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**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. The time, I don't have the skill, and it's just not something that I'm going to do. |
**Autumn Nash:** You have to know yourself, okay? And we know ourselves... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. |
**Autumn Nash:** It'll be the most neurospicy, halfway done... |
**Justin Garrison:** Like, at some point, 40 minutes in, you're just kind of like -- the rest of it is just all staticky, and... What? What happened? We're like "Well..." |
**Autumn Nash:** Half a website... The website will be Justin's broken arm picture. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. So we want to make this sustainable. So if you haven't already subscribed to Fork Around and Find Out, fafo.fm is the website. If you don't want the acronym, we have ForkAroundandFindOut.fm. You can go there, too. They go to the same place. |
**Autumn Nash:** I love the name so much. I was really worried about picking a name, because to me, picking names is so hard. You should have seen me trying to name my children. Okay? I had a whole moment... It's such a serious endeavor... |
**Justin Garrison:** Like "This is so permanent." |
**Autumn Nash:** Yes...! It's like our podcast baby, you know? We have to get it right. And I was like "What explains the pure, ridiculous, chaotic, but nerdy, and informative...?" And I feel like this is perfect. Like, it just matches us, and like the dad jokes and shade, and the like ridiculousness that I bring... Yo... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[08:15\] Just a little bit. Yeah. So naming things is not hard. Naming things that are identifiable and mean the same thing to a lot of people is extremely difficult... Especially things that like we need to find websites and social media handles and what wasn't taken. |
**Autumn Nash:** Well, not just that, but like trying to find something that relates to SRE, DevOps, but still engineering... I think it was -- I don't know; you would think that there's a lot of related names over platform engineering, SRE, DevOps, and a bunch of other things, but to just be like identifiable, but als... |
**Justin Garrison:** And the language in industry changes so much... Like, the software developer is like basically the same thing, has been for a long time... But I remember one of the title options was The Sysadmin Show. And you're like "What the hell is this? Why would we call it The Sysadmin Show?" I'm like "Well, ... |
**Autumn Nash:** It doesn't. It's weird, because I think in just the way infrastructure and things have been on such a weird -- in the like time I've worked in tech, which is not as long as you, it's been... You know, you were doing sysadmin stuff, but then when I first started, SRE, DevOps, platform engineer... There'... |
It's like when you have a data scientist, a business intelligence engineer, and an applied scientist... You know what I mean? There's so many different factions that they break down a lot of these jobs, you know? So it's like trying to find something... And, I mean, sometimes being a software development engineer or a ... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And for Fork Around and Find Out, we want to cover all of those things. And it was hard, because it's just like, this isn't the SRE show. This isn't the cloud show. This isn't a database show. It's managing and running anything, software in general. |
**Autumn Nash:** And just finding our audience, too. Like, we do want to stay very close to what we did at Ship It, but also expand, which is like hard to make sure you're still hitting a certain audience. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. One of the things I really enjoyed that I learned through doing Ship It was like trying to boil down how we wanted to start conversations. It was what is it that we want to bring someone into that we think you do interesting things, or you have an interesting experience or space that you work... |
I think for Fork Around and Find Out we're going to do a similar thing. We're going to kind of start in that same vein, of what is it like to run, maintain software? But also, we can have a little more flexibility on not just the git push side of things. The things outside of git, the things outside of code... Because ... |
**Autumn Nash:** And the more that AI is forced into all these things, the processes and the business, and having the understanding of all that, and still how to maintain software is going to become more and more important. |
Also, I think something that, if you feel like you've learned it, but I feel like the people are such an interesting -- I don't know if it's a side effect or whatever, but like, it's some of the most interesting people that do these types of jobs. And it matters a lot to the actual technical parts. |
\[12:08\] And I think it's really cool that we've been able to marry cool people, but also very technical. There were some shows that I was almost worried that we got too technical or in the weeds, and people still were really receptive, so that makes me really happy. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, for sure. And actually, that's what we want to talk about today. We don't have a guest for today, we don't actually have news or a game... We wanted to do a little bit of a retro on Ship It for the last year... Because this is not only the last episode of the year, it's the last episode for w... |
