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[3470.46 --> 3476.00] um for things like caching and even static file serving i would recommend probably in production using |
[3476.00 --> 3483.72] nginx over martini's you know static handler just because of efficiency um the knowledge that's out |
[3483.72 --> 3491.14] there the documentation that's out there yeah um and speed so so future of martini uh big plans |
[3491.14 --> 3499.00] little plans what are you thinking um probably little plans uh again i want to keep martini |
[3499.00 --> 3505.70] consistent and small there's not a whole lot left to add to it but there's certainly a lot of value |
[3505.70 --> 3510.34] that can be built up over in packages and handlers and middlewares especially in the martini |
[3510.34 --> 3515.16] contrib repository there will be a point where martini contrib will hit critical mass but i'm |
[3515.16 --> 3520.98] hoping by that time martini will be popular enough to where it's valuable for somebody to publish a |
[3520.98 --> 3525.86] separate package on github that people will then recognize oh it's for martini and they can actually |
[3525.86 --> 3530.78] pull it in and use it it hasn't reached that point yet because the go community is still fairly small |
[3530.78 --> 3536.30] and so martini contrib kind of acts as that curation a one place where everybody can go to see like |
[3536.30 --> 3543.88] what are the latest cool packages to use um but in general uh you know i'm excited to see what 2014 |
[3543.88 --> 3551.44] brings in in terms of go and their their versioning story because that has come up a couple times with |
[3551.44 --> 3560.18] martini i have some solutions of my own that i'm kind of working on in secret um but um i'm hoping |
[3560.18 --> 3568.56] i'm hoping i can bring martini to a version 1.0 where i uh where obviously the api won't have any |
[3568.56 --> 3575.38] um breaking changes and i try my best not to break any most changes but there are there is one change |
[3575.38 --> 3583.06] in particular which will break a you know one little thing that nobody really uses um and once i bring it |
[3583.06 --> 3588.18] to 1.0 it's it's not going to break from there so i'll probably apply uh the semantic versioning principle |
[3588.18 --> 3596.42] to that and be able to um to develop the code from there cool chair with your with your uh question |
[3596.42 --> 3602.94] i guess on the future of of martini do you think you meant from a contrasting difference between say |
[3602.94 --> 3608.50] a framework like rails is that what you meant by that because i was kind of curious if |
[3608.50 --> 3614.28] you know martini's expectation is to be something like rails ever in the future to be that kind of |
[3614.28 --> 3620.58] web development framework i was mostly just trying to get a just a general idea of where he was going |
[3620.58 --> 3625.98] to take it next but i think probably and jeremy correct me if i'm wrong i think the answer to that |
[3625.98 --> 3634.08] is probably not gonna is no yes okay i'm sorry i mean yes no is the answer i think i said that sentence |
[3634.08 --> 3641.04] oddly but yeah that's that's okay um yeah i mean i think there's there is i mean there's uh revel |
[3641.04 --> 3648.78] um which is you know kind of in the spirit of of a framework like rails where it it it its goal is |
[3648.78 --> 3654.96] to be very productive and it does a lot of things for you and that's not um the space that martini is |
[3654.96 --> 3663.40] trying to um occupy at all which is good because part you know the way i structured martini i was kind |
[3663.40 --> 3667.78] of being lazy about it i was like i don't want to like spend a million hours like maintaining this |
[3667.78 --> 3673.92] and i don't want to have like a million like to do's um on this project and so and that's been |
[3673.92 --> 3678.72] that's been somewhat successful i haven't had to contribute a whole lot of code to martini you know |
[3678.72 --> 3683.20] relatively a whole lot of code so what's the what's the end users say then whenever they think okay |
[3683.20 --> 3687.76] revel or martini how do they make their choice what are some of the things they should ask themselves |
[3687.76 --> 3695.36] um really what kind of app are you building and um you know what what you want your what you want |
[3695.36 --> 3701.86] your maintenance to to look like because uh building something off of a minimal framework |
[3701.86 --> 3707.52] and then a full featured framework have uh they both have uh different maintenance stories i'm not |
[3707.52 --> 3711.54] saying one is worse than the other in particular i'm just saying they there's different ways to |
[3711.54 --> 3717.42] maintain it you know rails like something like rails i feel like we build layer on top of layer on top of |
[3717.42 --> 3722.26] layer on top of layer and with a minimal code base um maintenance looks a little different it's a |
[3722.26 --> 3730.86] little easier to rip stuff out and to rethink the problem if um if requirements change um and you know |
[3730.86 --> 3736.74] you you kind of mentioned it earlier and you hit the nail on the head earlier martini was built out to |
[3736.74 --> 3742.44] solve some of the problems in distributed web applications where you have multiple services that |
[3742.44 --> 3747.32] um you know do one thing really really well and you have those intercommunicate between each |
[3747.32 --> 3754.06] other and the industry is trending trending to that as a whole and so that's that's the space in the |
[3754.06 --> 3758.64] little niche that i think martini will really fill is building these small applications that |
[3758.64 --> 3765.84] you know the code can be really small and concise and reusable across you know different applications |
[3765.84 --> 3773.42] gotcha cool jared anything else for uh for your your uh your questions |
[3773.42 --> 3782.02] inquiring minds no uh yeah you know if andrew here which he's uh which he's not at this at this |
[3782.02 --> 3789.12] moment uh i don't think so andrew you here no he's not here um he would ask uh he would say we have |
