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[1470.72 --> 1477.00] the command uh discussion that the hello world for making a command is just make a text file say |
[1477.00 --> 1485.24] named hello dot txp dot txt and you put uh world in the file and you just drag that into a special |
[1485.24 --> 1490.18] directory and then that immediately is a command and that direct by default that directory is just |
[1490.18 --> 1495.16] the commands directory in your home directory or any other directory that you designate as being in |
[1495.16 --> 1500.72] your your is a key path and you said earlier ruby python several languages just put those languages in |
[1500.72 --> 1505.80] there they run exactly just drop it in and then and yeah so where do you see the power something like |
[1505.80 --> 1511.44] that coming up like give us some examples of to expand on you know we've got some people listen |
[1511.44 --> 1514.88] to the show they're thinking okay well how can i be practical maybe they've already got some ideas but |
[1514.88 --> 1521.70] can you give us some things and some ways that you've used that specific feature set yeah sure um since |
[1521.70 --> 1527.78] it's so easy to make commands you know uh i've i've made a ton of them that like normally would would |
[1527.78 --> 1531.06] have taken me like way longer i've written eclipse plugins and it's that's like you know |
[1531.06 --> 1539.60] uh really big you know process to plan out what your ui is going to look like um and ziki you don't |
[1539.60 --> 1543.80] even worry about the ui you just dump out some text and it displays it to the user and then you can |
[1543.80 --> 1549.52] like fix it later make it look more organized later um a good example is just actually last night |
[1549.52 --> 1557.46] my friend jeremy and i uh got together and paired to make a heroku menu and we did it in like a half an |
[1557.46 --> 1564.04] hour it's just this flat file with kind of like if else if else and uh you type uh heroku on the |
[1564.04 --> 1570.68] command line um with ziki shell which is xsh it's the the new kind of easy way of interacting with |
[1570.68 --> 1580.50] ziki you can just type xsh space dash heroku and then it shows you uh heroku and then underneath that |
[1580.50 --> 1586.28] it lists out all your apps and you can move the cursor down and drill into each app and then it has |
[1586.28 --> 1590.22] items for each app of things that you want to do kind of like you know you would have in a gui |
[1590.22 --> 1596.14] uh so there's a config option underneath your heroku app you can expand that it shows you the |
[1596.14 --> 1603.20] config parameters and then you can edit and then uh save those back by control e the same way you |
[1603.20 --> 1610.78] expand and collapse you can there's a log item you can expand the log and um type to filter down |
[1610.78 --> 1617.40] um you can there's a browse option i actually just posted a video on the the kickstarter page and i |
[1617.40 --> 1623.38] tweeted it uh to at ziki on twitter uh if you want to check it out was that update or something like |
[1623.38 --> 1631.74] that so let's go let's get heroku back all right let's get heroku to back ziki yes my new strategy |
[1631.74 --> 1637.50] that's a nice way to get their support right yeah i hope it works that's that's my plan for getting |
[1637.50 --> 1643.48] that uh 50 of the kickstarter goal and put that link in the show notes then it's awesome yeah a |
[1643.48 --> 1647.42] ton of people retweeted that this morning it was awesome people saying like hey heroku check this out |
[1647.42 --> 1651.84] maybe you should back ziki yeah i'm gonna reach out to companies probably a bunch of different ones |
[1651.84 --> 1658.12] and tell them like hey there's a ten thousand dollar reward that will get your logo on um |
[1658.12 --> 1666.98] on ziki.org and xsh.org for a year and the eternal gratitude of the thousands of developers that |
[1666.98 --> 1672.34] are excited about ziki let's pause the show for just a minute give a shout out to our sponsor |
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[1720.88 --> 1728.04] i noticed in the screenshot at least of the opening video that you're talking about it's the |
[1728.04 --> 1735.88] ziki shell command so xsh it looks like a space and then a dash heroku yes yes is that what you meant |
[1735.88 --> 1739.82] is that what you said earlier did i miss that i think i said that okay because i thought you said |
[1739.82 --> 1746.12] because i know you can you can kind of pre-pin the the ziki show in front of something like ls and |
[1746.12 --> 1751.80] something and you can get that so this is a little different this is like a flag yeah if you pass a |
[1751.80 --> 1763.44] flag xsh xsh space dash foo that's a ziki command if you do xsh space foo that's it'll treat that as a |
[1763.44 --> 1767.38] shell command okay gotcha gotcha that's why i was trying to connect the dots out then yeah and they're |
[1767.38 --> 1773.04] kind of similar you can you can make both of them have um interaction like that's that's a new ziki |
[1773.04 --> 1782.60] feature if you type xsh space uh like who am i uh and then enter that'll open up who am i and it'll |
[1782.60 --> 1786.94] run it it'll show you the output indented two spaces underneath and if you double click on the |
[1786.94 --> 1793.30] or in a shell console it would be control e to expand the output uh then ziki will pop up and say |
[1793.30 --> 1799.16] like hey it looks like you're trying to interact with the output of this command um there isn't a |
[1799.16 --> 1803.80] wrapper for it yet do you want to create one and then you can it'll walk you through giving you a |
