't see how this conviction could embolden anyone that wasn't already a fan of his to begin with. The only way would be for someone to actually believe the trial was a sham and charges all made up, and for that group of independent voters to be bigger than those that would accept the conviction as a evidence of him... | If Trump were to actually lose 24% of his support, it would be an absolute bloodbath.
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Oh I'm not at all saying it's an insignificant result. I'm simply saying we're still half a year away from the election for that 24% to either forget the trial's results or to decide it didn't matter that much to them in the fir... | 1d5r10p | CMV: Trump's conviction in his recent business fraud case is unlikely to give Biden an advantage and might even help Trump's chances. | It is my opinion that Trump's felony conviction will probably not help or hurt either candidate during the November election. There is a greater chance, in my opinion, that this case will embolden independent voters to vote for Trump as a way of "righting a wrong" rather than persuading voters to Biden's side.
For exa... | SpiritedDiet | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Parodies of extreme views are completely harmless (as long as they are obviously parodies) and censoring these parodies could potentially do more harm than good
First off, I would like to say that I disagree with the generalization of Poe's law, which states that "it is impossible to create a [parody](https://en.... | Well if you have time you should just go watch Lindsay Ellis's [video essay](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62cPPSyoQkE) on the ethics of satire about Nazis. It's pretty good. The key takeaway is that there certainly are arguably valid ways to parody fascism, ways to rob fascists of their rhetorical and theatrical pow... | people read between the lines, there are plenty of people who would commit vehicular slaughter against minorities, and people obviously dont post there own names, so cutting away the "character" ou are left with someone wanting to commit a crime
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You don't seriously believe that anyone who has ever posted a ... | d8qrah | CMV: Parodies of extreme views are completely harmless (as long as they are obviously parodies) and censoring these parodies could potentially do more harm than good | First off, I would like to say that I disagree with the generalization of Poe's law, which states that "it is impossible to create a [parody](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parody) of [extreme views](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremism) so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers for a sincer... | notsuspendedlxqt | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It’s wrong to have repeated sexual fantasies about someone without their consent
I have met people who are hot. I have friends that are sexy. I have tried to pursue relationships with people who I find attractive. And in all of these cases I definitely had sexual thoughts about that person. I may have even mastur... | Could you state concisely how consent effects the morality of your imagination? Because it’s not obvious why it’s even morally relevant.
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Because moral behavior is what we as a society agree is right and wrong. Or at least a subset of a society agrees.
Without consent there is deception and deception is immoral.
... | Maybe there's not good reason for it, but I feel like there's a difference between just having a fantasy about someone, and using their photos to jerk off. With one, you're actually oggling their body via photos they didn't upload for that purpose; with the other, it's just in your head, and I feel like that's kind of ... | 1apis7e | CMV: It’s wrong to have repeated sexual fantasies about someone without their consent | I have met people who are hot. I have friends that are sexy. I have tried to pursue relationships with people who I find attractive. And in all of these cases I definitely had sexual thoughts about that person. I may have even masturbated to the thought of being with them.
And sure, this is all in my own mind. It’s on... | moderatelymeticulous | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV. Knifes and Daggers are superior to most swords in 1v1 melee battles.
What? Who the heck is this guy trying to spread this untrue information. Anyone with a brain should know a sword is superior to a knife in every way. Even if you have never battled with one.
But are they though?
But I guess a question you are... | I think you're making the mistake of framing this like a video game. The number of attacks you can get in per minute is not a practical measure, because in real life you're not chipping away at a health bar. One successful attack can be enough to incapacitate or kill someone.
As for short range, swords have more opti... | 1) Throughout history, swords were pretty much always used with a shield. Exceptions were for cavalry and boarding actions.
2) When a shield was unavailable, swordsmen would use a knife, stool or coat in their off-hand. One handed fencing is strictly a sporting phenomenon.
3) One connecting stab and you are probably ... | eza4i7 | CMV. Knifes and Daggers are superior to most swords in 1v1 melee battles. | What? Who the heck is this guy trying to spread this untrue information. Anyone with a brain should know a sword is superior to a knife in every way. Even if you have never battled with one.
But are they though?
But I guess a question you are probably asking yourself is what swords and knives are you referring to?
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CMV. Knifes and Daggers are superior to most swords in 1v1 melee battles.
What? Who the heck is this guy trying to spread this untrue information. Anyone with a brain should know a sword is superior to a knife in every way. Even if you have never battled with one.
But are they though?
But I guess a question you are... | The obvious retort is: "if there were any validity to your claims, we'd see historical evidence to back you up." Everywhere it's written, drawn, painted, frescoed whatever, daggers (if they're even shown in historical art) are secondary to swords.
Another obvious retort is "reach," a sword is going to allow you to ke... | First, I think of the old adage "nobody wins in a knife fight."
The key really is distance. There is no way a knife fighter can safely close the distance on a competent swords man. In fact, the swordsman really doesn't even have a need to attack first.
I'm not really convinced that using a sword will impair your agi... | eza4i7 | CMV. Knifes and Daggers are superior to most swords in 1v1 melee battles. | What? Who the heck is this guy trying to spread this untrue information. Anyone with a brain should know a sword is superior to a knife in every way. Even if you have never battled with one.
But are they though?
But I guess a question you are probably asking yourself is what swords and knives are you referring to?
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CMV. Knifes and Daggers are superior to most swords in 1v1 melee battles.
What? Who the heck is this guy trying to spread this untrue information. Anyone with a brain should know a sword is superior to a knife in every way. Even if you have never battled with one.
But are they though?
But I guess a question you are... | The obvious retort is: "if there were any validity to your claims, we'd see historical evidence to back you up." Everywhere it's written, drawn, painted, frescoed whatever, daggers (if they're even shown in historical art) are secondary to swords.
Another obvious retort is "reach," a sword is going to allow you to ke... | [Spears are better than swords, even in single combat.](https://youtu.be/afqhBODc_8U) HEMA practitioners say you'd need to be 3x as skilled to beat a spearman with just a sword. You can talk about speed and maneuvrability all you want, but reach is 90% of the fight. Now imagine a sword vs a knife, same thing. A swordsm... | eza4i7 | CMV. Knifes and Daggers are superior to most swords in 1v1 melee battles. | What? Who the heck is this guy trying to spread this untrue information. Anyone with a brain should know a sword is superior to a knife in every way. Even if you have never battled with one.
But are they though?
But I guess a question you are probably asking yourself is what swords and knives are you referring to?
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CMV: I don't think it matters if the majority of people in a field are the same gender, as long as equality of opportunity exists
Quotas are very popular at the moment, but I think they're ridiculous if a more qualified person doesn't get a job.
In an ideal world where men and women had the same interests a 50/50 spli... | Part of the problem with your view is that you are viewing equal opportunity as merely freedom from constraints, but that is only half the picture. Along with freedom from constraints, we must consider how society encourages us to do things, how it nurtures our positive liberty. Many of the constraints that women have ... | [removed]
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>Besides, if a company could get away with paying women less, wouldn't they hire nothing but women?
Then why didn't companies hire women only during the 50s and 60s when women definitely earned less than men? Or during the 1920s and 30s?
Surely if all companies looked at was cost of labor, ... | d8jgyd | CMV: I don't think it matters if the majority of people in a field are the same gender, as long as equality of opportunity exists | Quotas are very popular at the moment, but I think they're ridiculous if a more qualified person doesn't get a job.
In an ideal world where men and women had the same interests a 50/50 split could exist but women prefer jobs with interactions with people, whilst men don't. As a result more women choose teaching as a pr... | shaftedbyblackelmo | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Defining labels for sexual orientation is closed-minded.
Sexuality is a spectrum. Believing that it's necessary to define labels for a person's sexuality is like trying to define where yellow begins and ends on the light spectrum. Yes, everyone agrees that yellow exists. And everyone agrees that an RGB value of (... | Why do we define anything? In my opinion, we define things to create order. Scientists have catalogued the human condition as much as possible so that we can treat things that are out of the ordinary.
Doctors define all of the organs in the human body, size, shape, color, so that we can diagnose cancer.
Psychologis... | What I don’t understand is that we do have a label for the wavelength for yellow, and yet that doesn’t limit people’s understanding that light is a spectrum. Why does having an archetype for sexuality seem different to you than having an archetype for color?
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Color spectrum isn’t the same as the sexuality spectrum... | ez93dm | CMV: Defining labels for sexual orientation is closed-minded. | Sexuality is a spectrum. Believing that it's necessary to define labels for a person's sexuality is like trying to define where yellow begins and ends on the light spectrum. Yes, everyone agrees that yellow exists. And everyone agrees that an RGB value of (255, 255, 0) is yellow. But what about something like (230, 240... | jradio610 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Cursive writing is unnecessary.
I often hear the old generation explaining that the new generation doesn’t understand or use cursive. I understand this to be somewhat true as well. I’m a 90’s baby and learned it thoughout school and don’t use it either.
The reason isn’t because it’s hard, it’s because it’s compl... | There’s a tradeoff in legibility for efficiency with cursive writing. Cursive writing minimizes the movement you need to do with your writing hand, which makes it a lot more practical for writing tasks where legibility isn’t as big of a concern (signatures, note-taking, etc.).
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This is somewhat convincing. Using i... | I *think* cursive is just my 'standard' handwriting? I'm a teacher in high school, and most of my students write in cursive, too. If they don't, they had to actively 'teach' themselves a different way of writing.
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I didn't learn cursive until like 3rd grade but cou... | 1d5ee25 | CMV: Cursive writing is unnecessary. | I often hear the old generation explaining that the new generation doesn’t understand or use cursive. I understand this to be somewhat true as well. I’m a 90’s baby and learned it thoughout school and don’t use it either.
The reason isn’t because it’s hard, it’s because it’s completely unnecessary and useless EXCEPT f... | Gobears6801 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The Death Penalty can bring closure to the family of the victim, so should remain a viable option.
To make it clear, I am speaking from my own personal view point. I have no training in either the legal system or psychology. I'm making this post in the hopes of sharing my thoughts, generating some discussion, a... | Yes, it will bring the feeling of closure to the victim's family *even* if the executed person is innocent (and therefore the real killer is still out there). Which is what happens pretty often.
The standard for death penalty is already the highest it can possibly be, and innocent people still get condemned.
The pr... | Why should I value the victims feelings over the perpetrators *life*? I don’t know about you but I generally think life>>>>>>>feelings.
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That’s not accurate though. They ... | 168x0b0 | CMV: The Death Penalty can bring closure to the family of the victim, so should remain a viable option. | To make it clear, I am speaking from my own personal view point. I have no training in either the legal system or psychology. I'm making this post in the hopes of sharing my thoughts, generating some discussion, and to see if someone is able to convince me otherwise. I'm not the best at putting my thoughts into word... | Doodle_Brush | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV:People who are morbidly obese shouldn't get handicap parking passes or any other handicap benefits.
Everyday I see morbidly obese (300+lbs) people parking in handicap spaces, and taking advantage of access to handicap benefits. I believe that these people would greatly benefit from having to walk into places they ... | What would the point be? These people genuinely have mobility issues in all cases. There's a reason that I, as an overweight 24 yo, do not need nor have any handicap benefits. The reason is that my weight isn't super high, and I have no mobility issues. The only time they issue these permits is when people genuinely ha... | You want fat people dying of cardiac arrest on a warm Texan day because they are buying groceries?
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Let their deaths be a warning to others.
