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[4097.56 --> 4103.74] definitely on our list sir that's for sure oh awesome well i'm so glad to be on the on the podcast |
[4103.74 --> 4109.24] again uh newer fan but but a big fan and i'm just it's it's awesome talking to you guys i love talking |
[4109.24 --> 4113.90] shop it's been good having you back on the show too jared i know i haven't had you back on with me |
[4113.90 --> 4119.94] since uh since katrina's show really right so it's been a bit yeah it's been a while good to be back |
[4119.94 --> 4124.30] i'll have to get you back on the show more often man right on we'll have to make that our mission |
[4124.30 --> 4131.34] but um i also want to give a another shout out to our sponsors digital ocean whom we love new relic |
[4131.34 --> 4137.42] whom we love and top tile whom we love which uh those are our sponsors for this show but our friends |
[4137.42 --> 4143.76] at digital ocean want to pay you so if you write open source like we've talked about today if you got |
[4143.76 --> 4148.38] a project out there they want to pay you to write a tutorial about your project for the digital ocean |
[4148.38 --> 4153.18] community best of all they'll give you 50 bucks and then promote it for you on their twitter account |
[4153.18 --> 4158.30] so if you've written martini maybe you can write a uh tutorial and they'll promote it to their 21 000 |
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[4195.58 --> 4200.80] that url is top tile.com slash developer and that's it for this week jeremy thanks again for coming on |
[4200.80 --> 4205.50] the show it's uh definitely great having you on the show and the listeners we thank you for listening |
[4205.50 --> 4210.02] and for your support and if you haven't yet uh we do have an email we ship out every saturday |
[4210.02 --> 4214.86] it's called the changelog weekly um and we we share everything everything that hits articles for |
[4214.86 --> 4220.10] i know martini made an appearance at one point and i think even the blog post that jerry was |
[4220.10 --> 4225.32] alluding to earlier on jeremy we had that in weekly as well but you can subscribe at |
[4225.32 --> 4232.64] thechangehold.com slash weekly we'll be back next week and until then let's say goodbye see ya see ya |
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• Introduction to the podcast and its sponsor, Digital Ocean |
• Guests Lars Bach and Seth Ladd, co-founder and developer advocate for Dart, respectively |
• Overview of Dart, a new language and platform for scalable web app engineering, started by Google |
• Discussion of Dart's features, including a clean and simple syntax, class-based object-oriented language, and compatibility with JavaScript |
• Explanation of Dart's compilation to JavaScript, and its virtual machine, Dartium |
• Comparison of Dart with other languages, such as CoffeeScript, and its goals for the web and browser ecosystem |
• Dart language and libraries being translated to JavaScript |
• Benefits of using Dart in its own VM, including faster execution and development process |
• Optional typing in Dart, allowing for faster experimentation and later adding of types |
• Future goals for Dart, including making it a viable option for developers to target the web |
• Need for a better structured programming language and library handling in Dart |
• Readability and maintainability of Dart code, including not hoisting variables |
• Goal of providing developers with the same level of tools and productivity as native platforms |
• Ubiquity of Dart and its potential for use in any environment |
• Dart's focus on web client applications and server-side development |
• The benefits of Dart's ability to span from client to server |
• The importance of efficiency and productivity in programming |
• Dart's platform and tooling, including a package manager and editor |
• Comparison to Go and similarities in approach to tooling and productivity |
• Dart's language design and goal of ease of use for programmers |
• The Dart community and open development process |
• Dart's standardization process through the ECMA specification process |
• FreshBooks is a cloud accounting solution that simplifies tax season and day-to-day business |
• The speaker uses FreshBooks 5-10 times a day for various tasks, making their life and others' lives easier |
• The speaker promotes a 60-day free trial for FreshBooks |
• The conversation shifts to Dart, a programming language, and its development process |
• The developer of Dart shares its history and progress, including the language's stability and standardization |
• The developer discusses the language's design and the effort to create a clear semantics and documentation |
• The developer highlights the language's ease of use and the fact that developers who have tried it are happy with its performance |
• Importance of curly braces and semicolons in language design |
• Need for efficient translation to JavaScript |
• Iterative design process for language features |
• Omission of non-local returns due to performance issues |
• Influence of Smalltalk on Dart language design |
• Optic model borrowed from Smalltalk for efficient optimization |
• Trade-offs between flexibility and robustness in language design |
• Restrictions in Dart to ensure predictable behavior and performance |
• Importance of tool chain checks for valid code usage |
• Discussion on the simplicity and elegance of a programming language, specifically Dart, and its execution model. |
• Importance of a simple execution model for programmers to understand what's happening in the program. |
• Advantages of Dart's simple semantics, such as lexical scoping, making it easier for programmers to understand the code. |
• Comparison between Dart and JavaScript, highlighting Dart's predictability and ease of experimentation. |
• User experience with Dart, feeling the same way as with Smalltalk, with a focus on making the program better and more robust. |
• Discussion on how Dart makes it easier for programmers to experiment and innovate. |
• Overview of Dart's structure, including classes, libraries, and packages, and how it facilitates experimentation and growth. |
• Mention of Dart's FAQ section as a valuable resource for learning about the language. |
• Question about common pitfalls or gotchas for JavaScript developers transitioning to Dart. |
• Discussion on the lack of eval in Dart and potential issues for developers accustomed to dynamic code execution. |
• Positive experience with internal and external hackathons, demonstrating Dart's approachability and ease of use. |
• The ease of use of Dart for web development, specifically with its comprehensive basic library and synchronous programming capabilities |
• Comparison of Dart's querying of the DOM to jQuery's selectors, finding it more straightforward and efficient |
• Discussion of Dart's collection types, such as lists, arrays, sets, and maps, and their usability in web development |
• Mention of Google's internal use of Dart, including a sales tool and the Google Elections app |
• External examples of companies using Dart, such as Soundtrap and Blossom, for building web applications with features like webRTC and media support |
• Introduction to New Relic, a tool for monitoring and analyzing web application performance. |
• Dart can be integrated with existing JavaScript apps by swapping out components for Dart components, allowing developers to adopt Dart without rewriting the entire app. |
• The goal of Dart is to make web development more efficient and productive, and to make the web platform better over time. |
• Dart is an open-source project, and its development is community-driven, with Google's involvement but not ownership. |
• The Dart project is seeking to innovate and improve the web platform, and its success will be measured by the adoption of Dart by developers and the improvement of web development efficiency. |
• The project's goal is not just to catch up with current web programming trends, but to move web development forward and make it more productive and efficient. |
• Dart's performance will continue to improve with each release, and it aims to match the performance of system programming languages like Java, but with a more structured and safe approach. |
• The last release of Dart, 1.3, focused on server-side performance, and the project's virtual machine can run on the command line, allowing for server-side development with Dart. |
• The conversation is about the Dart programming language and its ecosystem. |
• The speakers discuss the importance of trying out new languages and platforms to improve efficiency. |
• The Dart language and its tools are introduced, including the Dart to JS compiler and the analyzer. |
• A recommended way to get started with Dart is through the "Try Dart" code lab on the Dart website. |
• The speakers mention the importance of developing and testing for mobile devices. |
• A call to arms for the community is to try out new languages and platforms to improve efficiency. |
• The speakers answer a series of questions, including their call to arms for the community, what they would do if they weren't doing their current job, and who their programming hero is. |
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