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**Justin Garrison:** Man, I can't even... There's so many cool things that we -- people we talked to and topics we got to... Gina from the Octoprint project... I was super-surprised. |
**Autumn Nash:** How does she maintain all that by herself? |
**Justin Garrison:** And how much of that was automated? And it was so cool seeing the tools... |
**Autumn Nash:** But she did all of those iterations. And like, she does that release by herself. And do you know how hard it is to release things? Oh, my goodness. Oh, and Veronica... Veronica is badass. I don't know if you can say that on like a podcast, but like, she just -- releasing Kubernetes and being on that wh... |
\[34:08\] Oh, Lily! Lily? Amazing. Me and Lily are besties. And did you know she does art, and she does like all of the amazing platform engineering? She's brilliant, dude. Brilliant. Like, brilliant on multiple levels. When she was on the show, I thought she was cool. And then I got to know her, and I was like "How ca... |
**Justin Garrison:** And that's one of the -- I'm very excited about just continuing on and expanding that a little bit, right? Anita from Meta, right? The millions of servers, talking about their -- like, they built this whole platform from scratch... I'm like, that is such a cool use case. But then also, there's a lo... |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes... Because sometimes they're just hard problems, and they just suck, because they're just hard and they're not fun. When you have an interesting problem that gets your focus, it is my favorite. They're delicious. |
**Justin Garrison:** When you're like "Okay, you have to do this, but you have no internet access." And you're like "Oh. Well, now what?" |
**Autumn Nash:** And you're like "Wait. Hmm..." Also, Anita is a boss. Like, I am like already gonna like show up to her Scale talk next year... And it's like, I'm waiting four months just to see her talk, because the stuff that she talks about, you're just like -- like, your brain hurts a little bit, because it's so f... |
**Justin Garrison:** You just want the \[unintelligible 00:35:44.19\] inside the hood? |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes, they're so cool. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, it's gonna be great. |
**Autumn Nash:** Also, half of our guest on our shows are gonna be at Scales, too. I feel like we need another Scale episode, because it's gonna be the, like, Ship It, Kubernetes, Linux, tech-ridiculous personality convention of people, because like everybody's going to Scale this year. I just looked and I was like "Be... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, I am very excited for Scale next year. If you haven't signed up yet, I think that tickets are available now. |
**Autumn Nash:** Y'all better get on it, because those are some cheap tickets... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. March in Pasadena. If you're a student, they're 50% off. Yeah, they're working on the schedule right now. I think by the time this episode comes out, there might be a little more out there, but... Yeah, it's gonna be a good one. I know I'm traveling to a couple of places, but again, come over... |
**Autumn Nash:** I really hope we do though, because I feel like -- when I started in tech, I was a military spouse and I had really young kids. And learning to build hackathons around how to making them accessible to other people... Like, our first hackathon -- we did some virtually, and had like a kind of code-along.... |
\[38:09\] I can't imagine going to half the conferences that you go to, and you've been in tech longer than me, and you go to places I don't go. And I'm always super-excited to hear where you're going next. And I think it's like sharing that experience until people get to the level where they're able to. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And I think that a generation of people in tech now are new to tech in the last five to maybe 10 years... They missed out on meetups, and on just the things that I remember doing in the early 2000s where it's like "Oh, they have some free pizza, and someone's gonna talk about some technology,... |
**Autumn Nash:** There's one in Seattle, but also, if we truly want to make tech accessible to disabled people, moms, single parents... We have kids now. When you first probably went to meetups, you probably didn't have as many responsibilities. |
**Justin Garrison:** Nope. |
**Autumn Nash:** You know what I mean? So making it truly accessible to people that may be in their second career, or are looking to pivot - it makes it like where you can download something, or meet somebody online... Which in a way is kind of full circle, because people were at one point meeting each other in chat ro... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** So it's like creating new ways to make tech accessible in this new kind of, I guess, era. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And we don't have plans to do like a Slack channel, or a Zulip, or anything like that, for -- |
**Autumn Nash:** I don't think we need it. Blue Sky, everybody knows we're there. We're on Blue Sky. Where else are we? I'm on Instagram... |
**Justin Garrison:** I think it's hard to have a conversation on Blue Sky. Like, that is definitely -- I mean, you don't really have it in Slack necessarily either. |
**Autumn Nash:** Say that to the \[unintelligible 00:40:12.17\] threads, okay? Like, people will find a way. Like, there are bean filters on there, okay? Like, we can figure it out. Also, I've had whole conversations about the most random things, like Hozier albums, and children, and craziness. 3D printing... |
**Justin Garrison:** I don't necessarily want to have another login, for another place... I'm so burnt out on all of these tiny communities. I have a couple dozen Discords that I never check. |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh yeah, I never check my Discords. But I also think this goes back to finding like the public... I don't know, it's not a meetup, but it's an accessible way. Like, what if you're new in tech, and you might not get to meet, I don't know, some of the cool people that we meet on here? You know what I mea... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. Twitter was that place that felt magical, that you could reach out to anyone and you could see two celebrities talking. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes. |
**Justin Garrison:** And you're just like "Oh. What?" |
**Autumn Nash:** But not just that, but it was like a way to trick my very neurospicy brain into learning, but learning in a social manner. I learned so much about infrastructure, and coding, and technology, just because I was watching two really smart people have a conversation. It is like watching two engineers at wo... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[42:07\] And at the same time, hopefully owning and being responsible for some of that infrastructure, and -- like, the responsibility of like you can use Blue Sky, but also you can own your piece of it. I'm still running a PDS at home, I'm planning on moving my main account over the holiday break... |
I actually just saw a podcast interview with -- what's his name? The person who started Black Sky. The Black Sky labeler, on Blue Sky, that -- I want to have them on the show. I was like, that's great, because I love seeing how you can run public software and infrastructure -- start as a hobby, as a public good, for a ... |
**Autumn Nash:** I also think this is like -- remember how we were talking about how a lot of the wonderful people that we met got jobs through... I think - was his name, David? The one that was like working at Radio Shack. Or how Rich was doing like his own server stuff and ended up getting a job. And then it kind of ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, I constantly -- everyone comes up to me like "How do I get in the industry? I can't get experience and I can't put it on my resume." I'm like "Do you know how many open source projects run infrastructure, and how many communities run infrastructure, that you can get experience - you don't get... |
**Autumn Nash:** But this is also where you don't have to deal with the judgy, gatekeeping people of some open source projects, because you're running your own social media, you know? So it's also something to say "Hey, I did this. Now can I contribute to open source project?" Or just however, but there are new ways. |
Some people in tech are very introverted. Maybe they don't want to have to go and like talk to humans on their first project. This can give them that confidence, and then go approach someone in open source. But I think it's just a great learning opportunity, and it gives you that dopamine hit of it being something cool... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. I know a lot of people that got experience just doing home labs. And I feel like being able to homelab some social media is kind of the next stage for a lot of people. |
**Autumn Nash:** It is, right? |
**Justin Garrison:** Like "Oh, I can do this at my house with an old laptop, and then I can show people I did it. I could show people, and they actually use it and consume it and say "Oh, this is something that is available a lot of times." And even when you have outages, how do you communicate that? Because those are ... |
**Autumn Nash:** It's also a buy-in to learn those skills. How many people just stumbled on something because they thought something else was cool and they had to learn some skills to do that, you know? |
**Justin Garrison:** So Autumn started... As the very end of the show. Autumn started -- you started your new job at Microsoft... And so I've sent her a... |
**Autumn Nash:** \[45:55\] Also, Justin is like the sweetest friend. He really is. I know we do a podcast together, but he's like my bestie that I harass all the time, and then he sends me like a bunch of homework... He is the sweetest, kindest friend. |
**Justin Garrison:** And I'm so glad that -- we never knew each other before this podcast. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes, we did. We were \[unintelligible 00:46:10.00\] |
**Justin Garrison:** We were in a Slack channel, both of us... |
**Autumn Nash:** He also forgets knowing you half the time. No, just joking. |
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