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How are orphaned kids a real warning. | 80x7ie | CMV:People who are morbidly obese shouldn't get handicap parking passes or any other handicap benefits. | Everyday I see morbidly obese (300+lbs) people parking in handicap spaces, and taking advantage of access to handicap benefits. I believe that these people would greatly benefit from having to walk into places they want to go into. Doctors should stop coddling people with weight problems, and promote healthy lifestyle ... | shytboxhonda | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Any “Pure” Forms of Govt. (Anarchy, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism) Would Never Work In Today’s World
Before stating my resonings, I would like to say that I consider myself a Democratic Socialist for the most part, and believe in a mix between capitalism and socialism.
Lets start with anarchy: Anarchy would n... | >Lets start with anarchy: Anarchy would never work because if an anarchic state, bordering by a non-anarchic state, could be immediately attacked. Lack of govt. means lack of military, as preparation of a common defense is one of the purposes of Govt.
Anarchists don't oppose government, we oppose the state. Which are ... | Capitalism isnt a form of government, it is just free trade of goods and services.
The US government has nothing to do with capitalism.
> You see Disney, Alphabet, Facebook, Nestlé, General Mills etc. begin to buy up all the opposition.
And in a free market that monopoly just means more efficient production of goo... | gi7l8i | CMV: Any “Pure” Forms of Govt. (Anarchy, Capitalism, Socialism, Communism) Would Never Work In Today’s World | Before stating my resonings, I would like to say that I consider myself a Democratic Socialist for the most part, and believe in a mix between capitalism and socialism.
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CMV: Humanities are useless for the most part
EDIT: More accurate title is "Humanities education and research is a lot less useful compared to STEM education and research"
I know it has been done few times before, but I still would like to hear/read more opinions and contribute to the neverending "Humanities vs STEM"... | > hence provide practical value to society
Your entire view is myopic self centered.
What you mean to say is 'hence provide [what I personally find to be of] practical value to society'.
You don't get to decide what is and is not of practical value to the rest of us who might find more 'practical value' in having ... | The overwhelming majority of people studying in STEM fields will not invent anything. They might get good jobs coding at Facebook, or running simulations at Merck, and they as individuals might contribute some fraction of a percent to something useful, but they themselves will never have a breakthrough or an invention ... | 80zfwr | CMV: Humanities are useless for the most part | EDIT: More accurate title is "Humanities education and research is a lot less useful compared to STEM education and research"
I know it has been done few times before, but I still would like to hear/read more opinions and contribute to the neverending "Humanities vs STEM" debate.
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CMV: Humanities are useless for the most part
EDIT: More accurate title is "Humanities education and research is a lot less useful compared to STEM education and research"
I know it has been done few times before, but I still would like to hear/read more opinions and contribute to the neverending "Humanities vs STEM"... | >Mankind relies on medicine and technology. Medicine and Technology (and their application) is produced by STEM fields. Moreover, STEM fields create progress in these two areas.
Mankind also relies on subtle thinkers who have in depth knowledge of past thinkers (a toolkit of thought) that can be applied to how to resp... | The overwhelming majority of people studying in STEM fields will not invent anything. They might get good jobs coding at Facebook, or running simulations at Merck, and they as individuals might contribute some fraction of a percent to something useful, but they themselves will never have a breakthrough or an invention ... | 80zfwr | CMV: Humanities are useless for the most part | EDIT: More accurate title is "Humanities education and research is a lot less useful compared to STEM education and research"
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EDIT: More accurate title is "Humanities education and research is a lot less useful compared to STEM education and research"
I know it has been done few times before, but I still would like to hear/read more opinions and contribute to the neverending "Humanities vs STEM"... | To become civilized requires you to know your culture. Anything less than that, and you'll find yourself terribly inept at discussing anything outside of academic topics and everyday life. You'll become a boring, uninteresting person, frankly.
A complete inability to discuss politics renders you a near worthless voter... | The overwhelming majority of people studying in STEM fields will not invent anything. They might get good jobs coding at Facebook, or running simulations at Merck, and they as individuals might contribute some fraction of a percent to something useful, but they themselves will never have a breakthrough or an invention ... | 80zfwr | CMV: Humanities are useless for the most part | EDIT: More accurate title is "Humanities education and research is a lot less useful compared to STEM education and research"
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CMV: romantic relationships can’t be mutually satisfying
I don’t think a romantic relationship can exist where both parties can balance their own needs with their partner’s, where they’re both happy and fulfilled and loved. In my experience, one person is always sacrificing - and I don’t mean alternately, that would m... | Honey, just because you’ve never been able to manage an equitable relationship doesn’t mean they don’t exist. The best relationships are where both parties feel incredibly lucky to have the other and the relationship helps both people grow into their best self. It’s extremely mutually satisfying and also 100% happens!
... | What reason is there that this is impossible? Even if it is rare, there are billions of relationships on this planet. Unless there is a logical reason that this cannot happen, it's basically inevitable. Ans I can't see such a reason existing, with the wide variety of people in the world.
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CMV: Referring to a white person as "Colonizer" is a racial slur
First of all, let me start by saying *of course I am white.* That's why this issue has been bothering me.
A few days ago a woman of an unspecified race referred to me as "colonizer" in public. I instantly took offense, I know how horrible the acts commi... | It might be helpful here to examine why racism is wrong.
What makes racism morally wrong is the substitution of the individual for the archetype. She saw a white person and made assumptions.
That's prejudiced and quite possibly racist. But that's not the same thing as a "racial slur". It's an accusation. One that i... | The point in whether or not something is derogatory or not is completely reliant on its truth. White people did colonize, so it can't really be a derogatory statement. White people also weren't the only people that colonized, we did it the most sure but not all of it. There were whole Asian civilizations dependant on c... | 8j5dml | CMV: Referring to a white person as "Colonizer" is a racial slur | First of all, let me start by saying *of course I am white.* That's why this issue has been bothering me.
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CMV: Al-Aqsa Mosque is a perfect symbol of colonization
Just to be clear, this shouldn't mean anything in a practical sense. It shouldn't be destroyed or anything. It is obviously a symbol of colonization though because it was built on top of somebody else's place of worship and its existence has been used to justify ... | I think one important part that you seem to not be understanding is that the reason the mosque is build on the western wall. The second temple is destroyed by the Romans. They then burry it. It's 1200 when Saladin takes Jerusalem and builds a mosque that the wall is rediscovered.
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CMV: Macron's statements are not Islamophobic
For context, I am a 17-year-old Hindu American Male
I try my best, honestly, to be as accepting as possible. I realize that there is systemic racism in every country in the world. As long as we have differences, there will be such racism. However, I can't seem to understa... | > I think most of can agree that Islam has a current problem of extremism
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I don't know if you are agreeing with me, but yeah I guess I stand against terrorism?
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I was. He’s a good man for doing the right thing and defending his countries interests. | jx2m76 | CMV: Macron's statements are not Islamophobic | For context, I am a 17-year-old Hindu American Male
I try my best, honestly, to be as accepting as possible. I realize that there is systemic racism in every country in the world. As long as we have differences, there will be such racism. However, I can't seem to understand how Macron and France are Islamophobic.
Per... | Mercenary45 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Macron's statements are not Islamophobic
For context, I am a 17-year-old Hindu American Male
I try my best, honestly, to be as accepting as possible. I realize that there is systemic racism in every country in the world. As long as we have differences, there will be such racism. However, I can't seem to understa... | If you are labouring under the impression that Christian extremism died out in the middle ages, I'm sorry to tell you you're wildly mistaken. Hardly surprising, since you live in a country where Christianity is generally accepted as the norm, and as a result anything that deviates from it is implicitly extreme. The dou... | > I think most of can agree that Islam has a current problem of extremism
This is islamophobic. If you think Islam needs to be changed then you think it's bad. You think being islamophobic is good. Other people might think that's bad. You are not going to persuade them or even make them understand your argument if you... | jx2m76 | CMV: Macron's statements are not Islamophobic | For context, I am a 17-year-old Hindu American Male
I try my best, honestly, to be as accepting as possible. I realize that there is systemic racism in every country in the world. As long as we have differences, there will be such racism. However, I can't seem to understand how Macron and France are Islamophobic.
Per... | Mercenary45 | 3 | 3 | [
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For context, I am a 17-year-old Hindu American Male
I try my best, honestly, to be as accepting as possible. I realize that there is systemic racism in every country in the world. As long as we have differences, there will be such racism. However, I can't seem to understa... | So first of all screw religious extremism. The killings are unacceptable.
That said the response from France has been horrible. Instead of trying to find peace, they encourage the Hebdo cartoons, which are clearly just racist. There is a difference to critiquing religion and dehumanizing it and the people who use it. ... | > I think most of can agree that Islam has a current problem of extremism
This is islamophobic. If you think Islam needs to be changed then you think it's bad. You think being islamophobic is good. Other people might think that's bad. You are not going to persuade them or even make them understand your argument if you... | jx2m76 | CMV: Macron's statements are not Islamophobic | For context, I am a 17-year-old Hindu American Male
I try my best, honestly, to be as accepting as possible. I realize that there is systemic racism in every country in the world. As long as we have differences, there will be such racism. However, I can't seem to understand how Macron and France are Islamophobic.
Per... | Mercenary45 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: there is no explanatory point to using gender to describe behavior.
What I mean by gender is that this is an entity "inside the persons mind" which controls certain types of behavior, which is influenced by environmental factors.
What I mean by explanatory point is only to mean our ability to explain gendered be... | > Rather than analyzing gendered behavior as being caused by environmental factors (like parents being more likely to give boys cars over dolls and understanding why this occurs), there is too much focus on gender as an actual entity itself which controls gendered behavior.
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Yes. In the sense that man have the natural urge to spread their seed. | ado8iu | CMV: there is no explanatory point to using gender to describe behavior. | What I mean by gender is that this is an entity "inside the persons mind" which controls certain types of behavior, which is influenced by environmental factors.
What I mean by explanatory point is only to mean our ability to explain gendered behavior and not any potential benifits in doing so. As in, using gender may... | 2plus24 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV:As a whole, the world has never been a better place to live and/or have a child than right this very second.
I hear people, mostly from developed countries (which makes sense, I doubt many people in active war zones and places without internet have reddit) say that the world sucks, and that it feels like it's gett... | The main problem is climate change, which is a huge threat to human well-being that we haven't done nearly enough about and that is constantly getting worse.
The other major problem is fascism.
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Clikate change will be a problem soon, but right this second it's a minor one, and to solve it we need to have bright k... | >A working class person in a developed country lives better than a king did 50 years ago.
Are you missing a zero? A king in 1970's would be phenomenal.
>We've cut the number of people living in extreme poverty in half and more in the last 30 years.
What does that have to do with me? How does the poverty rate in Afri... | 168889u | CMV:As a whole, the world has never been a better place to live and/or have a child than right this very second. | I hear people, mostly from developed countries (which makes sense, I doubt many people in active war zones and places without internet have reddit) say that the world sucks, and that it feels like it's getting worse. A responce to dropping fertility rates is often "Who would want to bring a child into this world" Serio... | Equivalent-Fix-7313 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Schools should abolish grades
Our current education system is flawed in so many different ways, but I think a change that could be quite easy and have a positive impact would be to quite simply get rid of grades.
When we are young children we have an innocent curiosity towards the world and want to learn abo... | > when it has an extremely negative impact on the youth we need to be giving a better education
Does it? Our entire culture is built on competition. We've already removed so much of that from the past couple generations of children and were seeing absurd levels of mental health problems when they get thrust in to the ... | *> Our desire to learn and have fun*
The desire to learn or have fun is not going to get very far by itself. Students need other motivators.
