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[3727.50 --> 3729.74] organized it will probably help you make
[3729.74 --> 3731.06] a lot more money in the long run and
[3731.06 --> 3732.80] make your engineers less frustrated with
[3732.80 --> 3734.80] the world how come not all database
[3734.80 --> 3736.66] companies in Google and so on hiring
[3736.66 --> 3739.00] librarians and archivists to do this
[3739.00 --> 3740.48] I'm assuming people don't hire
[3740.48 --> 3742.68] librarians because they just never a I
[3742.68 --> 3743.66] think most people don't know what
[3743.66 --> 3745.60] librarians actually do I think most
[3745.60 --> 3747.00] people just think librarians are the
[3747.00 --> 3748.92] people that like can help you find
[3748.92 --> 3751.38] books in the library and they don't
[3751.38 --> 3752.86] think much more about that they don't
[3752.86 --> 3754.32] think about like that but how do they
[3754.32 --> 3756.18] help you find the books they're just
[3756.18 --> 3757.94] like yeah they just help me find stuff
[3757.94 --> 3759.64] so I think that's part of it and it's
[3759.64 --> 3762.34] just like a unless you're unless you sit
[3762.34 --> 3763.78] down and think about what the problem
[3763.78 --> 3765.34] is I don't think it's like that kind of
[3765.34 --> 3766.72] clear thing you're not going to look
[3766.72 --> 3769.22] necessarily outside of the world you
[3769.22 --> 3770.46] exist in you're gonna be like oh no
[3770.46 --> 3772.88] this is the world like you know we can
[3772.88 --> 3774.42] do this with computers we can just write
[3774.42 --> 3776.40] some code that'll do some indexing and
[3776.40 --> 3779.10] that'll work like I always look at books
[3779.10 --> 3780.82] and I always look at like the indexes
[3780.82 --> 3783.26] they have and I'm like someone is
[3783.26 --> 3785.48] trained probably has like a high-level
[3785.48 --> 3788.32] degree and how to actually pick what
[3788.32 --> 3791.20] words go in an index that's like a
[3791.20 --> 3793.30] really challenging job because there's a
[3793.30 --> 3795.78] crap load of words in a book like well
[3795.78 --> 3797.38] which ones do I pick and put in that
[3797.38 --> 3799.26] it's like well no that's like a hard
[3799.26 --> 3802.32] job and yet books forever well maybe
[3802.32 --> 3803.72] forever forever but for a very long
[3803.72 --> 3805.26] time had indexes and it's like well we
[3805.26 --> 3807.70] should probably get those people but
[3807.70 --> 3808.70] yeah I think most of the time it's like
[3808.70 --> 3810.74] we as technologists are just like no no
[3810.74 --> 3812.88] our our technology will just do it for
[3812.88 --> 3815.26] us we'll write some stat stuff or some
[3815.26 --> 3817.34] ML or AI or whatever and it can
[3817.34 --> 3819.34] obviously replace the thing that humans
[3819.34 --> 3820.46] have been doing very well for a very
[3820.46 --> 3821.98] long time even though we have no idea
[3821.98 --> 3824.36] about that degree program or industry
[3824.36 --> 3826.34] is at all typical things that we do
[3826.34 --> 3828.08] the Times published a book review
[3828.08 --> 3830.90] yesterday of a book on the history of
[3830.90 --> 3833.04] indexes which apparently has like three
[3833.04 --> 3836.12] separate indexes this book on indexes so
[3836.12 --> 3838.46] it looks really interesting and I promise
[3838.46 --> 3840.92] I did not tee that up it's not over
[3840.92 --> 3844.52] company yeah the New York Times actually
[3844.52 --> 3845.62] does some really good work
[3845.62 --> 3851.78] I genuinely forgot that there I'll drop
[3851.78 --> 3856.02] your check off later just a discount on
[3856.02 --> 3857.72] my subscription that's all I ask
[3857.72 --> 3861.26] watch it it has been an absolute pleasure
[3861.26 --> 3862.92] having you on the show thank you so much
[3862.92 --> 3865.06] for joining us it's also wonderful to
[3865.06 --> 3866.90] have you back Chris and wonderful as
[3866.90 --> 3869.74] always to have you like co-presenting
[3869.74 --> 3873.42] with me and regrettably we're now gonna
[3873.42 --> 3876.10] have to say goodbye so thank you all I'm
[3876.10 --> 3877.78] hoping to have everyone together again
[3877.78 --> 3879.86] soon absolutely thank you
[3879.86 --> 3888.04] if you enjoyed hearing from Lewis on
[3888.04 --> 3889.84] this topic take a listen to JS Party
[3889.84 --> 3893.16] episode 188 that one's called we ask a
[3893.16 --> 3895.58] lawyer about github copilot and that
[3895.58 --> 3898.36] lawyer is you guessed it Lewis via I
[3898.36 --> 3900.04] loved that episode and I learned a lot
[3900.04 --> 3902.94] from it you might too at jsparty.fm
[3902.94 --> 3905.58] slash 188 and of course you gotta
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