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[3648.02 --> 3648.82] Is there plugins for that? |
[3649.08 --> 3649.46] Oh, yeah. |
[3649.50 --> 3650.42] There's plugins for everything. |
[3650.74 --> 3650.90] For sure, right? |
[3650.90 --> 3651.06] Yeah. |
[3651.16 --> 3652.18] Plugging into SSO. |
[3652.32 --> 3655.98] If you want different functionality and features, you click buttons for that, that kind of stuff. |
[3656.50 --> 3656.82] Gotcha. |
[3657.38 --> 3658.48] Are you still in the Drupal community? |
[3658.66 --> 3660.28] Like, what's your state? |
[3660.50 --> 3660.78] Yeah. |
[3661.04 --> 3661.32] So... |
[3661.32 --> 3662.00] It's been a while since we talked to you. |
[3662.00 --> 3662.82] It has been a while since. |
[3662.88 --> 3663.28] I know. |
[3663.40 --> 3663.44] Yeah. |
[3663.58 --> 3665.28] 2018, the last time Angie's been on the show. |
[3665.40 --> 3665.90] So it's been... |
[3665.90 --> 3666.26] Five years. |
[3666.32 --> 3667.38] ...essentially a lifetime ago. |
[3667.70 --> 3667.82] Essentially. |
[3667.96 --> 3668.08] Yeah. |
[3668.14 --> 3668.86] In tech especially. |
[3669.02 --> 3670.62] It's like, that was like seven lifetimes ago. |
[3670.62 --> 3671.10] What's happened? |
[3671.16 --> 3671.82] Are you still involved? |
[3671.94 --> 3672.76] What's your state? |
[3672.76 --> 3672.78] Yeah. |
[3672.78 --> 3672.94] Yeah. |
[3673.14 --> 3680.82] So I ended up departing Acquia in 2021 or so because I kind of had gotten to the point |
[3680.82 --> 3682.80] where it's like, okay, I kind of saw Drupal through. |
[3682.92 --> 3687.28] It's like, you know, it's a toddler banging itself on the furniture kind of stages and up |
[3687.28 --> 3690.74] until now it's an adult with a stable apartment and all this kind of stuff. |
[3690.96 --> 3690.98] Right. |
[3690.98 --> 3691.76] Paying their bills. |
[3691.76 --> 3692.06] Yeah. |
[3692.18 --> 3694.56] You know, the releases are coming out on time. |
[3694.70 --> 3697.36] We're not having security vulnerabilities, like these kinds of things. |
[3697.36 --> 3701.28] So it kind of felt like, okay, I beat this level of my career kind of thing. |
[3701.32 --> 3701.48] Yeah. |
[3701.76 --> 3703.44] And then I started getting into data platforms. |
[3703.66 --> 3708.76] So I went into MongoDB and now I'm at Ivan, which is a startup around open source data stuff. |
[3708.82 --> 3713.10] So they run Kafka, Postgres, MySQL, Cassandra, a bunch of other things. |
[3713.28 --> 3713.38] Yeah. |
[3713.56 --> 3713.80] Wow. |
[3714.82 --> 3715.02] Yeah. |
[3715.14 --> 3717.54] So I would say like I'm less involved in the day-to-day of Drupal. |
[3717.54 --> 3720.22] Like I used to know literally everything that was going on. |
[3720.28 --> 3721.34] I was on top of every issue. |
[3721.48 --> 3723.52] I was on top of every new contributor, that kind of stuff. |
[3723.52 --> 3727.32] But what I do get pulled in for Drupal now is like the kind of big strategic decisions, you know, |
[3727.42 --> 3730.14] like Drupal 7 end of life or, you know, |
[3730.20 --> 3733.84] things like if the Dries node is going to create a different strategic direction, |
[3733.96 --> 3737.76] they'll call me in to talk about that or core maintainership stuff, that sort of stuff. |
[3737.88 --> 3742.62] So it's kind of nice because I get to still be knowledgeable and involved of the big decisions in Drupal, |
[3742.70 --> 3746.16] but I don't have to like bike shed what color buttons are anymore, which is kind of nice. |
[3746.72 --> 3750.60] Well, I have to say that I really, really enjoyed the episode we did with you way back when. |
[3750.66 --> 3751.48] Yeah, that was fun. |
[3751.48 --> 3752.72] Episode 321, if you're listening to this. |
[3752.72 --> 3754.76] Back in October of 2018. |
[3754.76 --> 3755.52] That's a great number. |
[3755.68 --> 3756.04] 321. |
