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[2577.00 --> 2581.80] yeah the whole thing was totally your idea i'm not taking any credit for it at all i'm a user of
[2581.80 --> 2585.32] it i was trying to share some credit with you no i don't want any credit it's all you man i mean
[2585.32 --> 2590.84] that was totally i was like really that's a great idea and like you let you outlayed the idea of how
[2590.84 --> 2597.16] you know trello is basically based on cards and uh titles they support markdown you know obviously
[2597.16 --> 2602.04] it's it's column based anybody who uses trello knows that we can make our own process in it and
[2602.04 --> 2605.40] like you laid out this idea and i'm like we could do that and you're like yeah and
[2605.40 --> 2613.48] you made it happen well i think i think it's a good idea the code is is trivial it's probably
[2613.48 --> 2618.60] less than 200 lines of total code to get it all going and we still have middleman in the process
[2618.60 --> 2623.64] so it's not it's not rendering html it's actually kind of dorky because it renders erb which renders
[2623.64 --> 2628.44] html but that was just the fastest way i could get it working um because i was already doing it
[2628.44 --> 2633.72] middleman we were i was using middleman and i was using erb templates not hamil templates to
[2633.72 --> 2638.52] create the the front end view which ends up becoming the html for the newsletter so right
[2638.52 --> 2642.36] middleman was in there not just the middleman it was actually middleman ruby middleman
[2643.24 --> 2649.40] yeah and so the wins are huge here so if you think about what our content is it's a series of
[2650.12 --> 2657.80] of posts um grouped grouped posts and they're ordered and they have titles and links and content
[2657.80 --> 2663.08] right copy yeah and that's basically what a trello card or trello is it's a list of lists that have
[2663.08 --> 2669.80] cards each of which has a title and a description which can support markdown yeah um the big wins were
[2669.80 --> 2676.76] like you can now comment around a specific uh card and that comment those comments are just meta right
[2676.76 --> 2682.68] they don't actually go into the issue but we can discuss certain uh stories inside of the issue
[2682.68 --> 2690.28] um we can post from anywhere you can email in stuff um they have apps so you can you know do it on your
[2690.28 --> 2699.32] iphone or on your tablet or whatever um you can just drag and drop reorder things uh it just it
[2699.32 --> 2704.44] actually makes a whole lot of sense it changed the world of it i mean like i let's let's take it for
[2704.44 --> 2710.92] example issue 34 which will ship tomorrow um and when we first got on this call uh jerry was like hey
[2710.92 --> 2714.12] we're gonna ship weekly stay up tomorrow and i was like ah i think we might take a break he's like
[2714.12 --> 2720.28] well it's mostly done because jared went in here and and took care of projects and repos there's a
[2720.28 --> 2725.80] video link in there and a couple from the ping repo and i'll go in there and add some headlines and
[2725.80 --> 2731.72] some preview text for or the editor's note and call it pretty much a day and and ship it and if it
[2731.72 --> 2739.48] weren't for the collaboration that trello offers us to make this happen and you know i would i would be
[2739.48 --> 2744.60] behind the eight ball it could it's friday we're recording this on a friday at 4 p.m central standard
[2744.60 --> 2751.32] time and it's got to ship tomorrow morning you know if i had to put together what is the change law
[2751.32 --> 2757.80] weekly myself tonight you know it would be back to april 5th again and i'd be upset yeah it's just not
[2757.80 --> 2766.04] good right and for me i mean i'll just say that using trello in this capacity almost makes it more fun
[2766.04 --> 2772.12] like definitely just makes so much sense that it's like reinvigorates you to want to do it because
[2772.12 --> 2778.04] it's so stinking easy compared to anything else um like like i said i'm a big jekyll fan so i've
[2778.04 --> 2784.52] been using jekyll for my blog for years and there is still something about like i don't know i live in
[2784.52 --> 2789.72] my text editor all day as a as a developer so you know writing inside of a text editor i like markdown
[2789.72 --> 2794.92] but um i don't know there's still this barrier of like publishing and all that that happens with
[2794.92 --> 2799.56] jekyll with me um i know there's a lot of tools that are out there that are trying to you know like
[2799.56 --> 2806.12] remove that friction and provide web-based tools or mobile tools most of them i get ideas for my
[2806.12 --> 2812.04] writing on the go or i'm on the go and i want to write a little something and the fact that i can just
[2812.04 --> 2817.40] throw open in the case of weekly just throw open the trello app and just write a description real
[2817.40 --> 2823.00] quick or rearrange a thing just makes me do it more often it's really cool so um we have had some
[2823.00 --> 2828.44] people who are interested in that process and i have a blog post that's at least it's outline it's
[2828.44 --> 2833.00] an outline format right now i'll be filling in the details and we'll publish that here sometime
[2833.00 --> 2840.28] hopefully in january yeah we'll share uh i think we talked about at some point open sourcing the code
[2840.28 --> 2844.44] too it's not that we don't want to keep it or anything like that it's just not shareable uh i don't
[2844.44 --> 2849.88] know how to describe that shareable in a good way um at this point it's sort of just hodgepodge just it
[2849.88 --> 2854.12] doesn't it's not going to make any sense to anybody else but right you know we want to open up that
[2854.12 --> 2859.88] process and share that code and share the process that that you came up with and share some screenshots
[2859.88 --> 2865.80] of what we do and right i think i think like i said the code is is pretty trivial you're just using the
