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**Autumn Nash:** And when you do that on a team, the more you are used to onboarding new people and being able to get people up to speed, you make your processes better. |
**Justin Garrison:** One of the last things I did at Disney Plus was I created a Scala Hello World... Because we were mostly a Scala application. And we wrote platforms. We wrote the whole platform for all these developers to deploy their applications. And it's like "Okay, here's my GitHub repo. Go deploy it with our t... |
**Autumn Nash:** And another thing that also -- it helps you to get better at estimating tasks for your entire team for grooming and planning... Because when -- |
**Justin Garrison:** Right. Prioritization. |
**Autumn Nash:** Exactly. Because if somebody who's been doing it for 20 years, and has been on this team for 56 million years, and they wrote all of the infrastructure automation and every tool that you've ever had, they're going to do something in a faster speed than everybody else. So if only that one person is scop... |
So I hope we remember the value that new people bring to this industry before we're out of luck. Yeah. Because it's like, dude, every time you take a gap in that cycle, you need juniors to become more senior, and more senior people to become -- because it keeps that field alive, and the amount of which we're cutting pe... |
**Justin Garrison:** I don't know where to go from here... I'll put the links in the show notes for what started this conversation, but... |
**Autumn Nash:** Let's go get ice cream. I need something to cheer me up. |
**Justin Garrison:** So thank you, everyone, for listening to the episode. If you have someone that you would like to come on the show or a topic you'd like us to cover, please email us, shipit \[at\] changelog.com. I have a couple of people that did email us and already reaching out; we're getting some of those things... |
I also really want to talk to people with the -- what we call the retro episodes. If you ran infrastructure in the late '90s or early 2000s, reach out. We have one coming up. I've been teasing right now. It's not gonna be for a little while, but it's about mainframes. I had never touched a mainframe. I want to learn mo... |
**Autumn Nash:** I have also never touched a mainframe. This is very exciting. |
**Justin Garrison:** I'm excited for it. So if you have some of those retro, or you yourself are interested in coming on and have done old technology that should have been retired a long time ago, please let us know. |
**Autumn Nash:** You said "Should have been retired a long time ago..." Do you have tech debt? |
**Justin Garrison:** Is that Bash script still running in prod? Reach out to us. |
**Autumn Nash:** Does anybody know what it does...? |
**Justin Garrison:** No docs! |
**Autumn Nash:** This is how you know we've gone through too much trauma. |
**Justin Garrison:** Alright, thank you, everyone. We'll talk to you again soon. |
• Autumn and Justin discuss their excitement for fall and spooky season |
• Justin shares his ongoing project of creating motion sensor decorations using LEDs |
• Autumn expresses her desire to get a 12-foot skeleton for Halloween and has been stalking Facebook groups for deals |
• Dave Eddy is introduced as a guest, who has a TikTok channel called "You Suck at Programming" |
• Justin and Autumn poke fun at the title and initial content of Dave's TikTok channel, implying that it would be off-putting to developers |
• Dave explains how he started creating content on TikTok after being encouraged by colleagues and initially focused on Bash programming features |
• Launching "You Suck at Programming" (YSAP) content on TikTok |
• Engagement hacking through controversy and offense |
• Bash scripting vs ZSH and other programming tools |
• Identity tied to specific tools or jobs |
• Hobbies and interests outside of programming (music, woodworking) |
• Branding and consistency across social media platforms |
• Dave Eddy discusses his approach to using Bash and when he chooses to switch to other languages |
• He explains how he likes to "commit to the bit" and go all-in on a project or topic |
• Justin Garrison shares his own rules for knowing when to move from Bash to another language, including thresholds of complexity and lines of code |
• Dave Eddy talks about how he learned Rust after feeling burnt out and unsure if he was still proficient in programming, but eventually came to enjoy it as his new favorite language |
• He discusses why he prefers Rust over Python for certain tasks |
• Different perspectives on Python and Rust, with a focus on scripting and compiled languages |
• Challenges of transitioning to new programming languages, including the Rust book's perceived difficulty |
• Trade-offs between Go and Rust, including ecosystem and tooling differences |
• Avoidance of containerization and Kubernetes in favor of lower-level approaches |
• Comments on the historical context of emerging technologies like Docker and Kubernetes |
• Docker and Linux containers |
• History and evolution of containerization (LXC, libcontainer) |
• Kubernetes and its abstraction layers |
• cgroups and namespaces in Linux |
• Comparison between LXC and Kubernetes |
• Illumos zones and FreeBSD jails as early forms of software virtualization |
• WebAssembly (Wasm) and its potential impact on the industry |
• Nash and Justin discuss their friend who is enthusiastic about sharing tech history and books |
• Justin explains that he reads white papers to summarize them for others |
• Autumn Nash shares an anecdote about her friend, who downloads information and talks about obscure topics |
• Dave Eddy discusses Void Linux, a systemd-less operating system with a simple service manager called Runit |
• The conversation turns to comparing Runit to other init systems, such as SysVinit and systemd |
• Justin expresses appreciation for systemd's features, while also criticizing its complexity |
• Dave explains the simplicity of Runit and its directory-based approach to managing services |
• Minimizing complexity and focusing on single-purpose services or systems |
• Benefits of stripping away unnecessary features for better performance and understanding |
• Importance of abstraction from hardware and software to achieve simplicity |
• Discussion of Linux distributions that are designed for specific tasks, such as Talos Linux and Bluefin |
• Analysis of how people approach software and technology, with some preferring complexity and others seeking simplicity |
• Sharing knowledge through documentation, man pages, and code examples rather than relying on others' expertise |
• Importance of going to the source (documentation or code) when trying to learn a new concept. |
• Importance of documentation in learning programming |
• Google search habits for beginners vs. experienced programmers |
• Benefits of understanding low-level languages such as Bash and C |
• Value of knowing the history and development of operating systems and software |
• Need to understand underlying systems and abstractions to appreciate complex technologies |
• Challenge of teaching beginners how to approach complex topics from a fundamental level |
• The guests discuss their experience with programming and Bash |
• Justin Garrison asks Dave Eddy about his expertise with embedded systems and FPGAs |
• The conversation turns to modding the original Xbox and other electronics projects |
• Discussion of coffee, with Justin Garrison stating he doesn't like the taste |
• Autumn Nash convinces Justin to try different coffee drinks and go on a coffee tasting adventure |
• The conversation shifts to food and drinking at conferences, with Autumn Nash sharing her love for eating free food and drink tickets |
• Introduction/appreciation for being on the call |
• No additional topics discussed |
**Justin Garrison:** Hello and welcome to Ship It, the podcast all about what happens after you git push. I'm your host, Justin Garrison, and with me as always is Autumn Nash. How's it going, Autumn? |
**Autumn Nash:** I'm so tired. |
**Justin Garrison:** But it's almost fall. And so fall is good for being tired, right? |
**Autumn Nash:** It's spooky season, and I can't wait to bust out all the sweaters, and yummy baked goods, and blankets, and just... I'm so excited. |
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