Also, some would argue that there is too much fun already in schools, which deters students from working hard to master difficult subjects. Other countries don't have so much e... | 1686x5f | CMV: Schools should abolish grades | Our current education system is flawed in so many different ways, but I think a change that could be quite easy and have a positive impact would be to quite simply get rid of grades.
When we are young children we have an innocent curiosity towards the world and want to learn about whats happening around us. Howeve... | FalseKing12 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: In the near future, meat farming will die off soon and our generation will most likely be treated in a similar way as people in the past who supported slavery.
I will not bash people in the head with a "go vegan now!" message. Rather, I would like to make a claim that the way we treat people in the past who suppo... | > Rather, I would like to make a claim that the way we treat people in the past who supported slavery is the way future generations would treat us for the meat industry, and I project this happening in around a century.
There is a significant difference. Abolition and the general rejection of human slavery was and is ... | If we stopped eating meat today then we’d still be using and killing animals for hundreds of other process. We need them to test/produce medications and drugs, you need chicken eggs to stabilize some vaccines, etc.
It’s perfectly possible 100 years in the future we aren’t eating animals but still slaughtering them for... | jx1t15 | CMV: In the near future, meat farming will die off soon and our generation will most likely be treated in a similar way as people in the past who supported slavery. | I will not bash people in the head with a "go vegan now!" message. Rather, I would like to make a claim that the way we treat people in the past who supported slavery is the way future generations would treat us for the meat industry, and I project this happening in around a century. Keep in mind this is a descriptive ... | It_is_not_that_hard | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: the notions of masculinity and femininity are outdated/harmful and, even if unintentionally, will only lead to more toxicity
Obviously I may be misinterpreting these notions but hey: that's why I'm putting this up to debate!
So basically my beef with these notions is this: we're constantly talking about how gend... | Are there not at least some general (not universal, just general) differences in the behavior of those with penises vs. those with vaginas? If so, then it seems there would be tendencies for males vs. females that make certain behaviors broadly categorizable as male/masculine or female/feminine. Again, they’re not univ... | >...nowadays we can clearly see that both men and women come in all shapes and sizes and only very few truly fit these attributes close to 100%... attributes which aren't sex-exclusive at all
Which is why the ideas regarding masculinity and femininity are not the problem. There are two sexes. Male and Female. Gender t... | ez08b5 | CMV: the notions of masculinity and femininity are outdated/harmful and, even if unintentionally, will only lead to more toxicity | Obviously I may be misinterpreting these notions but hey: that's why I'm putting this up to debate!
So basically my beef with these notions is this: we're constantly talking about how gender stereotypes are harmful to society, how it's unrealistic to expect men and women to behave in strict ways, yada yada. Obviously ... | BagalhetaTraquina | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Religion should not be able to be used as an excuse not to vaccinate a child who is being sent to public school
As a current high schooler, I have just come to the realization that many kids at my school were not fully vaccinated as children. Despite the fact that these families had no religious objection to vacc... | Is it objectively better for everyone in a public school to be vaccinated, regardless of their religious beliefs? Of course, absolutely. However, we have to break a rule in order to get there, and there may be very severe consequences to that rule being broken.
>As far as I know, the first amendment freedom of speech... | You'd be punishing the child in this way more than the parent. They already aren't getting vaccinated, now we're denying them an education too? They're the victim here, if they were at school they could at least learn about vaccines there, presumably in the science or health classes.
Otherwise, the person now in charg... | admit7 | CMV: Religion should not be able to be used as an excuse not to vaccinate a child who is being sent to public school | As a current high schooler, I have just come to the realization that many kids at my school were not fully vaccinated as children. Despite the fact that these families had no religious objection to vaccination, they were able to write it off as such, and were allowed to send their kids to public school without the requ... | Wheelerdealer75205 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Major religions should not be portrayed as “mythology”
I see people all over social media referring to religions as a mythology. While that may be their view, it comes as a personal attack on those who truly believe in a particular religion. I think instead of stating “According to [religion] mythology…” we shoul... | Why does this only apply to major religions? What makes your religion better than others?
To be equitable and non-discriminatory, shouldn't we apply this to all religions? Should we say "According to Hellenism..." instead of Greek mythology?
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CMV: forced sterilization and mandatory narcotics are the only solution to eco-catastrophe
Simple numbers: there are too many eaters and too many eaters breeding especially in the most ecologically sensitive places and around the most endangered large fauna and flora. They all want a first world lifestyle, and even i... | Guy, guys, guys... we’ve already have a solution to overpopulation that doesn’t involve drugs, sterilization, genocide or other tactics favored by the likes of Thanos: women’s education. Look at Western Europe or Japan and Taiwan and you’ll observe low birthrates and negative population growth. Some of these countries ... | The poorest people in the world are the least responsible for the ecological problems we face. If you wanted to target any people, it should be the ones responsible for the problems since scapegoating the powerless isn't a viable long term solution.
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CMV: In today's political climate, it is not accurate to say the two major parties are the same
I often hear people, whether independent or not, claiming that "both major parties are the same. They both talk with lobbyists and engage in political corruption."
I however, do not think this is remotely true in the slig... | I agree with you myself, but in the spirit of productive discussion, can you elaborate on how we'd prove you wrong?
You've shared but two narrow and selected (if compelling) examples of lopsided corrupt behavior from Republicans as support for your view. If I share three examples lopsided towards Democrats, does that ... | I dont really see what your anecdote about McCrory has to do with your position, especially considering I could counter it with the anecdote that for nearly four years party Democratic politicians, democratic figureheads, and much of the Democrat base have been engaged in a myriad of attempts to undermine the Trump pre... | ghsri8 | CMV: In today's political climate, it is not accurate to say the two major parties are the same | I often hear people, whether independent or not, claiming that "both major parties are the same. They both talk with lobbyists and engage in political corruption."
I however, do not think this is remotely true in the slightest. Take North Carolina circa 2016. Incumbent Republican governor Pat McCrory was defeated by ... | StarShot77 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I think Jordan B. Peterson is one of the greatest sociopolitical thinkers of the 21st century.
Edit: Thank you all for for bringing up several good talking points. There is definitely a case to be made for Peterson's prominence as a speaker and teacher rather than a thinker. Sorry if I had not replied to your com... | What he says is common sense that many other psychologists say and believe as well.
Less of a great sociopolitical thinker and more of a well spoken/ outspoken individual
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I agree. What he preaches is not groundbreaking but his use of archetypal stories to convey the common sense, stories which reach back to the ... | He hasn't really added anything new to the discourse, as far as I'm aware. What he has achieved is finding a way to make some already known stuff appealing to a fairly broad demographic. This also had the effect of making parts of that demographic align with his views on the stuff that's not directly related to the act... | eyxiva | CMV: I think Jordan B. Peterson is one of the greatest sociopolitical thinkers of the 21st century. | Edit: Thank you all for for bringing up several good talking points. There is definitely a case to be made for Peterson's prominence as a speaker and teacher rather than a thinker. Sorry if I had not replied to your comment, there was simply to much going on to keep up with each comment thread. I very much appreciate ... | [deleted] | 5 | 5 | [
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Edit: Thank you all for for bringing up several good talking points. There is definitely a case to be made for Peterson's prominence as a speaker and teacher rather than a thinker. Sorry if I had not replied to your com... | Jordan Peterson is "one of the greatest sociopolitical thinkers" of the 21st century in the same sense that Samuel Hahnemann was one of the greatest physicians of the 19th century or Edward J. Goodwin was one of the greatest mathematicians of the 19th century. He's a crank. A crank with a large following with a large r... | He hasn't really added anything new to the discourse, as far as I'm aware. What he has achieved is finding a way to make some already known stuff appealing to a fairly broad demographic. This also had the effect of making parts of that demographic align with his views on the stuff that's not directly related to the act... | eyxiva | CMV: I think Jordan B. Peterson is one of the greatest sociopolitical thinkers of the 21st century. | Edit: Thank you all for for bringing up several good talking points. There is definitely a case to be made for Peterson's prominence as a speaker and teacher rather than a thinker. Sorry if I had not replied to your comment, there was simply to much going on to keep up with each comment thread. I very much appreciate ... | [deleted] | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Astrophysics is almost entirely speculative.
Now I’m not looking to be the smartest guy in the room. I’m actually quite ignorant when it comes to Astrophysics and space in general. But the more I read, watch and listen the more it just doesn’t compute logically for me.
For instance, it appears to me that there ... | All science is speculative until it's proven incorrect. You could literally say gravity is speculative and it would be a true statement
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We've landed rovers on Mars. How could we have done that without knowing the distance between the Earth and Mars?
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Okay sorry I should have clarified, I do believe they have our solar system pretty well dialed in, I meant planets and stars in other galaxies. Thanks for catc... | adkbhy | CMV: Astrophysics is almost entirely speculative. | Now I’m not looking to be the smartest guy in the room. I’m actually quite ignorant when it comes to Astrophysics and space in general. But the more I read, watch and listen the more it just doesn’t compute logically for me.
For instance, it appears to me that there is no practical, repeatable way to:
* measure the ... | jessemadnote | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Astrophysics is almost entirely speculative.
Now I’m not looking to be the smartest guy in the room. I’m actually quite ignorant when it comes to Astrophysics and space in general. But the more I read, watch and listen the more it just doesn’t compute logically for me.
For instance, it appears to me that there ... | [deleted]
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I think you basically just said exactly how I feel but more eloquently.
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You make it sound like you don't trust the results though, there are lots of observations we can make that are consistent. It's like history, we can't know for sure what happened because we weren't there, but we can be prett... | All science is speculative until it's proven incorrect. You could literally say gravity is speculative and it would be a true statement
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Good point. I guess my biggest takeaway is that it seems to me that the distance between stars/planets is based on the speed of light which seems to be based on... the distance b... | adkbhy | CMV: Astrophysics is almost entirely speculative. | Now I’m not looking to be the smartest guy in the room. I’m actually quite ignorant when it comes to Astrophysics and space in general. But the more I read, watch and listen the more it just doesn’t compute logically for me.
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CMV: Since gender is a social construct, we should first be targeting societal gender norms for trans folk instead of changing sex
Saw another post on here about gender and thought I would ask this. I don't even know that I need my opinion changed, just want to hear other thoughts.
Gender is a social construct and wh... | This is a legit question: Why not do both?
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I think we are doing both.
But, gender is a social construct, and my question is about why we are trying to change someone's dysphoria with a social construct using body modification.
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You're conflating several separate matters.
Gender norms and gender identity a... | In the world where we all shave our heads and wear potato sacks, I would still have required sex reassignment surgery and hormone therapy to relieve dysphoria.
Being trans has nothing to do with gender roles. It has to do with bodies and identities.
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I would love to hear more. Could you please elaborate? What I a... | 80peps | CMV: Since gender is a social construct, we should first be targeting societal gender norms for trans folk instead of changing sex | Saw another post on here about gender and thought I would ask this. I don't even know that I need my opinion changed, just want to hear other thoughts.
Gender is a social construct and when a person experiences gender dysphoria, their experience of their biological sex is not congruent with the gender that they identi... | as3jul | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: in a marriage, if one party stops having sex with the other for a significant amount of time (let’s say 6 months) then the other party should be able to divorce without any liability.
I was reading a story about a poor guy trapped in a loveless marriage and his wife was just a nasty person. She withheld sex and t... | [deleted]
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That’s marital rape which is already recognized as abusive behavior. I’m just saying we should expand the way we look at abuse. Both behaviors are abusive. Ofc all of this assumes one can prove in court with emails, texts, witness statements, etc.
