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[1382.66 --> 1387.12] said all right great let's do it as a hangout right and you know i was i was working with this uh |
[1387.12 --> 1391.32] person another person setting it up and kind of got the ball rolling and then jason was like whoa |
[1391.32 --> 1397.94] you know not cool you know it's like all right crap i i just shot myself in the foot again right |
[1397.94 --> 1402.88] it's an opportunity cost and it's an opportunity cost that i do feel uh but at the end of the day |
[1402.88 --> 1407.86] it's a decision that i'm making you know in full knowledge that it's you know this is the path i've |
[1407.86 --> 1413.52] kind of chosen for myself kind of painted myself in this corner uh you know but you know gidip is still |
[1413.52 --> 1418.90] growing well enough and and we're still doing well enough that you know i haven't felt fundamentally |
[1418.90 --> 1424.78] that it's the wrong decision yet um yeah i think it's it's it's still the way i'm i'm going you |
[1424.78 --> 1429.20] know but i'm i am trying to hear these other voices like uh shanley's especially in and that side of |
[1429.20 --> 1435.82] things because it's not an absolute it's not an end in itself the the purpose you know in my mind |
[1435.82 --> 1443.40] what i'm trying to do with open companies is is is bust open governments and corporations like i look |
[1443.40 --> 1446.42] at government and i look at corporations i look at snowden right that's something that happened in |
[1446.42 --> 1452.42] the past year you know since we talked last i look at snowden i look at the nsa um and you know |
[1452.42 --> 1458.22] and wikileaks you know in their own time and and you know that's crappy i don't like that right so |
[1458.22 --> 1462.70] what am i going to do about it um you know my activism in this regard you know i i see that and |
[1462.70 --> 1470.32] my answer is um i'm going to try and and live my own life in a way that's you know that that's not |
[1470.32 --> 1476.04] closed in secret right i'm going to try and live i'm going to try and create the system in that |
[1476.04 --> 1483.22] i don't know in in which snowden is a moot point right you know in which there's nothing to leak in |
[1483.22 --> 1489.24] the first place pretty much you know what i mean yeah so you know which isn't for everybody and |
[1489.24 --> 1492.72] that's fine but like that's that's where i'm coming from with this right it's not transparency for |
[1492.72 --> 1497.74] its own sake and it you know it can come across kind of cartoonish on the internet because that's the |
[1497.74 --> 1502.36] internet right like that's uh you know that's memes it's like boiling stuff down to their you |
[1502.36 --> 1507.38] know caricatured essentials but you know obviously it's more sophisticated than that right like i've |
[1507.38 --> 1513.80] got people on my team that don't do video calls for one reason or another you know well we have a |
[1513.80 --> 1520.58] daily stand-up every day at noon uh you know that we use google hangouts for we live stream right so |
[1520.58 --> 1529.28] i've got this you know quite apart from kind of the high level abstract level discussion i was having |
[1529.28 --> 1533.94] with shanley last night like there's real concrete realities in in my life and running my business |
[1533.94 --> 1539.12] that are already uh you know that have already called into question the absoluteness of this open |
[1539.12 --> 1544.60] ideal and and and you know have been forcing not forcing because i want it right it's like we're |
[1544.60 --> 1549.62] trying to nuance this i don't want no open company isn't a cartoon it's a reality right i want it to be |
[1549.62 --> 1555.72] real and that means taking into account uh you know the the sophistication of it and the nuance of |
[1555.72 --> 1561.00] it um and we're already dealing with that so we so in the case of the stand-ups and people not wanting |
[1561.00 --> 1569.30] to be on video for for various reasons um that's fine so we just we we take their stand-up report in irc |
[1569.30 --> 1575.94] and we read it uh you know we read it on the video and they watch the video from wherever right and so |
[1575.94 --> 1582.38] then you know it's not violating uh their uh the their own what i want to say |
[1582.38 --> 1589.08] their own terms of privacy that they've negotiated with the internet you know because we each have to |
[1589.08 --> 1593.10] negotiate our own relationship with the internet and that looks different for different people |
[1593.10 --> 1599.74] and you know gidip and open companies are not about railroading people into one single right way |
[1599.74 --> 1606.08] dogmatic way to do it um i'm saying look i am privileged and as much as possible i'm going to |
[1606.08 --> 1610.96] share my privilege with as many people as possible you know that's what i'm trying to do here and you |
[1610.96 --> 1614.14] know if you're coming out from a different point of view i'm going to respect you i'm not going to |
[1614.14 --> 1618.62] violate your confidentiality your privacy we do have private channels support at gidip.com is a |
[1618.62 --> 1623.28] confidential channel um you know my phone number that's a confidential channel well except for the |
[1623.28 --> 1631.00] you know they listen to their users you got to give them credit yeah right right yeah but you know |
[1631.00 --> 1637.52] i don't violate confidentiality you know and and what i do that's a bug and i try to apologize for it |
