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**Ron Evans:** It was so sweet. Now with these quantum semi-positions... You never really know, are you hot, are you cold? Are you nine days old? You just don't know anymore. But being able to create safe software that was able to run really mission-critical things, like the things that were inside of airplanes, and ca... |
But back then, when humans were being protected by other humans, occasionally, Go could have really been the language, if only they had said "We need to focus on making a language that's safe enough to use in these kinds of embedded and mission-critical systems." That would have been great. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. You talk about those quantum variables... I genuinely did see some code ones where somebody set a value in the code, and then underneath they set it again, just to make sure. That was genuinely what they'd written... Which I thought was just amazing. |
**Ron Evans:** I think we've had some nights when we were at the cocktail bar where we couldn't tell true from false, Mat, back in those days. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, that can happen. |
**Ron Evans:** Now it doesn't really matter... It's all true. It's all false. Let the quantum processes decide. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Is it because all the memory units are more sensitive to cosmic radiation now that there's no ozone? |
**Ron Evans:** Well, also when you're building something that's gotta survive a two-year trip to Mars, believe me, your mp3s sound pretty funny by the time the ship gets to its destination. Or so I've been told. I don't know. Actually, those might be AI sending back those reports. There might even be no humans that sur... |
**Mat Ryer:** How's it going around? Who's it going around? |
**Ron Evans:** Social media still exists in 2053. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, thank goodness. I don't know what I'd do without it. |
**Ron Evans:** I use Minder... You know, it's where you dump your actual mind directly... |
**Mat Ryer:** That's cool. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Is it text, is it visual? |
**Ron Evans:** It's more like a feeling. |
**Mat Ryer:** It's just Hex |
**Ron Evans:** Remember the feeling you used to get when there was somebody being wrong on the internet? It's like that all the time. |
**Mat Ryer:** \[laughs\] Is it XML though? |
**Ron Evans:** No, you just plug directly into your brain-computer interface and you're just really mad right away. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, I love it. |
**Ron Evans:** Yeah, it's beautiful. |
**Break:** \[35:22\] |
**Mat Ryer:** RageCage talked about wanting more module features. They're really like workspaces that came in 1.18... But what about that? Do you think Go is doing alright with modules? Do you think we need to do better? Are there things in particular we should look at? |
**Ron Evans:** Oh, modules and packages... Ugh. That was a thing, like, right in the beginning everyone was complaining back in those days... They're like, "You know, I just wanna pull in code from anywhere, do whatever I want", they were looking at JavaScript with envy... That was before JavaScript was responsible for... |
**Mat Ryer:** \[laughs\] I knew that. |
**Ron Evans:** It was just too many cursors spinning all at once, and suddenly "BOOM!" It caught on fire. It was terrible. |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, it turns out computers can sweat, and then they set on fire, and burn down forests. Well, that's horrific. I always knew you couldn't trust JavaScript... I mean, literally. |
**Ron Evans:** But yeah, managing packages, and then rando packages showing up, just because somebody got mad on the internet one day and they decided their package was going to turn hostile, and then somebody else was like "Hey, come with me. Here, have a bunch of drinks", and then like "Hey, is that your 2FA device? ... |
**Mat Ryer:** No, no. Yeah. |
**Ron Evans:** Anyway... |
**Mat Ryer:** Anyway. |
**Ron Evans:** Package management, and modules, and module protection, and also being able to consume code from other languages and not have to rewrite everything in a single language - yo, that really would have made a big difference, because if we'd only had that, then there would have been the bio-pharmaceutical reb... |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah. Just get Clippy straight in your brain. |
**Ron Evans:** We could have avoided a lot of that if we'd only done proper security management in packages, and if we'd only taken all that seriously. |
**Mat Ryer:** Mm-hm... |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** That is important. Another thing that is interesting... \[unintelligible 00:39:46.23\] is saying we should just not implement JS-like promises, and so on, and it will be great. |
**Ron Evans:** Well... |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Is it looking promising? |
**Ron Evans:** It's going back to that semantic warfare against the concepts of the Go programming language. We don't promise you, okay? We GO DO IT. |
**Mat Ryer:** \[40:08\] \[laughs\] |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** Is that a new keyword? |
**Ron Evans:** As soon as we strayed away from that philosophy... Uh-oh, I think we're breaking up. We're getting quantum interference. |
**Mat Ryer:** Oh, no. |
**Ron Evans:** I'm getting quantum interference. Hello. |
**Mat Ryer:** Hello? |
**Ron Evans:** Can you hear me? Hello? |
**Mat Ryer:** Yeah, yeah, we hear you now. |
**Natalie Pistunovich:** We hear you. |
**Ron Evans:** I think the security forces might be outside... I heard the sound of some servos earlier, and they might be looking for me. I'm not sure. They might know what I'm doing. |
**Mat Ryer:** \[unintelligible 00:40:32.06\] is amazing, by the way. I know it's not good for podcasts, but we just want people to know at home the effort that Ron has gone to. We're gonna have to post some pictures of this on our GoTimeFM Twitter channel, because you won't believe it. |
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