[3789.12 --> 3794.30] three questions we typically ask at the end of the show uh and this is one of my favorite questions |
[3794.30 --> 3798.58] we get to ask which is who is your programming hero it could have been somebody that was just |
[3798.58 --> 3802.40] influential in your life it could have been you know a mentor it could have been a teacher it could have |
[3802.40 --> 3809.04] been you know it could have been your dad whomever but who is the programming hero for you oh man that's |
[3809.04 --> 3819.60] going to be a hard one um uh i would have to say uh at the moment and this is going to sound super |
[3819.60 --> 3828.50] cheesy because i'm on a podcast talking about go but uh a lot of those unix guys like like rob pike |
[3828.50 --> 3837.52] and rob kernigan like they they're pretty awesome i i i'm a self-admitted you know unix lover i love |
[3837.52 --> 3842.56] just the way the philosophies around it and how it's structured and there's obviously flaws around it |
[3842.56 --> 3849.50] but um in general it's very in line with how i like to build applications so um a lot of minimalism |
[3849.50 --> 3857.02] a lot of uh you know build build apps that do one thing really well um you know i fall in line with |
[3857.02 --> 3862.56] that philosophy so those old school guys that have uh done a lot to influence you know modern computing |
[3862.56 --> 3871.42] as a whole um i love it so if you were if you were not coding go or i guess goes on a language i guess |
[3871.42 --> 3876.16] sorry goes language i was taking martini my bad if you weren't coding and go what would you be coding |
[3876.16 --> 3880.72] and i guess you kind of do that by day you don't always just code and go so yeah what else do you |
[3880.72 --> 3891.08] hack in uh so i mean uh ruby um kind of whatever language is possible i do some c and c plus plus |
[3891.08 --> 3897.56] some ruby some um every once in a while i'll dive in and do some objective c with iphone apps javascript |
[3897.56 --> 3905.96] um you know more go stuff touch some c sharp on on multiple projects um so i'm kind of |
[3905.96 --> 3911.28] willing to dive in and uh i kind of have a pretty open mind i think if a community is somewhat |
[3911.28 --> 3917.92] successful that there's got to be some uh there's got to be some hope in and and some some little |
[3917.92 --> 3923.42] golden nuggets in in how they operate um so i think every every community has at least something |
[3923.42 --> 3930.62] to say as far as how software should be developed and so i'm i'm adventurous in that way where i like to |
[3930.62 --> 3939.06] uh find out what those answers are let's uh try a different angle at that what's um what's on your |
[3939.06 --> 3943.68] radar what's what's some fun open source projects that we haven't quite talked about on the show |
[3943.68 --> 3947.86] maybe something you haven't even uh written yourself but what's out there that's interesting |
[3947.86 --> 3952.84] that you want to hack on whenever you have a free weekend or something you have you know you got |
[3952.84 --> 3958.64] four days you got nothing to do what would you hack on um probably i would take a deep look into |
[3958.64 --> 3964.24] uh what the ecosystem looks like for functional languages right now um and and start to find |
[3964.24 --> 3971.74] some real use cases for me um obviously like as a programmer we're hearing that we're running into |
[3971.74 --> 3977.54] this paradigm shift where we need to do more parallel computing and and you know having side effects is |
[3977.54 --> 3983.10] just a hindrance to that and so functional languages are going to become more popular um but i don't think |
[3983.10 --> 3989.84] it's hit that um mass yet to where imperative programmers or people like me who have you know |
[3989.84 --> 3998.72] grown up as a developer that's you know programming imperative the whole time um we we haven't found |
[3998.72 --> 4006.16] the like practical use cases for for functional languages everything i i try to see with like a |
[4006.16 --> 4010.20] haskell implementation just seems so academic and i was like okay well so like how can i write something |
[4010.20 --> 4016.72] for kajabi like this so i i i'll probably i probably have that on my radar if i yeah if i were to go to |
[4016.72 --> 4023.02] a cabin for four days i'd probably look at haskell and be like i need to i need to find a way to make |
[4023.02 --> 4028.04] this useful for me um what do you think what do you think would write maybe if you because i mean you |
[4028.04 --> 4032.74] would have no internet right i would have no internet so i'd probably have to write some command line |
[4032.74 --> 4039.54] apps um and do some crazy craziness but i don't know if i'd exactly be able to tell you what i'd write |
[4039.54 --> 4044.80] cool well why don't you take that trip someday and get back to us that's right i might suggest if |
[4044.80 --> 4051.22] you're in a cabin without any internet and you're like on vacation maybe have a beer sit out enjoy the |
[4051.22 --> 4057.68] outside let's put come on guys we can put the computer down for a few days oh yeah totally and |
[4057.68 --> 4062.56] then we get back because i'm getting lots of whiskey and a cigar i mean that sounds yeah you're not way |
[4062.56 --> 4067.52] better than programming haskell you're not gonna learn let's get real here without the internet come on |
[4067.52 --> 4072.70] yeah that's what i was gonna say um that's cool man yeah jeremy it's been fun having you on the |
[4072.70 --> 4078.68] show i know that uh you kind of get to bounce around quite a bit in your uh in your working |
[4078.68 --> 4083.30] with the web and and programming and obviously you've done some pretty cool stuff to share on |
[4083.30 --> 4088.68] github and we appreciate you know your perspective with martini and how you want to keep it clean and |
[4088.68 --> 4093.02] how you're kind of guiding that ecosystem and just coming on the show and and sharing that and |
[4093.02 --> 4097.56] maybe even giving a little twist of the arm via twitter to to get onto the show but you were |
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