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**Justin Garrison:** You're doing that and I'm buying projects. I bought some LEDs to make some spooky decorations that I can make motion sensors and individually address them... |
**Autumn Nash:** This is why you need to just live next door, so I can hang out with Beth and so you can decorate my house. |
**Justin Garrison:** Okay... Well, it's a project I started last year, and I bought a bunch of stuff for and I didn't finish, and so I went a different route this year, and I'm going to try to finish it before decorations are due. |
**Autumn Nash:** I love your neuro-spicy ADHD. |
**Justin Garrison:** All the specialties. |
**Autumn Nash:** Oh, my God. Okay, I've had a skeleton in my frontyard since July... It's a gigantic skeleton. |
**Justin Garrison:** It's the giant Costco ones, right? |
**Autumn Nash:** It makes me so happy. No, it's the one that's coming out of the ground. I want a 15-footer. I'm stalking those Facebook groups, and like... Can a girl just get a 12-foot skeleton? Is it that hard? There was a meme the other day, and it was like waiting for a husband and wife to get divorced so a husban... |
**Justin Garrison:** Find a cheap secondhand. |
**Autumn Nash:** Yeah. I was like "That's so horrible." Also, I'd still buy it. That's not nice, people, but I would buy it though. |
**Justin Garrison:** Surprisingly, this isn't what we're here for today. We have Dave Eddy as a guest here. Dave, welcome to the show. |
**Dave Eddy:** Hey, how's it going? Thank you for having me. |
**Justin Garrison:** So we were talking a little bit in the pre-show about just how this started... And I've found you on TikTok, good old For You page somehow knew that I love Bash. Your video showed up, and you say, "Hi, I'm Dave, and You Suck at Programming." And I'm just going to be honest, that immediately stabbed... |
**Autumn Nash:** You're just out here hurting people's feelings. |
**Justin Garrison:** It was just a harsh start, and I'm like, "I don't want to watch this, because it's going to be that I do suck at, and I know I suck at." At first, I was like "This is going to be a JavaScript talk", because I'm terrible at JavaScript. But then I saw you, I saw your face. I'm like "You don't look li... |
**Dave Eddy:** \[laughs\] |
**Justin Garrison:** You've got the beard, you've got the long hair... This didn't look like the route I was going, so "I'm going to hear you out for another second." Once you dove into like "This is Bash..." I don't remember what it was. I forget what the first video I saw was, but it was something like exit codes, or... |
**Dave Eddy:** \[laughs\] Oh man, that's fantastic. That's the best thing I've ever heard. |
**Autumn Nash:** Wait, can we unpack the sentence you said there? First of all, every JavaScript developer ever is so offended right now... He said real programming. The gloves are off. We are - what, two minutes into this podcast? He's offending half the nation. |
**Dave Eddy:** It's so funny, because none of that registered to me. I was like "This all sounds fine. I'm following. Yup, keep going." |
**Justin Garrison:** "Story checks out." |
**Autumn Nash:** Also, I love that Justin was like "He's got a beard and a long hair. He can't be a JavaScript --" What do JavaScript developers look like? |
**Dave Eddy:** Well, listen, at my last job I did a lot of JavaScript, and my hair was very short. So there is some truth to that. |
**Autumn Nash:** \[08:06\] He's like "There's a correlation, y'all. There's a correlation." |
**Dave Eddy:** Absolutely. |
**Justin Garrison:** We've had Paul on the show. He was JavaScript, and he just -- you look... I don't want to say you look nicer, it's just, you look like your life hasn't fallen apart yet. |
**Autumn Nash:** \[unintelligible 00:08:16.21\] Are you saying this is what Bash does to you? Because I kind of want to co-sign that. I don't know... I don't have a beard, but I do have long -- I don't know. |
**Dave Eddy:** No, this is real though. I get comments all the time where people are like "No offense, but you look like you would know Bash." And I was like "Why'd you have to say "No offense"? That would have been a fine sentence without saying "No offense." Why'd you have to add that?" |
**Autumn Nash:** Why do people say "No offense" like that's going to make it better, whatever they're going to say...? |
**Justin Garrison:** "No offense, this is rough, okay?" |
**Autumn Nash:** It makes it so much worse. You're just like "But why?" |
**Dave Eddy:** Yeah. "I wouldn't have taken offense, but now that you've said it..." |
**Autumn Nash:** I question, like... |
**Justin Garrison:** And everything about You Suck at Programming, the thing you've been doing, immediately transferred to me when - I think it was like three or six months later, when you started talking about Rust. And I'm like "Oh wow, now the story really checks out. This is completely valid." But tell us, why did ... |
**Dave Eddy:** Sure, yeah, I can jump into it. I started around two years ago, actually, at this time. It was 2022 when I uploaded my first programming video. Before that, I was making music. I do piano music, guitar, stuff like that... And I had a TikTok, but it was just for fun. I was just uploading some music stuff,... |
And yeah, I wanted to get under people's skin just a little bit, where I was like "Let's talk about programming", and then open up right away with Bash scripting. So already I'm getting comments like "This isn't programming", and I'm like "Let's go. Keep commenting, guys..." This video has almost got a million views on... |
So yeah, that's how it started... It got really good reactions from people, and then I was like "You know what? I like talking about programming. I know this stuff. I might as well just share it and make this content." It's fun. So yeah, that's the story. That's the road. |
**Autumn Nash:** I loved that you used the Elon sauce, and was like "I'm going to offend you." |
**Justin Garrison:** It's just engagement. Engagement hacking. Any social media, especially for your page, AI-driven, sort of automated stuff... Like, if it's not a thumbnail, you have to get them another way... And an offense is a great way to get a hook, right? |
**Dave Eddy:** Oh, absolutely. |
**Autumn Nash:** I just think that it's funny that we know that now, and we've accepted it. |
**Dave Eddy:** Oh, yeah. |
**Justin Garrison:** I actually just really appreciate the double hook there of like "You Suck at Programming", but also "Let's dive into Bash." That, again, to me was just like "I'm here. Hold on a second. I want more of this." And your path really reminded me - I did an internal ZSH program or ZSH shell workshop at m... |
**Dave Eddy:** \[12:16\] That's so true. And I kind of want to point people to that, because I get questions all the time, "How does this differ from ZSH? Why didn't you choose ZSH?" And it's like, because I was using Bash before ZSH was like everywhere. I just don't know it. And then, of course, the comment's like "So... |
**Justin Garrison:** Yeah. "I love waffles." "Why do you hate pancakes?" It's not how this works. It's okay. |
**Dave Eddy:** I love that. It's so perfect. |
**Autumn Nash:** I think people really think that those are like the only options, and I'm like "It's really not that serious, guys. It's just, like, you've been doing one longer. That's it." |
**Dave Eddy:** 100%. I get this with text editors... People ask me what I use, I'm like "Oh, yeah, I code in Vim." And they're like "Oh, so you hate Emacs? Didn't you mention you hate Emacs?" I was like "I've never said that." I don't hate any editor. They're just tools. I use Makita instead of Milwaukee when it comes ... |
**Autumn Nash:** Some people's identities really are roped into it, though... |
**Dave Eddy:** 100%. Yup. |
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