[1803.80 --> 1811.50] little template of just making a script in any language you want and then basically you make that |
[1811.50 --> 1819.48] output look at what was uh expanded and usually you make it like call you know shell out to the command |
[1819.48 --> 1825.28] and do something that's relevant so you can make wrappers for commands so you can interact with uh you |
[1825.28 --> 1832.50] know the outputs of you can just go in and expand the output of uh another good example is like uh ps if |
[1832.50 --> 1838.76] you want to kill processes i've got a wrapper built in where you can type xsh space ps and then you can |
[1838.76 --> 1843.22] go move your cursor down to one of the lines of the output and then uh control e to expand that |
[1843.22 --> 1848.12] and it'll kill the process for you so interacting with the output of commands kind of like it's a gui |
[1848.12 --> 1853.28] you know like you've got the you've got stuff on the screen sometimes you don't want to like type |
[1853.28 --> 1859.60] another command underneath that you know has uh retyping some of the output like it's right there |
[1859.60 --> 1865.50] why not just move your cursor down and say hey do the relevant thing to uh to this line of output |
[1865.50 --> 1872.22] that's awesome i've spent years i probably had this ingrained in my in my fingers now how to type you |
[1872.22 --> 1878.02] know ps aux pipe it into grep for a specific word and then grab the pid and kill the pid and it's like |
[1878.02 --> 1882.66] a two-step process that i've just done so many times i'm sure there's ways even inside just bash to make |
[1882.66 --> 1888.66] that you know more simple but being able to interact like a gui seems like it would really be beneficial |
[1888.66 --> 1894.16] to me in that specific circumstance this might be about the same time the listeners are saying things |
[1894.16 --> 1901.58] like is this real life my brain just exploded my mind is blown holy mother of god uh my life just |
[1901.58 --> 1906.96] changed forever these are quotes on your kickstarter but these are things that uh i'm sure people are |
[1906.96 --> 1912.46] saying because that's when i saw that i was like that's insane you know to be able to do that and |
[1912.46 --> 1917.50] like you said jared it's it's kind of like ingrained in your brain to type certain commands and certain |
[1917.50 --> 1923.30] flags to things and and grep for stuff when you don't really have to do that now it's it's you just |
[1923.30 --> 1929.98] made the lives of so many so much easier yeah thanks let's not mention the uh hacker news comments that |
[1929.98 --> 1937.22] are like you are an idiot i hate you that's just life right that's what happens yeah i wanted to |
[1937.22 --> 1941.40] kind of talk about the you know what is you know arguably a marketing campaign that you've had going |
[1941.40 --> 1947.96] because you've gotten sticky on tech crunch uh number one on hacker news i think linux journal it world |
[1947.96 --> 1954.62] um these are major outlets and you know it's a it's a shell console right i mean i'm not trying to |
[1954.62 --> 1959.96] belittle it but at the end of the day like tech crunch doesn't usually cover these things um |
[1959.96 --> 1965.04] how did you get so much exposure for a project that you've had put so much time into kind of |
[1965.04 --> 1970.24] behind the scenes and now all of a sudden explosion it's hard to say i think it's probably the videos |
[1970.24 --> 1976.20] i put a ton of time into into the videos and just implementing a bunch of features like i think the |
[1976.20 --> 1980.16] xsh thing recently kind of pushed me over the top and i was in the middle of the kickstarter i had all |
[1980.16 --> 1985.88] my friends advising me like hey spend your time like you know sending emails to people and reaching |
[1985.88 --> 1988.54] out to the media i was like no i'm just gonna hunker down i've got like you know |
[1988.54 --> 1994.84] uh 20 days left but i'm gonna spend five days implementing this xsh thing because i think i |
[1994.84 --> 2000.04] can make a video and people will just appreciate the like you know seeing that in action so just |
[2000.04 --> 2004.74] doing videos of showing a lot of cool stuff happening and getting rid of the pauses |
[2004.74 --> 2012.10] and getting to the point making yourself get to the point really quickly um yeah it's been it's been |
[2012.10 --> 2019.66] really cool um the the linux.com article and the the tech coach article were like almost more positive |
[2019.66 --> 2024.60] than i would have ever you know dared to dream about like they you know kind of said like uh |
[2024.60 --> 2029.72] particularly uh carla schroeder who's like just an amazing person she she wrote the um |
[2030.40 --> 2037.94] o'reilly's linux cookbook and the linux networking cookbook um she's like you know kind of one of my idols |
[2037.94 --> 2044.64] now actually and uh having her say like ziki is the next big thing in free and open source software |
[2044.64 --> 2050.20] and it's revolutionary and she doesn't use the word lightly that's just blows my mind and i'm so happy |
[2050.20 --> 2054.82] with that i did like reach out to a few people but i guess it kind of snowballed on the downside of it |
[2054.82 --> 2061.96] i've got like you know the big outlets like you said uh tech crunch in particular and giving me amazing |
[2061.96 --> 2067.42] coverage and i'm still just about at half of my goal so it's sort of bittersweet |
[2067.42 --> 2073.60] like where do i go from here you know this is something that tim caswell covered jared not not |
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