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So first of all, because of the chicken versus the egg—it’s already talked about this—because the U.S. unilaterally stopped the deal and started massing forces, implementing sanctions. These are things that happen regardless of what Iran is doing or not doing in this debate because of the narrative of excess evil, beca... |
But secondly, because of their very own analysis of Trump, it does not want the escalation because it’s not in their interest because they are fish, and they build their power based on this. But also, they have intensified the conflict unnecessarily to start off with, which means that in so far as they see—but this is ... |
So the only reason for you to fight this is if you show strength, and if the balance of power is recaptured again and stuff like this. These are the same people who sponsored the Iraq War. So their side of the house, the perfect case, I grant you nuclear weapons, is still likely that they are going to portray them as h... |
<poi> |
Yes, cool, we give you five structural reasons why getting a nuclear weapon will take a long time, and in this period, every actor—not just the U.S.—has the urgency to escalate, the spectrum of tools becoming more hardline in sanctions. So it can get worse than it is in the status quo. |
</poi> |
Yeah, so you gave me reasons that you thought up in your speech, which do not represent reality. We already talked about how North Korea was able to develop the nuclear weapon. They literally did this under sanctions for years, I guess, right? |
So the Iranian nuclear deal is not something that was happening in open space, and they were like, "Oh, I need to trade with these people to develop a nuclear reactor," because no one is going to trade with them. Literally, no one wants to have nuclear weapons from the surrounding countries, and they need to go to thes... |
The problem could easily be established, as they literally just did like the last week when they started enriching uranium again and stuff like this, right? On the idea of decentralization of Iranian forces, which is the only me you say, but there are other things that could go wrong, but you never mention what are the... |
From the Iranian perspective, you say that decentralization of Iranian forces and stuff like this consolidation happened after the draw. It was possibly that this was something that was mandated from the central government and stuff like this. One fanatic who is anti-al, because he feels like we are surrendering to the... |
But it’s more likely that damaging weapons are more centralized on their side of the house. So there might be this random guy with the bazooka who can probably do some damage to some extent, but if you have more sophisticated weapons, these weapons are more likely under control of the government, which means at this po... |
</ow> |
<pm> |
As in every narrative debate, we need to separate two things. What is the scope and the effect that this narrative has? Because people in the debate often time pretend that narrative is everything and it will like shift it one way or the other. The realistic scenario of how this plays out is there are some biological u... |
Right. And people who have the right philosophy will see the world as a battle generally like I'm a story kind of defeating all of these things there. Regardless of the narrative most likely going to have this narrative because it works for them because that's their, how do you say, life philosophy. Right. What is narr... |
look at there illness in that way? And that can be horrible because it skews their choices and makes them cope with illness less and makes them psychologically vulnerable. How does this manifest? How does this look like? Usually this manifest in a way when you tell people and when you have the illness, what are these p... |
It's a denial process, right? You don't want to cope with the fact that your friend might die, father might die, or somebody like this. But we are saying that this coping, that this pushing under the rug is actually bad for both parties because it pushes conversations away that are necessary to happen for these people ... |
So we don't see that it always manifests in that extreme way, but it definitely pushes you to be more in that line and hide some of the doubts that you have, hide some of the questions. So let's talk about why this has impacted, why is this so important, right? We believe there's a huge, some people might not overcome ... |
already have in your head, right? But the problem is with this narrative, you're pushing these thoughts aside. You're never engaging with these thoughts until it's too late. The problem is you rise your expectation as well of what will happen and how it will happen, which leads to a lot of cases of depression and addit... |
talk to these people, to cry with these people, and to have this cathartic experience of coping with something that is so horrible in dissociation. But it also skews you into continuing the fight. The fight is not always good, right? In some cases, you will die no matter what. In some cases, you are going to live with ... |
very horrible procedures, going through surgery, going, maybe even going to chemotherapy that in some cases where people don't want it, going to alternative medicine, which all have side effects that can make your life in the last couple of years of your life, make it even worse than it is living with the terminal dise... |