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But now you are asking the courts to try and deter... | What jurisdiction are you talking about here? In the US, all 50 states already allow no-fault divorce regardless of circumstances, so this would pretty much be moot. Do you have some other country in mind?
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I thought “no fault divorce” was a California policy that ended infidelity as grounds for not awarding asset... | jlqkd1 | CMV: in a marriage, if one party stops having sex with the other for a significant amount of time (let’s say 6 months) then the other party should be able to divorce without any liability. | I was reading a story about a poor guy trapped in a loveless marriage and his wife was just a nasty person. She withheld sex and taunted him repeatedly and the guy felt trapped in the marriage because divorce can be so costly to men.
So imagine if there was a precedent where withholding sex or intimacy as a way to ... | [deleted] | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV:Identity politics is anti-intellectual.
There has been a lot of debate in political and philosophical circles about identity politics. For the purposes of this discussion, we will define identity politics as the argument that a person should vote in such a way or support political causes that a particular demograp... | The central example of [identity politics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics) in America, and the example which the term was coined to describe, was the civil rights movement. Do you think the civil rights movement was anti-intellectual? If not, why does your argument against identity politics not apply t... | I think what your missing by those that preach identity politics is that it is more so a corner we've been backed into, rather than an ideology. In a perfect country, we'd be allowed to entertain ideas from both sides on things like taxes, healthcare and education, but in the current political climate, I can't eve... | 8iyndn | CMV:Identity politics is anti-intellectual. | There has been a lot of debate in political and philosophical circles about identity politics. For the purposes of this discussion, we will define identity politics as the argument that a person should vote in such a way or support political causes that a particular demographic group finds appealing. In the domain of l... | mjg1111 | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: Every career has the same potential to cause good or harm
I came to this view after I learned about the law of unintended consequences. Here is a description of what I mean:
Regardless of profession or career in life—whether one is a president affecting millions, a doctor attending to individual patients, an ... | Saying 'has the same potential' means saying 'is equally likely', which I don't think is true. Can a begger somehow have a big impact on the world? Theoretically sure. Is the beggar as likely to have a big impact as the president of a country? Not by a long shot. The president has way more potential to make a big impac... | There are career criminals. Does a career criminal have “the same potential to cause good” as a trauma surgeon, or pediatric psychologist?
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If we only look at the present, the answer is that a career criminal causes extreme harm, while a medical professional causes a lot of good. But my point is that the long-term... | 1672xj7 | CMV: Every career has the same potential to cause good or harm | I came to this view after I learned about the law of unintended consequences. Here is a description of what I mean:
Regardless of profession or career in life—whether one is a president affecting millions, a doctor attending to individual patients, an entrepreneur shaping industries, or just a beggar on the street—... | MrMarkson | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Just because a celebrity turns out to be a bad person doesn't mean I have to stop consuming their content.
There are people like Louis CK & Kevin Spacey with recent truths coming to light that they are not the best people, one I would say over the other.
As far as networks and streaming services choosing not to ... | Of course you don’t have to stop. But continuing to support Spacey or CK or R. Kelly is a moral decision that you’re making. Whether or not you’re comfortable with that is up to you.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinvestment_from_South_Africa
and how do you think this relates to the "enabling" of celebrities ... | adkdqe | CMV: Just because a celebrity turns out to be a bad person doesn't mean I have to stop consuming their content. | There are people like Louis CK & Kevin Spacey with recent truths coming to light that they are not the best people, one I would say over the other.
As far as networks and streaming services choosing not to publish or show their content I have no issue with this, that is their decision and they have to deal directly wi... | FuckChiefs_Raiders | 3 | 3 | [
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usually when you run a marketing campaign, you want people to know your real plans. with the whole "defund the police" mov... | Republicans take democratic talking points and make them mean something no matter what. They are calling joe Biden a socialist. They say dems are going to raise their taxes. They say they are going to implement the green new deal and take their freedoms. They say BLM is racist. It doesn’t matter republicans fear monger... | > if the idea is to shift funding away from expanding the police to investment in strong communities
We have been saying this the entire time. Investing more money in public welfare is like, our whole thing, that we've always been about, since forever. We literally have never and will never shut up about this. You've ... | jlpf2o | cmv: defunding the police is quite possibly the dumbest PR move ever by liberals. they've taken something almost everyone would support on some level and turned it into a right wing talking point. | usually when you run a marketing campaign, you want people to know your real plans. with the whole "defund the police" movement they've done the exact opposite and, turns out, it's not a brilliant move. people center/right take it literally. and why wouldn't they? it's pretty clear. and there's enough young angry 20-so... | mynameiskip | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I have no hope for America
I know I'm being overdramatic. But I really just feel like nothing is going to change anytime soon, and if it does change I won't be around to witness it.
Black people are still fighting the same fight their parents fought, their grand parents fought and so on.
Native Americans are s... | Well, you’re right about one thing; you’re being overdramatic lol. In all seriousness though, this reads as though you’re spending way too much time watching cable news and browsing Twitter. I strongly urge you to take a break from all of that.
I take issue with your assertions that minorities are fighting the same f... | You know what? Turn your TV off, turn your computer off, turn your phone off. Go outside, take a walk. Go slow. See what kind of details you notice.
Read a book, listen to music, drink a cup of coffee.
All is yellow to the jaundiced eye. If you feel like USA is in the shitter, do something about it. Acting will... | hubkrg | CMV: I have no hope for America | I know I'm being overdramatic. But I really just feel like nothing is going to change anytime soon, and if it does change I won't be around to witness it.
Black people are still fighting the same fight their parents fought, their grand parents fought and so on.
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CMV: I have no hope for America
I know I'm being overdramatic. But I really just feel like nothing is going to change anytime soon, and if it does change I won't be around to witness it.
Black people are still fighting the same fight their parents fought, their grand parents fought and so on.
Native Americans are s... | Things have gotten consistently better over time, the idea that we’re in a worse place than we were before is such a naive misconception purely relying on what the media tells us.
Poverty has been declining consistently, violent crime has been on the steady decline, levels of acceptance in our society have gotten so ... | >I give up. I have no hope and I'm so fucking tired.
As a non-American, I'll ask, have you ever thought about emmigrating? even for awhile? I'm not saying this in a leave-and-you'll-apprecaite-what-you-had kind of way, but if you truly find where you live now that hopeless, why not look somewhere else for a better li... | hubkrg | CMV: I have no hope for America | I know I'm being overdramatic. But I really just feel like nothing is going to change anytime soon, and if it does change I won't be around to witness it.
Black people are still fighting the same fight their parents fought, their grand parents fought and so on.
Native Americans are still fighting the fight their par... | xHey_All_You_Peoplex | 7 | 6 | [
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CMV: Most of the current efforts to 'solve' global warming are a complete waste of time
Global warming is a massive issue. Unchecked it could literally wipe out civilization as we know it. We're already experiencing some negative effects from it (probably to a greater degree than we actually realize) and this is only... | Let's just keep the government aside and talk of how you can put pressure on big businesses. I don't know what you think, but according to me, the best and the most impactful way to put pressure is to reduce the demand for the product, which happens only when there's a social change. It's why we need a massive social m... | Not trying to change the bulk of your view right now. But I do want to challenge you on a very common talking point in the climate denial space.
> Developing nations like India China, Indonesia, Nigeria will see that continue
China accounts for more than 50% of the global investment into renewable energy, and even I... | 9un4b6 | CMV: Most of the current efforts to 'solve' global warming are a complete waste of time | Global warming is a massive issue. Unchecked it could literally wipe out civilization as we know it. We're already experiencing some negative effects from it (probably to a greater degree than we actually realize) and this is only going to exponentially grow. We've already moved past multiple 'tipping points' or 'last... | Spherehead80 | 7 | 6 | [
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CMV: AI Art is not "Theft" in any conventional sense of the word.
AI Art is not theft. Many artists are currently holding AI to a higher standard than they hold their fellow humans when it comes to "stealing" art.
While things like plagiarism and copying can exist within creative works, artists and writers tend to ag... | AI just copies exists bits of pre-existing works. If prompted, it will just attempt to copy someones art entirely. I don't think it's theft, but profiting off of it just doesn't seem right, in my opinion.
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> If prompted, it will just attempt to copy someones art entirely.
If you can find me an example of that I'... | What you say about humans taking *inspiration* from certain artists is absolutely true, as people look at different artists and mirror them to try out different styles and learn and progress. But there's three important points there. One is that AIs have actually been copying the individual watermarks that artists put ... | zogmqc | CMV: AI Art is not "Theft" in any conventional sense of the word. | AI Art is not theft. Many artists are currently holding AI to a higher standard than they hold their fellow humans when it comes to "stealing" art.
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CMV: The death penalty should be legal in the worst cases (spoiler/TW for sensitive topics)
Basically, I keep seeing a lot of my fellow leftists along with the liberals advocating for the complete abolition of the death penalty, which I feel is a misstep. I think that it should be legal, but only in the worst cases, w... | It does nothing to deter crime and is so absolutely rife with mistakes that we 100% have executed innocent people.
There’s no meaningful difference between life in prison and execution from a societal safety standpoint.
Two very good reasons not to do it.
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Life in prison means that said crime could be inflicted ... | The cost to administer the death penalty, at least in the US, is greater than the cost of lifetime incarceration. It has not been found to be a deterrent and despite all the effort, innocent people have still been executed. There is no upside to executing prisoners.
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CMV: New Zealand banning tobacco is the right thing to do
Smokers don't have the right to take up taxpayer money killing themselves. If they want to die so badly there are ways that don't hurt anybody else. New Zealand's government has a right to not want it's tax earnings squandered by a bunch of black lunged morons.... | I fully agree that smoking is disgusting. However, it has been shown over and over in many different countries that if you ban a substance you simply push its use underground. You're far better off legalising substances like tobacco but taxing it to cover the cost to the health service and government.
Look at prohibi... | > Smokers don't have the right to take up taxpayer money killing themselves.
Does the same apply to people that don't eat right? Don't exercise? What about alcoholics? Gonna ban alcohol, sugar and fat?
The primary opposition to prohibition laws is that THEY HAVE NEVER WORKED IN THE PAST. NOT ONCE, EVER.
What's goi... | zoixzw | CMV: New Zealand banning tobacco is the right thing to do | Smokers don't have the right to take up taxpayer money killing themselves. If they want to die so badly there are ways that don't hurt anybody else. New Zealand's government has a right to not want it's tax earnings squandered by a bunch of black lunged morons. If you smoke, you clearly don't have the mental capability... | Illustrious_Bed_5702 | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: New Zealand banning tobacco is the right thing to do
Smokers don't have the right to take up taxpayer money killing themselves. If they want to die so badly there are ways that don't hurt anybody else. New Zealand's government has a right to not want it's tax earnings squandered by a bunch of black lunged morons.... | > Smokers don't have the right to take up taxpayer money killing themselves.
Does the same apply to people that don't eat right? Don't exercise? What about alcoholics? Gonna ban alcohol, sugar and fat?
The primary opposition to prohibition laws is that THEY HAVE NEVER WORKED IN THE PAST. NOT ONCE, EVER.
What's goi... | my fundamental beliefs about the world leaves me to agree with this stance, but the objection would be how effective is a ban in practise?