[2865.80 --> 2869.88] the trello api and it's just a few hundred lines it's very specific to what we're doing but i think
[2869.88 --> 2875.64] the process itself is novel yeah and so that would be even more beneficial to share that exactly very
[2875.64 --> 2882.60] novel i think it brilliant brilliant brilliant idea honestly and what i love most about it too is that
[2883.16 --> 2891.56] whenever um and if ever we you and i begin to invite others in to help curate and and create what is
[2891.56 --> 2896.28] the change law weekly or maybe even other newsletters in the future yeah um we can just invite them to
[2896.28 --> 2902.60] that trello board right you know and boom you know they're an editor of of what's there and that's
[2902.60 --> 2907.96] their accounts are there commenting their label we use labels like a draft and a sponsor labels
[2908.52 --> 2911.40] to help generate markup there's so much infrastructure already there
[2912.28 --> 2916.84] that it's like you i just feel like we're cheating almost yeah i do i feel like we're cheating too
[2916.84 --> 2922.28] because because it's so easy now and everybody who's listening to this is probably like i want to see
[2922.28 --> 2927.32] what you're talking about well you're gonna have to wait till 2015 because that's where we're going
[2927.32 --> 2934.12] we're wrapping up 2014 um we'll we'll blog about it jared's got a draft in place please when you write
[2934.12 --> 2939.24] that jared don't give me any credit i want to just be a consumer of it you're the creator of it it was
[2939.24 --> 2945.64] such an awesome idea and i'm so thankful too for that because like you said it sort of liberated us
[2945.64 --> 2951.16] because now the process is fun we can drag and drop things we can comment back and forth before the
[2951.16 --> 2958.36] process was totally behind the scenes it was totally sort of in my inbox and i was my own enemy i was my
[2958.36 --> 2964.44] own bottleneck and it was non-collaborative and now it's collaborative and that's really great so i
[2964.44 --> 2969.24] think it's it's just turned out really awesome yeah i think the credit needs to go to fog creek because
[2969.24 --> 2974.68] they they they created such a versatile tool i mean i use this thing for so many different use cases who
[2974.68 --> 2981.64] would have thought that a list of lists would be so stinking useful yeah and it really is so yeah
[2982.76 --> 2989.08] well let's uh we did have some of the topics to mention is that do you think we should even just do
[2989.08 --> 2995.56] a quick read of those and then call it call it a show or what you know it's too teasing i don't know
[2995.56 --> 3001.48] man your call all right i'll read them all real quick uh this is just some topics we we planned on
[3001.48 --> 3006.20] maybe because this was totally an off the cuff show so if you're listening this far thank you
[3006.68 --> 3012.68] it was just a an end of year thanks show from us we we love doing the show we love the fact that you
[3012.68 --> 3018.76] all listen to the show we love doing the show for you and and for the community and so when we had
[3018.76 --> 3024.68] some scheduling conflicts happen we couldn't not ship an issue or another episode before the year ended
[3024.68 --> 3029.32] and we figured it made just just a lot of sense to come back and just say thanks to everyone along the
[3029.32 --> 3035.48] the way that have um helped us supported us you the listeners you the members sponsors and everyone
[3035.48 --> 3041.32] else who have made this show possible just to say some thanks but um some topics we did write down we
[3041.32 --> 3046.52] weren't sure we're gonna go through but uh i'll read them real quick here and feel free to stop me
[3046.52 --> 3053.80] jared if if anything tickles your fancy so you got go on github that's recently go is now um open source
[3053.80 --> 3058.20] on github it's it's always been out there but it hasn't always been on github and they turned five this
[3058.20 --> 3062.20] year so that's that's kind of neat and that sort of shows the history of the change log too because
[3062.68 --> 3068.36] the the third show of the change log had rob pike on it and that was when we first started so that's
[3068.36 --> 3073.72] five years old uh dotnet core is open source now which is kind of neat we just had a show on that
[3074.60 --> 3080.04] uh also moved to github so it seems like the trend this year has been so and so moving to github and
[3080.04 --> 3087.64] actually if you put that search into twitter moved to github so m-o-v-e-d to github you'll find all
[3087.64 --> 3095.00] all sorts of cool projects moving from xyz to github gatorius whatever uh just uh follow that that
[3095.00 --> 3100.36] little search term on twitter you'll find some cool stuff um node.js has had tons of changes
[3100.36 --> 3106.84] um we started out the end of last year with aaron hammer talking about black friday and um
[3107.48 --> 3112.44] node doing really awesome for walmart we ended that pretty much 2013 talking about that and here in
[3112.44 --> 3118.20] 2014 it's you know become you know one of the most used uh programming languages out there and
[3118.20 --> 3122.28] then here at the end of the year we've had some uh i guess the last six months we've had some drama
[3122.28 --> 3128.04] happen we've had some corporate weirdness happen some corporate weird sponsorship happening that we
[3128.04 --> 3134.20] don't want to sort of um we're not that's not what this show's about but we plan to dig into some of
[3134.20 --> 3139.88] that if at all possible and then here most recently it was forked and now there's a fork of it called
[3139.88 --> 3149.00] io.js and that's that's sort of uh crazy there we talked about ember the road map to 2.0 uh we
[3149.00 --> 3154.20] talked a little bit about something unique that uh yehuda and tom share which was learning from others
[3154.92 --> 3161.72] um in the community and focusing on community was with some things they've done there um rust