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[3484.50 --> 3485.78] at each other always warring
[3485.78 --> 3487.44] always territorial species quite
[3487.44 --> 3488.96] often most of us are just like
[3488.96 --> 3490.60] these we just want to help our
[3490.60 --> 3492.64] fellow people out it's been too
[3492.64 --> 3493.52] long since I worked at
[3493.52 --> 3496.04] Wikipedia but I mean here's this
[3496.04 --> 3497.26] thing this is amazing cultural
[3497.26 --> 3498.94] treasure and anyone can go and
[3498.94 --> 3501.16] graffiti on it at any time and
[3501.16 --> 3502.30] like something like one in a
[3502.30 --> 3505.02] thousand edits are spam right
[3505.02 --> 3506.76] like I mean think about what
[3506.76 --> 3509.16] that says as like to exactly your
[3509.16 --> 3510.98] point Chris right like actually
[3510.98 --> 3513.90] most of the time most people we
[3513.90 --> 3515.58] all want to make this work right
[3515.58 --> 3519.90] and open source open data are very
[3519.90 --> 3523.90] much I think like genuinely amazing
[3523.90 --> 3525.94] that's why I enjoy doing it right
[3525.94 --> 3528.56] like there are a lot more lucrative
[3528.56 --> 3530.34] things probably all of us could be
[3530.34 --> 3532.16] doing with our lives but yeah it's
[3532.16 --> 3533.60] human and humane in a great way
[3533.60 --> 3536.02] lovely note to end the episode we're
[3536.02 --> 3537.38] gonna have to get you back for a part
[3537.38 --> 3540.00] two for sure but before we let you go
[3540.00 --> 3541.52] we're gonna be doing a little bit of
[3541.52 --> 3543.20] unpopular opinions
[3543.20 --> 3565.12] so over to you Lewis what is your go
[3565.12 --> 3567.94] time on popular opinion oh boy I mean
[3567.94 --> 3569.18] the one I have in the show notes is
[3569.18 --> 3570.48] absolutely the one I already nailed
[3570.48 --> 3573.16] which is hey we should all be paying
[3573.16 --> 3574.94] for this right we got it for free for
[3574.94 --> 3578.32] a long time and that train is running
[3578.32 --> 3580.94] out for very human decent reasons
[3580.94 --> 3582.62] right like it's not like I think
[3582.62 --> 3584.40] companies are bad for having used this
[3584.40 --> 3587.26] stuff but as Chris was saying sometimes
[3587.26 --> 3589.98] you raise that employee company I will
[3589.98 --> 3591.84] never forget so there was this project
[3591.84 --> 3594.48] that I was invited to like yeah come to
[3594.48 --> 3595.94] a meeting about right I won't be
[3595.94 --> 3598.00] specific but it was one of many many
[3598.00 --> 3599.86] many many many open source metadata
[3599.86 --> 3602.64] projects and people went on for like
[3602.64 --> 3605.58] about 45 50 minutes and I was like okay
[3605.58 --> 3608.10] but why are volunteers gonna create all
[3608.10 --> 3612.18] this metadata for you quiet silence quiet
[3612.18 --> 3614.86] silence okay but why what's their
[3614.86 --> 3617.22] motivation I don't know it's probably
[3617.22 --> 3619.18] just gonna happen needless to say that
[3619.18 --> 3621.80] project is has not really gone much of
[3621.80 --> 3624.50] anywhere but I was treated as like a
[3624.50 --> 3626.60] pariah and like literally not invited to
[3626.60 --> 3629.02] future meetings for a while because I had
[3629.02 --> 3631.30] dared to ask this like question of why
[3631.30 --> 3633.50] would people do this unfortunately I
[3633.50 --> 3636.26] still get that all too often I think to
[3636.26 --> 3638.24] be fair lots of people are getting the
[3638.24 --> 3639.90] message finally but it's taken longer
[3639.90 --> 3642.06] than I should have that's my sadly
[3642.06 --> 3643.92] unpopular opinion today it's like that
[3643.92 --> 3645.46] meme about that guy that's being thrown
[3645.46 --> 3646.60] outside of the window
[3646.60 --> 3650.28] wait which thrown outside of the window
[3650.28 --> 3651.84] now I gotta google this where it's like
[3651.84 --> 3653.36] they're all in the meeting this comic
[3653.36 --> 3656.12] strip that oh yeah yeah yeah yeah
[3656.12 --> 3659.24] mm-hmm yeah yep been there go
[3659.24 --> 3661.72] intrigued to see how unpopular or in fact
[3661.72 --> 3665.48] popular that opinion is and then I want to
[3665.48 --> 3667.36] ask you Chris for an unpopular opinion
[3667.36 --> 3669.08] given that we're just getting you back
[3669.08 --> 3670.84] and I'm sure you have something on your
[3670.84 --> 3673.40] mind you always do I have so many
[3673.40 --> 3675.92] unpopular opinions I don't think this is
[3675.92 --> 3677.96] gonna be unpopular so I think most people
[3677.96 --> 3680.10] probably agree but it's like a thing I
[3680.10 --> 3681.58] want to put out into the universe more
[3681.58 --> 3685.10] and that is that every tech company
[3685.10 --> 3689.50] larger than probably 20 or 30 people
[3689.50 --> 3693.20] should hire a librarian we create
[3693.20 --> 3696.34] ridiculous amounts of information but
[3696.34 --> 3697.86] then we usually just dump it into a
[3697.86 --> 3699.64] wiki and then we're like we'll be able
[3699.64 --> 3700.94] to find it just use the search
[3700.94 --> 3702.98] functionality or we like try and make a
[3702.98 --> 3705.60] docs page and we're like users will be
[3705.60 --> 3707.06] able to find stuff and it's like there's
[3707.06 --> 3709.22] an actual degree program of people who
[3709.22 --> 3712.04] like get doctorates and how to arrange
[3712.04 --> 3714.50] information so people can find it like
[3714.50 --> 3717.98] go hire them like it's not you don't
[3717.98 --> 3719.26] even have to like they're not even that
[3719.26 --> 3721.24] expensive to hire like just go get a
[3721.24 --> 3723.18] couple like a librarian and archivist and
[3723.18 --> 3725.66] then make your data and your information
[3725.66 --> 3727.50] just much more clean and much more