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[3899.56 --> 3900.52] Well, I don't know.
[3900.62 --> 3901.86] I enjoy repeating myself a lot.
[3901.86 --> 3904.58] Positively, I mean that in the most best case possible.
[3904.78 --> 3904.94] Yeah.
[3905.06 --> 3906.76] So I find that I repeat myself a lot too.
[3906.94 --> 3914.84] And I've learned that I have limited bandwidth and I have to begin to jot down and put down things that I do, particularly for our organization.
[3914.84 --> 3921.68] And I've been executing on that and getting that positive feedback loop from that effort too.
[3922.00 --> 3923.58] So maybe you repeat yourself a lot.
[3923.68 --> 3925.96] So maybe it's time to document the process.
[3925.96 --> 3926.26] Do some thought leadership.
[3927.02 --> 3927.54] Well, you know.
[3927.54 --> 3927.70] Yeah.
[3927.82 --> 3928.50] But no, you're right.
[3928.58 --> 3928.88] You're right.
[3928.96 --> 3929.46] It is true.
[3929.64 --> 3934.94] Because otherwise the stuff that you're imparting kind of stays within that one conversation when it could be out there for benefit of everybody.
[3934.94 --> 3936.50] But talking is so much more fun than writing.
[3936.64 --> 3937.30] It really is.
[3937.44 --> 3937.88] It is.
[3938.04 --> 3938.16] Yeah.
[3938.28 --> 3939.54] I like writing too, honestly.
[3939.74 --> 3940.14] But yeah.
[3940.38 --> 3941.42] I just never shut up.
[3941.48 --> 3942.92] So it'll be like 4,000 words.
[3943.00 --> 3943.72] It could have been in 20.
[3943.72 --> 3946.04] You could transcribe yourself, which is what we do.
[3946.18 --> 3946.96] Oh, interesting.
[3947.04 --> 3947.38] For our shows.
[3947.46 --> 3947.72] Yeah.
[3948.10 --> 3949.50] This is being transcribed right now.
[3949.72 --> 3949.96] Okay.
[3950.06 --> 3950.58] Not right now.
[3950.58 --> 3951.28] Better watch.
[3951.28 --> 3952.12] Literally right now.
[3952.34 --> 3952.48] Eventually.
[3952.98 --> 3954.10] And this is on the record.
[3954.36 --> 3956.48] There is a buffer between now and the transcribed.
[3956.58 --> 3956.80] Okay.
[3956.84 --> 3957.18] Right on.
[3957.52 --> 3962.64] And then you could give it to your favorite language model and say, turn this into documentation.
[3963.14 --> 3963.78] That's cool.
[3964.10 --> 3964.38] All right.
[3964.38 --> 3964.86] I'm going to think.
[3964.94 --> 3965.40] There's an idea.
[3965.54 --> 3965.68] Yeah.
[3965.78 --> 3966.70] Here's a question for you.
[3966.80 --> 3969.48] So going back to 21, you said you felt like you beat that level.
[3969.74 --> 3971.40] You're ready for your next adventure.
[3971.40 --> 3975.26] How do you decide what's next?
[3975.34 --> 3976.70] Like, how did you decide what's next?
[3976.76 --> 3979.32] How did you pick this area of work?
[3979.40 --> 3980.10] And what drew you here?
[3980.66 --> 3985.70] Well, so Drupal had this amazing community, but largely consisted of web developers.
[3986.08 --> 3988.38] Web developers who could stand PHP specifically.
[3988.62 --> 3989.78] So that's like a pretty small.
[3989.78 --> 3989.94] Right.
[3989.94 --> 3990.92] It's a niche inside a niche.
[3990.98 --> 3992.50] It's a little bit of a niche inside of a niche.
[3992.50 --> 3992.60] Yeah.
[3992.60 --> 3992.94] Exactly.
[3993.40 --> 3998.82] So what appeals to me about data platforms is that any kind of developer can use them
[3998.82 --> 3999.98] in any kind of language.
[4000.58 --> 4000.72] Right?
[4000.72 --> 4000.82] Right.
[4000.82 --> 4004.66] So you can be, you know, I have C++ developers doing embedded systems.
[4004.78 --> 4006.62] You can have folks doing AI and ML.
[4006.80 --> 4007.94] You can have web developers.
[4008.20 --> 4008.46] Sure.
[4008.62 --> 4008.84] Right?
[4008.92 --> 4009.92] And all these kinds of things.
[4009.92 --> 4014.14] And what interests me from a community management perspective, because that's kind of my deal.
[4014.30 --> 4015.36] I'm director of community.
[4015.70 --> 4021.84] I love getting people together and just like making awesome things happen, is cracking
[4021.84 --> 4022.72] that code.
[4022.82 --> 4023.40] Do you know what I mean?
[4023.40 --> 4025.30] Around those different language frameworks.
[4025.54 --> 4029.40] How do you, what's the Venn diagram of things that these people have in common?
[4029.58 --> 4029.84] Right.
[4029.96 --> 4031.04] Where is the common thread?
[4031.28 --> 4032.02] Yeah, exactly.
[4032.46 --> 4032.74] Okay.
[4032.74 --> 4036.84] And Ivan is really interesting because it's the common thread among many open source projects.
[4037.34 --> 4040.74] A MySQL developer and a Postgres developer don't necessarily have a lot in common.
[4041.08 --> 4043.60] Like they won't go to the same user groups necessarily.
[4043.80 --> 4044.00] Right.
[4044.10 --> 4047.38] But if you pull it up a level to open source data infrastructure, now all of a sudden we
[4047.38 --> 4048.26] do have a lot in common.
[4048.66 --> 4052.66] So it's been a really interesting thing to kind of get involved in all these different communities,
[4052.66 --> 4057.08] see how they each do governance and how they do different approaches to, you know,
[4057.14 --> 4058.88] kind of the common things that maintainers deal with.
[4058.94 --> 4061.36] How do you triage incoming stuff without overwhelming people?
[4061.36 --> 4065.40] How do you make sure you're keeping the platform stable, but also adding innovation?
[4065.78 --> 4069.52] And, you know, seeing that as a bird's eye view across many different open source projects
[4069.52 --> 4070.50] is really fascinating.
[4071.36 --> 4073.70] How did that opportunity present itself?
[4074.96 --> 4081.14] Well, the MongoDB opportunity presented itself because I know a guy named Jono Bacon, who is
[4081.14 --> 4082.78] big in the community leadership space.
[4083.00 --> 4083.18] Yeah.
[4083.54 --> 4083.98] He's great.
[4084.30 --> 4084.74] We know Jono.