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**Jerod Santo:** Cool dude. And since that show went out, I've had lots of follow-ups from people, kind of affirming what I said on the show, which is that everybody kind of has different definitions for what these are... And so there's no consistency, and so that's kind of meaningless to a certain degree. However, I d... |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, can we guess? |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah, go ahead and guess. |
**Mat Ryer:** So what are the four options? |
**Jerod Santo:** It was coder, programmer, developer, engineer. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, right... I think engineer is the most serious-sounding. So if you're really serious about building -- you know, because proper software engineering is really hard. It's basically impossible, isn't it? If we're honest... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] It's basically impossible... |
**Mat Ryer:** It's just this side of impossible, which is why we still do it... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Mat Ryer:** So I think that might be the choice if the Changelog audience are kind of like quite serious about their work. |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. |
**Mat Ryer:** What do you think, Natalie? |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** I would say developer. |
**Jerod Santo:** Okay. Good guesses, because those two tied for first place? 42% each. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, interesting. |
**Jerod Santo:** And this was a pretty good sample size. We had a few hundred people reply, so it wasn't like a GoTimeFM poll, where we get 23 votes. Come on people, follow GoTimeFM and vote on our unpop polls. We need you, we need your help. The Go community depends on YOUR votes. |
**Mat Ryer:** \[01:06:00.28\] Yeah. And how am I going to get hair transplant if we don't get more listeners on Go Time? So come on, everyone, listen in. Listen harder! Go and listen to the ads twice. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. |
**Mat Ryer:** Go listen to the ads twice! |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** And answer the poll. |
**Jerod Santo:** And answer the poll, yeah. Okay, so 13% of respondents were happy to be called a programmer. 3% of respondents want to be called coder. |
**Mat Ryer:** Really?! Coder... No one wants it. |
**Jerod Santo:** Yeah. In Leslie Lamport's video that we're referring to, he defines coding and programming as two different things. And this was something that people said to me was that coding is like typing. And developing or programming is much more than just typing. |
So my unpopular opinion - this is a huge setup; we're going to cut this part out of the video. My unpopular opinion is that it's inappropriate to compare coding to typing. So if you're a writer, and you do all the things that writers do, think of the story, the characters, your ideas, design the story, etc. and then yo... |
If you're a developer, and you go doing all the things that a developer is going to do - plan, make decisions, test things, estimate some points wrongly, whatever you're gonna do, and then you go to write the software, I think it's inappropriate to say that the coding part of a developer's job is akin to the typing par... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yes, I know exactly what you mean. When I first read that, I thought they were saying that coding is really just the act of getting it into the editor. And the programming is happening outside of that, and it's the bigger thing. But you're right, definitely between typing and coding -- I mean, you have to... |
**Jerod Santo:** Nobody wants to be a coder. |
**Mat Ryer:** Honestly, I thought that sounded the coolest. But I might be out of -- have I reached the age now where I don't know what's cool? |
**Jerod Santo:** It might be an age thing, because I think programmer is an older term, that I think probably people who've been around longer -- I mean, it used to be programmers write programs. But then programs became apps, and programmers kind of became developers. I don't know why or when, but it seemed like that ... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. |
**Jerod Santo:** Out of vogue. But coder is like - nobody wants to be that. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** I think to me, when I hear code, I'm thinking of code monkey. I heard this term so many times in the negative context of somebody saying "I want to do more than being a code monkey." I think this could be a reason. |
**Jerod Santo:** That's a good point. Maybe that's why people associate it with that, that concept of "Just take a ticket and do the coding, you code monkey." And like, we don't want to be put in that box. That might be true. |
**Mat Ryer:** That could be it. I understand that. But in a way, I quite like being modest. But then I'm in a position where I can't be. Obviously, not everyone can just be immediately modest. But you have to sell yourself when you get into your career, and stuff. But I like it when you see people that have invented co... |
**Jerod Santo:** Right. We'll see. |
**Mat Ryer:** But I quite like developer, because it sounds it's developing; it's never finished. An engineer - you're almost like at some it'll be engineered, and then it's done, and it's delivered. Whereas there's something nice about the fact you're telling people "This isn't going to be finished. So get that out of... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] Well, when I think of engineering, I think of like building a bridge, which is very much rooted in years and years of physics, and math, and... |
**Mat Ryer:** Metal... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[01:10:23.01\] ...known equations. And we can engineer a bridge, and then it's done. |
**Mat Ryer:** Tarmac... |
**Jerod Santo:** We know exactly what it's capable of, and what it will buckle under. And I don't feel like software is ever that. We're learning constantly. It's more like that whole flying a plane, or changing it while it's flying, or something. |
**Mat Ryer:** No, it's true. It's because the speed at which we can iterate, and that feedback loop actually, which is one of the points that's come up a few times throughout this. Having a feedback loop, and having a short feedback loop. That is what enables to move quickly, because you can try things, walk back if yo... |
**Jerod Santo:** \[laughs\] |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Perfect way to finish this episode about velocity. Gentlemen, thank you for joining. That was fun. I don't know if you can hear in the outside it's the firework of Berlin celebrating the sunset of the longest day of the year. |
**Jerod Santo:** Oh, wow. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** It's done. The day is done. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, congrats, Berlin. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** It happened. It's been a pleasure spending it with you. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, well, a long day, but... |
**Jerod Santo:** We talked to you all day. |
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