because of it. So you have all of these psychological burden in you. Some people might choose to do this still, right? With or without narrative because they want to fight because this is something, but this is narrative is skewing that choice from them. He's taking that choice away to meaningfully think about the pote... |
a lot of procedures that means fighting the terminally illness are horrible. Are you bringing a lot of pain to that person, to their family, to the people around them? It also brings despair because the more you're doing it and the more you're losing this fight, it brings you to even worse psychological state, which me... |
that you should be a fighter because your family told you that you should be brave, that you should be a fighter because you have nobody to confide in. It means that sadly, under their side of the house, these people are usually dying alone, under the physical pain, but also huge emotional and psychological pain that i... |
</pm> |
<lo> |
The narrative that someone can fight and defeat cancer is one that we think opening opposition is deeply empowering because it says that this illness is not something that is internal and intrinsic to you, but it is something that is external to you and something that you can fight and get over. That is a narrative tha... |
people die. And the reason why we know that this is true and this is something the weighing that you should perform in this debate is because if we just think intuitively, would you rather someone is able to cope with their illness better, but still dies of that illness or doesn't die at all? Obviously, you would rathe... |
with this illness, a sense of hope and empowerment. The most substantial thing about this narrative and the notion of illness as a fight and as a battle is about viewing illness as an enemy, something that you are fighting against. And I think there are two key things that I want to remark about that particular view an... |
in which you have the power and the ability to fight back against that illness. And indeed the analysis for Milos would suggest that I am correct. Why is this important? The first reason this is important is because we think that the perils of dealing with an illness are such that it seeps into every aspect of your lif... |
the hands of other people, it is not something that you can control. And because you lose all senses of normalcy, it is easy for you to begin to view this illness as intrinsic to you and intrinsic to who you are. But with this narrative, it is something that allows you to feel more empowered because you feel like this ... |
for these individuals. Because we think psychological harms, as OG has conceded, are some of the greatest harms that illnesses inflict upon individuals. But second of all, and more critically, this gives people a sense, as I've said, a sense of choice and agency and causes people to actively work to combat their illnes... |
about, what this narrative is about, is it's about boxing in people who do not want to feel like they are fighting against the illness to fight against the illness. But that is not true. The reason why that is not true is because we think in these situations, there is a huge natural tendency for people to become hopele... |
situation in which they are told that they only have a couple more years to live, that they have a terrible illness. So I think what this narrative does is it fights back against the natural tendency of people to be hopeless and despondent in a manager that encourages them to fight back against their illness. This is i... |
and it makes it harder for you to enjoy your life. So having a psychological belief that you can fight against this is massively important. But it's not only important for people to feel hope and a degree of happiness during difficult times, but it also keeps them motivated. But also just intrinsically and scientifical... |
in this battle has significant effects on the success of that treatment. Our psychology is not distinct from our physiology and from our physical conditions. And when people believe that they can fight against this illness, they are more likely to defeat this illness that has been proven through studies. But even if th... |
<poi> |
What's the mechanism that people are going to believe this just because everybody else tells them they need to be a fighter? |
</poi> |
I mean, i think even opening government has bought into this mechanism, that people are influenced by this narrative. so i am not sure what you're getting at. you'd have to prove more that people don't buy into this narrative. and as i told you, there's a natural tendency for these people to feel hopeless. so now this ... |
Also, all of my analysis here applies to family members as well. Family members are more likely to feel hopeful in this situation. Secondly, on societal impacts. I think that this narrative is not solely individualistic. We also think of ourselves as having a societal fight against breast cancer or societal fight again... |
efforts to help them defeat it. And that looks like research funding research into cures and funding research into drugs, etc. that make these people's lives more bearable. So it is deeply unclear that opening government makes life better for people in terms of when they're coping for this illness. And regardless of t... |