If we look at the prohibition era, or the "war on drugs" in the US, practically speaking, they have not been very effective, and some would even argue have caused huge amounts of n... | zoixzw | CMV: New Zealand banning tobacco is the right thing to do | Smokers don't have the right to take up taxpayer money killing themselves. If they want to die so badly there are ways that don't hurt anybody else. New Zealand's government has a right to not want it's tax earnings squandered by a bunch of black lunged morons. If you smoke, you clearly don't have the mental capability... | Illustrious_Bed_5702 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Making inferences based on data about unreported crimes seems highly problematic for me. I think they should be taken with a grain of salt.
I was reading a Vox article about the rate of crimes being solved in America and they briefly said something to the effect of the solved rate for crimes is embarrassing for p... | Can you link to the vox article you’re referring to? If you don’t trust vox they will usually link to the study they are citing and you can read that
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This is the inspiration for my post but it's more talking about other issues. I'm not sure... | Its a way of assessing the police.
A high rate of not even reporting the crime to the police indicates a lack of trust in the police. That isn’t good.
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I don't find that argument convincing. We don't even know if the respondents are even victims of crimes. I would imagine police investigate a lot of things that t... | rtwide | CMV: Making inferences based on data about unreported crimes seems highly problematic for me. I think they should be taken with a grain of salt. | I was reading a Vox article about the rate of crimes being solved in America and they briefly said something to the effect of the solved rate for crimes is embarrassing for police and its even worse when you factor in unreported crimes.
I questioned just how worthwhile it is the even factor in data based on supposed u... | VesaAwesaka | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: There are good reasons to be sceptical about the vaccines.
# Intro
There are good reasons to think the vaccines is working. There are also good reasons to be sceptical about the vaccines.
Regarding, the 1st one, I don't think I have to belabour the points. But one of the good reason is this: https://www.nejm.or... | Your claim seems to focus on bad reputation in a time span that seems to be defined by anywhere in the past and all of big pharma and the government. That in itself is problematic, the groups you define are not homogenous groups in any definable way. If there happen to be side affects of course companies will try to mi... | > The organizations responsible behind the funding, research, discovery, testing, and approval of vaccines, are not angels, as proven by their track records. They are not demons either.
Even if this is true, hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccines have been given out at this point and there have been no major is... | qi5dfp | CMV: There are good reasons to be sceptical about the vaccines. | # Intro
There are good reasons to think the vaccines is working. There are also good reasons to be sceptical about the vaccines.
Regarding, the 1st one, I don't think I have to belabour the points. But one of the good reason is this: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
However, my view is that some s... | BeatriceBernardo | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Pewdiepie is not a malicious bigot.
I am not a skilled writer or debater, but these are my views presented without much editing.
I just read some news articles about pewdiepie that came down on him for his behavior, and I understand that this has been going on for a LONG time, I just figured I would make a post ... | Even if we are exceptionally generous and accept the dozens of times Pewdiepie has used this kind of language and inappropriate humour-- and we'll have to be very generous because some of them are exceptionally premeditated like paying people on Fiverr to hold up a sign saying "Death to All Jews", that's not just a ran... | I highly recommend you watch this video entitled [The PewDiePipeline: how edgy humor leads to violence.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnmRYRRDbuw&t=1624s)
It does a pretty good job of explaining that the biggest problem that people have with Pewdiepie isn't that he is necessarily a bigot (though I personally think ... | ebqi05 | CMV: Pewdiepie is not a malicious bigot. | I am not a skilled writer or debater, but these are my views presented without much editing.
I just read some news articles about pewdiepie that came down on him for his behavior, and I understand that this has been going on for a LONG time, I just figured I would make a post now because why not.
I am open to being ... | MossGnome | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: you could rationally argue for targeting undocumented immigrants who commit certain crimes, only because it's cheaper to process them (through deportation) than it is to punish U.S. citizen criminals who commit the same crimes
I am generally appalled by Trump's rhetoric targeting undocumented immigrants, even one... | Right to due process regardless of citizenship is a guaranteed right, and if it is discarded for the sake of convince or efficiency, then it isn't a right at all.
If you make that argument that it's okay to do away with human rights on those bases, you probably shouldn't be writing or enacting policy for the rest of u... | >you actually are targeting undocumented immigrants who commit those other crimes, instead of targeting undocumented immigrants just because they are undocumented
Gotta prove they committed those crimes, thats the expensive step you would wanna skip
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I have edited to clarify that I mean: Whether they are undocume... | 1n2ubwe | CMV: you could rationally argue for targeting undocumented immigrants who commit certain crimes, only because it's cheaper to process them (through deportation) than it is to punish U.S. citizen criminals who commit the same crimes | I am generally appalled by Trump's rhetoric targeting undocumented immigrants, even ones who have committed other violent crimes, for two reasons:
* If you focus only on crimes committed by a certain demographic, you are fomenting hatred against that demographic. (Think of Trump lining the White House lawn with photos... | bennetthaselton | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Entrepreneur culture is some what toxic but we never talk about that
What are the negative traits of an entrepreneur ? Personally I think that the culture can be toxic when it's overly positive.
Some entrepreneurs end up with negative values that are never discussed.
Over the years I've gotten to dislike the ... | >when I discuss something not being possible or just being hard and we have to be real about it , I'm usually faced with hugely positive attitude , that "I can do it
You're saying that a can-do attitude in the face of negativity is toxic?
The healthy way to deal with challenges is to discuss them openly and discuss w... | Doesn't this just boil down to Optimism vs Pessimism?
How is Optimistic views toxic when facing Pessimistic opposition?
Could it just be that you're confusing your realistic view for what it really is; pessimism?
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I get the difference between pragmatic views and pure Optimism and pessimism. Both are different , ... | ix1kzm | CMV: Entrepreneur culture is some what toxic but we never talk about that | What are the negative traits of an entrepreneur ? Personally I think that the culture can be toxic when it's overly positive.
Some entrepreneurs end up with negative values that are never discussed.
Over the years I've gotten to dislike the entrepreneur culture , since it repulsed me. I have always been disliked fo... | firaspop | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Using illegal psychedelic drugs is unnatural, disturbing and shameful, and therefore, and I believe that anyone who does use them needs immediate mental help.
**EDIT: I apologise for not awarding Deltas to people. I honestly had no idea what Deltas even were. I never read the sidebar or even noticed the Delta sym... | >First, they are illegal. Therefore, to obtain these drugs, you have to break the law. You have to visit a drug dealer. Drug dealers are criminals. In other words, you have to lower yourself to the level of a criminal, a person who commits crimes, to do that. Why do people not feel deeply uncomfortable and ashamed that... | First, many drug users are self medicating for a health issue, usually mental health related, that the resources they have access to are inadequate to treat. Being on drugs makes them more able to keep on living. So yes, that group does need mental help. They can't get it.
As for the rest, people think it's fun. They... | 5rgedc | CMV: Using illegal psychedelic drugs is unnatural, disturbing and shameful, and therefore, and I believe that anyone who does use them needs immediate mental help. | **EDIT: I apologise for not awarding Deltas to people. I honestly had no idea what Deltas even were. I never read the sidebar or even noticed the Delta symbol on people's posts. My view on this was partially changed and I thank everyone here for responding to this.**
First, let me be clear on one thing: I’m leaving ca... | TT454 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: AI Art is just a tool, and anyone against it either does not understand how it works, or is actually afraid of how bad actors might use it.
Been hearing a bunch of arguments for and against AI art, and, well, the arguments against have not been convincing. I'm a data engineer who's used ML/AI tools for data set a... | Its kind of like they perfected cloning and you come home and there's another you banging your wife. Is that morally acceptable?
That's what this feels like as an artist hearing this.
It's very easy to stand in this progressive mindset like technology is just going to keep rolling on and everything it creates shoul... | So according to you it's okay to handout printer designed to make guns or money because that's everyone user responsibilities and we should be fine with it. 4b easy solution you don't use art of people who don't agree to be used to begin with.
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CMV: AI Art is just a tool, and anyone against it either does not understand how it works, or is actually afraid of how bad actors might use it.
Been hearing a bunch of arguments for and against AI art, and, well, the arguments against have not been convincing. I'm a data engineer who's used ML/AI tools for data set a... | So according to you it's okay to handout printer designed to make guns or money because that's everyone user responsibilities and we should be fine with it. 4b easy solution you don't use art of people who don't agree to be used to begin with.
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That's what this feels like as an artist hearing this.
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CMV: AI Art is just a tool, and anyone against it either does not understand how it works, or is actually afraid of how bad actors might use it.
Been hearing a bunch of arguments for and against AI art, and, well, the arguments against have not been convincing. I'm a data engineer who's used ML/AI tools for data set a... | AI art IS a tool, but tools need to be regulated, and some tools need heavier regulation than others. To give a sensationalized example just to illustrate the point, and not because it's specifically relevant, guns are tools, but I don't think they should be as easy to get and use as screwdrivers. While I don't think A... | >That's possible, and cotton gins will replace cotton pickers - automation replacing workers has been a concern for a century, and nobody is really complaining about not having to separate seeds from threads by hand now
Your statement that "nobody is complaining ***now****"* is disingenuous. Of course nobody is compla... | zo19zo | CMV: AI Art is just a tool, and anyone against it either does not understand how it works, or is actually afraid of how bad actors might use it. | Been hearing a bunch of arguments for and against AI art, and, well, the arguments against have not been convincing. I'm a data engineer who's used ML/AI tools for data set analysis, and yes, I'm biased as hell, so please tell me how I'm wrong! I do genuinely want to test my ethical framework, and am not particularly s... | Kwahn | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: God could be either benevolent or omnipotent, but not both.
I have yet to see an argument that adequately explains the existence of suffering in the face of a benevolent, omnipotent God.
Provided God were both of these things, it wouldn't have created suffering in the first place. There wouldn't have been a need... | [deleted]
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Well, this argument doesn't work for me. An omnipotent God could make us understand what's behind the door without us having to open the door in the first place.
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Wouldn't that make us omnipotent as well? Life, meaning and even just happiness is all only possible because of our ignorance and the s... | What if earth is just a training ground, as many religions believe? You live, you learn, you die. Then you start over (ie Buddhism, etc).
Suffering - although might seem very significant here and now - is ultimately just a tool to help is grow and learn. Might suck that your kid died, but in the grand scheme that kid'... | 7w0odw | CMV: God could be either benevolent or omnipotent, but not both. | I have yet to see an argument that adequately explains the existence of suffering in the face of a benevolent, omnipotent God.
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I have yet to see an argument that adequately explains the existence of suffering in the face of a benevolent, omnipotent God.
Provided God were both of these things, it wouldn't have created suffering in the first place. There wouldn't have been a need... | What if earth is just a training ground, as many religions believe? You live, you learn, you die. Then you start over (ie Buddhism, etc).
Suffering - although might seem very significant here and now - is ultimately just a tool to help is grow and learn. Might suck that your kid died, but in the grand scheme that kid'... | Do you believe omnipotence necessarily infers omniscience? If not, you could have a omnipotent, benevolent god who just has no clue what he's doing.
There's probably not even the stain where the horse that was the Epicurus quote was beaten to death, but just in case anyone is wants to go look up what others have said ... | 7w0odw | CMV: God could be either benevolent or omnipotent, but not both. | I have yet to see an argument that adequately explains the existence of suffering in the face of a benevolent, omnipotent God.
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I have yet to see an argument that adequately explains the existence of suffering in the face of a benevolent, omnipotent God.