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[1698.16 --> 1705.22] was at least two times i probably like you i have i'm an idea guy i try and think and jeremy you can |
[1705.22 --> 1709.46] back me up on this i try to think outside the box i try to be a dreamer to some degree and my wife is |
[1709.46 --> 1713.58] probably if she's listening to this which she's not live but maybe she listens to it later i don't |
[1713.58 --> 1719.12] know why but uh she's she's probably thinking like absolutely he's a dreamer but there's been several |
[1719.12 --> 1725.00] times that i'm like i want to align what we're doing with the changelaw and open source and support |
[1725.00 --> 1730.24] and just in general encouragement to the community and the beautiful things that are coming from it |
[1730.24 --> 1735.16] there's been several times i want to chat with you and i'm like yeah i don't i don't mind making |
[1735.16 --> 1741.08] it open it's just it's so early the idea is so fresh it you know i'm just not quite oh you know |
[1741.08 --> 1745.30] cool with being so open like you are and i hesitated to reach out because i thought you know you'd be |
[1745.30 --> 1750.76] like yeah we can't have that conversation because i have to do it on google hangouts oh this just got |
[1750.76 --> 1755.80] real adam it's just got real stack this is great because you're right yeah you and i we've interacted a |
[1755.80 --> 1759.64] bit i i don't remember the you probably remember the email i'm like hey can we talk and i never |
[1759.64 --> 1764.12] responded because i was like we got to do it open i'm like i just i just couldn't get past it and i |
[1764.12 --> 1770.06] got busy again so you know there's that span of time there so i can appreciate someone extreme like |
[1770.06 --> 1775.38] like shanley in her case where she's getting threats and obviously there's certain like you said |
[1775.38 --> 1779.84] negotiated privacy terms you have with the internet for someone like her in her position and someone even |
[1779.84 --> 1785.14] like my position still having reservations you know yeah yeah and what i want to say is |
[1785.14 --> 1790.38] dude i love you you know and like i'm i'm not out to force you to do anything that you're not |
[1790.38 --> 1799.02] comfortable doing right and you know it seems like where that leaves us is a bit of an opportunity |
[1799.02 --> 1805.24] cost on on both of our sides right it's like um and there's so there's some you know there's some |
[1805.24 --> 1809.42] sadness on my end for that it's like well you know yeah it would be nice to work together right but |
[1809.42 --> 1813.80] yeah i've i don't know we have similar interests i would say don't you think |
[1813.80 --> 1817.82] yeah absolutely right so there's there's a lot of there's a lot of overlap and so |
[1817.82 --> 1826.42] um you know i but look it's a tricky thing all around right like and you know we've each got our |
[1826.42 --> 1830.76] life outside the internet too right like there's plenty of stuff that you're not finding out about |
[1830.76 --> 1837.04] me on the internet you know like like i'm i'm bigger than wit 537 and you know you're bigger than |
[1837.04 --> 1842.22] adam stack like we've all got these fuller richer lives and you know part of where i'm coming from is |
[1842.22 --> 1849.94] like uh you know i i want to i want to privilege that a little bit too you know it's like look like |
[1849.94 --> 1856.72] it's it's maybe okay if you know if if we don't get to pursue this together because we've each you |
[1856.72 --> 1861.14] know our lives are abundantly rich right it's like we've all got plenty of relationships and plenty of |
[1861.14 --> 1865.92] things to work on plenty of projects on the internet and fun stuff to do and then you know families and |
[1865.92 --> 1872.82] and and kids and you know and dogs and cats and you know just like stuff we love doing right and |
[1872.82 --> 1880.58] i don't know life life is abundantly rich and uh i don't know i can only feel so bad for so long for |
[1880.58 --> 1886.24] like for losing an opportunity over that because it's you know because life is so rich and because |
[1886.24 --> 1890.80] it's i don't know those are those are kind of the terms i've negotiated for myself is like |
[1890.80 --> 1895.50] part of it is that it is a limiting factor right i think i actually say this i posted a |
[1895.50 --> 1900.74] a blog post about my interview policy or a web page i put it up on my website right so here's my |
[1900.74 --> 1906.90] interview policy and in there i say you know maybe i'm being narcissistic like we all have to manage |
[1906.90 --> 1913.34] our time somehow and this you know this turns out to be one way to do it right it's like it it's |
[1913.34 --> 1920.40] i don't know man if there was if there's something if there's like a real if there's a real safety |
[1920.40 --> 1926.48] concern or a security concern of course i'm going to take any phone call and keep it private and |
[1926.48 --> 1933.90] confidential right so uh you know if you if you really you know if anybody i don't want to i don't |
[1933.90 --> 1938.30] want anyone to get the impression that's a baseline right i'm talking out loud i'm glad don't worry |
[1938.30 --> 1942.26] about it good it's okay am i going to the right direction you know there's like so so it has to be |
[1942.26 --> 1948.24] there have to be these tiers to it right it's like so fundamental foundational if there's if |
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