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[2370.10 --> 2370.74] I have a lot, |
[2371.54 --> 2373.14] it's easier for me to give empathy |
[2373.14 --> 2374.06] to that person |
[2374.06 --> 2375.06] when they're giving me a review, |
[2375.18 --> 2375.46] being like, |
[2375.56 --> 2377.02] oh, they didn't mean that to hurt my feelings. |
[2377.02 --> 2378.24] They're just giving me feedback. |
[2379.24 --> 2381.74] But sometimes because we are a big company, |
[2382.38 --> 2383.38] like sometimes you're getting a review |
[2383.38 --> 2384.80] from somebody you don't know. |
[2384.94 --> 2386.80] And so you don't always know if that's the case. |
[2387.16 --> 2388.58] So I think it's easier |
[2388.58 --> 2389.76] when you're working with somebody you know. |
[2390.38 --> 2391.96] If English isn't their first language, |
[2392.16 --> 2393.60] I always have an easier time being like, |
[2393.66 --> 2394.58] oh, they didn't mean it. |
[2394.64 --> 2395.94] Like in a way that hurts my feelings. |
[2397.62 --> 2398.88] Sometimes that's harder for me |
[2398.88 --> 2400.34] to like get to that point |
[2400.34 --> 2402.64] if it's somebody who isn't |
[2402.64 --> 2403.86] like a native English speaker. |
[2403.86 --> 2405.80] And it's one of those things |
[2405.80 --> 2408.12] I think is easy to make assumptions around, |
[2408.12 --> 2408.94] which is why I brought up |
[2408.94 --> 2410.56] like working with somebody |
[2410.56 --> 2411.90] who is like neurodivergent. |
[2412.06 --> 2412.54] It's just like, |
[2413.22 --> 2414.04] that's not always something |
[2414.04 --> 2415.36] you can tell right away. |
[2415.50 --> 2416.88] And so it's easier to tell |
[2416.88 --> 2418.98] when English isn't somebody's first language. |
[2419.42 --> 2421.64] But I try to like take that empathy |
[2421.64 --> 2423.08] that I learned working with those colleagues |
[2423.08 --> 2424.92] and bring it to all my other colleagues as well. |
[2425.32 --> 2426.94] It's also interesting to think of that. |
[2427.22 --> 2429.48] I mean, yes, English is not native language. |
[2429.48 --> 2431.32] That's like a very good differentiator. |
[2431.70 --> 2433.44] And also different cultures |
[2433.44 --> 2436.68] have different relationship with feedback |
[2436.68 --> 2438.02] or even saying somebody, |
[2438.22 --> 2438.96] you did something wrong. |
[2440.34 --> 2441.90] Yeah, that's a good point. |
[2442.38 --> 2444.32] Being the only person who is not in the US, |
[2444.72 --> 2446.06] I would actually love to hear |
[2446.06 --> 2447.86] like your perception on this. |
[2447.94 --> 2448.64] I know you keep on saying |
[2448.64 --> 2449.76] we need to hear from the guests. |
[2449.82 --> 2451.44] And I agree, these wonderful guests. |
[2451.92 --> 2453.38] But I would love to hear your experience. |
[2453.48 --> 2454.56] I mean, I got culture shock |
[2454.56 --> 2455.52] moving to the US, |
[2455.54 --> 2457.36] but I wasn't reviewing PRs in London. |
[2457.36 --> 2458.50] And you are a native speaker. |
[2458.98 --> 2460.12] Yes, and I am a native speaker. |
[2460.36 --> 2461.66] So I have those two things |
[2461.66 --> 2463.90] which make it slightly easier coming in. |
[2463.90 --> 2466.18] But I would love to hear your perception |
[2466.18 --> 2467.06] and kind of what you've heard |
[2467.06 --> 2468.04] from colleagues, friends, |
[2468.54 --> 2469.32] and your experience. |
[2469.86 --> 2471.78] Almost all the teams that I worked in |
[2471.78 --> 2472.88] are quite mixed |
[2472.88 --> 2474.48] because Europe is a lot easier |
[2474.48 --> 2476.86] for work relocations. |
[2477.68 --> 2478.90] The green card and so on |
[2478.90 --> 2480.10] exists in the US, |
[2480.22 --> 2481.54] but it's quite harder |
[2481.54 --> 2483.32] than just the work visa in Germany |
[2483.32 --> 2484.52] or other European countries. |
[2484.70 --> 2486.36] So I don't remember the last time |
[2486.36 --> 2488.18] I worked in a team |
[2488.18 --> 2489.66] where everybody comes from the same country. |
[2489.86 --> 2491.84] Or we had like more than 10% |
[2491.84 --> 2493.06] native English speakers. |
[2493.06 --> 2495.16] Although English is always the main language |
[2495.16 --> 2497.24] because you need to have something |
[2497.24 --> 2498.58] that is not the programming language. |
[2499.32 --> 2500.58] And I think in the beginning, |
[2500.82 --> 2503.06] I used to have some kind of misunderstandings |
[2503.06 --> 2505.68] exactly because what was said, |
[2506.08 --> 2508.96] like understanding empathy, |
[2509.16 --> 2510.70] understanding they did not mean that, |
[2510.80 --> 2511.60] they meant this, |
[2512.06 --> 2514.12] coming across myself |
[2514.12 --> 2515.82] sometimes as a bit more, |
[2516.32 --> 2517.92] why don't you say that in a nicer way? |
[2518.04 --> 2518.54] And so on. |
[2518.54 --> 2522.36] And so definitely there is all sorts of bounds |
[2522.36 --> 2523.16] there to strike. |
[2523.32 --> 2526.04] And it's very interesting to hear |
[2526.04 --> 2527.90] how people cope with that. |
[2527.96 --> 2529.76] And it's also obviously written |
[2529.76 --> 2533.10] is even less easy to understand, |
[2533.26 --> 2534.32] like written communication |
[2534.32 --> 2535.46] in comparison to speaking, |
[2535.94 --> 2536.92] to spoken communication. |
[2537.10 --> 2537.86] And even in spoken, |
[2537.98 --> 2540.00] you can easily get lost and so on. |
[2540.58 --> 2542.72] And intonations mean different things. |
[2542.72 --> 2545.08] It's the thing about cultures that say |
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