Provided God were both of these things, it wouldn't have created suffering in the first place. There wouldn't have been a need... |
Have you ever heard of Leibniz’s “best of all possible worlds” argument? Check this out:
https://www.britannica.com/topic/best-of-all-possible-worlds
The real fulcrum of the argument is the idea that human beings are incapable of actually imagining a world with less evil and suffering because of our limited perspe... | benevolence is subjective....so totally could. If God thinks he's benebolent, he is. God's subjective opinion of benevolence surely outways any other.
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CMV: dating apps should have reviews
I haven’t used a dating sites/app in several years but lately I’ve been seeing some hilarious horror stories and it makes me think dating apps like Tinder, Bumble, Hinge etc should let people leave reviews like Uber.
Sure, there’s the possibility some toxic people will rate you l... | This is going to be abused to the max.
If people on apps are as bad as others say, what makes you think this would be constructive?
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Because there’s some accountability. Right now you can ghost someone, not show up to a date, be an asshole, etc and nothing happens. Maybe it would encourage people to be nicer ove... | This would just result in fewer people using the apps
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Why?
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[deleted] | 1n2q5rm | CMV: dating apps should have reviews | I haven’t used a dating sites/app in several years but lately I’ve been seeing some hilarious horror stories and it makes me think dating apps like Tinder, Bumble, Hinge etc should let people leave reviews like Uber.
Sure, there’s the possibility some toxic people will rate you low because they’re petty, but I think ... | WeekendThief | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People/Groups Who Oppose Solutions to Societally Acknowledged Problems Without Providing Alternatives Are Not Only Useless But Obstructionists
There are many problems that society as a whole realizes are issues. Using american examples, lack of rural jobs, abortions, lack of diversity, high levels of poverty, lac... | A bad solution could be worse than not doing anything else. Let's go to your tent issue:
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1. He could reject it because spending money on a tent could mean you can't afford rent or pay your bills at the end of the month.
2. Being perceived as poor/begging could have severe impact on your social status and wor... | [removed]
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I think for me that is a different, bigger issue of republicans choosing to believe the 3% minority of climate papers rather than the 97% majority of climate papers.
In the post I'm specifically talking about Republicans who agree that climate change is occurring and that something should be done, but... | m4jzhc | CMV: People/Groups Who Oppose Solutions to Societally Acknowledged Problems Without Providing Alternatives Are Not Only Useless But Obstructionists | There are many problems that society as a whole realizes are issues. Using american examples, lack of rural jobs, abortions, lack of diversity, high levels of poverty, lack of education etc etc. For some of these problems, there are multiple solutions being debated, which is great and I hope the best solution wins.
U... | mcat_goon | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: There’s no such thing as gender. When people say they identify as another gender they just want to be free of their current societal gender norms.
I have a hard time understanding some of the talking points in this discussion. I fully support transgendered people and their rights and would really like to understa... | >There’s no such thing as gender. When people say they identify as another gender they just want to be free of their current societal gender norms.
How can 'societal gender norms' exist if there is 'no such thing' as gender?
What you're saying here is that gender is a social construct. A thing humans have created th... | > There’s no such thing as gender. When people say they identify as another gender they just want to be free of their current societal gender norms.
For trans persons, it actually encompasses identifying physically with another body type, with other sexual characteristics, such as genitals.
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I'm not sure I unders... | ix0o22 | CMV: There’s no such thing as gender. When people say they identify as another gender they just want to be free of their current societal gender norms. | I have a hard time understanding some of the talking points in this discussion. I fully support transgendered people and their rights and would really like to understand the basic principle here and widen my view on the topic.
It seems to me that when a person doesn’t identify as a man, what they really mean is they ... | driver1676 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It's wrong to sexually fantasize about someone without consent
Yo pls help me out with this one; I arrived at this conclusion around two months ago and life's been... lacking in a certain spice, one could say...
I don't believe it's possible to change this view in relation to people who you know and interact wit... | As long as it never becomes known to them, what's the harm? Holds especially true for people you'll never meet (i.e. celebrities).
If it's a coworker, a friend, etc, and it affects your relationship because they can tell that you're harboring certain fantasies, then yes, that's got the very real potential to caus... | Why should you need the consent of anyone to think something?
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I don't think that thinking is necessarily the problem. If there are thoughts that are intentional and thoughts that are unintentional, I don't have a problem with thoughts that are unintentional. I might see someone really attractive and quickly think... | qhxbfz | CMV: It's wrong to sexually fantasize about someone without consent | Yo pls help me out with this one; I arrived at this conclusion around two months ago and life's been... lacking in a certain spice, one could say...
I don't believe it's possible to change this view in relation to people who you know and interact with, though if you think you can, by all means, go ahead. Primarily, I ... | DontPanicIHaveTowel | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: There is nothing positive about having a disorder
This is especially the case if it is a chronic or lifelong disorder.
I have ADHD myself and I think that there are no positives regarding having it. I mean, it's called a mental "disorder" for a reason. There's a reason why nobody wants to be born with ADHD and ... | A disorder can offer a unique perspective to the person suffering from it. For example, if you were a teacher, you might recognize the signs of ADHD among children you teach before others necessarily would, and use your experiences to potentially help them succeed.
There are also forms of autism (especially Aspergers)... | There are a massive amount of people with dyslexia who are successful.
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Yes, but they didn't become successful because of their dyslexia. In anything, dyslexia is a barrier that they have to overcome.
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They actually tend to be more successful than non dyslexics.
Their rate of success tends to be a little b... | 5va3y6 | CMV: There is nothing positive about having a disorder | This is especially the case if it is a chronic or lifelong disorder.
I have ADHD myself and I think that there are no positives regarding having it. I mean, it's called a mental "disorder" for a reason. There's a reason why nobody wants to be born with ADHD and many ADHDers wish they didn't have this disorder and get... | silver-crescent | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV - No one can visit a newborn until the mother agrees to it under any circumstances
EDIT: I’ve changed my stance on the father’s situation - he should leave if asked during the birth but afterwards he has every right to see the child. Deltas have been awarded for this
During and after the birth of a child, no one ... | Ummm the father can and should be there. I would say almost every single instance (when father is in the picture), he is there in the delivery room being the rock that the mother needs.
So what are you saying? That fathers should be kicked out or something?
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If the woman feels the father should not be in the roo... | I don't disagree except with the father bit, unless there is family violence or something along those lines then he has full right to be there
Edit: read that last bit... So yea don't disagree really
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Even if there is no family violence, the mother may not want her partner to see her in pain if she knew they coul... | ebnrb3 | CMV - No one can visit a newborn until the mother agrees to it under any circumstances | EDIT: I’ve changed my stance on the father’s situation - he should leave if asked during the birth but afterwards he has every right to see the child. Deltas have been awarded for this
During and after the birth of a child, no one is allowed to see her or the child until the mother explicitly says they can. This inclu... | JazzyFin | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The idea that no one has a perfect life is nonsense
We constantly get told nonsense such as no one has a perfect life, the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, etc. However I truly believe that there must be at least one person on this planet who has a perfect life.
For example, if I saw a straight, ... | For one thing your notion of "perfect" may not be the same for everyone. To use your example- if that person with big feet is unhappy about his or her big feet, is his life perfect? Not to him or her.
So I think the very notion of perfection is unreasonable. Everyone wants things they don't have. And everyone suffers... | Kinda weird you put white in your description of perfect. I would assume there is some dude farming with 6 kids in Indonesia who is perfectly content, doesn't have the perfect life mind you, as such a thing is impossible because it's completely subjective. So all in all, believe what you want. I don't care!
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If yo... | 6sc45a | CMV: The idea that no one has a perfect life is nonsense | We constantly get told nonsense such as no one has a perfect life, the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, etc. However I truly believe that there must be at least one person on this planet who has a perfect life.
For example, if I saw a straight, white male (or female) who is educated, good looking, kind... | antilisterine | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Gay couples should not be allowed to adopt, or be artificially inseminated with donor semen.
I consider myself fairly liberal, I don't really care what other people do for fun in the bedroom. I think gay marriage is up to the individual religion/congregation to accept doing. I have gay friends. And so on.
But: I... | I’m not even liberal, but I disagree that a child NEEDS a mother and father. I do believe they need both men and women role models, but these do not necessarily need to be a mother and father. They can be aunts, uncles, grandparents, teachers, sports coaches, etc.
Specifically in regard to your point about adoption, ... | And if the other option is growing up in the foster care system with no set parents is that truly better?
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I'm not saying children should be taken away from gay parents. I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed to have donated semen/adopt. But there are plenty of straight couples who want to adopt or can't have childr... | hu87lo | CMV: Gay couples should not be allowed to adopt, or be artificially inseminated with donor semen. | I consider myself fairly liberal, I don't really care what other people do for fun in the bedroom. I think gay marriage is up to the individual religion/congregation to accept doing. I have gay friends. And so on.
But: I do not think they should be able to adopt children. I believe a child/minor should have the joy of... | mr_greenmash | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Gay couples should not be allowed to adopt, or be artificially inseminated with donor semen.
I consider myself fairly liberal, I don't really care what other people do for fun in the bedroom. I think gay marriage is up to the individual religion/congregation to accept doing. I have gay friends. And so on.
But: I... | And if the other option is growing up in the foster care system with no set parents is that truly better?
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I'm not saying children should be taken away from gay parents. I'm saying they shouldn't be allowed to have donated semen/adopt. But there are plenty of straight couples who want to adopt or can't have childr... | What are your feelings on single parent families?
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Depends on the conception of the child. If the father (or mother) ran away after the fact, there's not much you can do. If a mother recieved donor semen and was always single, I think it's unfair against the child.
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Is being born in less than ideal circumstan... | hu87lo | CMV: Gay couples should not be allowed to adopt, or be artificially inseminated with donor semen. | I consider myself fairly liberal, I don't really care what other people do for fun in the bedroom. I think gay marriage is up to the individual religion/congregation to accept doing. I have gay friends. And so on.
But: I do not think they should be able to adopt children. I believe a child/minor should have the joy of... | mr_greenmash | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: white supremacy and social Darwinism is legit
This is a loaded statement I’m too afraid to ask because everyone gets mad at the first sign of racism and I’ve always wondered as a colored person, please don’t hit me. I’m very much a moderate; I think both sides have points we can learn from. The conservative/somew... | Westernization was possible because of the advantages that all humans in the Old World had from the start such as agriculture. Agriculture became a thing in the Old World because of easily domesticated animals such as cows, pigs, sheep, etc. Especially with the invention of the plow, it made it so much easier to settle... | Not even getting into the question of “Western Supremacy”, do you believe that “The West” is inherently white?
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That’s like saying “The East” is mainly oriental or Asian, or the “Middle East” is mostly Arab or Africa is mostly black or South America is mostly Latin. So, what is the point of this statement?
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W... | dl4ypx | CMV: white supremacy and social Darwinism is legit | This is a loaded statement I’m too afraid to ask because everyone gets mad at the first sign of racism and I’ve always wondered as a colored person, please don’t hit me. I’m very much a moderate; I think both sides have points we can learn from. The conservative/somewhat capitalist influence probably came from my famil... | lellat | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Overpriced pharmaceuticals are a necessary evil
Last year pharmaceutical companies spent a whopping $180 billion on medical research. This is as much as the entire US and also four times what the US government spent last year on research.
Now looking at profit margins, I looked at three of the largest pharmace... | I think the issue is that the focus of that research is by definition going to be on drugs that are the most profitable.
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Why is that an issue? Like what is your string of logic?
