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• Dot tech domains are used by companies like self-driving AI and crypto app startups |
• Crab Nebula's larger picture is to create a distribution network for the Towering ecosystem |
• Crab Nebula's initial focus is on consulting and auditing, but their long-term goal is to provide tools and solutions for signing and distributing software |
• The company is building dev tools and a platform to scale and make it easier to distribute software |
• Crab Nebula's goal is to become a key player in the Towering ecosystem, but not the only one, by creating a platform for distributing and signing software. |
• Discussing the potential completion of Towery, with some arguing it's never truly finished due to underlying platform updates |
• Mention of an open-source browser, with some skepticism about its feasibility and the resources required |
• Reference to the maintenance aspect of Towery, with some arguing it's a necessary part of the project's ongoing development |
• Discussion of a grant to verify the use of Servo as a web view target for Towery apps |
• Comments on the potential for building an open-source browser, with notes on the complexity and resources required |
• Personal anecdote about the origins of Towery and its community, including the idea of expanding its reach with other projects |
• Mention of the possibility of upstreaming the Towery updater and bundler to make it available to other projects |
• Reframing the approach to focus on collaboration and cooperation rather than competition |
• Discussion of a potential web browser and its requirements, including updates, distribution, and platform support |
• The accidental creation of a platform capable of supporting a browser |
• Collaboration with the Servo project to leverage their web view and provide a unified browser experience |
• The need for a browser to be privacy-respecting and securely designed |
• Discussion of the challenges and requirements for building a web browser, including funding, engineering, and project management |
• The potential benefits of building a web browser, including a unified and consistent experience across platforms |
• The importance of a browser being privacy-centric and secure by design |
• Criticism of the current state of web browsers and the dominance of ad companies |
• The need for a browser that treats users as individuals, not data points |
• The desire to create a browser without ads and with robust security features |
• Comparison of Towery and Electron, with Towery being seen as a more secure and privacy-focused alternative |
• The discussion of what makes a browser a browser, including features like signing, delivery, and distribution |
• Electron brings a unified web interface to major desktop platforms, with the same interface on Windows, Linux, and other platforms. |
• Electron includes an isomorphic runtime of Node.js, allowing developers to use JavaScript on both front-end and back-end. |
• Electron has a large community and extensive documentation, making it easier for developers to learn and use. |
• Tauri's advantages include smaller application sizes due to shipping only necessary parts, reducing the runtime size to around 400-600 KB. |
• Tauri has a faster startup time due to fewer system calls and less memory pressure. |
• Tauri's integration with third languages, such as C++, Rust, and Python, allows for more flexibility and entry points into the system. |
• Tauri's bundler and updater are designed to be more broadly available to the ecosystem, supporting a larger community of developers. |
• Designing a file explorer and widget system for Tauri |
• Interacting with Tauri through various methods (menus, taskbar, drop-downs) |
• Tauri's low-level libraries (tau, web view, etc.) |
• Web view options (wk web view, web view 2, webkit gtk) |
• Additional window types (immediate mode gl, web gpu) |
• Future development directions (servo, cef, chromium embedded framework) |
• Building front-end UI with low-level tools |
• Productizing UI components for cross-platform use |
• Market size and timing for product release |
• Tauri is nearing the beta phase, with a beta release expected soon |
• Tauri 2.0 will be audited by two companies, Radically Open Security and Crab Nebula |
• The audit will be followed by a release candidate (RC0) and community feedback period |
• Tauri 2.0 will include mobile support and is expected to be released soon, but no specific timeline is given |
• A new, open-source, privacy-focused web browser is being discussed, but no further details are provided |
[0.00 --> 15.68] what's up welcome back this week on the change law we're joined by daniel thompson |
[15.68 --> 20.96] co-founder and core member of tauri it's been a year since we had daniel on the show |
[20.96 --> 26.68] he catches us up on all things tauri their continued efforts towards tauri 1.5 which just |
[26.68 --> 32.62] released the launch of crab nebula and other people pushing the tower ecosystem forward |
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[132.66 --> 162.48] all right we're here with daniel thompson from towery |
[162.48 --> 167.62] back after about a year and a half we had you on the podcast welcome back daniel thanks it's really |
[167.62 --> 172.98] really great to see you guys again one of the main comments we got was how amazing your voice is |
[172.98 --> 180.24] i was kind of jealous yeah people were jelly of your voice yeah well you know i think that um |
[180.24 --> 185.78] i've gotten older so it's more raspy now you know i sound like my grandpa all of a sudden |
[185.78 --> 191.74] fast forward a year goes by and i'm 10 years older yeah it's been one of those years or what |
[191.74 --> 200.44] it's been a non-stop year yeah i mean we met i think last uh last summer yeah after the 1.0 was |
[200.44 --> 207.26] released talked about the plans for the future and and i mean i did review the show and i think we're |
[207.26 --> 215.32] pretty spot on you know this uh this this coming soon is going to be the release of the 2.0 which |
[215.32 --> 223.84] has uh mobile and embedded into it android and ios i found out that uh towery ios on the android makes a |
[223.84 --> 232.52] 8.5 megabyte binary so competitive with react native and ios is a little bigger but you know i think that |
[232.52 --> 239.18] early adopters also have a lot to learn about how to get things really small and tiny and i guess |
[239.18 --> 244.74] it's one of the things that we see on twitter a lot people are like yeah my first towery app it's 14 |
[244.74 --> 251.24] megabytes and i'm like did you minify did you put in those uh the special cargo flags for the release |
[251.24 --> 257.14] and they're like oh no and then they come back now it's only eight megabytes so i think we've still |
[257.14 --> 262.22] we've held true to that excellent to hear well for those who didn't listen the first time around |
[262.22 --> 268.82] that episode is called build tiny multi-platform apps with towery and webtech i remember we had a |
[268.82 --> 275.04] hard time naming that episode yeah we did because towery is a little bit it's not hard to explain but |
[275.04 --> 278.98] it's hard to like put into three words which is we'd like to be in the three to five word range |
[278.98 --> 286.22] so daniel for those who heard that but haven't heard much else of towery give the quick explainer so |
[286.22 --> 291.26] we're all on the same page well i mean first and foremost towery is a community of developers |
[291.26 --> 295.42] building stuff for developers and the stuff we like to build for developers are tools to |
[295.42 --> 301.94] help make apps we started out with desktop and now we're working toward mobile apps and you can |
[301.94 --> 307.30] bring any front-end framework you want in a lot of ways it's similar to electron and capacitor |
[307.30 --> 315.30] but we put a lot of special focus on the security of the framework as well as the ultimate bundle |
[315.30 --> 321.40] size we want things to be small and performant and not consume a lot of resources so that's how we |
[321.40 --> 327.32] how we started it and that's how things have been going so you have a lot of sponsors which is awesome |
[327.32 --> 333.96] i assume we talked to you after right after 1.0 and usually 1.0 is a time where people decide okay |
[333.96 --> 340.14] i can finally take this thing seriously and it's usually a boon for adoption have you had a lot of |
[340.14 --> 346.42] folks building stuff with towery since the release yeah i just recommend looking over at the um |
[346.42 --> 352.66] awesome towery repo at our github organization and it's kind of like endless scrolling lots of dev tools |
[352.66 --> 363.78] lots of games actually things are being built for communication and the rate at which i measure |
[363.78 --> 370.70] adoption though has has changed a little bit over the past year um there's some reasons for that but |
[370.70 --> 377.68] mostly we're seeing people come in with really innovative questions things that go outside of our |
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