</lo> |
<dpm> |
What we heard from Sharma is bunch of coherent arguments, why people fear hospital? What we heard from the leader of opposition is linguistically in a nice way said words that are not actual arguments, i am going to deal with that but before that just to remind you of some pieces of framing that you already presented i... |
And the specificities of life is bad and many have said in Milos speech have not been responded by leader of the opposition. But to tell you if you want to fight two responses, if you want to fight, if you're the person who views life that way, you can view life in nine different ways, you're already going to fight, yo... |
to give people more freedom and more choice in how they approach this disease. If you want to approach it in a fight, you don't need narrative to do so. What narrative does is accuse people who do not want to perceive it as a fight into perceiving it as a fight. And this is where the problem and this is where most of t... |
disease. If I don't feel bravery, I'm not feeling that cancer is external. I'm feeling that it is somehow part of my identity. Just because you say something is external, it doesn't make any logical sense. Most people want to live healthy lives if they have disease, and they will do everything with the disease that's i... |
not really good for a BP argument. It gives you agency. I told you one, many people will still feel even without this narrative that they are brave. But secondly, it takes away agency from those people who do not want to act to be brave, who want to talk to their friends and to their parents, to tell them how horrible ... |
Most likely, or those were most likely going to die. So if more if more people are going to survive because of this narrative, |
with all the medicine you wanted to survive, we believe that this statement just doesn't say in this debate. Regarding scientific stuff in debates, we say there are a bunch of other scientific studies that show completely opposite of what our opposition states, this equally valuable argument and this equally good argum... |
hope that there is hope just for the sake of telling you there is. And then when this starts going on and on, you still miss on those conversations that you still miss your conversation that Milos just told you about. What this causes you, this causes you to be alone and why this causes you to be alone because narrativ... |
worse because of it because of this narrative, then they're going to be less healthy and more people are going to die if they really want to run those kinds of impacts. Furthermore, what Milos told you, they completely disregard this, how this narrative is skewing your legitimate choice. Many people who have horrible d... |
People do not cannot rethink that choice because they're so afraid of the social stigma that's going to happen even if they're ill They don't even retain their choice then later for 30 40 years many people may have may feel regret about this, you know, there are many people who even we Who even we will confess to this ... |
toxic virtue signaling that uh and toxic which is courageously healing hat that occurs in this debate. I want closing if you have POI, please. Then opening. |
<poi> |
As i told you in my speech, the natural human tendency for people when they are told that they have six months left to live is to be hopeless. so this narrative actually helps people who want to be hopeful. be hopeful. your framing is incorrect. |
</poi> |
No, the natural tendency of people is that they want to survive because of biology. If doctor already tells you you have, you know, you have probably six months to live, what is much better is not to think, Oh, yes, you have, maybe you will beat it. You will beat it as Milos tells you and then not have conversations wi... |
multiple sclerosis, other autoimmune diseases, this narrative of bravery, what it does, it pushes people away. Okay, if your friend or family member has autoimmune disease, and you're like, yeah, you're so brave, you're so brave, then and you get all the time this, you know, dopamine rush, because people are telling th... |
years go by where you never have the appropriate conversations that you wanted to have with these people. As Milos already told you, if this narrative doesn't exist and people want to feel that they want to feel a warrior-like mentality when they're this, they're still going to do this because people are still going to... |
</dpm> |
<dlo> |
Honorable panel, it takes courage to live. It takes courage to live when the only world that you've known for the past few months, for the past few years of your life is pain. It takes courage to say, I want to push through this. I want to go through and I want to be alive. That courage isn't something that comes natur... |
Oh, you have the biological will to live because biology doesn't give you that courage. What it does is it sends you into despair. It makes you scared of death, makes you scared of the endless abyss of not knowing what happens when you die. We want to give people hope on opening opposition. We want to let them know tha... |
Three things in the speech. Firstly, I want to talk about the framing of this debate. After that, I want to talk about the individual psychological impacts. And lastly, I want to move on to the larger societal perception and impacts, which we see opening government has completely missed. Firstly, on the framing, who's ... |