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We should generally be trying to research drugs that will save the most people, not make the pharma company the most money. Becaus... | It's odd that you bring up the polio vaccine to advocate for private pharmaceuticals when it was publicly funded and its inventor didn't patent it for a profit.
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Do you think that all pharmaceutical companies should be non-profit? If they were nonprofit by law, do you think there would be as many pharmaceutical co... | gx8oas | CMV: Overpriced pharmaceuticals are a necessary evil | Last year pharmaceutical companies spent a whopping $180 billion on medical research. This is as much as the entire US and also four times what the US government spent last year on research.
Now looking at profit margins, I looked at three of the largest pharmaceuticals, Pfizer, Gilead, and Sanofi and found that the... | Laniekea | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV: In a knockout soccer tournament, penalties should be taken before extra time
American sports and occasional soccer fan here to once again tell the rest of the world how soccer should be played! This is inspired by *both* the men's and women's college championships recently being decided on penalties.
Penalty sho... | >Penalty shootouts.... cut out most of the skill that makes a team good at soccer. You might as well have the 2 teams go bowling to determine the winner.
Under your proposed system games would be decided by penalties more often. Suppose team A wins the penalty shootout. They will just defend for 30 minutes in order to... | > Teams were afraid to attack and leave themselves overcommitted, so it led to a boring style of soccer where both teams just try to play for penalties.
Under your system, this will still be the case *for the team that won.* There's no benefit for them in trying to counterattack, they'd only tire out their players. S... | eblazs | CMV: In a knockout soccer tournament, penalties should be taken before extra time | American sports and occasional soccer fan here to once again tell the rest of the world how soccer should be played! This is inspired by *both* the men's and women's college championships recently being decided on penalties.
Penalty shootouts are boring as shit (if you're not invested in the outcome), and they cut out... | BrotherItsInTheDrum | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Sexual health classes should be required as part of the comprehensive curriculum in all public schools in the United States
Providing youth with sexual health education is critical in informing their future decisions to engage in safe sex practices/behavior and improving their overall health outcomes. Providing s... | [deleted]
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I think you make a great point about pushing this type of curriculum at the local level. My thoughts were that the federal government should put forth a set of guidelines for schools nation wide to touch upon and then states and local government could make any additions they see necessary.
As of now,... | I agree with the basic premise of your argument, but with one caveat: how would it be possible to enforce this? We give states absolutely gigantic leeway when it comes to setting educational standards. If it's required on a federal level, it will also have to be funded, or states will push back. And funding for compreh... | arbh05 | CMV: Sexual health classes should be required as part of the comprehensive curriculum in all public schools in the United States | Providing youth with sexual health education is critical in informing their future decisions to engage in safe sex practices/behavior and improving their overall health outcomes. Providing safe sex education provides students with the knowledge of the health risks associated with engaging in unsafe sex behavior and the... | maddyg56 | 4 | 4 | [
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CMV: Workaholics shouldn't have kids
I am not saying to impose a ban since I can think of worse parents than workaholics, but this is a group I rarely see mentioned. Two parents who *willingly* work 12 or more hours a day shouldn't have kids. It's fine to be focused on your career, but it is unfair to bring a child to... | Children are in school, and also sleep. There is plenty of opportunity to both work and spend time with your kids.
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If you work 12 hours per day, when are you seeing your kids? Even if they do a double shift school and go from 8 to 5, what happens after school? When do you bond with your kid if you leave the house... | Do you hate your life and wish you were never born?
If not, it seems that your mom's decision to have kids, despite being a workaholic, was a positive decision from your perspective - because your entire existence is responsible for it.
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CMV: Your vote in the US presidential election should not be informed by the candidate's likelihood of winning (specifically as it applies to 3rd party candidates or write-ins)
**Introduction**
Although the impetus of this post is largely informed by my experience in the most recent presidential election, I sincerely... | If your vote won't change an outcome, then you have already sufficiently defeated the purpose of voting. Therefore your position is essentially "Don't vote."
There's also one other major factor you're not considering. People have a preference for who they want to be in office. But they also have a preference for who t... | in a strict pluralist vote system, this would make alot of sense. also where the 2nd place vote getter would just become vp. or in countries where the winning party has to form coalitions with minority vote getters.
so in a good system, it makes sense.
but in our archaic electoral college system, too many of the mec... | 7vxbhk | CMV: Your vote in the US presidential election should not be informed by the candidate's likelihood of winning (specifically as it applies to 3rd party candidates or write-ins) | **Introduction**
Although the impetus of this post is largely informed by my experience in the most recent presidential election, I sincerely hope to abstract this conversation away from political debate or from the particulars of Donald Trump. To the extent such matters are discussed, I hope that discussion of them i... | LURKER_GALORE | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: People from lower classes or are less educated tend to make decisions based on ideology alone, and vice versa
This is just a hypothesis I’ve been thinking and I’m curious what counter arguments there will be.
First, let’s define ideology as someone’s belief, whether it be a religious belief, or political belief ... | You have it backwards. The deepest ideologues tend to be the most educated people, because the more educated you are the more likely you are to have tried to create a consistent worldview (which is what ideologies are, at core) and the better you are at rationalizing your views.
The less educated incline more to popul... | People who are poor have more at stake than people who are rich. If a poor person loses their job, they could end up homeless. If a rich person loses their job, they get a golden parachute.
Rich people are more beholden to their ideology, because they need to be to justify the inequality they benefit from. In a wo... | 1n2ksup | CMV: People from lower classes or are less educated tend to make decisions based on ideology alone, and vice versa | This is just a hypothesis I’ve been thinking and I’m curious what counter arguments there will be.
First, let’s define ideology as someone’s belief, whether it be a religious belief, or political belief such as liberalism or conservative.
People who are less educated are less familiar with critical ways of thinking.... | Skorpios5_YT | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: The least divisive outcome of the Impeachment Inquiry would for the House to impeach, and for the Senate to disqualify (rather than remove).
It seems to me, based on how things are going in the impeachment inquiry, that it is almost certainly the case that the House is going to end up impeaching Trump, which is g... | As far as I'm aware, the disqualification vote only happens if there's a conviction. So disqualifying someone is an impeachment plus. I guess it would not be divisive in the sense that it represents a forceful repudiation of Trump, but, providing my understanding is correct, it's not the sort of compromise you think ... | Choosing to disqualify Trump would be suicide for the GOP in the 2020 election.
Even on the most aggressive timelines for an impeachment trial in the Senate, they would not be able to reach a verdict of disqualification prior to February, and that just isn't a realistic amount of time for them to spin up a replaceme... | e66osx | CMV: The least divisive outcome of the Impeachment Inquiry would for the House to impeach, and for the Senate to disqualify (rather than remove). | It seems to me, based on how things are going in the impeachment inquiry, that it is almost certainly the case that the House is going to end up impeaching Trump, which is going to result in a trial in the senate. At the conclusion of the Senate trial, they will have to vote to convict or acquit. While it's less discus... | caramel_corn | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Bible based religions should be extinct
First I would like to tell you that I am an atheist and I'm talking mostly about christianity and judaism.
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I believe that are cons and pros for their existence but I don't get how many NEW churchs reads the HOLY BIBLE in their own way, if that text is sacred why... | But why should they be extinct, happiness comes from doing what you desire not what other people do.
I’m an atheist as well, but religion seems to help a great deal of people through the turmoil of life.
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Because in the end no matter how happy you feel, you are following peoples idea not bible. I think mostly p... | So you think Islam should survive?
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I cut them out because I don't know the sctructure they are based so I could made a false claim.
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Islam is based on the Bible and Quran. It is one of the three Abrahamic religions. It should be included in your wish for extinction. Leaving it out shows a lack of research... | 9uoh9x | CMV: Bible based religions should be extinct | First I would like to tell you that I am an atheist and I'm talking mostly about christianity and judaism.
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CMV: Loli content involving characters above the age of 18 is not pdfilia
I’m looking for a serious discussion on a controversial topic, this is obviously a throwaway account, as the topic is very controversial. I truly wish to understand the full spectrum of the topic and any misconceptions I or potentially even othe... | If I drew a dog and called it a human being, made porn of it, would that be considered a beastiality fantasy?
If you draw a child's body, say it is an adults body, and then sexualize it, you are sexualizing children's bodies, which is pedophilic.
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CMV: Ideas and concepts are not universal or right just because they are popular.
Basically I see this trend were people seem to act as if ideas and concepts (usually ones they hold) are universal laws of of reality because they are popular. Seeing anyone who has views that deviate from the the popular view as wrong.... | I'm not going to dive into the morality discussion because I haven't played the game and also I have to get ready for work.
But as far as swear words and whatnot, yeah, that's the basic function of language. All of the words you typed only mean what they mean because we all generally agree on their meaning. Words are... | I've read your whole post from Mass Effect to the n word. I'm going to focus on morality itself.
The real question I think you're getting at is whether morality is objective or subjective. Is there a single set of "rules" we should all aspire to follow or is it socially constructed?
People obviously have mixed feeli... | zmzgxc | CMV: Ideas and concepts are not universal or right just because they are popular. | Basically I see this trend were people seem to act as if ideas and concepts (usually ones they hold) are universal laws of of reality because they are popular. Seeing anyone who has views that deviate from the the popular view as wrong.
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CMV: America is roughly where Yugoslavia was at in 1988
When people usually talk about the possibility of the US falling apart, people usually point to the Roman Empire or the USSR, but I think Yugoslavia is a much better analogy as its economic system and cultural environment was considerably closer to the US. So whe... | >A long protracted economic/debt crisis that the system is unable to solve.
Where? Which economic crisis are you talking about?
> Politicians turning to ultranationalism to maintain power (Milosevic).
Who's turning to ultranationalism?
>Different segments of the population utterly hate each other.
That's rather ... | What do you see at the likely outcome ? Where will America be in five years?
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Imagine if a genuinely fascist movement fed off the incredible amount of reactionary energy behind Trump. For all I dislike the dude, he was never the scheming evil that liberals liked to portray him as.
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So are we imaging unlikely ... | rtqg46 | CMV: America is roughly where Yugoslavia was at in 1988 | When people usually talk about the possibility of the US falling apart, people usually point to the Roman Empire or the USSR, but I think Yugoslavia is a much better analogy as its economic system and cultural environment was considerably closer to the US. So where do I see similarities?
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When people usually talk about the possibility of the US falling apart, people usually point to the Roman Empire or the USSR, but I think Yugoslavia is a much better analogy as its economic system and cultural environment was considerably closer to the US. So whe... | >A long protracted economic/debt crisis that the system is unable to solve.
Where? Which economic crisis are you talking about?
> Politicians turning to ultranationalism to maintain power (Milosevic).
Who's turning to ultranationalism?
>Different segments of the population utterly hate each other.
That's rather ... | >A long protracted economic/debt crisis that the system is unable to solve.
The thing is, the USA doesn't have a debt crisis.
We have a lot of debt, but it doesn't matter because everyone knows they can't call in that debt without crashing the global economy.
It's like the famous saying
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CMV: The only benefit to having a piano teacher vs teaching yourself online, through text and trial and error is the speed in which you will learn
First I'd like to dispel the idea that the resources and people online that explain music to people are not 'teachers'. They are certainly teachers, it's just, in most case... | > I cannot logically conclude that there is something a piano teacher would know that is not elaborated on and explained in great detail over the internet.
What the teacher knows that the YouTuber doesn't is your specific grasp of the material as you move through it. Feedback, essentially. This is generally true of a... | I think it depends on whether you are talking about playing something without much technical complexity and “getting away with it” or advancing with techniques in that instrument.
