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**Brian Ketelsen:** That everybody's right... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, that's a wrap... I'm gonna split on a high note... \[laughter\] We should take our first sponsored break, though... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's time - exactly time. I was supposed to watch that. It's exactly time right now. Take a sponsored break, Erik. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright. So our first sponsor for today is Toptal. |
**Break:** \[21:41\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Alright, we are back, talking with Ashley McNamara. So just before this sponsor break we were talking about your talk, and inspiring future Gophers and veterans... Brian, did you have a take on this? |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I definitely do. I was thinking at it more from the veteran angle. It's already been mentioned, but my favorite idea about hearing the journey talks from multiple different angles is increasing adoption and how we can lower that friction and make it easier for anybody anywhere to come into Go. I kno... |
**Ashley McNamara:** I agree. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think the "Like me" story is really important, too. We all have people we relate to, and when you can see somebody who's very similar to you in your upbringing and your journey, and they can see what their journey could look like a year or two from now, if they just kind of stay the course, I thi... |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, that's a very good choice, because Ashley said that she feels that maybe it's pretentious to do a talk like that, and I assume it's because she doesn't have ten years of experience... But I think not necessarily that it's better - I think it's good to have different perspectives from a pers... |
**Ashley McNamara:** \[24:07\] Yeah, you're absolutely right. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** They will relate to that talk a lot more than if you have 15 years programming in Go. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I think that some of the most moving parts of talks like these are hearing some of the failures, too... Where people can see that it's not all perfect, that other people struggled and they failed and fell off and got back on, and things like that. I think that's part of the motivating thing. I mean... |
**Ashley McNamara:** I might mic drop anyway... I mean, if I'm gonna be holding a mic, I feel obligated to mic drop. But yeah, there are way more failures than successes, which is part of the job. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Alright, that's it - mic drop or get the hell out. Those are the rules. |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yes. |
**Erik St. Martin:** I have an idea now... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Yeah? |
**Erik St. Martin:** We totally need to build some kind of statue or a toy of a gopher doing a mic drop that we give all speakers... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Oh my god! The best speaker gift ever! |
**Ashley McNamara:** Give me a week. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Do it, we're in! That's so awesome! |
**Ashley McNamara:** That's happening |
**Erik St. Martin:** You might just have to get it made. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Drop the mic... We can get it made pretty easily. Oh, that's beautiful... Wow. I just got a little shiver. |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yeah, give me a week. That will exist. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's so nice having friends in high places. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Right?! |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Every time I turn around, Ashley's like "Hey, I made you a logo for X project." I'm like "Are you kidding me? That's so awesome!" \[laughter\] |
**Erik St. Martin:** Do you know what the hard part about having people in these positions are? We will never teach ourselves, because we don't have to. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, I don't need to learn how to make pretty things on Photoshop, or whatever you guys use for that pretty stuff... |
**Erik St. Martin:** I just don't have the creativity... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** See, you're doing that impostor thing. What you need to do is visualize small steps towards your success, Erik. |
**Erik St. Martin:** Do I picture an eye first, and then the microphone, and... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** No, it's like that thing that's always traveling the internet - you draw the two circles, and then the next step, finish the owl. \[laughter\] |
**Ashley McNamara:** Just like that! |
**Carlisia Thompson:** So how did gopherize.me came about? Did you have the idea? |
**Ashley McNamara:** No, it was not my idea at all. I just take credit for it. So I was creating these avatars... I created them initially for GopherCon, because I wanted to have placeholders for the speakers, and I love punny things, so I wanted to name them, so it was all really selfish. Eventually I ended up making ... |
**Erik St. Martin:** Yeah, [Matt Ryer](https://twitter.com/matryer). |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yeah, super helpful. It would have taken me a lot longer than 24 hours to draw it myself. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** I'm gonna tell you... That made me mad. The tweet happened at like 8 o'clock in the morning, so the first thing I did was register a domain. And I thought as soon as work is over, I'm gonna start on this. By the time work was over, it was done. Damn you, Matt Ryer! |
**Ashley McNamara:** He's so quick! He's so quick! Yeah, I feel bad... For only like a couple hours. |
**Brian Ketelsen:** Quarter of a millisecond? |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yeah... |
**Brian Ketelsen:** That's alright. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Do you know how many avatars have been generated with that? |
**Ashley McNamara:** \[28:00\] I haven't looked at the analytics in a while... But every day I see at least one avatar on Twitter, at least. They're every everywhere, which is awesome! |
**Brian Ketelsen:** It's my entire Twitter feed... And Slack, too! |
**Ashley McNamara:** Yes. |
**Carlisia Thompson:** Yeah, I totally adopted it as my avatar. |
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