[3756.30 --> 3759.02] I just love the energy you brought to that community. |
[3759.20 --> 3761.84] Like Jared and I are very much departed from Drupal. |
[3761.94 --> 3763.08] We're not involved really at all. |
[3763.24 --> 3770.04] And I feel like you gave us the best 30,000 foot, maybe 12,000 foot view of that world. |
[3770.40 --> 3771.32] And you just had so much passion. |
[3771.62 --> 3772.16] You really just did. |
[3772.26 --> 3773.54] I mean, you represented Drupal very well. |
[3773.78 --> 3774.50] And I still do. |
[3774.58 --> 3776.50] I love Drupal, you know, and I love that community. |
[3776.96 --> 3781.94] The software is really interesting, especially for kind of like those big projects that have a lot of different moving parts. |
[3781.94 --> 3785.96] Or I used to say Drupal is great if your client has no idea what they want. |
[3786.12 --> 3788.86] Because it can do all of the different things that you need it to do, you know. |
[3788.86 --> 3790.86] But again, it's not such a good platform. |
[3791.00 --> 3796.60] If you know exactly what you need as a blog or what you need as a shopping cart or something like that, there are other platforms that are good. |
[3796.60 --> 3802.12] So we're here as part of Maintainer Month along with GitHub and celebrating this community and open source maintainers. |
[3802.26 --> 3804.06] So it's been a bit since we caught up. |
[3804.14 --> 3805.48] So what's your maintainer story now? |
[3805.56 --> 3808.58] Like if you were giving a fresh view of your maintainer story, what is it? |
[3808.72 --> 3815.22] I think my maintainer story has moved to the point where I'm trying to sort of empower more people. |
[3815.22 --> 3825.74] So if you think about building out a leadership bench of your maintainership so that you're not solely dependent on individual contributors that have been with the project for a long time and have a lot of historical knowledge. |
[3825.98 --> 3833.02] But really clearing the way so that folks newer to the project or have new interesting ideas can come in and can take a leadership role in the project. |
[3833.12 --> 3840.86] So I'd say that's more the point where I'm at is sort of shepherding in new leaders, providing some mentorship to some of the incoming product managers for Drupal, that kind of thing. |
[3840.86 --> 3842.90] So what's involved in that? |
[3843.02 --> 3844.20] Like is there documentation involved? |
[3844.28 --> 3845.24] Are you writing syllabuses? |
[3845.66 --> 3846.74] Gosh, I should. |
[3846.92 --> 3849.38] How are you educating and on-ramping this leadership? |
[3849.76 --> 3856.80] It seems like just proving ground for documentation to some degree because you can document the process and usher them in. |
[3856.80 --> 3861.68] I mean, when we set up the governance structure originally, because originally it was me and Dries. |
[3861.80 --> 3866.40] We were the two maintainers for Drupal 7, and that was not going to scale as we built out. |
[3866.40 --> 3877.16] So we started by creating like a core governance where we, you know, had kind of different types of committers that would focus in different areas, product managers, framework managers, this kind of thing, release managers. |
[3878.10 --> 3881.02] And so that stuff, the distinction between those is documented. |
[3881.18 --> 3883.92] And that way you don't have to be someone that can cut across all of those areas. |
[3883.98 --> 3885.82] You can sort of focus on one area or another. |
[3886.56 --> 3892.24] So what my involvement has been is a lot more ad hoc, just kind of like having one-off conversations with people. |
[3892.24 --> 3892.74] But you're right. |
[3892.82 --> 3897.96] I should start documenting some of this stuff because, yeah, it's good information for people to know. |
[3897.96 --> 3899.00] You probably repeat yourself a lot. |
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