Piano is an instrument where it is relatively simple in the beginning and gets progressively more difficult as you level up.
A good examp... | gx52tv | CMV: The only benefit to having a piano teacher vs teaching yourself online, through text and trial and error is the speed in which you will learn | First I'd like to dispel the idea that the resources and people online that explain music to people are not 'teachers'. They are certainly teachers, it's just, in most cases, you are not being taught in 'real time' and thus cannot receive or give instant feedback.
I do have to agree that having a teacher, for sure you... | AlaskanIceWater | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: Canceling student debt is something that will only help the richer
Say there are 3 18-year-olds: Adam, Bruce and Charlie.
Adam is a middle-class dude. He decides to go to college, just like his parents did. He has a 200k debt because of that.
Bruce is the son of a working man. Like his father, he decides to be ... | > Adam is on his way to becoming rich, is a well-respected professional. He went to an expensive college but now owes nothing.
Bringing a middle class person onto a path to "becoming rich" seems like a good thing. We should try to do more policies that make non-rich people become rich, not less, I'd say.
> Bruce is s... | This literally makes no sense lmao.
If there’s no student debt then anybody can go, not just rich people. If you don’t wanna go that’s your choice. If you get in debt for other things that’s your choice. If other people still call you a loser that’s a personal problem, ignore them.
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He said canceling student debt... | qhqjy2 | CMV: Canceling student debt is something that will only help the richer | Say there are 3 18-year-olds: Adam, Bruce and Charlie.
Adam is a middle-class dude. He decides to go to college, just like his parents did. He has a 200k debt because of that.
Bruce is the son of a working man. Like his father, he decides to be a plumber. He has a 200k debt buying equipment/real state for his shop.
... | jose628 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: It's totally okay to use coffee to suppress appetite and routinely skip lunch and breakfast to be productive
I've been doing this a lot recently as I work from home. Will just slam a couple of potent coffees at the start of the day and find that the day flies by without me even noticing that I need to eat. Someti... | It’s not ‘wrong’ if it ‘works’. But one thing to consider is that you are doing the most active, energy intensive part of your day without any intake, and then consuming the most of your calories before bed, when you are not really burning too much energy.
This isn’t something you’re going to see the negative effects... | >Haven't noticed any weight gain since I started this.
Out of curiosity... you haven't noticed any weight gain but have you noticed any weight loss?
I would find it rather odd if you were skipping calorie intake for 50% of your waking hours but not losing weight. If that's the case that means you're consuming the sa... | 9uoagu | CMV: It's totally okay to use coffee to suppress appetite and routinely skip lunch and breakfast to be productive | I've been doing this a lot recently as I work from home. Will just slam a couple of potent coffees at the start of the day and find that the day flies by without me even noticing that I need to eat. Sometimes I pop a multivitamin just to know that I'm also ingesting some nutrients, but there's obviously no protein / fa... | [deleted] | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Alot of the people supporting the San Antonio armed protester are hypocrites.
You'll see an image floating around of an armed man with pride flag patches with the story being he was protecting an LGBTQ event in San Antonio. To the critical acclaim of alot of people. When people accurately pointed out that alot of... | I mean I think the bot kind of gave a good intro, but this is a bit of a double standard.
Most "armed protestors" are using their arms for the purposes of intimidation, and or inflicting violence as an agressor.
The implication of using weaponry to guard a LGBTQ rally is that this person is aware of the recen... | OP, did you know that arguing by calling people hypocrites is a common logical fallacy?
[It's called Appeal to Hypocrisy](https://psychologyconcepts.com/appeal-to-hypocrisy-fallacy/#:~:text=An%20appeal%20to%20hypocrisy%20is,the%20position%20being%20argued%20for.)
>An appeal to hypocrisy is a logical fallacy in which ... | zmuf1g | CMV: Alot of the people supporting the San Antonio armed protester are hypocrites. | You'll see an image floating around of an armed man with pride flag patches with the story being he was protecting an LGBTQ event in San Antonio. To the critical acclaim of alot of people. When people accurately pointed out that alot of these same people called right leaning people terrorists for doing the exact same t... | Colorado_Cajun | 5 | 5 | [
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CMV: Trump Lacks Clout to Regulate Guns
In light of yesterday's shooting at a church which killed two children and injured numerous others, there continue to be calls for regulation of guns. However, Trump will try to ignore and deflect because he doesn't have the power to challenge the gun cult in America.
Trump has... | NRA has no teeth and no clout. NRA is a left wing boogie man that hasn't been relevant in the younger 2A community since at least early 2000s. Lots of boomers though.
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Can you point to anything that went directly against their position? A new law or something?
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The nra isn't the pro gun movement. The reason w... | Regulate Nihilism and...a certain type of people...to be the most effective.
It's the action, not the tool, that's the problem.
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Access and ease of use of the tool contributes to the problem. Motor vehicles, for example, are tools but people have to register them, they are often required to acquire insurance, and... | 1n2gjx2 | CMV: Trump Lacks Clout to Regulate Guns | In light of yesterday's shooting at a church which killed two children and injured numerous others, there continue to be calls for regulation of guns. However, Trump will try to ignore and deflect because he doesn't have the power to challenge the gun cult in America.
Trump has demonstrated a desire for a Nobel Peace ... | SkyrimWithdrawal | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: I don't understand why income inequality is inherently a problem
What I'm talking about here is when the income of the very rich is increasing more than the income of other groups (eg - middle class), hence creating more income inequality. I honestly just don't understand why this is considered a problem; by itse... | There has been [research](http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797615596713) into happiness, economic growth, and income equality. The findings showed that overall people were *less happy* when there was greater disparity between the rich and poor - that is the case independently of overall economic growth.
... | I believe the issue is that the distribution of wealth is pouring in to the mega-rich at a much faster rate than it is for any other income class.
Do you as a middle-class American make more money and live a better life than the middle Americans of 50 years ago? Probably. Could you be living a much more fulfilling and... | 7vxxzo | CMV: I don't understand why income inequality is inherently a problem | What I'm talking about here is when the income of the very rich is increasing more than the income of other groups (eg - middle class), hence creating more income inequality. I honestly just don't understand why this is considered a problem; by itself.
If the median income of the poor and the middle class is increasin... | ZeusThunder369 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: companies should not fire people for saying that a transgender woman is a man
Recently there were controversy around Mario Lopez saying that he was uncomfortable with parents allowing children to identify as the opposite gender or sex. He apologized after backlash. There was also a controversy after a female mode... | Companies fire people for saying things that are perceived as bigoted because being associated with bigotry can hurt the business. Either through decreased profits from people shying away from the company, or by alienating important employees that work for the company. The firings are a strategic move meant to save the... | Are you saying that people who speak ignorantly should be allowed to do so without consequence? You're right that a lot of people don't understand issues that affect the transgender community or even have a baseline comprehension of the biological basis of being transgender but I don't see how what you're advocating so... | clyvfe | CMV: companies should not fire people for saying that a transgender woman is a man | Recently there were controversy around Mario Lopez saying that he was uncomfortable with parents allowing children to identify as the opposite gender or sex. He apologized after backlash. There was also a controversy after a female model said a transgender woman is still a biological man, and she was subsequently fired... | peekabookpenguin | 7 | 7 | [
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CMV that Gender Reassignment surgery shouldn’t be allowed until you are 21.
To start off, I’m liberal, very far left. Support LGBTQ rights. This shouldn’t be political though.
I just turned 21. For the first time in my life I can CHOOSE to smoke and drink in California.
When I turned 18 I had the option to sign my... | Do you think this should apply to other medical fields like vaccination, where you are not allowed to get a vaccination without your parents consent until you are 21? If you don’t, what separates vaccines from gender reassignment surgery?
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1. Vaccines are almost guaranteed to be good for the person. Only a very sm... | You're not a doctor, and so the way you think medical conditions should be treated should be completely ignored. If trained doctors believe that the best way to treat a patient is reconstructive surgery even though the patient is less than 21 years old, you should defer to their expertise.
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They don't they simply ... | ebjaop | CMV that Gender Reassignment surgery shouldn’t be allowed until you are 21. | To start off, I’m liberal, very far left. Support LGBTQ rights. This shouldn’t be political though.
I just turned 21. For the first time in my life I can CHOOSE to smoke and drink in California.
When I turned 18 I had the option to sign my life away to the military. The only reason this decision isn’t for 21 is bec... | nich7292 | 2 | 2 | [
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CMV: It's not racist to say "It's okay to be white"
This is by far one of the most perplexing news stories I think I've ever seen. It seems unquestionable that saying "It's ok to be \[any race\]" should be one of the most benign statements anyone could make. If I said of myself "It's ok to be asian" and people got ups... | There is an underlying subtext to the message which implies that any criticism of white majority power or institutional racism is wrong- that "it's okay to be white" with everything that may or may not entail. It's a dismissal tactic designed to brush opposing viewpoints under the rug, similar to the "All Lives Matter"... | Nobody's saying those words are intrinsically a racist statement. Divorced from any external information about the world, obviously they are not, but context matters. It's impossible to understand the significance or intent of any statement without placing it in the context in which it was made.
In today's political a... | 9um63o | CMV: It's not racist to say "It's okay to be white" | This is by far one of the most perplexing news stories I think I've ever seen. It seems unquestionable that saying "It's ok to be \[any race\]" should be one of the most benign statements anyone could make. If I said of myself "It's ok to be asian" and people got upset over it, the people who got upset would rightfully... | math_murderer88 | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: The gender wage gap may exist, but it is impossible to conclusively prove that it does, therefore, any fruitful discussion of workplace gender inequality should not frame it as objective fact.
My basic view is outlined in the title, but I will expand to a degree. I have seen many sources which claim, to a varying... | As defined the gender wage gap is a mathematical problem. It exists. You can argue about causes etc, but not about the match to the formula.
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Source? I have never seen a study which concludes without a shadow of a doubt that it exists.
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What do you mean by study?
The US government takes data on the income of... | While the gap is certainly none of this 75-80% garbage, there are some reasons to ask questions. For instance, in [one study](http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2014/why-does-john-get-stem-job-rather-jennifer) I heard about on LWT, when Harvard was offered two resumes that were entirely identical other than the female/mal... | 5v75vs | CMV: The gender wage gap may exist, but it is impossible to conclusively prove that it does, therefore, any fruitful discussion of workplace gender inequality should not frame it as objective fact. | My basic view is outlined in the title, but I will expand to a degree. I have seen many sources which claim, to a varying degree, that wage inequality based on gender exists in the workplace. However, I have never seen such a study which I or another reasonable person could not point out a a flaw in. This stems from th... | yumyumnom | 3 | 3 | [
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CMV: We desperately need nuance back in politics
"Trump is hitler"
"ACAB"
"America is a failed state"
There are so many opinions floating around that seem so fringe and I think it could get real bad if nuance doesn't make a comeback. Especially considering the ramifications of trying to apply nuance. I think compar... | Nuance doesn't sell. Extremism is what sells.
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I say we socialize media. Take the selling aspect out.
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Would you trust the media to keep the government in check if it became another branch of the government?
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To be fair the theory of checks and balances applies check systems between already existing bran... | >a warning by madeline albright comparing trump to dictators such as hitler
Ok, so you recognize that there IS a good comparison there. Now tell me, to be nuanced do you expect people to rewrite her essay everytime they make the comparison? Or can they just take a shortened version of the valid comparison: *Trump is H... | htqpw3 | CMV: We desperately need nuance back in politics | "Trump is hitler"
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