**Autumn Nash:** I think one of my favorites will always be the space episode, just because I love space. And that is such an amazing use case to be able to work in the requirements that space requires. You can't update it all the time. You have to know that you can do that stuff remotely. You have to pick an LTS, and ... |
**Justin Garrison:** That one, I loved it because the fact that it was a completely different foreign environment for anyone that doesn't deal with that, but also, it's just a server that's falling around the Earth. Like, there's nothing special about that. |
**Autumn Nash:** But it's wild. It's just floating out there, you know? |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And it's just Ubuntu, right? It's just like "Oh, well, yeah, we SSH in." I'm like "Wait, what? Hold on... How long can you stay on?" It was like "Oh, I forget how long it was... But it was like every hour or something you get like a four-minute window to like debug something." I'm like "That'... |
**Autumn Nash:** See, I think in tech, we solve hard problems, but sometimes they're just hard and they're not fun, you know? That is a hard problem, that has very strict requirements and constraints, but it's so interesting that it would make to me like my very neurospicy brain so down to solve those problems, because... |
I will say, my other favorite episodes were our retro episodes. |
**Justin Garrison:** That was what I was thinking for my favorite kind of topics, was just looking back on things that aren't even that old, right? Like, some of them we had in the nineties. We were talking about like WebMD; it was like late nineties, early two thousands... But like Mandy was early two thousands, and..... |
**Autumn Nash:** But it was so different, though. Just the fact that they were thinking of the context of what they thought WebMD was, the inverse... And that was right when \[unintelligible 00:15:07.03\] video, and you're just like "Bro, they have fallen." And like Yahoo... Think about how big Yahoo was. Yahoo was the... |
I feel like a lot of times in history, just in general -- they say you need to know history to be able to make a good future. And that is so true in tech, because it's really hard to make things that are sustainable, and not just cool for a minute, you know? And even when things get really big and they are monsters, an... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[15:52\] Yeah. And some of that also gives me hope for what the future will look, where when we see the centralization of a lot of these things, the downfall of Twitter, and spinning out into new things, I'm like "Hey people can own some of this again." This doesn't mean -- like, just because Twit... |
**Autumn Nash:** Which is odd, because stuff like that used to give me -- I won't say anxiety, but a little bit of... You know, you are betting on whatever company you work on as much as they're betting on you, you know? And it used to freak me out the way that tech would go through these cycles. But now it's like -- y... |
So we're kind of in this place where the first kind of boom was during like just "Oh, this is new, and now we want to use it more", but people weren't really using tech the same way that we are, in like 2008. Now it's in everything, and it's kind of in our face that we have to change, while having this in everything, a... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And it's just the notion of -- in the early 2000s you went to the internet, right? You weren't always connected. And then iPhone and smartphones kind of changed all that, where if you want to clear your mind or do something, you have to like put your phone away, and like "I have to no longer ... |
**Autumn Nash:** Everything. I think there was a bill the other day, and it was saying, in a state, how they needed to give people access to phones, and why you should help, bills for poor people to get phones, because everything requires having a phone now. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. And a phone number is, to some degree, the new email. I mean, I guess it always kind of was, but what you could do with that phone number. It's not just a "I'm going to call you." No one picks up the phone anymore. It's a "I have to be able to reach this website, fill out this form, text this... |
**Autumn Nash:** Think about it, if you have no home and no cell phone, how do you get mail? How do you get multi-factor authentication? You know what I mean? Like, even to fill out a lot of forms... We're trying to partner with the Recovery Cafe, because to fill out a lot of forms that do help people who are unhoused,... |
So I think the first time with tech -- like, when we talked to people for the retro shows, it was something cool that they kind of stumbled on. They enjoyed it, and then it became this thing. When we talk even with Pete, about like getting into early internet and all these things, and it was a very like niche of things... |
**Justin Garrison:** \[20:07\] What was a topic or a guest or a show that we did that surprised you? |
**Autumn Nash:** Wait, you didn't say what your favorite episode was. |
**Justin Garrison:** I was saying the retro ones were my favorites. |
**Autumn Nash:** Okay. What was your second one? |
**Justin Garrison:** I would love to get more unique retro experiences from people that were -- things like Pete doing ISP stuff early on, and even the -- like, the mainframe discussions we've had... All of those things... |
**Autumn Nash:** The Walmart one was really interesting, too. |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah, yeah. Like, the cycles keep repeating themselves. And if we just apply the pattern with the new technologies we have for next year, it's probably going to emerge in a similar way. |
**Autumn Nash:** Isn't that crazy? It's the same -- like, a different source of compute power, and... You know what I mean? It's like, they all keep repeating themselves. Okay, but what's your dream retro episode? |
**Justin Garrison:** My dream retro -- |
**Autumn Nash:** Mine would be a video game. Like, let's go talk to the people that created Atari, and whatever they had to do to -- you know? That would be so cool. Like, how is it different -- |
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