to which they will actually die. That's to say that they are forced to face their own reality and which that's when they talk about coping with laws, picking and losing fight, right? They often characterize these as refusing as denying death right up until the day that you die, but that's often not true. In many of the... |
right? These are not the group of people who think that, oh, I have to fight this battle. It's the people who have a hook of living, who are not diagnosed as terminally ill, but still have a chance to live. These are the people in which the narrative affects most profoundly, right? So what is this narrative? What does ... |
the OG comparative is that you frame illness as an affliction, right? that's the narrative, is that it's something internal to you, and that your life is not as deterministic. it says outcome has already been decided. note that these weren't just assertions that we made. i don't think OG can get away with just being li... |
What that means is it sends us into a pool of anxiety. Similar for viewing illness as something internal to you, Tyson talks about how coping and dealing with treatments is something that consumes your life. It's so easy to view that as something intrinsic to you. These weren't just things that can be talked about. Oh,... |
and viewing illness as something that is part of you as opposed to something you're fighting is true for almost all people. It contains the entire scope of the debate that we're talking about. And then on opposition, we help everyone to some degree. Even people who are battle-hardy need this confirmation, need the cour... |
I want to talk about the individual psychological impacts. Firstly, undergoing the process of treatment. I want to talk about the worst case, even in the worst case in which that person is going to die anyways. We prefer that that person can cling onto hope to the day that they die. And their work, what did I write her... |
and you can see this in religion in the sense of luck. People will believe in these things even if they rationally might not completely understand them, even if they can't rationally convince themselves that it's true, they cling onto those things because it gives them comfort. And that's something that we think is inh... |
bring them comfort. But we also say that this helps their family. It's important for their family to be able to also have hope. Seeing your loved one go through treatment, seeing your loved one go through despair is not something to be taken lightly. And giving your family hope, the idea that things can turn out okay, ... |
Tyson talks about why the likelihood of successive treatment is much higher in our South house, because your psychological well being is actually closely tied with how well you're able to treat right, how accepting you are those treatments, how much you're going to take them regularly, how much you cooperate doctors, b... |
and their first instinct is to reach out to you and listen to what you have to say. So I think a lot of the cases in which OG hinges their case on aren't applicable here. People are naturally empathetic and that a lot of people are forced to accept. So let's talk about the worst cases that OG thinks in which what they ... |
significantly, but I want to say the cases, right? The people who are regretting alive versus the people who are glad that they had the courage to live. There's a reason why suicide survivors are often grateful of the fact that they're still alive. It's because when you're in pain, it's easy to forget about all the bea... |
</dlo> |
<mg> |
The particular piece of news that opening opposition misses is that agency is a subjective term or the illness and the grief and denial associated with it are processed over a long period of time and based on different people’s desires, happiness, and personality they create different responses. Some people need a figh... |
This is a trend that's already happening, not in professional areas like psychology, but particularly also in social media, where people very often go for solace, notes, subreddits, and pages like the Rt Dot. This means that given that this is therefore also a narrative, the most likely counterfactual given the majorit... |
But let's take opening opposition at their best within this debate. Let's say that survival is a benefit in and of itself, although we're unsure like this. The narrative that they're pushing is harmful for health. The idea that you should not seek emotional support because you will burden others, or this will show that... |
your issues. This kind of doubt, this kind of stress has literal physiological reactions in terms of how your body copes with its illness. Stress is one of the primary predictors of survival or death from terminal illnesses insofar as your emotional state is likely to be extremely vulnerable in that situation and you'r... |
to pay for your treatment. You're less likely to delegate duties to family and friends, things you would otherwise do, but now you cannot because you have to preserve your strength. You are less likely to be careful in so far as you're going to expose yourself to more risks, to more strain, or even like to more health ... |
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